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Dish Pulls Fox News, Fox Business Network As Talks Break Down

An anonymous reader writes Fox News and Fox Business were pulled by Dish Network over the weekend, as both continue to argue over a fee agreement. From the article: "Dish said in a statement early Sunday morning that 21st Century Fox had blocked access to the two networks after Dish balked when rates for other networks owned by the media conglomerate were made a part of the negotiations. Tim Carry, executive vice president of distribution at Fox News Channel, countered in a statement that "Dish prematurely ceased distribution of Fox News in an attempt to intimidate and sway our negotiations. It is unfortunate that the millions of Fox News viewers on Dish were used as pawns by their provider. Hopefully they will vote with their hard earned money and seek another one of our other valued distributors immediately."

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  1. In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fox news did not report it.

  2. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just another day for DISH.

    A day full of tantrums and stomping off.

    1. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off, Rupert.

    2. Re: In other news... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Shut up, Stewie.

    3. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's a matter of copyright law. Without an in-place agreement, DISH is barred from retransmitting FOX's (or anyone else they don't have a contract with) content.

      DISH wants to keep payments to content-providers low (well, less high) so that they don't have to pass those costs on to their customers.

      Sure, there's a slight risk they'll lose customers to DirecTV or Comcast-TimeWarner over this, but conversely there's also the risk they'll lose customers if they have to raise their prices.

    4. Re:In other news... by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as Comcast-Time Warner yet. It's still a proposed merger and may or may not even get approval.

    5. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      So in other words, Dish has improved their channel lineup.

    6. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a done deal. It was a done deal since the day they announced it. They just haven't confirmed that it's a done deal, that's all. In my region TWC has already been acting as it's part of Comcast.

    7. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just another day for DISH.

      A day full of tantrums and stomping off.

      But DISH claims that Fox is at fault. Lacking any other evidence, how can you conclusively say that it was DISH's fault?

      Personally, until further evidence comes to light, I am blaming both.

    8. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point without imperial data both sides should be blamed for using every tactic they have to negotiate the best out come for their shareholders.

      Dish: fox blocked access to the channels

      Fox: dish prematurely stopped broadcasting.

      It's business. If it was MSNBC or CNN this comment section would be rather different. Their is a divide in America. Many actually. At least we are finally acknowledging it.

      Please for the sake of intellectual conversation stop assuming and/or accusing everyone of racistism. We may have different opinions of the problem and potential solutions but calling people racist with no knowledge of that person or their heart and mind is an ignorant attempt to shutdown the other person. It is NOT progress.

  3. You forgot something... by damn_registrars · · Score: 2, Funny

    Samzenpus forgot to blame this on the freedom-oppressing and america-hating labor unions. Clearly they are some how at fault here if fox news has been disconnected. I would have expected him to at least have read the article far enough to find a way to make that connection happen.

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    1. Re:You forgot something... by kimvette · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Faux News is not much of a loss. :)

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    2. Re:You forgot something... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      In America we hardly have unions any more...

      I didn't realize that 11.3% of the US workforce hardly exists.

      In 2013, the union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were
      members of unions--was 11.3 percent ... The number of wage and salary workers belonging to
      unions, at 14.5 million, was little different from 2012. -- UNION MEMBERS -- 2013

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    3. Re:You forgot something... by jd2112 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Samzenpus forgot to blame this on the freedom-oppressing and america-hating labor unions. Clearly they are some how at fault here if fox news has been disconnected. I would have expected him to at least have read the article far enough to find a way to make that connection happen.

      No it's Obama's fault. I don't know how but *everything* bad is Obama's fault.
      (Perhaps I've been watching too much Fox News.)

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    4. Re:You forgot something... by dcollins · · Score: 2

      Pretty well put, I mostly agree, and am glad you wrote that. One point on your very last statement: do keep in mind that for many public and infrastructure unions (like police, government admins, teachers, bus drivers, etc.) it's been made illegal to go on strike by law, or as part of a contract required by the employer. I agree that that pretty much takes the possibility of fair negotiations off the table.

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    5. Re:You forgot something... by Brad1138 · · Score: 0

      Agreed, I was happy when I heard that. I want the package that doesn't contain it at all.

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    6. Re:You forgot something... by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wasn't that the bigger issue actually? FOX/Newscorp trying to push a whole slew of their channels on DISH for fairly high rates, and using FOX News as the leverage, when those other channels aren't popular and aren't worth the money that was being demanded of them?

      Personal opinion on the merit of FOX News aside, I can see where it has fiscal value as it's turned on and left on all over the goddamn place. Lobbies, break rooms, waiting rooms, all seem to have left CNN for FOX News and it's rare to find other stations on these days. But, it sounds like it's FOX News that's worth something, not the other, lesser channels, and even then, FOX News' value might itself be overinflated if it's serving as background noise more than actually being watched by the people in those lobbies, break rooms, and waiting rooms.

      We don't have any subscription TV because we didn't want to pay for channels that we don't watch. This licensing model that is being pushed on DISH in turn forces DISH to push on to consumers, as if DISH has to pay for twenty channels to get one or two that people want to watch, they must charge for those twenty channels and push them to consumers, even if no one watches them.

      I didn't expect to hear myself say this, but good on DISH for standing up to FOX/Newscorp for now.

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    7. Re:You forgot something... by hey! · · Score: 1

      In the name of freedom.

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    8. Re:You forgot something... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Having members and actually having power are two different things, the person you replied to was saying unions don't exist with the teeth that they used to.

      We have unions in name only. Every single time the UAW contract comes up at my company they rabble back and forth and then "hurray, we reached an agreement." Union bosses and contractor get their cut for the 'negotiation'. Employees don't really get anything and the people at top win.

      The standard of living for a lot of the US would improve if more people unionized (like programmers) and actually demanded a fair wage instead of getting worked to death by EA and the likes.

    9. Re:You forgot something... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      They could strike like they do in Montreal by not wearing Standard issue uniforms.

    10. Re:You forgot something... by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize that 11.3% of the US workforce hardly exists.

      A lot of people don't realize that. Have you heard about the Ferguson protests? Blacks make up 13% of the US population yet they are treated as an insignificant minority. In America the Black population doesn't count for that much and it is larger than the population of union workers. Draw your own conclusions or analogies using this additional point of view.

    11. Re:You forgot something... by kimvette · · Score: 3, Informative
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    12. Re:You forgot something... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      For great justice.

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    13. Re:You forgot something... by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      In America we hardly have unions any more...

      I didn't realize that 11.3% of the US workforce hardly exists.

      Every year that number goes down or at best stays the same. Either way every year the unions give up a little more of what little power they have. Bargaining is supposed to be a give-and-take procedure where labor gets some of what they want and management gets some of what they want. Yet every time labor comes to the table management further diminishes their clout. With union enrollment this low it is very easy for management to say "we'll just hire non-union replacements for you" and labor knows that they can do it.

      Coincidentally, when was the last time you got more than a token raise or a meaningful increase in your benefits? This is what happens when all the power shifts back away from the worker.

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    14. Re:You forgot something... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The problem is that if you go back to when unions were relatively powerful, the ones who were powerful were the management of the unions. And they often didn't do well by their members. (Other times they did, but ran afoul of some law or other, some times a reasonable one.)

      Centers of power tend to become corrupt, because corrupt people are attracted to them more strongly than those who are not corrupt.

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    15. Re:You forgot something... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That's why I hope this negotiating goes on through the end of the week, since I'll be stuck at mom's house and don't want to be subjected to it.

    16. Re:You forgot something... by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

      I'm too lazy right now to google for you, but every one of the "news" networks has a slew of equally incriminating indictments against their journalistic integrity. You don't actually think that Fox is alone in this, do you?

    17. Re: You forgot something... by kenh · · Score: 2

      Dan Rather stands behind every story on his reports, even if the documents he bases them on are forgeries!

      ABC stands behind their exploding pickup truck story, even though they had to put model rocket igniters in the gas tank to blue up the pickup truck for their story.

      Andrea Mitchell will argue till the cows come home that she only edited the George Zimmerman 911 call to make his perfectly innocent answers to the questions he was asked by the operator for 'clarity', despite completely re-arranging the sequence of the statements.

      Candy Crowley proudly told America that Mitt Romney was wrong during a Presidential Debate in 2012, despite the fact that nearly every intelligent person watching knew she was wrong. Her subsequent apology was not as well covered as her 'mistake'.

      Yeah, Fox News stands alone in the errors in judgement category...

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    18. Re: You forgot something... by kenh · · Score: 1

      11.3% of the workforce us dwarfed by the 88.7% of workers that are non-Union. That's about 8 to 1.

      If I told you 11.3% of climate scientist argued against climate change, would you call that significant?

      If I told you 11.3% of Americans think the moon landings were faked, would you call that significant?

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    19. Re: You forgot something... by kenh · · Score: 1

      Oddly, Democrats have an equal passion for blaming things on Bush.

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    20. Re: You forgot something... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      11.3% is certainly a meaningful number, and far removed from the practical nonexistence that was being posited.

      That number doesn't tell everything however. Since many of those jobs are concentrated in specific sectors of the economy the percentage of union employment in that sector can be much higher than 11.3% and have a significant impact. Example: teacher's unions.

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    21. Re: You forgot something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck rupert Murdoch. He is evil.

    22. Re:You forgot something... by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Of course not but Fox admits to it and they claim to be "fair and balanced" but they are obviously biased to the far right.

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    23. Re:You forgot something... by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      maybe not, but Fox (or Faux) lends itself simply by virtue of its name, to parody.

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    24. Re:You forgot something... by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      didn't Obama get in purely on the black vote??

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    25. Re:You forgot something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, how can this be Obama's fault, this is a good thing. More carriers should drop Fox news, not for pricing problems, but for offensive content.

    26. Re:You forgot something... by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      what state's that in? Strike action by unionised workers is how they get improvements to contract terms. A non-unionised worker can't strike, for the simple reason that union membersihp brings with it rights of employment such as the fact that they can't sack you simply for demanding improvements to working conditions, better pension or more pay. Try doing that on a zero hours contract, they'll show you the door. You have zero legal remedy.

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    27. Re:You forgot something... by kimvette · · Score: 1

      That, too.

