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New submitter goose-incarnated writes I'm looking at cheap and simple home automation. Unfortunately I'm not too clued up on what my options are. There are such a wide array of choices, none of which seem (to me) to be either cheap or simple. I'd like to: Turn switches on/off (lights, wall sockets, general relays, etc); Read the status of on/off switches; Read analog samples (for example, temperature sensors); 'Program' switches based on analog samples/existing switches (for example, program a relay to come on at 30C and go off at 25C, thereby controlling the temperature); Similarly, program switches to go on/off at certain times; Record the samples of analog or digital inputs for a given time . I'd like to do the above using smartphone+bluetooth (for when I'm in the vicinity of the room), or smartdevice+WiFi (for when I'm in the house, somewhere), or even in a pinch, using HTTP to access a server at home from 600km away (which is what I'm willing to do). I'm definitely not willing to stream all my requests/data/responses through a third-party so third party cloud subscription solutions, even if free, are out of the question. Finally (because I know the Slashdot crowd likes a challenge :-)), I'd like something that is easily reprogrammable without having to compile code, then reflash a device, etc. What languages for embedded devices exist for home automation programming, if any. A quick google search reveals nothing specially made for end-users to reprogram their devices, but, like I said above, I'm clueless about options.

189 comments

  1. Insteon by Anrego · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'd recommend looking at Insteon. It is the closest to what you are looking for off the top of my head.

    If you want to avoid going through some service they own/control, you might need to roll your own management system, but as far as cheap devices you can control programatically I think they're probably what you want.

    I'd like something that is easily reprogrammable without having to compile code, then reflash a device, etc.

    Architecturally you probably want the devices to be dumb. They can report information or accept commands. Leave any logic to some kind of centralized controller.

    Bonus note: avoid x10 (if it's still even around). It's dirt cheap but pretty much the shittiest system out there. I lost much sanity to it back in the day.

    Personally I did the x10 thing back in the day using at first an ocelot controller and then eventually my own hacked together system using the ocelot as a modem. The shittiness of x10 aside, I grew bored with it fairly quickly. It's all fun and has a neat "house of the future" feel, but I didn't find a great deal of utility in it, and what utility there was is already covered by purpose specific devices (smart thermostats, etc).

    1. Re:Insteon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crestron and AMX are big names. There are some others, like Extron creeping in (from the home theater side).

    2. Re:Insteon by OSSMKitty · · Score: 1

      I second the Insteon vote. I used a selection of Insteon devices plus the ISY994i (https://www.universal-devices.com/residential/isy994i-series/) to do much of what the OP asked about. In addition to all the typical benefits of home automation like one-touch lighting scenes and the like (most of which is doable with bare Insteon), the ISY-994i is both programmable itself (through a simple event-based GUI language) and offers a REST (and SOAP) API for remote control through your language of choice. If the Insteon controls and sensors are not enough for you, the ISY can also communicate over Z-Wave or Zigbee. The convenience and security applications are limited only by your imagination (and budget).

    3. Re:Insteon by jonsmirl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Insteon is the most cost effective solution. http://www.smarthome.com/
      Second place is Zwave. Check out Open Zwave http://www.openzwave.com/

      The rest are twice the price of these two. Control4 even quoted me $270,000 to automate my house. That ridiculous quote went right into the trash can. I have a large Insteon system that costs less than 1/10th of that Control4 quote.

      Insteon is not 100% reliable, it is about 98% reliable. So sometimes when you turn things off/on you have to do it twice. I have also had many units fail over the years but the newer ones seem to be lasting longer.

    4. Re:Insteon by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

      At this point, Insteon's cost isn't much lower than Z-Wave which is much more flexible/modern.

      I personally have a Vera Lite - it's a great device with built-in Z-Wave, but for the "hacker enthusiast" types, a group of people has created an alternative ecosystem of devices that use nRF24L01 radios for communications to do whatever you want.

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    5. Re:Insteon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did X-10 back in the day - and was absolutely turned off by the short lifetime of so many of their components.... however, the 220VAC relay wall switch and the LED clock controller proved (by accident, perhaps) to be bulletproof and ran for years and years. It was very nice to have the AC in my house come on at 4pm so I could come home to a cool house, without having to pay for cooling the house all day long.

      All the fancier, more intricate stuff they sold me was essentially useless, mostly because it broke within about 6-12 months after installation.

    6. Re: Insteon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ETC Paradigm

    7. Re:Insteon by plover · · Score: 2

      I also have a Vera (the older Vera 2) and highly recommend it. No cloud server needed, although you can optionally set your Vera up to communicate with their servers for free, if you want. (If you don't want, you can set up a VPN to access it from outside the home.)

      It's built on OpenWRT, and has a robust community building support for all kinds of devices. It's primarily a Z-wave controller, but it can talk to Insteon systems if you buy the appropriate hardware.

      I'd recommend getting whatever the big version is, instead of the Lite version. My Vera 2 is running out of horsepower, and I don't have all that many devices.

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    8. Re:Insteon by internerdj · · Score: 1

      I'm wanting to build my automation system over time. I've been wondering what is the best hub to take advantage of discounts in hardware. Does anybody's hub do everything, and if it does is it a piece of crap because it is trying to do too much? Am I just better off waiting and rewiring everything (from manual control) in a unified standard when I've saved a pot of money for automation?

    9. Re:Insteon by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2

      Using a mix of zwave, nrf based mysesnors, and some x10. Vera is pretty user friendly to start up and you can use it as a modem later as it's logic is pretty weak without addons.

      Zwave is great for things going into wall boxes, the logistics of getting a DIY box make it prohibitive. When you can get a dimmer for 35 ready made it's hard to put something together at that price point.

      nRF bits great for sensors and more complex bits, putting together a custom device is easy and cheap.

      x10 it lacks 2 way communications being required and it's error handling sucks. I had a lot of them from 15+ years back they work and I've yet to have any issues with them.

      So pretty much for standard things zwave just works and looks good. nRF comes into play for custom things one off clock, switches, temp, humidity, usb charger, battery fallback, alarm, and general LCD display for the wife, controlling a rgbw strip lighting (there is a zwave option for this now), interfacing with DMX (half a universe at a time or nearly so).

      ZWave as in sigma designs they seem to be trying to reign in control over zwave as it gets more and more popular and that is worry some to me.

      ESP8266 is a new interesting chip at sub $4 for a module it's got wifi and a 32bit proc, so it has some nice features like a working known security model it's also got a full IP stack with all those risks. The plus side a lot more CPU umph and can piggyback on an existing network.

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    10. Re: Insteon by Space · · Score: 2

      I have a veralite. the community at forum.micasaverdce.com is why I chose the veralite. The manufacturer doesn't communicate very well but the community more than makes up for it. the device native talks z-wave but with plugins can talk to many wifi and ethernet devices including most ip cameras and with hardware addons can talk insteon, x10, infrared, and some other rf protocols.

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    11. Re:Insteon by cyborg_monkey · · Score: 0

      and $27k isn't ridiculous?

    12. Re:Insteon by Foo2rama · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the exact same thing!

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    13. Re:Insteon by QuasiEvil · · Score: 2

      My lighting system is all Insteon based. Even if it is proprietary (ugh), it does actually work as advertised. Everything except the Keypadlincs has been bulletproof, but some of the earlier KPLs have been less than reliable. Due to recent power spikes, I've lost the last of them, and the new 7.x models seem to be lasting without issue. Do not try to manage any Insteon network of decent size without an ISY994, however. You'll go mad. Plus, the ISY provides an easy way to script behaviours.

      The rest of the house is controlled and monitored through small embedded computers tied to cameras, temp/humidity sensors, or other hardware via USB/Arduino/etc. I say "small embedded computers" because the old ones are hacked Dockstars, but as those die (and they do), they've been replaced with Raspberry Pis. The children all call back to a main control computer every 10-15 seconds, uploading an image and telemetry data via scp/ssh. That main computer then makes it accessible to the world via a mass of PHP.

    14. Re:Insteon by jonsmirl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have about 20 dead Keypadlincs. Every one from my initial install has died. I tried arguing with them about replacements but they wouldn't do anything. That's $1,600 of dead units so it was not insignificant. The replacement ones I bought seem to be working. All of the old ones died in exactly the same way - buzzing from the power supply. Something was obviously wrong in their design. I would have been happy even if they had traded me two for one on new units but they offered nothing.

    15. Re:Insteon by plover · · Score: 3, Informative

      The choice of protocol is going to be your first decision. I picked Z-wave because there are many different manufacturers and a wide variety of devices. Every so often, someone will have devices on clearance or closeout. And you can find them in lots of places: Home Depot, Staples, and a wide variety of online merchants carry them. If you go with a more proprietary system like Insteon, you'll pay more per device and be more locked in.

      The hub cost should be less important to you than the per-device cost. You need to buy only one hub, but you'll end up buying a lot of devices. Be prepared to pay about $40/device (list), or $10-20/device (clearance).

      Unlike the protocol, the controller isn't something you have to be stuck with forever. You can upgrade them. Z-wave controllers are available in a USB stick form factor, which means you can build a home controller out of any computer you want. I chose to buy a Vera because I wanted an open system that didn't have a monthly fee, and I wanted the whole controller as a turnkey system. The Vera has a really good UI and a lot of mobile phone clients that connect to it, but there are several other Z-wave controller options, including HomeGenie (completely open source, designed around a small platform like the RasPi or the Beagle Board), and OpenHAB (platform agnostic Java, completely open source, but very weak UI.)

      People have recently started rooting the Wink, which is a really cheap controller with a lot of connectivity options (including Z-wave), but it's not an open source device. And the Staples Connect Hub (made for them by D-Link) has lots of connectivity options for only $49. My Vera2 is currently at the limits of capacity for all my devices, so I'm considering options besides migrating to their Vera 3, including building my own HomeGenie system. The Vera 3 is about $299, but I think I could build a very capable HomeGenie box for under $100.

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    16. Re:Insteon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      so that's "less than $27,000" to automate your house. that's just more than a little stupid if it's anything actually close to that amount. i hope you meant to say less than 1/1000th the price, and not 1/10th the price.

