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Apple Says Many Users 'Bought an Android Phone By Mistake'
mrspoonsi (2955715) writes "Apple CEO Tim Cook during his keynote said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months. He states, 'Many of these customers were switchers from Android,' he said. 'They had bought an Android phone by mistake, and then had sought a better experience and a better life.' He added that almost half of those who have purchased an iPhone in China since December have switched from Android. However, it is worth noting that iPhones were not actually available in China until December, when pre-orders began, so it is unclear how much of the device's popularity there is simply down to the novelty factor, rather than a burning desire to flee from Android."
It the best mistake of my life ! :o)
They were Android users, and sought something better. Everyone talking about iPhone. They love the shiny... but in a few months' time, many of them will switch back.
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Well, fortunately iOS 8 adds a bunch of things that Android has had forever, so that will help the problem!
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These ARE the droids we're looking for ;)
I constantly have people refer to my Moto X as an iPhone and tell me that it's natural for me to use an iPhone since I work on a lot of Macs. I don't think the Slashdot crowd are the type to get duped, but I can recount tons of people who went in for iPhones and were sold on Galaxy S3 by Verizon sales critters. I don't think really either is going to make for a better life more than the next. You can play Angry Birds while you poop with either equally effectively.
I hear James Randi's foundation has a million dollar prize for people who can demonstrate their telepathic prowess. Surely being able to read the minds of 130 million people would qualify?
Coca- Cola says consumers have drank Pepsi by mistake in the past.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I won't knock either. I've used both. Cook's statement is just plain incorrect.
You don't purchase something and replace it because you bought it buy mistake. You get the replacement if you need a new phone or feel the upgrade is worth it. Maybe a few of those people walked in wanting an iPhone and walked out with an Android phone (with no interference from sales staff). That would be the only time anyone bought it "by mistake."
as it flies over the poster's head.
"Apple CEO Tim Cook during his keynote said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months states, "Many of these customers were switchers from Android," he said.
Perhaps this means:
Apple CEO Tim Cook, during his keynote, said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months. 'Many of these customers were switchers from Android,' he said.
I am not a crackpot.
I've listened in as a salesman told a woman that the Samsung was essentially an iPhone" to a woman who came in asking about it. He wasn't pleased when I chimed in that the two weren't quite the same. (I can guess which pays the bigger commission...)
I'm certain he could argue that the woman was using "iPhone" to mean "Smartphone" and he was pointing out that the two Smartphone OSes both have roughly the same feature set. But I'd bet that Tim Cook would feel that but for my intervention, she would have bought an Android "by mistake".
if the stock goes down, shareholders will sue.
Is that how it works?
I don't think that's how it works. At least, it shouldn't work like that, save for intentional pump-n-dump type situations.
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I believe the word you're looking for is puffery.
Basically you can be full of shit, everyone knows you're full of shit, but it's OK to be full of shit because everyone knows you're not actually making a statement of fact.
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iPhone's been available in china a long time.
Just not on the 'verizon' version of the carrier.
Do we need a new apple story every day, just to troll?
Are all Apple public statements this arrogant? They're running those horrid (and long) commercials right now showing people using iDevices in all kinds of contrived circumstances, too.
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Because using an iPhone after being used to Android makes me want to chuck it against the wall.
Post Snowden, I have zero interest in using a smartphone with all my personal data integrated into one device; I use a nice simple candy bar phone instead.
I have a small Android tablet which I use for music and web browsing - and it remains switched off when not in use.
In other words, I practice the Battlestar Galactica approach to security and keep my devices separate. :-)
Apple CEO Tim Cook during his keynote said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months states, "Many of these customers were switchers from Android,"
So, tell me, Tim, are you bad at math, or duplicitous? It is also true that many first time users of Android, nowadays, are switchers from iPhone. How can I know that without having any figures at hand? Simple: Said slightly differently: Many people who buy a smartphone today are on their second or later smartphone, and there are only two major smartphone OSs. If it is their first smartphone with OS A, it must be either their first smartphone, or they had a Windows phone (not many of those out there), or they switched from OS B. Simple math means many who use OS A for the first time switched from OS B.
So, Tim, are you saying neither you nor anyone who went over your speech could figure that math out, or are you saying you expect your audience won't catch it, and you'd try to put one over on them? Are you bad at math, or are you a used car salesman?
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That they have, hands down, the best marketing people in the biz at their disposal. Only apple could repackage a stale turd, sell it as a "better life experience," while denigrating the competition. It's genius if you can pick up on it. There's, obviously, plenty of dumbshits who can't.
I don't see amazon app store or sideloading on apple. Also Apple Iphone starts at $650 unlocked.
Alibaba lied when they sold me my ePhone!
