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Linux Kernel Switching To Linux v4.0, Coming With Many New Addons
An anonymous reader writes Following polling on Linus Torvald's Google+ page, he's decided to make the next kernel version Linux 4.0 rather than Linux 3.20. Linux 4.0 is going to bring many big improvements besides the version bump with there being live kernel patching, pNFS block server support, VirtIO 1.0, IBM z13 mainframe support, new ARM SoC support, and many new hardware drivers and general improvements. Linux 4.0 is codenamed "Hurr durr I'ma sheep."
Does it come with systemd?
So, I assume that a bunch of nitwits are going to show up and say that Linux is never going to be used professionally unless they get their naming together. Inevitably GIMP will be brought up as another example. (And perhaps even GNU.)
Being that I work with distributors and customers from different nations I occasionally encounter people with not only names that are mildly funny but even obscene in my native language.
Guess what the professionals do? They don't give a shit about the name because if you let the name of something have an impact on your decisions then your choices will be limited by them and that itself is highly unprofessional.
Fancy names and shiny appearance is marketing tools to hide whatever is under the hood. Don't let that deceive you.
I thought it was a clever reference to the Chinese New Year, close to the release date.
the inescapable conclusion that internet polls are bad.
Big surprise.
But "Hurr durr I'ma sheep" trounced "I like online polls" by a 62-to-38%
margin, in a poll that people weren't even supposed to participate in.
Who can argue with solid numbers like that? 5,796 votes from people who
can't even follow the most basic directions?
In contrast, "v4.0" beat out "v3.20" by a slimmer margin of 56-to-44%,
but with a total of 29,110 votes right now.
Now, arguably, that vote spread is only about 3,200 votes, which is less
than the almost six thousand votes that the "please ignore" poll got, so
it could be considered noise.
But hey, I asked, so I'll honor the votes.
Source
... that 4.0 really is a big step up from 3.19 or is it simply the same amount of new stuff that would have gone into a 3.20 release anyway? Not that it really matters, Linux version numbers make about as much sense as Firefox ones these days.
"It's called Linux 4.0."
How's that?
Already some versions of Linux has been everything from Lucid Lynx to Trust Tahr. Windows is technically Chicago, isn't it?
And, sorry, but my software on my desktop at the moment consists of Xibo, Google, Putty, Audacity, GIMP, MonkeyJam, Scratch, GLPI (colloquially known as "gloopy"), and numerous others. And I work in a very posh independent school. This is what the kids see every day. Are the school bothered? No.
If you're put off by the name, use the version number like everyone else. And if your CIO doesn't allow you to deploy something because of a nickname, yet it fulfills all your business purposes and doesn't have the name visible ANYWHERE, he's an idiot.
Will luck, we also won't have idiotics ACs too!
Its the other way round:
http://youtu.be/GWQh_DmDLKQ?t=...
It's the same character for both in Chinese - you have to disambiguate if you want to be more specific. There are more goats than sheep in China, so it's usually translated as goat if not specific.
Is there a reliable and efficient process init and monitor server in the Kernel yet? I think that's what people would really be more interested in getting.
My IBM mainframe is no longer collecting dust!
"Hurr durr I'ma sheep" won over the alternative "I like online polls" which got 38% of the votes. ...in a vote Torvalds asked people not to vote in, and yet 5,796 people did.
In the real poll, "v4.0" beat out "v3.20" by 56% to 44% out of 29,110 votes.
Since nobody ever use the kernel code name, it doesn't matter in the slightest what it's called. Everyone will refer to the kernel as "4.0".
"Total destruction the only solution" - Bob Marley
I work for a Fortune 500 company and I can assure you that my company's project names are no less ridiculous.
The only difference is that my company's products aren't open source, so the public almost never gets to see the project names and all the other silly things that show up in the comments of the code.
All Linus is showing here is that he's an arrogant twat who "put a poll up as a joke" and then got pissed off that people used it despite him saying not to use it. Image: Linus with hands clenched either side, red faced and screaming out "YOU DIDN'T DO LIKE I WANTED!!!!! YOU ALL POOOP HEADS!!!!". What a fucking babby.
[Bill Gates] Steve - put the chair down now, I'm still in it!
We're just about broke so you'll have to throw one of the old one's (again). Or maybe a box of those fucking phones no-one wants...
The Linux distros would have done a lot better if they were codenamed after an animal, without the stupid adjective. Lucid Lynx - crap name. Lynx - acceptable name suitable to interest PHBs.
Its not so much the name but the sense that people who are coming up with these names are finding it amusing or humorous and so it comes across as unprofessional. Anybody who isn't already deeply into Linux and open source will look at such a name and think its a toy or joke, not something to bet the business on. This is why Microsoft sells Windows, if Linux wants to make inroads they have to appear professional first.
Its like putting your CV up for a job, if its full of schoolboy humour, jokes and nonsense, then you're never going to be invited to interview, no matter how good your qualifications, enthusiasm and intelligence are.
