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It Was the Worst Industrial Disaster In US History, and We Learned Nothing
superboj writes "Forget Deepwater Horizon or Three Mile Island: The biggest industrial disaster in American history actually happened in 2008, when more than a billion gallons of coal sludge ran through the small town of Kingston, Tennessee. This story details how, five years later, nothing has been done to stop it happening again, thanks to energy industry lobbying, federal inaction, and secrecy imposed on Congress. 'It estimated that 140,000 pounds of arsenic had spilled into the Emory River, as well as huge quantities of mercury, aluminum and selenium. In fact, the single spill in Kingston released more chromium, lead, manganese, and nickel into the environment than the entire U.S. power industry spilled in 2007. ... Kingston, though, is by far the worst coal ash disaster that the industry has ever seen: 5.4 million cubic yards of coal ash, containing at least 10 known toxins, were spilled. In fact, the event ... was even bigger than the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in April 2010, which spewed approximately 1 million cubic yards of oil into the Gulf of Mexico."
The worst industrial disaster in US history is an ongoing event and involves the release of massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning.
Just remember, every vote against nuclear is a vote FOR coal.
Oh yeah .. this year .. huge coal-ash spill at a retired Duke Energy coal plant
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Don't forget the Great Molasses Disaster(s) which release tons of toxic sulfur into the rivers. These are an on-going problem over the years and we have learned "Nothin".
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Oh, we've learned something. We've learned that this is something the government doesn't want to deal with. How much sludge does a company have to pour into a river before the government not only takes notice but does something about it?
It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
We had the huge recession, and the media was more interested in Obama's victory.
More importantly, the coal industry spent a lot of money and legal effort to prevent the media from getting photos.
I heard about it from the main stream media and remember being offended by how the industry was restricting coverage.
If you didn't, then perhaps you should accept responsibility for watching crappy media instead of blaming the media for being crappy.
That is, not all media is as incompetent as the ones you watch.
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Its a good reflection of Finance sector dealings and the "controversy" about global warming trumpeted by the media (it was a large component of the media's product-output at the time, needlessly fuelling a pattern of denial and argument for its own sake).
Their recent coal ash spill coated 70 MILES of the Dan River, but thanks to them buying off the legislature and a Governor who happened to have worked for Duke Energy, they may escape any liability for the cleanup, leaving it up to the taxpayers to foot the bill.
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Editors and publishers have learned the hard way that you don't fuck with the energy companies unless you have a battalion of lawyers at your disposal. You especially don't fuck with Big Coal in the middle of coal country.
As far as the Bush Madministration, the link is trivially easy to make. Shrub reduced inspections, regulations, reporting, safety rules and liability levels for the entire range of extractive industries. Obama's only blame is not restoring them.
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America should not just be pushing Alternative Energy, but should also push for Nukes and Coal to be converted to Methane( sell that overseas).
All of this should be via a TOTAL ENERGY POLICY.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
how when these "accidents" occur in the southern US, nothing really is ever done. If they happen in the NE or NW, it's do or die to render aid and cleanup. As someone who, unfortunately, lives in the south, I notice this. No one gave a hoot in hell about Katrina, no one really batted an eye with the BP oil spill and nothing is ever really done about the various other hurricanes, tornados.
When I get my financial situation more or less right, it's the NE for me again.
The worst industrial disaster in US history occurred in 1947 when a series of explosions killed 581 people, including all but one member of the Texas City fire department.
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The initial blast was also one of the largest non-nuclear explosion in US history.
In fact, the event that woke Sarah McCoin that nightâ"the deluge that moved houses and ripped trees from the groundâ"was even bigger than the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in April 2010, which spewed approximately 1 million cubic yards of oil into the Gulf of Mexico.
The oil that 'spilled' into the gulf in 2010 was a naturally occurring substance, as evidenced by how easily the environment dealt with it. And it genuinely makes sense to imagine that sub-surface events are exposing oil to the ocean on a regular basis, but we don't know about it because it's all very normal.
No, a better comparison would be to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... which spews ash everywhere on a somewhat regular basis. Ash = ash.
Unless of course you're trying to make less of an environmental argument and more of an anti-fossil fuels one. The latter is the only thing Deepwater and these coal ash events have in common.
What are you talking about? It was a government operated power plant, run by the Tennessee Valley Authority.
There are many stories that are "gotten" but never actually make it to mass media. I agree with the sentiment that a motivated reporter will usually be able to get a story, but that doesn't mean it gets printed or played on air. Most media outlets have giant corporations as their parent, and often those corporations are heavily influenced by lobbyists and others who are actively working to keep negative news from the press.
Nobody died you fool.
Someone you trust is one of us.
What about Johnstown, when a dam built by a railroad company collapsed, killing well over 2000 people. Yes, at the time the dam belonged to a club run by industrialists as a hunting and fishing preserve, but it was still an industrial accident.
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I've read a number of different estimates for deaths related to coal pollution, 10-15K annually in the US, 150-300K globally. Even if those estimates are 10 time actual, it is hard to beat coal pollution as the top killer for industrial activity. Disasters like collapses of mines, dams, coal ash pond get a lot more attention.
