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Apple Says Many Users 'Bought an Android Phone By Mistake'

mrspoonsi (2955715) writes "Apple CEO Tim Cook during his keynote said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months. He states, 'Many of these customers were switchers from Android,' he said. 'They had bought an Android phone by mistake, and then had sought a better experience and a better life.' He added that almost half of those who have purchased an iPhone in China since December have switched from Android. However, it is worth noting that iPhones were not actually available in China until December, when pre-orders began, so it is unclear how much of the device's popularity there is simply down to the novelty factor, rather than a burning desire to flee from Android."

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  1. It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It the best mistake of my life ! :o)

    1. Re:It true !!!! by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An android phone is quite flexible and allows quite a bit of freedom to the user. An Apple phone may look cool, but as soon as you think of stuff that you like (other favorite web browser etc.) you are toast.

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    2. Re:It true !!!! by jjhall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My wife and I have had "smartphones" (starting with Palm and the older Windows Mobile) for pushing 10 years now. We'd had Android phones for about 4 years, then we switched carriers in October. My wife decided she wanted to give an iPhone a try. I have an iPad for work, and she liked how it worked. She liked it for a couple of weeks, then the limitations started to get in the way. No external storage. Certain apps not available that she wanted. Settings she wasn't allowed to change such as default apps. In March we got her a new S4 and gave the iPhone to my daughter. 6 months is all she could stand being locked into Apple's walled garden. She didn't realize how open the Android system is in comparison to iOS.

      If anything, I think Cook has it backwards. People go in looking for a smart phone and get sold an iPhone instead. If people are looking for an iPhone and walk out with an Android device I think it is more likely because of the price difference from an entry-level Android vs. an iPhone. It is very doubtful that they don't understand the difference with all of the marketing and hype surrounding both platforms. That or Apple is seriously underestimating the cognitive abilities of its customers, which is insulting at best.

    3. Re:It true !!!! by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Informative

      An android phone is quite flexible and allows quite a bit of freedom to the user. An Apple phone may look cool, but as soon as you think of stuff that you like (other favorite web browser etc.) you are toast.

      My daughter pestered and pestered for an iphone, as all her friends had one. Once she got one and found that there were much fewer free apps, and those that were free were mostly demos the novelty wore off.

    4. Re:It true !!!! by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I bought my little Android phone intentionally. At $150 with a Net10 sub ($45/mo for unlimited everything, and it uses Verizon's towers), the little Huawei Ascend is cheap, it does what I want it to do, and runs quite nicely. Why am I so cheap about my phone? Because if it gets lost, broke or stolen, so what? I'll just get another one.

      By contrast, a $600 iPhone or Galaxy or whatever with the typical carrier's shitty plan/contract/caps/bullshit/etc isn't exactly my idea of Nirvana. I got better things to do with the extra dosh.

      Mind you, I'm not a fanboy of any camp; I have an Android phone, a box at home running Linux Mint, and a MacBook Pro (I prefer UNIX/Linux for my lap/desktop - sue me.) Pint is, Android has its limitations (esp. when integrating with the MBP), but it also has its advantages (like actual file management instead of $#@^! iTunes).

      To each their own... I've begun to reach an age where watching fanboys go nuts trying to defend their idol is entertainment, not a call to arms (well, except when it comes to Microsoft... fuck Microsoft.)

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    5. Re:It true !!!! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      An android phone is quite flexible

      *snap*

      Crap.

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    6. Re:It true !!!! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To be fair, it is a bit backwards From The Way It Has Always Been Done. You don't attach a file to an email (since iOS doesn't like the idea of free floating 'files' running around and contaminating things), you use the app that created the data to take the data from that app and move it somewhere else (in this case via email).

      You don't think of it as moving or emailing a file. That is doubleplusungood.

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    7. Re:It true !!!! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      I just got my wife another iPhone 4S to replace the dead 3GS. It cost $22. As long as you stay away from the bleeding edge, all of these things are essentially disposable. If I knew I could snag a new 4S for that cheap I might have foregone messing with the battery in my own 4S.

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    8. Re:It true !!!! by Bigbutt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have an Android and an iPhone and find the iPhone works better for what I need it for. While I've been frustrated from time to time with the iPhone, it doesn't take more than a minute or two of using the Android before I'm ready to pitch the damn thing into a nearby lake. It's nothing about available apps or external storage or anything, just basic usability. Being able to compose an email or text someone.