    17. Re:Insteon by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      I use Insteon at home as well. Budget $75 per control point, and $500 for the controller. I use the ISY controller, and it is a piece of junk, but it does the job. There isn't the variety of sensors, switches, devices, and accessories I wish there was, some older devices are a pain with low-power loads, and the plug-in devices are generally a pain in the ass. Programming is clunky, but not that hard.

      I still haven't put it into our vacation home, holding out for something better. Two years later, still no progress...

      My biggest complaint is that it is hard to "extend" Insteon. I wish I could integrate with Sonos, and I wish I had a simpler way to do a password-free web interface. (Hard, not impossible if you really want to work for it...)

    18. Re:Insteon by jonsmirl · · Score: 1

      The ISY has an HTTP interface. That is how you extend it.

    19. Re:Insteon by HalimaAhmad · · Score: 1

      Central control means nothing. X10 is completely insecure. Your power line is a shared bus. I had to coordinate with my neighbor to use different X10 channels, because we kept turning each other's stuff on and off. Anyone can just plug in a controller, and every X10 house downstream of the step down transformer will see the signals and respond. At one point I had a sniffer/sweeper running to debug the damn problem and that's when I got my neighbor's attention cause his house went bonkers when I swept the A channel. He moved to B and all was well after that. But still very insecure. Free download full version software&game click to this link: http://softwarescollectionawes...

    20. Re:Insteon by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      Same reason I went with Z-Wave.

      In theory, ZigBee is a more "open" standard, but... It's too open. ZigBee HA has pretty much no interoperability guarantees.

      For example, ZigBee Lighting Link (ZLL) is standardized - but there are lots of examples of ZLL devices that won't talk to each other. Hue hubs won't talk to Greenwave bulbs, Greenwave hubs won't talk to Hue bulbs, despite all devices being ZLL certified devices.

      Note that Vera has a fairly robust plugin mechanism, so it's possible to add support for stuff not built in using either USB devices or network connections. Vera can't talk directly to any of the ZLL bulbs mentioned above, but there are Hue and Greenwave/TCP Lighting (horrible name to have your lighting company share an acronym with a widespread transport protocol...) plugins that will talk to the hubs to command the bulbs.

      I can click one button on my phone and have:
      1) My thermostat (Z-Wave) temperature setting change
      2) A bunch of Z-Wave lights turn on at various brightnesses
      3) My Hue bulbs change brightness and color
      4) My Greenwave bulbs turn on/off at various brightnesses

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  2. check out ECS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    check out the home/industrial automation program ECS at www.omnipotencesoftware.com. It will do almost all of what you're describing, and "talk" to a huge list of devices. You can even download a full working version that will work for 30 days.

  3. Bah ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bah, do what people have been doing for centuries ... have kids and make them get up and do it.

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    1. Re:Bah ... by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Funny

      Total cost of ownership is way too high nowadays. And they've even taken away the "ownership" part. If you read the TOS it's scary as hell. You just can't whip them anymore.

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    2. Re: Bah ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or have kids so they can buy a raspberry pi and script that to do it. Please tell them to be careful with exposed 240v wiring though, but the soldering iron will probably be OK. Try not to let them get obsessed by writing *everything* in python. :-)

    3. Re:Bah ... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bah, do what people have been doing for centuries ... have kids and make them get up and do it.

      When my kids stayed with their grandparents for a month, my electric bill dropped by more than half. You are delusional if you think kids will make your home more efficient.

    4. Re:Bah ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      He said he wanted cheap home automation.

      Sounds like he's already willing to spend far more than it will save him, so clearly efficiency is not a constraint. :-P

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    5. Re:Bah ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      HEAD!! Pants!! Now!!

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    6. Re:Bah ... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Bah, do what people have been doing for centuries ... have kids and make them get up and do it.

      When my kids stayed with their grandparents for a month, my electric bill dropped by more than half. You are delusional if you think kids will make your home more efficient.

      Really? Because nothing you said supports that notion - because it's inevitable that having fewer people in a house will lead to lower energy consumption regardless of total efficiency. (Fewer loads of laundry, less hot water consumption, rooms unused, etc...)

    7. Re:Bah ... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Bah, do what people have been doing for centuries ... have kids and make them get up and do it.

      So.. Where do you find the OWNER'S MANUAL for kids? I've searched and beyond the "What to Expect..." series of books written by someone who OBVIOUSLY hadn't seen my two kids, there isn't much out there that seems authoritative on the subject.

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    8. Re:Bah ... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      having fewer people in a house will lead to lower energy consumption

      More than half of most household use is "base load" that does vary with the number of occupants. Lighting of common area, A/C, etc. The power consumed by a refrigerator will go up as more people open and close it, but most of it is just keeping the contents cool through the day. A hot water heater will use more energy as more people take showers and do laundry, but much of it is just maintaining the temperature in the tank. If the number of occupants drops from 4 to 2, the energy consumption should drop by about 25%. Since mine dropped by over 50%, that is pretty clear evidence that my kids were consuming a disproportionate share of the energy.

    9. Re:Bah ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet if the adults leave the kids stay, you'd use EVEN LESS.

    10. Re:Bah ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      So.. Where do you find the OWNER'S MANUAL for kids?

      Well, think of it like open source. A few people have taken a stab at a manual, but they don't mention any of the problems you mention, and it's grossly out of date. You can look on the internet, but the support forums aren't very helpful and often contradictory. And there's always a guy telling you to switch to the stuff they use.

      In the end, you give up on the whole thing.

      My advise, release them into the wild, and let them go feral. ;-)

      Of course, I'm pretty sure I'm the last person you want to take parenting advise from.

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    11. Re:Bah ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone gave me this before our son was born.

      http://www.amazon.com/Baby-Owners-Manual-Instructions-Trouble-Shooting/dp/1594745978/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420829167&sr=8-1&keywords=baby+instruction+manual

    12. Re:Bah ... by Ravaldy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It cost $4.00 per year to keep a LED bulb (60 watts equivalent) on 100% of the time at 15 cents per KW/h. It would take over 10 years to pay for a switch to cover the cost. Add to this the cost of running the system as a whole and you are heavily into negative savings.

      Most of the cost of having kids live with you comes from:
      - laundry
      - electronics
      - curling irons and hair driers
      - long showers
      - cooking for more people

      You can't reduce the laundry cost unless you get better equipment or manage laundry loads better
      You can already optimize electronics power consumption by using the built in energy saving methods
      You can try to educate the kids to control the length of their showers
      Cooking has to continue so that cost will remain the same.

      More people in a house hold equals more electricity and water usage. You can't avoid that.

      In my opinion automation systems are really good for the following:
      - T-Stat control (such as the Nexus) can reduce your heating/cooling bill significantly
      - Oven outlet (in case you forget it on). This is both a cost saving and possibly a life saving since a large percentage of household fires are caused by ovens left on

      Anything else I can think is more of a luxury such as auto ambience control, blinds...

      My 2 cents.

    13. Re:Bah ... by johnmat · · Score: 1

      Your math is way off. Your LED bulb will cost you almost $80 per year, paying for a smarter switch very quickly. 0.06 x 24 x 365 = 525.6 KWH, $78.84 worth at a cheap 15c

    14. Re:Bah ... by johnmat · · Score: 2

      Oops. My math is way off. I assumed 60W sorry. Call it 8W for a 60W replacement LED, so better math: 0.008 x 24 x 365 x 0.15 = $10.51

    15. Re:Bah ... by Sandman1971 · · Score: 1

      Must not live in Ontario, Canada, where 90% of the electricity bill is distribution fees, taxes, debt retirement and other fees which are pretty static. Only 10% is actual usage cost.

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    16. Re:Bah ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd argue that the proprietary books are even worse. At least the open source versions have multiple contributors - the proprietary crap assumes every child is the same because it worked for the author's children...

    17. Re:Bah ... by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Must not live in Ontario, Canada, where 90% of the electricity bill is distribution fees, taxes, debt retirement and other fees which are pretty static. Only 10% is actual usage cost.

      Well. You do live somewhere that has to cover the $0.80/kWh paid to homeowners with Solar operations feeding back to the grid. Here in another part of Canada, monthly fixed costs are $10.83/mth, and usage is $0.15/kWh. Total is taxed at GST only. Without paying for heat or hot water , my usage is $30/mth.

    18. Re:Bah ... by danknight48 · · Score: 1

      Bah, do what people have been doing for centuries ... have kids and make them get up and do it.

      I did the "have kids" part, but it cant even crawl yet!
      Misses will be pissed when i have to hire her services again.

      Light-hearted joke. Dont go all "omgwtfbbq sexism" on me lol

    19. Re:Bah ... by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      It's 3 watts which makes it $4. Even at 10 it's still a 5 year ROI not including the overhead of the system. A whole system would take longer than your mortgage to pay for. So unless you are doing it for luxury there is no point. A few months ago I was arguing the same with a fellow /. user and he pointed me to a link that showed how automation serves very little in the way of saving power.

    20. Re:Bah ... by johnmat · · Score: 1

      Where do you find a 3W LED that produces the 800 lumens of a 60W bulb? The ones I see are 8-12W.

    21. Re:Bah ... by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      My bad, 8 watt is correct. 3 watts was a 25 watt equivalent.

  4. OpenHAB + Insteon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been looking at the same issue, with much of the same concerns (3rd parties, cloud, etc). On my own I've come across openHAB [http://www.openhab.org/] for programming combined with Insteon [http://www.insteon.com/products/] products for the actual hardware. I've yet to experiment with this though.

  5. Cheapest maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately the cheapest option is to roll your own, though your time is obviously worth some $. But if you find it fun consider it a hobby.

    You can use cheap micros to hook into existing home alarm systems.

    X10 is a cheap way to control lights and sockets but can be unreliable and not whole house depending on wire run lengths and which phase the controller vs the x10 device is on.

    I rolled my own system that does 90%+ of what I want on a very cheap budget.

