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Study: Ad-Free Internet Would Cost Everyone $230-a-Year

Several readers sent word of research into the cost of internet content without ads. They looked at the amount of money spent on internet advertising last year in the U.K., and compared it to the number of U.K. internet users. On average, each user would have to pay about £140 ($230) to make up for the lost revenue of an ad-free internet. In a survey, 98% of consumers said they wouldn't be willing to pay that much for the ability to browse without advertisements. However, while most consumers regard ads as a necessary trade-off to keep the internet free, they will go to great lengths to avoid advertising they do not wish to see. Of those surveyed, 63 per cent said they skip online video ads 'as quickly as possible' – a figure that rises to 75 per cent for 16-24 year olds. Over a quarter of all respondents said they mute their sound and one in five scroll away from the video. 16 per cent use ad blocking software and 16 per cent open a new browser window or tab.

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  1. $230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...OK...where do I sign up?

    1. Re:$230 by Tim+the+Gecko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...OK...where do I sign up?

      You can sign up for our flat rate Gold Plan at $1000, or the Silver Plan where we will nickel and dime you until you pay $2010 per year, or the Bronze Plan where you will get some carefully selected ads in return for a lower fee of $500.

      This service brought to you by your trustworthy ISP.

      Notes: (1) You may occasionally see ads, (2) Ads you don't see will still count against your bandwidth cap, (3) We hate you.

    2. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adblock is free.

      p.s. But it doesn't block advertorials or slashvertisements. :(

    3. Re:$230 by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      I don't need an Ad free internet and I'm not sure I'd want one. I would like an Annoying and/or Slow Ad free internet. Pop up, holding pages, overlays, etc all must be brought under control. A method to identify and suppress the annoying ads would be a boon to all the "good" advertisers. Those that slow loading times to a crawl must also be eliminated.

      I think some sites should try direct sponsorships with a single or a few corporations. Load their banner, use their colors, and merge it with the site design to keep it a pleasant, quick loading experience. Ad services have run out of control.

    4. Re:$230 by RicktheBrick · · Score: 1

      Did you ever get woke up in the middle of the night because your computer is playing an advertisement? Slashdot is a big offender in this regard. Leave your computer on with an active browser with slashdot on one of the tabs. It does not even need to be the active tab either. It use to be that one had to allow the audio to start but now the audio will start even if one does not do anything to show any interest in the product. It is so bad that chrome will show a speaker on the tab where the audio is coming from. Does anyone think they can force interest in their product? I like some advertisements as some are informative but when some are trying to force one to watch or listen to them, I instinctively shut them off without giving them a chance.

    5. Re:$230 by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      $230 per website that you use + you still need to your ISP the costs of running the local system that get's you on line. also I see that you have basic TV for $50 more a year for 1 year you can get our triple play plan with faster downloads + 1 year free HBO + hardware rent fees. and for only $70 more for 1 year X1 dvr, extreme 105, HBO and MAX. Come on you want faster internet and more tv right?

    6. Re:$230 by TWX · · Score: 1

      No, I don't actually. But then again I have adblock, flashblock, and noscript running, so there are three barriers to that kind of thing happening, each more daunting than the previous.

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    7. Re:$230 by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I think some sites should try direct sponsorships with a single or a few corporations. Load their banner, use their colors, and merge it with the site design to keep it a pleasant, quick loading experience. Ad services have run out of control.

      That will get you a "TL;DR" from the PHB. Just say "synergy".

    8. Re:$230 by Karmashock · · Score: 2

      but noscript does. ADblock + NoScript + Flashblock = no ads at all.

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    9. Re:$230 by tepples · · Score: 1

      Most of the time, the bottleneck is not my side of the Internet connection but instead other side of the connection and the comparatively low-end CPU of my tablet and laptop as it decompresses images, executes scripts, and lays out the boxes that make up the page. If I had 19 kids and counting, and I had someone who actually watched 19 Kids and Counting, then perhaps I might need faster Internet and more TV.

    10. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit. $230 for strict boolean searches from Google? Priceless.

      FUCK MBA's

    11. Re:$230 by allo · · Score: 1

      you do not need flashblock. just tell noscript to block flash on trusted pages as well and you have flashblock like placeholders.

    12. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      advertorials or slashvertisements

      Woosh.

      Then again, nothing blocks ads better than disconnecting from the Internet.

    13. Re:$230 by aaron4801 · · Score: 1

      1) Well I pay twice that already, do I get TWO free internets?! 2) More seriously, paying additional for the privilege of not viewing ads was one of the founding principles behind cable TV. It didn't take long before you were paying extra AND viewing ads.

    14. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is no longer boolean. I can ignore visual clutter all day long but if the god damn search does do the god damn fucking thing it supposed to do I go crazy.

    15. Re:$230 by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      I've been using bing for years mostly because I didn't want there to be only one search engine. Try them out. They have boolean searches. I know... the evil microsoft... but the search engine is good.

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    16. Re:$230 by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its not the big bad ISPs who generally do the ads (though they do sometimes participate on the side with DNS shenanigans). Its the people making the content you like.

      Got a youtube channel you like with annoying ads? Dont blame the nasty corporations, blame the channel operator who chose what types of ads you received.

    17. Re:$230 by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Flashblock is built into chrome (and has been for ages), and I thought I recalled it being built into firefox.

    18. Re:$230 by allo · · Score: 1

      they at least wanted to add click to play. i used flashblock in the past and the noscript-flashblock for a long time by now. konqueror was one of the first browsers with click-to-play function.

    19. Re:$230 by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      I like to be able to toggle flash on and off. What is more, i whitelist some sites only to have them annoy me with flash videos.

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    20. Re:$230 by mlts · · Score: 1

      I have adblock running on everything. No auditory diarrhea encountered here.

      Even with that in mind, a lot of websites end up causing the RAM in their browser instance to bloat... so I end up using Chrome's task killer to stop the browser executing stuff in windows when I call it a night, then refresh the pages when I come back to it.

    21. Re:$230 by causality · · Score: 1

      I've been using bing for years mostly because I didn't want there to be only one search engine. Try them out. They have boolean searches. I know... the evil microsoft... but the search engine is good.

      I've been using Startpage for years now. They perform a Google search on your behalf while guarding your privacy. They don't even log your IP address. They're the same company that runs Ixquick.com if you want a truly independent search engine to go with the privacy features (their own indexer, no dependency on Google). Personally I enjoy the idea of getting Google results without the Google tracking for which I never signed an agreement.

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    22. Re:$230 by mrbcs · · Score: 1
      Host file. What's wrong with all you geeks?

      No ads, no hijacks, no problems, no exceptions. I can't believe this adblock is so popular with all the problems people bring up.

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    23. Re:$230 by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Are you kidding? $1000? $230??

      I just installed Adblock Edge. Fuck ads.

      I'll be willing to pay Adblock $5 a year for a 99% adfree experience & screw the lot of them.

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    24. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find that RequestPolicy is also pretty useful -- my adblocker hardly does any work these days, since i'm obviously not going to whitelist somedomain.com->doubleclick.net or other suspicious XSRequests.

      captcha: eldest

    25. Re:$230 by qpqp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's also DuckDuckGo.com. Despite the name, it's actually quite decent, and the "related" non-boolean search lands on top.

    26. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Every thing should be free for me! Fuck people wanting to make money for the content I use!

    27. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, why do you even visit a site like Slashdot if this is a problem in your life? Seriously, do people without adblockers still exist?

    28. Re:$230 by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "paying additional for the privilege of not viewing ads was one of the founding principles behind cable TV"
      False. It was the premise of a specialized singe channels, NOT 'cable TV'. Cable TV you are paying for a service NOT content.

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    29. Re:$230 by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      The only thing built into Firefox these days is a large integer and a constantly morphing UI.

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    30. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where can I get something to block Bennett Haselton articles?

    31. Re:$230 by Moof123 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How much stuff have you bought due to ads? Zero here. I usually get ads for places I just shopped at, which is really closing the barn door after the cows have left, and often results in me thinking twice about going there again.

      I'm convinced that ad based funding is a bubble waiting to pop. I would be very interested to see the analytics supporting the notion that people were clicking enough ads (or influenced by the ads) in Flappy Birds to support the 50k/day payout the author was getting (and that was just his cut).

      I pay for Hulu, and I wish there was a slightly higher cost ad free option.

      I'd also be open to paying $20/month for a completely ad free internet where the ISP's and content providers figured out some miraculous revenue sharing agreement (good luck with that).

      My problem with the current pay-wall route is that too many places have just a few articles I want to read occasionally, nut they want to do yearly subscriptions, which is a no-go for the amount of stuff I want.

      As a result I do ad-block, and also avoid a lot of sites. Mandatory video ads almost always makes me leave. I almost never watch anything on youtube anymore.

    32. Re:$230 by gnupun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      $1,000 is way too much, because $230 is already expensive. Let's do the math:

      Current CPM (cost per thousand ad impressions/views) is $3.10

      Therefore $230 will buy you (230 x 1000) / 3 = 74193 page views / year.

      And that happens to be 74193 / 365 = 203 page views / day.

      Few people, other than web addicts, browse more than 200 pages / day.

    33. Re:$230 by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      They may want the money, but that doesn't entitle them to it. There's plenty of people who will willingly produce content for free.

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    34. Re:$230 by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      you do not need flashblock. just tell noscript to block flash on trusted pages as well and you have flashblock like placeholders.

      Although, using both allows me to white list or temp allow a site and still have the Flash blocked, until I specifically select it. Sure it's then two clicks to see it, but many times I want to see the other content on the page and not the Flash.

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    35. Re:$230 by ne0n · · Score: 1

      Ghostery is my new convenient friend. Blocks the adwhores & leaves js-heavy websites functional without the NoScript whitelisting nuisance. With AdBlock Plus it's nearly perfect.

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    36. Re: $230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. I would pay double this to not have to deal with the advertisers drive-by malware infections on work machines.

    37. Re:$230 by gsslay · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is your computer on and browsing, with the speakers on, in the middle of the night when you're not using it?

      If you're going to do this, you deserve all you get. Along with what it does to your bandwidth and electricity bill.

    38. Re:$230 by causality · · Score: 2

      There's also DuckDuckGo.com. Despite the name, it's actually quite decent, and the "related" non-boolean search lands on top.

      The difference is, DuckDuckGo is headquartered in Paoli, Pennsylvania. You have to dig through their site a while to find that; try the Hiring section. That means they are subject to US fed/state data retention laws and government requests.

      Ixquick is headquartered in The Netherlands and (understandably) boasts about not having provided one byte of data to the US government. They've won EU awards because those governments actually recognize the value of privacy. Please see this page for a reference.

      Don't get me wrong, DuckDuckGo sounds good. Sounds like they certainly don't actively track you. But I don't see them bragging that they "keep no data to hand over in the first place" and I would be truly surprised if that is entirely an option for them. Certainly they can't tell the US government to piss up a flagpole if and when fishing expeditions come in.

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    39. Re:$230 by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      How do they legally use Google's service to do that? Google own ToS forbids what they are doing.

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    40. Re:$230 by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      Actually, I have watched TV shows because of ads.

    41. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you ever get woke up in the middle of the night because your computer is playing an advertisement? Slashdot is a big offender in this regard.

      No, but I turn off my computer's speakers when I'm done computering for the day.

    42. Re:$230 by causality · · Score: 1

      How do they legally use Google's service to do that? Google own ToS forbids what they are doing.

      I assume that being outside of US jurisdiction helps, but that's just a guess and I'm no lawyer.

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    43. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You already have. You're already paying the ad companies this much in hidden cost increases of everything you buy across the board.

    44. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every thing should be free for me! Fuck people wanting to make money for the content I use!

      I should only pay for what I've agreed to purchase. Fuck people making money for the content I choose not to receive.

      It sounds a little different from a customer point of view doesn't it?

    45. Re:$230 by FireFury03 · · Score: 2

      ...OK...where do I sign up?

      Well yes, I'd probably sign up too. However, I imagine this would work more like cable/satellite:

      1. Look at all this great stuff you can get *with no ads*! All you have to do is pay a subscription fee!
      2. I've got a great idea! We could make stacks of money if we put advertising on the subscription channels as well as charging a subscription fee!

    46. Re:$230 by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      I'm convinced that ad based funding is a bubble waiting to pop. I would be very interested to see the analytics supporting the notion that people were clicking enough ads (or influenced by the ads) in Flappy Birds to support the 50k/day payout the author was getting (and that was just his cut).

      Half of all advertising is a complete waste. The problem is figuring out which half.

    47. Re:$230 by FireFury03 · · Score: 2

      Its not the big bad ISPs who generally do the ads (though they do sometimes participate on the side with DNS shenanigans). Its the people making the content you like.

      Got a youtube channel you like with annoying ads? Dont blame the nasty corporations, blame the channel operator who chose what types of ads you received.

      From what I can tell, youtube doesn't seem to do non-annoying ads, so the channels have to choose between "annoying" and "none".

      TBH I find the youtube ads so intrusive that I do block them. I don't feel particularly bad about this because I figure that if the channels are particularly hurting from the blockers they can go shift their channel to another website that has more sensible advertising policies.

      (Really - I wouldn't mind seeing the youtube preroll ads if I was watching an hour video, but when I'm watching 20 separate 3 minute videos, seeing *the same* 30 second preroll ad every 3 minutes starts to grate a bit)

    48. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You turn off your computer when you go to bed?? What are you some 7 year old kid living with his momma?
      Seriously though, some people actually have these things called servers. Or maybe your herd of something called torrents?
      Yeah i didnt think so.

    49. Re:$230 by almitydave · · Score: 4, Informative

      Totally with you. FWIW, YouTube offered to let me "monetize" my videos - I assume by showing annoying ads - but I've declined because I hate YouTube ads so much, and also because it'd probably net me a whopping $0.05/year.

      Anyway, I created a toolbar bookmark in all my browsers with the following in the URL field:
      javascript:window.location=String(window.location).replace("watch?v=","v/");
      If you click it while watching a video on YouTube, it causes the video to fill your browser window (for better resizing control, also to get [nearly] full-screen Flash in Linux), but also has the unintended but welcome side effect that it skips the preroll adds. Obviously this won't work if the "v" parameter in the URL doesn't come first, but that's rare enough that doing it by hand isn't a nuisance.

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    50. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely - I would pay for this in an instant.

      I assume the problem would be distributing that money to the people who feel they "deserve" that advertising revenue they're not getting anymore. You'd think it would go to people whose content the end user desires, but that doesn't change the click-bait equation: people producing content just to get users to request it before realizing it's crap. Go by volume of data transferred and it only gets a hundred times worse: Netflix gets the biggest chunk then everyone else tries to make their content as bloated as possible.

    51. Re:$230 by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      I would be very interested to see the analytics supporting the notion that people were clicking enough ads

      Its trivial to track for a webmaster, Google Adwords + Analytics do 99.9% of the work out of the box with a couple mouse clicks, and it most certainly does work well for the marketing using the ads if done properly.

      You can waste money on ads, but figuring out if they are working, how well they are working and how much money you are making as a result of ad clickthroughs has been a solved problem for several years.

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    52. Re:$230 by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      74193 gage views or ad views per year? At the start, you're talking ad views in the context of CPM. Then you switch over to page views. I don't see an explicit conversion from ads to pages. What ads/page factor were you using to do this conversion? Hopefully not 1/1, because that doesn't seem representative of most websites.

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    53. Re:$230 by almitydave · · Score: 1

      Assuming how many ads per page? One? If most pages have more than one, that 200 could come down to a more reasonable number. I'd think less than 50/day is achievable for the average internet surfer.

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    54. Re: $230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you have a browser open and running with speakers on running on a server?

      I shut off my work computers every night because having them run is useless; however, my server in my basement (it runs Debian) runs constantly.

    55. Re:$230 by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      Don't forget self-destructing cookies, ghostery (yes, yes, I know, but it does it's job), better privacy, privacy badger and smart referer.

    56. Re:$230 by Dahan · · Score: 1

      I thought I recalled it being built into firefox.

      It is: Tools -> Add-ons, Plugins page, change the Shockwave Flash plugin to "Ask to activate". You can also configure per-host exceptions by clicking the globe/padlock icon in the address bar -> More Information -> Permissions tab.

    57. Re:$230 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, DuckDuckGo sounds good. Sounds like they certainly don't actively track you. But I don't see them bragging that they "keep no data to hand over in the first place"

      They don't use tracking cookies (their preferences cookies are not identifying, they're just a string of your options, if you've set them), so the most data that they can have for identifying you is the IP address. They've been SSL by default (redirecting from http to https and defaulting to https in search results where available, for example on Wikipedia) for a long time, so you don't suddenly jump into an unencrypted connection as soon as you leave.

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    58. Re:$230 by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      Try DuckDuckGo. No ads, no tracking, no Microsoft.

    59. Re:$230 by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Shh, you'll summon APK, you fool!

      I can't believe this adblock is so popular with all the problems people bring up.

      What problems? With AdBlock? It's set-and-forget.

      With NoScript? After the first time you go to a page and whitelist a couple domains you don't probably have to worry about that either, until they change how their site serves things. Admittedly it can be a bit of a hunt-and-click-fest the first time you go to a site with a million crossscripted domains, but that's the price you pay.

      Is manually editing a text file supposed to be easier? I haven't shelled out the cash for ApkHostsFileOrgasmicEditor9000.

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    60. Re:$230 by Dunkirk · · Score: 4, Funny

      Few people, other than web addicts, browse more than 200 pages / day.

      Hello. My name is Dunkirk, and I have a problem.

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    61. Re:$230 by causality · · Score: 2

      Don't get me wrong, DuckDuckGo sounds good. Sounds like they certainly don't actively track you. But I don't see them bragging that they "keep no data to hand over in the first place"

      They don't use tracking cookies (their preferences cookies are not identifying, they're just a string of your options, if you've set them), so the most data that they can have for identifying you is the IP address. They've been SSL by default (redirecting from http to https and defaulting to https in search results where available, for example on Wikipedia) for a long time, so you don't suddenly jump into an unencrypted connection as soon as you leave.

      It sounds much better than any other US-based search engine I'm aware of. But my own preference doesn't even log an IP address since 2009. You can also bookmark a URL generated with your preferences so there is no need to accept even preference cookies from them (and preferences include options like using POST instead of GET so search terms stay out of other sites' logs). And the aforementioned deal about being outside US jurisdiction is nice too.

      DuckDuckGo also does not appear to offer to act as your Web proxy like Startpage will do. I rarely ever use this feature but it's nice that they would offer it. Startpage also offers the option to act as your proxy only for image/video searches, so other sites don't even get that data from you. This is what I like about them: they not only don't log and track you themselves, they also go out of their way to enhance your privacy against third-party sites.

      I'm not knocking DuckDuckGo by any means; in my opinion it's good but Startpage/Ixquick is great. Yet, I think all of us benefit from having multiple privacy-conscious options available. Choice is a good thing.

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    62. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never seen a web page with more than one ad per page?

    63. Re:$230 by Polo · · Score: 1

      That sounds good, I'll sign up for the Gold Plan.

              (turns can of Pepsi so it faces forward in the browser window)

      Although the Bronze plan with adblocker might be doable.

              (has anyone seen my Subway gift card? I'm going for lunch)

      By the way, your post is pretty funny, too bad I don't have mod points.

    64. Re:$230 by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      so the channels have to choose between "annoying" and "none".

      Thats not correct. They can choose between interstitial ads (in the middle of the stream), which Trump does for instance, non-skippable ads, banner ads which can be closed, and ads at the start of random videos.

      Each channel has different settings on these.

    65. Re:$230 by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      That's assuming there is only one ad per page.

      This page here has 4. That's only reading 50 ./ stories
      Until you take into account going back to the main page between stories. That's another 4 ads, so only 25 stories.

      I just took a quick look at my local news website, 13 ads on the main page, 8 on an article.
      200 ads is less than 10 articles.

    66. Re:$230 by nukenerd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would be very interested to see the analytics supporting the notion that people were clicking enough ads

      Its trivial to track for a webmaster ... You can waste money on ads, but figuring out ... how well they are working and how much money you are making as a result of ad clickthroughs has been a solved problem

      I think that the GP in his post as a whole was talking about the wider picture, not just whether a Webmaster was making money by click-throughs. The wider picture is whether people actually buy stuff even if they do click through.

    67. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is your computer on and browsing, with the speakers on, in the middle of the night when you're not using it?

      Who says he's not using the computer? Have you never run a program that took more than a few hours, if not days, to finish?

      If you're leaving your computer on so it can finish that job, you might as well keep the browser open too. Why spend a second closing the browser when you go to bed, if it just mean you'll have to spend (a lot more than) a few seconds to start it up again and load all its tabs when you wake up? It's much easier to just go to bed.

      I wouldn't be surprised if his mail client is running too. An IDE too, if he's a programmer. Maybe even an IM-client.

      In other words: All the stuff you're using all the time and don't want to spend a couple of minutes starting when you wake up.

      If you're going to do this, you deserve all you get. Along with what it does to your bandwidth and electricity bill.

      Speaking of bandwidth, that could also be the reason he keeps his computer on. He could be seeding Linux ISOs or maybe he's running a Tor-node.

    68. Re:$230 by i.kazmi · · Score: 0

      When you decide to go to a website by either clicking on a link to said website or manually typing its url into your browser, you agree to purchase the content the producer is selling...the adverts are the price you pay, sure there are some altruistic folk out there who'd give stuff away for free but that's not generally how the world works...If you don't like the asking price, you are free to not visit a particular website, no one is holding a gun to your head

    69. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might I suggest splitting that $5 into $4.50 for the block list maintainers and $0.50 for the software that applies the list? Heck, uBlock won't even take your $5.

    70. Re:$230 by kryliss · · Score: 2

      Slashdot has ads? Oh.. wait.. Yep.. Adblock is on. Wow, when did Slashdot start with the ads?

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    71. Re: $230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one clicks on the links. The articles are never read. This is slashdot.

    72. Re:$230 by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Something like flattr seems to be the best solution. You pay a set amount per month, then it tracks the pages you visit, and splits the set amount among them all. (Flattr requires you to click a button.) While the transaction amounts from individual users to individual sites will generally be small the total amounts are large enough that payment processing fees are not a huge issue. (IIRC, flattr takes a 10% fee. I have no association with flattr, they're just the only service I know of that works in this manner.)

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    73. Re: $230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like a pedophile. What are you hiding?

    74. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Few people, other than web addicts, browse more than 200 pages / day.

      Or people who work on the web and use the web for work, I'll hit 200 pages in just my working hours.

    75. Re: $230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In their own opinion, all advertisers are "good" advertisers.

    76. Re:$230 by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      > I'm convinced that ad based funding is a bubble waiting to pop.

      Yes, and I'm convinced the Internet is a fad. As soon as we're no longer interested in porn the Internet will go away.

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    77. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was referring to advertisements masquerading as stories.

      No, noscript does not block them. Not unless you have greasemonkey set to filter out posts by Timothy. ;)

    78. Re:$230 by ediron2 · · Score: 1

      We should get t-shirts and a secret handshake (how about SYN-ACK-ACKSYNACK).

      Reminds me of years ago when a telephone surveyor asked me how much time I spent online. "Ahh... um... 15 hours" "Per week?" "Per day." "..(long silence)..."

    79. Re:$230 by TWX · · Score: 2

      Hosts files don't get updated with each new iteration of problem sites unless I subscribe to something to do that, and I don't run as a sysop-level account for general-purpose usage on any boxes that I own, so doing updates would be more difficult.

      I have some sites manually blocked on my NAT router, but again, it's a keeping-up-with-updates issue.

      Adblock runs seamlessly. Some websites complain but not most.

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    80. Re:$230 by Mousit · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also FWIW, Adblock Plus by default blocks YouTube ads. Has for a long, long time. I haven't seen a YouTube ad in so many years I literally tend to forget it even HAS them.

      Occasionally jars me when I see people complaining about how horrible YouTube ads are and it reminds me "oh yeeeaaah.." :)

    81. Re: $230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like a sheep. None of your business what someone's hiding. Just respect people's privacy.

    82. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool trick, I'll have to add that to my bookmarks at home.

      Also...

      Obviously this won't work if the "v" parameter in the URL doesn't come first

      ...now it will:

      javascript:window.location=String(window.location).replace(/watch(\?|.*\W)v=/,'v/')

    83. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Few people, other than web addicts, browse more than 200 pages / day.

      Hmm, never thought about porn in terms of pages / day.,

    84. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me again. My previous addition worked for any delimiter, but in the off chance there are more parameters after v (list, t), and they were separated by semi-colons, youtube would shit the bed.

      javascript:window.location=String(window.location).replace(/;/g,'&').replace(/watch(\?|.*\W)v=/,'v/')

    85. Re:$230 by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      You can also take a Youtube URL (with the exception of VEVO), And enter it into VLC: Media->Open Network stream

      Where it will play without ads.

      As a side benefit, since VLC wasn't coded using garbage, like Adobe Flash is, the video won't stutter and stall on older PCs.

    86. Re:$230 by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Your comment about fullscreen Flash in Linux caught my eye. I've had proper hardware-accelerated fullscreen Flash for years, it works perfectly apart from not automatically disabling my screensaver (but that's a really minor annoyance. I'm using an nVidia GPU with the proprietary driver, though. That probably makes a difference.

