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Sen. Feinstein Says Anarchist Cookbook Should Be "Removed From the Internet"

schwit1 writes with this snippet from Ars Technica: In the wake of the Thursday arrest of two women accused of attempting to build a bomb, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) wrote on her website that the 1971 book on bomb making, which may have aided the terror suspects in some small way, should be "banned from the Internet."

The senator seems to fail to realize that not only has The Anarchist Cookbook been in print for decades (it's sold on Amazon!), but also has openly circulated online for nearly the same period of time. In short, removing it from the Internet would be impossible.

538 comments

  1. Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Should be removed from congress.

    1. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Done! Her stupidity has insured this outcome

    2. Re: Sen. Feinstein by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Talk to the fuck-tards that keep electing her.

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    3. Re:Sen. Feinstein by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Should be removed from congress.

      She was reelected in 2012 with 62% of the vote. The only way she can lose is if the California Republican Party nominates someone sensible, and the chance of that is remote. The California Republican Party self destructed back in 1994, when they adopted a virulently anti-immigrant platform in a state that is 40% Hispanic and 13% Asian That have been mostly irrelevant ever since, and California is now a one party state.

       

    4. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the Antichrist cookbook is a bit rude! It dies what? Premotes cooking christmas?

      Wait! Forking auto correct! No! Thats not tit!

    5. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      So what you say is a warning for states where 'foreigner' are still a minority? Keep your immigration under control before they take control of the government, pass law favouring themselves, opening for more immigration and murder you out of the gene pool?

      That is so racist! Why are you implying this? If anything we need more Hispanics. Until the disgusting white are under 1% there wont be enough diversity.

    6. Re: Sen. Feinstein by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tell the people who lead the California Republican Party to pick candidates who are closer to the center.

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    7. Re:Sen. Feinstein by smoot123 · · Score: 1

      *Sigh*. I've voted against her in every single election and she keeps coming back. Arnold might have been the Governator but DiFi is the one who really can't be killed.

      I have no idea who keeps voting for her and why they're allowed to hold sharp objects.

    8. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell the people who lead the California Republican Party to pick candidates who are closer to the center.

      Well, since the current Republican party is far right, and the current Democratic party is right of center, you're basically saying either have Not-so-Feinstein run as a Republican (and hey, book banning/burning is almost always a "far from center" thing in general), or having them get someone just like her.

    9. Re:Sen. Feinstein by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't matter what she says or does she'll continue to get elected. Just like Nancy Pelosi who despite the fact she says and does things that make her supporters cringe will continue to return to congress. Think about it, "we've got to pass it to find out what's in it." She can utter the most moronic statements and do the most stupid things and it doesn't hurt her polling numbers at all. In US politics it's all about the bacon. If you can bring home that slab of Pork they'll send you back again and again which is why it's virtually impossible to get rid of these people. They take our money then bribe us with it to get themselves returned to office again and again and again. Although these two outstanding examples are Democrats there are plenty of Republicans in the same category.

    10. Re:Sen. Feinstein by tsotha · · Score: 1

      She's not even the worst one in the California congressional delegation. Not by a long shot.

    11. Re:Sen. Feinstein by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't matter if the Republican party nominated a Hispanic Lesbian to run against her. Feinstein is part of the machine and will return again and again.

    12. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      should have figured somebody would beat me to this comment

    13. Re:Sen. Feinstein by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      The majority of Congress is made up of greedy idiots. This is as it should be as the US has a representational democracy. The politicians reflect the values of the voters. They take our tax money and use it to bribe us with pork projects so they can constantly return to office in election after election.

    14. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      Fuck-tard here. In the last election it was Feinstein vs. Fiorina. I voted for Feinstein.

    15. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      >current Democratic party is right of center
      sure, to a communist

    16. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      To be fair, we had two terms from a republican governor / governator, but he's a RINO. Also the rebuts have maintained a large enough minority to torpedo any funding legislation since any tax changes require 67% supermaj. Also they have not hesitated to legislate at the ballot box, c.f. Prop 8.

