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Apple Said To Be Working On a Pay TV Service

walterbyrd writes Apple is in talks with TV programmers to put together its own over-the-top pay TV service, Recode says. According to the site's industry sources, Apple's proposed service would be comprised of bundles of programming, secured through deals with content providers and sold direct to consumers, rather than a full TV lineup. Apple has reportedly already shown demonstrations of the proposed service to people in charge of TV programming, but Recode says the talks 'seem to be in early stages,' with the pricing and release date still yet to be set.

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  1. Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by n0w0rries · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I pay for TV I expect NO COMMERCIALS. PERIOD!

    Hulu thinks if they show me the same commercial every 5 minutes that somehow I won't despise them and their advertiser.

    1. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Tell Comcast that.....

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    2. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by MouseR · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Works well for Netflix/ 8$ a month and no commercials.

      My cable TV bill used to be 160$ to get HD/PVR/Channel On Demands (which the pileup of all the crap you dont want but are forced to get through CRTC and "cable packages").

      Quite a savings since I dumped cable TV out the house.

    3. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Merk42 · · Score: 2

      Enjoy your $500/mo bill, or do you think that you could have the same shows with their large budgets without advertising?

    4. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      I don't understand this black/white "if there's a penny out of my pocket then I won't tolerate ads!" I have a subscription to the New Yorker but there are also ads. Newspapers all have ads. Is it so horrible horrible that there be some ads?

    5. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by zlives · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and you can easily skip them without them taking up your time.

    6. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by n0w0rries · · Score: 2

      If they can't figure out how to provide entertainment for a reasonable price, then I don't watch TV. Why pay a bunch of money to watch other people enjoy life via a little box when you could be spending it on enjoying life yourself?

      We pay for Netflix, and they seem to do ok without commercials. Technology is advancing to greatly reduce production costs, but do they? We watch OTA broadcasts... they have commercials... I don't mind that... because it's free to watch... except when I'm eating dinner and a commercial comes on for some vaginal rejuvenation cream for dry cracked vaginas... that may cause vaginal bleeding and a bunch of other nasty things.

      There is a world outside of your mom's basement.

    7. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Like of the time that you are spending watching Hulu is so valuable. You could have binged watched 2 more episodes that day if it weren't for those ads.

      Netflix normally gets away from the ads by offering "out of date" movies and shows. Basically the stuff that would end up in the bargain bin at the video store. So the monthly fee is enough to cover costs, and make netflix and the content owners happy.

      Hulu, deals more with the current TV shows. So they are in more direct competition with the broadcast companies. So they need to pay them more for the rights to show the content more timely. However they charge the customer the same amount, so they make up the difference with a few ads.

      This is still superior to Cable Where you pay a lot more per month, get ads to support the local broadcast company (These are often your local ads for car dealers), then adds to support the larger parent company (These are the adds for particular models of cars with no mention of the local dealers). The broadcasters fight with the cable companies all the time to see how should be paying who for rights to show the material.

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    8. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by bledri · · Score: 2

      This is not true. You can't skip Hulu Plus ads, and youtube now has some ads that can't be skipped (no doubt they get more money for those.) At least you couldn't when I tried Hulu Plus, so I cancelled it. If I am paying money, I don't want ads and I don't want to have to skip ads. I am willing to pay more to have an ad free experience. I am tired of being the product that is sold to advertisers, I want to be the customer that gets what he pays for.

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    9. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Imagix · · Score: 1

      Ahem... House of Cards (US), Orange is the New Black, Marco Polo... won't find those in the "bargain bin".

    10. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You should consider entering your post in a contest where each idea in it contradicts the previous one. Just a bit of polish and you've got a winner.

    11. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by ruir · · Score: 1

      Have they? Only if you are using iOS, in OS/X I do not even see them. Hail to the browser extensions ;)

    12. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by zlives · · Score: 1

      not sure about your time, but the 90 minutes i allow myself for "entertainment and leisure" everyday is too valuable for commercials to me.