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    87. Re:$230 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      DuckDuckGo also does not appear to offer to act as your Web proxy like Startpage will do.

      No, because if they did then they'd be able to track all of your browsing. They don't wish to do this...

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    88. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regular expressions make everything slightly better :
      javascript:window.location=String(window.location).replace(/\/watch\?(.*)v=(.*)/,"/v/$2&$1");
      Now works even if v is not the first argument, and add a pointless & at the end of the url if it is.

    89. Re:$230 by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      so the channels have to choose between "annoying" and "none".

      Thats not correct. They can choose between interstitial ads (in the middle of the stream), which Trump does for instance, non-skippable ads, banner ads which can be closed, and ads at the start of random videos.

      Each channel has different settings on these.

      Yep, and all of those are *right in the video* which makes them annoying. Stick them outside of the content, like traditional Google text ads usually are and that would qualify as "not annoying".

    90. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's so much wrong with the parent post that it would take more text to point out the errors than the post itself. Thus, I won't do it. My time is better spent elsewhere.

    91. Re:$230 by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm convinced that ad based funding is a bubble waiting to pop.

      Congratulations on learning the lessons of history! You must have been paying attention to past trends in print media, which in this case are completely applicable to the modern technology.

      I almost never watch anything on youtube anymore.

      I haven't seen an ad on youtube in ages. I have a youtube adblocker on my android phone (via Xposed Framework) and I use adblock on desktops.

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    92. Re:$230 by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      What we really need to do is start using a distributed search engine.

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    93. Re:$230 by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Why are they running a server in their bedroom where they sleep?

      Sounds like something a 7 year old living with his momma might do.

    94. Re:$230 by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Maybe he should stop taking his work to his bedroom?

    95. Re:$230 by dataspel · · Score: 1

      I can't mod this up any higher, so: Haha too funny!

    96. Re:$230 by almitydave · · Score: 1

      In Linux, I have this problem. The performance of Flash is fine. More generally, the toolbar bookmark allows the video to be sized arbitrarily based on the browser. This is nice in Chrome, which has a minimal GUI, and allows a really flexible video window.

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    97. Re:$230 by almitydave · · Score: 1

      Regular expressions make everything slightly better :
      javascript:window.location=String(window.location).replace(/\/watch\?(.*)v=(.*)/,"/v/$2&$1");
      Now works even if v is not the first argument, and add a pointless & at the end of the url if it is.

      FWIW, I originally had a regular expression to try to extract the video id parameter (something like v=([\w\d-]{11})), but it didn't properly preserve other parameters. Yours is better! I was going to say you needed to change the first & to a ?, but apparently youtube doesn't care. Also the last ampersand doesn't matter, but in case someone is as needlessly pedantic as I am, here's the version that makes them all pretty, which passed all my test cases:

      javascript:window.location=String(window.location).replace(/\/watch\?(.*)v=(.*)/,"/v/$2&$1").replace(/&$/,"").replace(/&/,"?");

      The way these can all fail is if youtube introduces a different URL parameter that ends in the letter "v".

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    98. Re:$230 by RealRaven2000 · · Score: 1

      ...except when I am watching on my mobile.

    99. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alturnatively what I do is uninstall Flash, set the Youtube HTML5 player cookie, install the FlashGot extention in Firefox, when i load a video page the flashgot icon appears, I click itand select the quality level and format of the video I wish to view it in, usually 1080p in .webm and hit download and close the window. The video saves to my downloads folder and I can start watching it as it downloads in any video player I like.

      Doing so means I get the best possible viewing experience and also allows me to watch flagged as adult content videos without having to make a Google acount.

    100. re: $230 by graphius · · Score: 1

      posting to fix a botched moderation, but also to say that I don't follow the methodology in the summary (no I have not RTFA). Just because advertisers are paying doesn't mean USERS are paying anywhere near that amount. I understand advertising and marketing better than many, but I I think most companies pay too much for advertising for too small a payback.

    101. Re:$230 by graphius · · Score: 1

      I think some sites should try direct sponsorships with a single or a few corporations.

      or going the other way, maybe we could try to guess peoples wants and then just show specific ads on a site catered to that guessed want. We could call this process "targeting ads" Unfortunately I am not sure how well we could guess the wants of random users...

    102. Re:$230 by graphius · · Score: 1

      no, I only turn on my speakers when I want to hear something, like watching a video...

    103. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting.. I also leave my computer on, though it does hibernate from time to time, but I've never gotten sound from an inactive tab. I use Firefox though. I wonder if this is something peculiar to chrome, which makes me further wonder if it's something chrome does to help google advertise..

    104. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is yet another one of your functions, a lot heavier, but it always works in any situation that I can think of.

      Readable version:
      (function(search){
          var fragments = search.substr(1).split('&'),
              length = fragments.length,
              vid = '',
              url = '',
              query = [];

          for (var i = 0, key, value; i < length; i++) {
              [key,value] = fragments[i].split('=');
              if (key == 'v') {
                  vid = value;
              } else {
                  query.push(fragments[i]);
              }
          }

          url = vid.length ? '/v/' + vid : '';
          url += query.length ? ('?' + query.join('&')) : '';

          if (url.length) window.location = url;
      })(window.location.search);

      Compressed version:
      (function(e){var t=e.substr(1).split("&"),n=t.length,r="",i="",s=[];for(var o=0,u,a;o<n;o++){[u,a]=t[o].split("=");if(u=="v"){r=a}else{s.push(t[o])}}i=r.length?"/v/"+r:"";i+=s.length?"?"+s.join("&"):"";if(i.length)window.location=i})(window.location.search)

    105. Re:$230 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much stuff have you bought due to ads? Zero here.

      You obviously don't really understand marketing Theory then.

      I'm convinced that ad based funding is a bubble waiting to pop. I would be very interested to see the analytics supporting the notion that people were clicking enough ads (or influenced by the ads)

      Just like the ad bubble which supports TV and radio ads is just ready to pop. Again, just because you don't understand Marketing Theory doesn't mean it's wrong.
      And more to the point, whether or not it has any merit, as long as the people paying to advertise believe it works, it will continue to be a viable funding source.

      How are people like google supposed to make money, exactly? The only two viable business models so far are to sell Ad space or to sell user information/data. Come up with a solution to this problem and not only will ads go away, you'll be filthy fucking rich.

    106. Re:$230 by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I see, that's a very odd issue. Obviously I haven't encountered it since I run a single monitor setup.

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    107. Re:$230 by allo · · Score: 1

      i do the same using only noscript. there is a setting to disallow flash even on temp / whitelist sites until it's clicked.

  2. That's it? by peragrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering that cable modems are $50 a month for capped services. Another 30% higher is nothing.

    Considering that more viruses are transmitted by ads now than on their own it gets even scarier. Adblock and no script do more to keep viruses out of your stuff than antivirus.

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    1. Re:That's it? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, this whole scheme requires someone to define what an ad is and get participation from very single website on the planet. If Coke wants to sponsor a site and has a banner in the header that originates from that site's server, how would that be stopped?

    2. Re:That's it? by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Adblock and no script do more to keep viruses out of your stuff than antivirus.

      That's actually a very good point. I haven't had a single alert from the AV component of my security suite (software on PC, host and hardware firewalls, etc.) for longer than I can remember, and that was a false positive from an installer. Then again, I whitelist cookies, JavaScript, Flash, etc., block all ads, treat all links/files I get sent with a healthy degree of skepticism, and don't tend to visit sites usually regarded as "suspect" (compromised is another matter, of course), so even the likes of SpyBot S&D and CCleaner seldom flag anything. Given how ineffectual AV is against the latest 0-day vulnerabilites and drive-bys, I'm giving serious thought to just switching off the real-time scanner and running a manual scan every week or so for peace of mind.

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    3. Re:That's it? by xorsyst · · Score: 1

      This was a uk study - we get phone, unlimited fibre and unlimited calls for about $60/m. Why would I pay more to avoid the adverts I already block?

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    4. Re:That's it? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Even worse, how is the money distributed? Who determines the "worth" of a web site or other online resource, and then allocates them their cut?

      The current free-market system with sites supported by ads isn't perfect, but it's like democracy - Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

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    5. Re:That's it? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Considering that dial-up modems are self-capping I would love to avoid the ads.

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    6. Re:That's it? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Good point, I'm sure the cost of all that coordination was completely left out of the estimate.

    7. Re:That's it? by TWX · · Score: 1

      Even worse, how is the money distributed? Who determines the "worth" of a web site or other online resource, and then allocates them their cut?
      The current free-market system with sites supported by ads isn't perfect, but it's like democracy - Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

      This is it in a nutshell, it's a bottom-up approach rather than top-down.

      And it's not really Democracy, it's Capitalism. Literally, what's it worth to you to get to this content? Right now the burden on what it's worth to one is generally low with ads, but as the ads get more annoying the barriers get higher.

      I look at it similarly to websites that only want you to get X pageviews per month without signing up or buying a subscription- I'm just not going to bother reading their content. For the time-waste that I'm engaging in using the Internet as opposed to going outside and doing something worthwhile, there's no need to commit like that.

      As for ads themselves, if ads were as unobtrusive as they are in print then I probably wouldn't run adblock, but animated ads, ads with sound, ads that move around the screen, ads that remain fixed in place when the window scrolls, etc, all annoying.

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    8. Re:That's it? by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Even worse, how is the money distributed? Who determines the "worth" of a web site or other online resource, and then allocates them their cut?

      The current free-market system with sites supported by ads isn't perfect, but it's like democracy - Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

      One can imagine (but probably not implement) a system where an ISP would maintain a "client access system" that signaled to compatible web sites that the user was willing to pay for content services. The signal would provide how much the user is willing to pay (to allow for ISPs to maintain different tiers) and the web site would, in return, defer ads and other annoyances for users who were willing to pay enough. Leave it up to the sites to say how much that threshold is, and leave it up to the ISPs to set the tiers and track the usage (like they dont do these two things already?) and lastly, divvy up the money. The free market still has a say in what sites are visited and what users are willing to pay.

      But then the problems roll in: malware that forces site usage in the background. Sites that take your money but don't give a higher quality of service... And last but probably not least: users who have no idea how a system this convoluted works at all, and make very poor spending decisions with their capital.

    9. Re:That's it? by Barny · · Score: 1

      Who determines the "worth" of a web site or other online resource, and then allocates them their cut?

      Easy, take the amount of cat videos on each and every web site and then divide the money even... wait a second, google would get nearly all of it... on the other hand, best to just give it all to them and let them rule, can't be worse than any government (in any country you could pick).

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    10. Re:That's it? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Why would I pay more to avoid the adverts I already block?

      So that you can continue to use the web as more sites deploy ad-blocker blockers.

    11. Re:That's it? by RichardJenkins · · Score: 1

      Without a TPM or asking questions about the ads that the user has seen, ad-blocker blockers are ultimately fallible.

    12. Re:That's it? by allo · · Score: 1

      have a look at flattr. you pay a fixed amount anyway, whether you spend it or not. if you like something, you click a button, in the end of the month, your money gets distributed. that way, the click does not cost anything you don't pay anyway, so you can click without thinking about the cost.

    13. Re:That's it? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Websites that link in 10 or 20 other domains already make me suspicious enough to wonder if I should avoid them before they avoid me.

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    14. Re:That's it? by allo · · Score: 1

      They cannot win. There are more people with the urge to block, than adblocker-blockers.
      The best they can get, is to lose the adblocking visitors.

      you followed the story about gmx, 1&1 and other united internet services, which called adblock a malware? Except from streisand, they got a very bad reputation in the media as well.

    15. Re:That's it? by mlts · · Score: 1

      I wonder about a clearinghouse. Pay them something a month, and you can access member websites either via a client certificate or a tag that you put on the URL end when going to a clearinghouse's client site that checks to see if the user is authenticated, but can't ask for anything more than that (i.e. no user info from the clearinghouse.) Then, the member sites get paid for every page view from the clearinghouse.

      Of course, this is ripe for abuse, be it scripts that rapidly reload pages, to malware swapping one site's ID for another, but it would be an answer to ads.

    16. Re:That's it? by mlts · · Score: 1

      If push comes to shove, websites will win. They can embed the whole site in a DRM-ed Flash or Silverlight wrapper, or with how advanced browser fingerprinting is, permanently blacklist that user and computer from the site, perhaps sharing the blacklist with other sites as a deterrent.

      You don't need a TPM to fingerprint a user. EFF's panopticlick will make it quite obvious that most users have quite a unique browser fingerprint, and that is without using the canvas function.

    17. Re:That's it? by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      That would be pretty straightforward to organise - add up the $20 a month from all subscribers, then divide it based on clicks.

      So let's say there's a userbase of a million people, that's $20 million per month. In total they click on websites a billion times during that month. The value per click is therefore 2 cents. So just distribute the funds to those websites which have signed up to be ad free to those subscribers, with say a minimum $10 payment (it would roll over month by month). A website that gets a million clicks through that ISP would then be paid $20,000 each month, on top of non advert related revenue.

      ISPs are in a uniquely good position to track authentic clicks as well, so the potential for fraud would be minimal.

      This is all purely academic as long as adblocking software exists in any case. If I don't want to see ads, I don't see ads, and I don't have to pay a cent for it.

    18. Re:That's it? by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      Which is why we use ad-blocker blocker blockers, duh!

    19. Re:That's it? by GNious · · Score: 1

      I don't think you're looking at this the right way....

      Ads are per-site.
      Those sites are generally free (ignoring the various ads).

      To pay for an "ad-free internet", you would pay the sites you use directly, to get an ad-free experience with them.
      You use YouTube? Pay them 3GBP/month.
      You use Slashdot? Pay them 1GBP/month.
      You use Reddit? ...uki, they should then pay you...
      You use The Daily Mail? Pay them 9.99GBP/month. ...and so on. Eventually, the internet bits that you use, are ad-free for you.

      Yes, this doesn't make the complete internet ad-free, but it makes everything you use on the internet ad-free; your experience becomes an ad-free one.
      No issues with a central collection and distribution, no licensing headaches, no cumbersome barrier-of-entry for new sites, and still the presence of this "democracy" thing you talk about.

      Note: The idea of for-pay TV (Satellite TV in the form of Sky) was that the consumers would pay directly, and not have any ads ... not sure that worked out very well.

    20. Re:That's it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also keep in mind many block lists ALSO include known malware domains...

    21. Re:That's it? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      All modems are self capping. Unless their is an infinity bandwidth modem I am unaware of.

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    22. Re:That's it? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Let's for the sake of argument assume that every site has subscription/micro-payment options and that they don't care where the money comes from so the ad free cost equals their ad revenue. And that it's so convenient and secure it's basically transparent, you pay $230/year and all your ads go away. And let's forget that we'd essentially be competing with the ad industry, probably causing a price spike. The underlying issue at least according to this survey is that no matter what, people don't want to pay that much.

      I'm not surprised, a lot of people become extremely stingy online. I remember all the bitching that iTunes charged you 99c for a hit track, when the other legal alternatives were much, much worse. A lot of people swore to downloading MP3s to save money. I think a lot of it is that on the Internet, nobody can see that you're poor or a cheapskate. Nobody knows that your water cooler talk came from something you downloaded from TPB rather than premium cable. I just checked /. subscription options and I could pay $5 for 1000 ad free pages, do I? Nope. If I extrapolate then $230 should be 46000 web pages, no doubt I could pay my way to an ad free web.

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    23. Re:That's it? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but how do handle sites that didn't have ads before the system is implemented? For instance, I don't have ads on my personal websites, because it costs me almost nothing to run them and I feel that it's a more enjoyable experience for everybody involved if I just don't have ads. But if none of the sites had ads, I would probably want a piece of the money that goes to sites without ads. It's only fair.

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    24. Re:That's it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      look it really wouldn't be that hard to calculate, relative terms. higher traffic'd sites get a higher rate, you visit the site they get their fraction of a penny. It's actually already how it works out today. A few of the many problems are... Marketing people are assholes (really skum of the earth) and they wouldn't care that you paid some fee to get rid of ads on the internet, they'll find some way to more invasively barrage you with advertising until people actually stop buying the crap. Businesses are still in this to maximize profits, they'll just do what they are doing already and hide advertisements in content.

      I'm fine with things now, I'll run adblock and noscript and the people to lazy to figure out how to use them can pay my way, there's no site on here I couldn't live without. I miss the way things were before the internet grew to be corporate, except the speed of course, but I don't and won't see ads anyways.

    25. Re:That's it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see why browser fingerprinting isn't defeatable. All it takes is the ability to spoof and randomise all the input data. Or even better, for panopticlick to open up their database and allow people to share the most common fingerprints. It does make me wonder why there havn't been any serious attempts to defeat it, probably because everyone is still in the obsolete mindset of script blocking.

    26. Re:That's it? by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      While I agree that it's technically possible to prevent ad-blocking, it's not at all practical. With a few very rare exceptions, all the site stands to save by going to such lengths is the trivial cost of the network traffic. DRM isn't going to convert a significant number of ad-blocking casual visitors to paying customers, and the cost of implementing the system, not to mention loss of otherwise paying customers inconvenienced by the DRM, and even free word-of-mouth advertising from non-paying visitors, would be well in excess of any potential benefit.

      Moreover, the users who block ads aren't really the ones you want to advertise to anyway. They're certainly not going to click on the ads and are less likely to be favorably influenced. I, for one, tend to keep track of the more obnoxious advertisers just so that I can be sure to avoid their products, so getting through the blocks will tend to hurt a brand more than it helps. Even if there was a foolproof way of ensuring that visitors see your ads, I suspect that over the long term it would only dilute the value of each ad rather than bringing in extra net income.

      Going back to the article, they measured the cost of advertising by businesses in the U.K., but did they happen to check how much of that advertising was actually directed at U.K. residents?

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    27. Re:That's it? by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Yep, I would consider this a bargain. According to TFS:

      In a survey, 98% of consumers said they wouldn't be willing to pay that much for the ability to browse without advertisements.

      Obviously those folks are not considering all the concomitant pollution of the Internet as a whole that results from entire advertisement funding model. SEO poisoning (and attempts), click bait, adware, slow loading pages and pop-ups and all the rest. Sure, you can mitigate some of that with things like adblock and noscript and putting the Flash plug-in into "Always ask" mode, but that just escalates the war for eyeball revenue, browser hijacking adware, and all those copycat domain registrations put up just to get ad revenue from URL typos.

      I think the whole ad supported model is doomed to implode anyway. The ads don't work, and right now Google and Facebook are actually considered high-value stocks on nothing but the ability to sell ads. Eventually the advertisers will wise up, and it will all crash. It's happening to newspapers right now. And that's moved to TV and the Internet because that's where the eyeballs are. But who actually spends money based on those ads they see? Are companies really getting the value they think they buying them? What happens when they find out they've been wasting their marketing budgets on it?

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    28. Re:That's it? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      The current free-market system with sites supported by ads isn't perfect, but it's like democracy

      Democracy is it? Where do I get to vote?

    29. Re:That's it? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      How would that be ad-free? If you pay for a paper copy of the Daily Mail you get ads. Also, you are assuming I only use You-Tube, Slashdot. Reddit or the Daily Mail. I fact I use many different websites so without paying a fortune in ad-free subs I would see many ads.

    30. Re:That's it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

      I hear this a lot but I'm going to have to call "Citation needed" on this rumour. Indeed, while I consider monarchy terrible, I certainly couldn't describe it as worse than democracy (unless you're talking about old-school Greek democracy where politicians were determined by lottery).

    31. Re:That's it? by GNious · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you pay for a paper-copy of the Mail, you get ads ... and paper ... Naturally, this would only work if you could buy an ad-free service, i.e. it would be dependent on the content-provider to be willing to sell you an ad-free product; This is why I noted that sat-tv used to be ad-free, due to people paying for it, but contains ads despite the subscription fees.

      Also, at rates of 1-10GBP, there is room for more than 4 sites before you hit 140GBP - I didn't enumerate every site on the planet, just some examples. I'm sure some are already ad-free, some have ads you do not mind or that you can ignore, so you could chose to only pay a subscription at those site where it would help you the most?

    32. Re:That's it? by LienRag · · Score: 1

      Patreon?
      It should be a public service, by the way...

    33. Re:That's it? by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      I don't see why the metric would change. It could still be based on traffic volume. Obviously you couldn't trust the site owner to report visits/clicks, so some sort of ISP monitoring would be required. And with some sort of site owner grievance process if they suspect the ISP of not reporting traffic correctly.

  3. I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    Not sure how the 3rd world countries would do, but I can imagine it'd be okay with free AD-based internet for them, but for the rest of us who's just FED up with endless load times on our smartphones when it comes to Flash-Ads, or YouTube Ads etc. (yeah yeah, I know about adblocker, but consider that a lot of the sites refuse to work if you have one of those).

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    1. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know, there was a day, not so long ago, when the internet worked just fine and had very few ads. The ads aren't paying for "the internet". They're paying for people to "work the internet" full time, and it's not very clear how much value they're adding. I'm sure there'd be a loss if we found an effective way of stopping ads, but I don't think it'd be that great for the parts of the internet that make the ISP fee worthwhile. Every loser with a blog and a webcam now loads his page with as many ads as he thinks he can shove down at you, ideally before you see that hte content wasn't what you thought it was, was inane, or was otherwise useless.

      20 years ago you could come online and find useful information. Now even the mighty google takes some working over to get through the corporate cruft, click baiting and paid advertisements to get what you came looking for. Even if you could pay to have the ads shut off, you're basically paying ransom to a criminal who holds all the cards.

    2. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The study only looked at how much advertisers spent on Internet now.
      It just assumes that all of those ad-driven services are desirable and that they are working at minimum profit.
      There are plenty of questions to answer still. Will cutting advertising in half just reduce profit or will pages start going away? Will anything of value be lost or only the crap pages?
      Will news pages be unable to do proper journalism and source verification at some point or have they stopped doing that years ago so that they can easily be replaced by a free blog without anything of value being lost?

      I know that the parts of Internet that I appreciate the most have comparably small user bases and are either run by "some dude with a server in the closet" or are funded by donations because the user base have an interest in keeping the page alive. (Community pages for old computer systems and such.)
      I often visit AD-funded pages but I can't say that I would be willing to pay to keep them afloat or that I would miss them too much if they were gone. There are always alternatives.

    3. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by mozumder · · Score: 0

      Not sure what you're talking about?

      20 years ago the internet was largely useless.

      Your Email spools were publicly readable by anyone in your campus. Gopher never took off. Web sites didn't really start to get popular until about 1994, and before that you were stuck in alt.tasteless.jokes for any sort of lolz. You couldn't find anything about fashion online. It was only for academic purposes, which are unimportant.

      It was only through the commercialization of the Internet through advertising that the Internet actually started to become useful.

      You're welcome.

    4. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Google wouldn't be there at all without advertising.

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    5. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      You couldn't find anything about fashion online

      This pretty much makes my point in 7 words. Thanks.

    6. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Also I think his moderation is unfair, it's clearly sarcasm. Either that or we've finally found Paris Hilton's slashdot ID.

    7. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      You know, there was a day, not so long ago, when the internet worked just fine

      20 years ago, the transatlantic cables were horrible and there was terrible latency issues. TCP connections would frequently fail due to timeouts.

      20 years ago you could come online and find useful information.

      20 years ago, you could log online and try to find something useful, but you would spend several hours to find what you can get now in seconds.

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    8. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't Google exist (as a search engine) without advertising. I mean, they made the engine, and monetized it later. Lacking ads, they could probably get by just fine ala Wikipedia.

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    9. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by sudon't · · Score: 1

      On average, each user would have to pay about £140 ($230)to make up for the lost revenue of an ad-free internet.

      Or, these commercial entities could just go the fuck away. I'm already paying $600 per year for "the internet." I, too, liked the internet a lot better before the commercial gold rush. And, it's these advertisers who are driving the whole spy game. It's a bullshit figure, of course:

      They looked at the amount of money spent on internet advertising last year in the U.K., and compared it to the number of U.K. internet users.

      As if we need to make up for what advertisers wanted to spend. Why not just charge us to make up the profits everyone thinks they deserve?

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    10. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by sudon't · · Score: 1

      20 years ago, you could log online and try to find something useful, but you would spend several hours to find what you can get now in seconds.

      Clearly, you and I were looking for different things. Nevertheless, while it is true that there is more "content" today, and we all have better access, that would have been the case without the commercialization of the web.

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    11. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "you're basically paying ransom to a criminal who holds all the cards."

      Agreed. And I can't believe how many people are actually considering this to be a good idea. Yes, let's all pay a tax to solve a problem that we created for ourselves and could simply stop at any time. This is the human social sphere in a nutshell.

    12. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by Zynder · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Jimmy Wales is begging for wiki money almost quarterly. Pretty much just like PBS.

    13. Re:I'd pay for it in a heartbeat! by vakuona · · Score: 1

      It could exist without advertising. But it doesn't. I am goingto go out on a limb here, but it might be because it is bloody expensive to set up and maintain a good search engine without spending lots of money, and the users would not be willing to pay that money directly, so Google really needed the advertising to make money.

      The fact that the engine came before the monetization is irrelevant and somewhat facile. Of course the produce comes first. They could hardly advertise anything before they had a search engine now could they?