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    28. Re:You forgot something... by dcollins · · Score: 1

      First that comes to mind is New York state (where I live), where the Taylor Law makes it illegal:
      "One of the most controversial parts of the Taylor Law is Section 210, which prohibits New York state public employees from striking."
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Law

      Example of legal punishments handed out a few years ago when transit workers went on strike in NYC:
      http://www.labornotes.org/2012/01/public-employees-need-right-strike

      Other states are not quite so codified; but here's a ruling in California that establishes "essential" workers cannot strike, including police & firefighters, possibly nurses and teachers:
      http://www.slotelaw.com/articles/public-employees-right-strike-clarified-california-supreme-court

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    29. Re:You forgot something... by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      I don't think there's anything here (UK) that prenvents *anyone* from striking... there's the slim possibility of a soldier striking for (pay and conditions!?), but we're at war, have been since the year Tet, he'd be backed up to a wall and shot. Public sector most definitely have the right to strike, recently we've had firefighters on the picket lines, earlier this year it was barristers and judges. Teachers are out on strike every other fucking week.

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    30. Re:You forgot something... by dcollins · · Score: 1

      Certainly they/we should have that right. But of course here in America, it's pretty much par for the course that any opportunity to screw the little guy is taken as a point of pride in the last 50 years or so.

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  4. Do tell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would indirect speech inform better than direct speech here? IOW, why not write "dish pulled fox" instead of "fox was pulled by dish"? Is there some suggestion that fox is the victim of an oppressing dish here? I thought the point was that two large corporations are having a business dispute, where typically the only victims are the customers.

    1. Re: Do tell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hell are you trying to say? Are you really complaining about how the op worded half a sentence? Really?

    2. Re: Do tell by HiThere · · Score: 1

      He's saying that the phrasing of the headline reveals a bias in the submission. Perhaps he's right. (I don't watch either Dish or Fox, and I haven't followed their dispute, so this is based purely on his argument and your response...with some guidance from other posts both in this story and in past stories.)

      It's a reasonable argument whether or not its true in this particular case.

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  5. Pulled Fox News ... by ITRambo · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    .. and did their customers a great service. You can thank them later.

    1. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do differing viewpoints upset you?

    2. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife used to do work with seniors and had to visit them at their homes.

      Whenever she got home late, it was because she had to visit an old white guy who had Fox News on all day long. The first 20 minutes or so was to get the old guy on track to handle the business that he scheduled for. Until then, he would rant (parrot the crap he heard the pundits rant about).

      Now what really irritates me is when the Fox News watchers say crap like "well MSNBC is just as bad!"

      WTF are you watching either of them?

      Mass media is so dumbed down and covers only things that people want to watch - not what they need to see to be an informed citizen.

      See, I learned a new term - "for profit propaganda".

      To be truly informed, one has to go and look for it - and from reputable sources with data to back it up: photos/videos, government documents, academic papers - things like that.

      Some millionaire talking head is about as credible as an AC on Slashdot.

    3. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      No, it isn't a "great service" since a significant number of Dish customers are going to want to watch that programming and now won't be able to do so. That is the opposite of "great service."

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    4. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      .. and did their customers a great service. You can thank them later.

      I hope I can spell Pyrrhic correctly.

      They replaced it temporarily with the Blaze.

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    5. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Well, look on the bright side .... when the deal is done and Fox is back on the air, they might keep the Blaze too after Dish helps it build up a fan base with wider exposure. I wonder if it is a plot?

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    6. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I noticed Dish did not stick Al-Jazeera America in as a substitute this time, though :)

    7. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fox News is not offering a different viewpoint, they're offering right-wing FUD.

    8. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fox News is not offering a different viewpoint, they're offering right-wing FUD.

      Now, now, they also offer "left wing" strawmen too.

    9. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by schnell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do differing viewpoints upset you?

      There is nothing wrong with Fox News as a source for people who go looking to hear the news from a particular viewpoint. The problem with Fox News is that they pretend - smirkingly because they're smart enough to know the truth - that they are "fair and balanced." And some (many, actually) people who are naive or intellectually uncurious actually believe this is an even-handed depiction of reality instead of an editorialized view. This leads these people to think that everything in the world that is wrong is due to muslims, liberals or Obama (who is both). And that in turn leads to extremism and fosters ever more deep and toxic political divides.

      I have no problem at all with differing viewpoints. I only have a problem with those - and this includes "news" sources across the spectrum from the New York Post to Adbusters - that are willing to actively mislead the reader in order to advance their particular editorial slant and agenda. While it may be fun as entertainment for the knowing, it is deadly poison for the health of the community as a whole for those who really believe it. Think about someone who has a 100 IQ... and then realize that half the country is dumber than that.

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    10. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by whoever57 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Fox News is not offering a different viewpoint, they're offering right-wing FUD.

      I am not sure that it really is right wing, instead it is news through the lens of the super-rich.

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    11. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by michrech · · Score: 1

      What's the difference?

      I am not sure that it really is right wing, instead it is news through the lens of the super-rich.

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    12. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by michrech · · Score: 2

      In *most* cases, they *don't*. They stick to Fox "News", and then read about how horrible MSNBC is via Breitbart, The Blaze, World Net Daily, etc, which only furthers the political divide.

      WTF areyou watching either of them?

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    13. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by michrech · · Score: 1

      Dish Network already carried The Blaze (channel 212). If they've put The Blaze in for Fox "News", all they did was re-direct it during the dispute.

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    14. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it's nothing more than bullshit, yes.

    15. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      I give Rupert Murdoch credit. He found this untapped area of news and cashed in. Getting upset at Fox News is like getting upset at Andy Kaufman wrestling and making fun of southerners.

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    16. Re: Pulled Fox News ... by ahoffer0 · · Score: 0

      Taking sides in politics is not inherently offensive. However, Fox News' excrable journalistic standards are.

    17. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I give Rupert Murdoch credit. He found this untapped area of news and cashed in. Getting upset at Fox News is like getting upset at Andy Kaufman wrestling and making fun of southerners.

      Rupert Murdoch fought hard to NOT present news.

    18. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by marvinglenn · · Score: 1

      Think about someone who has a 100 IQ... and then realize that half the country is dumber than that.

      Only if 100 is the median, not just the average.

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    19. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... liberals or Obama (who is both) ...

      Yes; protecting the corrupt NSA and DoJ, giving jobs to the bankers who caused the GFC, practicing isolationist foreign policies, punishing whistle-blowers and licensed cannabis growers, repeating the mistakes of a Republican government, are all demonstrations of Liberalism.

      Obama care is a crooked insurance scheme, not a single-payer model of socialism.

      No other country joined the hate-rant on Cuba and it only helped offended Americans and Cubans circle-jerk each other. Any clear-headed 'Liberalism' about this will be destroyed by US congress very soon.

    20. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by bledri · · Score: 1

      No, it isn't a "great service" since a significant number of Dish customers are going to want to watch that programming and now won't be able to do so. That is the opposite of "great service."

      Don't worry. Fox will cave and people will get their highly editorialized "news" to keep them happily enraged about all the wrong stuff. And Dish's tactics means they get all that spin without paying the higher rates that would be required by Fox's current demands. It's a win-win.

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    21. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      looks like someone is hurt . fox news is number one in viewers and ratings for every 1 cnn hln etc viewer there is 100 to 10,000 watching fox news . if it was fud then other news networks would eat them alive

    22. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by schnell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      looks like someone is hurt

      Who's hurt? I have no problem with Fox News per se and I have no problem with people who agree with Fox News. If that's what you like, that's fine, especially if you understand Fox News to be an editorial product. But it is clearly disingenuous at best when it claims to be "fair and balanced," and some people either trust Fox more than they should, or are not possessed of enough critical thinking skills to see if for what it is, which is bad for society.

      fox news is number one in viewers and ratings for every 1 cnn hln etc viewer there is 100 to 10,000 watching fox news . if it was fud then other news networks would eat them alive

      I think you are equating being "popular" with being "good," and that is a pretty serious mistake. I think it's also a mistake to recognize that it may well be popular entirely because it's FUD. Many, many people - conservative Fox viewers, liberal MSNBC viewers, whatever - want someone to pick all their news for them in advance so that they don't have to encounter any news in the world that doesn't agree with their beliefs. That's their right but I think we would be less of a toxically polarized society if we listened to more two-sided views, or at least acknowledged the biases that were driving us to want to only consume a politically slanted news message.

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    23. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember reading research done by a good University, and they were looking at how well informed different groups of people are based on their primary news source. And groups with no formal news source were more informed than people who watched Fox. Some how people who watch Fox are less informed than people who aren't informed. Yes, Fox is that bad.

    24. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Studies have shown than Fox news actually manages to "un-inform" people. People who use Fox as a news source are less informed than people who aren't informed at all. Fox has a negative value. It's quite an impressive feat. Fox is good at what they do.

    25. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by Moof123 · · Score: 1

      Blatant propaganda wrapped up as news does upset me. And no, the left does not do the equivalent in scope or magnitude in the slightest.

    26. Re: Pulled Fox News ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not rich and I watch FOX... When I watch and learn more and more about capitalism, I know I too will someday I will be rich too.. Hope socialism doesn't ruin in for me

    27. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      If it is the average, more than half the country has IQ below 100.

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    28. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the difference?

      I am not sure that it really is right wing, instead it is news through the lens of the super-rich.

      The true right wing is pro-capitalism and pro-free market...the super-rich are pro-corporate communism and anti-free market.

      Ne'er the twain shall meet..........the super-rich despise right wingers, and true right wingers despise the super-rich since they do not follow right wing ideology.

      the super-rich prefer fixed, pre-planned "markets" and "businesses" every.single.time.

      more profitable, more efficient, more "stable", less uncertainty.....

      leeching off of the taxpayer and merging with governments/writing the laws is the way the super-rich corporate communists roll.

      communism, corporate or otherwise, goes against true "right wing" values

      leeching off of the taxpayer, for corporate "profit" or because you are too lazy to "work" goes against true "right wing" values

      true right wingers are "live and let live" and about personal responsibility and accountability.....the super-rich are accountable to noone, and demand everyone prop them up 24/7 and be obedient to them from now to eternity.

    29. Re:Pulled Fox News ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the difference?

      I am not sure that it really is right wing, instead it is news through the lens of the super-rich.