    13. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by zlives · · Score: 1

      my point was regarding skipping ads in the NewYorker...

    14. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Wild_dog! · · Score: 2

      Anyone remember the original premise of cable TV. No Advertising.
      Just shows and announcements about what was coming up?
      Once hooked though... a scattered ad or 2 barely was noticeable until Cable is the same as Network and nobody remembers the ad-free days.

    15. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

      Avoiding commercials is more of a mental health thing for me. I can do without some 90 minutes of yelling, blaring, and mental manipulation every day (assuming a binge watching day).

    16. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 3, Informative

      What annoys me are all the youtube adds that overlay the video until you manage to click the little "x" on each of them.

    17. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      do you watch cable TV?

    18. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      do you watch cable tv? or go to movie theaters?

    19. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      do you watch cable tv? or go to movie theaters???

    20. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      I am tired of being the product that is sold to advertisers, I want to be the customer that gets what he pays for.

      do you ever use any google produts? If so, you are the product. but you knew that, so I don't understand your statement ehre.

    21. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by tattood · · Score: 1

      Ahem... House of Cards (US), Orange is the New Black, Marco Polo... won't find those in the "bargain bin".

      Those are all Netflix original programs, so they do not need to pay anyone else for the right to broadcast them. If they were to try and get new episodes of cable TV shows, then they would have to pay the same way that Hulu and Comcast do.

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    22. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Ahem... House of Cards (US), Orange is the New Black, Marco Polo... won't find those in the "bargain bin".

      I like how your first example is a show exclusive to NetFlix.
      Apples/Oranges, etc

    23. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      I don't think that was the original premise - although there are a few channels without advertising, it was more of a better connection to get broadcast channels.

    24. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      The most annoying thing on hulu are the "web only" shows that mean I have to switch from the roku connection to my TV to the PC connection to by TV. Still unskippable ads either way, but the web ones are often interactive so they don't do anything.

    25. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      I don't watch cable TV currently, and when I did, I would simple fast forward over the commercials. Movie theaters I either come in after the ads play or go grab whatever needs to be grabbed if I'm there with others- either way I don't see the ads.

      Cable TV is shit for precisely this reason, and requires a work around. Movies are not interrupted by ads anyway.

    26. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      Anyone remember the original premise of cable TV. No Advertising.

      No. The original premise of cable TV was to provide good TV signals from broadcast stations to places where either antennas couldn't be installed or would be expensive. I.e., apartment buildings or distant signal areas. Since broadcast TV has ALWAYS had advertising, cable could NOT promise "no advertising".

      The acronym CATV (early "cable") does not stand for CAble TV, it stands for Community Antenna TV. One antenna serves a community and distributes signals via cable. Broadcast, ad-supported signals.

      Once programming networks popped up that were being distributed only via cable THEN it was possible to have certain channels that were "no advertising", because you could go to a pay-channel system. (Early broadcast pay-channels suffered from several problems, including limited bandwidth, scrambling systems that degraded the signal, and piracy, so they were never very profitable.) Early players in the satellite-distributed cable programming channels included WTBS and WGN (both "free" and ad supported), and pay channels like HBO ("ad free", during movies.)

      Once hooked though... a scattered ad or 2 barely was noticeable until Cable is the same as Network and nobody remembers the ad-free days.

      Nobody remembers what never was. I was around from the time HBO was a small single-channel network, and I worked with people who were there long before me. HBO was one of the first ad-free channels on the system, not one of the last.

      I have no idea what you mean by "Network", but since cable is one medium for distribution of network programming, it's hard to say that cable is not "network"-- and it was from the very beginning.

    27. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by grub · · Score: 1

      You can pass over ads in printed media or online. On TV or radio it eats up your time.

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    28. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      what about product placement in movies? does that make you tear your hair out too?