      That is why they got investors and they licensed their tech to Yahoo who......drumroll please...made money off advertising. So advertising paid for Google by rewarding the investors afet the fact, and by the simple fact that Google was licensing their tech to firms who depended on advertising for revenue.

  4. Percents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    75 what per cent? 75 people/cent?

    1. Re:Percents by Paco103 · · Score: 1

      Amen! This is one of my biggest pet peeves in modern journalism. It's so common that I actually get excited when I see someone use "percent" correctly!

  5. Gladly by Fallso · · Score: 1

    I'd gladly pay the extra on top to my ISP if it meant no ads ever again.

    1. Re:Gladly by MrNemesis · · Score: 2

      Be careful what you wish for; I'm sure the ISPs would love to be able to collect tithes from users and redistribute them to all of the eligible sites that you visit. And then plaster you with ads anyway.

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    2. Re:Gladly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Remember ad free cable tv? No? Get off my lawn!

  6. Just to further this point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    IF i see a video or something that i have to sit through before i can get to my content. I instantly close it, it couldn't be that important that i need to watch an ad.

  7. missing the point by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A large portion of that ad revenue is going to sites that don't really provide any kind of value, but are spammy SEO deals. The best part of an internet with no advertising revenue (or at least a lot less of it) would be precisely that all these content farms would not be able to replace that revenue, and would hopefully go away.

    1. Re:missing the point by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quite. Also, even when a site is using ads there are usually alternatives that provide similar content for free. If we were able to wave a wand and magically remove all advertising companies from the Internet (or better still, existance in general), I suspect most ad-funded sites would try and transition to Tip Jars or subscriptions, the browsing public would re-distribute to different sites, and a number of sites would ultimately fold, including most of the ad-laden SEO landing pages. No actual content of value would be lost (although some might only continue to exist in the Wayback Machine) and life would go on, only without the ads and malware attack vectors that piggyback on it.

      Where do I sign up?

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    2. Re:missing the point by tepples · · Score: 2

      No actual content of value would be lost (although some might only continue to exist in the Wayback Machine)

      Until the subscription sites put up a robots.txt file to instruct the Wayback Machine to refuse to deliver already-archived content. For other archives that don't honor robots.txt retrospectively, a subscription site could send a notice of claimed infringement under OCILLA.

    3. Re:missing the point by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more of the sites that shutdown due to lack of funds, but yes, they could burn it all down when they shutter the site if they really wanted to be dicks about it. If they go to a subscription only model, then the content is still available, even if you have to pay the sub - it's just a personal call whether you think their version of the content is worth paying for of one of the free alternative sites meets your needs.

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    4. Re:missing the point by tepples · · Score: 1

      it's just a personal call whether you think their version of the content is worth paying for

      At $36 per article, which I've seen on several sites, I don't think a lot of people will bite.

    5. Re:missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we were able to wave a wand and magically remove all advertising companies from the Internet (or better still, existance in general)

      Unintended consequence: no free Google search. Every 1000 searches would be purchased in packs of $10 or something. Google makes money only on ads (apart from GCE now).

    6. Re:missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call bull. How many people would actually pay up? 5% of the web users at best? That means the true cost for the user (who actually spend money) be would to $4,600 if you want overly simplified calculations using the donation model. Subscriptions are a different story but many sites already try and fail with that model.

      Are you willing to have a subscription per website you visit or bother donating every time?

      Quite simply, unless you want a digital wallet and a automatic pay per page view system (like 2 cents is automatically allocated to the host for every page view), online advertisements bypasses all these problems. There are obviously website that can survive based on donation and subscriptions alone but they are very few especially for what the average consumer wants (hint: the average consumer probably isn't you or me) I highly doubt most people who are lazy will go out of their way to spend money especially when it involves alot of hassles.

  8. heh by david_barreda · · Score: 2

    Last time I seen AdBlock was free

    1. Re:heh by MindPrison · · Score: 0

      Last time I seen AdBlock was free

      A lot of times AdBlock is completely useless as the various AD companies + their customers are working around the clock to find ways around it. When they don't find a way around it, on many sites you'll be met with messages such as: We've noticed that you have an Ad Blocker, as we're depending on advertisement revenue to provide you with free services - we will kindly ask you to turn your Ad Blocker off and reload the page to see your content.

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    2. Re:heh by mysidia · · Score: 1

      We've noticed that you have an Ad Blocker, as we're depending on advertisement revenue to provide you with free services - we will kindly ask you to turn your Ad Blocker off and reload the page to see your content.

      PHASE 2: We need to get Google and other search major engines to identify sites that degrade experience for users running Adblockers, which is basically just a new form of cloaking, and either display a warning or demote them in search results.

    3. Re:heh by rwise2112 · · Score: 2

      on many sites you'll be met with messages such as: We've noticed that you have an Ad Blocker, as we're depending on advertisement revenue to provide you with free services - we will kindly ask you to turn your Ad Blocker off and reload the page to see your content.

      If they don't want me to see their content, I'm happy to oblige. On the other hand, if I know the site's content is worth it and the ads aren't too obtrusive, I might turn it off.

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      "For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert"
    4. Re:heh by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      Very rare to never actually. In a tug of war between list maintainers and advertisers, adblock definitely has the upper hand and had it for years.

      Sometimes either situation you describe happens, but that is usually fixed in days, and then takes weeks to change again.

    5. Re:heh by what2123 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, since that happens so often on the 90th percentile of sites you and everyone visits. Those "detectors" use Javascripts, not some server-side scripting. Block Javascript and those nag messages also go away.

    6. Re:heh by reikae · · Score: 1

      We probably visit wildly different kinds of web pages, as I can't remember when I last had any trouble because of Ablock+. Some pages have notices asking you to whitelist, but the main content isn't hidden.

      FWIW, I subscribe to EasyList, EasyPrivacy, Fanboy's Social Blocking List and Adblock Warning Removal List.

    7. Re:heh by alen · · Score: 1

      google hurt advertising?
      that will be the day

    8. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The obvious solution here is to load the ad but to block its display.

      This will wind the sponsors up to buggery, as they find that the record of ad views is false.

      Good.

    9. Re:heh by MindPrison · · Score: 1

      We probably visit wildly different kinds of web pages, as I can't remember when I last had any trouble because of Ablock+. Some pages have notices asking you to whitelist, but the main content isn't hidden.

      FWIW, I subscribe to EasyList, EasyPrivacy, Fanboy's Social Blocking List and Adblock Warning Removal List.

      We probably do, I usually read the local newspapers online, plus the state wide newspapers...and the "free" tv-channels (also called PLAY channels) online, they all will notify you when you're turning Ad Blocker on. But hey...different worlds, right!?

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    10. Re:heh by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      At which point I go elsewhere. Just because there's content out there doesn't mean its valuable. Most of the Internet is crap.

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    11. Re:heh by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      If they don't want me to see their content, I'm happy to oblige. On the other hand, if I know the site's content is worth it and the ads aren't too obtrusive, I might turn it off.

      This! A good example is slashdot - I don't check the box that offers me the chance to view it ad-free. It's not like the early days of the internet when we were stuck with 56k dialup modems and ads made the page take way longer to load.

      Similarly, I like reading BOfH, and I'm not going to complain about seeing a few ads that help pay for it. In my mind, it's a fair trade-off.

      As for those sites (like one of my local newspapers) that keep popping up demands that I subscribe to their digital content service or I can't read the article, fine. I'll just go elsewhere.

      I use OTA (over-the-air) for my HD TV. After all, even the cable and satellite services are running ads, even though you're already paying to see the content. And if there's nothing on the 20-some-odd channels I get, I can always go walk the dog, call family and friends, invite a neighbour to come visit, etc. Perhaps that explains why I rarely watch TV - there's just SO much else to do that's much more interesting.

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    12. Re:heh by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I've seen that "AdBlock detected" warning quite a few times. Problem is, I don't even use AdBlock. I don't know how they try to detect it but they're failing.

    13. Re:heh by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      NoScript takes care of most of those who get around Adblock. If ads still show up then I'm happy to let them pass since my primary reason for using Adblock is protection from javascript exploits and excessive bandwidth consumption from all the cross site scripts they invoke + auto-playing videos.

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    14. Re:heh by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Local newspapers are the worst. My local newspaper give you ten free page views based on ip number and then locks you out.

      I just get my news from other sources. Sooner or later they will go bankrupt. You can only pay the CEO millions o dollars a year for doing nothing for so long.

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    15. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trouble is, the sites that hassle you about adblock are exactly the same sites that have obtrusive ads with popup, pop behind and malware embedded ads like redtube and pornhub.

      I don't give a shit if redtube loses ad revenue, they basically just steal content from other porn sites and Japanese porn DVDs. But I do want to jack off.

      If redtube went bankrupt, I would just go and download those same porn rips from usenet like I used to before redtube.

      Crying about people blocking ads when they themselves are stealing from other porn companies is rich.

      What I would pay for is to have access to all the science journals of the world. I would pay $230/year, I would pay $2000/year for unlimited journal (all journals) access. I absolutely will not pay $20 or $60 an article for journal access, I read far too much for that, it would cost me well over $100k a year!

      I used to pay for IEEE Xplore, now they set an article limit of 10? per month, and exclude standards from Xplore. Guess what? now I don't pay for Xplore.

    16. Re:heh by tepples · · Score: 1

      The obvious solution here is to load the ad but to block its display.

      Which removes most of the benefit of ad blockers to people stuck behind cellular or satellite Internet with its 5 to 10 GB/mo cap.

    17. Re:heh by eam · · Score: 1

      What if we pay google to do it?

    18. Re:heh by allo · · Score: 1

      as google text ads are considered not to obstrusive, google would happily degrate sites with many image/flash/... banners

    19. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a filter list for that: Adblock Warning Removal List

      I must say the most annoying popups are not even ads. I mean these incredibly stupid EU-mandated cookie warnings (if I didn't want cookies I'd set up my browser to reject them). Fortunately there's a filter list for them too: Prebake

    20. Re:heh by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      Element hiding helper, solves the edge cases pretty easily.

    21. Re:heh by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I wonder if ad block, et. al. is actually making it worse.
      Fewer people get ads, websites need more ads for to make the same money from fewer people. aka, the people without ad block.

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    22. Re:heh by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      The next step would be to load the ad, display it, but the user could close their eyes.

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    23. Re:heh by causality · · Score: 1

      Local newspapers are the worst. My local newspaper give you ten free page views based on ip number and then locks you out.

      Precisely because they are small and local, they probably wouldn't bother identifying TOR users. As a bonus you wouldn't be accessing this major multinational site where tens of thousands of others had the same idea and already got the exit node IPs banned.

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    24. Re:heh by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      n many sites you'll be met with messages such as: We've noticed that you have an Ad Blocker, as we're depending on advertisement revenue to provide you with free services - we will kindly ask you to turn your Ad Blocker off and reload the page to see your content.

      I don't think I've ever seen that message.

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    25. Re:heh by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      on many sites you'll be met with messages such as:

      Sounds to me like you just have a poor taste in websites.

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    26. Re:heh by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Most of the time, yeah. Occasionally you'll run into a site that puts ads in a plain unnamed <li> or something such that there's "nothing to block" that won't destroy the page.

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    27. Re:heh by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is a bad example. Back when it was owned in Ann Arbor, I kept ads on - to reward the site for giving me value.

      Since the buyout by Dice, I now check the box to hide the ads. They are a large for profit company, they can live just fine without my ad hits. Oh, and most of the ads I do see on this site are for other Dice sites. I don't want to reward bad behavior.

    28. Re:heh by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      It does of course. When a vampire can't get enough blood because there are fewer victims, he'll draw more blood from each individual victim to compensate.

      And of course, the blood of those who no one ever gets to suck from becomes a prized delicacy.

    29. Re:heh by mysidia · · Score: 1

      google hurt advertising?
      that will be the day

      AdBlocker targets annoying ads such as popups, skyscrapers, floating ads, obtrusive word underlying, deceptive practices, graphical banners, java, flash ads.

      Simple text ads, such as what Google uses are not generally harmed.

  9. Umm, wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use links,lynx web browsers. What ads!

    1. Re:Umm, wrong? by MindPrison · · Score: 1

      Use links,lynx web browsers. What ads!

      Been there, done that. I doesn't work quite so simple. While Lynx doesn't show the graphical content, it many times fail to filter out the code used to display the ads, and it includes the links anyway - so you'll have to fight endless links and navigate trough lots of garbage just to read a little content.

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  10. I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the web site owners can't afford their own sites, then it is their own fault, not the Internet users. We already pay an ISP for having access to the web...

    1. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the FCC should create so called 'fast lanes' for people willing to pay extra?

  11. Who still sees ads in 2014? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock or similar hosts file manager is the first thing I install on every new device I acquire. It's the first thing I recommend to everyone I know when they get a new device. Who sees ads with this easy, free technology available everywhere?

    1. Re:Who still sees ads in 2014? by tepples · · Score: 1

      That's fine if you access the Internet only through a desktop PC. But hosts file managers don't work on unrooted tablets and phones, and a lot of people aren't willing to sell a tablet or phone just to buy an easily rootable one.

    2. Re:Who still sees ads in 2014? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would almost have to use some kind of VPN back to your home network, and connect through a proxy that you controlled.

    3. Re:Who still sees ads in 2014? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox for Android supports an adblock plugin, no root needed.
      Still nowhere near as good as rooting and using system level adblock as it only works with the browser.

  12. Browser add-ons are your friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would be cheaper just to donate to the various add blocker type programs.

  13. Does that include ad-motivated tracking? by wiwa · · Score: 1

    If it's just static ads then whatever. But if it means I don't have to worry about facebook, google and a million other sites tracking me so they can sell me to advertisers, then I'd sign up for this in a heartbeat!

    But it's never going to happen. It's impossible to coordinate.

    1. Re:Does that include ad-motivated tracking? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      But it's never going to happen. It's impossible to coordinate.

      And, another one word reason: Google.

  14. Bad Study by visualight · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A good study would provide a description of what the internet would look like without ads. My intuition is that I'd be just fine with the only content available being content that did not seek a revenue stream. I thought the internet was better back then anyway.

    It's also a pointless study because it's never going to happen. I'd guess the only reason it was done is to support the idea that ad blockers and no script are "bad". Oh wait it was conducted by an ad platform.

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    1. Re:Bad Study by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      The thing is, companies will normally go the route that will maximize profit.
      So if you were to pay the $230 for the Add free internet. Then how will that money be distributed. Per click, length of time on the page, the amount of data transferred to your system?

      Depending how the content providers will get paid for their pages, they will modify their pages for maximum profit. Either making a lot of small pages (presentation) to maximize the clicks. Or make a long winded stories to maximize the time spend on the page. Or just download a lot of useless stuff (uncompressed images etc) to maximize download counts.

      The add free internet of the Old. Was just a bunch of company billboards, or some interesting projects made by students. (In terms of web). Most of the stuff on the internet was FTP to download patches and free software from companies. Or hobbies from students whos ISP was being paid by their colleges, where you had a Telnet BBS or perhaps a gopher site.

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    2. Re:Bad Study by timrod · · Score: 1

      My guess is that without advertising, content providers would have to turn to a subscription-based model. I would actually like to see this, because it means a lot of sites would finally die off. Take any website (IGN, Gamespot, Gamefaqs) that does videogame reviews and/or guides. Most of these websites are dinosaurs - they come from a time before the Wiki model and streaming video, when people had to go to them to get reviews. As such, their entire business model is heavily susceptible to corruption - such as the Gamespot reviewer that was fired for giving Kane and Lynch a negative review when the producers of the game had taken out full-page ads for the game on Gamespot.

      Nowadays, if I want to find out how to do something in a game or whether a game is worth playing, I can go on Youtube and look it up - usually resulting in better quality than a published guide or review on one of those sites. As an example, last night I wanted to know how to speed-clear this one grinding map in the Vita release of Disgaea 4. There's a guide on Gamefaqs that tells you how to do it in far too many words. I can't quote it word-for-word, but I can come close.

      "The best way to clear this map quickly is to use Desco's Yog Sothoth ability (learned at level 100) and fuse her with another monster in order to increase its AOE. Normally, Yog Sothoth's AOE looks like this:

      XXX
      XXX
      XXX

      The fused form looks like this:

      XXXXX
      XXXXX
      XXXXX

      Where X are squares that her attack hits. The enemies are arranged in a pattern that matches the AOE of Yog Sothoth when fused. Use the Training Center (with Desco as the leader) to give your other party members (particularly Valvatorez and Fenrich) some of the EXP. If you can't get Yog Sothoth to kill in one hit, try using buff spells (such as Braveheart) or the Medic's Let's Go Chachacha ability to give her another turn. Valvatorez's final ability, Tyrant Flughude, can take out one row of enemies while Fenrich's Big Bang (learned at level 500) can be transferred to any other character for 48,000 mana and hits a larger area than Yog Sothoth when used with a Magichanged giant monster. Be sure to throw the EXP +50% Geo Block onto the nearby panel to increase EXP gain."

      In the time it took me to read that, I could look up a video on Youtube and see the same thing done in less than thirty seconds and without terrible ASCII art - and without ads plastered all over. The same thing goes for reviews - I can either spend ten minutes paging through ad-ridden pages to find out what some professional reviewer scored it, or I can go on Twitch or Youtube and look for gameplay footage.

    3. Re:Bad Study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing is, companies will normally go the route that will maximize profit.
      So if you were to pay the $230 for the Add free internet. Then how will that money be distributed. Per click, length of time on the page, the amount of data transferred to your system?

      My guess is that it would follow the same path as cable TV.

      First you pay for the AD-free version. Then they add AD's to that version too.

    4. Re:Bad Study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good study would provide a description of what the internet would look like without ads. My intuition is that I'd be just fine with the only content available being content that did not seek a revenue stream. I thought the internet was better back then anyway.

      This.

      They argue that $230 would be needed to keep the current services because users would magically pay everything they supposedly use right now for free. I'm sure that people would gladly do without the majority of those services or easily find plenty of free alternatives.

      Additionally, the study puts all types of ads in the same basket, which is disingenuous.

    5. Re:Bad Study by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      A good study would provide a description of what the internet would look like without ads. My intuition is that I'd be just fine with the only content available being content that did not seek a revenue stream. I thought the internet was better back then anyway.

      It's also a pointless study because it's never going to happen. I'd guess the only reason it was done is to support the idea that ad blockers and no script are "bad". Oh wait it was conducted by an ad platform.

      It's basically a study that shows how much revenue per user a web site can get.

      It's also completely impractical because when you add in the costs of actually transacting, it'll far outweigh the $230 a year. I mean, even if everyone basically replaced their ads with paid content gateways, just managing all the payments and such will easily add quite a bit to it. I visit a webpage once, the page gets 1 cent for the visit, but to process that payment would add another 50 cents to that mix.

      I visit /. daily and perhaps it generates $20/year, which is easy to manage subscription wise since transactions would just add a few more cents on top of that.

      Then there's the whole payment system thing. You think each website can manage their own payment scheme? Think of the ripe opportunities for hacking and downloading the payment databases. Companies with interests in keeping private data private can't do it. Imagine Joe Schmoe with a blog - is he going to care that someone downloads his database?

      I'm not so sure about a "good internet" back then - having used it since 1995, I can say until the .com boom, researching wasn't all that much different - you still headed to the library to use books and encyclopaedias (no Wikipedia), if you needed to download a driver you had to write (longhand) to the company and they'd send you a disk for $5 and return postage (and wait a couple of weeks), etc.

    6. Re:Bad Study by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Funny thing, that description sounds pretty clear to me (even though I have no idea what it actually means - looks like you're trying to change file permissions). I'd rather read that then wade through a poorly done You Tube video with iPhone photography and a halting presentation by someone with a bad cold.

      YMMV....

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    7. Re:Bad Study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the time it took me to read that, I could look up a video on Youtube and see the same thing done in less than thirty seconds and without terrible ASCII art - and without ads plastered all over. The same thing goes for reviews - I can either spend ten minutes paging through ad-ridden pages to find out what some professional reviewer scored it, or I can go on Twitch or Youtube and look for gameplay footage.

      Conversely, if I find a video about how to re-activate office 2010 from the command line, I have to wait while the host introduces themselves, explains cool things about their video channel, other videos in the current series, etc.,... 2 or three minutes to get to the point.

      In the time it takes to watch that video, I've already run the following I found on a text based site:
      cscript "c:\program files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ospp.vbs /act.

      I can copy/paste text as well - can't do that with a video.

    8. Re:Bad Study by Solandri · · Score: 1

      My guess is that without advertising, content providers would have to turn to a subscription-based model. I would actually like to see this, because it means a lot of sites would finally die off. Take any website (IGN, Gamespot, Gamefaqs) that does videogame reviews and/or guides. Most of these websites are dinosaurs - they come from a time before the Wiki model and streaming video, when people had to go to them to get reviews.
      [...]
      Nowadays, if I want to find out how to do something in a game or whether a game is worth playing, I can go on Youtube and look it up - usually resulting in better quality than a published guide or review on one of those sites.

      That's all well and good. But without advertising, YouTube wouldn't exist. At least not in the form it currently does. Someone ha to pay for all that video storage and bandwidth. Same with Google, Bing, Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo mail, even slashdot. Advertising provides market fluidity, where the tiniest action by a visitor (a click or even pausing on a page to read it) can be translated directly into additional revenue to the site for providing content visitors find "interesting." Maybe there's a better way to provide this fluidity than ads - if you find it you'll probably become the next dot-com billionaire. But ignorance of this beneficial side of ads does not negate their usefulness.

      On the receiving end, as much as I dislike ads, I do acknowledge that they free me up to try out different sites at no cost. With a subscription model, I'd have to pay to subscribe to a site to try it out (or get in on a limited-time free trial, which would probably involve me giving the site my mailing address and phone number which they could sell to marketers - probably worse than seeing ads online). There's also a small informational benefit to ads. I found that out when I got rid of my TV. A year later I was hanging out with some friends and we decided to go see a movie. That's when I realized I had absolutely no idea what movies were playing, and even when I was told the titles I couldn't classify them into categories I might find interesting (sci-fi, action, etc). My friends had to take the time to give me a 10-second summary of each movie before I could tell them if I was voting yea or nay on it.

      In the time it took me to read that, I could look up a video on Youtube and see the same thing done in less than thirty seconds and without terrible ASCII art - and without ads plastered all over.

      I think your gripe is more about artificially limiting the FAQs so they can't include pictures. Except for linear 3D guides (e.g. jumping puzzles), video is also a terrible format for guides. Video is a time-dependent format, whereas a written page with pictures allows you to quickly skim forward and back to find the section you want. It's the same reason you can quickly browse a directory full of unnamed pictures to get an idea of what's there, but you can't do the same for a directory full of MP3s. The pictures are time-independent and you can quickly scan through them. MP3s (and video) are time-dependent, and you have to sit there and listen/watch them at something close to real-time to figure out what the content is.

    9. Re:Bad Study by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Some of us can acquire information without blinky lights, webcasts, and Internet nerds with grating voices spending 10 minutes stumbling through a 3-command sequence.

      Not to mention a page of text is orders of magnitude faster to load and smaller in filesize.

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    10. Re:Bad Study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I really miss a lot of that. Sure I don't miss the 10k AOL CDs but I appreciated that AOL existed because it kept the general population in that walled garden. That left the rest of the Internet for the nerds. It was fun because everything was new and with a little bit of work you could bust out a website that was just as good as any corporate website because EVERYONE was new to the scene.

      Now, the Internet is geared for the lowest common denominator to help maximize profits.

      At least we can still work on our free and open source software and it doesn't take as long to download a new distro to try out. I also really like my general Internet speed and have to admit I like my streaming video services.

  15. Why would I pay $230 for something I get for free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see ads now. Why would I pay?

    Pale Moon with Adblock Plus and Noscript, or sticking with Opera 12 doesn't cost anything.

  16. How would the money be split? What's the incentive by mrnick · · Score: 1

    OK, so everyone pays $230... how do they pay the websites that you visit? What represents ads? One could argue that www.apple.com is one giant ad for Apple products, right?

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  17. Where do I mail the check? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $230/year for ad free Internet is a bargain.

  18. Products will be cheaper. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, we don't have to pay for advertising anymore so we can save $230 annually on products. Fine with me I pay the $230

    1. Re:Products will be cheaper. by Elbart · · Score: 2

      Funny, how nobody seems to pick up this point. Indeed, we are already paying the 230 bucks.

  19. It did just fine before ads by Dorianny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps the internet reverting to a state where there were less grumpy cat videos, or viral ice bucket challenges, wouldn't be such a terrible thing.

    1. Re:It did just fine before ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >viral ice bucket challenges

      Yeah, because god forbid someone use the internet to help promote charities that fund research in to serious debilitating illnesses.
      Fuck those guys. Helping people. Disgusting.

  20. Is this different from TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I change channels when TV commercials come on. How is this different or surprising? I also pay for cable, which was supposed to be commercial free. That didn't last. If I pay for an ad-free internet, how long will it take for them to collect my money *AND* serve ads anyway?

    Post AC - one day I will get an account.

  21. Implying someone HAS to pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'd just have less shitty websites whose only purpose it to make more money by aggregating content other people create and sprinkling it with invasive, obnoxious ads.