    17. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      +1 truth.

    18. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, since the current Republican party is far right, and the current Democratic party is right of center

      Wouldn't that make almost everyone in the U.S. racists and homophobes?

    19. Re: Sen. Feinstein by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      Or you know, the Democrats could nominate somebody competent for a change.

    20. Re: Sen. Feinstein by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      They can't win with 30% of the registered voters, not even if they dug up Ronald Reagan.

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    21. Re: Sen. Feinstein by compro01 · · Score: 1

      No, Elizabeth Emken was Feinstein's opponent last time.

      Fiorina ran against (and was defeated soundly by) Barbara Boxer, California's other senator, in 2010.

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    22. Re:Sen. Feinstein by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      8.6% registered Republicans in her district, city of San Fran. Dems could run a Dead Yellow Dog and it would still win.

      Republicans could run anyone you care to name and lose.

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    23. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She's so old, there won't be that many agains.

    24. Re:Sen. Feinstein by znrt · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter what she says or does she'll continue to get elected.

      it's called "professional politicians" and happens all over the world (where there's some sort of elections, that is)

    25. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moron, you can't even get your candidates correct. No wonder the Tea Baggers are in charge.

    26. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cock should be removed from your mother's ass.

    27. Re: Sen. Feinstein by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I voted for Feinstein.... Fuck-tard here.

      Heh, you got that right!

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    28. Re:Sen. Feinstein by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Your vote is what makes it true.

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    29. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Imrik · · Score: 1

      There's also the possibility of a Democrat beating her in the primaries. However, that is also unlikely as anyone running against her would earn enmity from the party for adding division in a seat they have pretty much locked up.

    30. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Tell the people who lead the California Republican Party to pick candidates who are closer to the center.

      They did. They still do. That's most of why they keep losing.

      If they pick a "centerist" (alias "democrat lite") why would anybody on the right bother to vote?

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    31. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are mistaken. It would make a difference. It would show a change of attitude.

      The problem isn't that Republican party is dominated crotchety white guys (and i say that as a rotchety white guy myself). The problem is too many of those Republican crotchety white guys are racist, violent extreme nationalists, religious fundamentalists. torturer lovers, and/or have turned into Randroids.

      Not all Republicans are bad people nor are all actions of Democrats good (see Al Franken that along with Obama support mass surveillance). However a fair chunk of Republicans have gone off the deep end. They've let America's influence get to their head. The earth isn't 6000 yaars old. It's ok to be non-white American or gay. Its ok not to be religious. People in other countries create things too. Military should only be used if rare situation where there is no other choice for self-defense... not as an excuse to bully other nations.

      Lincoln was a Republican for goodness sake. Eisenhower too. Post Reagan though (who was a pretty decent President) being Republicans has turned into a horror show. Its become a synonym for who can act like a bigger asshole to the "inferiors" in the rest of the world. What's really scary though.. a fair chunk of Americans have been buying into their mystic we are Gods chosen people and the ubermensh gibberish these last few years. I shudder to think the hell on earth that will break out if the racist mystic war monger faction of the Republican party manages to win the republican ticket and go on to become President. ISIS are unquestionably fanatics but there currently is judeo-christian counterpart to found among some in America. Dangerous organizations like Heritage Foundation , war mongering neo-cons, and crazies like Coulter have nothing to do with freedom or rights.

    32. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Senators don't have districts.... They represent the entire state.

    33. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! CA keeps picking hard-core conservatives like Fineswine that hate us and want us to die. She is the consummate CONservative. She wants us to die. CA needs to start picking centrist candidates instead of doing what the GOPpers tell us to. They rule this state with an iron fist and murder so many of us per year. That is the way of their kind. The Republicans have destroyed us. They rule every part of our lives here in CA. They are why most of my friends are dead.