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I was a devoted Android user for the longest time. The problem with the Android ecosystem is lousy devices and poor end-to-end integration from the device through to the OS and UI. I bought the first Motorola Droid. It was great. With each successive revision, quality went downhill. When I had the chance to work on the iPhone at work, I realized what a higher quality product the iPhone was. It was a tough decision for me because I love the openness of the Android ecosystem. On the other hand, the iPhone is a better designed, rock-solid product, running on a more stable operating system. I was sold. As a developer, I hate Apple's overarching control and authoritarianism over its ecosystem. As a user, I love it because apps generally are prevented from going crazy and taking over my battery usage. And don't tell me about the fact that I can root my Android phone and solve it myself. I've done that. It's not as effective.
Listen people like what they like, and thats fine. Regardless the idea that Android users are buying these devices on accident is absurd at best. I accidentally bought a Note 3 for $300?? So now not only are Apple users unable to make their own decisions(see app store farce), but now they can't even buy the correct device? Not sure I'd like that type of customer. I've also noticed that most Apple users, at least the ones in my family tend to blame the issues with their handsets on other devices...
Really... This phone or that phone will give you "a better life"?!? You need to get a life before you can have a better one.
Tell me how this differs from public statements made by Microsoft, Samsung, Google, Oracle or any other company?
The fact it, it isn't.
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You can play Angry Birds while you poop with either equally effectively.
Silly. I thought you knew that everybody poops, and if they don't they're an Android and should be destroyed.
I took the gel case off my Motorola Defy and IT DOESN'T HAVE AN APPLE LOGO ON THE BACK!! what do I do!? what do I do!?
I wonder how many wanted an iPhone but ended up buying an Android because it's cheaper?
I've noticed that a lot of people want X (often for specific reasons) but decide to buy Y because it's cheaper, even thought it doesn't meet their criteria like X does and then are disappointed because it doesn't do what they want.
Maybe I'm just bad with my money, but it seems like there's a lot of people out there for whom the "deal" is at least as important as the functionality/thing they are buying, yet often they make the "deal" the priority and end up with an unsatisfying purchase that seems to cost them more money than just spending what they needed to get the right thing the first time.
I think there's some kind of expression about the unhappiness with poor quality lingering long after the joy of a good deal.
When I bought a TV I bought the cheapest TV I could with a big screen. I know that for most consumers, this is what they are looking at for a phone. Anyone can go down to the corner kiosk and get a phone for $100 and $50 a month, much cheaper than Apple.
What is interesting is that Apple is extraordinarily expensive but still has almost 20% of global market share. Samsung which tends to have more expensive phones, makes up the other 30%+. So half the market is samsung and Apple, not IOS on Android.
So a lot of world consumers are spending real money on phones. It will be whichever has the current novelty factor that they will buy. If you do not buy MS, there is no lockin.
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Salesmen don't know jack. They're just in it for the money.
There are plenty of reasons I'd take an Android over an iPhone. In fact, I'll probably buy an Android for my next phone. Androids can be cheaper (salesmen will push the most expensive of course). Files can be moved to and from Android devices freely without the need for an application like iTunes (which won't even allow mp3s to be moved off of them -- I needed to use a File Manager App and VLC to accomplish that). SoundAbout can be used to pipe audio to different devices (HDMI, headphones, etc.). Most come with microSD slots to expand storage. Torrents and emulators run on Android no problem.
Really, I don't understand why people are so cell phone obsessed. Cell phones are tools. They either do what you want them to, or they don't. Someone game me the iPhone I have now. It's good enough for making calls and listening to music, but I wouldn't call it the greatest thing ever made.
Really? I don't know what to say about that..
But it could have been reworded without the trademark infringement: "An iPhone is a smartphone, and a Galaxy is a smartphone. They both do pretty much the same things: talk, text, web, email, calendar, Facebook, games... It's like the difference between Coke and Pepsi. They're both fizzy drinks, just a little different."
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Just what did anyone expect him to say? That Apple is losing marketshare to Android?
He said it with a chuckle, tongue-in-cheek and the audience took it that way. Sheesh.
its not because our product is stagnant and overpriced, its because you're too stupid and didnt buy it. but dont worry, we told you about being stupid so now you can switch.
Good people go to bed earlier.
there are only two major smartphone OSs. [...] Windows phone (not many of those out there)
Where are you drawing the line for "major" and "not many of those"? According to three-week-old data by Canalys and ABI Research, Windows Phone trails iOS by about the same ratio by which iOS trails Android. But otherwise, I see your point that there are enough people whose previous smartphone run Android that switchers from Android would make up a large portion of iPhone and Lumia buyers.
Of course there's sideloading on an iPhone. You just have to buy a Mac and a $99 per year developer license.
Apple and Google are now clearly rivals. Just like Samsung and Apple are rivals. So every chance they get they will take a poke at the opposition. Frankly, I think it's good to see a little fire in Tim Cook's belly. If Apple expects to continue to do well in the smartphone arena they are going to have to fight for it. It's a zero sum game - people will either buy an iPhone or something else, but rarely both of them. And once people get used to a particular way of doing things it's hard to get them to change.