    AdblockPlus.org

  22. Faulty logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm thinking that there is a fault with the logic that says all the internet advertising goes to those who keep the internet running. Maybe if there were more details on the research of who received the money...

  23. $230 isn't the problem by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, I would be entirely happy to pay $230/year for ad-free Internet; meaning that I would continue to have access to all the sites that I want, but those sites would be directly supported by my yearly subscription, and so they wouldn't need to display ads or be otherwise beholden to advertisers. I'm sure a great many people would be willing to do so.

    The problem is that such a state of affairs is impossible. If people actually started paying for subscriptions, the ads would disappear only temporarily. Eventually companies would realize "Sure, they're paying subscription fees, but if I just put a little unobtrusive link to 'related products' in the sidebar, no on will complain. And, yeah, sure, I'll get a little extra money on the side for displaying links to specific (paying) partners..." Soon enough, the ads are back (in some form or other), and we're now paying for the content twice. (We've seen this happen many times before; e.g. subscription cable-TV was supposed to be ad-free. More recently I've noticed that digital downloads from iTunes or Google Play have ads for other shows added to the beginning.) Moreover, oftentimes 'ad-free' really just means the ads are less obvious but more insidious (product placement, 'trusted' reviewers being bribed to give positive reviews, etc.).

    The simple fact is that we cannot ever trust companies to actually honor the social contract of subscription models. Since they cannot stick to the rules, the only option is for end-users endure the constant ads, since at least in this case we don't have to pay subscription costs.

    1. Re:$230 isn't the problem by MindPrison · · Score: 1

      The simple fact is that we cannot ever trust companies to actually honor the social contract of subscription models. Since they cannot stick to the rules, the only option is for end-users endure the constant ads, since at least in this case we don't have to pay subscription costs.

      Very true, and this has already been proven, here in Scandinavia - we are so "LUCKY" that we can Opt-Out of getting ads in the mail (we're talking snail-mail here), this would require a trip to the Post Office, and filling out some forms and finally...put a sticker on the good old mail box that says "No Ads please!".

      While most companies respect that (because they're required by LAW to do this and risk hefty fines if they don't), they have (together WITH the actual ...now privatized...Postal Services) figured out a nifty way to circumvent this. The Postal Offices now deliver you something they would like to call a SERVICE. The "Service Folder" contains "useful" information, occasional crosswords, interview with someone etc. But always contains ADS as well, just mixed right in...with logos and special offers. They go to GREAT lengths to convince you that it's not an and...just INFORMATION...that you simply can't live without.

      So yep, you're SPOT ON with your theory, it's proven in real life.

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    2. Re:$230 isn't the problem by causality · · Score: 1

      The simple fact is that we cannot ever trust companies to actually honor the social contract of subscription models. Since they cannot stick to the rules, the only option is for end-users endure the constant ads, since at least in this case we don't have to pay subscription costs.

      Which is why I have no qualms whatsoever about blocking ads and taking multiple technological measures to make myself difficult to track. Let them cry a river about it. The real problem is: what little trust may have been there has been thoroughly eroded by an advertising industry showing time and again that it, as an industry, is completely incapable of being reasonable or otherwise regulating itself.

      It's too bad for the marketing majors that they want to offer a "service" I do not need and do not want and have chosen to provide endless examples of "offering" (shoving it down throats) it in the most sleazy and underhanded ways. They'll get along without me, somehow.

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    3. Re:$230 isn't the problem by green+is+the+enemy · · Score: 1

      I found myself willingly paying a $6/month subscription to a website (this surprised me quite a bit): nicovideo.jp. Their model is very interesting. You do not pay for content, but with subscription you get more bandwidth and generally smoother access to their content (video), as well as wiki editing ability, unlimited "mylists", time shifted "live broadcasts"... basically just better service and perks, but not more content. They also run the "related products" ads below the main content, but with a twist: all "related product" links are user-submitted. It's actually fun to browse those.

    4. Re:$230 isn't the problem by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      I paid for an ad free weather service except they still gave ads. I called them stating they were still delivering ads and they said they couldn't do anything about it so I canceled though many complained to the BBB and now do not offer that lie anymore. Or maybe they do I really cant say for sure It was, The Weather Channel a nationally know weather service.So what you say is very true, Corporations will do whatever they can get away with until laws are made to force them. But IMO we are really doing this all wrong the people we need to be complaining to is the people who hire the ad agencies the ad agencies don't give a flip about us we do not pay them the product maker/seller does. Its why calling the TV networks advertisers worked so well. Still does.

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    5. Re:$230 isn't the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but in those 230 USD aren't included just useful sites, but the useless ones as well, the spammers, the ad infested clickholes every piece of garbage there is.
      The true cost, would probably be closer to 5 or 10 USD.

      Problem is ... there's a time when Cable was the best thing, because by paying a subscription, you didn't have to see any comercials. Fast forward 20 years ...

    6. Re:$230 isn't the problem by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Just like CableTV. Fooled me once...

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    7. Re:$230 isn't the problem by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

      This.

      If ad ads were 100% gone today, someone would re-invent them by tomorrow night.

      Advertising isn't a way for users to subsidize a web site - it's a method for companies to advertise their products & services. If it became illegal to charge or pay money for ads, they would still exist. Companies want to grow sales, and one way to do that is advertising.

  24. Stealing attention by SirDrinksAlot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My biggest problem with ads is they are designed to steal your attention from the content. I've mentioned this numerous times whenever a website starts crying about Adblocking. If you want me to read your content, don't put full motion video ads on the side right next to the content I'm trying to read. Don't make 2/3rds of the page giant clickable area to redirect me to your sponsor. I'm not visiting your site to see the ads, I'm there for the content that you put so much work into. Ads are typically designed to steal your attention and be obtrusive. Slashdot's ads are pretty much safe, even though I even have the option to disable ads here.

    I don't recall who it was but one big site posted a editorial on why they think Adblock is bullshit. It was the same day they had full page sponsorship and basically clicking anywhere that had empty space would direct you to that sponsor and they had every kind of obnoxious ad possible on the site at the same time. If everybody was sensible about ads then I wouldn't use an adblock, I do have the option enabled to allow unobtrusive ads so at least I'm not that big of a dirtbag.

    Basically the internet is turning into Idiocracy more and more every day. Animated ads all around and some times with in the content you're trying to read. NOW GO AWAY IM BAITIN.

    1. Re:Stealing attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fully agree. I held back on installing adblock for the longest time but they kept pushing further and further with the intrusive ads. Eventually you just have to say fuck it, the advertisers did this to themselves. Sorry! Find another way to get my money! (yes I do pay for subscriptions to several websites and subbable/patreon for several youtube channels)

    2. Re:Stealing attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't make 2/3rds of the page giant clickable area to redirect me to your sponsor. I'm not visiting your site to see the ads, I'm there for the content that you put so much work into.

      To voice an unpopular opinion, I don't mind ads on the internet. In large part they're unobtrusive, and I tune them out. There's two things that annoy the ever-living shit out of me, though.

      The first is the same complaint you have: where a website puts up a large, obtrusive ad with a giant clickable area. It's not so much that they are large and out front (interstitials are annoying, but I can live with them), but that they make it incredibly easy to mis-click and visit the advertised site instead of the site you want. Yes, let's make "go to the site you want" a tiny little "x" in the corner, where a few pixels off will take you to the advertiser's site instead. (I sometimes relax with free flash games, which have a similar problem - you usually have to click a "play" button to go from the ad to the game, but (surprise-surprise) the ads often also have a "play" button, and there's no fricken consistency, so it's hard to tell which is the one for the game and which the one for the ad.)

      The other one is where ads get to clingy and personal. I click through a "check out this product" link someone posts on a forum, and for the next three weeks I'm seeing advertisements for that company across the web. Yes, I clicked on a link to a laptop product page. No, I'm not interested in purchasing a laptop from you. Stop Stalking Me!

    3. Re:Stealing attention by blivit42 · · Score: 1

      I do have the option enabled to allow unobtrusive ads so at least I'm not that big of a dirtbag.

      I used to allow unobtrusive ads, but then slashdot began causing my mouse pointer to turn into the busy pointer as these "non-instrusive" ads updated themselves. I don't mind static ads that don't take up much space, but once they start changing themselves on a frequent basis, which in turn causes my mouse pointer to animate, which I see out of the corner of my eye while reading the article I am interested in, then it quickly becomes intrusive. So, since non-intrusive ads have now become intrusive, I simply block them all. Screw 'em. They've used up all my good faith.

    4. Re:Stealing attention by markdavis · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree with your post more.

      My major problem with is with ANY content- ads or not, that has autonomous animation. I can't stand it. Doesn't matter how big or small, I can't "tune out" something moving in my peripheral vision.

      I wouldn't mind small and non-animated ads, without timebombs or flyouts or mouseovers, but it seems like those just don't exist anymore. So I feel I am FORCED to browse with Adblock.

  25. I'd pay it but... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if you had the option to pay this, there would still be ads, because greed cannot be satisfied. See: cable TV.

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    1. Re:I'd pay it but... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't greed. The problem is that people don't grasp economics and the difference between paying for content and paying for delivery.

    2. Re:I'd pay it but... by chihowa · · Score: 1

      This entire article is about directly paying for content, instead of having ad supported content. (Well, the article is arguing in favor of ad supported content, but the premises are the same.) This $230/year is, specifically, paying for content. There's no realistic way to collect and distribute this money, so it's posed as an addition to your ISP bill, but this isn't about paying for delivery.

      Likewise, the charges for cable TV include their payments to the networks and studios for content. Local ads in the cable feed to your house don't directly pay for content. Just as your ISP injecting ads into your internet connection doesn't pay for content.

      If there was a way to directly pay for content and ads were still used in addition, as the GP suggested, the motivator there would be greed. The content was already paid for and this has nothing to do with delivery.

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    3. Re:I'd pay it but... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Please stop spreading the myth. Cable TV has never been advertised to be commercial free. NEVER.
      Some channels have, like HBO*, but not the company providing the service of having content shipped to your house over cable.

      *I don't know if that's still true, but it was when HBO first came out.

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    4. Re:I'd pay it but... by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      Or movies.

      In the few times where I want to go to a movie at the theaters for the huge screen and better sound, paying $25 for 2 people to sit and watch, I get bombarded by: local restaurant ads, TV ads (if i wanted to watch TV, I wouldn't be in the theater), movie ads, Coke ads, etc. At least the trailers for movies are somewhat entertaining.

      It will always be "yeah, i get money by directly charging for content, but I can get more by directly charging for content AND showing ads".

      Greed? Dunno, it's capitalism. It's kind of baked in the system. If you were selling a bike, and you were selling it for 50, and someone offered you 100 for it, would you back off and say "no, it's 50". Would you leave money on the table? Or would you rationalize it as an extra 50 that you could do something cool with. If you had kids, would you give that 50 back. If you had a company that you had to pay salaries for your 15 developers, would you turn ad money down? These aren't so easy decisions.

      Well, one is easy. Fuck Comcast. They truly are greedy. And they don't pay employees well, so you can't even tell yourself, "yeah, I'm being gouged by a corporation, but at least their employees are eating well". No, they aren't.

    5. Re:I'd pay it but... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      If the money goes to the ISP there is still no realistic way to distribute the money. The ISPs can't keep it (that $230 was for the advertisers to shut up, not for the ISP to make money). The tiny web site will claim a fraction and the big web site will argue and claim they need more of it and the tiny guys sue but lose the battle of the lawyers, the nice web site that previously had few ads will be equivalent of the spam ridden gaming site, the internet overlords will still demand that we open up our systems so that cookies keep accurate count of eyeballs, people using noscript will still be accused of trying to cheat the system, etc.

      And after all that we will STILL have advertisements, because the product makers will still want their products advertised. The only difference is that the web sites can fund themselves without ads, so the advertisers will offer to give them even more money by hosting just a few ads at first. Over time it'll be just as bad as it is now onl we pay $230 a year on top of it. If no one watches broadcast or cable TV anymore, and no one buys the newspaper, then where will advertsements be?

      The current state as ugly as it is may not be so bad: just use adblock and noscript to battle the evil.

    6. Re:I'd pay it but... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Your experience was not universal. Trust me.

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  26. Wouldn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if content producers were paid to make their content, marketers would work their way in anyway. Where there are eyes, people will want to market their wares, and content producers will smack their lips together at the prospect of making more money. Anyone remember when cable was ad-free because we were paying for the content?

  27. Does this really add up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since a company wouldn't survive by spending more on advertising than they earn from advertising, This means that the average person in the UK buys significantly more than $230 a year because of those ads. That just sounds high to me, but that's just my opinion.

    1. Re:Does this really add up? by green1 · · Score: 1

      I think it more likely points to the fact that the advertising industry is completely out of touch with reality. People buy products regardless of if any advertising occurs or not, some things people just have to have, some things people want and research before buying, some things are impulse buys when they walk by them.

      Thing is, even if you didn't follow any advertising to find a product or service, you still pay for the advertising of that product or service when you purchase it. The tagline has always been "half of the money spent on advertising is wasted, we just don't know which half", but I contend that it is FAR worse than that, I suspect it's more like 95%+ is wasted, companies swear that by throwing their product in our face at every opportunity we'll be more likely to buy from them, but I don't think it always works that way.

      So yes, you spend way more than $230 a year on product and services in general, and about $230 of that money you spend on stuff you want/need didn't go to the company you gave it to, but instead to advertising that you didn't care about.

      The marketing industry is completely out of control, and it costs society an inordinate amount of money.

    2. Re:Does this really add up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Marketing departments excel at selling one thing: their supposed added value to sales. Their customers are all PHBs.

      That's not to say that the whole idea is a scam. The technology of propaganda has been improving rapidly since the invention of radio broadcast and it does have its effects. For example, they've successfully re-branded their product as "marketing", "sales", or "public awareness", when we should be calling it what it really is: corporate propaganda.

  28. A quick couple of things wrong with the study... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Informative
    1) it was conducted by a company that is in the business of providing internet ads

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    2) it did not take into account the costs associated with the malware distributed by the various ad platforms.

  29. Re:How would the money be split? What's the incent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The biggest failure of the study, to me, is that they simply turned "money spent on advertising" into "money people would have to pay." I don't get their logic in doing so. So without even getting in to how they'd get paid, we have to reconsider if this is actually the right amount.

  30. Re:How would the money be split? What's the incent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll help everyone and let you deposit your money directly on my account. You'll then be sure never to see an ad from my webpages.

  31. I already do! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cost of my internet access is $230 at around the four month mark anyway. Ads may have provided a way for companies to offset some costs, but it has gotten entirely out of hand. Most content on the 'net is useless anyway, everyone wants to give you an answer for something put charge you for it and then force ads on you. Afterall, how many phones, TVs and penis pills do I really need to know about?

  32. What about no ads and nothing to pay either? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use AdBlock Plus and I don't even remember what "ads" look like, I don't see them in any website, not even before youtube's vevo videos. And I'm also not paying anything for that. Furthermore, I couldn't care less about the possible consequences of my behavior in terms of bankruptcies and lost jobs.

    Ho, ho, ho.

  33. NO IT WOULD NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's like saying add-free TV "would cost ...". It would not be watched UNLESS IT WAS WORTH IT. Just because you put a price tag on something does not make it wanted. Put a price tag on slashdot and only the so-called editors would remain. Except Wall*Mart. It puts price tags on shit and it sells.

  34. this is a STUDY?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where does that ad revenue really go? i mean we would get rid of a few advertising companies and some other useless companies that are really only middlemen selling snake oil.

    FTA:

    "Video ad platform Ebuzzing calculated the average ‘value’ of each web user by dividing the amount of money spent on digital advertising in the UK in 2013 (£6.4 billion) by the number of UK web users (45 million)."

    notice its calculated by the amount of money SPENT on advertising. so what they are saying is that it would cost every person a specific amount to pay the people in advertising companies a salary for doing nothing while not taking into account the other economic repercussions of having those people doing something productive in society.

    and this is a study? no this is a company saying it would cost everyone 230 a year to get rid of us so we can sit at home and do nothing.. nothing was studied here it was just a survey to bait the headline. move along

  35. I remember when cable TV was going 2 eliminate ADS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a joke. Cable now "provides" some of the most commercial ridden TV on the planet. In other words, I've heard these arguments before. It ain't gunna happen people.

    Now you kids get off my lawn!

  36. Ads not needed by jmyers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People already pay for their internet connection, bandwith, web hosting, etc. Maybe the Telegraph could not exist on the web without ads, but that does not mean the internet could not exist. This person seems to belive that the internet exists only because of commercial content producers.

    1. Re:Ads not needed by akume325 · · Score: 2

      People pay to use the internet but that money doesn't go towards the creation of sites. That money goes straight to the ISP. As much as I hate it, some sites rely on ad-revenue to exist. So that $230 is for those sites to stay alive.

    2. Re:Ads not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As much as I hate it, some sites exist to generate ad-revenue.

      fixed that for you

    3. Re:Ads not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have a clue how the internet works, do you?
      Please don't comment on things you don't understand.

      Your money does not even REMOTELY go to any website you visit. At all.
      Those websites are literally in the same bucket as you, THEY need to pay for internet.
      And worse, they need to pay for several thousand internet subscriptions at that, if they intend even having a website that supports any reasonable amount of users.
      Websites that get attention from large communities can and very often do die horribly under the strain. (see the Slashdot Effect, killing websites for over a decade)

      It would be impossible for some large websites to exist without advertising. This site included.

  37. business opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This says I can sell the installation of an ad blocker for 200$ and be competitive before a year, right?

  38. Breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People want something for nothing...

  39. False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This "study" assumes that the Net requires all those ad's to function. I have been involved in Internet content for many years and ad production for online content, I can tell you for a fact that most of the money spent on ads never makes it anywhere near the infrastructure. Kinda like recording artist fees.

    If I had to Guess, I would say that the internet without ads would be free, data mining users is very lucrative and would easily cover the infrastructure. I would be far more worried about the loss of R&D and innovation, people go to great lengths to entice consumers onto their site beyond ad content (Eg Webcomics/games/compelling layouts/connection speed/security) this would be affected far more by the loss of ad revenue than merely paying for the "internet"

  40. it's more like $60 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you exclude profits, salary for graphic designers, IT personel, marketing and sales the cost would likely be around $60 if not less.

  41. it's not the ads it's the surveillance. by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it's the surveillance I don't like. In theory this surveillance is supposed to get me relevant ads but it just creeps me out with it's persistence. I don't really need relevant ads ever. What I actually like is being exposed to lots of different ads. It gives me a sense of what the world is up to in a way. SO I don't mind the ads. It's not like TV ads that I have to wait through. they are just off to the side. What I don't want therefore is the surveillance. it has negative value to me. I don't want targeted ads.

    If I could be sure I could be surveillance free I'd pay $230. But I don't see how that is possible. How would I know? where does one draw the line-- things like cookies for sessions and autologin on returning to a site and resuming my netflix movie where I left off are useful. What about amazon auto suggest? I once bought a book on amazon about sexual practices in different cultures and for months I had autosuggests for dildos and some amazingly raunchy bondage movies that I had no idea amazon carried. My sense of embarrassment prevented me from using amazon when other people were in the room. I think however this is not really the surveillance I am worried about. I can easily not use amazon and certainly in the future I always now check the "people who bought this also bought..." before I purchase some item that will trigger things I don't want it suggesting to me. SO that's containable.

    But that experience makes me wonder what that little search did for my google profile. Am I now pegged as a dog fucker on google because the key terms I used for a scholarly search had other meanings? I know that google pricks up it's ears when a search leads down a path to a purchase.

    You might ask why do I care. I just do, and that's normal. were trained in caring about appearances when were on the playground.

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  42. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where can I pay my $3/month to remove ads on Slashdot?

  43. Tolerable With Limits by organgtool · · Score: 2

    I am reluctantly tolerant of ads since I realize that they pay the people who provide the content I'm consuming without charge, but if I'm reading a text article and a video ad with sound pops up, I kill the sound by closing the tab. I won't tolerate that rudeness when there are so many other sources of news that don't expose me to such tripe.

  44. No need to pay, just install AdBlock Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's free, open source, and you won't see any ads anymore, on any websites, not even before youtube's vevo videos. Furthermore, with this "irresponsible" behavior, you'll cause several bankruptcies and lost jobs, which is cool and that's exactly why I love it.

    1. Re:No need to pay, just install AdBlock Plus by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      except a lot of places now won't roll the video if the ad is also blocked.

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    2. Re:No need to pay, just install AdBlock Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... I was forgetting: once you have installed it, remember to uncheck the "Allow some non-intrusive advertising" option under "Filter preferencies", and also install the "EasyPrivacy" and "AdBlock Warning Removal" lists, otherwise you might actually see some ads, which would be disgraceful.

    3. Re:No need to pay, just install AdBlock Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firstly, they are not "a lot". Secondly, it doesn't happen if you install the "AdBlock Warning Removal" list from the Easylist website. Until now, I have found only one website that still refuses to display contents even after installing that list (one of an Italian TV broadcasting company).

    4. Re:No need to pay, just install AdBlock Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also consider Element Hiding Helper for Adblock Plus, which helps you easily block CSS elements, whether they're ads, sponsored content, or just things you prefer not to see.

    5. Re:No need to pay, just install AdBlock Plus by geekoid · · Score: 1

      if they can detect the ad is not showing.

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    6. Re:No need to pay, just install AdBlock Plus by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Fuck 'em.

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    7. Re:No need to pay, just install AdBlock Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I stopped going to those places. So far nothing of value has been lost.

  45. Or.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We could just get rid of the 90% of the Internet that is ad-based.

  46. Assumptions by strikethree · · Score: 1

    That assumes that anyone would want to subsidize every single site that receives ad revenue. I strongly suspect that this is not the case. But even at only $230 a year, that would be a bargain. The viruses, the flash ads, the spam. God, make it all go away please.

    But it will not. They want brand awareness, not just click-throughs. Paying it would be rather like paying the danegeld. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

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  47. There are ads on the web? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I honestly forgot how many ads were out there. I keep a host file and block all known ad sites by ad-away, and I also disable javascript globally and only 'edit site preferences' and enable JS for sites that need it. Yes the dead Opera browser prior to v13(before they gave up and became a chrome shell with 1/15th the features. No ads on /., no ads on ebay, no ads on google.com(tho admittedly their google 'shopping' uses some of the same servers their ads are on, so I have to manually select product sites vs click and redirect).. And despite warnings my browser won't work, since the larger sites have started to actively stop sabotaging Opera browser, more stuff is working now than when it was under active development(not for long I'm sure, once proprietary content hits more)..

    # [Google Inc]
    0.0.0.0 domains.googlesyndication.com #[Parking Service]
    0.0.0.0 pagead2.googlesyndication.com #[Google AdWords]
    0.0.0.0 video-stats.video.google.com
    0.0.0.0 ssl.google-analytics.com
    0.0.0.0 google-analytics.com
    0.0.0.0 www.google-analytics.com #[Google Analytics]
    0.0.0.0 4.afs.googleadservices.com
    0.0.0.0 pagead2.googleadservices.com
    0.0.0.0 partner.googleadservices.com
    0.0.0.0 www.googleadservices.com
    0.0.0.0 service.urchin.com #[Urchin Tracking Module]
    # [Google][AS15169][108.170.192.0 - 108.170.255.255]
    0.0.0.0 bec.px.invitemedia.com #[server down?]
    0.0.0.0 conversion-pixel.invitemedia.com
    # [Google / DoubleClick][AS15169][173.194.0.0 - 173.194.255.255]
    0.0.0.0 enirocode.adtlgc.com
    0.0.0.0 dp.g.doubleclick.net
    # [Google / DoubleClick][AS15169][209.85.128.0 - 209.85.255.255]
    0.0.0.0 analytics-api-samples.googlecode.com #[Google Analytics social tracking]
    # [Google / DoubleClick][AS15169][64.233.160.0 - 64.233.191.255]
    0.0.0.0 m1.2mdn.net #[a509.cd.akamai.net]
    0.0.0.0 rmcdn.2mdn.net
    0.0.0.0 rmcdn.f.2mdn.net
    0.0.0.0 n339.asp-cc.com
    0.0.0.0 ads.cc-dt.com
    0.0.0.0 clickserve.cc-dt.com
    0.0.0.0 creative.cc-dt.com
    0.0.0.0 clickserve.dartsearch.net
    0.0.0.0 clickserve.eu.dartsearch.net
    0.0.0.0 clickserve.uk.dartsearch.net
    0.0.0.0 doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 ad.doubleclick.net #[MVPS.Criteria]
    0.0.0.0 ad-g.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 ad.cn.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 ad.de.doubleclick.net #[Tracking.Cookie]
    0.0.0.0 ad.sg.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 ad.us.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 ad.za.doubleclick.net

    0.0.0.0 www3.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 www.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 doubleclick.com
    0.0.0.0 www2.doubleclick.com
    0.0.0.0 www3.doubleclick.com
    0.0.0.0 www.doubleclick.com
    0.0.0.0 tpc.googlesyndication.com
    # 127.0.0.1 www.youtube-nocookie.com #[affects various videos]
    # [Google / DoubleClick][AS15169][66.249.64.0 - 66.249.95.255]
    0.0.0.0 ad.rs.doubleclick.net
    # [Google / DoubleClick][AS15169][72.14.192.0 - 72.14.255.255]
    0.0.0.0 affiliate.2mdn.net
    # 127.0.0.1 s0.2mdn.net #[affects video stream]
    # 127.0.0.1 static.2mdn.net #[affects Youtube]
    0.0.0.0 clickserve.us2.dartsearch.net #[www3.l.google.com]
    0.0.0.0 ad-apac.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 ad.mo.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 adclick.g.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 gan.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 googleads2.g.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 n4061ad.hk.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 securepubads.g.doubleclick.net
    # [Google / DoubleClick][AS15169][74.125.0.0 - 74.125.255.255]

    0.0.0.0 fls.au.doubleclick.net
    0.0.0.0 log2.quintelligence.com
    # [Google / DoubleClick][AS6432][216.73.80.0 - 216.73.95.255]
    0.0.0.0 www3.webhostingtalk.com #[ad.3ad.doubleclick.net]

    --Tried just pasting the google stuff but it was too long "Your comment violated the "postercomment" compression filter"/Your comment has too few characters per line.