So? If Linux was renamed Linux v6,000,000 would this make better than Windows and MacOS ??
So switch to Solaris and use a real UNIX?
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
The Linux distros would have done a lot better if they were codenamed after an animal, without the stupid adjective. Lucid Lynx - crap name. Lynx - acceptable name suitable to interest PHBs.
So... Ubuntu is now 'the Linux distros'?
Those names are typical for Ubuntu and its derivatives, other distributions like Debian, Fedora and SuSE use different naming schemes.
Disclaimer: I'm a mostly satisfied Ubuntu user.
"Hurr durr I'ma sheep."
(setq sarcasm 'on) Well, that will certainly help me convince the boss to upgrade our infrastructure. (setq sarcasm nil)
I wish people in Open Source realized that Open source means you are living in a fishbowl, and everyone can see your shit. In a closed system you can call your work anything you like, the marketers will take care of the image. Yet open source, for good or ill, is visible to all, including this kind of nonsense. Juvenile stuff just doesn't work with people who have the authority to make major decisions. You would think that there would be a natural sense of shame in trying to practice marketing when you are really an engineer. Stick to coding guys!
One reason we use a lot of BSD here instead of linux a few years ago, is that not only is it open source but also there is a very simple release cycle and no one feels the need to name each release some sort of catchy name. The version numbers also actually mean something. It is an engineered solution, not a marketing project for high school nerds.
Linux will always remain a toy until the people coding it learn to grow up and actually promote its true abilities as an industrial strength tool for doing real work. Hurr durr just doesn't give that message. Even Red Hat has learned this and stuck to a very predictable release numbering which is what the bean counters like. Predictability is what makes risk management possible, and that is why people will invest money in it. Sheep do not get to play that game.
But well, it's just the kernel, so one could just use the number, but damn this sort of stuff is exactly why linux will never be taken that seriously, even if it is free. /rant off
Linux not taken seriously? Are you insane? It's the most widely distributed kernel on the planet.
First look at:
http://droidhyper.com/wp-conte...
Notice how smart phones and tablets are far outselling PCs? Now look at the distribution of phone operating systems being sold:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...
The kernel is shipping in every single one of those android phones. If you guys are basing your decision on whether or not to use Linux vs BSD servers based on whether or not the releases are named, I think Linux can probaly do ok without you.
this sort of stuff is exactly why linux will never be taken that seriously
Thanks for letting me know it will never be taken seriously - since I have been using it at work (at some pretty serious places) for many years now, this obviously came as a bit of a surprise to me.
All I'm wondering is whether there has ever been a single quote in the codename before? Virtually guaranteed to break someone's build system...
They should have just gone straight to eleven because, you know, it's one more than ten plus that way they could have one-upped OS X _AND_ Windows! (and it's a freaking prime on top of that!)
"Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense in any copyright law on the planet." - Mark Twain
You've obviously never read a post by Linus where he was genuinely pissed off. Reading comprehension would tell you that he was expressing mild disgust over the number of people who either failed to comprehend his instructions, or comprehended them and did it anyway.
:)
But hey, believe what you want if it makes you happy!
I! Tego Arcana Dei.
Yes, Linux is only on embedded devices. It's not running on my phone, laptop, desktop, and server at all.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
is the richest company of all time. So much for professionalism.
So much for facts.
I just assumed the codename thing is a jab at Ubuntu. After all, it only exists in the Makefile and nowhere in the actual code. ...
Yes, I'm aware that Debian started the code name thing, but Ubuntu changes theirs every 6 months so it's way more noticeable.
GLaDOS for President 2016! "Well here we are again. It's always such a pleasure." -- GLaDOS, 2011
NT 4.0 came out in 1996, not 1999. Earlier versions had the same look and feel as Windows 3.x, which would have been _really_ out of place in 1999.
We had it installed on a 166MHz Alpha back in '97, I think. Funny thing - flood ping the thing and it's like a pause button. Everything just stops. Stop pinging, the clock skips forward and everything goes on as normal.
My friend with the Aplha wasn't amused. He was less amused every time he left and came back to Linux running on it.
Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach either, do tech support.
(setq sarcasm 'on) Well, that will certainly help me convince the boss to upgrade our infrastructure. (setq sarcasm nil)
What crappy programming style. setq? Really? The proof that a real Fortran programmer can wriet Fortran in any language.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
The company I work for is currently code-naming their projects after cartoon characters.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Actually Ubuntu versions are YY.MM. The adjective and animal name are (mostly) hidden. On Ubuntu's download page I cannot see any mention of Utopic Unicorn, but just 14.10.
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The world is divided in two categories:
those with a loaded gun and those who dig. You dig.
If Linus' main motivation for bumping the kernel's version is because he doesn't like how high the minor version number is getting, and he keeps bumping the major number because of that, at some point, the major number is going to get as high as the minor number gets when he starts not liking how big the number is. So, presumably, he'll be unhappy with how high the major number is at that point, but what's he going to do? What do you do when you have Linux 19 and don't likely how high the number is? Change the name to something other than Linux? You might be able to go from 3.20 to 4.0, but the version number after 19.19 is going to end up with a 20 in it either way. Maybe that's when he'll retire and let someone else run things...