      Now, many of the deluded "right wing" who think fox news / the super-rich are "right wing" is another story, I will give you that...

      many people who claim to be "right wing" of course merely care about money, do not actually adhere to "right wing" principles, they are just looking for an excuse why they should be allowed to do whatever they want and not be accountable to anyone..."personal responsibility" is the endless cry of those oppressing other people/ripping them off/stealing their tax money/etc. ... everyone else they steal from, should have been "more responsible" and their actions are the fault of everyone else for not stopping them.

      I will grant you many/most "right wingers" are communist posers...at least, those who actually run things, are not "right wing" at all despite any public appearances/acting/persona/image they portray (and/or is foisted upon them).

      basically, "right wingers" who think fox news is credible are clueless, drooling morons.

      true "right wingers" see fox news for the charade and constant hatefest that it is.

      it is mostly a distraction, to always rail against an invisible enemy, to distract from all the scams and lies the self-proclaimed "right wing" "conservative" "Republicans" want to pull behind the scenes...fox news does fill that role for the "right wingers" but I would not call those people "right wingers" except in name only...like the vast majority of "Republicans" it is just an act

      true "right wingers" actually despise most "republicans" and "conservatives" because they dont actually adhere to their self-proclaimed values...anything for a quick buck.

      to fox news, it is basically:

      "right wing" == do the opposite of anything Obama does

      which sounds great, in theory. in practice it ends up becoming:

      Obama does A, "right wingers" now favor B
      Obama/Satan/Democrats do C, "right wingers" now favor D
      Obama/Satan/Democrats do B, "right wingers" now favor A

      it is basically a Bugs Bunny / Daffy Duck cartoon......

      "rabbit season"
      "duck season"
      "duck season"
      "rabbit season"

      BOOM

      The (R) and (D) trade off who is bugs and who is daffy, but it the same old script every time...point fingers at the other side, even if your party did the exact same thing 20 years ago......even if your party does the exact same thing 5 years from now.......it really is just about power, nothing more.....(R) and (D) mean NOTHING but a jersey...

      the same reason many sports players "phone it in" ...they do not necessarily get paid more for "winning" ..trying their hardest is the quickest way to a career-ending injury...better to lay low, not make any waves, collect your check and keep a low profile...they trade "teams" and will go to the "other side" as many times as they like, if the paycheck over their is larger...then they will come back like nothing happened...

      at the risk of sounding like "communist works if it wasn't for those stupid people who always do it wrong!"
      you have to understand 90% of "right wingers" are just acting....
      and "fox news" is not "right wing" at all.......

  6. Dish Customer Here by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We also lost CNN and the Turner stations in October/November due to a renewal disagreement.

    This is far from limited to just Dish customers, as each major cable provider has to renegotiate regularly.

    I've noticed a common theme, though... no matter who you talk to, it's the other greedy bastard who's being unreasonable.

    --
    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

    1. Re:Dish Customer Here by kimvette · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have an idea - let them run adverts and offer the channels for free, OR charge cable and dish companies (ultimately the viewer) for the channels and run no adverts. End the greedy double-dipping. Cable and Satellite carriers perform a service by increasing their potential viewer share, which increases their advertising value. It is the networks who are greedy, not the rebroadcasters.

      --
      The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
    2. Re:Dish Customer Here by dj245 · · Score: 1

      We also lost CNN and the Turner stations in October/November due to a renewal disagreement.

      This is far from limited to just Dish customers, as each major cable provider has to renegotiate regularly.

      I've noticed a common theme, though... no matter who you talk to, it's the other greedy bastard who's being unreasonable.

      That just shows how nasty the negotiations are- each company is employing their PR department to push statements and try to influence the public as part of an overall negotiation strategy. Bringing in other people, especially one of a higher authority, into a negotiation is standard practice in negotiations (car sales manager is one good example). Trying to rope your customers into influencing a negotiation, however, is unusual and generally only happens when the negotiation is so nasty that you want people to see how nasty it is.

      --
      Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
    3. Re:Dish Customer Here by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      I would side with Dish in this disagreement. Fox wants to jack up the distribution fees and Dish is telling them no. If the fees go up Dish will pass that right along to you the customer.

      --
      Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    4. Re:Dish Customer Here by SydShamino · · Score: 2

      ...and I didn't miss CNN at all. At work they moved the cafeteria TVs to CNBC. At home if I watched the news at all I switched to Al Jazeera America to check them out. When CNN came back work switched em back.

      All of these news channels are replaceable. If Dishes loses they'll pass the rate increase on to me, and I'd rather lose one or two of them. Losing Fox is just a bonus.

      --
      It doesn't hurt to be nice.
    5. Re:Dish Customer Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We are already paying for the channels, and I remember when cable TV was not yet available in my home town, but was coming. We were promised NO COMMERCFIALS! As for me I will get cable TV back when it costs less than $25 a month, has no commercials at all, and has some decent programming rather than the crap that they run now. How do I know whats on cable if I don't have it you say? I was in the local hospital for about 3 months total betweem May and mid-August. Only the fact that I could use my tablet and laptop (at different times) to watch Netflix and Youtube via the hospital's wireless internet kept me sane! People here pay out the A** for cable TV that has gone to SH*T in the last few years! Its no wonder that Netflix and Roku are so popular here!!

    6. Re:Dish Customer Here by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dish costs less because they're willing to tolerate these lockouts... DirecTV is similar and available most places Dish is, and gets its deals done on time, but has to pay more and passes the costs on to consumers.

    7. Re:Dish Customer Here by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Apparently the news stations are shouting "price increase!" and DirecTV accepted and Dish, as usual, rejected.

    8. Re:Dish Customer Here by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      I've noticed a common theme, though... no matter who you talk to, it's the other greedy bastard who's being unreasonable.

      I think we can agree: All of the greedy bastards are being unreasonable.

      --
      Any insufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
    9. Re:Dish Customer Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want the greedy bastard that is going to help keep my bill from increasing. That means the greedy bastard I want to win is Dish.

    10. Re:Dish Customer Here by AJWM · · Score: 1

      This.

      Also, Dish can't retransmit what it doesn't have a contract for, and the contract expired. The disagreement is over the terms of a new contract.

      Apparently the various network heads haven't learned, despite plenty of opportunities to, that Charlie Ergen doesn't bluff.

      --
      -- Alastair
    11. Re:Dish Customer Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like it or not, a significant number of subscribers will leave Dish because they can't get Fox.

      And you think this will cause your bill to go down.

      You, Sir, are a retard.

    12. Re:Dish Customer Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its only Fox News channels that are affected, we get all the other Fox channels just fine. Secondly, the outages are always temporary. Dish has found that customers will put up with the outages if it means their bill won't increase. Customer retentions is no affected in the least. Third, I didn't say I expected my bill to go down, just that it won't increase.

      You, Sir, are a retard.

      I fucked your mom, last night. DERP!

    13. Re:Dish Customer Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usenet service (under $25 a month - mine is something like $9, I think), a free membership to an indexer, NZBdrone (or sickbeard), and Plex / XBMC (or whatever they're calling themselves now). ;P

    14. Re:Dish Customer Here by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I wonder what it would take for Dish to just start their own channels and programming.

      Netflix has done it. Amazon has done it. Yahoo is doing it with Community. I would actually subscribe to dish if they had new original programming and not Fox News.

    15. Re:Dish Customer Here by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      XBMC is now Kodi.

      Plex was OSXBMC renamed. The sources got quite divergent when Plex went more commercial.

    16. Re:Dish Customer Here by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      Welcome to what awaits the internet post-neutrality: more of the same, only online, and with fewer scrolling banners letting you know it's the other guy's fault.

      --
      If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
    17. Re:Dish Customer Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually they would all say that being 'unreasonable' is essential to getting the best price.

    18. Re:Dish Customer Here by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The real retards here are the poople that will flee a cable service just because they stand up to an upstream content provider.

      This is not about the bill going down. This is about the bill going up. Fox wants your cable bill to go up and Dish is fighting that.

      Like any sane business, they don't want their costs going up. Unfortunately, they are dealing with monopoly products that have a single supplier.

      It's high time that ALL cable providers itemized prices so that when channel X raises the bill, it is obvious that channel X is the greedy bastard that made your bill go up. No more hiding behind the reseller.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    19. Re:Dish Customer Here by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Well, Ergen takes them to the showdown... DirecTV avoids interruptions by paying fees Dish considers too high. Sometimes they use a court agreeing there should be a deal, but need a fair arbitrator on the prices involved.

    20. Re:Dish Customer Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > That just shows how normal the negotiations are- each company is employing their PR department to push statements and try to influence the public as part of an overall negotiation strategy.

      Fixed That For You....

    21. Re: Dish Customer Here by kenh · · Score: 1

      You mean like Current TV?

      Content creation is expensive, carrying other's content is just a pass-thru expense.

      --
      Ken
    22. Re: Dish Customer Here by kenh · · Score: 2

      Cable TV was never sold as "commercial-free" - cable TV traces it's roots back to CATV - "Central Antenna TeleVision" - intended to provide better reception of over-the-air broadcast TV stations. Then, later, satellites provided cable companies with the ability to carry commercial free cable channels (HBO) along with rebroadcasting local broadcast TV which always has contained commercials. Then along came cable channels that straddled both markets emerged - they are cable only, but include commercials.

      How was a cable company going to carry your local network stations and NOT carry the commercials?

      --
      Ken
    23. Re: Dish Customer Here by kenh · · Score: 1

      They currently enjoy both revenue streams, why would they agree to cut off one revenue stream for the other?

      What you are describing would only be possible if cable companies embraced the 'al a carte' model allowing customers to pick and choose individual channels for their service.

      --
      Ken
  7. GOOD NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    good riddance. Please die.

    Thanks,
    Everyone.

    1. Re:GOOD NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Take your CNN and New York Times and leftest-liberal, yellow journalism propaganda machine and stick it up your ass! Just because YOU don't agree doesn't mean you are correct, it just means you are an asshole, and full of shit.

    2. Re:GOOD NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Faux fan eh?

    3. Re:GOOD NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      was it the foaming, or the insults that tipped you off?

    4. Re:GOOD NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both?

  8. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Do people actually watch Fox news? I though it was sort of a parody thing.

  9. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps if the story'd been more fair and balanced?

    --
    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

  10. Pretend capitalism by Required+Snark · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    You realize this has nothing to do with capitalism, at least of the free market variety. They conflict is over who is going to get the money when they raise the rates. It's essentially which group of crooks is going to get to gouge customers.

    The primary beneficiaries are the upper management. No big corporation is run for the clients, stockholders, or employes who do the real work. It's all intended to enrich the people at the top.