  6. you want easy? by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    best part of DIY is spending three hours troubleshooting why the lights don't turn off when you could have just walked to turn them off

    1. Re:you want easy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For proper graceful degradation of such systems one simply installs a failsaif: The Clapper.

    2. Re: you want easy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So true. Yet, I've found my Vera based setups to be quite stable and reliable once dialed in properly. I think the key is to be sure you really want and "need" to automate something before you commit the time and money it takes to set it up. So far I use 90% of my hardware and scenes on daily basis, going on a year stable now. It was painful but worth it.

    3. Re:you want easy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are well-tested solutions like Relaiskarte (http://www.ulrichradig.de/home/index.php/avr/usb-relaiskarte - in German, but finding the links is trivial) and UNC (http://www.unicontrollers.com/downloads - in Russian, ditto).

  7. OpenTRV and Open Energy Monitor by xplora1a · · Score: 0

    Firstly you need to measure what is going on, http://openenergymonitor.org/e... Then exert control over your home http://opentrv.org.uk/

  8. You are looking for a PLC by chipperdog · · Score: 1

    You need a PLC configured with the right I/O (relay in/out, analog in/out) with Ethernet and a common, open protocol like ModbusTCP... Automation Direct is a good supplier of these.
    Alternatively one could use "dumber" remote I/O devices like these

    1. Re:You are looking for a PLC by itzly · · Score: 1

      Doesn't fit the "cheap" criterion.

    2. Re:You are looking for a PLC by chipperdog · · Score: 1

      OK, turn your Raspberry Pi into a PLC ...After relay boards, etc., your a hundred or so $USD into it...

    3. Re:You are looking for a PLC by xtal · · Score: 1

      It's cheaper to get a modbus PLC by the time you add a case. As a bonus, the PLC has CSA and UL certifications, so when your house burns down, your insurance is still valid.

      China solved this problem. A few minutes of research will get you a USB adapter, and you can easily program whatever you want with python or direct commands from a shell prompt and a cron job to schedule if you want to be all oldschool about it.

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    4. Re:You are looking for a PLC by itzly · · Score: 1

      But if poster wants to wire the entire house. A single PLC isn't going to do the job, because you don't want to replace a light switch with a PLC that's 3 rooms away. You want something small that you can put in place of the old manual switch.

      As a bonus, the PLC has CSA and UL certifications, so when your house burns down, your insurance is still valid.

      Doesn't mean much if you wire it the wrong way.

    5. Re: You are looking for a PLC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DMX controllers, lighting gear, etc. is generally UL listed as well, and you can find all kinds of useful stuff: track light fixtures, software control, wall plugs, pre-made cords, Etc. Plus there is a good knowledge base out there in DMX Programming, targeted at average people not electrical engineers.

  9. what is your return on investment? by alen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    in NYC my electric bill is around $90 every month. breaks down to $25 for the electricity at $.095 per kilowatt hour, $55 for the wiring charge and the rest taxes and fees.

    why spend $1000 to save $5 a month in electricity costs? because if i reduce my usage by 20%, that's $5 whole dollars a month in savings

    1. Re:what is your return on investment? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      why spend $1000 to save $5 a month in electricity costs?

      Because he/she is a nerd. It is not about the money. It is about the technical challenge, and the ability to gain nerd cred by showing off an accomplishment to nerdy friends and co-workers. The advancement of civilization depends on people like this, who push the boundaries of technology, and drive down the costs for everyone else.

    2. Re:what is your return on investment? by DougOtto · · Score: 1

      So the utility company can ask for a rate hike because "people aren't using enough electricity...."

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    3. Re:what is your return on investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in a multi-room house, with a lot of people living in it, the numbers start shifting a bit. Bonus point if you're in boston and houses are made out of cardboard.

    4. Re:what is your return on investment? by brian.stinar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because it is cool. You're measuring ROI in United States Dollars, when you should be measuring it in United States Coolness Units.

      Seriously, this is the argument that people use on me with trying to convince me to buy a hybrid, or more fuel efficient vehicle. My car is horribly inefficient (seven seater SUV) but I either need something that big to haul around 4'x8' construction materials, I ride my bicycle, or I drive it like once a month out of town for a few hundred miles for work. It's entirely paid off, and the (relatively high for me) purchasing gasoline part of owning a car (unit cost per mile driven) is insignificant compared to the free/already paid for fixed costs of owning a car.

      An ex-girlfriend and I had this discussion, and eventually it came down to the don't you want a nicer car to drive around? argument. No, I don't want one, if I have to pay for it. Having a cool car isn't that important to me. I have a different girlfriend now...

      There is no financial, or logical, reason to automate a home to save electricity in your case, unless you want to be cool. If you want to show all your friends how "green" you're being (despite all the manufacturing, shipping, and other environmental costs used in producing the crap you're busy buying), write blog posts about your home automation project, take a bunch of pictures and post them to instagram, then it makes sense. OR If you plan on living in your apartment for more than 200 months (16 years) then you'd eventually break even on the project cost...

    5. Re:what is your return on investment? by alen · · Score: 1

      in my case i do have multiple rooms and two kids. so the ROI isn't there for me

    6. Re:what is your return on investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      roll your own

    7. Re:what is your return on investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed - you should be measuring it in United States Coolness Units.

    8. Re:what is your return on investment? by Fwipp · · Score: 1, Informative

      Unrelated, you can just say "Because they're a nerd" and avoid that awkward he/she construct.

    9. Re:what is your return on investment? by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      And they will. But it's harder for them to justify burning more coal and building more plants. And nothing increases costs faster than building more plants.

    10. Re:what is your return on investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be pedantic. Either way is acceptable.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-specific_and_gender-neutral_pronouns

    11. Re:what is your return on investment? by plover · · Score: 2

      Sorry to deliver the bad news, but home automation systems will never contribute more than about 100 milliFonzies to your Coolness score. There is very little cred amongst most people about having an automated home; only the nerds seem to care, and the Nerd Equivalent Factor of .1 means that even if your home automation system rated a full Fonzie, the owner simply cannot be that cool.

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    12. Re:what is your return on investment? by brian.stinar · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I should have been using the established coolness unit of a Fonzie.

    13. Re:what is your return on investment? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      you should be measuring it in United States Coolness Units.

      I live in Canada, you insensitive clod!

    14. Re:what is your return on investment? by Zordak · · Score: 2

      Sorry to deliver the bad news, but home automation systems will never contribute more than about 100 milliFonzies to your Coolness score. There is very little cred amongst most people about having an automated home; only the nerds seem to care, and the Nerd Equivalent Factor of .1 means that even if your home automation system rated a full Fonzie, the owner simply cannot be that cool.

      Sure, if you're an SI purist. But everybody knows that in an insulated nerd environment, you can normalize to teraSpocks, which have a much greater Apparent Coolness in context.

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    15. Re:what is your return on investment? by QuasiEvil · · Score: 1

      But it's nerd girls I'm trying to impress, you insensitive clod!

    16. Re:what is your return on investment? by brian.stinar · · Score: 1

      That's OK, the conversion is really easy. 1 USCU = 10,000 CCU. Canada's central bank hasn't gone crazy lately with printing of the Canadian Coolness Units, and the dip in crude hasn't seemed to impact it yet, so I think that it's still 10,000-to-one.

      Again though, I recommend using the SI Coolness Unit - the Fonzie.

    17. Re:what is your return on investment? by plover · · Score: 1

      And if you're using the Klingon Imperial System (and not the derivative Romulan Empire units,) he would be even 20% cooler.

      But once you try to convert back into SI, you're still never going to exceed the threshold by which you won't get beat up for your lunch money. Maybe not quite as much of a beating as the guy with the fez and the bow-tie, but still, the gymnasium locker room exchange rate is abysmal.

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    18. Re:what is your return on investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give it a rest !

    19. Re: what is your return on investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said anything about saving electricity? I thought this was about wiring your house to get it to do cool things and respond to your programming/commands/input.

    20. Re:what is your return on investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to show all your friends how "green" you're being

      It never occured to me this would have anything to do with being green... or saving money. The reason I want to automate my house is because I want to turn off the lights from bed. Or if I fall asleep on the couch, it figures it out and shuts stuff down so I sleep better. Or when my arms are full as a carry a thing of laundry around.

      Basically, the coolness comes from living a more Star Trek life.

    21. Re:what is your return on investment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's more to home automation than money saving.

      Security is another important issue. I have a system which automatically closes my curtains and switches on the lights at dusk, so my house looks occupied whether or not I'm actually there. Then it switches the lights off at a semi-random time about midnight to give the impression I'm in the house and going to bed. It also switches on a radio if I'm out of the house between 10am and about midnight to make the house *sound* occupied (the midnight switch-off is so the noise doesn't piss off my neighbours).

    22. Re:what is your return on investment? by JimFive · · Score: 1

      You realise that leaving all your lights off and letting your neighbors know you're gone is more secure, right? If a light comes on then your neighbors know there is something wrong. With automatic lights your neighbors just ignore it.

      (This, of course, assumes that you trust your neighbors.)
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  10. check out ECS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out the industrial/home automation program ECS at www.omnipotencesoftware.com. It will do almost all of what you list.

  11. Raspberry Pi/Arduino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You could look at maybe getting a Raspberry Pi and/or an Arduino board. There a quite a few 'home automation' tutorials/youtube videos out there on the subject with specific examples for door locks, motion sensors, temperature/humidity monitoring, automatic lighting, etc... This would most likely give you the most custom and cheapest option but requires building everything yourself, including the code if you can't find a working example.

    1. Re:Raspberry Pi/Arduino by shadowrat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i build my own stuff around my raspberry pi. i've got motion detection, temperature sensors, lights, garage doors, plant irrigators. it's all fun, but be prepared to spend a lot of time. If you are making this yourself, you are taking up electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, software engineering, carpentry, plumbing, electrical work, running to home depot. Everytime i do a project i tell myself, next time i'm just buying something.

      then i come back and do another.

      just be realistic about what you want. do you want good home automation? or do you want to putz about with computers and components? (for me, it seems to be the later)

    2. Re:Raspberry Pi/Arduino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, too, have been putzing around doing it myself with the Raspberry Pi. It's been a great lesson in electrical engineering and software engineering. I haven't done anything with plumbing, and I'm already well-versed with electrical work and network cabling, but I can see how you could easily add those in. If the direct education from doing the project isn't worth much to you, and you put a pricetag on your time, even a low one, then this is probably the most expensive route to go. If the education and side-hobby aspect IS worth something to you, or you don't place a value on your free time, then this might be the best choice for you.