    29. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      "Nobody remembers what never was."
      I remember visiting my cousins in LA who had cable. We watched many hours of programming with no ads at the time in the late 70's. The big appeal for them is not having to watch ads which was a big draw of cable at the time. I think HBO was one of the many channels available and I don't remember ads in the sense that Network TV had ads. It was a revelation to me at the time. I thought this is a cool way to have TV content delivered. Pay up front and not have pesky ads interrupting ones movie. Fantastic.

      At my cousins there were many other local stations over CATV that carried content uninterrupted as well. Later when MTV started, I don't remember many ads there either. Just Music Video after Music video.
      That is in stark contrast to most of the fare on Cable TV these days.

      "I have no idea what you mean by "Network", but since cable is one medium for distribution of network programming, it's hard to say that cable is not "network"-- and it was from the very beginning."

      Network TV is quite common vernacular and simply means the major networks like ABC, NBC, CBS. Obviously everything can technically be called a Network, but, at one time, most people understood what one was talking about when anyone said Network TV vs. Cable TV... or Network vs. Cable. Even if you google Network TV vs. Cable TV lots of links pop up talking about the differences between these services even today.

    30. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Sebby · · Score: 1
      Answer is 'No' to both, precisely for the reasons I've given.

      I don't want to pay to see 15-20 mins of commercials before a movie. And no, the "theatre experience" doesn't make up for it - not by a long shot.

      I'd much rather wait whatever amount of time for it to show up on Netflix/whatever services, and watch it in the comfort of my home, without a bunch of strangers augmenting the 'experience'.

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    31. Re: Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by stephencrane · · Score: 1

      I think part of hulu's problem is that the transition to commercials are harsh, not in relation to transitions in the story, way too repetitive, and you're immediately frustrated (at least on desktop) when all the controls suddenly freeze/gray out during the ad. At least spottily lets you pick your battles with a prescribed number of skips per hour. All these things seem fixable. Have seemed fixable for ages. Yet they're not fixed. Their model is to practically insult you with a very similar experience with Hulu+. It doesn't matter if there's more content if you're still put off by the UI and ad experience. I would have thought hulu'd wise up by now, but the fact that they never did tells you they're in this business for another reason. More of a denial strategy, or negotiating leverage when competitors come to universal for streaming content contracts.

    32. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      I pay $8 a month for Netflix with no ads. a streaming service could easily have a massive library and be quite affordable while staying profitable.

    33. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Barring the very small amount of new content Netflix funds, most of that massive library you have access to has already been paid for through traditional means.

    34. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Same as the networks? When I worked at comcast we helped test and install MPEG2 stream compressors that would drop frames here and there from a movie or TV show to give us 2 more advertising insertion spots than what the TV network had. Yes that's right, we inserted MORE ad's than the network had by dropping frames.

      There is a reason that I refuse to have Comcast Cable and Comcast Internet even if it's the fastest I can get around here... After working for them, I will never ever give them any money Or let them into my home.

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    35. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Lol, my ex STILL mocks me for the "Nokia email" following their ludicrous assertion that they would be around post capitalism and post nuclear war (by virtue of showing up as the in-dash system of a young Captain Kirk in the JJ Abrams Star Trek).

      That stuff can really twist me.

      But tear my hair out? I went bald way before it was cool!

    36. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I remember visiting my cousins in LA who had cable. We watched many hours of programming with no ads at the time in the late 70's.

      Then your "cable" was really just a pay movie distribution service and not what cable TV started out to be. If your "cable" didn't carry the local broadcast TV then it was something different. Like back in the mid seventies there was an OTA pay service in Chicago which wasn't broadcast TV even though it used the same technology for distribution.

      I remember in the mid to late 70's when HBO became the first and at that time only pay service on our cable system. The only other channels that didn't have ads were the public access ones. And before that, the CATV and MATV systems that grew into what we know as cable TV today carried ONLY broadcast, advertising supported, TV signals.