  48. Zero sum by Captain_Chaos · · Score: 1

    Of course in theory we should then get that back in lower prices of consumer goods, since the manufacturers will of course pass the lower marketing costs from not having to buy advertising everywhere on to us. In practice of course they will keep the money, which is why I say fuck 'em and I refuse to play their game and look at their ads.

    1. Re:Zero sum by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Without ads, the manufacturers will probably do pass the lower marketing costs to us. Not because they want to but because without ads, a lower a price will probably have a bigger influence on the buyer's choice. People will also have a little less money due to the "no-ads tax", meaning that if manufacturers will have to reduce their prices to match the customers purchasing power.
      Manufacturers that publish ads are not the ones who are in power. You, the customer, are. If you had no choice but to buy their products at the price they fixed, they wouldn't need ads in the first place.

      But the real reality is that this scenario will simply never happen.

  49. Total number of websites by physicsphairy · · Score: 1

    I don't actually browse the entire internet and have no interest in guaranteeing equivalent revenue to everyone selling penis enlargements. My share of the burden is only a dozen or so websites visited regular. But since many of those are content aggregators let's go ahead and say I visit 100 x that many websites, and consider these casual visits as equal to supporting the website for an entire year.

    This makes $230 / 1,036,878,123 websites (internetlivestats.com) * 1200 = 2.7*e-4 dollars to cover my website burden. And I feel I probably deserve some credit for subscribing to Netflix and Amazon prime. Obviously bandwidth is a better measure of the 'cost' I need to cover for these websites to remain hosted, but averaging over all websites does (in a difficult to quantify way) account for the fact that many of the websites out there even now are not profit-motivated.

    I hope the authors of this study were also sure to deduct the cost users already pay due to web advertisements in the form of malware infections, including the compromise of bank accounts, identity, etc.

    1. Re:Total number of websites by geekoid · · Score: 1

      um, no.
      Clearly, no one browses the entire internet, so the money is divided among the site you do visit. As would every one.
      Subscription service would be a separate agreement.

      In theory, anyway

      --
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  50. That model really helped Cable TV by freak0fnature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember when Cable TV was ad free because I paid extra for it...now 25-30% of a shows time is dedicated to advertisements, and I get to pay to watch them.

    1. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by Megane · · Score: 2

      I don't know when and where it was that you had "ad free" cable TV, but cable TV was originally (in the '70s and earlier in the US) for people who didn't want to put up an antenna and mess with it to get a good picture for local channels (with the commercials intact). Then around 1980 or so, my family got hooked up to a cable TV system that wasn't just an antenna redistributor, and had cable-only channels. I was surprised to find that most of the channels had commercials. So at least in the US, ads on cable-only TV channels date as far back as 1980.

      Ironically, you now usually get a better picture for OTA channels by NOT getting cable, because they can re-compress the signal to a lower bandwidth. So that cuts down the original reason to get cable.

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    2. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Yo are remembering incorrectly. Cable TV was never ad free becasue cable companies have(had) nothing to do with content, only delivery.

      ON TV didn't have commercial, but that wasn't cable TV. It was one company, selling on channel AND the service. Literally they installed a cable to your house, then ran it to a box on your TV that had one knob. You tuned your TV to channel 3, then turned the dial from OFF to ON.

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    3. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by geekoid · · Score: 1

      We had ON TV in '77, it had commercials. The Soft core porn add on did not have commercials.
      Cable TV goes back to the laet 40's and early 50s. They took broadcast channels, and then piped them into areas with pore/no TV reception.

      People don't seem to realize that Cable TV has always just shown what was broadcast, and they don't strip commercials.

      Now there are some companies that just flat charge you for their channel, and 'stations' business model(HOB et. al.) is pay us, no commercials, but that is NOT the same as providing for a service

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    4. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically, you now usually get a better picture for OTA channels by NOT getting cable, because they can re-compress the signal to a lower bandwidth. So that cuts down the original reason to get cable.

      Only if you can get a signal, which most people can't and those that do are limited to a tiny number of channels.

    5. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People don't seem to realize that Cable TV has always just shown what was broadcast, and they don't strip commercials.

      That's how memes work. People hear something like "cable T.V. had no commercials in the beginning" and the idea interests them. It also sounds plausible, because you do pay for it, and so it could be commercial-free. ...and that's the full extent to which people verify the information they hear before repeating it. You like the idea and it sounds plausible? Hell, must be true then. Tell everyone you know.

      I'm surprised you haven't been downmodded yet. Happens to me every time I try to explain to people that their "cable T.V. was originally commercial-free" argument is just some bullshit they've heard that they're now repeating. They especially get upset if you ask that they provide some sort of reference for their claim, as if the fact that everyone on Slashdot keeps repeating it should be all the proof you require. Plus, I mean, corporations inserting advertisements into paid-for previously-ad-free content? How could you doubt that would happen? Are you retarded? Do you not think? You must be a troll.

      It's just like that "the word 'hacker' used to mean 'talented engineer'" meme. Don't challenge that one or you'll get your head bitten off. Indeed, since I've mentioned it, I'd better post anonymously, so as not to lose what little karma I manage to build up between the times when people decide I'm a troll. I know from experience that mentioning that it might not be true is a fast pass to -1.

    6. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention those channels where they keep running ads for their own shows. Supremely annoying.

      (Probably because they show regular ads in those slots on other channels and they don't want different programming in different countries. But it is still VERY annoying.)

    7. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

      Well it's like the GP said, cable channels like HBO were touted as ad free and cable companies did nothing to correct people when they made the (wrong) assumption that all Cable TV was ad free. In the 80s when I first had access to it the marketing of the day was "enjoy premium content ad free". They weren't lying, they simply weren't telling people that not *all* of the programming was ad free.

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    8. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Early on cable was for people who had no access to broadcast, or limited access. The early cable-only channels would run the content without interruptions even if they had ads in between content. Ie, you could sit down for the movie and watch it straight through.

      Actually that is the model that is common for broadcast in Europe; ads are shown between the shows not in the middle of them. That includes some countries with paid TV licenses but also countries without government support of TV content. Yes some did have ads in the middle of shows but they were only at the half hour, It's only in the US where I've seen the model where the viewer gets interrupted with ads every ten minutes and the 90 minute movie takes 3 hours to show on broadcast.

    9. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by blivit42 · · Score: 1

      In the very early 80's, most channels did indeed not have ads. This did not last long, but I do remember that time. Greedy bastards....

    10. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also satellite radio. A co-worker specifically purchased a satellite radio system to get away from ads, and now it has ads all over the place.

      I'd pay the $230/year to get rid of the ads, I just don't believe that the ads would stay gone. They haven't in the past and they probably won't in the future. The greed factor is too strong for companies.

    11. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      Sadly, this is also the case in Canada. It's one of the main reasons I prefer to torrent or use Netflix. I'm sure that if I put in the effort I can blame the US, but it's at least as much my nation's fault as theirs. Now, if only Canadian content was required to stand on its own merits, and not required to be played, maybe we would get something that could replace the American drivel that is so much a part of what is broadcast.

      Time to watch some old and/or foreign shows on Netflix, and reminisce about my youth.

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    12. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by adolf · · Score: 1

      Ah, Canada. The only country I can think of where a certain percentage of broadcast, over-the-air programming must be of a specific national origin as a part of the licensing for the broadcast frequency.

      Freedom?

    13. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by Megane · · Score: 1

      "Most people can't" because they don't have a good antenna (as in better than rabbit ears), or even the tiniest bit of clue how to set one up.

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    14. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by Megane · · Score: 1

      Premium (as in pay $5 or $10 or more per month) movie channels run movies all the way through. The rest of them are just networks without OTA broadcasters. And "early" cable-only channels were just that, experiments like on the internet in the early 2Ks.

      I refuse to get pay TV, and now that I've upgraded my DSL to Uverse without TV, the phone company has switched from half a dozen mailings a month to get me to switch to Uverse to half a dozen mailings a month for me to add pay TV. The thing is, I was amused to see that qubo was only in the highest of their three tiers, because in the next market over, it's being broadcast on an OTA channel.

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    15. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by Megane · · Score: 1

      I don't know how "very early" in the '80s you're talking about, because I remember being intrigued by the appearance of a strange new channel that played music videos. MTV started in mid-1981. And we had a big city cable company, not "two guys with a spool of RG-6". (At the time it was UA Cablevision; later the franchise was sold to Rogers and then Time Warner.)

      The early '80s were the glory days of C-band TVRO satellite. Maybe it was just that your cable company at first only had access to channels which just happened to mostly be commercial free. Or maybe you watched a lot of C-SPAN.

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    16. Re:That model really helped Cable TV by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      Sorry, buddy, our motto is "Peace, Order, and Good Government", not "Land of the free, home of the brave". Looks like we got two out of three. And how many of those two do the Americans have?

      To be honest, even our government isn't terrible, just often teetering between inept and indifferent.

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  51. That's a real nice Internets you got there... by TheBilgeRat · · Score: 2

    Shame if someone smeared it all up with advertisements...

    Tell you what - for the low low fee of 230 dollars a year, I promise Guido and Nunzio here won't fill your windows up with popups.

  52. sure it would by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yea, all of the spam would just go away. And I wouldn't have any more spam show up in my email, right?

    And all of that drive-by malware installing stuff would just go away and people would start being ice to each other, right?

    Of course, all of our interactivity would still be there. And we could still have e-comerce on the web, we could still use sites like Amazon rather than having to drive miles to get to a limited selection and pay higher prices at a local "friendly" bookstore. But somehow there would be no advertising. And people would just automatically know where all of the new e-comerce sites were. And there would be no one who wanted to steal your identity and your credit card info and drain your bank account. And best of all, no one would ever see a bunch of fools saying "ad free Internet for $230 a year sounds good to me, where do I sign up?" and try to take advantage of that.

    We don't even have ad-free PBS television any more, but some people want to believe they could get ad-free Internet so much that they would OK an additional yearly charge?

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    1. Re:sure it would by LongearedBat · · Score: 2

      How to obtain a good list of major ad-sources?

    2. Re:sure it would by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And we could still have e-comerce on the web, we could still use sites like Amazon rather than having to drive miles to get to a limited selection and pay higher prices at a local "friendly" bookstore. But somehow there would be no advertising.

      The idea that Amazon, or any of e-commerce, would disappear in the absence of ads on the web is really really strange. Do you know that Amazon makes their money off selling things and content, not ads? They buy goods for lower prices then they sell them, and make money on a "markup". And the same is true of all e-commerce sites?

      Like, eBay takes a cut of transactions. It doesn't show ads.

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    3. Re:sure it would by StarryEyed · · Score: 1

      In the US, regular broadcast TV had ads, but was free to watch. Cable TV came out, and had no ads, because you were paying a monthly fee. Now broadcast TV is effectively dead and you still pay that monthly fee for cable TV, where the cable channels are so full of ads it can be hard to tell the ads from the programming.

    4. Re:sure it would by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      If only there were some kind of search website that, with a few key words, would find such lists for you.

      Failing that, you could install the Lightbeam plug-in for Firefox and then see the shocking number of sites that get visited in addition to the websites that you want to visit. It is pretty obvious that some of them are providing the advertising. Even for those who are not, do you really need or want the site that you go to to tell other sites about you by simple links in website that force you to fetch stuff from them? I never use Facebook, will never have a Facebook account. Why do so many different websites think that they need me to get traffic from Facebook? (Even websites that show no Facebook link or logo on them often do this.)

      However, I'll be nice and get you started. Put two lines in your HOSTS file that read

      127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net

      127.0.0.1 ads.doubleclick.net

      and see how nice things get from just that. I learned to do this over a decade ago when some "adware" that I was using not only was delivering ads from doubleclick (which I would have been fine with) but was providing a back door for doubleclick to install other stuff on my system and it was regularly crashing my system. I blocked downloads from doubleclick and my problems went away. Doubleclick has since been sold to Google, but if Google is going to enrich the weasels who were doing that I see no reason to let doubleclick traffic back into my system. (Guess where a lot of Slashdot ads come from.)

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    5. Re:sure it would by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iblocklist.com has lists that can be used with PeerBlock/PeerGuardian and Privoxy also works well.

    6. Re:sure it would by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm

      I've used their lists for years - and only see the rare site-hosted ad :)

  53. slashdot has been reduced some akin to CNN news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No where do they mention where they got this number from, I love those articles that come out and seem to pull numbers from there butt, kind of meaningless, just like the BLS employment statistics. This article, even if it is real is only good for the UK, with there densely packed population, pretty much this article is worthless in calculating any kind of cost for someone in the US, or any other country for that matter.

  54. Almost exactly cost of British TV license fee by ollybee5775 · · Score: 1

    BBC channels are add free in the UK with a mandatory ã145 license fee. If the Interents could work for similar cost I see a win.

    1. Re:Almost exactly cost of British TV license fee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BBC channels are add free in the UK with a mandatory ã145 license fee. If the Interents could work for similar cost I see a win.

      I was thinking the same, then I realized that there would need to be some way to track you in order to serve you an ad free experience, thereby using cookies or some other mechanism, this would benefit the tracking industry instead of the ad industry, and probably making life easier at the NSA to keep tabs on you.

  55. get off mah mah lawnz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was online before the adverts and there was plenty of brilliant content by people for people. I'm always shocked when I use a browser without ad block as to how messy it's become. Who does this ad free payoff go to? Content creators I don't care to support can die for all I care, let them get real jobs. They're not subsidizing my connex through their ads are they.

  56. No Ads = No Tracking? by giltwist · · Score: 1

    While properly crafted ads are not bothersome at all (Text only, no motion pictures, video ads that don't autoplay or are at least muted, etc). I would play that $230 per month to guarantee that I wasn't being tracked. Now THAT would be a way to make the Do Not Track token work better, because then you can say there was some harm to you as a consumer if you were tracked.

    1. Re:No Ads = No Tracking? by giltwist · · Score: 1

      Err per year. Not per month.

  57. i've been using adblock for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also i've never intentionally clicked an advertisement.

  58. or we'll have more by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    If you create a pool of billions of $230 yearly "contributions" to the people who are trying to milk the Internet now, do you really think that the people looking to make easy money from the Internet that you and I already pay to gain access to will go away, or can you understand that there just might be more people attracted by all of that money and looking for ways to establish themselves as Internet Advertisers so that they can get some of that money?

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    I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
  59. What would possibly happen by stikves · · Score: 2

    What would possibly happen is that they will charge you $250 (+20 for various fees), and then still find a way to incorporate ads in the future. Remember how cable subscription you already pay for includes ads in the programming? In fact it already started, even large news outlets are including "adveterials" (sponsored stories), which are even worse than ads (it takes a second to realize they are not in fact real editorial content).

    1. Re:What would possibly happen by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Remember how cable subscription you already pay for includes ads in the programming?"
      you pay for the service of having the shows piped for you, not for the shows.
      Do you think you cable company makes all those shows? The very premise makes NO DAMN SENSE.

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:What would possibly happen by CauseBy · · Score: 1

      If you were right then cable companies wouldn't pay fees back to the channel makers, but they do, so you aren't. Broadcast TV manages to arrive without charging for the piping.

      When you pay for cable you aren't paying for the piping nor are you paying for the content. You are paying because the entire operation from top to bottom is an anti-consumer conspiracy of greed and malice.

  60. Accessibility by tepples · · Score: 1

    If text browsers have a problem finding the start of an article's body on a particular site, some screen readers used by blind people might have the same problem. Report this accessibility problem to the site. If the site still refuses to fix it, find a blind person in your community and a sufficiently sleazy lawyer and have them sue the site under applicable disability discrimination law. It worked against Target.com.

    1. Re:Accessibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't find a blind person in you community then you may need to make one. The sufficiently sleazy lawyer might be a good candidate - two birds with one stone, and all that.

  61. Bring it on by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Advertising is pissing on your brain through your eye sockets.

    Bring on the advertising-free web. The signal-to-noise ratio will improve tremendously.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  62. How to pay writers? by tepples · · Score: 1

    If the web site owners can't afford their own sites, then it is their own fault

    Which raises a question: How do you expect any web site owner to afford his own site?

    We already pay an ISP for having access to the web...

    So from what source of revenue should a site's writers be paid?

    1. Re:How to pay writers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So from what source of revenue should a site's writers be paid?

      In what universe is that my problem?

      The dude that tagged "cock" on the wall I go by on my way to work probably didn't get paid either, even if I read it every day.
      That doesn't mean that he has a right to get paid.
      If someone does work that is rare enough and appreciated it's generally not hard to get paid. The "how is the artist/writer" going to get paid is a question that only arises because there is millions of competitors for a service that while enjoyable is something that people are willing to cut out of their lives.

    2. Re:How to pay writers? by tepples · · Score: 1

      In what universe is that my problem?

      In the universe when you end up having no reliable sources to read about a particular topic because substantially all of them have either put up paywalls or gone out of business.

    3. Re:How to pay writers? by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      I'd be willing to bet that that's never going to happen. Communication is a basic human need and people like to communicate even if there's no monetary reward. Think of it like a hobby - there will always be people wanting to post information about certain topics just because they want to.

      --
      You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
    4. Re:How to pay writers? by tepples · · Score: 2

      you end up having no reliable sources

      Communication is a basic human need and people like to communicate even if there's no monetary reward.

      People also like to spread hoaxes, whether knowingly or unknowingly. That's why I specifically mentioned reliable sources, those "with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy."

    5. Re:How to pay writers? by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      Yes, that could be a problem though we do now have an issue with identifying reliable sources even with loads of ads. In fact, you could argue that the current system tends to promote populist writing and hides more detailed analyses as the increased eyeballs provides a monetary incentive.

      I don't think it would make that much difference in the long run as people have a wide range of motivations rather than just money. Reputation is based on more than just ad revenue.

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      You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
    6. Re:How to pay writers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the web site owners can't afford their own sites, then it is their own fault

      Which raises a question: How do you expect any web site owner to afford his own site?

      We already pay an ISP for having access to the web...

      So from what source of revenue should a site's writers be paid?

      Who really expect anyone to make a living on just a website? Writers can sell books. I'm sure Wil Wheaton, as an example, never expected to make a living on his blog alone. Sell books/eBooks instead if you are a writer. Journalist? I'm sure one is already paid by an employer, else it is just a hobby, or between jobs. Sure, you can put your site behind a paywall, but let us see how popular your site will get with that alone, unless it is really worth buying, such as pr0n, right? :)

  63. It's not possible by allo · · Score: 1

    As soon as you would try to make such a model, everyone would come, create some alibi website and tell the world, he needs one dollar of your 230 USD per year. If there is money, people get greedy.

    1. Re:It's not possible by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Presumable your 230 would be divided up among the site you visit.
      The real problem will be malware that makes it look like you visited a site more often then you actually did.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:It's not possible by allo · · Score: 1

      The model exists and is called flattr. It does not work that good, i guess for serveral reasons:
      - The amount of money you need to spend per month is only 2 Eur
      - Initially everyone needed to pay, now you can receive without paying yourself iirc. So they'll have many "i hope i get flattred but do not contribute myself" users.
      - They have a "like" Button, which needs thirdparty scripts and so on, so it gets blocked by antitracking addons, noscript, adblock, etc. instead of a browseraddon for the contributing user.

  64. Re:it's not the ads it's the surveillance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Install Privacy Badger - it autodetects and blocks third-party tracking cookies, even blocking the whole domain in cases where it's not essential to the page you're visiting. Facebook/Twitter widgets are replaced with simpler click-to-activate widgets. Since most advertisers are scummy, it also serves as a de-facto ad blocker for any ad network that tries to engage in ad surveillance. You can change all the blocking settings per-domain too, just in case there's some third-party jQuery CDN that you need for a particular page.

    It's not 100% perfect, but I honestly think the ad surveillance problem can and will be solved with technical countermeasures first and economic incentives second; if only because the value of ad surveillance is currently too high to pay for. It's something that needs to be built-in to browsers though, or at least widely installed, enough to devalue the practice.

  65. Surveillance and potential malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my experience (and mind you, this can mean little to nothing), ad servers are a big source of malware next to phishing/spam E-mails.

    Malware served via ad servers is insidious. The website gets blamed (even though they have nothing to do with it), the ad server can just point to their customers and do the three monkeys, and the person who made the exploit is long gone. So, until this is cleaned up, I view most ads (except, perhaps Google's which are text) as potential threats. I know this works, as blocking via this manner coupled with sandboxing has kept my stuff quite clean.

    A user who isn't technical, and who ends up paying Gerk Squad [sic] cash to get their computer functional again, $230 a year might be a bargain.

    So, for $230, not being spied on by God knows who, nor having my browser and add-ons attacked by zero-days on a constant basis?

    Want cash, check, or Paypal?

    In the meantime, I'll use NoScript on Firefox, set Chrome to click-to-play, AdBlock on everything, SpywareBlaster to add restricted sites and sites to disallow cookies, and finally a hosts file. These precautions have worked far better than any antivirus utility.

  66. Subscribe to Slashdot by tepples · · Score: 1

    deposit your money directly on my account. You'll then be sure never to see an ad from my webpages.

    Slashdot offers the same deal.

  67. to make up for the lost revenue by l3v1 · · Score: 2

    " each user would have to pay about ã140 ($230) to make up for the lost revenue"

    This sounds crazy, I hope someone realizes that. "Lost revenue" in a businness which only has any revenue at all, because soeone somewhere thought that choking the Internet in a tide of ads must be a good businness model... "Losing" that "revenue" would be lost to those companies who built on this idiotic assumption, also this businness is one of those who drive the whole web into sh*t in the long run.The Internet would function fine, their only problem is that they've grown used to the high revenue stream and reducing or losing it would hurt them. But saying that they couldn't live with a reduced ad revenue and they'd need to push all that revenue's source onto customers to survive is also idiotic - who says they need to have the level of revenue they actually have, or that they actually need to survive at all? :)) I wouldn't mind seeing some of them disappear, they are no friends of mine, that's for sure.

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    I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
    1. Re:to make up for the lost revenue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, and Exactly.

      There's no 10 commandments stating that thou shalt allow web advertisement to exist and flourish. People wanting to share information did so just fine before the advent of advertisements on the web and it would happen just fine without it. If some technology (Adblock) comes out that threatens their existence so easily, then was their business model even legitimate to begin with?

      If I want to share information, I put it out there and pay for the privilege of disseminating it out of my own pocket or find a way to monetize it in a way that my intended audience finds acceptable. Otherwise, don't put it on the web. Write a book, get published. Do it the old fashioned way if you can't handle new technology. I on the other hand will be blocking ALL ads and ALL tracking until I see any personal reason not to. I haven't seen one yet. Forget "acceptable ads", those get blocked as well. Advertisement is meant to create a need in you that wasn't there before. Manipulation.

  68. Re:How would the money be split? What's the incent by allo · · Score: 1

    ads make you buy products you did not intend to buy. apple.com allows you to buy products you wanted to buy before you even visited the page.

  69. CAPTCHA Using Ad-Based Verification by tepples · · Score: 1

    Without a TPM or asking questions about the ads that the user has seen

    Solve Media ads do the latter. Please see the previous Slashdot story CAPTCHA Using Ad-Based Verification.

  70. utterly shocking discovery. by nimbius · · Score: 1

    Video ad platform Ebuzzing calculated the average âvalueâ(TM) of each web user

    in other words, advertising agency insists its products are valuable, lands spot on news site for free.

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    Good people go to bed earlier.
  71. Ask the ignorant again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...after they've been infected and their data encrypted under ransomware, had their identities stolen, or even had to get a credit card re-issued. All of this takes TIME to deal with, and people should realize that buying $230 worth of your time is cheap compared to dealing with these kinds of events.

    But that is why I call them ignorant users. They are smart and we are dumb. They know that this kind of stuff could NEVER happen to them. They bought antivirus software. They use a Mac. They only surf from home and not from public wifi hotspots. They are impervious.

  72. Re:it's not the ads it's the surveillance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disallow cookies, whitelisting only those websites that you have to log in to. Don't use social networks, otherwise don't complain about privacy. Install AdBlock Plus, including the "Easyprivacy" and "Warning Removal" lists, and disallow "non-intrusive advertising". Finally, install NoScript, allowing scripts only from websites that you actually trust (and carefully picking only the domains that offer the actual content, not the ads). It might take a few hours to set everything properly, but it's worth it.