    It's how things are right now: no democracy, no capitalism, no freedom. Nothing to see here, move along.

    --
    Why is Snark Required?
    1. Re:Pretend capitalism by kanweg · · Score: 2

      The interesting thing was also that the Fox rep said: "Hopefully they will vote with their hard earned money". I can't imagine that it was Fox insisting on a lower compensation for their shows. So, Dish could choose either to increase the rate for the customers and take their hard earned dollars for Fox or cough the money up themselves. Is it that Carry is too stupid to realise this (just uttering one of the typical cliche expressions) or what?

      Bert

    2. Re: Pretend capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hey, sitting around the pool waiting for the dividend checks to come in is hard work! Of course it's hard earned money.

      So is sitting around waiting for your Social Security checks to come in and then complaining about socialism. Welcome to the world of the low information voter, or in other words your typical Fox News watcher.

    3. Re:Pretend capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It isn't always about actually dollars, a lot of time it is about exposure. Just like Dish/DirectTV/Comcast/TW will force a bunch of crap channels on you that you don't want, the network conglomerates will do the same thing to the provides. They'll take a somewhat popular channel and demand other channels be packaged with it, and maybe even located within certain guidelines of the overall channel lineup

      The networks do it because potential viewer air time is one of the metrics they use to set commercial rates.

      The providers do it because they get viewers to help subsidize channels that cold never stand on their own. For example, I want the Tennis Channel but Comcast insists on sticking a bunch football channels and college sports with it and calling a "sports package". Why do they do this? Because none of those channels are owned by NBC/Comcast so if they put them in another pricing tier then Comcast doesn't have to pay for them all the time. Now the golf channel is NBC so everyone gets that in any kind of basic Comcast package.

  11. Only Fox (Faux) News was pulled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Okay then, nothing of value was lost.

    1. Re:Only Fox (Faux) News was pulled? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 0

      There exists some people who need to know what Bill O'Rielly is talking about each night. Those people can't tolerate Dish's occasional dropping of networks. DirecTV gets most of its deals done without disruption, but therefore has to increase prices more often.

    2. Re:Only Fox (Faux) News was pulled? by michrech · · Score: 2

      There exists some people who need to know what Bill O'Rielly is talking about each night. Those people can't tolerate Dish's occasional dropping of networks. DirecTV gets most of its deals done without disruption, but therefore has to increase prices more often.

      Those people can watch The Daily Show...

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      bork bork bork!
    3. Re:Only Fox (Faux) News was pulled? by Moppusan · · Score: 1

      DAMN why can't I have moderator points?? I'd mod you up 83 times.

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      You can dance if you want to.
    4. Re:Only Fox (Faux) News was pulled? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      CBS was warning of a possible block that would have affected Comedy Central earlier this year.

    5. Re:Only Fox (Faux) News was pulled? by michrech · · Score: 1

      That's OK. Pretty well everything I watch sits in NzbDrone, so even if that did happen, I'd be covered. :)

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      bork bork bork!
  12. Why is this on /. ? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 0

    Yet another off-topic article from Samzenpus.

    1. Re:Why is this on /. ? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      You don't understand Slashdot....

      Dish Network is a information service that uses DBS bandwidth... and we talk about TV shows geeks like around here.

      If you want tech business only, check on the weekday business day stories. If you want the fun stuff we do with tech, it's here on the weekends.

    2. Re:Why is this on /. ? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      What was the topic?

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      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    3. Re:Why is this on /. ? by diamondmagic · · Score: 1

      ... because it wouldn't have happened if the FCC would just get their act together and enforce Net Neutrality, dammit! /s

  13. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US.

    When did you leave?

  14. Substitution channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    When Turner Networks pulled their newschannels like CNN, CNNi, and HLN during the negotiations with Dish, Dish substituted for Glen Beck's Blaze channel and Al-Jazeera America. This time, Dish only substituted Beck's Blaze for one of the Fox News channels. I'm guessing that putting Al-Jazeera in as a substitute for Fox News would have caused a substantial portion of Dish customer's heads to explode. So kudos for Dish for thinking of the cranial integrity of their customers.

  15. What do you want? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

    In areas with bad or no cable TV service, Dish Network and DirecTV can be your only option. Dish has these channel dropping problems because they hold the line on price, refusing to pay up for overpriced channels. In the case of Fox, Rupert controls both the channel and the delivery service so Fox-branded channels will most likely never go down on DirecTV... but that causes DirecTV to cost more.

    If you can't handle the loss of your favorite channel, then you don't want Dish, you want DirecTV or a cable service.

    1. Re:What do you want? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me as the subscriber pick the channels I want. Have each channel stated with their monthly price. I will pick the ones I want and pay for those. Right now over 80% of my channels are ones I will never watch. I would rather have FOX News for $5/mo than Home Shopping Network for $1/mo.

      captcha: invoice

    2. Re:What do you want? by DavidRawling · · Score: 1

      But would you also take JUST Fox News for $20 a month, with no other channels, or Fox + 20 channels of crap for $10 a month? Because that's the type of "offer" the content networks generally make.

    3. Re:What do you want? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      It's not that simple. Your proposal is rather like people who want to choose which parts of the Federal Government their taxes fund. (Not that that's totally unreasonable, but implementation would be horrendous, and could be expected to increase the costs of most services.)

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  16. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in U by binarylarry · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, it was originally an attempt by Fox EG to compete with Stephen Colbert and The Colbert Report.

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    Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
  17. Stop Being Pawns and Do Our Bidding! by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

    It is unfortunate that the millions of Fox News viewers on Dish were used as pawns by their provider. Hopefully they will vote with their hard earned money and seek another one of our other valued distributors immediately.

    Stop being their pawns, do our bidding! Choke their cannon with your dead! And peel us some grapes!

  18. Re:No loss? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    and after some time fox will say you must take fox news with you want FS1, FS2, FXX, FX, FSN, FOX OTA, and more.

  19. What about the ads? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Where will I learn about the newest silver investments, or where to get catheters delivered to my home?

  20. Biggest issue for customers is NFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the real issue of course is the loss of NFL coverage this weekend for Dish customers who watch Fox sports. Otherwise, a lot of news from Fox can be had from the internet or other broadcasters. I personally dropped Dish a long time ago and never looked back. I use a antenna for local broadcast stations like Fox and use web streaming for everything else. But I can say that web content is not without licensing conflicts, as Netflix regularly drops content when agreements run out.
    Amazon has similar issues, as does Apple and Google Play. The problem lies with costs vs viewership and on one hand the networks all feel their content is worthy of more money and the content distributor feels differently. Dish to me has a complex when it comes to these negotiations. The management at Dish is the type who likes to play hard ball with the networks. Always pushing the limit to get a better deal. If its important to customers and they complain watch for these contract issues get worked out sooner rather then later. Customers start to quit Dish we know things will get worked out.

    1. Re:Biggest issue for customers is NFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not an issue. Fox Sports and Fox Entertainment divisions have their own separate deals with providers and their channels are unaffected. The only channels that have been pulled are Fox News channels.

    2. Re:Biggest issue for customers is NFL by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Yep, the problem is at Fox News Channel Inc. (the company that holds the copyrights to Fox News and Fox Business produced shows.) NFL is carried the affiliates at Fox Television Stations Group and produced by Fox Sports. Dish Network fans can still see the games on Fox.

  21. You forgot something... by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I actually do see a connection to unions here - if you're not genuinely willing to walk away from a bad deal, you're not actually negotiating. Businesses know this and it sometimes results in temporary outages, such as a TV channel or the Amazon dispute with publishers. In America we hardly have unions any more, and our media reports on strikes (e.g. a railroad strike in France) with derision and as a sign of a failed system. But I see it as a sign of tough negotiations between parties who both have something to lose. Ideally, each industry would have about as many unions as it has employers, and there would be more than one of each.

    I actually don't like the idea of being a faceless member of a collective, or causing a great divide between management and workers. But right now we have a situation where one side is organized and using its leverage to drive a tough bargain (with companies growing ever-larger, and more profitable), and the other is just lying down.

  22. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You need Fox news so Democratic administrations are held accountable.

    You need MSNBC so Republican administrations are held accountable.

    There are blowhards and static on both channels, but there is some useful information to be gleaned amongst the chaff.

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    My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
  23. Dish customer here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These outages can be pain, but as long as it keeps my bill from increasing, I support Dish's tough negotiating tactics.

  24. So much for the dish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to go back to cable.

  25. Dish has poisoned the well... by gbcox · · Score: 1

    Bengahzi

    1. Re:Dish has poisoned the well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      :: shrieks like a harpie in way to cause the testicles of any man to draw within ::

      WHAT DIFFERENCE AT THIS POINT DOES IT MAKE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

  26. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's a problem there... MSNBC's weekend lineup is filled with "Lockup", a program about jail that they ordered a batch of too many episodes. CNN is broadcasting mostly recorded programs on the weekend. So, only Fox News is covering the world as it happens with weekend newscasts during the day on weekends.

  27. A good first step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now if they just dump ESPN and Disney & ill think about subscribing to Dish again.

    1. Re:A good first step by speedlaw · · Score: 1

      when i got a $5 per month charge on my cable bill for sports programming, which I don't watch (the espn charge), I cut the cord. between OTA and streaming, no regrets at all. buh bye

  28. Get cable companies out of the way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me as a subscriber pay for what channels I want on an a la carte basis.

    Right now over half of the channels I get are channels I will NEVER watch (ie spanish channels and home shopping channels)

  29. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by houghi · · Score: 2

    You need jourmalism to keep them both accountable, not just one, because all too often BOTH are at fault.

    Further I think that journalism is there to bring you facts, not to 'hold acountable' anything, because if they start doing that, they are not just the messanger anymore (and you can shoot them for all I care). They are propaganda. That will then lead to censorship (Don't tell anything bad about our side and hope that nobody else finds out)

    What you have now is the choise of being shot in the left or the right kneecap and the media telling how bad the others are to shoot you in THAT specific kneecap.

    Who is bringing up that being shot in the kneecap is just not a good idea altogether? That is what journalism should be about.

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    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  30. Broadcast TV viewer here by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't really understand the issues. How much was Dish charging Fox News to deliver their content to Dish viewers? And what sort of fee increases was Dish asking for?

