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Windows 10 IE With Spartan Engine Performance Vs. Chrome and Firefox
MojoKid writes: In Microsoft's latest Windows 10 preview build released last week, Cortana made an entrance, but the much-anticipated Spartan browser did not. However, little did we realize that some of Spartan made the cut, in the form of an experimental rendering engine hidden under IE's hood. Microsoft has separated its Trident rendering engine into two separate versions: one is for Spartan, called EdgeHTML, while the other remains under its legacy naming with Internet Explorer. The reason Microsoft doesn't simply forego the older version is due to compatibility concerns. If you're running the Windows 10 9926 build, chances are good that you're automatically taking advantage of the new EdgeHTML engine in IE. To check, you can type 'about:flags' into the address bar. "Automatic" means that the non-Spartan Trident engine will be called-upon only if needed. In all other cases, you'll be taking advantage of the future Spartan web rendering engine. Performance-wise, the results with IE are like night and day in certain spots. Some of the improvements are significant. IE's Sunspider result already outperforms the competition, but it has been further improved. And with Kraken, the latency with the Spartan-powered Trident engine dropped 40%. Similar results are seen with a boost in the Octane web browser test as well.
Is Windows really relevant anymore? Mobile seems to dominate all the application and product development. And browsers have been a commodity for quite some time, why would we care anymore as long as it can load facebook.
Maybe if Microsoft offers a new browser for the many popular non-Windows platforms out there, I might stand up and take notice. Could be good to have a better browser on iOS, Android, Chrome, OSX, Tizen, ...
I am sure Chrome and Firefox are well ahead on "new versions per month" stats
Still I wouldn't touch IE with the proverbial 3 metre citizen of Warsaw
Pwned b4 I even opened it!
I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
The last time I thought my browser "felt" slow was probably in the 90s.
The areas of web browsing I care more about are the rendering of web pages as designed preferably without artefacts, usability such as the "right" popups at the right, being able to browse without being assaulted by unwanted content (*), having the ability to perform my important tasks like internet banking, having the ability to play movies without flash.
Browsers that have the ability to do such things (probably most of them now) are what I'm looking for..
* Not just blocking advertisements but also content that gets shoved in my face like Kim Kardashian "news" bits that get shoved in my face. I'd almost pay for a plugin that would do that!
What's up with the shit storm of pro Microsoft articles lately?
No one cares about shitty Microsoft tech these days...
Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
Enough with the MS News. If I want MS News I'll go to MS and waste my time.
Don't cast your pearls before swine.
Maybe this will be the kick in the ass Mozilla needs to whip Firefox back into decent shape.
We shouldn't let MS get away with trying to portray Edge as a completely new rendering engine. It's not... cutting a branch and cleaning it up does not create a new codebase.
Until the Edge branch receives significant rewrites, edge == trident.
I can't stand Chrome and IE, and Spartan seems to have the same problem: they all have non-standard interfaces, and that's infuriating.
Compare these pictures: GOOD versus SHIT. See the difference? One has proper title and menu bars. It follows the system's standards. It has good usability. It looks like all programs are supposed to look. The other uses its own blue alien interface that doesn't match anything else in the system.
Fuck Chrome, fuck IE, fuck Spartan, and fuck every developer who doesn't obey the system's HIG.
Circumcision is child abuse.
IE was well optimized for Sunspider already, so there is not much of a change there. Google Octane 2.0 however has always been terrible in IE, and now it comes in roughly the same as Chrome, for a massive 81.8% increase over the old rendering engine. Kraken continues this with a 45% jump in performance. It is a big change, and a welcome one too.
It would help if they mentioned what the hell these benchmarks are supposed to measure. Out of Sunspider, Octane 2.0, Kraken 1.1, WebXPRT, Oort Online, and HTML5Test, only HTML5Test has a name that means anything to me. Most of them are easy enough to google, but I didn't find anything searching for oort online benchmark. Isn't this supposed to be the author's job?
More speed is great, I'm sure users will be happy.
The dual rendering engine, less so. I know backwards compatibility is pretty important to Microsoft, but now they have twice as much web-facing code to maintain - all the legacy IE MSHTML stuff as well as the new EdgeHTML code - and thus twice the zero-days to cope with. Perhaps this is the lesser of two evils, but it's certainly not ideal.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
TFA is saying that the new 'spartan' has improved IE's performance, to the point that now its performances match and/or exceed that of FF and Chrome
But, if we look at the whole thing from another angle we would know that it isn't that the 'spartan' improves IE, rather, indicating a SERIOUS REGRESSION of both FF and Chrome
I still remember how fast and light FF was when it came out. I was among one of the first who dare to fire up FF when everyone was still sticking with IE, and FF now ? [shaking head and sigh]
Chrome is also the same. When it came out it was so fresh, so responsive, so light
No more
My fervent hope is the new 'spartan' engine will spur both FF and Chrome to start taking performances seriously. Users are really tired of bloatwares, and FF / Chrome have become bloatwares
hijackers, malware, viruses, NSA eavesdropping...