      There is a lot of code out there, and a lot of tutorials, but those all turn out to be only a STARTING point, not an end product. No matter what you find, you WILL want to add more yourself. You'll also find plenty of incredibly inexpensive hardware on Ebay which you'll want to play with. Just remember to allow a 6-week lead time if it's shipping from China.

      On the up side, you will get that awesome education, and if you're persistent with upgrading pieces of your system, you will get the most customized automation system possible? Want the light to come on automatically when you're standing by your washing machine? There are at least 3 ways that I can think of to do it right now; pick the one that's best for you (PIR sensor, ping/distance sensor, or pressure sensor in a floor mat. There are probably several more choices too.)

    3. Re:Raspberry Pi/Arduino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats because you do not rely on others for features and you realize if you want better, you do it yourself. I love my rPi to be dreadfully honest. The amount I have used it in the past 2 weeks has already paid for itself multiple times over with just using broken electronics around the house (motor from a fan, LED's, buttons, with IR receive and Transmitter. The rPi is phenomenal!

    4. Re:Raspberry Pi/Arduino by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      plumbing, as it turns out, is kind of a tricky beast. with all the plumbing analogies in EE, i figured, it's just like making a circuit. in practice, leaks and pressure are far from their electrical counterparts. it's not like your power supply delivers 3.3v if it's below the breadboard, or 9v if it's 2 feet above the breadboard.

  12. Pick One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pick one, or two at most:
    1. Cheap
    2. Simple
    3. Interoperable
    A practical system should be above all interoperable like WiFi and Bluetooth above all things. Most of the cheap and/or simple systems work as silos and cannot interoporate. Even psuedo-open systems like ZigBee HA. The dominant vendor behind the committee added extensibility open and then added extensions to their systems as for not letting you buy Zigbee sensors from other brands. They even invented Zigbee HA Pro for commercial buildings, but then launched expensive Zigbee Pro devices with their system, again to make interoperability more difficult.
    Another example is the Nest Protect. It is not compatible with the 2/4 wire standard used by most UL Certified Burglar/Fire alarm panels. This happens when yuppie engineers enter an industry that they don't know.
    Still, remember that remove control is only a tiny part of Home Automation. Being able to turn on a light with my phone is not Home Automation, that is remote control. Automation requires a rules engine evaluating conditions and taking actions continuously. It is simple to program a few demo/toy rules, but as your scale grows to practicality it can become really complex.

    1. Re: Pick One by elcano · · Score: 1

      This. If your budget is restricted you want your investment to last. If your solution is not interoperable you will have to throw it away each time that you add a critical component that is not compatible with your old technology. You want something that grows with you. Also, you are better asking at a home automation forum like cocoontech. Com

    2. Re: Pick One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look up DMX. It's been around a while, and it works, and the gear is interoperable across brands, etc. Not primarily targeted at home automation, but so what as long as it's compatible with electrical codes and won't impact your home insurance.

  13. Arduinos and MCUs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    All this is dirt cheap to do yourself if you're able and willing to spend some time to do it.

    You can source Arduino Uno clones from China/eBay for as low as ~$4 apiece. A reed switch for a window/door sensor is ~$1-2, a Wifi module (ESP8266) ~$3.

    You don't have to start from scratch putting everything together, there's plenty of schematics and code online to start you off (and complete projects).

    You can get yourself a VPS to coordinate everything online, starting from $3/YEAR for a IPv4 NAT IP. Check out http://lowendspirit.com/

    1. Re:Arduinos and MCUs by Anrego · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's important to consider house insurance when doing this kind of hackery.

      If your house catches fire and they dig a charred bundle of relays and a rasp pi rigged up to your mains you might have some explaining to do.

      Sensors are one thing, but as soon as you go to actually control mains voltage, I think you are truly better off going for something more "mainstream".

    2. Re:Arduinos and MCUs by bobbied · · Score: 1
      Ah.. UL Listing isn't all that....

      Very good point. Switching line voltage loads is the kind of thing that kills, catches fire and otherwise takes a "cheap" project and makes it into an expensive life changing event...

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    3. Re:Arduinos and MCUs by langelgjm · · Score: 2

      Some of the ideas seem like they could be solved by off the shelf hardware. Switching loads based on temperature? Buy a cheap programmable thermostat. If you want to monitor an AC load, you can use your preferred microcontroller along with an opto-coupler. I just did this, using an opto-coupler to monitor my programmable thermostat's relay and report a logic level to a Raspberry Pi, which then logs when the relay is closed (and thus the heat running) versus open (heat off). You can get opto-couplers that include built-in rectifiers, allowing you to work with AC voltages, but of course you need to understand what you are doing to avoid danger.

      I used an Electric Imp, which is a WiFi-enabled microcontroller, hooked up to a digital temperature sensor and a photoresistor, as an outdoor temperature/daylight logger. Electric Imp is a hosted solution, which is not ideal - unless someone else reverse engineers the protocol and builds their own server, when the hosted service disappears, it'll be worthless, but it was very easy to use. Here's a graph of the output.

      Cost becomes an issue. WiFi connectivity is expensive. Cheapest I think you can do is about $25 - that's what an Electric IMP costs (not including a breakout board), or a Raspberry Pi A+ if you throw in a $5 WiFi USB dongle. So you're looking at a minimum of $25 for each WiFi enabled device (and neither of those are ideal - Imp is hosted and lacks much GPIO, PI is large, delicate, and lacks some basic microcontroller features). That's not very affordable, especially if you're used to throwing a $3 Atmel chip in your devices.

      My thinking going forward is to couple Arduinos with relatively inexpensive RF transceivers that work in the ISM band, and simply use one WiFi device (like the Pi) as a base station that can talk to all the other devices. That will bring the cost-per-unit down to maybe $15.

      Note that you will be spending a LOT of time on each project. And you will almost certainly spend far more money than you will ever save. But we do it for fun, not for efficiency!

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    4. Re:Arduinos and MCUs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous OP here.

      Yes, stay off the mains. A possibility for switching your wall sockets is to get a couple of those ubiquitous RF 315/433 MHz switches that come with a remote control (usually ~$3-4 apiece). They transmit a simple recurring ASK/OOK encoded radio signal, check out RFremote at github for an existing Arduino library. An Arduino transmitter will cost you ~$1-2 on eBay. You can throw the remote control in the bin.

    5. Re:Arduinos and MCUs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are lots of rated, but dumb and cheap relays for switching mains voltage at household currents. They just need a 5 or 12 volt signal to open and close, and you can concentrate on making the brains however you want, without worrying about rigging some half-assed mains voltage components.

    6. Re:Arduinos and MCUs by I4ko · · Score: 1

      It's dirt cheap if you move to Belize and hire a buttler/majordomo and it bets your Arduino ten times.

    7. Re:Arduinos and MCUs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you should check out the ESP8266. Wifi and programmable. Boards are less than $10.

  14. Opening ones home to the Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mobile phones are not secure and should never be connected to your bank account, your home nor anything you don't want made public when you lose it or pick up malware. Last year 12k phones and tablets were found _each month_ in LA buses, taxis and public places. Just sayin...

  15. try incontrol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try incontrol: https://www.incontrolha.com . It supports direct/cloud connections. No subscriptions. When combined with eventghost & Tasker you can do some pretty powerful things.

  16. temperature control by itzly · · Score: 1

    program a relay to come on at 30C and go off at 25C, thereby controlling the temperature

    With such a huge swing, I wouldn't say that was "controlling" the temperature very much. A good thermostat will keep your room to within a degree, and avoids over/undershoot by using a more sophisticated algorithm than just bang-bang control.

    1. Re:temperature control by show+me+altoids · · Score: 1

      Also, you have to be careful with the algorithms you use for a thermostat. As an example, you don't want something that will allow switching off your A/C and then switching it back on in 10 seconds. You can ruin a compressor (relatively expensive hardware) like that.

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    2. Re:temperature control by by+(1706743) · · Score: 1

      Yeah, looks like a PID controller would be more appropriate.

    3. Re:temperature control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you just need a bang-bang controller.

    4. Re:temperature control by itzly · · Score: 1

      Ideally, the A/C and the thermostat would work together to provide optimal temperature control within the cycling limitations of the A/C.

    5. Re:temperature control by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I don't know about where you live ... but I pretty much never need to cycle from heating to cooling in the same day.

      Freezing cold in the winter, hot in the summer.

      Seems kind of pointless to pay to warm up air and then pay to cool it back down again.

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    6. Re:temperature control by itzly · · Score: 1

      I never mentioned heating.

    7. Re:temperature control by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Doh, reading comprehension fail ... should have had that second cup of coffee. :-P

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    8. Re:temperature control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in the bay area and there are weeks (almost a full month, sometimes) where I would need AC in the evening and heat in the morning. not kidding! its strange, but its like that around here.

  17. ZigBee + Z-Wave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy a ZigBee + Z-Wave hub (I have one from SmartThings) and then buy some switches, sensors, smart locks, etc.

    I did this, it works great.