Turning off every coal plant today would be a much bigger disaster -- people freezing, starving, diseases, etc. would be far worse, but hey, I am all for replacing coal with safer nukes, etc. All major systems will results in accidents and deaths, it is kind of the way it is. Even today, $/kwh from coal is generally cheaper than the viable alternatives. Arguably, a new generation of nuclear power could be cheaper than coal (fuel costs on the order of 15-25% of coal), but this is certainly not guaranteed.
You still need transportation fuels (hard to replace jet planes with battery operated or nuclear).,
And the other way around as well. So you vote for either one industry or the other.
Where are the votes in favor of the people are going? You know, A government of the people, by the people,
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Or FOR natural gas...
They're going in a bin labeled "pointless rhetoric that doesn't actually begin to address real-world problems." Both major parties are really good at sucking votes out of that bin, and the remaining sludge in it is made of people who think cynical non-participation makes them somehow morally superior.
Well, certainly not proper spelling and punctuation. Its not nothin, its nuthin'.
These dang Slashdot editors don't know a dang thing about proper English. Sheeit!
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er whoops I mean nationalized
You know, the opposite of what I wrote.
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It's smaller. What's more annoying(as a local...ish) is that the state department of environmental regulation has been gutted by a governor who actually owns a lot of stock in Duke Energy. And even after the big news about this, it turns out that Duke actually still has pumps designed to pump coal ash directly from their pools into the cape fear river "for maintenance", in direct violation of the clean water act.
They excused it by saying "we didn't get any recommendation against it by the state environmental agency".
You just hate freedom. You want to take away my right to pollute the atmosphere so badly that it causes massive socio-political upheaval s around the world completely re-ordering the geopolitical landscape , uniting our enemies and making new ones under a unified belief that THIS is what America did to us, unleashing waves of suicide terrorism both abroad and domestically, all fueled by the deaths of hundreds of millions of innocent people, and unified by the theme that "this (desertification, devastating ocean rise unsurvivable heat waves, crop failures and finally, the death of large ocean life as the acidification takes out the lowest levels of the oceanic food pyramid, causing all above to collapse - THIS is what America did to us".
You just hate America and you're against freedom. That's all.
I heard about it from the main stream media and remember being offended by how the industry was restricting coverage.
The media needs to stop "being offended" and start being journalists.
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Is the biggest event really important, or is it more important to look at entire industries? Has coal in Appalachia been better or worse than gold mining in California? The gold mining contaminated many bodies of water with mercury, and fish are still unsafe because of it. How many streams and lakes in Tennessee have warnings like, "pregnant women should eat no more than one of these fish per month"?
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
I do remember some bs about not allowing an d helicopters in the vicinity because of health reasons and very little coverage.
It is a shame that some things are swept under the rug when they should be magnified appropriately. But when people want to silence an issue, there is ALWAYS a price it can be paid to be achieved . . . .
Since when does being a Socialist mean 'someone who has a different opinion than me'?
And just like Global Warming, if you ignore it, there are no consequences!
Hooray for human greed and hubris.
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Never worry. Market forces will fix this problem... somehow...
How about we lock all you green nuts up in pods and use you to generate energy?
We could make you a virtual paradise full of idiots and call it ... on the tip of my tongue... oh yeah.. California.
I have read that successively diluting a solution by 100 times will make the medical effects stronger. I've read that a perpetual motion machine has been verified but is kept under wraps by big oil. But fortunately I have more than two brain cells and can spot the bullshit.
Kingston Fossil Plant coal slurry spill
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It is a shame that we are falling behind in IP related to safe thorium reactors that can never go critical, produce only commercially viable byproducts used in industry, and can be made small enough that every house could have a sealed thorium reactor powering them. The outdated thorium laws are also causing the US to cede rare earth metal production to china, when a change in laws would allow us to use plenty of rare earth metals mined in the US. Search for the documentary "The Thorium Problem". The US made a prototype thorium reactor in the early 50's that was slated to be used to keep our nuke bomber force in the air 24/7, it was test run for 50k plus hours before shutting down. Also thorium in its natural state is so mildly radioactive it sits in piles all around the US outside of rare earth metal mines. You can walk next to it sit on them. Thorium reactors do not need to be pressurized to run, they have to be artificially heated to over 800c to become fissile, so in the event it runs away a wax plug can be put in the bottom of the reactor that will melt and the thorium will drain out into a room temperature container and become non fissile. Also because of the temperatures required to keep them running they can be used to power chemical reactions in chemical plants directly without the need to turn steam into electricity. Another words we could harness the heat directly.
One billion gallons is about 10 billion pounds.
There was 140,000 pounds arsenic in 10 billion pounds of sludge.
Concentration of arsenic in sludge is 1.4 * 10e5 / 1e10 = 1.4 * 10e-5
Or about 1 part in 100,000.
This is why they got away with it. Coal ash sludge is nasty, but not quite nasty enough to be a hazardous substance per se. Hell, one of the best ways to get rid of it is to add it to concrete, which is then poured where people live.