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    9. Re:It true !!!! by HappyPsycho · · Score: 3, Informative

      I can carry my music collection around on my phone (It doesn't fit on internal storage especially after I install a few large games e.g. plants vs zombies is 374MB). I use Osmand+ which allows me to have offline maps, the data file for Florida is 120MB, california is near 400M and will only increase as the Open street maps data gets more detailed (I had no data connections while I was visiting the US, prepaid data is very expensive).

      One of my co-workers has 2 kids and having elmo or some movie available on his phone is probably the only reason he still has hair. Streaming for him is not an option as we are not in the US where 4g (or decent data connection) is available when you are not at home or by a friend (The last time his wife went to the DMV with them was not a fun experience, she is ecstatic that one is now in kindergarden).

    10. Re:It true !!!! by meerling · · Score: 2

      Three of my friends had Android phones, and then (at different times) bought iphones. None of them went more than a year before switching back to Androids. One of them had to wait for the 'free' upgrade to become available.

    11. Re:It true !!!! by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your anecdote doesn't really mean much. Apple has much better retention than other companies, and when you look at buying intention or people who have switched, the numbers do come out on Apple's side. It's nice that you and your wife have found things that work for you. When I borrowed a Nexus 4 for a week, I had to struggle to make it a week before I went back to my iPhone 4. I just couldn't find anything particularly redeeming about Android phones that I didn't get from my iPhone (other than the speed of a new phone, obviously, but any new phone would give me that; and the price).

      You're assuming he means that they purchased the phones 'by accident' rather than what he probably intended, which is that they later had buyer's remorse and felt they'd made a mistake. He's deliberately blurring the meaning here, but he's almost certainly not claiming that people went home with phones and didn't realise until later that they weren't made by Apple.

    12. Re:It true !!!! by smash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, if people haven't watched the keynote, you need to take Cook's comments in context. It was a light dig, said with a humorous tone whilst discussing sales numbers, os upgrade numbers and customer satisfaction survey results.

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    13. Re:It true !!!! by vux984 · · Score: 4, Informative

      which apps weren't available

      The two that annoy me:

      Firefox with adblock
      HumbleBundle support

      I had an iphone; I still think it was the best device on the market at the time. (3GS era); but I wouldn't go back now.

    14. Re:It true !!!! by uncqual · · Score: 2

      Do you think that when you're in Apple's walled garden that you're not also under constant surveillance, recorded for later use?

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    15. Re:It true !!!! by Zaatxe · · Score: 2

      I have an iPad for about 2 years already and Android phones for almost 4. Last week I bought an Android tablet because I got tired of iPad's software limitations. It is still a nice piece of hardware to watch Netflix and browse the internet, but that's it. With the Android tablet I can do much more than I could with the iPad. Not having to deal with iTunes is also a plus.

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    16. Re:It true !!!! by LateArthurDent · · Score: 4, Informative

      alternate browser: chrome and opera are available for iPhone, and probably ffx too ( i never checked). you can put the browser on your dock and take the safari browser off your dock. the only limitation is you can't change the default browser for which program is used when opening links in an email, etc. but otherwise do what you want.

      Nope. All third-party browsers in iOS must use the iOS webkit framework. So yes, you can get "chrome" for iOS, but really it's just a Safari skin. Case in point, you can't use chrome extensions on it.

    17. Re:It true !!!! by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Funny

      gave the iPhone to my daughter.

      I'm afraid I'm going to have to report you for child abuse.

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    18. Re:It true !!!! by eth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your anecdote doesn't really mean much. Apple has much better retention than other companies, ...

      Apple calls it "retention," the rest of us call it "vendor lock-in."

    19. Re:It true !!!! by khellendros1984 · · Score: 4, Informative

      In early 2012, there were over 1.1 million apps available on the iPhone, and in May 2011 (when they approved their 500,000th app), 37% of the apps on the store were free, and the average price of all apps was $3.64.

      In my experience (2008-2010, on an iPod Touch), you could do a fair amount for free, but most (not all) free apps were feature-cut demo versions. On Android, free apps often have all their features, but are ad-supported.

      I can see someone being disappointed by the difference, but I agree that the post you replied to sounds like an exaggeration.

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    20. Re:It true !!!! by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      I have an Android and an iPhone and find the iPhone works better for what I need it for. While I've been frustrated from time to time with the iPhone, it doesn't take more than a minute or two of using the Android before I'm ready to pitch the damn thing into a nearby lake. It's nothing about available apps or external storage or anything, just basic usability. Being able to compose an email or text someone.