  18. beaglebone + python + rs485 cape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There's all kinds of open source home power management and home automation tools popping up all over the place. [openmotics comes to mind] I'd just steer away from anything written in java.
    adafruit has almost everything you'd need to get going. The python serial communications libs are widely supported across nearly every OS in existence and they are easy to use and dynamic [no recompiling for user]

  19. Time/Money by Dmritard96 · · Score: 1

    If you have lots of time and virtually no capitol, maybe you could end up saving a few hundred bucks by hosting with a raspi, getting a static IP (and maybe even DNS entry if fancy), using atmegas (with requisite ancillary circuitry), relays from radio shack, custom dsp on sensors, your own home grown datastructures (and database), etc ad nausuem. And dont forget it will probably be dangerous and ugly. I wrote a little program that can do a handful of your requirements and be hosted on a raspi. I used x10 for lights because 'socket rockets' can be obtained for under 10 a piece, and infrared+arduino for tvs, window shakers etc. https://github.com/dandroid88/.... It has the scheduling requirements and is pretty easy to write an extension for if you are looking for something fun. Alternatively, you could drop $400 bucks or less and get everything set up in a couple days at most without paying for a monthly subscription with Wink/Smartthings/etc. Its simply time/money

  20. Rockwell Automation has the solution for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1756-L32
    1756-ie8
    1756-ia16
    1756-ow32

    Ifm temp sensors

  21. Insteon + ISY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best options for fast and easy to use with no third parties that I have found are:

    https://www.universal-devices.com/residential/isy994i-series/
    http://www.smarthome.com/sc-what-is-insteon
    http://www.brultech.com/products/ECM1240/default.htm
    http://mobilinc.com/

    All of this is *not* cheap but it will du all of what you want and more. Simple relays controlled by a Pi or similar would have a much higher level of effort.

    I haven't reviewed too much of the HomeKit or other offerings from Lutron, ZWave, etc.

    1. Re:Insteon + ISY by jonsmirl · · Score: 1

      I have this same setup and it works fine.

  22. k.i.s.s. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    programmable set-back thermostat to control temperature and reduce energy use by climate control when not at home

    a few clappers so you can turn on a light without moving your fat ass.

    a couple of basic ac outlet timers for lamps for when you're not at home

    programmable universal remote for a/v equipment

    a pair of slippers to keep your feet cozy when you get off your ass and flip a switch yourself when needed.

  23. Get ready for some work by bmomjian · · Score: 2

    The home automation landscape has options differentiated by bandwidth, price point, device compatibility, and software capability. Low bandwidth devices are cheap but lack reliability, e.g X10. Expensive devices are often limited in device compatibility, Leviton. Basically, to make it all work you have to get the devices you need, then decide on a way to connect them all to a central server that can access them --- then start programming. You can see my home automation presentations at http://momjian.us/main/present....

    The reason this is hard is that there is so much variety in what people want to automate. With a car, the manufacturer totally controls the environment, and when you buy a new car, everything is new. With home automation, the home automation provider rarely controls the entire environment, so implementing home automation always requires customization. I suppose the only easy option is to buy a new home and have the builder install everything from scratch with home automation designed from the start. However, that rarely happens because people rarely want home automation from the start, and even if you do that, the home automation landscape changes so frequently that it would soon be obsolete.

  24. What you're looking for... by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

    Is a woman. /misogyny

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    1. Re:What you're looking for... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      He said "cheap" you know.. Your idea is neither cheap nor is it easy to properly configure/train.

      Of course there *might* be some fringe benefits to your idea if you can find the right model...

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    2. Re:What you're looking for... by DriveDog · · Score: 2

      Many models don't function properly when installed in Mom's basement.

    3. Re:What you're looking for... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Many models don't function properly when installed in Mom's basement.

      I've never tried that exact configuration with mine (Model Wife SN 0001). But I had some short term success when I was forced to install in in-law's basement when moving with Child (Model Girl, SN 0001). Both remained functional for the 3 months it took to secure a more private basement of my own, even if I didn't far that well.

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  25. Vera: nice combo of hackability and ease of use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vera is great at automatically configuring z-wave devices and has an open API. You can create scripts in LUA, and can even run shell commands if you want to.

  26. Pick two.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Cheap, good, easy.

    You can't have all 3. If you want cheap, you are going to get crap.

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    1. Re:Pick two.... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Cheap, good, easy.

      You can't have all 3. If you want cheap, you are going to get crap.

      You said I could pick two.... I think that in reality, you only get one choice.

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      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    2. Re:Pick two.... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      cheap, easy: Those motion-activated light controllers that go in the light fixture above the bulb.
      cheap, good: Warm up the soldering iron and do it all yourself. May involve pulling cable and lots of assembling interface circuits on stripboard.
      good, easy: There are several expensive commercial solutions, starting with the Nest thermostat and getting more elaborate from there. CES was flooded with them.

    3. Re:Pick two.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nest and the likes are "not" on the good list.

      Go look up Crestron and AMX. Those are the only items on the "good" list for automation. Everything else is a steaming pile of poop compared to them.

  27. cheap alternatives by MikeTheRevolution · · Score: 1

    I'm in the process for rewiring my house and did some research. Zigbee and Z-Wave seem to offer best range of gadgets such as lamps and sensors, but they seem to be quite expensive (at least here in Finland), so I'm probably going to build my system with relays and dimmers from http://www.nexa.se/. They run on proprietary wireless protocol on 433MHz, but you can control them with a 3rd party usb transmitter: http://www.telldus.se/products.... The downside is that the gear running on 433MHz is unidirectional; you can't query the relays if they're on. The controller/gateway is going to be of my own design based on an Odroid C1 and Eclipse Kura or that's the plan anyway...

  28. Re:Insteon vs x10 by CAOgdin · · Score: 1

    Sure: Trade the insecure Insteon IoT for the impenetrable X10. I'm still using X10 around my house, but with no central controller that can be hijacked to send malicious signals to controlled devices.

    Until IoT has robust security, you may's well hang your unfirewalled computer directly on the Internet. IoT has the capability of burning your house down if you have the wrong devices installed.

  29. As Always by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    Cheap, easy, reliable.

    Pick 2.

    1. Re:As Always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fast

    2. Re:As Always by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Cheap, easy, reliable.

      Pick 2.

      I think in this case PICK ONE is more the truth.

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  30. Check out Ubiquiti Networks by Ewann · · Score: 1

    I use the Ubiquiti mFi mPower to control a lamp remotely. That's a very basic setup for this system, but it has been very reliable compared to other solutions I've used. There's an iPhone and Android app, and you run the server on a local machine, so there's no third party to go through. They also offer various sensors, such as a temperature sensor. I'm not sure if it's cheap enough, but otherwise I think it might meet your needs. www.ubnt.com

  31. Home Automation with Arduino & Pi using OpenHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out the Instructable:
    http://www.instructables.com/id/Uber-Home-Automation/

  32. Second Vote for Insteon by sparkyradar · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been happy, for several years now, with my Insteon setup. I think it will meet many of your needs:

    -For a central controller, I use the Universal Devices ISY-994i. This provides a web-interface for status, and quick toggle-controls, but it's also where I do my "programming"

    -if you buy and install an Insteon switch, it will "just work" as a regular switch - others in your home will have zero learning-curve.

    -they do have some universal I/O modules with dry contacts, etc. You may be able to work with these to perform your temperature monitoring and control, along with water-level detection, etc. See if it would work for you.

    And, here is a bit more "geek" for you to ponder:

    The Insteon signalling uses both a data-burst on the AC power-line, and also a radio-frequency data burst. Each device will repeat a burst (up to 3 hops only, or something like that) - in practise, I've found it really, really reliable. I started with just a controller and a couple of (AC-powerline-only) switches, but this required me to add a hardware phase-bridge, so data-bursts on one phase of my house-wiring could reach devices on the other phase. As I added more devices, especially more wireless devices, the mesh got better and better.

    The Insteon switches will require 3 wires in your switch-box:
    1) Hot wire. The Insteon switch will use a bit of power, as well this is what powers your light or other device(s). Typically it's a black wire.
    2) Load wire. This is what goes to your devices.
    3) Neutral wire. Typically this is white, and can sometimes be a problem. My older (1950's) home had all the hot-and-neutral wires run to the lights first, then a pair of wires ran down to the switches... this won't work :-( I renovated/re-wired my home such that all the wiring ran first to the switches, then up to the lights - you need this arrangement.

    Each Insteon switch is internally pretty cool: it's comprised of two parts:
    1) a switch part, that detects when you press the switch, and reports this data-event
    2) a responder part, which receives a data-event and closes the circuit (with relay, or whatever).

    So, you can actually have a single switch act to control several devices, if you want :-) In fact, Insteon contantly refers to "scenes" where you would do exactly that: press one single swtich to bring down your home-theater screen, close curtains, dim lights, etc. Personally, I don't use this feature

    The "programming" is not really very geeky: it's more just a set of conditions and actions, selected from drop-down dialogue boxes. That said, you can do some fun stuff, like:
    - change actions based on sunrise-sunset times (great for lighting)
    - use a motion-detector, which also contains an ambient-light sensor! I use one of these outside, to tailor my lighting to the Pacific Northwest's gray and dreary winter days.

    HTH,

    1. Re:Second Vote for Insteon by CozmicCharlie · · Score: 1

      I looked at Insteon when I began my HA project. The fact that you're stuck with a single vendor solution bothered me. Plus, when I went to their site I saw them selling all sorts of "questionable" technology. So I kept looking and finally settled on UPB as the protocol -- we have a farm and I want to be able to communciate with devices in some out-buildings, UPB's signal is a pulse-position modulated 40V spike on the trailing edge of the AC wave-form, which is a fairly stable place to put such a signal. I am able to control devices 300' away through 3 sub-panels without dificulties. (I do have 1 reverse phase coupler that links the two legs of the 240V AC, and will add 1 more this Spring to help boost communication between devices on opposite phases.) All of my hardware so far has been from Simply Automated [http://www.simply-automated.com/]. Their products are quite versitle, with interchangeable faceplates that allow you to tweak things like scenes and loads. They also have an amazing Tech Support department that has helped me solve multiple little issues. (Note, I'm not affiliated with SAI, other than being a satified customer.) My goal with the project has been more about being able to control lights and devices. There's been many nights where we look out at the barn only to see that the lights ad been left on. Getting dressed to run out in the snow for that sucks. Pushing a bedside button, not so much. We also have most of the devices set to turn "ON" to a reduced level--I calculated the extra usage of the smart switches and then reduced the max output such that my total load is the same. That combined with having lights left on far less often has made the electrical usage a wash. Though I do take pride in knowing that the devices' capacitive voltage divider power supplies are improving the power lines' Power Factor, ever so slightly.