    34. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They want us to die. How can someone that murders us be considered closer to the center? You're a piece of shit nutcase that I hope dies before you kill more of us. You are the problem. Your constant raping and killing has pissed us off, and your kind is to stupid to understand why we don't like you killing and raping us. I know you CA Republicans voted as a group to make legal using lubricate to rape preteen girls. That is the way of your kind. That is what you do. Fuck you for constantly raping preteen girls. That is the way of your kind, but much of America now thinks that rape is wrong. You people smoke and think that rape is good. Your tobacco has made you into such stupid people. It blocks blood flow to your brains. That is why you are so supportive of rape. Your hero Raygun loved rape. He constantly raped in Hollywood. The Republicans loved how much rape he did. They love rapey people. Well guess what? Some Democrats are starting to fight against rape. We are the few, but we are the strong considering we are right. You barely beat Occupy, but you will not beat us. We are starting to turn the public's opinion on rape. Some people now think it is wrong. Pelosi is sometimes on the side against rape. We will will you stupid fucks.
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    35. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 0

      Tell the people who lead the California Republican Party to pick candidates who are closer to the center.

      WTF? What does that have to do with Feinstein, who has been a radical Left-winger from Day 1?

      I hate to tell you this, but California has been failing in many ways, and weather is only one of them. CA government has gone broke twice in recent memory, and it never managed its water, despite all the decades of warnings. That's not a climate fault, it's a fault on the part of the people who live there, and their government.

      This time they won't get a bailout.

    36. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with you. After nearly fifty years of life and not being able to have sex a single time because of the Republican prudes, I give-up. It's not legal for me to buy it, and I have never met a female that enjoys sex. Most of my friends are women and about 3/4 of them are virgins. They gave-in to the Republican pressure like this piece of shit Pelosi has constantly promoted. She hates sex and makes other women not have sex. Her Republican-kind has ruined life. She has taken all of the enjoyment out of life. Like you, I wish I was dead. That is what the Republicans have done. They want me dead, and I want to give them what they wan t.

    37. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Undead+Waffle · · Score: 2

      With California's election system it doesn't have to be a Republican. People just need to vote for another Democrat in the primary. The 2 candidates with the most votes in the primary advance, regardless of party. Anyway, I read somewhere that she isn't running again in the next election (unless I'm confusing her for Boxer, who is not planning to run again in 2016). Kamala Harris, current Attorney General of CA, is the frontrunner for Boxer's seat. Harris is awful but some people, especially gun owners, are hoping she gets elected to the Senate so we don't have to deal with her as AG anymore.

    38. Re: Sen. Feinstein by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      CA government has gone broke twice in recent memory,

      Actually, it hasn't. They claimed they ran out of money to run the parks and such, but it was revealed they'd been hiding that money from the public and there was plenty of funding sitting around in cash form all along.

      You think they're inept, but they're actually immoral

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    39. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I have never met a female that enjoys sex.

      I live in Seattle that several studies have shown is the most asexual city in the world. The Republicans really do rule here. There's only a single true socialist on the city council. Women here just don't have sex. I graduated second in my class in high school, and not a single guy out of the top twenty I graduated with is married or has kids. The Republicans that rule here are culling the smart out of the population. They took Idiocracy as an instruction manual, just as they did 1984. They hate the idea of sex and have prevented us from ever having it. I don't know anyone here that has had sex, and I have lived here all 53 of the years that I have been alive. Republicans and DINOs like Feinstein have really worked hard to make sure that smart people do not have sex and certainly do not have kids. Today only the stupid people are having children. The responsible and smart people are waiting until they are financially secure enough to have children, which never happens. The poor whitetrash Republicans are slinging puppies like crazy.

    40. Re:Sen. Feinstein by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that. Senator Byrd from west Virginia - the democrat who was actually a leadership member of the KKK- was so old he was wearing diapers in the senate and was reelected shortly before passing away from old age at 90 some years old (1917 to 2010). Feinstein is only 81 years old and senate terms are 6 years so she could be elected 2 more times giving us another 13 or so years. She got the most amount of popular votes of any senator before her. A record that still stands today.