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    Have gnu, will travel.
    1. Re:Broadcast TV viewer here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other way around. Fox News wants to charge higher fees for Dish to broadcast Fox News content. Dish says the fees are too high.

    2. Re:Broadcast TV viewer here by AJWM · · Score: 1

      You've got that backwards (or I'm missing the sarcasm).

      Dish has to pay Fox News to retransmit Fox's content (copyrights!), Fox wanted to increase the price and/or require Dish to carry additional Fox-owned channels as part of the same contract.

      When Fox (or any other network in negotiations) claims that "Dish pulled the channel", they're stretching the truth. What they really mean is "the contract expired, and Dish cravenly stopped retransmitting our copyrighted content so we couldn't sue them for infringement."

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      -- Alastair
    3. Re:Broadcast TV viewer here by PPH · · Score: 2

      Other way around.

      That doesn't make sense. What with broadband providers trying to squeeze all the money they can out of Netflix, Google and any other content providers. Just call it sattelite Internet service and charge Fox for the bandwidth.

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      Have gnu, will travel.
    4. Re:Broadcast TV viewer here by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      It was probably sarcastic, but from a cost standpoint the GP has a point. Fox gives their signal "for free" OTA and makes money on advertising. Seems like the distributors could reverse the table if they wanted to play hardball. What good is a phone is you are unable to speak?

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      Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    5. Re:Broadcast TV viewer here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing is for free. OTA is by affiliate broadcasters who, guess what, are charged a fee for broadcasting Fox content. Also, Fox News channels are not broadcast OTA. They're only available on cable, satellite, and internet.

    6. Re:Broadcast TV viewer here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes perfect sense if you understand how commerce works.

      Fox is the supply, the consumers are the demand and DISH is the middle man providing a distribution system for Fox's supply to meet the demand. Fox charges for its content and DISH charges the consumer a subscription fee for access to that content along with its other operating costs. The service providers are NOT getting access to that content for free, and neither are the over-the-air (OTA) TV providers. OTA uses a different model for recouping costs other than subscriptions, that's all.

      All this still doesn't explain why we see commercials on our subscription service, though. That's the part that pisses me off and why I dropped cable/satellite TV myself.

    7. Re:Broadcast TV viewer here by bledri · · Score: 1

      I don't really understand the issues. How much was Dish charging Fox News to deliver their content to Dish viewers? And what sort of fee increases was Dish asking for?

      Brilliant!

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      Some privacy policy Slashdot.
    8. Re:Broadcast TV viewer here by PPH · · Score: 1

      It was probably sarcastic

      Probably.

      We'll see when Netflix starts charging Verizon and AT&T for distributing their content.

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      Have gnu, will travel.
  31. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 0, Troll

    This kind of remark is almost reflexive. You could make a criticism of CNN that they are living in a delusional world where blacks are still a suppressed group and where white people are blamed and demonized for any kind of evil or injustice. The liberals are so addicted to conflict and controversy that they cannot let go of long obsolete paradigms of victimization and have to constantly create new fake conflicts and greivances to create false pretenses for false battles. This is despite the fact that for the most part, if anything, whites are the oppressed group in todays society with policies that punish the intelligent and successful ones who built the country. The hatred, violence and attacks on the white race and the white majority today has taken on genocidal, hateful, racist tones. While blacks have been showered with billions of dollars of funded for educational programs, special giveaways and favors and still yet have been unable to in general achieve much of anything at all.

    The best thing that could be done for blacks is to jetisson the liberalism, their disgusting white guilt and black victimization tripe, and send a clear message that they have to take personal responsibility and stop blaming others for your own pathetic incompetence. Then they will get the message that to become successful you have to work at it, excel, have vision and so on, and pride in yourself. Pride is an unknown word for liberals, all they know how to do is make some people (whites) feel guilty and make others (blacks) feel sorry for themselves all of the time. It is very tired, old and it has to go.

    The democratic party of today is of worship and idolization of mediocrity, the most dim-wited, worthless and parasitic elements of society are the primary clientele of the Liberals, those self righteous, arrogant liberals who on one hand feel they are intellectual superiors, on the other hand enable and even idolize the over-proliferation of the feeble minded mentality. Its almost as if this liberal elite knows it needs a clueless and inept, permenant underclass that it can rely on to buy votes with endless welfare payouts. The Liberals are obsessed with controlling other people, being the self rightoeous jerks that they are who think that they and they alone are gifted with intellectually superior capabilities who know better than you how to run your life, and which is why they idolize the most inept and clueless, they need the inept and clueless to justify themselves, as they need a low skill, uneducated population which cannot govern themselves and therefore need the all wise and all knowing liberal intellectual to manage every aspect of their lives for them. There is nothing more pathetic and absurd than modern Liberalism.

  32. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, they did in fact. I found it on their site easily.

  33. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by jd2112 · · Score: 1

    You need Fox news so Democratic administrations are held accountable.

    You need MSNBC so Republican administrations are held accountable.

    There are blowhards and static on both channels, but there is some useful information to be gleaned amongst the chaff.

    As a rule of thumb, take the 'liberal' and 'conservative' commentary, split the difference between the two, and then factor out any common business interest between the various media companies (e.g. SOPA, advertisers, etc.) and you will have a much more accurate view of world events.

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  34. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look who's bored. Dish customer?

  35. Wherfe do I sign up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Dish,

    Ban them permanently and I'll sign up for your biggest package today!

  36. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Up next on Fox News: Climate Change: Hoax of the century or are all scientists just stupid? Later, BENGHAZI!!!!! followed by the IRS "scandal." Then after the break it's the economy, year six of inflation being just around the corner, with special guest the president of Goldline who will talk about the great investment opportunity that gold represents. But first, Barack Hussein Obama: how the Kenyan Marxist Socialist Islamist Communist faked his birth certificate, his plans to destroy America, and the source of his anti-white rage.

    Nobody watches MSNBC.

  37. Re:No loss? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and after some time fox will say you must take fox news with you want FS1, FS2, FXX, FX, FSN, FOX OTA, and more.

    RTFA - that is exactly what Fox tried to do. When Dish said, no we're only interested in negotiating rates for the specific channels whose contract is expiring, that's when Fox pulled the plug.

  38. nobel prize for dish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    give Dish the nobel prize for ridding their customers of Fox News hate

  39. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    but there is some useful information to be gleaned amongst the chaff.

    Except that most people don't seem smart enough to discern the wheat from the chaff, and believe 100% what their preferred news source is saying.

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  40. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Damn, the Republicans are up early this morning. Church let out already? Run out of abortion clinics to firebomb?

  41. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Whoosh. Read the parent's full comment again, title included.

    (But since you're a Fox News reader by your own admission, I'll guess that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.)

  42. Misleading Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fox pulled the channels. Dish would have continued to rebroadcast them as long as Fox would have allowed.

  43. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in by analien7901 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Says the person posting on Slashdot trying to exert the fact that he is smarter than everyone......

  44. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
  45. Which is it? Who blocked it? by BenJeremy · · Score: 1

    FTFA: 21st Century Fox had blocked access to the two networks ... Dish prematurely ceased distribution of Fox News

    So each one is blaming the other...

  46. Generally speaking by m.dillon · · Score: 1

    Generally speaking, major owners of multiple networks such as Fox often try to force distributors (cable networks, dish, etc) to bundle all of their networks. Kind of an all-or-nothing approach. Otherwise networks like Fox News just wouldn't get distributed at all. It doesn't have a large enough following.

    This is slowly changing as peoples viewing habits change. People are watching less T.V. these days and that is shifting the cost model such that the 'junk' channels are now more of a drag on profits vs the relatively few channels that people still really care about.

    -Matt

    1. Re:Generally speaking by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 4, Informative

      While I'm definitely not a fan of their ouvre, Fox News is the fourth most popular cable channel, behind only Disney, Nickelodeon, and Adult Swim. As much as you may not like that, they certainly do have a "large enough following".

  47. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What you actually need are impartial and unbiased news networks who report news in a genuinely unbiased way, strictly separate their reporting from their editorialising and ask hard questions of whomever happens to be in charge and the opposition. Preferably this would codified with broadcast standards that they would be required to stick to.

  48. Grandparents. by uolamer · · Score: 1

    So my grandmother who lives where there is no cable TV is only being brainwashed by the Christian Broadcast Network now.... (seriously)

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  49. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by michrech · · Score: 1

    Wish I had mod points so this could be raised up...

    Also, I think that's the first time I've ever uttered those words for an AC comment... lol

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  50. Woohooo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A tiny minority.

  51. Gotta love the optimism... by Computershack · · Score: 1

    Hopefully they will vote with their hard earned money and seek another one of our other valued distributors immediately."

    Or after having to watch alternatives they'll come to the realisation of just how shitty Fox News is and just not bother paying to watch them again.

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    1. Re:Gotta love the optimism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A whole distribution network with end customers that can't watch Fox News. That should be an atractive distributor for all competitors of Fox News.

  52. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by hax4bux · · Score: 1

    +1 and well played

  53. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    only Fox News is covering the world as it happens

    Bwa Ha Ha Ha Ha
    Wait you were serious?

  54. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In fact it is the most watched news channel in US. MSNBC is dead last.

  55. Dish Network Hacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone still hack Dish or DirecTV? I heard something about getting through metal etch layers in a presentation on ASICs for getting to the crypto, so I assume that it's done, but who does it?

  56. Pawned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of fox News reports, over 50% of them are false or outright lies. Who is using Whom, as pawns?
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/09/analysis-over-half-of-all-statements-made-on-fox-news-are-false/

  57. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's because intelligent people don't watch either network. You get a better perspective from a mix of NPR, BBC, and even Aljazheera English.

  58. No Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hopefully they will vote with their hard earned money and seek another one of our other valued distributors immediately."

    Really Fox? Are you that far removed that you honestly do not know the state of cable and satellite television in this country? What "other valued distributor" might you be talking about considering that most of the country is served by at best 2 choices for television and one choice for broadband (if that!)? You better realize pretty fast that because of you and other media giants abusing your positions into near-monopolies, you actually do not have the negotiating room you think you do, and people do realize that.

    After a month without you, people don't care about you anymore. they've found other ways to get along, get their infotainment, entertainment, etc and don't want to have to give up the new for the old again.

  59. Trailer parks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where will our trailer parks get their news from now?

  60. They are both to blame. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I call a pox on both of their houses!

  61. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by pellik · · Score: 0

    Americans are getting smarter, no thanks to Obamacare.