      Network TV is quite common vernacular

      I know what network TV is, but you didn't say network TV, you just said "network". "Network" could refer to either network TV or cable/satellite networks.

      Since you meant "network TV", then it is relevant to understand that network TV was a prime component* of cable TV from the beginning, and since network TV (sans perhaps PBS) was advertising supported then cable cannot have started with the promise of "no ads". Not every service delivered over a wire is what "most people understand" when you say "cable TV", just as not everything delivered OTA is "broadcast TV".

      * and I will happily avoid the whole "comprise" argument.

    37. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Nope. Netflix only.

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    38. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      Not really here to argue. Just to relate the experience as I know it. You have more information on the particulars. Fine.
      I know my cousins and many other's were lured to cable for its ad free stations and were willing to pay for them.... Like HBO for instance. That is what drew them to paying for service.... as you say... a pay movie distribution service. Without cable they could still pull in 20+ stations over the air if they wanted and yet they paid for services with fewer to no ads.

      So given this experience it is how I understood things to be.

      But now that I am older and have had my own various cable services.... I have found them awash in ads ... maybe even to a greater degree than Network TV

    39. Re:Hey Apple, here's some free consulting by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      Anyhow too much advertising to be worth my time anymore.
      That is part of why I have cut the cord now, way to much of life wasted on unwanted advertising...and less and less meaningful content.
      Now Netflix has become similar to what the reason my cousins switched from the networks to cable for. Less ads and more content. And I don't mind paying for that.

  2. They already have this.... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    99% of all TV shows are available for purchase on Apple TV at exorbitant prices, but they are there...
    Here is hoping that they have an ala-carte version that is affordable in the $9.00 a month price point like Hulu Plus

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  3. Late to the party... by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Informative

    Someone else is already offering this sort of service (Sling TV).

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    1. Re:Late to the party... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps YOU are unfamiliar with Apple.

      Apple is never first to market, but make the best-of-class product in the category, and is able to sell it for a premium because it IS best-of-class.

      Nobody wants to pay higher prices for a product. Apple doesn't force anyone to buy their products. Apple delivers better value, therefore they can charge higher prices. Other companies would LOVE to charge the higher prices that Apple does, but can't - because their products just aren't worth it.

    2. Re:Late to the party... by Jhon · · Score: 2

      I have Sling. Had it for just about a week now. $20/mo for 12 channels. News? CNN. Sports? ESPN 1&2. Entertainment? ABC Family/TBS/TNT + HGTV, Food network, Cartoon network and Disney.

      I went from nearly $200 for internet+home securty+TV down to ~$90

      Sling is really just starting. Minor glitches (sound sync sometimes), stream quality (sometimes switches to lower quality with no known bandwidth issue on MY side). They have a few other packages with 5 stations each that you can add for an additional $5/month.

      So far, i'm very happy with the service. Got it installed on my Fire Stick (side loaded) and I launch it through Kodi. They should have a Fire Stick/TV specific app in the near future, too.

    3. Re:Late to the party... by Sebby · · Score: 1
      Indeed, "Apple" is synonymous with "Copycat"

      Tablets? Phablets? Nope, Apple didn't think of those.

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    4. Re:Late to the party... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

      Just got on Sling this week as an early customer as well. It takes trained eyes to tell the difference between Sling's network stream and the digital TV stream from Comcast. This is good quality of a service that is at the early adopter stage.

      I decided after my weekly end-of-year reckoning about expenses that the price of Comcast, which slowly creeps up on a nearly monthly basis, isn't justified when I watch 2 channels. I decided to end my TV service with comcast within the next year. Then Sling comes along and has the two channels I happen to watch.

      The downside is Sling is operated by Dish and it has all the inherent customer service problems that entails. Since Comcast is a disreputable company then this is a wash though, and on aggregate Dish service is probably equal or better. The customer service problems have been on display with their roll out, as people who were REALLY excited about the service aren't being able to get the invites for the service. The excitement for Sling has been very great, but due to the usual idiocy from the top brass (giving out bad dates for when the service was going to start) and the usual corporate idiocy of not answering legitimate questions (see @Sling on twitter).