      [John]

      Glad you are comfortable sending a text or a really long text (email) on your iPhone. Those of us interested in a smartphone will continue to enjoy the Android experience.

      /troll

    21. Re:It true !!!! by marsu_k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really, apart from the soundbites given by evangelicals such as Cook, how many actual pieces of malware have slipped through the Play Store? Yes, installing random software from the net can be quite harmful, I guess that is given (there have been attacks on jailbroken iPhones as well). Personally, I like to have the ability to choose (yay for HumbleBundle), but I can see the point of the walled garden. Then again, Apple App Store is no panacea, as was proven quite recently.

    22. Re:It true !!!! by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are locking you in because phones that run iOS are only available from Apple. If I buy an Android phone, and buy my apps from the Google Play store, then when it comes time to buy my next phone, I still have to buy an Android phone if I want to use all my apps, but I can get a phone from Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Google, and many others. If I bought an iPhone, and I want to upgrade my phone, and maintain usage of my old apps, I have to get another iPhone. You're always locked into the operating system. but with Apple/iPhone, you're locked into the hardware manufacturer as well.

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    23. Re:It true !!!! by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Why would I be under surveillance with an iPhone? Apple makes most of their money selling us stuff. The main alternative is Android, an OS from a company that makes most of their money selling us to advertisers. It's much more in keeping with Apple's interests to give us the best possible experience than it is with Google's.

      Of course, all cell phones connected to a carrier are under constant surveillance, and if I want to do something clandestinely I have to assume that that data is recorded for later use. This has nothing to do with iPhones, or even smartphones.

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    24. Re:It true !!!! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      Good link.

      For what? For hiding that it actually talks about app crashes? No, wait, that's talking about apps running a framework made by a company funded by Google.

      What could possibly go wrong.

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  2. "By Mistake" by Godai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, fortunately iOS 8 adds a bunch of things that Android has had forever, so that will help the problem!

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    1. Re:"By Mistake" by SternisheFan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So basically, is Apple's CEO saying that Apple users are idiots?

    2. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Shhhhhh..... you'll cause the reality distortion field to collapse.

    3. Re:"By Mistake" by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, just that they're buying it wrong.

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    4. Re:"By Mistake" by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So basically, is Apple's CEO saying that Apple users are idiots?

      Actually, yes, I think that's a fair conclusion - not that all Apple users are idiots (I'm one), but that is what he's basically intimating by making that ludicrous remark. How could anyone confuse phones? Even if you're totally illiterate, or English isn't your language, the iPhone has a distinctive look that hasn't changed in years, plus a big honkin' Apple logo on the back.
      In reality, I think he's full of shit, and just trying to make excuses for Androids popularity and Apple's loss of market share. Mind you, I have nothing against iPhones, in fact I use one, and I like it. Very stable, very fast, the apps do what I need them to do, I don't need to hack this and that and customize my icons, blah blah. (besides, jailbreaking allows all that). But I have a Nexus 7 too. It's all good.
      Apple needs to accept the fact that Android is steep competition for them, and stop making silly, insulting excuses.

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    5. Re:"By Mistake" by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 2

      So basically, is Apple's CEO saying that Apple users are idiots?

      No, he's saying that accidental Android users are idiots and those are the best customers.
      What's in your pocket? ;-)

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    6. Re:"By Mistake" by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      They didn't buy it by "mistake" then, they were misled into a different phone by the sales guy.

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  3. Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    These ARE the droids we're looking for ;)

    1. Re:Android by buddyglass · · Score: 2

      Motorola should totally cut a deal with Lucasfilm (or Disney, or whoever owns the rights now) and put out a commercial that plays off that line from Star Wars. Could maybe make some fake desert footage of a guy looking for a phone and splice it in with clips of Alec Guinness from the movie. People would eat it up.

  4. White Moto X by tbuddy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I constantly have people refer to my Moto X as an iPhone and tell me that it's natural for me to use an iPhone since I work on a lot of Macs. I don't think the Slashdot crowd are the type to get duped, but I can recount tons of people who went in for iPhones and were sold on Galaxy S3 by Verizon sales critters. I don't think really either is going to make for a better life more than the next. You can play Angry Birds while you poop with either equally effectively.