  33. non RFI devices by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    All these gadgets are nice but many (i.e. high tech light switches) cause lot of RFI on my VHF and UHF radios. I cannot imagine what HF must endure, I don't have such at my place but I've heard a lot of gripes for HF users.

    --
    mfwright@batnet.com
  34. Belkin Wemo Switch by GallopingGreen · · Score: 2

    Use a Belkin Wemo switch: http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F...

    I've written a simple utility to switch them on / off based on serial number:

    See: https://github.com/d-w/toggle_...

    Works for me.

    Cheers,
    Dave

    PS: For extra points, wear & monitor a Neurosky EEG monitor: http://neurosky.com/products-m...
    Write a listener to recognise when you want the switch on (easy to recognise certain meditation patterns) and then use this to toggle the wemo switch closest.
    (I've done this - just not on Github ... yet)

  35. Ubiquiti mFi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would look into the Ubiquiti mFi equipment.

  36. Homeseer by jason777 · · Score: 1

    I'm using homeseer software. Its pretty good, and they have a program called hstouch that I run on the tablets that I customized for each room. I think it was like $300 for the pro version which included hstouch. Then, I'm using zwave wireless protocol for all my lighting modules, hvac, security, blind control, etc. I found zwave to be an extremely reliable protocol. Stay away from X10.

  37. Re:Insteon vs x10 by Anrego · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wouldn't trust either to control any device with actual destructive capability.

    X10 doesn't need a path to the internet. With such a primitive protocol all it takes is a dying fridge or UPS to make devices randomly turn on and off (this is actual experience talking).

  38. The Experimental Physics and Industrial Control System. It's commonly used on particle accelerators and will interface to anything. And it's open source. Runs on Linux, Window, OSX operating systems and all hardware including Raspberry Pi, Beagleboard, etc. http://www.aps.anl.gov/epics/i...

  39. OpenHAB and Vera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whilst it's probably a good idea to start with a single system that can do most of what you want, and has the hardware available off the shelf (Insteon, Z Wave, Zigbee being the main three), sooner or later you are going to want your system to talk to other products (Hue lighting, Nest thermostats, smart TV's etc); so make sure whatever you use as your main hub is expandable and has a strong community following. The two systems I've used are Vera (I'd recommend to get started) and OpenHAB (particularly if you want to mess around with the guts of the system).

  40. Good, cheap, reliable system by gruntled · · Score: 1

    I've been using Mi Casa Verde (now Vera) for three years. Most of the stuff I use is Z Wave based but the Vera (appears / is) capable of integrating anything but bluetooth (at least on the models I've worked with). Very reliable. Very easy to set up. Easy to program and capable of significant complexity. http://getvera.com/

    1. Re:Good, cheap, reliable system by plover · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the robust community that supports Vera. It's easy to create new devices, and people have. This is extremely helpful for devices that Vera can't reach via Z-wave or any other technology. For example, I installed a "device" that talks to the Craftsman AssureLink web service to find the status of my garage door (the AssureLink internet bridge talks only to their service, and I haven't yet found it to offer a locally accessible interface. Time to break out wireshark, I think.)

      There are also many "virtual devices" people have written to do all kinds of interesting things. One will monitor other devices, and fire an event when certain combinations of things are met. I have a virtual switch that pings our phones' local wifi IP addresses so the house knows when we're home. It can fire an event when our phones connect to our access point, or fire one when we've been out of range for 15 continual minutes, or whatever. Someone built an interface to Apple's locator service, so I could have the house know when I was approaching within 5 miles, but that had the unintended consequence of draining my iPhone's battery flat after about 6 hours - I uninstalled that one.

      --
      John
  41. Re:Insteon vs x10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Central control means nothing. X10 is completely insecure. Your power line is a shared bus. I had to coordinate with my neighbor to use different X10 channels, because we kept turning each other's stuff on and off. Anyone can just plug in a controller, and every X10 house downstream of the step down transformer will see the signals and respond. At one point I had a sniffer/sweeper running to debug the damn problem and that's when I got my neighbor's attention cause his house went bonkers when I swept the A channel. He moved to B and all was well after that. But still very insecure.

  42. Z Wave + RPI + HomeGenie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use Aeon Labs Z Wave USB controller and switches, on a Raspberry Pi running HomeGenie. I highly recommend it, you can't beat the price.

    USB controller: ~$40
    Raspberry Pi: ~$40
    HomeGenie: free
    Switch/outlet: ~$40

    Pair your Z Wave device to the USB controller, plug it into your Pi running HomeGenie, and you can instantly control it from any web browser on your network. A little more configuration and you can access it from anywhere in the world. Super reliable, super affordable.

  43. Re:Insteon vs x10 by DriveDog · · Score: 3, Informative

    X10 is lacking in many ways, and I still use some of it, but the biggest problem I've had was with durability. Many of the components were horribly made and just broke. Stanley, GE, Radio Shack, didn't matter. Old Sears parts lasted longer but still just died. I can't comment on how vulnerable the others are, but X10 is very vulnerableâ"from outside sockets and other units on the same transformer. North Koreans aren't going to hack your house from Pyongyang, but sneaky neighborhood kids can. I think you can filter the signals from the incoming power lines, but that's not commonly done. Also, you need to bridge the two incoming 110V legs so that X10 signals get across, otherwise parts of your house might not talk to other parts. Still, to play around a bit, there's no cheaper way than X10.

  44. Cheap and Simple: X10 by khoult · · Score: 1

    If you want cheap and simple, you could look at X10 and some program to control it like Homeseer. Homeseer can provide the web access and sequencing. X10 isn't the most reliable when spread all over the house and across both phases, but all contained in a limited number of feeds from the same phase of the fusebox, it's not bad. Also, it's not all that fast, but if you need nothing to react faster than around 5 seconds, it's fine.

    1. Re:Cheap and Simple: X10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just don't buy it from x10.com. We bought a couple of devices from them in 2007, and they're still sending several hundred spam messages per day to us. They've sent at least a quarter of a million email messages since our order. In addition to those messages, we even called their marketing person Heather Paulson (IIRC), and she had their server at Equinix dump so many millions of messages per day that our ISP disconnected us and stop serving DNS for our domain name. x10.com is evil.

  45. Tissue by argee · · Score: 1

    When the woman moved out, I discovered my toilet tissue usage went down to less than 10%.

    1. Re:Tissue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try installing Asian toilets to eliminate almost all of the rest. And don't forget the three sea shells.

    2. Re: Tissue by nickrao · · Score: 1

      This is quite an admission! You had better re-evaluate your personal hygiene. :-)

  46. Zwave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still in the planning phase for my own setup, but these are the base building blocks of my own setup:

    Hardware:
    Rasberry PI + RFXtrx433E + RazBerry

    Software:
    Domoticz

    This covers cheap, dumb 433 MHz devices with no feedback/2way comms (and which really should be avoided), ZWave devices (of which the selection appears to be increasing wildly), self-hosted server software (pre-compiled images for Raspberry provided), a scalable web UI (desktop and mobile) and multiple Android apps (unsure if 'native' or just a html5 'shell')

    I am a happy customer of https://www.tronika.no/en/ .
    Even if you don't shop there, it provides a great overview of available hardware for the DIY home automation crowd.

  47. I use Philips Hue + Belkin WeMos currently.. by fingon · · Score: 1

    and am looking at adding some sensors connected to Raspberry Pi GPIO. However, if you know how to program things, you do _not_ want them talking to mothership, so both my Hue and WeMos are on a separate wlan SSID which has no connectivity outside; instead, my OpenWrt router runs Python-based daemon ( https://github.com/fingon/kodi... ) which essentially implements zero-touch home automation logic with built-in override from Philips' Tap switch. (and it also chats with my desktop/laptop computer to detect e.g. when I am unidle, and to turn on/off monitor, music playing, and so on..)

    I do not really believe in using phone or tablets to deal with 'day to day' events in my home, I prefer buttons (either on WeMo switch, or Philips Tap ones), and automation that sometimes triggers things on it's own. I guess it is a matter of preference..

    --
    -- pending
  48. Figure Out What You Want To Do First by billstewart · · Score: 1

    You can do a lot of basic testing with cheap X10 stuff, then if you decide it's not a waste of time, go find something better. I played with X10 stuff a decade or so ago, and while it was pretty easy, I found that my home didn't have much that benefited from automation. (A previous place I lived had a hot tub that took an hour to heat up, and it would have been useful to be able to fire that up remotely. But that was gas-powered, and the landlord owned it, plus that was back in the days that it would have been a telephone relay.)

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  49. Leviton VPT24-1PZ by cyberspittle · · Score: 1

    I use the above for external lights to come on automatically at sunset and turn off at specified time. It requires your location as the sunset and sunrise change everyday, which makes it a great product. It works with CFL and LED bulbs. Internally, I have lights with switch to turn them off after 15, 30, 45, or 60 mins (bathroom fans, etc.) and others with motion detection. The above is a great intro to electrical wiring. I prefer anything that is not connected to TCP/IP, as WIFI and internet are both dangerous attack vectors. Internet of Devices are dangerous!

  50. Options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    look at Lowes Iris switches. You can use their hub or build your own with a Raspberry Pi.

    Also, check out this DIY website - tons of info.

    http://www.desert-home.com/2014/10/ok-back-to-zigbee-protocol-and-xbees.html

  51. http://linkio.net ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://linkio.net/ ? But the kickstarter just ended one day ago

  52. X10 Not That Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, it's inexpensive. Second, there are a lot of different control modules. Third, it seems pretty robust, at least in my house. I built my own controller (using a PIC microcontroller and a real-time clock chip) that does everything I need. The controller was published a couple of years ago in Circuit Cellar magazine. I "compile" a script of timer events and send the resultant text file to the controller by a serial port. I do this in Linux, but it works with Windows, also.

    1. Re: X10 Not That Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could say the same for DMX-512 but the setups are more reliable and there is a greater variety of stuff to use.

  53. Don't overfocus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everything you said about your car is essentially correct, as long as you ignore pollution.

    Switching to a hybrid will cut your emissions over 90% at the tailpipe.