      I can't see Apple's offering to be any better. At least Sling is concerned about various platforms. I am sure Apple will force you on to their equipment, there will be no allowance for non-Mac and Android users, etc... Sony is coming out with a similar service with the same problems. I don't want to buy a PS4 when I've a Roku boxes in my house for a decade already.

    5. Re:Late to the party... by kuzb · · Score: 1

      That's great and everything, but since buying it is invite only it's worthless to most of us.

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    6. Re:Late to the party... by Jhon · · Score: 1

      They'll be going live for any subscribers soon (like week(s) soon).

    7. Re:Late to the party... by houghi · · Score: 1

      They were late to the phone party as well.

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  4. problem by slashmydots · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone in America at this point knows if it says Apple, don't get into it in the first place. It's like a black hole. Once you're inside, you're stuck and that's that.

    1. Re:problem by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      I use my Apple TV for Netflix 95% of the time and other various non-Apple sources the last 4.95% of the time. The last 0.05% is using my Apple TV to watch movie trailers, that's the only Apple service I use.

    2. Re:problem by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Considering the iphone 6 outsold all Android phones put together since it's release?

      http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/...

          I think your america is insanely different than the one that really exists.

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    3. Re:problem by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      I use also it for the apple movies, because every Blu Ray I get has a code I can enter that gives me a "free" copy through apple. Youtube and Hulu Plus is also great through it as well as the PBS app so I can stream Austin City Limits episodes.

      You should explore the other services on the ATV.

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    4. Re:problem by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I'm in Canada. The only "other services" apart from iTunes are Netflix, Crackle and Crunchyroll.

    5. Re:problem by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      And YouTube, of course.

    6. Re:problem by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Oh that sucks.... Region locking is the biggest box of poop ever created.

      And these companies wonder why people end up having to do things to get around their dumb restrictions.

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    7. Re:problem by marlinSpike · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you don't have an Apple TV. I use mine, and I've NEVER bought or rented a single movie from Apple. I use it exclusively for Netflix and PBS, neither of which are Apple owned. I also AirPlay to it from my iPhone so I can watch Amazon Instant Video shows. Again, not an Apple product. Your point is invalid.

    8. Re:problem by Imagix · · Score: 1

      And Showmi ....

    9. Re:problem by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      No it's not. Apple TV content has always been limited when compared to more open devices like Roku. I've had a Roku since the days it ONLY had a Netflix app. Today it has hundred of channels. Plus it can do everything you mention in this post. Plus with this weeks Sling introduction in can already do some live TV.

      Lockdown is a HUGE issue with any Apple product. If you already have been locked in to apple products then this new service might be worth it, but the better alternatives already exist.

    10. Re:problem by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      https://gigaom.com/2015/02/04/...

      Market share is nearly tied.

      In this case Apple did it first (that's generous though given Blackberry's old position) and Android is arguably doing it better. Of course I think open is better and the man on the street will probably site Apple being better because they don't have that bias.

    11. Re:problem by Princeofcups · · Score: 2

      Everyone in America at this point knows if it says Apple, don't get into it in the first place. It's like a black hole. Once you're inside, you're stuck and that's that.

      Which type of fallacy is this? Where you ways "everyone knows" when no such thing is true.

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    12. Re:problem by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      We're talking about the Apple TV.

    13. Re:problem by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      You're conflating issues. Apple TV has dozens (hundreds?) of channels at this point, with the only notable absence being Amazon Instant Video (no one seems to know if it's Apple or Amazon keeping it off of the Apple TV). Roku may have more/better channels. Or it may not. I don't know off the top of my head, and, frankly, it doesn't matter to most people since most of the important channels are on all of the devices anyway.