So the battle lines are pretty clearly drawn. On the Android side you have the ability to customize your phone to a great degree and generally have more choices. On the Apple side you have less choice but, arguably, better vertical integration and "flow". Android phones come in all price ranges. Apple, not so much but the build quality is excellent across the line. One thing that is beginning to worry me is mobile malware which seems to be almost entirely an Android problem.
I've had both and currently have an Android phone. But if Apple introduces an iPhone with a larger screen I might switch back. My wife has a 5S and she loves it but to me it feels like a toy compared to my LG G2. The fact that I'm using a MacBook Pro makes for a compelling case to switch back to the iPhone. Sure, the G2 works fine but it's not nearly as slick as the all Apple solution. I'll be watching closely this week to see what new hardware comes out.
The iPhone has been available in China for a couple of years. It only became available on China's largest carrier in December.
...were it still available, I could have done a quick "fuckapple" tag and been done with it.
"Murphy was an optimist" - O'Toole's commentary on Murphy's Law
I'm with a woman who does sales for VZW, she's explained to me that they actively push Android phones much more than iPhones because Verizon typically makes more on the Android phones. They don't actively discourage iPhone sales, but they run more promotions for Android and there are more Android related bonuses (or just additional quotas) for the sales people. It's partly because there are new Android phones out all the time and they run specials for a lot of new phones, but even during the months when new iPhones launch there are no incentives for sales people to sell iPhones while there are incentives for them to sell Android. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this, if VZW makes more on other phones it makes sense for them to push them more, but it's part of the reason people who aren't really committed to one or the other will walk out with an Android phone. I wouldn't say they bought Android phones by mistake, though. We use both around here, if I'm being honest the iOS products run more smoothly but the Android products allow far more freedom, so I tend to think they each have an audience that suits them.
And this conclusion has been peer reviewed. With Cyanogenmod, you even get a line-item veto (privacy guard).
> so I won't be caught dead with a mac or iphone or ipad.
Pretty much anything that runs on Linux will run equally well on a Mac. OSX isn't locked down like iOS is.
If you took it literarily, you have serious issue. The statement is obvious humorous sarcasm intended to entertain Mac Developers. It is also obvious that would irritate Android fanatics.
As technical person working in technology, I have many technical friends that use iPhone or Android and sticking to it. Those are two different platforms with totally different ecosystem and philosophy behind them. Both have advantage and disadvantages. There is absolutely no reason to trash each others over differences.
The argument becomes pathetic like convincing die hard SUV owner that your new roadster is a better car.
Jesus, it was a fucking joke. They also featured some google services during the keynote, as well as bing.
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It's probably also why Apple is pushing Bing! as the default (although Google and Yahoo will still be available for search engines just as Bing! is already an option. It's also probably why Apple simply didn't write off it's investment in Apple Maps and is continuing to work on it's own Maps program. (although until it gets Transit options, I'll still be using Google Maps, thank you very much)
Apple doesn't offer a product in the garbage range.
If you go into a store today you can probably still find devices for sale running android 2.x. Expensive high end devices too, but if you buy a cheap droid you're in for a bad time. In the same way you can buy 7 and 8 year old blackberries too. I wouldn't recommend most of the really cheap droid products to anyone.
It doesn't matter what people are saying about you, as long as they're talking to you.
Tim Cook isn't stupid. He said it, and you're all talking about it. Apple wins.
You've highlighted the fundamental issue of Apple, post-Jobs.
Tim Cook may or may not be a fine CEO if executing the business plan is all you want. But he can't market for shit. If The Sainted Steve had yanked that speculative crap out of his skinny ass, his RDF would have Jedi-mind-tricked the tame press into believing it, evangelizing it, and providing any post-hoc justification he needed.
Apple stopped being a religion with the passing of Steve Jobs.
Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.
How pathetic is it to realize that you could have done the exact same thing on the old phone.
Pratchett explains this rather well:
"The Sam Vimes "Boots" Theory of Economic Injustice runs thus:
At the time of Men at Arms, Samuel Vimes earned thirty-eight dollars a month as a Captain of the Watch, plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots, the sort that would last years and years, cost fifty dollars. This was beyond his pocket and the most he could hope for was an affordable pair of boots costing ten dollars, which might with luck last a year or so before he would need to resort to makeshift cardboard insoles so as to prolong the moment of shelling out another ten dollars.
Therefore over a period of ten years, he might have paid out a hundred dollars on boots, twice as much as the man who could afford fifty dollars up front ten years before. And he would still have wet feet.
Without any special rancour, Vimes stretched this theory to explain why Sybil Ramkin lived twice as comfortably as he did by spending about half as much every month. "
"Deals" often aren't.