Who cares ? some say IE is relevant in the Corporate workplace because a lot of the ERP packages, scripts, etc, default to IE as the front end. I do a lot of contracting with the Fortune 500 companies, and more often than not IE is a screw-up, doesn't work. Tech support say they can't help and then say using Firefox and/or Chrome is not a supported browser. I laugh at them and say, well I need to get my job done ! Of all the Windows releases, I liked Win 7 the best but I hear that its going to be automatically rolled over into Windows 10 ?
Shudder
I think the hate toward microsoft JUST BECAUSE its microsoft is completely unjustified and misguided at this point.
Companies like Google have been FAR WORSE yet are still praised (but probably wont in 10 years from now).
Windows is actually a freaking good and productive OS, when you become expert with Linux, MacOSX and Windows - arguably the top 3 - you'll find that Windows is damn good at being productive on the desktop/as a workstation. Of course, very few have such proficiency, so I'll give an example. Heard of GrSecurity? the lead developer, develops for Linux on Windows, because he want stuff that works, is quick, and is flexible.
IE is not a bad browser anymore either. They caught up and fixed it. It's not my favorite but it works perfectly well. Spartan Engine is damn good. Sure - I'd rather use Firefox (which by the way beats the pants of Chrome in many of these benchmarks) because it follows my ideals more closely. But from a technical point of view, IE's fine. Spartan makes it finer.
Microsoft can't afford advertise elsewhere?
cortana gave orders to the spartan, travel to the EdgeHTML, slay the great sunspider, and try not to get eaten by the kraken. If he succeeded, much octane and glory awaited him ... or so he believed...
I ask a basic question. Is Windows relevant. And provide a little bit of information to get people started on the conversation. I get marked as "-1 Troll". While the vast majority of responses are basically (paraphrasing here) "Yes, it's relevant" with no real evidence to back up the claims.
You know guys, not every first post is a troll. But some times people with mod points are as bad as trolls.
So will this get me better performance in IE's metro version on my Win8.1 tablet (if/when I upgrade that to Windows 10)?
Spartan! Kraken! ... Gotta love those codenames. You get a pretty good impression of what kind of movies the crew at microsoft has been watching lately. :-)
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Who cares what the rendering performance of a Microsoft browser is ? They're a crapulent mess of exploitable code.
Microsoft will never release a secure, customizable browser. They never have. The never will.
Just give me the option to completely remove all Microsoft browsing code from any Windows installs I have to suffer with already...
I think its clear that the OS is not very important anymore as long as it runs a browser that can basically do what people need. I am not so inclined to say the Chromebook and Chrome OS is that great, but it does prove that for the most part, people have really become more focused on a browser then on a OS.
My view of Spartan is that its what Microsoft would do in a browser when it does not get hindered by enterprise requirements. Its going to be somewhat confusing though as Microsoft plans to include both IE and Spartan on Windows 10. This is almost as bad as having a Modern desktop IE and a Classic desktop IE in Windows 8. I have never hated Internet Explorer and find today that its a good enough browser for many. Having used the latest on Windows 10 9926 build. Its has certainly become the browser everyone wants in speed, function and HTML5 support. Streaming Netflix HD was very good and stable. But I also know its taken Microsoft far too long to get to this point and I am not sure how much market share Microsoft can gain back from the likes of Chrome browser.
I suppose we could talk about pocket calculators. But let's exclude it to devices that can do general purpose computing. You know, run a web browser, word processing, face book, play doom, etc.
You're the idiot that doesn't realize that while the install base for desktops is huge, that they aren't being replaced with more desktops but instead people are upgrading their tablets and phones. Face it, desktops are going away except for a handful of people who are content creators. Artists, engineers, etc.
You need to move beyond 2010.
I smell cooked data. "Teh M$ browser supa fast. Everybody else slow. Blah blah. " And I don't believe it for a second. They came up with a rival browser and did their best to kill Netscape. Then with no competition they sat on their hands and cried "MONOPOLY!!!" for years and years. And Firefox came along and the shout was "Not as good!!!" Then it got good and the shout was "Don't you dare uninstall your browser, you will all get sick and die!!!" And then lots more did and Chrome came along, and then they were scrambling to re-assemble the long-disbanded Internet Exploder team (some employees had left, some had been re-assigned multiple times as different projects came and went. Others had retired. And then they tried to compete and results were lacklustre. And its been at least 7 years, and now they are close to having competitive product again. And I'm not going to touch their incompatible crap. If they had been able to create a browser this fast and compatible, they would have done it in 1990. As it is, I don't think its all that fast, and they still have a highly questionable "W3C" compatibility rating. I know the others have *never ever* said: "Your browser is incompatible, please upgrade to Chromium 5.6". For that alone, they deserve to die.
I'm getting animated ads now on my mobile. I'll give it two days and then say good bye to slashdot.
some project manager just wanted to say "RELEASE THE KRAKEN!" when production was ready...
As for Spartan, that is probably alluding to less feature bloat... Actually a perfect name for a lightweight no nonsense browser. If it actually is or not is another matter.
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