      Where Apple does lock things down is with the content that you purchase from them, such as TV shows and films. THAT'S the black hole, since those remain locked to Apple devices unless you go through contortions of dubious legality. But there's no need to get your content from them, and just because you have an Apple TV doesn't mean that you're locked into Apple's ecosystem. I've ripped all of my media to HDDs at this point, and I stream it to my media center via my Apple TV. I could do the same on a Roku, an Xbox, or any number of other devices, and have in fact done so in the past, but I found the Apple TV to be the simplest, easiest, and most reliable to use of my available choices, so it continues to get used in that way. If Apple ever locks it down, I'll simply switch to something else. No big deal, since I'm not locked down.

      TL;DR: Apple TVs don't lock you into anything. It's iTunes content that locks you in.

    14. Re:problem by tsqr · · Score: 1, Funny

      Everyone in America at this point knows if it says Apple, don't get into it in the first place. It's like a black hole. Once you're inside, you're stuck and that's that.

      Which type of fallacy is this? Where you ways "everyone knows" when no such thing is true.

      You're right, of course. He really should have said, "Everyone in America who's been paying attention knows ...". Much smaller number than "Everyone".

    15. Re:problem by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      Then you should have bought a cheaper device.

    16. Re:problem by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      Those numbers are bullshit. There are 7 android phones in the world for every 1 apple phone of any generation.

    17. Re:problem by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      Oh btw, forget Apple TV. Try deciding to stop using iTunes and bring your purchased music and videos and your Apple ipod over to another store/software platform. Oh wait...

    18. Re:problem by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Music? That hasn't been a problem in a long time.

      Videos however, are a different story. That's why I've only ever used the "99 cents movie of the week rental" for videos on iTunes.

    19. Re:problem by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Go ahead and tell us that this Apple TV is your only Apple product.

  5. a la carte by retech · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm all for freedom of choice. But if you have to pay for a half dozen different monthly services to get the content you want it's really not about choice anymore. It's about how much they can gouge from you. Why not just offer single show subscriptions? Or pay as you watch?

    1. Re:a la carte by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      It depends on how good the a la carte offerings are, I suppose, and what it costs. For me, at less than $10 a month per subscription service, I can get far more relevant content than with cable by subscribing to several services, and it's ALL on demand. Even better, I still pay a fraction of what cable costs.

      Many people hate cable because they bundle hundreds of channels you DON'T want in order to get the two or three channels you really do want. That business model isn't going to last long in the face of some real competition, assuming they don't figure out a way to quash it (like they were desperately trying to do with Netflix).

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    2. Re:a la carte by Rougement · · Score: 1

      All I care about is watching soccer. For me to do that on cable the channels will cost me $110/month. I'm not going to pay that and I find the games by alternative means. If Apple can provide a service where I can watch the games live for $10-$20/month I'll sign up.

    3. Re: a la carte by stephencrane · · Score: 1

      Check out Dishworld's sports package. All the euro soccer - premiere, la liga, serie a, Mls, champions league, Mexican, etc., and a bunch of other channels that don't matter unless you like badminton or cricket. $9/month. Works for roku, iOS, chromecast, android devices.

  6. "Over the top" by imidan · · Score: 5, Informative

    In case you don't know what "over the top" means in this context, this is from Wikipedia:

    In broadcasting, over-the-top content (OTT) refers to delivery of audio, video, and other media over the Internet without the involvement of a multiple-system operator in the control or distribution of the content. (A multiple-system operator or multi-system operator (MSO) is an operator of multiple cable or direct-broadcast satellite television systems.)

    So, apparently, it just means streaming media over the Internet.

    1. Re:"Over the top" by halivar · · Score: 2

      Oh. I thought they were gonna turn their baseball cap around so you knew they meant business. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt00...