Not a sentence!
Copious auto-correct errors are a deal breaker. I'm a science writer. You can't have my physical keyboard...not even from my cold dead fingers. Extra points: my Droids are sturdy damn things. (plus, the little Android dude is supercute)
The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.
I'll lend two more points of visibility to this. The humor may not be apparent in the transcript. Watch the video, starting at 45:00:
http://www.apple.com/apple-eve...
In case you didn't watch, they're missing some important punctuation there. It was tongue in cheek... targeted at the very Apple-friendly audience. Chill
Really have we sunk this low?
love is just extroverted narcissism
It's just "cooler" with a certain group to own an iPhone over Android, and if all your "friends" use iPhones it makes sense to choose that device for a multitude of reasons, including compatibility with their "friends" devices. I hear people refer to Android as "Too Windowy" and the hype over attack and infection rates is a great scare tactic to drive customers to another platform. The average person isn't concerned with handling their own security, instead they want someone to do that for them so they don't have to worry. I have a acquaintance that installs tons of apps on his Nexus 7, all free too, then he complains about issues that arise and odd quirks. Using the exact same tablet I have 0 issues, but I got over that "install everything" phase and only put specific apps that there is a need for. One last note, Apple's iOS8 and its 4000+ new API's some of which allow apps to talk to each other smells to me like a gigantic security nightmare, especially after their rather obvious SSL "bug".
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
And then I accidentally rooted it.
And then I accidentally installed CyanogenMod on it.
Will no company save me from this vicious cycle of accidentally doing things to my phone?
It's like a subset of rule #34 ... any technology or technology company will have people who uncritically think it's the best thing ever.
And from what I've seen of the posts in any thread which is either about Microsoft or Apple ... they both have their fare share of drooling fanbois for whom the company can do no wrong.
And, of course, I will reiterate ... this is pretty much true of pretty much everything.
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Well they were the ones who staunchly defended Windows 8 as the best thing since sliced bread. They saw nothing wrong that desktop users were forced to use a tablet interface at all.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Indeed. I think that Microsoft is probably Apple's "friendliest" rival. Bing is actually a pretty good search engine so maybe this will be a good fit. I also like the fact that DuckDuckGo will now be available on the iPhone. It's a nod towards internet privacy and a subtle dig at Google, me thinks.
Apple simply must do a better job with the Maps program and, as you point out, not having a Transit option is a glaring weakness. I'm pretty sure that Apple will shore that up. Google Navigation is one of the few must have apps for me but more and more I just don't trust Google with any of my information. I'd be happy to dump it for Apple Maps but it's got to be good. I expect that it will be much improved after the embarrassing initial rollout.
In the last few months, all three of my children have ditched their small screen, walled garden iPhones for Android phones. They did not do this by mistake. They did it intentionally. They are happy with Android.
Tim Cook is delusional (or, more likely, blowing smoke)
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Should I just stay off /. for the next three months while every single quote from WWDC gets posted for the benefit of pageviews and ad impressions?
One of the items I discuss, besides our impending burial by an avalanche called WWIII and the technology misused to fight it, is our misuse of technology in general, which i will call rampant consumerism.
Nothing Apple produces makes a better life for anyone.
Neither the factory workers who make the product, or the countires where the resources seem to always attract a terrorist to make industrial goods/central bank...and therefore require a invasion a drone invasion of some kind.
Including all of the lawlessness drone shootings require.
I disagree with Cook's statement this is some sort of better life.
It is not.
It continues NOT to be in fact for just about everyone here reading this.
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Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
I needed to buy my family a new Camry, our old one was getting too old. The vtech just wasn't kicking in anymore. We love our new Camry, especially the Ford Sync thing that lets us sync up our iPhone and play music from the playstore.
I won't knock either. I've used both. Cook's statement is just plain incorrect."
Someone pointed out the Cook's statement was just a joke at an Apple audience.
But yep, we're nerds. We like technology.
I currently have an iPhone 5S on Verizon for work, but I still just upgraded my personal T-Mobile device to a Nexus 5 (a new one from Craigslist at a good discount from someone who bought it by mistake, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread). So I'm in a good position to comment. So maybe I will.
They're about the same weight, even though the Nexus is quite a bit larger. The aluminum case on the iPhone is nice but very slippery so it already has a bunch of nasty gouges in the corners and edges. I haven't dropped the Nexus yet (it's only been a week) but the rubber backing is more secure. Yes, I should get protective covers for both of them, but lazy.
The iPhone's camera is noticeably nicer... the Nexus sometimes has trouble focusing on my intended subject.
I don't care for the stocks that Apple puts on the notification swipedown, and there's no way to remove it.
I usually get quite lost in Apple UI elements, since I've been using Android longer I get frustrated when I can't figure out which UI element to use to bring up the menu or to simply go "back / escape"... it's always a different one hidden in a corner or worse yet a swipe in some random direction.