  62. Fox Entertainment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When a News service becomes political, it stops being News, instead its only entertainment.

    1. Re:Fox Entertainment by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Then there's no such thing as a news service. Some may be more informative than others, but they're all ultimately entertainment.

  63. Re:No loss? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    and when the contract for the other channels ends fox news will be part of them.

  64. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need Fox news so Democratic administrations are held accountable.

    You need MSNBC so Republican administrations are held accountable.

    There are blowhards and static on both channels, but there is some useful information to be gleaned amongst the chaff.

    You do know that "Fox News" bills itself as an entertainment channel, not a news source, right? They shouldn't be able to get press credentials let alone credibility as a member of the Fourth Estate keeping checks on government, no matter the administration's political philosophy.

  65. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by bledri · · Score: 1

    What you actually need are impartial and unbiased news networks who report news in a genuinely unbiased way, strictly separate their reporting from their editorialising and ask hard questions of whomever happens to be in charge and the opposition. Preferably this would codified with broadcast standards that they would be required to stick to.

    I agree. But sadly that requires a demand for real journalism, but sensationalism and anger-porn are what people tend to gravitate toward.

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  66. wrong totally by doginthewoods · · Score: 1

    the truth is this "most watched" stat is fake. What Fox did was pressure the cable companies to put Fox news on basic cable, and put other cable news programs, on upgrade packages. So Fox counts how basic cable installs to come up with this figure. This "free Fox on basic cable" is why, when you go to some gyms, doctors' offices, auto dealers, they have Fox news going. Which, again, Fox counts. But what do you expect from chronic liars..

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    1. Re: wrong totally by jmac_the_man · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I've never heard of a cable package with CNN not on basic cable. You usually get CNN, Fox, and MSNBC. Dish network, the company who we're allegedly talking about, has all 3 on their basic service.

      Also, the bonus for doctor's offices and car dealerships doesn't account for the success of Fox's prime time shows. Fox News routinely blows out its competitors in prime time, a time at which most of those businesses are closed and viewers are watching at home.

    2. Re: wrong totally by kenh · · Score: 2

      What a staggeringly ignorant post, oh wait, it's Slashdot...

      the truth is this "most watched" stat is fake. What Fox did was pressure the cable companies to put Fox news on basic cable, and put other cable news programs, on upgrade packages.

      What? CNN and MSNBC are also part of 'basic cable', and do you simply not understand the difference between subscribers and viewers?

      Oprah's OWN network and Algezera America have LOTS of subscribers, but no viewers to speak of. This impacts the advertising rate and the types of advertisers they are able to attract.

      Fox News has the highest rated shows in cable news, and they can charge premium rates for their advertising spots... Why, because they have the VIEWERS.

      So Fox counts how basic cable installs to come up with this figure.

      No, only YOU confuse subscribers with viewers... Everyone else understands the difference.

      This "free Fox on basic cable" is why, when you go to some gyms, doctors' offices, auto dealers, they have Fox news going. Which, again, Fox counts. But what do you expect from chronic liars..

      So they falsely count telivisons on in "gyms, doctor's offices, auto dealers"? No, those are called VIEWERS, actual viewers, and the businesses that choose to put their public TVs on those channels have equally free access to CNN, MSNBC, CSPAN, PBS, OWN, Lagezera America, Discovery channel, etc.

      Your inability to understand the difference between subscribers and viewers is not evidence of 'lying' Fox News - these are the Arbitron numbers the industry runs on, these are the numbers CNN is trying to improve by airing documentaries and travel shows on their 'news' channel in the evening.

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    3. Re: wrong totally by MisterSquid · · Score: 2

      I've never heard of a cable package with CNN not on basic cable. You usually get CNN, Fox, and MSNBC. Dish network, the company who we're allegedly talking about, has all 3 on their basic service.

      Also, the bonus for doctor's offices and car dealerships doesn't account for the success of Fox's prime time shows. Fox News routinely blows out its competitors in prime time, a time at which most of those businesses are closed and viewers are watching at home.

      The people still glued to their TV sets and cable television in the US in 2014 are very likely politically and educationally uniform.

      Admittedly with no data to hand, the demographic who watches FOX as a source of news likely anti-intellectual, science-denying, god-fearing, economically disenfranchised, and socially regressive.

      But even if I'm mistaken in my gross stereotype of the audience for FOX News, judging the "merits" of a TV network according to the size of the TV audience misses the forest for the trees which is that in 2014 the smart ones aren't really watching any cable TV at all.

      One guess where those smart people are getting their news. (Hint: the Internet has many, many sources of information where even single individuals can reach millions of people pretty much in real time.)

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    4. Re: wrong totally by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      Admittedly with no data to hand, the demographic who watches FOX as a source of news likely anti-intellectual, science-denying, god-fearing, economically disenfranchised, and socially regressive.

      It looks like you missed at least three words in this sentence. But that's the problem with calling people dumb over the Internet, isn't it?

      Anyway, in this chain we're addressing the lie that Fox lies about being the most watched cable news network and that they juice the number through underhanded pressure on the cable companies. (I'm pointing out that Fox's claim, that they are the most watched cable news network, is both true and measured in a meaningful way.

      None of that has anything to do with your irrational and ill-informed hatred for Fox's audience.

    5. Re: wrong totally by Cognizant · · Score: 1

      I will say this. Every person I know that watches Fox news just happens to be a dumb ass that I cant stand to be around for more than 5 minutes Fox news watching or not.

    6. Re: wrong totally by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      On Cox Cable, if you go with the very basic package you only get the first 19 channels(including all the sub-channels of those 19). Fox is channel 6 and Fox News is 6.2. CNN is channel 33 and MSNBC is channel 42. Guess who's available on their minimal basic offering. Christ... Fox News is even available OTA locally since the broadcasters went digital.

    7. Re: wrong totally by MisterSquid · · Score: 1

      Admittedly with no data to hand, the demographic who watches FOX as a source of news likely anti-intellectual, science-denying, god-fearing, economically disenfranchised, and socially regressive.

      It looks like you missed at least three words in this sentence. But that's the problem with calling people dumb over the Internet, isn't it?

      I missed one word, an "is" between "news" and "likely".

      I called no one dumb, though I did insinuate it by calling people a subset of people who don't get their news from cable TV "smart ones". I stand by that assertion, that people who get their news through the Internet are more literate, skeptical, and open to evidence-based claims than those who get their news through cable TV.

      I have no data for my claim, which I admit is a stereotype.

      Finally, I don't hate the audience I characterized, though my political differences with that audience may be great.

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    8. Re: wrong totally by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1
      I wasn't aware that Fox News was available OTA anywhere. OTA channels transmitting above a certain power level get to have what's called "must carry" status, which means, in a nutshell, that cable and satellite providers "must carry" them on basic cable. That's a little different than Fox "pressuring the cable companies to put Fox on cable and CNN and MSNBC on upgrade packages."

      Also, I'm in the New York area. Fox News's studio shows are broadcast FROM here, but they're not OTA here.What market are they OTA in?

    9. Re: wrong totally by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      I called no one dumb, though I did insinuate it by calling people a subset of people who don't get their news from cable TV "smart ones"... Finally, I don't hate the audience I characterized, though my political differences with that audience may be great.

      Do you see how someone could misinterpret this quote as "Fox News viewers are dumb" and "I hate Fox News viewers?"

      The demographic who watches FOX as a source of news [is] likely anti-intellectual, science-denying, god-fearing, economically disenfranchised, and socially regressive.

    10. Re: wrong totally by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      Mid GA

    11. Re: wrong totally by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      Do you get the broadcast networks out of Atlanta? Because CNN headquarters is in Atlanta, and it would be incredibly ironic if Fox was OTA there and CNN was not.

    12. Re: wrong totally by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

      If I had an antenna tall enough, I think I'd be able to get channel 2. To my knowledge CNN isn't OTA. And neither is Fox News, normally. I did some digging locally and we're a special case where the local Fox Affiliate bought rights to broadcast Fox News OTA over one of their digital segments... along with the rights to carry ABC after what was the local ABC Affiliate lost the franchise with Disney. So we have the extra special scary case where one local broadcast station has the rights to carry Fox, Fox News, and ABC.

  67. What's Up with DISH? by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

    First they lose all the Time Warner channels, then they lost CBS, now they lost all the Fox Channels...

    Pretty soon there's going to be no actual channels left on DISH.

    1. Re: What's Up with DISH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading the article is hard huh? Too busy reading about the Kardashians?

  68. Shame, fox news is best satire around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My family and I love the mocking of mentally incapacitated republicans from America. By far the best satirical news program ever broadcast, except maybe for Brass Eye, another English language program, made by the British. that focused on a specific topics though, rather than the accros the board mockery of extreme right wing mental retardation.

  69. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in U by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I must admit, I wasn't really on the band wagon of making the comments. I came here looking to read the humor.

    I personally don't depend on any of the networks because I have had the displeasure of having the opportunity of learning how broadcast journalism actually works. As a result, I have absolutely no use for their media. I certainly don't wish to be a target for what passes as journalism today.

    The government operations (like the Senate, House, etc...) are broadcast an televised. We're choosing candidates as members of a team. We pick a team like Fox or CNN and they broadcast play by play or blow by blow reports of how they interpreted events in the government. We don't choose politicians to represent our best interests. We choose politicians to be a member of one team or another. We want our teams to win and we don't care what they have to do in order to do it. We love the technicalities too. Like, "My team doesn't like what the president did. Look here, there's a little rule in the rule book which says we can throw a card and sue the president for doing his job the best he can".

    I must admit, I put little faith in the silliness you seemed to come here to attack. I have far less use for a drone like yourself who seems to think that just because someone won a popularity contest and was voted CEO (which actually doesn't mean what you think it does) he/she or they are special by some means.

    Comments here are a waste of time and effort, but for many of us provide an outlet for our frustrations with the system. It's probably no more productive than talking sports at a bar, but it at least keeps us from being drunk all the time. If you're not interested in the Slashdot method of communicating, why would you bother coming here? Of course, I guess maybe you're just using the comments as a place to be a dick and unload a bit. More power to you. Enjoy, Slashdot is here to offend and we are its little helpers :)

  70. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in by DexterIsADog · · Score: 2

    Says the person posting on Slashdot trying to exert the fact that he is smarter than everyone......