    I'm not trying to persuade you to do anything, or even trying to refute your analysis of auto economics - but personally I don't give a flying shite about any of the things you mentioned. What I care about is that several people I love have suffered horribly and eventually died because of pollution, and because pollution is the dominant threat to my species at this time. Right now my father is very slowly dying an ugly and undignified death from Parkie's caused by chemical exposure in the workplace - that's the kind of thing that motivates my actions, not coolness factors nor economics either.

    Similarly, a home automation project can provide a loved one with a better quality of life. My sisters and I bought our father an automatic lifting chair so that he can sit down and get up without assistance most days. This has significantly improved his condition and we don't really care what the electricity costs to run it.

  54. Arduino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Nuff said

  55. Home automation communication infrastructure stand by anegg · · Score: 2

    Some interesting things have been happening in home automation communications infrastructure standards. I'll preface this by saying that I'm not an expert, but have been trying to follow developments here for a few years for my own system. I can see four or five different media that you may want to consider. If you don't want to be stuck on an island, the problem to be solved is one of compatibility, especially looking towards the future.

    Power Line Communications - these are attractive because your house is already wired for them and the source of power for a device interface is rather obvious. Unfortunately, many solutions are low bit rates, unreliable, or proprietary. Universal Powerline Bus (UPB) seems to be the current raining champion here. Much more reliable than X10, but slow slow slow (240 bits per second). Works for on/off, but won't be useful for higher-end sensor applications. There are other low-speed PLC approaches, some of which are faster (4800 baud even!). What may be the way of the future in PLC is HomePlug AV and HomePlug Green PHY. The former is a high-speed PLC approach (up to 200+ Mbps) that costs a lot per device, the latter is a dumbed-down version of the former that has a much lower bit rate but supposedly costs 75% less in both $$ and power. Its bit rate is still supposedly much higher than UPB. Here the target is something like 250kbps which is touted as necessary for "Smart Grid" applications. IEEE 1901 is a standard that incorporates the HomePlug AV technology; I don't think it includes the HomePlug Green PHY yet, but HomePlug Green PHY is supposed to be compatible (on the same power line media) as HomePlug AV.

    Low-voltage bus - here you have to run wires. Ethernet is the reigning champion, running over UTP, coax, fiber (ok - not exactly low voltage but it fits the mood). Great bandwidth, great reliability, but sucks down power and costs $$ for interfaces. PoE makes this useful for remote sensors/controls that don't have a local source of power.

    High-speed wireless - you don't have to run communications wires, but the solutions here require more power than you want to supply if running off batteries in a remote location. 802.11 is the champion here.

    Low-power wireless - lower bit rates (250kbps) but much less power consumed so that even battery-powered remote devices can be used. ZigBee is one example, which I think is interesting, because...

    Ideally you want to be able to tie all of these together so that you don't need to plumb multiple media interfaces into your controller, and ideally you want to be able to use TCP/IP as a high-level protocol. Here is where IEEE 1905 comes into play. The IEEE 1905.1 standard provides an abstraction layer to established powerline, wireless, coaxial cable and Ethernet home networking technologies - IEEE 1901 / HomePlug AV, Wi-Fi, MoCA®, and Ethernet. I think there is some effort underway to get ZigBee into the fold as well.

    If vendors see an advantage in following the standard, and interoperability becomes a selling point, perhaps we'll get away from the multiple proprietary islands.

  56. Good + easy by fredc97 · · Score: 1

    I use the Smartthings hub paired with mostly third party devices:
    Belkin WeMo wall switch to control light fixtures for which you cannot use things like Philips Hue
    Philips Hue in lamps without wall switches (now with a "cheaper" white bulb)
    Aeon Multisensor, Smartthings 1st and 2nd gen motion sensors, Ecolink PIR motion sensors to detect intruders and turn on/off all the lights
    Fortrezz Leak Sensor to detect flooding
    Smartthings Power Switch (for lights and general control) and Aeon Labs zwave switch (for A/C unit)
    Sonos (pricy but adds a human voice to alerting)
    Fortrezz Alarm (for intruders and the flashing light to get attention)
    Dropcams (for video feeds or taking pictures based on events)
    Smartthings contact switch (to detect intrusion, door knocks and mail delivery)
    Netatmo (both in and out) temperature, humidity, air quality to calibrate a central heating system
    Nest Protect for smoke and CO alarm (the only one not yet supported officially by Smartthings, but support is coming)

    Grand total: about 1500$ in the last year for about 30 devices, no recurring costs. It could have been a bit cheaper and simpler but it's relatively cheap to get a Gates Mansion level of automation. It is so reliable that whenever a light does not switch on (maybe once a week) that my GF will notice it right away.

  57. "Umbrela" is unveiling some stuff at CES... by turthalion · · Score: 1

    This is all new, I post it only because I just read about it the other day in the local paper. The emphasis with this stuff is on inexpensive, but it's from a guy with a good track record at other local tech companies.
    http://www.winnipegfreepress.c...
    Here's a snippet:
    Smart homes from smart guy
    High prices inspired entrepreneur's firm
    By: Martin Cash
    One of Winnipeg's newest startups can thank sticker shock for its existence.
    Salman Qureshi was building a home three years ago in St. Norbert and asked about adding some smart-home features to the project. The answer startled him. And then inspired him.
    "I wasn't thinking about anything fancy, just some networking so I wouldn't have to worry about wireless issues," said Qureshi, 44, the former head of product development and manufacturing at Monteris Medical.
    "I got a quote for a few thousand dollars. It was unbelievable (how expensive it was)."
    It was at that point the seed of the idea was planted in the back of his mind for an all-in-one smart-home device.

    --
    Michael Coyne
    http://turthalion.blogspot.com
  58. homegenie and aeon z-stick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am actually a little surprised no one has mentioned homegenie. It is OSS (GPL)

    http://www.homegenie.it/

    aeon z-stick;

    http://aeotec.com/z-wave-usb-stick

    HG also works with Raspberry Pi

    There are many z-wave compatible devices out there (thermostats, plugs, outlets, motion detectors, etc), price varies.

  59. Quirky and Wink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out products on Quirky.com, they have light switches, motion and temp readers, controllable outlets, and more that all connect with a phone app named Wink.

  60. Re:Insteon vs x10 by bigtrike · · Score: 1

    The worst part about Insteon devices is that they have x10 support which can't be disabled. It results in devices switching on and off randomly.

  61. Re:Dozens of Insteon Switches ALL Broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bit the Insteon bullet maybe eight years ago, spending many thousands of dollars. Virtually every switch has broken in the interim, many with only modest use. Along the way to having to remove and discard the switches the switches caused endless grief with their temperamental habit of freezing up and needing to be disconnected from power for maybe 20 minutes before regaining functionality...at which point they usually required reprogramming (time consuming).

    A great idea run into the ground by abysmal quality control. If you want to waste a lot of time and money, go with Insteon. Better yet, buy anything else.

  62. Re:Insteon vs x10 by Nonesuch · · Score: 1

    The worst part about Insteon devices is that they have x10 support which can't be disabled. It results in devices switching on and off randomly.

    This may have been true when Insteon was first introduced in 2005, but has not been the case for at least the past 5 years. No new Insteon devices come with X10 addresses programmed in by default, and Insteon is almost entirely immune to accidentally responding to noise on the power line by switching on and off randomly.

    Insteon support site now states "Please note that most new Insteon devices no longer support X10 communication.".

    In general, Insteon is not a particularly secure protocol, and is vulnerable to sniffing and replay attacks. If you need devices with stronger security, consider more recent home automation protocols such as Z-Wave.

  63. If you want to do it right... by NathanWoodruff · · Score: 0

    Do it yourself.

    Now this will not be cheap, but it will be industrial grade and last the lifetime of the house. You will need to do your own wiring and your own programming. If you have basic skills of pulling cat-5 cable and basic home wiring skills, you can do this your self.

    You can do this for about $250 and a few weekends worth of your time. You can spend about that much and have a toy system or go this route and have an industrial system.

    You will need to start with a parts list.

    First, you will need a board to switch everything. Start here.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/OPTO-2...

    This board already has some 120v output switching. $31 at current price, there are cheaper that you can find still. But what this board doesn't have is the 120v input modules, they are yellow... Here is a lot of input and output.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Opto...

    You still should be able to find them cheaper.

    You are going to need a 1000 foot roll of 4 pair 18 guage wire with wire colors white, black, red, green. This is an industry standard... http://www.ebay.com/itm/18-Gau...

    Start with that. Depending on your building codes if you can prove that you pulled this wire and it had been there for 5 or more years, you will not have to pull it out when you sell your home.

    Now the fun part. You need to find a central location in your home to mount the G4PB24 board and possible others when you expand the system. This place need space to have a computer and a connection to the internet too.

    Start with the light switches. You will need to run your wire from your central location to your light switches. Pull off the plate to the switch and run your wire in the wall to this switch. The switch will have two wires connected to it. One from power and one going to the light fixture.

    The black wire(in the US) from the power line is connected to to the bottom of the switch.
    Connect the black wire from the 4 wire cable you pulled and connect it there with the black wire to power. Do not remove the black power line wire from the light switch.

    Disconnect the black wire that runs to the light fixture and wire nut it to the red wire in the 4 wire pair that you pulled.

    Connect the Green wire to the switch where you removed the black wire from the switch. The Green wire will carry the switch power.

    The white wire from both power and light fixture should be wire nutted together. Add the white wire from the 4 pair wire to those 2 wire nutted. That is your neutral.

    Now on the G4PB24 board put a Black OAC5 in position 1 and a IAC5 in position 2 on the board. The black wire and the red wire will go the the 1 and 2 position of the Black OAC5 and the Green and White wire will go to the 1 and 2 position of the IAC5.

    When you then throw the light switch, power will be applied to the green wire. That will flow through the IAC5 turning on the LED in the module and flowing out through the white wire. Nothing happens......

    You will need this computer interface board to make the magic happen... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Opto-2...

    This one is for $199. I have found them as cheap as $35. Keep your eye out for them.