Ironically, Google Chrome on iOS is a bit easier to use than on Android. To switch tabs, since you can still swipe left/right from the edge. On Android they had changed it a few months ago so you had to swipe down a bit to show the address bar, and then swipe left/right on the address bar, which annoys me... almost enough to consider going back to Dolphin browser maybe. And Chrome, on iOS also has some kind of accelerator that takes you back to the top of the page if you swipe down repeatedly aggressively enough, whereas Chrome on Android just makes you swipe and swipe. OTOH, trying to scroll up/down in a page on iOS often accidentally brings down the notification menu or the "bottom" iOS menu instead, which annoys me more. More reasons to go back to Dolphin browser I suppose, where I could just bind pgup/pgdn to the volume rocker.
Tim Cook is clearly trying to get across that he feels that these people bought these phones and then realised the error of their ways, not that they walked into stores, put money down, and only realised when they got home that they had Android phones instead of iPhones.
The distinction in this case is subtle because 'by mistake' usually does mean 'by accident', or 'unintentionally'. He's TRYING to be subtle here because he's almost certainly trying to make an allusion to their court cases and how Samsung made phones that really did look like iPhones for a while.
When everyone has an Android phone, it's quite likely that a lot of new iPhone users had an Android phone. That's because Android is taking over the market, not because a large percentage of Android phone owners are unhappy.
Apparently no one here actually watched the keynote. He was clearly joking about people buying Androids by mistake.
I work at AirWatch and work on every mobile device and platform that exists. They each have their merits and drawbacks. Trying to turn it into some holy war is absurd and pointless. My two main devices are an iPhone 5 and a Nexus 7 tablet. I love them both for different reasons. As a developer both platforms have merit and both have annoying limitations. Everything Tim Cook said is technically true but none if it means that a Nexus 5 isn't an awesome phone.
- Vincit qui patitur.
Bought Android by mistake? I would hardly say that is true, I'v used an iPhone and I couldn't give it up fast enough, it was by far the worst phone I've ever used.
Because a Cyanogenmod user was able to monitor this application, it was discovered that Swype was requesting location data several thousand times per day.
The vendor responded with a reasonable explanation.
In any case, if you run an Apple device, you will never know if your vendor begins doing such things, either for innocuous reasons, or otherwise.
p.s. You can now buy phones loaded with Cyanogenmod as the native OS.
I bought an HTC ONE M8 and after 30 days wish I had not bought this crap riddled thing and bought a Nexus or google play edition instead.
Android phones from carriers and manufacturers are utter crap because of all the useless garbage they shovel into it. HTC Sense and Blink Feed is complete garbage.
A pure Android phone is 800X better than anything you can buy out there. Why Google allows HTC and AT&T to utterly molest the OS with their crap I'll never understand.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Are all Apple public statements this arrogant? They're running those horrid (and long) commercials right now showing people using iDevices in all kinds of contrived circumstances, too.
No. Many jokes if later presented as factual opinions do, though.
"sought a better experience and a better life"
You have got to be FUCKING KIDDING ME. Limitations! DRM! Hacking! Locking! Soldered batteries! Walled garden bullshit! Remote deleting apps! The price! Carrier limitations! iCloud running like crap! iTunes running like crap! Theft! AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHH my head just exploded. Someone should have came up from the audience and slapped that idiot.
The 1% at the top who are technically literate enough to make the most it truly want to believe the system works but for everyone is a mess. It's no wonder of all brands Android generally ranks worst in customer satisfaction which says a lot when win phone people are happier having a phone with no apps than those in the android ghetto.
Sure they exist. And that woman you met on Craigslist you pay to have sex with you is your "girlfriend".
Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
Or jailbreak it.
Upgraded to a 3G-S. didn't bother to jailbreak. Didn't miss it. Have run iOS primarily ever since.
Dabbled with Android on a HTC One and Samsung Galaxy S3. Noticed that many apps do not scale to the screen properly. Encountered folder bug on HTC One (created a folder in the launcher I could not delete until updating firmware). Noticed bug in alarm clock - didn't wake me up. Noticed scrolling was less smooth than my 3-4 year old iPhone from 2008. Constantly annoyed with the UI and crappy email program.
Didn't find anything to hold me to the platform and the UI was annoying. Handset quality was not as good - the S3 feels like a plastic child's toy, and the buttons on the bottom of the HTC one are awkward to use with one hand.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
Please provide your statistics on Mac market share. According to NetApplications, OS X share is 7.4%. That is very inline with historical Apple share of market since the 1980's. Bottom line, it is Apple FUD.
For different folks...
Choice is always good. In the world of notebooks and desktops that's why there's linux, OSX and a few other OS's available.
Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But then I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain
You know carriers know what handset you use, and apple has agreements with their carriers, right?