    Says the person meta-criticizing a /. criticism, and who also apparently cannot tell the difference between the words "exert" and "assert".

  71. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in U by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

    This is hardly news. Read about the Greens and the Blues in Byzantium.

    I guess they only need a football team each and it would be complete.

  72. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    take the 'liberal' and 'conservative' commentary, split the difference between the two,

    Why bother with commentary at all? Can't we just get some facts?

  73. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by tgrigsby · · Score: 0

    If by "as it happens" you mean, "that fits, with the proper amount of spin and misreporting, the Fox 'News' propaganda outlet's worldview", then yes, I agree.

    Personally I'm relieved that Fox "News" got slapped back a bit. It's not news -- it's entertainment for simple-minded, easily provoked bigots.

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  74. Not the first time in recent history by grilled-cheese · · Score: 1

    Suddenlink just cut all of Viacom last month because negotiations broke down too.

  75. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by HiThere · · Score: 1

    What do you mean "held accountable"? When was the last time a major political figure was prosecuted for his crimes, rather than becaus his opponents found prosecution a convenient stick? The last time I can think of is Nixon, and I'm not certain about that. (I don't consider sex with consenting women that you aren't married to to be a crime. So don't bring up Clinton. That was clearly political action rather than prosecution.)

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  76. This Dish Customer doesn't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a Dish customer, and I don't give a rats ass. I don't watch any of the cable news crap shows. CNN went off a month or two ago and I didn't notice. Nor did I notice when it returned. Same will be true of FoxNews. As for other distributors, the only other choice I have is DirectTV, and they suck more. So I'm with Dish until I cut the cord completely, which will likely be in the coming year.

  77. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

    I meant "as it happens" as in "live" broadcasting... MSNBC will tell you about something gone wrong Saturday midday on Sunday, there's no same day program that can handle that news on their schedule.

  78. What by jasonbeckham · · Score: 1

    That doesn't make sense. What with broadband providers trying to squeeze all the money they can out of Netflix, Google and any other content providers. Just call it sattelite Internet service and charge Fox for the bandwidth. .

  79. MOD PARENT RACIST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dice, May We Get A -1, RACIST Moderation? I Do Not Take Kindly To Racist Comments Suchas The One Above. We Will Never Advance Our Cause To Equality So Long As Such Biggotry Exists.

    1. Re:MOD PARENT RACIST by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 2

      Mod parent too close to the truth. People need to take responsibility for their actions rather than blame it all on racism. Enough of you libtards and your disgusting and vile BS, trying to label anyone who disagrees with your appalling communist ideology as a racist. Absolutely shameless. The only racist around here is YOU. What the hell is your problem anyway and why do you have such a racist hatred of white people that you feel so inclined to go on the attack whenever anyone should call you out?

    2. Re:MOD PARENT RACIST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We As Progressives Must Learn To Forgive Such Hatred And Biggotry. Eravyankee, I Forgive You. You Will One Day Change Your Ways So We Can All Live Together In Agreement.

    3. Re:MOD PARENT RACIST by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

      I dont have any bigotry, so what are you talking about? So many seem to be awfully good at blaming people of another race for their problems even though the justifications for this have long since vanished. So why do we continue to do it? The Civil Right movement, once valid and justified, once concerned with a valid agenda for an equal employment opportunity, has morphed into a full scale war on white people taken to a now genocidal extreme. And you are accusing me of being racist, who has agrees with such things as equal employment rights. When did I ever say that anyone should be discriminated against in employment because of race. I find the idea to abhorrent, as abhorrent as schemes to try to get revenge against and attack demonized racial group. What other majority racial group has gone so far to gaurantee equal economic opportunity for minorities, protections I support? Not many. So why does an attack continue against this majority group? Its because this is not about rights for minorities anymore, it has morphed into an attack on the majority.

    4. Re:MOD PARENT RACIST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You Donot Have Any Biggotry But You ARE Biggotry. By The Virtues Of Denying "The Problem" You Are The Biggotry. You Must Step In An African Americans Shoes To Understand But Since You Cannot Do That You Will Never Know.

  80. The one thing balanced about FNC by tepples · · Score: 1

    As a rule of thumb, take the 'liberal' and 'conservative' commentary, split the difference between the two

    In other words, the only thing "fair and balanced" about FOX News Channel is that it balances out MSNBC.

  81. We have Fox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in Dish, TX. (Yes, we all have free dish tv here.) I didn't even know we had FOX News on it. I usually get most of my news from slashDot. Fox won't be missed.

  82. Commentary gets butts in seats by tepples · · Score: 1

    Why bother with commentary at all? Can't we just get some facts?

    Facts don't get butts in seats and ads in front of eyeballs the way commentary does.

  83. Good luck moving by tepples · · Score: 1

    A lot of people have satellite TV because they live outside the service area of cable TV. What would you do in such a situation?

  84. Satellite TV is unicast by tepples · · Score: 1

    The difference between satellite television and satellite Internet is that satellite television is broadcast with conditional access and satellite Internet is unicast. The limited throughput of a satellite's transponders causes each customer to pay several dollars per GB of transfer (source: exede.com) to reserve time on the transponder to bounce the signal. Netflix over satelliet would quickly run you into your monthly quota.

    1. Re:Satellite TV is unicast by PPH · · Score: 1

      satellite television is broadcast with conditional access and satellite Internet is unicast

      Merely a technical detail of the implementation by Dish. And not really of concern to, or the business of, any outside party.

      Tomorrow, Dish could lease bandwidth from some ultra cheap, high bandwidth satellite provider that would enable them to switch to video delivery via IP or whatever. That's not my business, or Fox's. The encrypted satellite up/downlinks are private communications channels for the exclusive use of Dish between their head end and set top boxes. What Fox, or Netflix, should pay for, is the service of delivering a video/audio stream to the HDMI port on the back of the STB.

      The fact that Congress has a couple of morons who write laws based not upon a product or service, but one particular implementation of that is what hampers innovation.

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  85. Combination of revenue sources is required by tepples · · Score: 1

    All this still doesn't explain why we see commercials on our subscription service, though.

    That's easy. With commercials alone or with retransmission consent royalties alone, most pay TV channels can't pay the bills to produce original programming. Only the combination of both provides enough revenue. If pay TV channels relied exclusively on retransmission consent royalties, every channel would be as expensive as, say, HBO, and many channels that aim for a more niche audience would go out of business.

    1. Re:Combination of revenue sources is required by PPH · · Score: 1

      most pay TV channels can't pay the bills to produce original programming.

      And yet, my local OTA TV station seems to make a go of it. With a much smaller market available to spread the costs of their news anchors or local personality talking heads.

      I think what you are hearing is the lobbying PR of the pay TV channels trying to protect one source of income that they had Congress write into law years ago.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
  86. I "need" Fox or MSNBC as much as i need Stormfront by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    No one needs MSNBC just because Fox is a farce--they both represent the same entity--the Business Party. People should know not to turn to TV for news.

  87. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

    Mod parent too close to the truth. Troll=too close to the truth and we must suppress the truth. Take responsibility for your actions, stop blaming others for your failures and stupidity is my advice. Stop idolizing and giving excuses for the inept and clueless. It seems according to you unless you are for massive taxes and trying to slant the system in every way, to attack white Americans in every way you can, someone is a racist. I am sure you view being white itself as being racist! I am sure you people have an absolutely vitrolic hatred of white people and have orgasmic fantasies about the day when white people will be exterminated, dont you? So you have to accuse anyone who tries to call our your genocidal agenda as being the same thing that you are. The only people around here that are racist and who wants to try to exterminate entire racial groups are YOU and your appalling liberal amoral policies. What a bunch of disgusting and vile genocidal sociopaths.

  88. Here, let me fix that for you by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    Do people actually watch (pick one: ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN)? I thought it was sort of a parody thing. Your welcome.

    1. Re: Here, let me fix that for you by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      PBS? Absolutely. I also used to watch CNN headlines news. Used to be great. Now, it is like faux: pure crap.

      --
      I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    2. Re:Here, let me fix that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do people actually watch (pick one: ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN)? I thought it was sort of a parody thing. You're welcome.

      FTFY

      .

  89. And? by JamesRing · · Score: 1

    And nothing of value was lost.

  90. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hasa diga eebowai!!! You beat me too it! That's almost word for word the first thought in my head when I saw the headline.

  91. Which is it? by kenh · · Score: 1

    Fox News and Fox Business were pulled by Dish Network over the weekend, as both continue to argue over a fee agreement. From the article: "Dish said in a statement early Sunday morning that 21st Century Fox had blocked access to the two networks

    So which is it? Did Dish drop Fox or did Fox block Dish?

    --
    Ken
  92. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need Fox news so Democratic administrations are held accountable.
    You need MSNBC so Republican administrations are held accountable.

    There are blowhards and static on both channels, but there is some useful information to be gleaned amongst the chaff.

    You need Fox so "fictional image of Republican administrations" can be broadcast, and the truth is never heard.
    You need MSNBC so "fictional image of Democratic administrations" can be spread, and the truth is never heard.

    No, we don't need either of them.

              Noise + noise == lots of noise, drowns out any actual signal.

    They may be useful as "what the ruling elite wish us to believe" and as a stepping point for "the truth is likely opposite of what they both say" ..... but they are not "needed" any more than everyone "needs" rabies + crabs to fight the common cold.

    I will take the common cold, thank you. You can keep your rabies and crabs to yourself.

    Held "accountable" you must be joking.

    It is good to have lab samples of rabies and crabs, so you can spot them, sure. Noone "needs" that. They should be in a petri dish / test tube far away from the public. Let them grow and multiply and mutate, and we can study them from a distance...but noone "needs" rabies or crabs.

    You are putting the batshit insane magical "fair and balanced" leprechaun before the cart before the horse......

    even if good old Rabby Crab O'Brien did actually exist, it serves GOLD and cares not for humans, truth, reality, logic, spirit, beauty, imagination, creativity, morals, integrity, honesty....just GOLD.

    old Rabby Crab can do a little jig naked, try and get my attention........it doesn't matter, I don't want crabs or rabies.....I am not going to be his bedfellow.

    I don't want his mother or his daughter or his sister either, they are all disease-ridden.

    crabs + rabies == I bet that common cold isn't bothering you anymore, is it?

    I just don't see that as a "solution." I vote "no confidence" on Rabby Crab.