    1. Re:White Moto X by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I suspect - and Apple would probably hate this - that to many people "iPhone" and "smartphone" mean exactly the same thing, in much the same way that all tissues are Kleenex. If you don't give enough of a damn about the differences between square touchscreens called Nexus and iPhone and Galaxy and Lumia to make a purchasing decision between them, you probably don't give enough of a damn to keep their names striaght.

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    2. Re:White Moto X by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      having just bought a phone for my mom, at a VZ store no less, they recommended iPhone. We went with the Galaxy S5 instead, as I have never used an iPhone, and I am the one going to support it. My impression of the store was, you have half a dozen iPhones on the Apple wall, and several brands and a few models of each on the Android wall. The shear number of choices made it hard to choose iPhone randomly. And the salesperson's push to iPhone made it hard to choose Android by accident.

      In the end, (anecdotal evidence) we got exactly the phone we wanted. It isn't hard to choose either, and if you're just looking for a "smart phone" you'll get one. However, saying that people "accidentally" bought an Android is a bit of a stretch and quite frankly says more about iPhone users and Apple customers intelligence than I suspect he wanted to say.

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    3. Re:White Moto X by mlts · · Score: 2

      This is probably similar to how some call all digital audio players, "iPods", or any tablet an iPad. For example, someone looking at a tablet, and telling the clerk they wanted the "Samsung iPad".

      Is buying an Android phone a "mistake"? To answer a question with a question, is buying a Ford F-350 over a Dodge 3500 a mistake?

      Yesterday's WWDC had a lot of stuff being announced, I'd say one of the more useful announcements was the iCloud storage price drop and the fact that iCloud can be used directly as a drive similar to Dropbox. However, Google Drive has had this functionality for a while, and its price is about the same as Apple's offering.

      As for Android being a "mistake", not really. I don't know any tasks that you can do on iOS that can't be done on Android unless it is due to Apple-specific stuff like iMessage. Vice-versa, the main thing Android can do over non-jailbroken iOS are fairly esoteric things like accessing a sshfs volume, something that isn't really an everyday thing for most people.

    4. Re:White Moto X by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      If corporate found out, it would probably drill something like this into clerks' heads: "Samsung doesn't make the iPad; Apple does. Let me show you the Galaxy Tab."

      Not always the best strategy. You have to understand that many people in the buying public view such corrections as you being overly pedantic. If they want a "Samsung iPad" and you tell them Samsung only makes the Galaxy Tab, many will get offended and walk away.

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    5. Re:White Moto X by Andrio · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not being able to install whatever I want on an iOS device is the reason I'll never get one, no matter what.

      I like my Android phone because it's a personal computer in my pocket. It really is! It has its own filesystem that I can navigate and move files around, I can download an apk from a trusted website and install it; I can do anything I want. Not so with an iPhone. It doesn't let you install anything you want, so it can never truly be personal computer for your pocket. It's just a smart dumbphone. The exact same thing as my old verizon flipphone that sold overpriced apps from the Verizon V-cast store. The only difference is that the iphone it's prettier and gives a far better UX, but fundamentally they are the same thing.

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  5. Sounds like Tim Cook can become even richer by kruach+aum · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hear James Randi's foundation has a million dollar prize for people who can demonstrate their telepathic prowess. Surely being able to read the minds of 130 million people would qualify?

  6. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I once bought an iPad. I did a lot of research on it - it had had the best graphics processor and best processor at the time. Solid construction, very nice hardware. I may have even been willing to live with the OS restrictions. The geographical limitations of me buying an app from the iStore killed it for me. I even went as far as to contact the app author, who said his hands were tied. Willing buyer, willing seller, some fcuked up bastards in the middle. I will never go back.

    Gave it to my dad. Works well for him though.

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  7. In other news by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Coca- Cola says consumers have drank Pepsi by mistake in the past.

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    1. Re:In other news by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Coca- Cola says consumers have drank Pepsi by mistake in the past.

      At least that's actually true. I've ordered Coke, and been served Pepsi without being told. I don't really like Pepsi. And I generally realize its wrong after the first sip. I don't make a stink about it, but had I known they were going to serve me Pepsi, I'd have switched the order to 7-up.

      I'm sure sure lots of people order a 'Coke' and just mean 'cola' and don't care what gets brought to them.

      But I doubt anyone has ever mistakenly ordered "Pepsi" when they actually deliberately meant to get a "Coke".

  8. Whoosh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    as it flies over the poster's head.

    1. Re:Whoosh by anyaristow · · Score: 2

      Watch starting at 45:00:

      http://www.apple.com/apple-eve...