The figure you should worry about is the change in the arsenic level in the river after the spill. I didn't see that figure in the article.
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The DOE's cleanup job is a joke here. I refuse to support any new nuclear power plant in the U.S. until it can be proven that the mess that results can be cleaned up.
Now, that's a bit too far. Hanford was contaminated long before we had any good understanding of how to properly contain radioactive waste, had any solid idea of what kind of harm it could do, and had any kind of national environmental regulation that established standards for proper handling. Oh, and it was a military site which meant that it would have likely been handled incredibly irresponsibly due to the lack of accountability that secrecy provides them.
You should consider whether or not in the current framework with a civilian project forced to obey modern standards whether or not such a mess is likely to occur again and whether it's likely to occur in a manner that creates such a nightmare in the first place. It may still be reasonable to conclude, "No," but you really should hold up Hanford as the measuring stick for what can be done over 50 years (and an entire environmental movement) later.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
It is not "coal sludge." It's coal ash slurry.
Did the OP even read the article? Even TFA refers to the flood as consisting of coal ash slurry.
There is no such thing as "coal sludge," but there is "coal slurry" which is something entirely different from coal ash slurry that allows transport of coal through pipelines in a very expensive process.
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So, it's come to this. The best way to promote nuclear is to present the false dichotomy that it's nuclear or coal and there is no other alternative. I think this means you lost the argument.
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Madministration? Really? That is more useless and stomach-turning than Obummer!
The problem is that the media is motivated... to make money. You don't think all those adverts for Coal power on TV, or 'brand' ads about what a great company GE is are just for fun do you? The conversation goes like this 'well... we could spend money to investigate a story slamming a company that spent $50m advertising with us last quarter - or we could not, just re-print their press release about, and still be profitable and employed'. Sure, one or two reports might try to write it, but they would never get on air. You should try listening to the No Agenda show (just google it) for a great description of how it really works
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How is this the worse industrial disaster in US history, compared with the Texas City Disaster that killed 581 people, injured more than 5,000 people, and destroyed 500 homes, 1100 vehicles, and 362 rail cars due to an explosion of 2.9 kilotons TNT equivalent energy?
Cost?
Then the inflated values of today will win.
Deaths?
Long term medical effects?
Gigatons of waste produced?
"Worst" is a worthlessly subjective word without context.
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> Even if those estimates are 10 time actual, it is hard to beat coal pollution as the top killer for industrial activity.
Cigarette manufacturing. :)
If the quality of life of the local people has been effected then financial compensation is in order. Can kids play in the creeks or eat fish caught locally? Are people worried about health issues fro the spill? Each and every one effected should be paid for the negatives put upon the area. I should have said paid large!
We used to refer to Ronnie Raygun's merry band of morons as the Reagan Badministration, because they really were bad. Shrub took in the worst of Reagan's 'True Believers' and added a bunch of even worse zealots and loonies, including people who were torture enthusiasts well before the World Trade Center attacks, royalists, free marketeers, zionists, and security state fanatics. I never imagined that I would see a worst presidency than Reagan, but Bush's was by every measure the worst presidency in the history of the Union.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
Did the government actually run it or was it subcontracted out to private industry?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
It was owned and operated by Tennessee Valley Authority, http://www.tva.gov/
Until the early 1960s, there was plenty of private coal activity in the area. The problem happened after the government tried to do something other than govern. (Government does the best job of governing, running courts, etc. Their track record in industry isn't good.)
I think you may have inadvertently found out why Reagan was so bad and Bush was worse. What could both administrations have in common besides just being Republican? Dick Fucking Cheney. Says it all I think...
Perhaps Church Rock would be a better example? Shame they didn't do hardly any follow up studies on the effects on the people, being poor native Americans why bother.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
Cheney, Pearle, Armitrage, Wolfowitz, Powell, Rumsfeld, Gates, there were more.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
I never imagined that I would see a worst presidency than Reagan, but Bush's was by every measure the worst presidency in the history of the Union.
Hardly! Maybe the worst presidency in a hundred years, but there were some fucking awful presidents in the first half of the 19th century.
Perhaps Church Rock would be a better example? Shame they didn't do hardly any follow up studies on the effects on the people, being poor native Americans why bother.
That was more of a mining disaster than a nuclear power disaster and would have had similar cleanup issues if the heavy metal contamination was non-radioactive.
Mining disasters are frequently rife with issues of irresponsibility and expenses dumped on taxpayers, poor government oversight due to local corruption, and issues of environmental justice (i.e. the fact that polluting industries tend to seek out poor communities to avoid NIMBYism and to get locals to look the other way when a "job creator" is coming to town). The potential issues of racism and state & federal governments taking any opportunity to shaft Native Americans are just a cherry on top in this case -- but largely irrelevant to the question of the safety of nuclear power.
While he whitewashes the morality of the issue, Jared Diamond's "Collapse" has a pretty good introduction to all the horrors the mining industry creates and why.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
we learned that if we don't live in mining states, we can close our eyes, or at most go "tsk tsk" and turn the page, and nothing will happen to us.
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