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
sought a better experience and a better life.
Better experience? I get nothing but frustration from my wife's iDevices. I haven't used Android, so I can't compare, but Android would have to be pretty bad if Apple is a better experience. (I have an old flip phone. Makes calls. It's off most of the time.)
A better life? Get rid of your damned phones.
So let me get this straight. Your claim is that when someone says there's no external storage, that's bullshit, because you don't know what they want external storage for? Isn't that like saying the Earth's moon is bullshit because you aren't an astronaut? You can see no insanity in your response at all?
I believe I shall back away now, very slowly, while maintaining eye contact.
For the record, I have no cell phone, neither smart nor dumb, not Apple or Android. I have no dogs in this fight but both sides seem almost equally insane to me (with very slightly higher sanity on the Android side, because at least their technofetish is reasonably cheap).
For me, having watched the keynote, it was quite clear that it was meant as a light-hearted joke - why anybody would get riled-up about it is beyond me.
Also, I doubt that Apple would be able to achieve and exceed their sales and profit growth targets with only fanbois buying - the number of those is pretty limited and can be counted by counting the number of people who line-up when a new i-device is on sale for the first day.
So, there must be a quite significant number of switchers. And for some, it was indeed a "mistake" to buy an Android phone in the first place.
Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
This was the one I was thinking of.
A lot of them only make sense if they assume you already have an iPhone, and in no way justify buying a new one for however many hundreds of dollars those run these days.
1. Not even sure what that wrist-mounted glowy app thing is about...some sort of sexified musical instrument?
2. A metronome, you can get for like 10 bucks at any music store.
3. I'm assuming the mic stand one is some sort of lyric display app? Just print the damn thing.
4. Using it as a video game controller? Fuck no.
5. Kids taking a video -- any smartphone these days can do that, I'm sure. Or even cheapo digital cameras.
6. Music display for marching band -- just use your freakin' sheet music! Totally unnecessary. I should know; I did band. Not to mention it's probably a hell of a lot easier to flip physical pages of music when you have 2 whole fast-time measures of rest than desperately hope that your swipe registers correctly on the first try.
7. And then there's the different bits where people are just pointing it at random stuff. Taking pictures? Big whoop.
Maybe if I already had an iPhone for some reason and these apps were all less than $5 each I'd think about it. But just the fact that these are all probably paid apps seems to undermine the entire point, as the conventional option would probably be barely more expensive. And if you have an iPhone, you don't give a fuck about money anyway, right?
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Looks like the Reality Distortion Field has rubbed off on Mr. Cook. It's become a game with me to tease my fiance about the things my cheap-ass Nexus can do that her 64GB iPad can't.
There is a war going on for your mind.
You can't go wrong with rounded corners.
sjobs' RDF is alive and well.
Never heard anyone say this "in the wild", neither did I ever come across a single person that got confused by Wii and WiiU.
This looks like something marketing and spin doctors would come up with.
It is my experience that the MAC users are the least knowledgeable users
A MAC is a hardware identifier number for networking. Perhaps you meant Mac - short for Macintosh.
It's my experience that people who don't get simple capitalisation of technical terms right are not very knowledgeable.
A friend was visiting Asia and in one "market", on a parking garage's underground lower level, a "vendor" was offering iPads. The box looked just like a real iPad box. Inside the tablet looked just like a real iPad. However when powered up it was an Android tablet. I saw his photos, the box and tablet were good counterfeits.
:-)
Perhaps this is occurring with phones too and Cook's jobs is perhaps true for some people. They accidentally bought Android due to counterfeiting.
For the AC's post, there's a good group of my software engineer coworkers that have Apple devices, and they're happy with them. A lot of us have Android devices, and we can say the same. I don't see a lot of ridicule going either direction.
I had an iPod Touch around 2.x/3.x, along with a feature phone (so the iPod was my only "smart device"). The interface was nice, and the experience was polished. It was a great tool. In 2010, I bought an Android phone. It wasn't nearly as polished, but it was an OK tool, and there were a lot of things that while not strictly useful made it a great toy. For me, the combination of good tool + great toy far outweighed the benefits I was getting from my iOS device, but I can definitely understand why that would be an unacceptable trade-off for someone else. In the last 4 years, I think Android's polish has gone up. While I know that I could be mostly satisfied with an Apple device, I don't see any reason to move from where I am.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
... Cook's jobs ...
Cook's joke.
:-)
What would Freud say about that typo?
That comment was an offhanded joke, reporting it like this is ridiculous. I guess unless the point was to have a flame war...
I just upgraded from a shitty Android 2.3 device to a Nexus 5 running 4.3. The difference was night and day. Android 4.x is really an impressive OS.
Apple is proud you can switch to them from Android, are they proud that their product iMessage destroys the experience the other way around? AND that it is impossible for Apple to fix their own bug? Or is that a "feature"?