      Clearly a joke.

      Exactly. This was clearly a joke if you watch the keynote. And it landed pretty well too.

  9. Re:Other way around by fullmetal55 · · Score: 3, Informative

    which apps you can buy vary from country to country... so yes it is very geographical.

  10. Re:The shareholders will be impressed by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's not statistically significant, and it's irresponsible for
    a CEO of a public company to say so.

    I believe the word you're looking for is puffery.

    Basically you can be full of shit, everyone knows you're full of shit, but it's OK to be full of shit because everyone knows you're not actually making a statement of fact.

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  11. Re:Oh, that's so rich by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

    Are all Apple public statements this arrogant? They're running those horrid (and long) commercials right now showing people using iDevices in all kinds of contrived circumstances, too.

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  12. Some may switch back again.... by Dega704 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because using an iPhone after being used to Android makes me want to chuck it against the wall.

    1. Re:Some may switch back again.... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Android has one default email app; Email. It supports POP3, IMAP, and Exchange email accounts, and is managed from the Acccounts area in the Android Settings menu. There is also an app for Gmail, but this integrates with Hangouts, G+, Voice Search, and all of the Google services. It's there because it's a Google service, and they are pushing their own product just like any other company does.

      Managing accounts on Android is just as easy as on an iPhone; It's exactly the same. It's done this way so permissions to account details can be strictly enforced, meaning there aren't account details lying randomly around the user-accessible storage, ripe for any app with "Read storage" permission to steal.

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  13. Re:Can I buy a punctuation (or an editor)? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because, the, commas, help us, to, time the sentence, to, sound just like, William, Shatner. ;-)

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  14. Re:Other way around by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can only assume that iTunes isn't available in his country at all or that each country has their own restrictions like nudity, etc. There are restrictions due to DRM and copyrighted content and there are legal limitations in each country. Apple does list what the restrictions are by country.

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  15. Re:Other way around by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is something I noticed with a lot of Windows Phone users. They bought into the platform thinking it was new and neat, and the WP supporter crowd (yes, it exists) were cheering themselves on last year claiming that they were the fastest growing platform. But from what I saw, after owning it for one generation most of these guys switched back to Android. And as it turns out, Windows Phone is no longer the "fastest growing" and is in fact stagnating.

    http://betanews.com/2014/02/24...

    This may very well be the case of iPhone in China, given that it only recently started officially selling there.

  16. Re:By mistake? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

    And that says a bunch about the Apple Customer base than anything. I wonder how many iPhone sales are from people wanting Android and "accidentally" getting an iPhone. ;)

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  17. Re:Other way around by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

    How were the seller's hands tied exactly? Most app developers just click every country in the app store when it comes to selling it. The only reason I can think of for a developer not to sell an app in a certain country is that he is not allowed to sell it there, because of content which is illegal in that country, or because the software uses libraries with a license that restricts sales in certain countries. In both cases it is appropriate not to sell the app there, and no fault of the "bastards in the middle"

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  18. Re:Other way around by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

    the WP supporter crowd (yes, it exists) were cheering themselves on last year claiming that they were the fastest growing platform

    Expressed as a percentage, almost any increase from zero is going to be the "fastest growing". :-P

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  19. they tricked me! by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Alibaba lied when they sold me my ePhone!

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    1. Re:they tricked me! by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Funny

      Alibaba lied when they sold me my ePhone!

      You clearly picked the wrong one. Follow the link for the ayePhone or if you want dual sim (and maritime compatible) version click on ayeayePhone. See, user error.

    2. Re:they tricked me! by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

      Hold still while we install your eyePhone.

      *rams phone into eye*

      Fry: AAAIIEEEE!--ooh, this is pretty nice.

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  20. "A Better Life" by chinton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really... This phone or that phone will give you "a better life"?!? You need to get a life before you can have a better one.

  21. OMG! OMG! OMG! by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Funny

    I took the gel case off my Motorola Defy and IT DOESN'T HAVE AN APPLE LOGO ON THE BACK!! what do I do!? what do I do!?

  22. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 2

    Not quite, specifically this was the game Avernum in South Africa. Not DRM or nudity or anything like that, just bloody-mindedness on apple's part. I could have pirated it, but I prefer to pay Jeff for his work.