     

  73. Ad Blocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watch a certain YouTuber, he entertains me a lot. I block YouTube ads, so he gets no money from me. He used to take donations, and I was going to send him one, but he stopped taking them (got enough ad revenue he didn't want to bother with donations). I actually feel a bit guilty sometimes about not supporting him, but then again, he does make a living playing video games, and I do suggest to others that they watch him, so I guess it is ok.

  74. No it wouldn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If people aren't willing to pay a given price, it's not a viable price. Anyway the WWW is pretty ad-free for me and installing Adblock+ cost me nothing at all.

  75. Yes, but they should be paying me by CptJeanLuc · · Score: 1

    Yes, if such a system actually worked, I would gladly pay. But in fairness, I should be paying way less than the global average. I have developed pretty good skills of ignoring anything resembling an ad. Actually I make it a point to avoid buying from anyone pushing their ads too aggressively, as long as there is reasonable competition. Probably those ad pushers should be paying me money for not wasting their budgets.

  76. An internet without ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Means more bandwidth for important things and less congestion from ad servers. Throw them on the block I say.

  77. Think the internet is bad by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    Think the internet is bad try reading magazines. We already PAY for every companys advertising. that has been paid with money they get from the sale of there vastly over priced smaller product. I don't block text ads but I don't click on them either never have am I soposta feel some kinda responsibility to buy stuff I don't want or need? Nope I don't feel bad I have already paid at the pump thank you very much. Oh and the ad networds ARE unsafe so am I soposat allow my PC to be compromised so they can feed me a few malware and virus laden ads?? I say no so I block them.

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  78. Study: Pickpocket-free subway would cost ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "to make up for lost revenue" my ass

  79. Even on SLASHDOT.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the longest time I couldn't figure out why I could browse slashdot just fine under Win7, but on my Mac and under Linux, it just killed the system. Everything crawled. Opening multiple stories in tabs was impossible. D'Oh moment. On Win7 I'm paranoid. Everything possible is turned off, including Java & Flash (of course)! On Mac & Linux, things were left on. The video ads on Slashdot tie in through flash. So the Win7 box doesn't see the video ads, but the Macs & Linux boxen do. Plus the Macs and Linux boxes are older. Like 8-12 years older. Video really sucks up the CPU power on those lightweight boxen, to say nothing of wireless bandwidth.

    I wonder how many sites don't realize just how bad those video ads are to their eyeball count? On Google News, there's a few websites I just won't visit. The ads are that awful! And there's always somebody else who's nicer, who doesn't give me the ad-grief.

    1. Re:Even on SLASHDOT.... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Fix your hosts .. your internet browsing will speed up tremendously.

      http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/ho...

    2. Re:Even on SLASHDOT.... by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2

      Fix your hosts ..

      You fool! What have you done?

      APK will be summoned now.

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
    3. Re:Even on SLASHDOT.... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Hehe. /oblg Fool of a Took

      That's ok ... just add this entry :-)

      127.0.0.1 APK

    4. Re:Even on SLASHDOT.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dare you to say his name two more times....

  80. Altruism by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

    I have a small photography journal, free to go to, and while I know it's hosted on Google's blogspot, I don't run any kind of revenue generating ads on it. I know Google has their own monitoring crap built in to blogspot, but I do not think there is anything I can do about that.
    My main site is hosted and paid for fully by me, no ads, nothing, just content. If my hosting costs go up because of increased bandwidth, then I pay the costs. I am happy to see increased traffic, means I must be doing something right.
    But ultimately I'm providing content because I want to, not because I want anything back.
    This is the way it should be.

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    So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
  81. Flawed premise by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Several readers sent word of research into the cost of internet content without ads.

    This presumes that the internet would remain in its identical form without ads. It almost assuredly would not and hence this "analysis" is based upon a useless hypothetical premise.

  82. Parent should be modden funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You couldn't find anything about fashion online. It was only for academic purposes, which are unimportant.

    LOL

  83. It's not a fixed number by Causemos · · Score: 2

    The trouble is advertising is not a fixed number. Firms are constantly looking for ways to increase ad revenue from the same product. Let's add a couple more spots. How about some product placement. Lets sell sponsorships for these segments. It's a never ending process.

    Ultimately they don't seem to care that they are devaluating the very medium used to get the message across.

  84. Inference by Bengie · · Score: 1

    To me this means that on average, companies are making about $230/person/year in ad revenue. This means the ad companies are paying out a minimum of $230, not including increased bandwidth costs, management overhead, and other costs involved with supplying ads. So as a whole, the entire economy will save money than $230/person/year, meaning more money to be used where it should be.

    I was told by once of my professors that about 50% of the cost of enterprise grade software is marketing. This means the software could be 50% cheaper if they weren't trying to shove it down my throat. At the same time, without marketing, I may not have known about the software.

  85. Back when the world was mine. by westlake · · Score: 1

    My intuition is that I'd be just fine with the only content available being content that did not seek a revenue stream. I thought the internet was better back then anyway.

    The geek always thinks that way

    Because way back then the Internet was his personal playground. He was the both content provider and consumer. I haven't forgiven him yet for the multitude of user-unfriendly clients he devised for communication over the snail slow connections of the dial-up modem days.

    1. Re:Back when the world was mine. by causality · · Score: 1

      My intuition is that I'd be just fine with the only content available being content that did not seek a revenue stream. I thought the internet was better back then anyway.

      The geek always thinks that way

      Because way back then the Internet was his personal playground. He was the both content provider and consumer. I haven't forgiven him yet for the multitude of user-unfriendly clients he devised for communication over the snail slow connections of the dial-up modem days.

      Yeah. Currently we're working hard on the problem of operating rooms being doctors' personal playgrounds. Anyone who complains about that, points out that doctors have the expertise, or produces any "practical" reason why surgical procedures were designed that way is, of course, advocating for the evil stranglehold doctors have on performing surgery. The doctors always think that way, you know.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
  86. I remember when the Internet had no ads by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

    Well, minimal ads, anyway. So...what are the benefits of having ads, again? I use AdBlock, so I don't see them, but when I use another machine, I see loads of ads for Progressive Insurance (don't need it, have a deal through my wife's union), Ancestry.com ($20/mo...forget it), and a bunch of other stuff I'm never going to buy. Likewise, the stuff that shows up to the right of my Google searches is hilariously inappropriate. I've clicked on a few of them and they're just link aggregator sites, for the most part. There seems to be an economy in ads, but as to actual useful links that are of interest to me, there's a real shortage there.

    1. Re:I remember when the Internet had no ads by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Blocking ads and privacy filters are a self fulling prophecy when it comes to ad quality. If you don't let yourself get tracked, your ads are going to suck. The ads I typically see are quite useful, but I don't have the money to purchase the items. Kind of nice to know when NewEgg has a 24 hour deal on Seasonic power supplies or Amazon has a deal on an HP managed switch I've been eyeing up. When I use privacy filters, I get all kinds of really crappy non-targeted ads.

  87. Nah, its fine now, dumb people pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people who are so dumb they allow advertisers to use their necktops as part of a money generating botnet. Let the clueless chumps pay with their time, attention, and brain cycles that they really aren't using anyway.

    The smart people block everything and free up their time and attention for the things that are important to them.

    The internet works great now, I get everything I want and I don't see any ads. Occasionally a site will whine about adblock and beg me to turn it off but I just apply a new stylesheet, or hide the offending element and everything is back to normal.

    Is there an adblock that works on 3/4g networks for android yet?

  88. 132% of users do not like adverts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, so if more than 100% of users dislike ads, why advertise at all?

  89. on linux you only worry about tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock and no script do more to keep viruses out of your stuff than antivirus.

    That's actually a very good point. I haven't had a single alert from the AV component of my security suite (software on PC, host and hardware firewalls, etc.) for longer than I can remember, and that was a false positive from an installer. Then again, I whitelist cookies, JavaScript, Flash, etc., block all ads, treat all links/files I get sent with a healthy degree of skepticism, and don't tend to visit sites usually regarded as "suspect" (compromised is another matter, of course), so even the likes of SpyBot S&D and CCleaner seldom flag anything. Given how ineffectual AV is against the latest 0-day vulnerabilites and drive-bys, I'm giving serious thought to just switching off the real-time scanner and running a manual scan every week or so for peace of mind.

    Another satisfied Microsoft customer?

  90. Ad-Free Internet doesn't cost me anything by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

    Just sayin', an ad-free Internet is one browser extension away.

    1. Re:Ad-Free Internet doesn't cost me anything by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Then the site can't get any advertising profit and will die.

    2. Re:Ad-Free Internet doesn't cost me anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So another one will pop up and take it place. Rince repeat.
      Theres no shortage of money grubbing assholes out there, so this will go on forever.

    3. Re:Ad-Free Internet doesn't cost me anything by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Yikes.

  91. This summary is crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact that advertisers SPENT 230 on each user - doesn't mean that's what would be required to run the internet... Does anyone think anymore?
    Lots of people make profits off the infrastructure that's there. Doesn't mean that supports the infrastructure - or that it's required.

  92. paying moar already by amoeba1911 · · Score: 1

    I'm already paying more than four times that amount for Time Warner Cable! Where does that money go? Oh... here's where my money goes: http://www1.salary.com/Robert-... GREED.

  93. So long, you won't be missed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll just run my services myself thanks.

  94. plus the opportunity cost by silfen · · Score: 1

    Ads on the Internet don't just make money for the people selling the ads, they also help bring buyers and sellers together. By analogy, just because you spend $100 on toothpaste per year doesn't mean that a toothpaste-free world would cost you only $100/year; it would likely cost you (or your dental insurance) a lot more.

  95. Remember cable TV? by Scutter · · Score: 1

    When pay TV was first launched, it was with the promise of commercial-free content. That didn't last long. When satellite radio was launched, it was with the promise of commercial-free content. That didn't last long. Subscription-based streaming TV shows (like Hulu Plus)? That didn't last long.

    Once you're used to paying extra for the service, the money grubbers will be back. It's inevitable.

    --

    "Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
  96. What does a site want in Google's index? by tepples · · Score: 1

    They can embed the whole site in a DRM-ed Flash or Silverlight wrapper

    Which means your favorite general-purpose web search engine can't see it to index it. Of course, a site could provide just the title, author, and abstract without digital restrictions management and get those in the index, similarly to how Elsevier journals and WSJ.com present articles to anonymous visitors and to logged-in users whose subscription has lapsed.

  97. If all the ad-supported content vanished... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...would anything of value be lost? We'd lose InfoWorld, eHow, and other low-quality junk content.

  98. Re:A quick couple of things wrong with the study.. by causality · · Score: 2

    2) it did not take into account the costs associated with the malware distributed by the various ad platforms.

    That's not covered by the fee you paid to run Windows?

    --
    It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
  99. Cover-up ad blocker by tepples · · Score: 1

    Which is why we use ad-blocker blocker blockers

    Ad blockers that allow the ad to render and then cover it up exist, but they eliminate the bandwidth and CPU time savings of a normal ad blocker. Like normal ad display, a cover-up ad blocker slows down rendering, drains your device's battery (as its CPU has to come out of sleep mode more often), and runs up a higher data bill with your ISP compared to a normal ad blocker. And as I mentioned above, a cover-up ad blocker fails with interactive advertisements.

  100. Wait... what? by DenaliPrime · · Score: 1

    So... People wouldn't be willing to pay 11-12 pounds (19-20 USD) extra a month for an ad free Internet? Really? o.O

    --
    I! Tego Arcana Dei.
  101. LOL Study Methodology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The way they just divided advertising price by the number of users and bingo-bango, that's our number! Hilarious. Even ignoring the fact that when you up and remove things, other things change in response, this is still WAY too simplistic. It's like the study who found that there were millions of "hungry people" in the United States. Their methodology: take the number of people who used food stamps and divide it by the number eligible for food stamps.

    1. Re:LOL Study Methodology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, what's this 'free internet' business? I pay over $500 a year right now just in connection fees.

  102. Fiction by Teunis · · Score: 1

    It's a complete fiction.

    For ad revenue to count towards cost of internet infrastructure, it would be having to go into funding within the infrastructure, not to "outside interests" who are - in their own ways - increasing costs by pulling "eyes".

    TAANSTAFL maybe, but I think a lot of these "services" are overvaluing their "product".

  103. $230 isn't at all unreasonable by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

    But I'm not concerned with advertising as much as I'm concerned with tracking. How much for a year of tracking-free internet?

    --
    You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
  104. Re:A quick couple of things wrong with the study.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3. It did not take into account the price increases of the products necessary to pay for the advertising. The money to pay for the advertising comes from purchasers of the products. If the advertisers weren't earning more than enough extra to more than cover their advertising costs, they wouldn't be advertising. Therefore, if all the purchasers used the internet, their collective savings in purchases would exceed their ad-free internet cost.

  105. software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    good job ad blockers are free then

  106. Re:A quick couple of things wrong with the study.. by StormReaver · · Score: 1

    1) it was conducted by a company that is in the business of providing internet ads

    .
    2) it did not take into account the costs associated with the malware distributed by the various ad platforms.

    3) The World Wide Web is not the Internet.

    All of the highly modded postings up to now have missed this crucial point entirely. The Web has nothing to do with the Internet, aside from being the mechanism by which the bytes are transferred.

    The Web has very little to do with the cost of an Internet connection, except as a selling point for most people to subscribe to an ISP.

  107. A lot of the cost is for the ads by Subm · · Score: 1

    How much of the cost of the internet goes to costs of the ads?

    They seem like most of the bandwidth on many sites.

    Take them out and the cost would probably drop to $2.30.

  108. Marketing spin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the cost of the Internet is borne by advertisers, who pays them? Leprechauns? If you were going to say "companies that want to sell something", take that question one layer deeper so ask where these companies get the money to pay for the advertising. Oh, that's right it's us.

    This is pure marketing BS to try to make us feel better about the garbage they're trying to push down our throats!

  109. Bandwidth by DrYak · · Score: 2

    (2) Ads you don't see will still count against your bandwidth cap,

    Actually, given the prices practised by some ISP, if this number is correct
    ads cost you, the end user, *MORE MONEY* (in terms of bandwidth, specially the "video" kind of ads) than earn money back to the ad-supported website.

    And then you wonder why I prefer using Adblock/Noscript, etc. and donating a few bucks (bitcoin,etc.) to website I like the most.

    --
    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
    1. Re:Bandwidth by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Wish I could mod you up. The truth is that a lot of ads cause far more annoyance than they ever pay back to the sites they are on. If you ever look into it, rates for ads are abysmal. Unless you're bringing in a huge amount of views, it's usually not worth the bother and even if you are, it still might not be.

  110. Bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember the internet before the corporations, governments and rest of the world got here. It was pure bliss.

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  112. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  113. Every advertiser's a spammer... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody likes ads on TV (hence HBO's success for decades) & the web. They slow you down, infect you with malicious script, + consume memory, cpu, & other forms of I/O as well, & interrupt you (unwantedly). Websites, in particular, would survive just fine minus ads. They did & have before for sites serious/passionate about what it is they are about, so no amount of crap about "ads support websites" works as a counter-argument. They support those profiting off of ripping off the speed/bandwidth you paid for out of pocket to be online, by psychologically attacking you to take your money that way too trying to sell you crap you do NOT really need (ala "if you drink this beer, you will have this car, these women, & these clothes + tons of 'friends'" when the truth is, that lifestyle will take all of that from you). Why do you think marketing budgets are larger than R&D ones in corporations? This form of psychological attack, works (on weak minded idiots that can't see the "Coffee is free" & in fine print or hushed tones "$5000 U.S. Dollar and way more cup rental"). Imo, it is outright stupid to give more monies to advertisers vs. R&D departments actually working to create better physical (key) products, not intangle b.s. in ads!

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  115. Adblock = inferior + 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  116. As we celebrate mediocrity; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the boys upstairs want to see;
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  117. no different than newspaper by renegade600 · · Score: 1

    I will block ads and see no problems with it. I see it no different than taking the sales circulars out of the local paper and tossing before reading. I think more people, including me, would not block the ads if there were not so "in your face". Just keep them simple, and not so obtrusive and I would not block them. If they would stop with the data collecting, I would not block them. If some did not pass on malware, I would not block them.

  118. Via native browser methods (clarityray)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  119. Ad-free Combo by watcher-rv4 · · Score: 1

    AdBlock Edge + Disconnect + NoScript + RefControl. No ads and basic tracking control.

  120. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out'... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  121. Feasibility by onproton · · Score: 1

    Even if we could somehow set up a system where every internet user pays $230/year to some central authority - how would it be distributed to the site owners etc.? I think this study is more indicative that perhaps internet advertisements are too inexpensive. How much per person would it take to get rid of television advertisements? My guess is a lot more.

  122. I don't WANT to block ads but... by morgauxo · · Score: 1

    I don't mind seeing some advertising. I would rather not block the ads so that the people who are providing me with whatever I do want to see can get something out of it. But.. then there's those damn video ads, flash monstrosities which make the browser slow to a crawl and those horrible things that 'cover up' the content you want to see until a timer goes off or you press a tiny little X or something...

    Those kinds of things make me switch on the ad blocking software. Unfortunately then the 'nice advertisers' suffer too.

  123. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' vs. hosts... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  124. Sounds profitable by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 1

    This is an odd way to look at who is paying for an ad-full internet. We are already paying for the ads, saying that in some way it would cost us that much to get rid of them is gibberish. The study would have been great if it weren't for the twisted logic applied to it.

    --
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    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part: hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  127. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' vs. hosts... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part: hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  128. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' vs. hosts... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part: hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  129. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' vs. hosts... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part: hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  130. Won't cost a dime, you already have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part: hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  131. Ads or Paywalls, take your pick by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    How do you propose to reimburse people who generate or curate content, such as the editors at Slashdot, or the writers at Cracked or the Onion?

    With every content media you pay for the medium (paper, traditionally for magazines and newspapers) but that barely covers materials and distribution. The advertising pays for creating the content.

    --
    Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    1. Re:Ads or Paywalls, take your pick by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How do you propose to reimburse people who generate or curate content, such as the editors at Slashdot, or the writers at Cracked or the Onion?

      I don't. The slashdot editors don't deserve any money, since they don't actually do their job. Cracked regularly slips some completely ignorant or perhaps willful bullshit into their top ten lists, where anyone with even passing familiarity can see they have no fucking clue what they're on about. The Onion will get paid by someone, but not me, and if not, no great loss. Only a small handful of their articles are actually better than the basic internet noise floor, and those articles cost nothing to write and can exist without The Onion.

      In short, nothing of value will be lost if all of those outlets disappear. All the same content can exist without them. Especially slashdot editors.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  132. Re:A quick couple of things wrong with the study.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it also didn't take into account that we *already pay that* in the products we buy. that ad money doesn't come from nowhere.

  133. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out'... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part: hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  134. AdBlock/Ghostery = inferior + 'souled-out' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part: hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  135. Add in the cost of male ware and they owe us! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How convenient they only calculated what is owed by the users and no mention of the costs of male ware.

  136. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part: hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  137. True story: AdBlock vs. hosts... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant its creator: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  138. Re:it's not the ads it's the surveillance. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    The self-destructing cookies plugin for Firefox has the cookie management policy that I want. Sites can leave whatever cookies they want, but they are silently removed when I navigate away from the page (there's also an undo feature, so if I realise after navigating away that I actually wanted the site to store something persistent, I can retrieve it). It also does the same for HTML5 local storage and will aggressively delete tracking cookies from ad networks. It needed basically no configuration other than to whitelist a few sites as I go.

    I'd love to see Microsoft and Apple integrate this kind of functionality into IE and Safari. I doubt Google would do the same for Chrome, as they rely too heavily on aggressive tracking for making money. I don't really understand why Apple and Microsoft don't aggressively push privacy features in their browsers: they'd get good PR and hurt one of their competitors at the same time...

    --
    I am TheRaven on Soylent News
  139. A cheap semi solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should simply make advertising a non tax deductible expense.
    You can still advertise, but the rest of us are no longer going to help pay for it.
    It's almost all pollution.

  140. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

    1. Re:Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything?

      You and Hairyfeet should get together. Not responding to your testosterone chest-beating just means he doesn't like fighting trolls. Although him contacting you in the first place, if true, would be a black mark on him.

      And could you elaborate what you mean by "AdBlock is 'souled-out' to Google" please?

      --
      Unity? Screw that: XFCE. Slashdot Beta? Screw that: SoylentNews. Australis? Screw that: Pale Moon. UX developers DIAF
    2. Re:Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the simple truth, a hosts file blocks for everything you run on your computer. A browser add-on doesn't.

  141. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  142. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  143. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  144. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  145. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  146. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  147. Re:A quick couple of things wrong with the study.. by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

    1) it was conducted by a company that is in the business of providing internet ads

    After reading Slashdot for a few years now, my first reaction to any study is looking for who funded it so I can figure out how it's a blatant lie.

    There are far too few false positives.

    --
    Unity? Screw that: XFCE. Slashdot Beta? Screw that: SoylentNews. Australis? Screw that: Pale Moon. UX developers DIAF
  148. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  149. Demands Thorough Economic Analysis... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No way, I say! Eliminating ads and surveillance should cut bandwidth/cpu requirements in half easily, not to mention the added cost of humans in the background buying, selling, creating those ads.

  150. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  151. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  152. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  153. The biggest positive effect of no ads by rundgong · · Score: 1

    The biggest positive effect of no ads would be that sites could stop with the click-baiting.

    Today lots of sites write misleading sensationalist headlines or leave out important details in summaries just to maximize the click-through and the number of shown ads.
    Imagine if all those writers spent their time on writing text that benefits the reader instead of the advertiser.

    For that I would gladly pay $230.

    1. Re:The biggest positive effect of no ads by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Nope. Your $230 would have to be divided somehow and sent to the various web sites you go to. This means that, instead of clickbait to get you to a page with ads on it so the site gets paid for the ads, there'd be clickbait to get you to a page where the site would be paid directly.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    2. Re:The biggest positive effect of no ads by rundgong · · Score: 1

      Obviously they can not get paid by the click, if we want to get rid of click-baiting.
      But this is no different from how things work offline. Newspapers that are mostly subscribed have less sensationalist headlines, compared to newspapers that are sold single copy at the news stand.

    3. Re:The biggest positive effect of no ads by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but some variant of pay-by-click was the only way I could think of to make this work across the web. I'd love to hear a good alternative.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  154. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  155. Ads have grown too obnoxious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From what I have read and heard, most people would not mind static ads (not pop-ups, but part of a static web page). What people object to are the obnoxious flashing/animated/video with loud audio type ads. When ads distract people from the content that they wish to read/see, that is annoying. The more annoying the ads are, the more they drive people to use ad-blocking software. Therefore the more annoying ads get in their attempts to get attention, the more self-defeating they are, as more people will block them.

    The answer is not for people to have to pay more for ad-free internet service, but for the ads to become less annoying and obnoxious. Unfortunately for the advertisers, they have already created a base of internet users who will always block ads no matter how low key they are. The longer advertisers persist in pushing ads that are more and more annoying and obnoxious, the larger this base of ad-blocking internet users will grow, and the less ad revenue they will get.

  156. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out'... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    (Details of benefits in link)

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  157. Re:AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' vs. hosts... by causality · · Score: 1

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org])

    That this can happen, I do not dispute. But I believe the case for it is being severely overstated by people who *ahem* have a vested interest in promoting alternatives to browser add-ons.

    I currently run Firefox with 24 addons installed and actively enabled. This is mostly for ad-blocking and privacy-enhancing, with a few miscellaneous add-ons like one that restores the old-style Stop button behavior (stops animated GIFs as well as page loads). Since you seem to appreciate bold: there is no slowdown or latency problem that I can subjectively notice. If my addons are "slowing down the browser" they're doing it below the threshold of what a human can detect. I consider that a good and reasonable trade-off to make on my own systems.

    On memory... I have 26 tabs open with a wide variety of sites loaded, many of which are content-heavy. This browser instance has been running continuously for many days. KSysGuard gives a nice breakdown of the memory usage of my Firefox process and this is the summary:

    -----

    Summary

    The process firefox (with pid 5618) is using approximately 993.9 MB of memory.
    It is using 971.4 MB privately, 15.6 MB for pixmaps, and a further 26.5 MB that is, or could be, shared with other programs.
    Dividing up the shared memory between all the processes sharing that memory we get a reduced shared memory usage of 7.0 MB. Adding that to the private and pixmap usage, we get the above mentioned total memory footprint of 993.9 MB.

    -----

    Another section mentions that the 15.6MB for pixmaps may be stored on the graphics card's memory. At any rate, this is nowhere near 4+ gigs. Nor have I ever, with any version of Firefox, experienced anything remotely like 4GB of memory usage. This is a 64-bit system running a 64-bit Firefox that I compiled from source (your article mentions the memory penalty for Adblock is higher on 64-bit systems, which makes sense when you understand what that means). This system has 8GB of RAM installed, so ~994MB is negligible to me. For a little perspective, currently about 6GB is being used for buffers and disk cache, since this is what Linux does with memory that would otherwise be empty and therefore doing nothing. If I run a Windows game via WINE then that comes down to 4-5GB for buffers/cache since about another 1-2 gigs of memory becomes used.