If you can tell her to use Paint.net, then you can tell her to use GIMP.org.
"Lynx" by itself sounds more like an Atari handheld video game system or a possible OS X nickname.
v4.0? Well, it won't be long before it's up to v39 if Firefox is any indicator.
Chrome is already up to 40 whilst konqueror is up to 14 (both web browsers if you are interested) if that is any help.
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
So perhaps "sheep" was used to keep people from thinking of Goat Something Else (GoatSE). And do NOT search for that at work.
The difference is that there are more, more varied, and more mature tools to work with the binary formats "ASCII text" and "UTF-8 text" than the binary format "systemd log".
Back when I was reading slashdot in the 90s I was assured it was just weeks away from taking over the world. Now I'm looking for any serious answer as to why it's anything more than "work for embedded device manuafcturers without getting paid."
I suggest you look at your smartphone or tablet, over one billion people might disagree with you.
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
Ah the troll is strong with this one!
But well, it's just the kernel, so one could just use the number, but damn this sort of stuff is exactly why linux will never be taken that seriously, even if it is free. /rant off
Over one billion android smartphone and tablet users world wide might disagree with you and that is over 65% of the market.
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
At least it didn't end up as the 'Butt-head memorial kernel'
The kernel is shipping in every single one of those android phones. If you guys are basing your decision on whether or not to use Linux vs BSD servers based on whether or not the releases are named, I think Linux can probaly do ok without you.
I concur I did not want to comment any further for what I consider a troll. Personally I don't have any issue with BSD Unix since it actually was the first Unix I ever worked on in 1980 but many business or at least those that want to make money want an OS they know is going to be supported and the track record of the company that is going to support that OS.
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
Coming soon...
https://lh5.googleusercontent....
(notice the kernel version)
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linux seems to average a release about every 2 months. Which would mean a series every 40 months. To fill up series 4 through 19 inclusive would take about 16*40=640 months = ~ 53 years. According to google linus is currently 45 so that would make him 98.
I would expect him to be at the very least retired and quite possiblly dead by then.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
If a text editor is defective, you can use a different text editor. If the program that writes a text file is defective, you can still extract strings and resynchronize after the defective part by seeking toward the next newline. But if journalctl fails to read your binary log files, whether due to a defect in the logging process or due to a defect in journalctl itself, then how do you get information out?
Or he could become the first zombie kernel admin. Once again Linux brings innovation.
Yeah you've been gone a long time. Not just from Sashdot, but apparently there are yet rocks one can hide under!
Turns out that the Slashdot predictions in the 90s about taking over the world pretty much came to pass. The obscure project Linux is now known by everyone, and Linux is pretty much everywhere now for good or bad. Maybe not on the desktop, which is an every shrinking small part of the overall picture. Linux dominates the mobile world, pretty much swept clean the super computing world and the cloud computing landscape, and is still a huge player in the server world. It's not work for free either. Linux development is mostly done by full-time paid employees of quite a few companies that depend on Linux, and make serious money from it. So Linux really has been wildly successful, and makes people working on it a lot of money, and we all benefit. Pretty amazing picture.
Dang. In DoD contracting, everything has to be all serious. And they have to form some kind of aggressive acronym. Really gets tiresome.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
It would really be nice to have a stable next-gen file system that can scale. ZFS is for the most part FreeBSD only and I'm just not reayd to switch to FreeBSD.
There's a Linux version of ZFS. As far as I know, it works quite well, though I can't make any guarantees.
It did a pretty good job of it. Not only is it all over the embedded space, it has over half of the servers on the internet. So much so that the big expensive commercial Unix alikes went away.
OK, so I suppose Linux isn't doing well in the ass diamond industry, but otherwise it is widely used.
Some people simply don't get sarcasm, particularly when it's in a written form.
In my experience the ratio of those who get it to those who don't varies enormously from country to country; UK residents are more likely to think it's a joke while Americans are more likely to get upset, shoot their neighbors dog and start burning down buidings owned by some other ethnicity.
But I digress...
you just proved my point, thanks.
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Also, most places that do use them internally (eg. the apt repositories) seem to only use the adjective and ditch the animal.
> What a fucking babby.
how is linus formed
Yeah, trying to work out the backronym for DIE MUTHERFUKER was a pain.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
In FreeBSD you can share ZFS directly into a jail, allowing the "root" of the jail to manage their own volumes, snapshots, etc, but the host can still maintain restrictions on the jail.
Another fun fact about jails. The host can configure how many jails can be in a jail. Because jails act like a virtualized system, you can just keep chaining jails under jails, each jail can have its own root user, and with ZFS, each jail can manage its own volumes. There is still some work with ZFS resources management that needs to be done to keep jails from DOS'n the host, but you can see how flexible this system is.
At my home and my office it dominates the desktop, too.
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