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  23. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 4, Informative

    I specifically asked Jeff Vogel about this, and he said, no, it was only Apple. Apple did not respond to my query, so I must presume their guilt in the matter.

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  24. Re:By mistake? by doggo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And I think this is what Cook was saying. People went to buy a smartphone thinking they'd have the same apps/functions/etc as the iPhone if they bought any smartphone, then found that their Android phone didn't do/use the specific thing that all their friends on iPhones could do/use.

    To say that Tim Cook was saying people went to intentionally buy an iPhone, but accidentally bought an Android phone is disingenuous. You know what he meant. And if you don't, you have a serious English comprehension issue.

    Now, whether cellular providers' sales people fobbed Android phones off on customers who were actually looking for an iPhone is another story.

    You can imagine the scenario:

    "I'd like an iPhone."
    "That's $399, then."
    "What?! That's a lot!"
    "Well, we have these (Android) phones, and they're only $39.95."
    "Is that an iPhone?"
    "No, but it does all the same things."
    "Oh. And only $39.95? Okay. I'll take it."

    A few months later they've discovered that iPhone only app that all their friends rave about doesn't run on Android. Oops.

  25. Re:Other way around by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if you are ok 'following the rules' then apple is fine for you.

    I have a problem with 'rules' (when it comes to my own computer and what I can do with it) and so I won't be caught dead with a mac or iphone or ipad.

    computers are more than a simple appliance to me. so apple is entirely wrong for folks like me.

    wish there was a hacker's version (blessed by the company) for those who want something a bit more hybrid, with more freedom. I don't mind apple hardware but their software and systems approach is a huge turn-off and I won't buy their hardware only to have to fight them and work-around them.

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  26. Android phones are also more secure. by emil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And this conclusion has been peer reviewed. With Cyanogenmod, you even get a line-item veto (privacy guard).

    Malicious software has appeared in the iTunes store. Android, in contrast, displays everything that an application will need to access so that users can decide themselves whether to go ahead with an installation.

    To compare these two security models, Han and co-workers identified 1,300 popular applications that work identically on both iOS and Android. These applications, such as Facebook, often access code libraries on smartphones called security-sensitive application programing interfaces (SS-APIs), which provide private user data or grant control over devices such as the camera.

    The researchers found that 73% of iOS applications, especially advertising and analytical code, consistently accessed more SS-APIs than their counterparts on Android. Additionally, the SS-APIs invoked by iOS tended to be those providing access to sensitive resources such as user contacts.

    The results imply that by allowing users to control permissions, Android may be better at preventing stealthy applications from getting hold of private information. Notably, Android also intentionally avoids using SS-APIs if non-security-sensitive APIs can be used to achieve the same functions.

    1. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Informative

      You haven't heard of Cyanogenmod, have you? It's an alternative operating system you can install on Android devices (I know I'm not the only person who twitches when people say "androids" to refer to any Android device, as if all of them are equivalent and running the exact same software).

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    2. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by supremebob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The main problem that I see with Android security is that it takes forever to get security patches. It can take over six months for an Android point release to get validated by the carriers and pushed out to all of the phones, and many Android phones that are more than 18 months old aren't getting ANY Android updates anymore.

      Combine that with clueless end users (like my poor Mom) who seemingly click on every e-mail and SMS link they receive without thinking twice, and you have a disaster waiting to happen. She switched to an iPhone after her old Android 2.3 phone got hacked and filled with malware.

    3. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can jailbreak your phone and modify the functionality of iOS, too.

      The fact that this is referred to as "jailbreaking" is telling. My phone didn't start out in jail.

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    4. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by smash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hand-balling security to the end user, when 90% of end users are muppets will not work, as demonstrated by the malware success on the Windows platform. Android is the Windows XP of smartphones. The rest of the world has tried that approach for the past 30 years, seen that it is not viable, and moved on. End users are not, and will not ever be, or care to be security experts. Apple gets that. Microsoft is beginning to get that. Android fans who say that leaving security stuff to the end user do not get that. Yet. It will come.