    Incidentally, I don't run Windows so I don't use your hosts file tool (and even if I ran Windows I'd probably rather roll my own, nothing personal). But I do use a comprehensive /etc/hosts file. I believe that good security is done in overlapping, interlocking layers. "Security" does not mean just remote attackers, but also anything intrusive I don't want, like advertisers and their tracking. I use an /etc/hosts file AND Adblock Plus, NoScript, Privacy Badger, Ghostery, and several others. What one of them alone does not catch, another one will.

    Instead of viewing browser add-ons as an obstacle in your path to promoting your own solution, you could learn to work with them, use them effectively, and incorporate them into a multi-layered approach that includes all the work you've put into hosts files. Everyone would benefit that way, especially your users.

    --
    It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
  158. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  159. Cable TV tried this by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

    Back in the 1980s, many channels on Cable TV had zero ads.

    By the 1990s, every channel had ads. And the cost of Cable TV continued to rise. By 2000 I pulled the plug and swore off broadcast TV. I pay for viewing privileges, not for ads.

    I'm not easily convinced anymore when a sales pitch promises ad free content.

    --
    Eternity: will that be smoking, or non-smoking? I Corinthians 6:9-10
  160. Re:AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' vs. hosts... by causality · · Score: 1

    Incidentally I also use the Linux kernel feature called Transparent Hugepage Support. I set it to "Always" (as opposed to only when a program specifically wants it enabled). This is known to increase the memory footprint of applications, though by how much I couldn't tell you. The idea of this feature is: the operating system's memory allocator is gaining increased performance ("This feature can improve computing performance to certain applications by speeding up page faults during memory allocation, by reducing the number of tlb misses and by speeding up the pagetable walking") at the cost of higher memory usage.

    Just thought I'd mention that since it may be relevant.

    --
    It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
  161. Only 16% use ad blockers ? by bobjr94 · · Score: 1

    Why are all these people still looking at ads ? Ive been using firefox with adblock for I dont know how long, must been someplace like 8 or 10 years. As as bonus you don't get any virus or malware or super loud video ads popping up while your at work.

  162. What they define as the internet by LessThanObvious · · Score: 1

    Their definition of the internet is a little off. It's not the internet, but all the services on the web that we take for granted as being free. My Comcast bill would not change for lack of ads, my ability to use the internet to access sites made freely available would not change without ads. What would change is that search engines would have to be subscription services paid either by the user or the sites indexed. Facebook, YouTube and email services would have to charge users. Companies would simply no longer be able to operate 150,000 servers to provide a service that isn't billable.

  163. This is a really stupid study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a developer, I expect that more than half of the advertising revenue is not spent on content, it is spent on selling more ads, modifying sites to accept new/more advertising, researching the effectiveness of the advertising, etc.

  164. TechCrunch article & others informed me... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...

    * And, "there ya go" (I don't & WON'T state things typically MINUS backing of somekind by a reputable enough sources...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Hairyfeet's good people (started out in a HUGE fight w/ him though, on hosts vs. dns! Eventually, he saw my points (i.e.-> hosts don't waste electrical power & resources + adding more "moving parts" room for breakdown AND the fact Kaminsky's security redirect flaw exists & worst on 99.999% of ISP DNS server, unpatched though a patch exists mind you + how hosts can FIX your fav. sites you spend most of you time online @ vs. that flaw, and speed you up resolving them locally & make them more reliable vs. dns outage) - he then switched to AdBlock - which my posts you replied to show is BLATANTLY inferior (so much so, the author WON'T even debate it with me as I showed) - he knows my points, & won't debate them with me either (matter of pride, maybe? Not sure, doesn't matter... he's great @ hardware imo, a strong point for him as a shop owner with great "connection" to what's-what in the street that way/his target market)... apk

  165. What video ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I looked all over the Lynx settings and for the life of me cannot get video ads to play. :(

  166. Re:How would the money be split? What's the incent by jfengel · · Score: 1

    I think it's more useful to think of the number as a quantification of how much that advertising is worth: that's the amount of money operators are depending on (one way or the other) to keep providing what they're providing.

    How you actually get it to them is a whole different question. They've talked about micropayments and subscription models and other things, but ads have the nice characteristic of requiring zero overhead for the viewer. There's nothing to install; you "pay" just by having it on your screen. Whether it's actually worth it to the advertiser is insanely difficult to say, but they are (at least for the moment) actually forking over the money.

    Everybody would love a more precise system, where you pay for the page views that are of interest to you, but that shifts the burden from millions-of-site-operators to billions-of-viewers, and they're all incensed about having to "pay" for something they were previously getting for "free". People keep trying things, but it comes as no surprise to me that for a lot of side, throwing a few basic ads onto the page for pennies-per-thousand-impressions is the easiest way to monetize their effort, at least for the vast array of small sites.

    Big sites (like Slashdot) can do better, because the economies of scale make it worth the overhead to try to get money from viewers, and maybe some day we'll get that packaged down to a point where other sites can get it. But since the total sum of money is pretty substantial, I think a lot of viewers will say, "I hate ads, but I hate paying even more."

  167. What makes no sense? by hurfy · · Score: 1

    My cable company DOES make a quarter of those shows now.
    The other cable company ...um used to? ...I gave up trying to decipher Time-Warner.

  168. "ChestBeating" on my part? No, just facts... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, I merely state facts: Look - I fairly challenged AdBlock's author to show adblock does more than hosts, more efficiently too, and with less moving parts... he can't, + he outright ran (I sent it from 2 diff. email accounts no less so he can't claim he "blocked me" after HE emailed me first which even YOU concede was lame of him (worse was me flooring him, AND ABLOCK, totally though - lol, with facts/truth))...

    THAT, truly IS, that. Purest FACT & truth, nothing more + all I need to prove my point(s).

    (No excuses for it after what he wrote me... so I dusted him for it and am showing everyone the simple truth of it - that's all, & that is that HOSTS are SUPERIOR to "Almost ALL Ads Blocked", especially crippled by default & 'souled-out' like it is, per TechCrunch + other sites' articles on it...)

    Is it MY fault I take on & absolutely DUST any + all competitors in this area by doing it better? No.

    APK

    P.S.=> Care to debate that? I hope so... Your "hero" Palant wouldn't, & RAN like a scared rabbit - period & since he coded on a lousy inefficient foundation doing far less AND using more SLOWER level "moving parts" to boot - his work is INFERIOR to mine, period/no questions asked... apk

  169. Re:How would the money be split? What's the incent by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    I think the article made a wrong assumption. That $230 per user (assuming only first world countries??) is to make up for lost advertisement revenue. However, where is the requirement that we must make up all lost advertisement revenue? Is it our duty to ensure that Google keep making massive amounts of money, do we need to keep having rich executives? A better question is how much does it cost to pay for the internet without ads: the amount to pay for the infrastructure and upgrades and *only* the nodes we visit (I refuse to pay to support Facebook or Twitter as I never visit those sights). I suspect it's much much less than $230.

    Companies need to learn how to do things the old fashioned way, earning money by selling products rather than by selling advertisements.

  170. Re:AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' vs. hosts... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Please stop putting advertisements into slashdot.

  171. Re:it's not the ads it's the surveillance. by Cardoor · · Score: 1

    i know, right?!?! why wont anyone believe me when i tell them that its my 'scientific research' and inefficient ad-targeting algorithms that are causing all the bondage-dildo popups in my browser?!?!

    and everyone knows those tiny darn little X's to close the popups are nearly impossible to click on .. .hence, my browser history....

  172. Or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a site can't stay alive without plastering itself wall to wall with ads, maybe, just maybe, it shouldn't be on the internet in that form. If the content is so useful that people would pay for it, then by all means go to a subscription model. But if, as so many news aggregators, your content is completely fungible, you might stop to think if your business model, or even your very existance on the internet, is viable at all.

    TL;DR: supply useful content -> people will pay, supply superfluous drivel -> go extinct. This is the way of the world.

  173. Ads will be around a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks to Google ads won't be going away. I would not be surprised if ads find a way around blockers. Then we can all thank those anal ad haters for yet again raising the bar like they did when pop up blockers had to be used. I just accept the ads like I do anywhere, its not like ads are not everywhere these days. Really, just move on and ignore them as I do.

  174. People are bad at math by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    When you say $230, people are going to compare what you're offering -- ad-free browsing, in this case -- to whatever else they can buy for $230. Maybe it's a new phone, or some clothes, or whatever it is non-nerds spend money on. (Dates?) Regardless, it's probably going to be more satisfying than ad-free browsing.

    If you rephrase it as $20/mo, you'll have a lot more takers. $20 falls into most people's "impulse buy" category. $20 will get you an order of pizza, or a short taxi ride, or a ballcap. They don't have to consider whether they can afford it, or what else they can do with that money.

  175. Now, how much are ads costing us? by Art3x · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just $20 a month? And that's from someone biased towards it?

    Anyway, now let's see a study of how much advertising has cost each of us from:
    - clicking, scrolling, and squinting for the actual content
    - giving up, quitting, clicking back, and missing something
    - buying, setting up, and using antivirus and adblocking software
    - buying some of the frivolous things advertised, after at last being worn down by it, even a bit
    - waiting for the page to load
    - waiting for computer to run at all, given the heavy load some of our protective software puts on our computers

  176. Third option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does every one always forget the third option.
    If you really want to stop advertising on the internet.
    you can always go to an the ad agency and set the building on fire.
    running an ad agency is like running a garbage company that dumps toxic waste in the park.

  177. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  178. Advertising Model Backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These companies that want us consumers to view their advertising should be paying us a lot more than 230 british pounds a year. I refuse to be sold crap by greedy overpriced corporations that are constantly interupting my television shows. They've got this backwards.

  179. Revenue doesn't equal cost by matbury · · Score: 1

    Don't confuse revenue with cost. By the author's calculations, the internet in the UK generates £140 revenue on average per user. That's not what it costs to run the internet, which is substantially lower or else the companies selling services and ads wouldn't make any profit. What proportion of that £140 goes to Google as pure profit, tax free? And how much money are addThis.com et al making by selling your details and metadata on to loan sharks, online gambling, aggressive opportunistic sales agencies (AKA con men), etc.? Should we include that in the price it costs to "run the internet"?

  180. Re:it's not the ads it's the surveillance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heh, I once bought some Doris Day/Rock Hudson DVDs as a present for my mom. Autosuggest kept sending me titles of 'gay interest' for months.

  181. Conflating the Internet and web, but still CHEAP by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    The article is conflating the web and the Internet, as usual.. sigh..

    So what do they actually mean? I presume they really just mean web sites (articles).. Not something like Hulu Plus. I hate regular ads(*) with a passion. I love Tivo, but if there were something like an ad free Hulu Plus, or Netflix with current shows _AND_ past shows, I'd pay a lot for it, instead of regular cable. (I'd expect/want to watch it on TV, not just a computer/phone/tablet.)

    Though, even if JUST for web sites, that's freaking cheap. I'd pay it in a minute... and I'm VERY frugal.

    (*) Though it bugs some people, product placement very very rarely bugs me, even really blatant ones like on Survivor.

  182. "Best you've got" = bogus downmods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject-line, & here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... and here http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    ?

    * Apparently so... lol!

    (DarinBob = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" from a COMPLETELY FAIR & HONEST CHALLENGE put to him... makes sense: See the link in my 'p.s.' below as well - it's no "1st" for him vs. myself, except that was regarding programming & string handling in PASCAL which I wrote my program for hosts -> APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit in http://start64.com/index.php?o... & it does TONS of string handling in Object Pascal engines of Delphi, despite DarinBob's b.s. I scorched him on in the past shown below...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Tell us more about stringhandling in PASCAL DarinBob -> http://developers.slashdot.org... ok? While you're @ it, why NOT take the challenge I gave you, fairly, to disprove my points on hosts adding more speed, security, reliability + more for users, with THEIR direct input & control, from a faster level of ops BEFORE browser addons even BEGIN to work, more efficiently yet doing MORE with less too, vs. inferior browser addons (like almost all ads blocked) & even fixing up DNS security shortcomings? WE KNOW WHY... apk

  183. To the downmodder of my post... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for showing others you have ZERO vs. my valid points in favor of hosts files over ANY other competing product (since "the best you've got" = unjustifiable downmods, nothing more, + certainly NOTHING to disprove the facts from reputable sources I use).

    * :)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're pitiful, + "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... (especially DarinBob the b.s. artist)... apk

  184. To the downmodder of my post... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for showing others you have ZERO vs. my valid points in favor of hosts files over ANY other competing product (since "the best you've got" = unjustifiable downmods, nothing more, + certainly NOTHING to disprove the facts from reputable sources I use).

    * :)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're TRULY pitiful, + "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... (especially DarinBob the b.s. artist)... apk

  185. To the downmodder of my post... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for showing others you have ZERO vs. my valid points in favor of hosts files over ANY other competing product (since "the best you've got" = unjustifiable downmods, nothing more, + certainly NOTHING to disprove the facts from reputable sources I use).

    * :)

    This is EXACTLY how I know I did a better job than the "open sores" crowd, from "lil' ole' me" no less (who's bigger & BETTER than the best of you!).

    That last paragraph ought to "get a rise" out of you weasels downmodding me... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're pitiful, + "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... (especially DarinBob the b.s. artist)... apk

  186. You overlook security, reliability, & more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You ESPECIALLY want to review what I wrote here Barb, point-by-point (disprove it - oh, that's right, you've tried AND RAN -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... )

    This week too no less, despite stating you "disproved my points" (no Barb, you didn't and RAN when challenged to do so... lol!).

    Others can see YOU doing a LOT OF TALKING (& then outright running when I shot you down on each of your libelous lies too ESPECIALLY here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... )

    Lastly BarbHudson=TomHudson=Barbara, Not Barbie (your multiple sockpuppet accounts here on /. you used to mod yourself up and your opponents DOWN with who got the best of you, like me?) - You're now telling us NOT to make what we have as FAST & EFFICIENT as possible too??

    Go away... lol, & YOU want to run for politics? Don't! We don't need another "good enough for government work" waster of taxes, given your viewpoint.

    APK

    P.S.=> You make or did you make monies from ads YOURSELF, Barb, on websites you had? Answer that too, & reveal yourself (if you do, you KNOW I have you on THAT too... truth is like that)... apk

  187. Lawl. "Lost revenue." by Pyrion · · Score: 1

    Anytime some corporate shill complains about "lost revenue" I feel the urge to strangle them for all that lost oxygen.

    --
    "There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge." - Bertrand Russell.
  188. Re:AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' vs. hosts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    darinbob so it's ok to do for adblock posts but not on hosts which are provably better?

  189. Found your problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Found your problem, dude. It's down in your sig.

  190. I deserve what I earn by Zynder · · Score: 2

    I know you're trying to push an eco friendly agenda there but let me ask you a question. Is it better for the environment to waste $10 of electricity a month to keep a system on but idling or is it more eco friendly to throw my blown up system in the trash and have a factory construct me a new one? Remember constructing circuit boards and semiconductors is a nasty business. I am an electrical engineer. I know from years of experience that pretty much any time a system I was responsible for failed, it was due to the initial power-on inrush current. Usually exploding power supplies, regulators, or capacitors. On systems that are left on for years at a time, about the only failure experienced is a dead hard drive or an overheat due to a dead fan, which are mechanical failures normally. Power cycling a PC daily just seems to up the chances of the PSU blowing up. I have no citations other than my own observations, but any system I have that will be used with any amount of frequency will be on 24/7/365.

    I worked for a good education so I could make a good wage which allows me the ability to pay for increased electricity and bandwidth needed. It's a cost of doing business. It speaks volumes about your character that you believe that Rick and I deserve "harm" because we don't live the way you'd like us to. I don't know about Rick there, but I earn my own way and what I do "deserve" is to reap the benefits of it. If you want to sip electrons then you do it. If you want to guzzle them, then you do it. Either way, I'm not wishing ill will on you for your decision.

  191. Fix the ads and I'll stop blocking them by melting_clock · · Score: 1

    My problems with ads are, in order of priority, 1) Security, 2) Privacy and 3) Intrusiveness. Ads have long been a major source of drive by downloads for malicious software but the ad companies refuse to take responsibility and prevent this happening, proving that they cannot be trusted. Ad companies steal personal information and do not respect our privacy; it is a core part of their business to profile everyone for their advertising and they have become so bad that they are no better than hackers. Ads that flash, show popups, or other intrusive nonsense piss me off.

    We should not be expected to comprise our online safety for ads. Fix those problems and I'll stop blocking them. Firewalls, URL/keyword filtering on routers, security software (including AdBlock and NoScript) and avoiding heavy advertising sites means that I rarely see an Ad. There are several ad supported sites that I have whitelisted because they never show intrusive ads and their ads are relevant to the site content, although the worst ad networks still don't get onto my networks.

  192. Re:it's not the ads it's the surveillance. by Zynder · · Score: 1

    Because they aren't attempting to crush their competition by innovating or being a better product. They've all seen how much money the Goog makes from ads and they've decided the best way to get theirs is to emulate the methods of success that have been "proven" a net positive. This mentality is part of the meaning of Extend, Embrace, Extinguish at least to me.

  193. really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    crazy talk, it's like removing adverts along roads would imply that drivers would have to pay sb for lost revenue

  194. Precedent by I_Wrote_This · · Score: 1

    Interestingly the cost is very similar to the UK TV licence cost, which funds the ad-free (in the UK) BBC.

  195. Useful content? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps without that money we would see less crappy content promoted by SEO. SEO has its price too...

  196. Focus by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    I suspect that if most people were faced with the choice of paying for all ad-driven sites would simply not go to most sites. I could live with a only a few sites, StackOverflow being a huge one, a mapping web site, a classified ads site, etc. Do I really need to watch russian drivers crash into each other?

  197. How does that add up? by durin · · Score: 1

    I pay >$500/yr today. For slow internet with ads.

    Where do I sign up?

    --
    Why, yes! I AM new here.
  198. Re:it's not the ads it's the surveillance. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if this will change, given all of the reports about web advertising being a bubble. Advertisers are starting to notice that, for most of them, the ROI is tiny and that's eventually going to trickle up the supply chain. If Microsoft were smart, they'd sell off their ad business while it's still at an overinflated price and then work to kill the market.

    --
    I am TheRaven on Soylent News
  199. Re:it's not the ads it's the surveillance. by Warbothong · · Score: 1

    If I could be sure I could be surveillance free I'd pay $230. But I don't see how that is possible. How would I know?

    Simple; every site you visit can use cookies, Flash supercookies, third-party Javascript, user-agent sniffing and mouse-movement tracking to identify and monitor everything you do, in order to make sure it's not being surveilled.

    Of course, there's always the chance that such power will be abused. To prevent this, we can have an alliance of government spy agencies keep a look out by tapping undersea cables, collating the data in vast stores for data mining, purchase known security vulnerabilities, employ legions of crackers to find more, deliberately weaken security standards, disseminate malware and intercept datacentre traffic.

    Of course, there's always the chance that such power will be abused. To prevent this, we can have secret courts hold secret sessions to make secret rulings based on secret interpretations of the law.

    Of course, there's always the chance that such power will be abused. To prevent this, we can have oversight committees which publically state that none of this is going on, then when the details emerge they have the choice of either admitting that they completely failed in their job, or that they were lying.

    Of course, there's always the chance that such power will be abused. To prevent this, we can hold democratic elections to choose which one of the two available crooks should get that power.

  200. Huh?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    However, while most consumers regard ads as a necessary trade-off to keep the internet free, they will go to great lengths to avoid advertising they do not wish to see.

    Last time I checked you pay to use the Internet, remember them ISPs and the monthly Internet costs...

  201. Re:it's not the ads it's the surveillance. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    If Microsoft were smart, they'd sell off their ad business while it's still at an overinflated price and then work to kill the market.

    Isn't it illegal to even make a plan like that? You'd have to disclose to future buyers that you planned to fucking kill them.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  202. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  203. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  204. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  205. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  206. AdBlock has a vested interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In getting paid off by Google and other advertisers http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... and it also appears to be vastly inferior in terms of abilities and efficiency versus hosts files so why work with a vastly inferior and redundant needless slower mode of operation slowing up a browser even more with messagepassing overheads and huge memory inefficiency too? You don't make any sense. Hosts are also multiplatform (so they run on any operating system) and a technically superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses).

  207. Re:TangoMargarine shot down #1 of 2... apk by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

    God, you can stop posting the same stuff 12 times per article, dude. I got the information.

    And I can also do without the chest-beating and calling me feeble. Grow up.

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  208. Apk didn't call you feeble. You did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are feeble though since you're running from a challenge he gave you http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    1. Re:Apk didn't call you feeble. You did by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Not quite sure how that's a challenge...it's an infodump of declarative statements saying his program is good.

      And as stated previously, I have no desire to compare penis sizes. Presumably he/you'd reject any arguments I made anyway. Posting the same thing 12 times an article for years is a fairly good indication he's not open to having his mind changed :)

      AdBlock works well, and you don't have to manually tinker with much of anything. Throw in Element Hiding Helper for click-based blocking for the edge cases. If you *enjoy* messing with fiddly bits, good on you--I can understand that as I rather enjoy setting up a new Linux install myself. But at a certain point I just become tired of all the fiddly bits and want something to Just Work(tm).

      P.S: I'm sure you'll ignore all these points and just keep ranting about HOSTS so good day, sir.

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  209. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regarding AdBlock/W. Palant: He wrote me by email, 1st mind you, stating "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency he was proven in research by others to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & he can't show adblock does more (especially crippled by default + 'souled-out' to GOOGLE).

    Additionally - I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result:

    Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later (that tell you anything? It did me - he knows his addon is far inferior to hosts & certainly less efficient by far also) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit...

    ClarityRay is also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (however - it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock & any browser addon (or combo of them, from 1 FILE you already natively possess no less - vs. "bolting on" more redundant & inefficient complexity + room for failure/breakdown) - Funniest part is, Wladimir Palant (& his running) does as well!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hosts = a superior solution that even fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also - MULTIPLE bonuses)... apk

  210. Hosts just do way more than AdBlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hosts give you more

    1.) Security + speed by adblocking

    2.) Reliability & security vs. dns redirect security issues + dns being downed/crashed (happens quite a lot on both since 99.999% of ISP's aren't secured vs. the Kaminsky flaw even though a patch exists & has for nearly a decade & they don't implement it iirc due to problems with MX records applying it)

    3.) More anonymity (vs. DNS request logs in the same stroke when you hardcode your favorite sites into them, this goes along with reliability & security features vs. DNS flaws above too - multiple bonus).

    Hosts also are proven to work far more efficiently than messagepassing + ram & cpu hogging overheads laden slower usermode browser addons do!

    Plus hosts do more than ANY SINGLE BROWSER ADDON, by far, & by themselves, with less complexity + "moving parts" for breakdown too, & are COMPLETELY CONTROLLED by you, the end user, easily!

    Hosts also operate in the highest CPU cycles serviced mode of operation there is: Kernelmode, as a native part of the IP stack itself that has over 45++ yrs. of optimization poured into it...

    * FACT: You can't beat hosts! AdBlock certainly can't... that's for sure!

    (Hosts do FAR more with less, & "LESS TRULY IS, MORE"... a mark of GOOD engineering!)

    APK

    P.S.=> That is just a fact - & I am GLAD to see you realize this... kudos to you!

    ... apk

  211. You evidently can't read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The subject line of his post challenges you to prove his points wrong here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... and evidently, you can't. AdBlock works well? Not as well as hosts and you're helping him prove it by evading that challenge above.

    1. Re:You evidently can't read by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      I'm talking from an end user perspective. Maybe it's not as efficient with clock cycles but who cares because it's good enough. I'm sure there's a few fiddly technical reasons for HOSTS but AdBlock + NoScript does everything *I* care about.

      No, I haven't done benchmarks. And I'm not going to commission an interface usability team to compare them either, because as we've learned on /. they're generally idiots (the ones we hear about, anyway). AdBlock is virtually the definition of a set-and-forget, zero-effort-required product. NoScript isn't so much, but I really doubt ApkTool9000 is any better.

      I can't help but notice the conspicuous absence of NoScript on his list of poo-poo'd extensions. Not like it's one of the top 2 names in Firefox security plugins or anything...

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  212. The fact you have to do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Helps apk prove adblock's inefficient vs. hosts + needlessly redundant (as well as the fact that adblock doesn't do a fraction of what hosts do for added speed, security, reliability, and even anonymity and that adblock's crippled by default and gets paid off by advertisers to show ads, defeating its intended purpose http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... ). Hosts are also multiplatform so why even bother with adblock? It sucks by comparison on all levels.

    1. Re:The fact you have to do that by causality · · Score: 1

      You really seem to have difficulty comprehending two concepts: 1) the efficiency of doing both is more than good enough for my setup; 2) I am in fact doing both addons and a good /etc/hosts file.
      br You remind me of a religious zealot.

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    2. Re:The fact you have to do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fail using illogical off topic ad hominem attacks + being inefficient redundantly for no real gain, only losses.

  213. Re:TangoMargarine shot down again (for lies) by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

    It's called a joke, dude.

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  214. Adblock doing less, less efficiently != better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hosts/apk's program's set it/forget it easy, + does tons more for speed, security, reliability, anonymity & it gives you the user more direct control of blocking or speed up (which adblock doesn't do in the latter for hardcoded favorites which also aids reliability of sites access) data.