"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." -- Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy
While 1'300 million customers bought iPhones by mistake thinking they would look cool just to notice later that everybody and their neighbors already had one.
This was clearly a tongue in cheek remark. He put a bit of mild ribbing in to get a laugh out of the audience. Calling it "berating" is a complete mischaracterisation. See for yourself, it's 45 minutes into the keynote video.
Bogtha Bogtha Bogtha
I guess I'm wrong, but seriously, all of this should be native in 2014, even XP could open them natively.
Do these additional apps also let you put the content into the correct folders for frequent access (in my case, an zipped mp3 album)? Of course there's still the other stuff that Apple won't allow you to do, and having to jailbreak is completely ridiculous.
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You wouldn't run Linux on Mac hardware, of course. If you like Linux, but Linux isn't appropriate / available in a particular situation, OSX is well worth looking at. Examples would be if you need to run specific software that is available for Windows and Mac but not Linux, or if your large organization supports Windows and Mac but not Linux. That would include any of the Adobe tools, AutoCAD, etc. Most of the time, probably 99.9% of the time, Linux has software that does what you need. However, if you actually have to run Adobe Flash CS6, Mac will run that along with whatever free software you're accustomed to from Linux.
In my case, the agency I work for provides employees with Windows or Mac desktops. Linux isn't an option. Since I much prefer Linux but it wasn't an available choice, I chose Mac and I have no regrets. I pop open a bash shell and work just exactly as I do on Linux.
After friends, coworkers, and sales people convinced her, my sister got a nice iPhone a year or so ago after having a crappy android phone for a couple of years. After one week she was so fed up with it. This was probably iOS 5 days. I'm sure things are better now but back then it had a hard time setting up her contacts and calendar to sync with Google. That and the lack of third-party keyboards caused her to give up on it and she exchanged it for a halfway decent Android phone which she quite likes. To this day she wonders why people can stand iPhones. To each his or her own.
All this isn't to say that Android doesn't suck; rather it sucks in different ways that work better for some people. To me battery life on Android is still pretty crappy after all these years.
Dear Tim,
Many Android owners bought that platform deliberately. I don't see a resurgence in iPhone sales either so maybe their accidental discovery was more like a Penicillin kind of accident than say, a 'had a bad burrito' kind of accident. Or maybe they switched to Windows Phone after Android (haha... yeah I know, doesn't look like it).
L8r.
"How much truth can advertising buy?" - iNsuRge - AK47
That's true for about 80% of the "iPhones" you see on the subways in Shanghai. Take a peek on the screen - and it's running some version of Android. The case definitely looks like an iPhone, the dimensions and materials sure are iPhone-clones, even the home button is there - but it's running Android.
The businessmen I know that have real iPhones (bought in the US or Hong Kong, usually - China Unicom was too expensive) use them simply for showing pictures. It's amazing that when their phone rings, they take out a DIFFERENT phone (nearly always Samsung at that) and answer the call - and send the text. Their iPhones seem to be restricted to picture-album use and status symbols - not actual, real-life-use smartphones.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
The comment was said in jest. He was obviously joking and it got a big laugh with the crowd. This story was either posted as flame-bait intentionally taking the quote out of context, or by someone who didn't watch the keynote. Separately, Apple didn't actually plan on calling it OS X 10.10 Weed.
I regret buying this Samsung Galaxy S5. I hate it. Nothing is done properly and it actually works poorly with my GNU/Linux desktop. I had an iPhone 4 and I should have upgraded to an iPhone 5; it was the same price.
To deal with just one piece of your drivel.
Your M$-xx and iOS-xx are easy targets for malware, and that is a fact, not so much on my side of the fence.
Virtually all mobile malware is for Linux (Android). None of it in 2013 was for iOS, and precious little in any preceding year.
http://www.mcafee.com/uk/secur...
>" 'They had bought an Android phone by mistake, and then had sought a better experience and a better life.' "
No, what they PROBABLY did was buy a piece of s***, low-end, low-cost Android phone and hated the experience. And that should surprise nobody.
Had they bought a Nexus 5, a Samsung Galaxy S4/5, an HTC One, an LG G2/3, etc, those same people would likely not be dumping it for an iphone.
Tell me how this differs from public statements made by Microsoft, Samsung, Google, Oracle or any other company?
Microsoft: Windows 8 is the best operating system released to date.
Google: The Nexus 5 is the most advanced smartphone on the market today.
Samsung: The Galaxy S continues to grow by leaps and bounds with the latest release, the S5.
Apple: Andoid users bought the phones by mistake.
Sorry, but you're wrong. Most companies talk up their own products as opposed to trying to drag down the competition. However Apple needs to do this in order to deflect from the fact that Android eclipsed IOS in features, functionality and ease of use years ago.