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    5. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Informative

      It looks like Apple would disagree. This is literally the first line of the iOS 7 agreement:

      [quote]IMPORTANT: BY USING YOUR iPHONE, iPAD or iPOD TOUCH (“iOS DEVICE”), YOU ARE
      AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE FOLLOWING TERMS:
      A. APPLE iOS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT
      B. NOTICES FROM APPLE[/quote]

      Followed by this:

      [quote]PLEASE READ THIS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT ("LICENSE") CAREFULLY BEFORE USING
      YOUR iOS DEVICE OR DOWNLOADING THE SOFTWARE UPDATE ACCOMPANYING THIS
      LICENSE. BY USING YOUR iOS DEVICE OR DOWNLOADING A SOFTWARE UPDATE, AS
      APPLICABLE, YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE. IF YOU DO
      NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, DO NOT USE THE iOS DEVICE OR DOWNLOAD
      THE SOFTWARE UPDATE.[/quote]

      Just out of curiosity though, which OS are you replacing iOS with? The OpeniBoot project hasn't been touched in 2 years and doesn't have any drivers. There isn't exactly a huge community of people actively replacing iOS with another OS.

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    6. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      Well, considering that that website has a navigation link to "Sample Page", with all of the glory of a default Wordpress install, and links to "Disclosure", "Privacy Policy", and "Terms" that have no content on the page, I'm going to suggest that you probably don't want to download their software or give them your money. If you want to replace the default OS of an Android device I would suggest you look here instead of a shady clickbaiting site. That's not exactly the best example to prove a point.

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  27. OSX isn't locked down like iOS is by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > so I won't be caught dead with a mac or iphone or ipad.

    Pretty much anything that runs on Linux will run equally well on a Mac. OSX isn't locked down like iOS is.

  28. Re:By mistake? by iapetus · · Score: 2

    It's disgusting that things like that happen. When I go to the Apple store, they find out what I intend to use my device for and then recommend an Android, iPhone, Windows phone device based on what's best for me.

    Right?

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  29. Apple doesn't offer a garbage product range by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

    Apple doesn't offer a product in the garbage range.

    If you go into a store today you can probably still find devices for sale running android 2.x. Expensive high end devices too, but if you buy a cheap droid you're in for a bad time. In the same way you can buy 7 and 8 year old blackberries too. I wouldn't recommend most of the really cheap droid products to anyone.

  30. Accidentally bought an Galaxy S3. by thevirtualcat · · Score: 5, Funny

    And then I accidentally rooted it.
    And then I accidentally installed CyanogenMod on it.

    Will no company save me from this vicious cycle of accidentally doing things to my phone?

    1. Re:Accidentally bought an Galaxy S3. by marcello_dl · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't worry, good guys to the rescue.

      The NSA: "Thanks to the poor isolation from the closed source modem in your phone, we accidentally all your memory"
      You: you accidentally WHAT?
      The NSA: "all your memory".

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  31. 3 switched... no mistake by mspohr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the last few months, all three of my children have ditched their small screen, walled garden iPhones for Android phones. They did not do this by mistake. They did it intentionally. They are happy with Android.
    Tim Cook is delusional (or, more likely, blowing smoke)

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  32. Android vs iPhone is not the new Mac vs Windows by Arkham · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work at AirWatch and work on every mobile device and platform that exists. They each have their merits and drawbacks. Trying to turn it into some holy war is absurd and pointless. My two main devices are an iPhone 5 and a Nexus 7 tablet. I love them both for different reasons. As a developer both platforms have merit and both have annoying limitations. Everything Tim Cook said is technically true but none if it means that a Nexus 5 isn't an awesome phone.

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  33. It was a joke but perhaps true for some people ... by perpenso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A friend was visiting Asia and in one "market", on a parking garage's underground lower level, a "vendor" was offering iPads. The box looked just like a real iPad box. Inside the tablet looked just like a real iPad. However when powered up it was an Android tablet. I saw his photos, the box and tablet were good counterfeits.

    Perhaps this is occurring with phones too and Cook's jobs is perhaps true for some people. They accidentally bought Android due to counterfeiting. :-)

  34. Re:Other way around by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Interesting

    this was the game Avernum in South Africa

    I've just checked it out. That game is available in South Africa. If it wasn't when you tried it's because the author neglected to check the checkbox for South Africa.

  35. Re:Other way around by gmhowell · · Score: 2

    They purchased AMC 20 years prior to your vehicle purchase. And Jeeps have never been known to be things like 'leak free'. OTOH, I was rather impressed with how they built them, at least relating to the 1978 CJ5 I used to have. Ran several miles at highway speed with no oil in the sump. And for tens of thousands of miles after refilling it :D Oh, it had about 80,000 miles on it when I bought it. But problem free? Well, how did the oil drain out?

    Point is, if you had gone by anything other than anecdotal evidence, you would have known what you were in for.

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