    The software that you will write will constantly poll the input modules looking for input and then turn on t

  64. Re:Insteon ISY-994 by Nonesuch · · Score: 1

    The ISY (upgrade to the 994i if you haven't already) has a very nice and fully documented REST interface, included in the base license. There is an optional module enabling it to make calls out to remote network resources and also host web pages internally on the microSD storage card.

    You don't need to use their proprietary programming interface. The same PLC or "PLM" (PowerLinc Modem) that the ISY uses can be accessed directly as a serial device if you want to work with Insteon devices at a low level from your own hardware, such as a Raspberry Pi.

  65. String by The+Scooter+King · · Score: 2

    A whole lot of string and pull switches. My dad did the whole basement lighting system that way, back in '79. As for scheduling, rig something up with egg timers. Eye hooks, duct tape, and popsickle sticks are also recommended. Maybe a toaster and a pulley. YMMV.

    --
    Everything's been downhill since the TRS-80
  66. Try this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Elk 1 Gold.
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    1. Re:Try this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean Elk M1 Gold.

  67. Cheapest Home Automation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its no secret that the cheapest home automation comes in the form of undocumented aliens paid under the table. Some of the wealthiest folks, mainly in the district of columbia, have been making use of them for centuries.

  68. Look into DMX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a pretty robust control system that has been used for years for stage lighting, light and sound shows, etc, called DMX. Lots of compatible gear exists, some pretty cheap, various capabilities. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it, though it was really built more for stage environment than home automation (but probably has a lot of the needed capabilities.). And some of the gear is targeted at struggling bands, theaters, etc., so you can find affordable stuff.

  69. Pocket $20 to $50 per month using a wattmeter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think about modifying your question or goal - get a watt meter device and wack away at your personal electrical usage... and then do home control with a much shorter list of tasks.

    I bought a Kill-a-watt, a $20 device. Unlike an amp clamp or voltmeter, the Kill-a-watt returns electricity usage data in directly usable form for electricity usage management. Some notes, some pocket calculator work, a spreadsheet and a few utility bills will soon turn unplugging wall warts, TV's, cordless phones, laptops, toothbrushes, razors and washing machines into one of your favorite money making home sports.

    Over the past few years I have driven the houshold electricity bill down from the mid $150 range to sub $100 per month. I am at the point of replacing the electric water heater with two roof mount solar water heater panels and a gas fired water heater. I am finding the electric water heater replacement a harder home modification project to get going on than most.

    The technically better solar water heater solution has been undermined because I can manually switch off the electric water heater for 12 hours per day. For no expenditure at all about 20 days of every month I switch the electric water heater off and save a great deal of monthly expense. It is an interesting irony to be stuck with an old and costly solution because it is so easy to manually switch it off.

    My electrical utility, provided me with a Bidgely,com wireless electrical consumption measurement device. The Bidgely receives the wireless house electric meter data, interacts with the public utility over the Internet and shows hour-by-hour graphs and electricity usage analysis on the computer by way of a web page. The problem with the Bidgely is it uses 5 or 6 watts, That is above my "unplugging threshold" but if you unplug the Bidgely you lose the usage detail. The device also sends you emails telling you that it has been unplugged.

    To OP: Looking forward to you reporting back next year which advice you took and what was fun and enlightening.

  70. It's not the devices, it's the software...CastleOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Picking out hardware devices for low cost automation is very easy these days. Most smart devices have been commoditized, for instance smart light switches are available at price points from $30 to $200 from two dozen manufacturers.

    The key to a smart home today is the control system. Finding a system that can work with the devices you want to use, and that will grow with you into the future. Most systems today are tailored to one or a handful of protocols. You'll find a controller or hub that works with Z-Wave but not Insteon, or Nest but not UPB, etc.

    In addition, a lot of the low cost hubs do not have the strong logic ability you are looking for, for instance the Insteon Hub does not support conditional logic.

    All that said, I'll put a humble pitch in for my company's software: CastleOS. Simple, powerful, works with more integrated devices and protocols than any other system, supports the Microsoft Kinect for whole home voice control. And it doesn't touch the cloud! YOU own your data, and it never leaves your home. No round trips across the land just to turn on a light. Available for Windows now and coming soon to the Xbox One!

  71. self roll one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - esp8266+(your choice of cheap uC)
    - RPI (or your choice of Linux capable module)
    - python (or your choice of glue language).

  72. KNX+ZWave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My suggestions if you want both a *stable* (read: safe) and *tinkerable* (read: hackable) home automation solution would be a combination of 1) KNX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KNX_%28standard%29) and 2) ZWave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-Wave)

    - KNX(http://www.knx.org) is the best home automation protocol (by far) in Europe and Asia but requires bus cabling to be laid across the house (protocol supports several physical media, including wireless and PL, but twisted pair devices account for more than 99% of all devices available). You can find both cheap and expensive hardware, but what proves its market dominance is there are literally *thousands of products* to choose from (http://www.knx.org/lu-de/knx-members/knx-certified-products/). Also: its *backwards compatible* so you can easily reprogram *today* a 20-year old device, and it'll probably be programmable until the device dies out on you. Open source tools widely available, but beware that the "official" device programming tool (ETS) for Windoze comes in at around 800Eur.

    - ZWave(http://z-wavealliance.org) OTOH is available globally and is a truly mature and reliable (Unless of course you have some serious radio interference problems!) wireless home automation protocol. Hundreds of products available, and quite interesting open-source software (http://www.openzwave.com). I think ZWave is a perfect complement to a wired KNX installation for extending "sattelite" devices like wallplug dimmers, shutters and the like.

  73. Vera and Z-Wave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm surprised that no one has mentioned it yet, buit you should look into Vera and Z-Wave protocol.

    These videos are old, but they give you an idea of the possibilities.

    Devices to get started with:
    VeraEdge Home Controller
    GE Z-Wave Wireless Lighting Control and Appliance Module
    Linear WD500Z-1 Z-Wave 500-watt Wall Mount Dimmer Switch
    2gig CT100 Z-Wave Programmable Thermostat (White) These are basic.
    Honeywell YTH8320ZW1007/U Z-Wave Enabled Programmable Thermostat Much better choice.

    1. Re:Vera and Z-Wave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I forgot to discuss the programming aspects of your question. Vera uses Lua and their own Lua extensions called LUUP. It's a simple language that gives Vera a LOT of power.

  74. Cheap AND Simple? by AO · · Score: 1

    You can't find cheap AND simple in the home automation world...do you want cheap or do you want simple?

    What you really want to do is look at the base software that will talk to all devices. Preferably something that can talk to several different protocols like Insteon and Z-Wave. This way you can mix and match devices based on price and functionality.

    Two software packages come to mind (because I have used both)...MisterHouse and HomeSeer. MisterHouse is cheap (free and open source) and HomeSeer is simple.

  75. MySensors.org by henrik.ekblad · · Score: 1

    If you want to build your own sensors and actuators you should check out http://www.mysensors.org/

    We've created easy-to-follow instructions on how to build your own wireless home automation parts.
    The mysensors project support 10 different controllers so you should be able to combine both commercial and your own DIY parts.

    Cheers
    Henrik

  76. Telldus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.telldus.com

  77. zwave + vera by James+McP · · Score: 1

    I went with zwave because of the variety of manufacturers. The GE Wink and Lowe's Iris systems are both zwave at heart and most of the devices use standard zwave device profiles so they work on any zwave controller.

    I went with a vera3 because it is turnkey, supports a wide variety of devices and inputs including many security systems, has software for insteon modems, is user hackable, and can be controlled locally or remotely without being dependent on an active internet connection. (I.e. Wink)

    The trick to controlling costs is to use it where needed and not because it is cool. I.e. my thermostat (iris zwave $100) and the switch on my pipe heater ($35) are zwave. I have internet weather and a couple of sensors that fine tune the house temperature throughout the day. Now my 2nd floor bedrooms don't swelter, the lower floor tv room isn't freezing and even when the temps dropped to 5F(-15C) my water lines were flowing and I didn't have to worry about it.

    I won a Hue starter set and while light control is interesting (i use it as an alarm clock) the fact switches render the bulbs inert makes controllable bulbs a novelty. Controllable switches are the important part. Except remote controlled lights aren't very useful beyond novelty. The exception are exterior house lights. Having those on a randomizable timer or turned on by Autotasker geofencing when your phone drives up, and/or triggered by your security system in alarm mode are all good usrs of "smart" lights.
        Oh, and if you know anyone with hearing problems. Having the lights flicker/dim or color cycle when you have a phone call or doorbell ring is very helpful. But for typical people its just novelty.

    --
    I've been on slashdot so long I'm starting to get out of touch with the cool stuff if it ain't on slashdot.
  78. Look at http://unipi.technology/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The UNIpi can do all that you asked for and at 215 Euro for a complete set is relatively cheap. The UNIpi comes with 8 230V relays, 1-wire bus for e.g. temperature sensors and some digital and analog inputs and outputs. It also uses a Raspberry PI as controller and can be programmed easily using, among other languages, Python. Sure it is a bit of a DIY solution but hey, you asked slashdot. :) For automating a few things at home this is great. For fully automating a 3 story house wiring is probably going to be a bigger problem.

  79. Re:Insteon vs x10 by jjhall · · Score: 1

    If you're on the same transformer as your neighbor's house, your X10 system is wide open to them too. Years ago when I was playing with X10, we had all of the lights in our house start randomly flashing at 2:00 in the morning. This happened a couple of times over a couple of weeks. Come to find out, our neighbors just had a new alarm panel installed and had a few false alarms as they worked the kinks out/got used to how it operated. One of it's features was to flash all X10 light modules when the alarm was triggered. Since it came set to house code A, and I used the same house code for the first batch of devices in my home, my lights were happy to obey the instructions it was sending out. Ultimately we left it alone as I figured I'd rather have some notification that something was going on next door.

    If you aren't using a central controller/automation system, you just have a remote switch/dimmer for all of your lights. While handy, this is hardly "home automation" as the OP is asking for.

  80. Some serious cool stuff here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is some serious cool stuff here, http://joaoapps.com/ only for android.