    Perhaps apk thinks noscript is good stuff is all, and benchmarks of efficiency were done on adblock https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... proving it's horribly inefficient (slower since it starts long after hosts begin operating, more message passing overheads in slower usermode slowing browsers in usermode even more plus hosts are the first thing the IP stack queries for resolutions so its faster for blocking bad sites and ads, and it blocks all ads unlike adblock, and it operates in kernelmode).

    There also isn't a host file on the planet that tears up that much CPU and in excess of 4gb of RAM and there probably never will be. Especially since adblock doesn't do a fraction of what hosts can for added speed, security, reliability, and even anonymity.

    Why you insist on using a needlessly redundant and massively inferior product that doesn't even do its job right anymore being crippled and paid off by advertisers to NOT do its job http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... is beyond me since adblock doing less and less efficiently does make it vastly inferior.

    1. Re:Adblock doing less, less efficiently != better by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      and it blocks all ads unlike adblock,

      I assume what you mean is "it has a better blacklist." Because that's what we're talking about, right? Not heuristics to determine whether something's an ad? If so, then no, it does NOT "block all ads."

      and it operates in kernelmode).

      Okay, fine. Apart from any potential security concerns, it'll be faster.

      There also isn't a host file on the planet that tears up that much CPU and in excess of 4gb of RAM and there probably never will be.

      I keep hearing these "OMG Firefox is eating up all my available memory" responses and I just don't buy it. I'm a tab whore, and I only have 2GB of RAM even in my machine and neither AdBlock nor Firefox (well, technically I'm on Palemoon now) chokes.

      Especially since adblock doesn't do a fraction of what hosts can for added speed, security, reliability, and even anonymity.

      Why you insist on using a needlessly redundant and massively inferior product that doesn't even do its job right anymore being crippled and paid off by advertisers to NOT do its job

      ...Aaaaaand we're back to the APK rhetoric. At least this post was almost entirely free of bizarro punctuation, bolding, italics, etc. You missed a + and &.

      As a final thought, all this whining about "AdBlock doesn't even do it's job anymore! It's sold out!" can be solved by merely going into preferences and unchecking the "Allow some non-intrustive advertising" box. At least, I have no reason to suspect it doesn't.

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    2. Re:Adblock doing less, less efficiently != better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He meant everything listed here you can't prove wrong on hosts superiority vs adblock http://news.slashdot.org/comme... that you keep evading, obviously.

    3. Re:Adblock doing less, less efficiently != better by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Now look who "can't prove wrong" all his points :)

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    4. Re:Adblock doing less, less efficiently != better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tangomargarine why're you evading answer simple yes/no answered questions here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ?

    5. Re:Adblock doing less, less efficiently != better by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Well, mostly because I was at lunch, but hey :)

      I haven't been arguing this whole time that Hosts is less featureful than AdBlock, just harder to use.

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  215. Re:TangoMargarine shot down again (for lies) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks more like lies and the joke's on you Tangomargarine http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

  216. What are these ads you talk about? by w1z4rd · · Score: 1

    My Adblocking plugin doesnt let me see them :)

  217. Re:it's not the ads it's the surveillance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    duckduck

  218. The lost generation never had all this junk growin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Advertising should then be only on the internet not on all your devices. Geico junk etc no thank you unless the advertisement is worth seeing the Geico with the "Spell Cow was funny "etc but the new commercials some are fine but then some are just plain and simple stupid to even mention! Not only that those ads seem like there getting louder! The FCC was supposed to go after all those ads on your devices and tell them to turn down the volume, they have yet to do it.

  219. You finally admit the truth that hosts do more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hosts are automatic and transparent to the user. The ip stack itself uses them. So how are hosts (especially using apk's program to update them) any harder to use? You update it and overwrite your current hosts with a button click as often as you like and that's that.

    1. Re:You finally admit the truth that hosts do more by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Other people maintain AdBlock block lists for me. Pretty sure they update automatically, too.

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  220. The Internet Could Have Worked Without Ads... by Mars729 · · Score: 1

    If Ted Nelson's Xanadu we could have had an ad-free net (or nearly so). In his Xanadu you would be paying out small fractions of cents for every word you read to the original authors. If you were an author you would get paid for all your work but not those you quote. This would have made the Internet more democratic and egalitarian. Also instead of traffic being highly concentrated among a small number of websites, it would be spread out more.

    This system would have greatly reduced the need for advertising because it would provide another way to make money off the Internet. It would help us wean ourselves of the corruption of advertising and the rampant consumerism it causes. Perhaps Xanadu could have made us stand up to the religion of continuous economic growth before we completely trash our planet.

  221. Re:I merely state facts & am on topic: Are you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Copy-pasting the same damn thing in response to any comment that is even tangentially related to ad blocking is annoying. That it's directing you to some craptastic website with some stupid program you obviously have some connection with makes it spam pure and simple. That the website in question contains the very kind of annoying, deceptive ads that everyone hates and your stupid host file managing program claims to block is curious, to say the least.

    TLDR version: go eat a bowl of dicks

  222. Oh, but "it's ok" for adblock to pr their crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about MalwareBytes (best in the industry currently http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
    HOSTING IT FOR ME and RECOMMENDING APK Hosts File Engine as "BEST OF BREED" then too, moron?

    LMAO - Gosh: "Color me surprised" (not) you defend adblock's inferior shit by ac too (not).

    Give me a break!

    FACT: I just BLEW YOU AWAY AGAIN for THAT "weak crap" you just tried... easily - & with concrete, verfiable, + UNDENIABLE facts...

    On THAT note? Well, you just KNOW that I've just GOTTA say it, as per my usual inimitable style, now don't you? Of course you do:

    THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & always is, vs. INFERIOR competitors (like "Almost All Ads Blocked" crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's own base purpose -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )

    APK

    P.S.=> Thank you, for being stupid... I can ALWAYS count on idiots like YOU to do the wrong thing & screw up, to make ME look GOOD - & yourselves, lol, well... "not so good" vs. provable concrete, verifiable, & UNDENIABLE proofs I can supply to dust you as I did above...

    ... apk

  223. Whose site is this (they host my program)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That hosts my ware for me & recommend it as "the best of its kind" here -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    "?"

    Clue: THE BEST IN THE ANTIMALWARE INDUSTRY as of the MOST RECENT TESTS OF EFFICACY -> http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    MalwareBytes does & they detect/REMOVE malware of all kinds BETTER THAN ANYONE (freeware that blows away commercial offerings) per that recent test by a respectable site too!

    Guess what else?

    They RECOMMEND MY WARE APK Hosts File Engine above any & ALL competitors of like type & it's FACT APK Hosts File Engine does more, better + more efficiently, than Adblock does by a LONG shot.

    QUESTION: Can "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" do these things (that hosts can)?

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    Answer YES or NO to each - that's all!

    APK

    P.S.=> The ac troll FAILS again vs. "lil' ole' me" like "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating its OWN purpose no less -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )... apk

  224. Only "connection" I have to Start64? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "That the website in question contains the very kind of annoying, deceptive ads that everyone hates and your stupid host file managing program claims to block is curious, to say the least." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 22, 2014 @09:49PM (#47734377)

    Is that THEY host PURE 64-bit apps: I have such a build in http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    NOBODY ELSE DOES!

    * Hence, using them makes TOTAL sense, to showcase my program that does more than "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" by a country mile -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... and it isn't "Souled-Out" defeating its VERY PURPOSE like AdBlock either -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...

    Clue MORON - Hosts BLOCK THOSE ADS too saving me bandwidth I pay out for monthly that ads rob online as well as possibly infecting me with malicious code or tracking etc. (I, for instance, NEVER see a single one there)... I don't favor them anymore than I do ANY other site that hosts ads, for the reasons noted above.

    In fact? I held off releasing my program (was ready in late 2003) out of respect for webmasters... but NOT when they began showing evidences of malicious code in ads (I've got TONS of those shown here vs. Raymorris - whom I suspects works for a ad redirector in ClickBank, in fact -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment... ) DUE TO ADVERTISER NEGLIGENCE in inspecting code & ads they host OR redirect!

    Question: Are you stupid, or what? You're making me look good by allowing me to put away your b.s. & you with it, easily...

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly, are YOU on topic? I am. The subject is adbanners, and when I see the CLEARLY INFERIOR "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" noted? I note my superior app which you are running from these points on -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... which Adblock can't do meaning it does less and what it does the same (adblock for speed) it doesn't DO as well due to selling out -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... ... apk

  225. What? $230/year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate to say it, but that sounds like those carbon credits that Al Gore invented and planned to take the proceeds from.. Who gets the money from (hmm, $230 x 2.5 Billion!). As if Carlos Slim doesn't have enough money! Who dreamed up this hair brained idiocy, anyway? The internet is free and people capitalize on that as much as a street vender uses his corner to sell products. Very few would benefit from a plan like that.

  226. It was a pleasure destroying you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Letting YOU destroy yourself: Especially where you RAN & later admit hosts do FAR more than AdBlock http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    * :)

    (Don't mess with me, cretin - I will simply use facts to DESTROY you, by letting YOU, destroy yourself..)

    APK

    P.S.=> You, of all the trolls I've ever met here (& there have been tons, especially regarding hosts where for nearly a decade++ now not a single one's gotten the best of me on them due to "truth technique" I use mind you) are particularly pitiful, unintelligent, & dim-witted easy to take out with facts - Thanks for making ME look good, & yourself by way of comparison? Well... lol, "not so good"!

    ... apk

  227. WHATEVER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's amazing how sales teams keep justifying reasons to keep themselves relevant in this world. Now they want you to believe the tail can wag the dog. The internet was doing just fine without major ad campaigns before the 90's and they would do just fine without them today. Don't believe the hype people. The internet would not cost you more to use if it were ad free. There is a sucker born every minute and if you believe that, I've got some nice property in a Maui volcano you can by that will never get burnt. I'll sell it to you for cheap as well. I know the suckers out there are just itching to see if it's even a remote possibility so please. don't PM me and ask if the property is still available, because I just sold it to a purple unicorn, ha!

  228. Hey fool: Hosts REMOVE ads... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better & FAR more efficiently from a faster level of operations before addons even *BEGIN* to operate out of a slower and layered on more messagepassing laden usermode level of operations - and, hosts aren't easily detected + blocked or circumvented by native browser methods (ClarityRAY) like adblock, the INFERIOR subject here, is (& it doesn't do a FRACTION of what hosts do for added speed, security, reliability + more, and hosts do it with less resource consumption, more efficiently, and better too).

    See subject, & did you even READ my post that extolls hosts myriad virtues here -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    ?

    Apparently not - "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" on my subject-line above regarding your erroneous (again) off topic b.s. buddy!

    Hosts give back users what they PAID for that adbanners rob, in speed/bandwidth, with TOTAL end user level direct control (unlike most competitors) & do FAR MORE, better + more efficiently - bar-none/period, with less moving parts complexity and from a faster higher CPU serviced level of ring of privelege operations & are called on FIRST before slower usermode addons (like "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" crippled by default & massively inefficient as it is).

    Lastly - Think I don't KNOW it's YOU downmodding the last time I posted this (via your sockpuppets) here http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    ?

    Guess again. Here it is again though, much to YOUR dismay, chump.

    APK

    P.S.=> You're off topic, & I've torn you up before, DIRECTLY, and you ran from it (per my last posts' termination p.s. section) -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... so before YOU "give me orders"? Think twice... & *should you* accept the FAIR challenge I gave you?? I will, point-blank to speak bluntly? KNOCK you right out easily, using facts & truths... I don't think you'll even *try* that challenge in that last link IF you have *ANY* sense that is... & do GET ON TOPIC! apk

  229. I merely state facts & am on topic: Are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not selling anything, see subject-line + validly technically disprove my points on hosts giving users more speed, security, reliability + more vs. "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" especially (& other inferior slower more moving parts + less direct end user control blatantly INFERIOR "so-called 'solutions'" that are FAR less efficient and do less, DESPITE hosts doing so with less...)

    * "Less TRULY IS, more" - especially in the case of hosts files... care to debate it? Go for it. I'll tear you up, just as I have 100's here on this very note when they heckled me as you have... I'll do it with facts, but 1st?

    I'll let you *TRY* this completely FAIR CHALLENGE I put to you now - just so you can destroy yourself, first... ok?

    I've seen you in action before, tossed your b.s. BACK IN YOUR FACE, & you ran... see below. It's just fact. Like this is, along with my post you replied to, completely offtopic.

    Lastly/Again (since you downmodded this & another reply of mine to you):

    This time you can't downmod this unjustly. I just repost it again, but last time?

    Obivous you downmodded this (minus justifications) using sockpuppets since I struck you speechless, you pitiful little stooge & erroneous goof -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> No, you're off topic and YOU state falsehoods DarinBob and I tore you up for it before here http://developers.slashdot.org... so, don't shoot your mouth off with me, or it will get slammed shut, again... ok? Up to you, it's your funeral like it was in that post link I just posted now in this 'p.s.' section of this reply to you... apk

  230. You're welcome to disprove this Ash-Fox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  231. You're more than welcome to disprove this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  232. I dare U to validly technically disprove this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  233. For automating hosts files easily use this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  234. APK Hosts File Engine does it for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  235. APK Hosts File Engine uses all sources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    12 reputable security community ones: My FREE program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  236. Do hosts better than just 1 source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use 12 from the security community: My FREE program for hosts file construction adds security, speed, reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  237. Ash-Fox: It was a pleasure making you concede by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That DNS has issues vs. custom hosts files on numerous points here -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... on:

    1.) DNS using excess power
    2.) DNS using excess cpu cycles
    3.) DNS using excess memory
    4.) DNS using excess I/O
    5.) DNS using excess "moving parts" complexity

    (#1 - #5 above in comparison to custom hosts files)

    6.) DNS having security vulnerabilities that hosts files fix, + that your "fix" against dns redirect poisoning DOUBLES your overheads (using TCP vs. UDP the default) creating yet MORE INEFFICIENCY in your doing so...

    * :)

    (Along with the fact you can't show ANYONE ANYTHING you've ever done in the art & science of computing... especially in comparison to myself)

    APK

    P.S.=> What was even more "priceless" was your "I was pretending" garbage here too -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... where I pointed out fastflux, & dynamic DNS utilizing botnets abusing DNS servers taking advantage of their VERY NATURE to do exploits on users - so the ONLY thing you are "pretending" on, is that you are PRETENDING to know a damn thing about computing, lol & that ALL proves it... apk

  238. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  239. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  240. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  241. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  242. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  243. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  244. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  245. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  246. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  247. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  248. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  249. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  250. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  251. "First they ignore U, then they laugh @ U..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "... then they fight U, then U win" Mahatma Gandhi. I win 'soldier' since U ran from this http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    Personally - I took your 'mockery' of myself as that: Attempting to "mock me"... fine - prove my points wrong, technically & validly in that link above then!

    (Especially due to the blocking address you did on "APK")

    However: The FUNNIEST PART is you make the oft quoted saying I used above from Ghandi, true in this case - & you lost this battle BEFORE you could even BEGIN to fight it (far BETTER than you technically have run from it, including the likes of Aryeh Goretsky of NOD32/ESET even, for example -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment... )

    There's NO WAY the "likes of you" can touch those points of mine backed by verifiable, concrete, & UNDENIABLE facts/truths from reputable sources... & you KNOW it.

    * Go for it though, cowardly 'soldier' - Good luck: You'd need a MIRACLE, not just luck, if one of the better coders out there avoided my challenge to him, same as yours, REPEATEDLY. That tell YOU anything? Does me.

    APK

    P.S.=> WHY YOU, of all people here (a fellow hosts file user) would even *try* to "give me guff" boggles my mind: We're "on the same team" here, so-to-speak... & WHY you would LIMIT YOURSELF to a single hosts file source, when my program gives you a dozen to use potentially/optionally, also doesn't make sense - as no single source "catches all" possible threats or adbanners!

    ... apk

  252. Going to make this easy on you (again)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that hosts can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> It is going to be a pleasure watching YOU "dismantle" yourself, & by 'osmosis', adblock along with it (by letting you do it for me, answering those questions above) since WE BOTH KNOW AdBlock CAN'T DO ALL OF THE ABOVE, whereas HOSTS CAN by way of comparison - which you won't even *try* since you downmodded me to -1 last time I asked this here -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ... apk

  253. 12 reputable security community sources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maintain hosts data for users of APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit program http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    E.G. - Malwarebytes does for 1: They're the best in the antivirus/antispyware business currently http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    Malwarebytes also host my program here http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & recommend APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-Bit as the best of its kind also at the top of their hpHosts website page...

    (+ of course, the fact you've even admitted hosts files do a lot more than adblock ever can, period).

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly - Downmodding my posts OR those of others that knock your off-topic trolling block off isn't too effective vs. my points, is it? Nope. You're helping me!

    Additionally:

    Is it my fault you're an effete troll that can't backup his b.s.?? No. It's yours.

    Bottom-Line: Thanks for making ME look GOOD, & yourself (by way of comparison), well... lol, "not so good"!

    ... apk

  254. Dusting your "so-called 'points'" (again) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I assume what you mean is "it has a better blacklist." Because that's what we're talking about, right? Not heuristics to determine whether something's an ad? If so, then no, it does NOT "block all ads."" - by TangoMargarine (1617195) on Friday August 22, 2014 @12:48PM (#47730565)" - by TangoMargarine (1617195) on Friday August 22, 2014 @12:48PM (#47730565)

    When my sources in the security community actually SEE an ad? They block it, as do I - human beings are BETTER than "heuristics" which ARE imperfect (& don't even *try* to tell me they are, since that would be total utter bullshit).

    My God - you, are STUPID!

    ---

    This one from you took the cake though:

    "Okay, fine. Apart from any potential security concerns, it'll be faster." - by TangoMargarine (1617195) on Friday August 22, 2014 @12:48PM (#47730565)

    Hosts are run by the IP stack in kernelmode & dummy? When that has a problem?? Anything on the system does that uses INCLUDING "Almost ALL Ads Blocked"... are you dumb or what??

    And - CAN YOU SHOW US A PROBLEM IN THE IP STACK THAT EXISTS CURRENTLY OF THE NATURE YOU SPEAK OF?

    ---

    "I keep hearing these "OMG Firefox is eating up all my available memory" responses and I just don't buy it. I'm a tab whore, and I only have 2GB of RAM even in my machine and neither AdBlock nor Firefox (well, technically I'm on Palemoon now) chokes" - by TangoMargarine (1617195) on Friday August 22, 2014 @12:48PM (#47730565)

    Then "buy this" analysis done that even Wladimir Palant of "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" doesn't deny, stupid -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org]

    ---

    "all this whining about "AdBlock doesn't even do it's job anymore! It's sold out!" can be solved by merely going into preferences and unchecking the "Allow some non-intrustive advertising" box" - by TangoMargarine (1617195) on Friday August 22, 2014 @12:48PM (#47730565)

    Most people WON'T "dig in" that far, & the advertisers KNOW it, stupid... why do you *think* it's setup thus for in the 1st place? That's why!

    APK

    P.S.=> It has been an UTTER pleasure tearing you up but moreso seeing you ADMIT hosts do TONS more than Adblock can, by far, after you RAN from this -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... + seeing you reduced to downmodding this very past last time I posted it, here http://news.slashdot.org/comme... but not validly disproving my points in reply that dusted your b.s. quoted above them...

    ... apk

  255. TangoMargarine shot down #1 of 3... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    * :)

    (More's coming in my next post...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Question: How did "eating your words" taste with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH to ram them down and then you washed them down with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat"? Tell us, please: "Inquring minds want to know..." - Must've been PRETTY BAD TASTING, considering you had to effetely 'downmod' my post when I posted this las time -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... since you can't prove documented truth from reputable sources wrong, obviously (lmao)

    ... apk

  256. TangoMargarine shot down #2 of 3... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I fairly challenged AdBlock's author to show adblock does more than hosts, more efficiently too, & with less moving parts -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    LMAO: He can't, technically & validly, + he outright ran (I sent it from 2 diff. email accounts no less so he can't claim he "blocked me" after HE emailed me first which even YOU concede was lame of him (worse was me flooring him, AND ABLOCK, totally though - lol, with facts/truth))...

    THAT, truly IS, that. Purest FACT & truth - Nothing more + all I need to prove my point(s).

    (No excuses for it after what he wrote me... so I dusted him for it and am showing everyone the simple truth of it - that's all, & that is that HOSTS are SUPERIOR to "Almost ALL Ads Blocked", especially crippled by default & 'souled-out' like it is, per TechCrunch + other sites' articles on it...)

    * So - Is it MY fault I take on & absolutely DUST any + all competitors in this area by doing it better? No.

    APK

    P.S.=> Care to debate that? I hope so - Especially since Your "hero" Palant wouldn't, & RAN like a scared rabbit - period & since he coded on a lousy inefficient foundation doing far less AND using more SLOWER level "moving parts" to boot - Why? Simple: His work is INFERIOR to mine, period/no questions asked... apk

  257. TangoMargarine shot down #3 of 3 (for lies) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I haven't shelled out the cash for ApkHostsFileOrgasmicEditor9000." - by TangoMargarine (1617195) on Thursday August 21, 2014 @02:06PM (#47722389) Journal

    Why're you telling lies now? My program's FREE & it does a far better job + on more levels BY FAR than "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" crippled by default since it's 'souled-out' to advertisers like it is:

    http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...

    * FACT: AdBlock's defeating its OWN originally intended purpose (which is only a FRACTION of what hosts give you in added speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity online) & the 1 thing it does, "Almost ALL Ads Blocked does so horribly inefficiently by comparison to hosts https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...

    APK

    P.S.=> Telling lies on your part that I will just expose as I have now though? LOL, please... apk

  258. You're welcome to disprove these points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts files adds reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects, /. beta for example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  259. Ask yourselves these questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  260. I merely state facts & am on topic: Are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not selling anything, see subject-line + validly technically disprove my points on hosts giving users more speed, security, reliability + more vs. "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" especially (& other inferior slower more moving parts + less direct end user control blatantly INFERIOR "so-called 'solutions'" that are FAR less efficient and do less, DESPITE hosts doing so with less...)

    * "Less TRULY IS, more" - especially in the case of hosts files... care to debate it? Go for it. I'll tear you up, just as I have 100's here on this very note when they heckled me as you have... I'll do it with facts, but 1st?

    I'll let you *TRY* this completely FAIR CHALLENGE I put to you now - just so you can destroy yourself, first... ok?

    I've seen you in action before, tossed your b.s. BACK IN YOUR FACE, & you ran... see below. It's just fact. Like this is, along with my post you replied to, completely offtopic.

    APK

    P.S.=> No, you're off topic and YOU state falsehoods DarinBob and I tore you up for it before here http://developers.slashdot.org... so, don't shoot your mouth off with me, or it will get slammed shut, again... ok? Up to you, it's your funeral like it was in that post link I just posted now in this 'p.s.' section of this reply to you... apk

  261. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

    I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

    He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

    Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

  262. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out'... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts files adds reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects, /. beta for example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  263. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

    I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

    He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts) - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

    Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

  264. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  265. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out'... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts files adds reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects, /. beta for example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  266. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

    I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

    He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

    Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

  267. Ask yourselves these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  268. Ask yourself these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Guess this "religious zealot" (not) that you called me has FACTS (which scientists use via the "empirical method") vs. YOUR projecting & Illogical ad hominem attack based b.s. a TRUE "religious zealot" in yourself can't handle (or validly disprove)... apk

  269. You're welcome to validly disprove this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts files adds reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects, /. beta for example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  270. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

    I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

    He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

    Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

  271. Ask yourself these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  272. Untrue, & no subscription needed... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hosts "automagically" do far more than AdBlock does for added speed, security, reliability & more, more efficiently via APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit, for free (no subscription needed) -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    * Take a read of that, be enlightened - & even moreso, with details as to why, here -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> You *may* be glad you did... apk

  273. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

    I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

    He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

    Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

  274. Ask yourself these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  275. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out'... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts files adds reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects, /. beta for example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  276. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

    I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

    He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

    Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

  277. Ask yourself these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  278. Ask yourself these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

    1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
    2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
    3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
    4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
    7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
    8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
    9.) Keep you off dns request logs
    10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
    11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
    12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
    13.) Block out trackers
    14.) Block spam mails sources
    15.) Block phishing mails sources

    "?"

    * Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

    That's illogical but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

    ... apk

  279. AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out'... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My FREE program for hosts files adds reliability, + anonymity & does more, more efficiently by FAR vs. addons + fixes DNS' security issues:

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

    http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    Summary:

    ---

    A.) Hosts do more than:

    1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... )
    2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
    3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects, /. beta for example).

    C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... w/ less "moving parts" complexity

    D.) Hosts files yield more:

    1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
    2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
    3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
    4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

    ---

    * Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

    * Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

    * Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...)

    Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

    APK

    P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

    ...apk

  280. Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

    I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

    He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

    Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

  281. NSA free of US cover, saves $168 per year! by aisnota · · Score: 1

    So if everyone would have the NSA stop its surveillance of US citizens, each tax payer saves $168 or more per year.

    Unless they help people with data recovery or getting back their data, something to ponder what value if anything happens.

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