    2. Re:"Over the top" by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      In case you don't know what "over the top" means in this context, this is from Wikipedia:

      In broadcasting, over-the-top content (OTT) refers to delivery of audio, video, and other media over the Internet without the involvement of a multiple-system operator in the control or distribution of the content. (A multiple-system operator or multi-system operator (MSO) is an operator of multiple cable or direct-broadcast satellite television systems.)

      So, apparently, it just means streaming media over the Internet.

      I like to think it meant they were going to climb out of their trenches and charge across no-man's land to attack the Germans(Google?). I can picture a bunch of people wearing Apple Genius uniforms charging across a muddy, crater filled field waving iPads to confront a bunch of Glass-wearing Google developers. And then suddenly a few Google self-driving cars slowly lumber onto the field sending the Apples back in a panic while flights of Amazon delivery drones buzz overhead dropping 1-2lb hand grenades.

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  7. Step 1: Kill Forced Bundling by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even though I'm in a well-populated area, we have only two viable providers, and they both suck badly. I welcome competition from Apple so that they can't slack as much.

    One feature I'd really like to see is single channel subscriptions. I don't want to have to pay $25 more for the next level JUST to get one stinkin' channel. Bundling drives me crazy.

    If I can cherry-pick channels I want at about $7 or less per channel, then I'll be knocking at Tim Cook's door to get it.

    Or even pay-per-show over bundling. I don't watch much TV. Apple has the negotiating power to thumb the bundlers.

    F forced bundling.

    1. Re:Step 1: Kill Forced Bundling by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Apple already has pay-per-show iniTunes, but it's set at relatively high prices because it's pay-to-buy instead of pay-to-watch/rent.

    2. Re:Step 1: Kill Forced Bundling by transporter_ii · · Score: 1

      Amazon has pay-per-show as well. However, renting a whole season of shows often costs more than just buying the DVD set (and then you own it...sort of). Good concept, bad implementation.

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  8. Re:Already done, and better. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple will not attempt to create a TV set top box [...]

    The Apple TV doesn't exist?

  9. Apple Fatigue? by ripvlan · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Why is this news worthy of geeks? Apple - may or may not be doing something - but it is too early to tell what - and they may not actually be doing it, and if they are it may or may not be with an iDevice. But we can't tell.

    Look - Apple Watch!!

  10. Re:COMPRISE! by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1
  11. NAS / torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All the TV and movies you could ever watch, no commercials, and they're yours forever.

    1. Re:NAS / torrent by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      I'm guessing you're younger. I was there once too - perpetually broke and willing to tolerate anything to save $10.

      A lot of people aren't there anymore. The cost for these services is trivial, and far worth saving the hassle of downloading stuff for sketchy websites that may or may not even be accurately labeled. Plus you get well maintained clients or professional devices. XBMC on a Raspberry Pi might work OK, but its a lot more hassle and far less polished than Netflix's app on Roku/FireTV/etc.

      Eventually there comes a point when the hassle of piracy outweighs the monetary cost of just going the legitimate route.

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    2. Re:NAS / torrent by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention being spared the stress of getting made an example of by some MPAA law firm.

    3. Re:NAS / torrent by lamer01 · · Score: 1

      I hate having to be tied to the internet though. I like to have a library i can watch when cable is out or power is out or whatever.

    4. Re:NAS / torrent by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      How often is that really happening? In the last two years I've been without internet or power at my residence for a combined time of 4-5 hours. I certainly am not so attached to digital media that I can't survive that long without it.

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  12. Re:Already done, and better. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    It's only a 'hobby'. It's not a real product.

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  13. Re:Already done, and better. by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

    It's only a 'hobby'. It's not a real product.

    Not anymore, according to Tim Cook...

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  14. Re:Already done, and better. by schlachter · · Score: 1

    Only a legitimate Apple TV should be considered here.

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  15. FTFY by Sebby · · Score: 1
    Proper quote of OP is:

    Apple will not attempt to create a TV set top box unless the business model allows then to somehow reap revenue from both the subscriber and the content creator

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  16. Re:Already done, and better. by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

    legitimate apple TV? Is that anything like legitimate rape?