The only exception would be Oracle, ironically enough run by Steve Job's best mate. However I've still never seen a press release telling me that people buy MS SQL by mistake. Sure there's plenty of white papers explaining why Oracle is better than MS SQL, but none trying to insult my intelligence.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
If you're going to assert that, you have to admit that Microsoft is not and has never been a monopoly as well.
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
When Samsung rolled out the Galaxy S III in the spring of 2012, that phone once and for all showed Android phones could be _better_ than the iPhone of the day. 4.8" display, 2 GB RAM (on most models), replaceable battery and Micro SD card memory expansion was something iPhone users wished they had.
Today, the Google (LG) Nexus 5 and the Motorola Moto X shows just how good "plain" Android can be now. Apple is just finally catching up with the rumored larger screen iPhone models due this fall.
Perhaps "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" :>
If a train station is a place where a train stops, what's a workstation?
Finally someone gets it. :P
I know Apple are arrogant, but even they wouldn't be THAT bad, it's pretty funny that people are taking this little joke so seriously
Are all Apple public statements this arrogant? They're running those horrid (and long) commercials right now showing people using iDevices in all kinds of contrived circumstances, too.
It was a joke. It was really obviously not serious.
The frothing over this is hilarious.
...LIES! (Rhymes with Apple pies)
I'm an Android/Windows guy. My wife and kids have iPhones (they don't tinker). I bought my wife a 10' cord so she can use the device while charging in bed. Simple enough, right? The f'in cable won't charge the phone because it is "unauthorized." Give me a f'in break. What a joke. It is a cable with the Lightning connection. Apple can suck it!
The only headline that will garner more clicks than an Apple .vs. the Galaxy story is one on global warming/cooling/climate change er disruption whatever.
Murphy was an optimist
Guess Apple thinks Android has chad...
Last time I used Google Maps, it wanted me to sign in. I went back to Apple's app, even though it doesn't work as well. My personal paranoia, YMMV.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Whenever I've gone to a store looking for a phone, I make it a point to avoid the iSection because I don't want to get any on me.
Last time (less than 3 weeks ago, as it happens) a $CARRIER employee asked "Why not get an iPhone?" when I was clearly looking at Androids, I told him I couldn't take him seriously and waited for another employee who would sell me what I wanted.
So no, I don't believe it was a mistake for a large percentage of people - the customers were probably (in their minds) "graduating" to the top-of-the-line flagship carrier device after having had a feature phone, a low-end smartphone (probably Android) and then a higher end smartphone (probably a better Android) every 2-ish years for the last few contract terms... the kind of people with not a great deal of money to spend so they kind of have to prove to themselves that yes, they can handle having a $700 smartphone (but who still buy the el-cheapo sub-$500 laptops at Wal-Mart and load them up with more malware than I can shake a USB-stick at).
Were they **really** satisfied? Well, chances are the marketing survey was taken while the phone was new, so, in comparison to their old phone, yes, it's going to score 4 or 5 stars. Ask the same people half-way in to their contracts and the results are probably not nearly as pleasing.
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I realise that I'm likely to get shot down here... I had an Android phone for nearly five years before jumping ship to the iPhone 5s in November, and I have to say, I absolutely love it. With the rise of Android tablets, my need for a customisable phone diminished. I just wanted something that worked well and was reliable, and I have to say, ti's a wonderful piece of kit. Five years ago, I was a massive Apple sceptic, and saw Google as the paragon of virtue. It is arguably the other way around nowadays. Google cannot be trusted with any of your data anymore, since they make money by selling and exploiting it. On the other hand, Apple are expensive for a reason, and don't need to use such underhand tactics.
Last time I used Google Maps, it wanted me to sign in. I went back to Apple's app, even though it doesn't work as well. My personal paranoia, YMMV.
Google maps wants you to sign in so that you can access your personal lists of bookmarks and places. It's a very useful feature for quickly plotting travel times and routes to frequent places you want to go. I make heavy use of it for public transit. Your personal paranoia is barring your own access to a handy utility. Are they using this data to keep track of your shopping preferences, probably. Do I give a flipping damm? No.
And this is the 666th comment on the thread, just to drive that point home.
Maybe one thing that Steve Jobs gave to Tim Cook is a bit of the old Reality Distortion Field Elixer, from which he's serving himself something like Pan-Galactic Gargle-Blasters.
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Anyone think of the percentage of iPhone adopters that switch to Android? Those numbers are conspicuously absent. I doubt they did any follow-up for iPhone "consumer corrections" to see how many later dropped iPhone and went back.
And they say Microsoft "drinks the kool-ade" on their own products. Seems like both camps have a strange brew now. However in this respect, Apple has some serious catching up to do.
If the rumors are true, then we'll get to see who can make the better "geez I feel like I'm going to break this thing it's so thin" device for 2015.
Still waiting for the bluetooth, bio-powered, wetware interface cartilage implant accessory. (stereo, please)
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