    Rabby O'Brien == bad, only cares about GOLD

    Crabs O'Brien == also bad, only cares about GOLD

    Rabby Crab O'Brien == just makes it worse...and yet, despite his awful condition...
                    the disease-ridden creature still only cares about GOLD...is not concerned with the fact he is infested
                    and spreading it everywhere......just wants more GOLD

  93. Re: Can't troll worth a shit, so wall of text? by khayman80 · · Score: 1

    If anyone reading this is curious what a troll looks like, find thia dude's "energy conservation" post in that thread. And i'll write your next comment for you to save you from having to consult your one-line script yet again: "y u ask me kill myslef" [Rujiel, 2014-12-14]

    Do you mean this post where I explained that Jane Q. Public's climate science denial violates conservation of energy? Again, why did that prompt you to accuse me of being a paid oil troll?

    Are they hiring you losers while still in high school these days? The bar for paid oil trolls sure is a low one--any stupid thing to prevent the discussion of the oil cartel's impunity. Do the world a favor and kill yourself. [Rujiel, 2014-11-20]

    Why would a paid oil troll defend mainstream climate science? This is one reason why I think you might be mistaking me for someone else. Why would the oil industry pay me to debunk the same baseless accusations they're helping to spread?

    Another reason I think you might be mistaking me for someone else is that in that post I quoted Jane Q. Public to respond to his baseless accusation:

    .. Ever since I challenged his incorrect answer to a question of physics several years ago, he has been rude and insulting.. [Jane Q. Public, 2014-11-20]

    ... seriously, "rude and insulting"? Here are just a few of Jane's most recent charming statements to me. If Jane was telling the truth about my comments, Jane should be able to produce quotes of similar length which are just as "rude and insulting" as Jane's. Jane can't do that because he's just projecting his own rude, cuss-filled insults onto me.

    ".. Jesus, you're a dumbshit. .. your adolescent, antisocial behavior .. keep making a fool of yourself. .. you're being such a dumbass .. your analysis of it is a total clusterfuck. .. you're so damned arrogant you think I'm the one being stupid. .. you were too goddamned stupid .." [Jane Q. Public]

    As you can tell by clicking those links, all those insulting comments were actually quotes from Jane Q. Public, directed at me. As you can tell, Jane Q. Public has been cussing at me for months, and I never responded in kind. That's why I found it bewildering that he accused me of being "rude and insulting". So I quoted some of Jane's bizarre insults to show that Jane's baseless accusation was textbook psychological projection.

    It's still not clear why this caused you to hate me so much that you've suggested I kill myself three times.

  94. Dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Glad DTV still has it, other news stations are really hard to watch, every time I see CBS news, I can see why it is going down hill and Fox gets all the viewers.

    Yea, I know Fox news is not perfect, but you are more likely to get more facts and not get lied strait to your face. Just look at Obamacare, listen to CBS/NBC and you still think it is working as Obama said it would.

    Not very smart of dish to drop the most viewed news channel.

  95. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by kenh · · Score: 1

    No, we really don't 'need' MSNBC, their news programs suck, their opinion shows 'strive' to emulate The Daily Show, and they turn off the news department on weekends to entertain prison-fetishists...

    --
    Ken
  96. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 0

    When the police stop killing 7 year old black girls.
    And when the police stop killing blacks at 2x the rate of whites.
    And when police stop pulling over blacks at over 5x the rate they pull over whites
    And when police stop pulling the white girls in mixed groups aside- calling their parents to come pick them up so there is no arrest warrant AND THEN telling the black girls in the group that "the trash goes in back"
    And when judges and juries stop sentencing blacks to longer sentences than other groups for the same offenses...

    Then the crap you are trying to sell will be valid.

    Can blacks succeed in america? Yes.

    Is it MUCH harder than it should be for them because of massive and systemic racism? Absolutely.

    Whites do well given unequal schooling, unequal job opportunity, unequal law enforcement, a larger "old boy" network holding a disproportional portion of the plum positions and passing them down to their children, etc. etc.

    The days of white privilege are still slowly ending and they will probably continue slowly end for at least another 40 years.

    --
    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  97. Vote with their hard earned money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope every fucking consumerist idiot out there does exactly that, vote with their hard earned money by not stupidly giving it away.

    Cancel their subscriptions to both.

  98. #andnothingofvaluewaslost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seriously, leave them out of the lineup and knock a couple bucks off every subscriber's bill.

  99. Re:In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    here comes the shootdown: the term "sociopath" hasn't been used by any reputable psychologist since 1968.

    As for the race issue, I have this observation: we all bleed the same colour. I learned while watching a movie at age 4 where a man of "colour" was wounded, and he bled red, I asked my mother why he was bleeding red when his skin was brown, she told me something I'll never ever forget: skin is only a wrapper.

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    Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
  100. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

    No...his use of exert was correct - maybe not the best usage, but it was used correctly. His post's parent was attempting to make a mental effort to convince us that he was smarter than everyone...through an assertion. Either way, it's energy wasted.

  101. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are a dumb fuck fool

  102. Dump Dish by trigggl · · Score: 1

    Fox and Me
    We both agree
    I moved from Dish
    To DirecTV

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    Ops, I shuld have usd the prevuwe but in.
    1. Re:Dump Dish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good riddance commie,,now if we could get you right nut licking commie to leave America,,things would get better for America!

  103. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Foxnews is only news that tells truth . Only old ladies and follow the leader college kids watch those other channels.

  104. Dish does this. by Stubbyfingers · · Score: 1

    In two weeks(maybe more, maybe less), they'll kiss and make up like newlyweds after their first big fight.

    Might even do it right there on the table in front of the rest of the meeting.

  105. Dish is a bad taste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, how has dish's entire customer base not pulled anchor and set sail. They are so badly run, I will NEVER let them near my tv again.

  106. Fox lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dish pulled fox because networks continue to raise fees that have viewers see rate increases every year,this is not limited to fox.Soon we will be paying $200 plus for tv service and consumers will look to other entertainment choices.

  107. hurray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe I will subscribe to DISH now that crap like Fox NOT-news is out of their line up

  108. Which high bandwidth sat provider? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Tomorrow, Dish could lease bandwidth from some ultra cheap, high bandwidth satellite provider that would enable them to switch to video delivery via IP

    Which such provider exists today for Dish to begin to deploy tomorrow?

  109. Wide vs. narrow appeal programming by tepples · · Score: 1

    OTA TV is very careful to show only general interest programming intended for the broadest of audiences, so that advertisers alone are willing to pay the cost of producing high production value series. This isn't enough for narrower interest shows.

    1. Re:Wide vs. narrow appeal programming by PPH · · Score: 1

      Local OTA programming doesn't have that large an audience. And yet they seem to produce their own content.

      broadest of audiences,

      That's more a chacteristic of nationally syndicated programming. You can't sustain viewership across the country by doing pieces on the best places to shop in Seattle.

      Local broadcasters who are down on their luck financially seem to jettison their own produced programming and replace it with national shows. This leads me to believe that the fees (if any) that the nationals charge OTA broadcasters for content is pretty low. They want the eyeballs for their ads. But repeat the programming on cable and all of a sudden the content owners see another income stream and (thanks to Congress) they want to grab a piece of the pie.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
  110. Re:Get Out of Your Bubble by rmdingler · · Score: 1
    It is no more likely you'll see a completely impartial, human-dependent news source, than there is the chance you'll witness a government of people without some corruption.

    It's infinitely better to have folks from every belief set involved... rather than the interview with complimentary handjob that supporter reporters give a political ally.

    That way, all the people of differing political beliefs get cheated equally.

    --
    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

  111. Fox News Viewers ARE PAWNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anybody find their statement ironic?

  112. Re: In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

    Oh yes, I completely agree that you are correct. You have decimated my argument.

  113. Christmas miracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a Christmas miracle,,we don't have to watch these right nut licking communist whine and cry,,LMFAO!

  114. Re: Can't troll worth a shit, so wall of text? by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    Look, all this isn't remotely believable. You clearly compounded that account's massive spamming attempts by needlessly quoting obscenely huge chunks of his nonsense. He's a paid shill and so are you--no amount of verbose whining on your part could hide the role of spamming you were playing in that thread.

  115. Re: Can't troll worth a shit, so wall of text? by khayman80 · · Score: 1

    Look, all this isn't remotely believable. You clearly compounded that account's massive spamming attempts by needlessly quoting obscenely huge chunks of his nonsense. [Rujiel, 2014-12-28]

    Needlessly? How else should I debunk his baseless claim that I was "rude and insulting" when Jane/Lonny Eachus was actually just projecting his own obscene insults onto me? And if you have a better approach in mind, why not just suggest that better approach rather than repeatedly suggest that I kill myself?

    Are they hiring you losers while still in high school these days? The bar for paid oil trolls sure is a low one--any stupid thing to prevent the discussion of the oil cartel's impunity. Do the world a favor and kill yourself. [Rujiel, 2014-11-20]

    He's a paid shill and so are you--no amount of verbose whining on your part could hide the role of spamming you were playing in that thread. [Rujiel, 2014-12-28]

    Once again, Rujiel accuses me of being a paid oil shill. But once again, why would the oil industry pay me to debunk the same baseless accusations they're helping to spread? I've been debunking misinformation about climate from Jane/Lonny Eachus and many others for 5 years now. Again, why would the oil industry pay me to do that?

    ... Save our collective unconscious from your fevered ego--kill yourself. your net sum contribution to society is at a negative. [Rujiel, 2014-11-26]

    Really? Among other things, I've contributed open source software to estimate mass changes on the surface of the Earth using GRACE satellite data. Here's my dissertation which explains the methods. Does that count for anything, or should I kill myself?

    Your response is akin to someone who has just spent the last hour rolling in his own shit and flinging it at passers-by, standing up all at once and asking the surrounding crowd what's wrong. You're seriously so bad at this. Even your employer would be better off if you killed yourself. [Rujiel, 2014-11-30]

    I really don't understand why people like Jane/Lonny Eachus and Rujiel are filled with so much hatred. However, sociology research suggests that people are less likely to hurl abuse at people after seeing their faces. So here I am at JPL's open house explaining how our CO2 emissions are causing ice sheets to melt. And here's a clip from the Weather Channel where I explained (at 19m36s and 26m34s) how NASA measures these ice sheets from space.

    Rujiel, now that you've seen my face, do you still hate me so much that you still think I should kill myself? Or would you like to retract those odious statements?