  17. Re:Can they actually secure content? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

    The problems with streamed TV have been more mental and legal rather than technical.

    I am NOT trying to be a cheerleader for sling (Even though I've posted about it in this thread 3 times), but its roll out this week is a key event. The fact that cable TV channels have not played well with online TV up to this point and Dish/Sling have now broken that psychological barrier is a big deal. I think traditional cable tv is going to have a hard time keeping the 40 and younger set, and they'll lose the more technical savvy oldsters as well.

  18. Re:COMPRISE! by sexconker · · Score: 2

    You're wrong, as is the idiot trolling Wikipedia with his edit crusade and baseless essay. (I fully support any and all trolling of Wikipedia.)
    Comprise is a transitive verb, like the word make. It originates from the Latin comprehendere. If you want to take up this clown's crusade you'll have to take up the same crusade against nearly every transitive verb there is.

    Shit makes your posts.
    Shit makes up your posts. (The "up" isn't necessary, but is common as it can disambiguate "Shit".)
    Your posts are made of shit.
    Your posts, being made of shit, are shitty.

    Shit comprises your posts.
    Your posts are comprised of shit.
    Your posts, comprising shit, are shitty.

    If you still don't get it, think about why a transitive verb is called a transitive verb.

  19. Don't lock it to their devices by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty open to trying out their service if it's good - but not if it means having to buy an Apple TV. Netflix, HBO Go, etc, seem to have the right idea: offer the service and build the client for just about anything with an internet connection.

    I typically use an Amazon FireTV downstairs and my PS4 in my bedroom to run my other video services. I have no interest in replacing them.

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  20. Re:"renting" digital is an archaic, illogical conc by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but none of this stuff is "renting" anything - you don't pay for a specific show on Netflix or the like. You pay a flat rate for "all you can eat" content. I have no qualms with DRM applied to such content because I'm not buying it.

    If you go to a chinese buffet you don't get to take extra plates home for dinner (not without paying for them anyways). Same concept.

    Frankly, the "unlimited" access model works very well for me. It's far easier to budget for (non-variable monthly cost) and I can watch as much or as little as I want without having to worry about racking up a bill.

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  21. Stinks like cable by kuzb · · Score: 1

    "Apple's proposed service would comprise of bundles of programming"

    Essentially this means to get the one program you'll want to watch you'll have to buy a bunch you'll never watch. When are they going to learn that many of us are not paying for cable specifically because of the model used to extort us for more money than the programming is worth to us?

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  22. Re:COMPRISE! by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

    TL;DR.

    Convince the dictionaries to change their minds, and I will too. For now they recognize such usage only as "nonstandard" or "idiomatic."

    The proper usage of a word comprises that specified in the dictionary.

  23. Re:COMPRISE! by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

    The original and erroneous post states, "[the] service would comprise of bundles," which is an improper construction regardless of the subject/object relationship. It could "comprise" or "be comprised of," but it could not "comprise of."

    The irony, as I said, is that the OP has the subject/object in the proper order, he just has that errant "of" in there.
    I wonder if he didn't read the recent Wikipedia article here on Slashdot and try for a play on it. =) He almost got it. Were it not for that post, this stuff wouldn't be so fresh in my mind either.

    Shit comprises your posts.
    Your posts are comprised of shit.

    Switch "shit" and "your posts" in each of your sentences, and you're grammatically correct. Otherwise, if your shit really does comprise posts, you best see a proctologist ASAP.

  24. Re:COMPRISE! by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

    =)

  25. Re:COMPRISE! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Comprise is a transitive verb

    Since when did that mean you should put "of" after it? I've obviously been doing of it wrong all these years. Maybe I need of to read of a grammar book.

    It originates from the Latin comprehendere.

    English and Latin are different. *I* know this because one is my native language and I studied the other at school.

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