    41. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In US politics it's all about the bacon. If you can bring home that slab of Pork they'll send you back again and again which is why it's virtually impossible to get rid of these people. They take our money then bribe us with it to get themselves returned to office again and again and again.

      Amusingly, this holds true with the exception of the Tea Party -- and you can see how if you aren't voting based on pork or the status quo you're branded as insane by those in power. I'm not sure what groups on the left would really be comparable, the Tea Party is the only one in my memory that actually punished representatives for going after pork and were mocked for not taking the money and running.

    42. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're confused, Democrats don't nominate their pets and the deceased, they register them to vote.

    43. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Then he'd be the only Rep candidate who's FAR, FAR, FAR left of the Dem goon.

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    44. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why?

      You don't need a good candidate to win. Only a better one.

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    45. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From over here in Europe, the whole of the US looks like a one party state with the party having two artificial flavours.

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    46. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A "radical left-winger" is someone who pushes to outlaw the accumulation of capital and expropriates all land and industrial equipment, possibly even breaking down family units, not someone who (poorly - or, more accurately in CA's case, corruptly) regulates a market-based system. You look as silly as some commie youth flag-waver who labels everything as worse than Hitler.

    47. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Vermonter · · Score: 1

      OK, serious question then - should we go back to only allowing land owners to vote? Plenty of people on welfare vote for candidates who promise to expand welfare, which is paid for in part by property taxes.

    48. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell the people who lead the California Republican Party to pick candidates who are closer to the center.

      If you can't find someone who is both smarter (to an acceptable level) than Feindswine and aligned with your political views...

      Then perhaps your problem is your political views and the collection of people that hold them.

      You should have included "it's bush's fault" in there too, that would at least open the door to your message as being sarcasm. Right now, it's just dumb.

    49. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Senator Feinstein is no Einstein unfortunately.

    50. Re:Sen. Feinstein by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't matter if the Republican party nominated a Hispanic Lesbian to run against her. Feinstein is part of the machine and will return again and again.

      So thought crimes are not far away then.

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    51. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      The Dead Kennedys tried to remove her from politics long ago.... somehow voters seem less inclined to vote out old women than even old men.

    52. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bravo. Couldn't have said it better myself.

    53. Re:Sen. Feinstein by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Should be removed from congress.

      She was reelected in 2012 with 62% of the vote. The only way she can lose is if the California Republican Party nominates someone sensible, and the chance of that is remote. The California Republican Party self destructed back in 1994, when they adopted a virulently anti-immigrant platform in a state that is 40% Hispanic and 13% Asian That have been mostly irrelevant ever since, and California is now a one party state.

      Right. She's nuts, so in Slashdot world, that too is somehow Republican's fault.

    54. Re: Sen. Feinstein by coolguy43 · · Score: 1

      Interesting comment. I talk to native english speakers online at http://preply.com/en/skype/eng... and I think your use of language is pure of confidence.

    55. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She's a senator, she's elected by statewide ballot.

    56. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Should be removed from congress."

      My thought exactly.

      SenatorFeinstein doesn't want the Anarchist Cookbook on the Internet.
      I don't want Senaturd Feinstein in the USA Senator.

      Guess my want will be fulfilled before hers.

      And we let Senaturd Feinstein write and vote on laws, right?
      We're crazy too!

    57. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are the welfare claimer immigrants? It all what matter. Supporting our poor is enough already. Supporting the well-being and health care of every human on the planet that feel entitled for more then he get in his own country will only destroy us. It would destroy any nation.

      We must be able to see the camel back is about to break. It is not racist to point it out. Peoples of other races and nationalities do so all the time about their countries. But somehow 'the west' is for everyone to pillage and not accepting more immigrants that we can't handle is bigotry. If we are that stupid, we deserve to die off. But not without a fight, I hope. #RaceWarNow

    58. Re:Sen. Feinstein by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Anti ILLEGAL immigrant platform. Nothing morally wrong with that position, except as you pointed out, it doesnt match the voter base. It says more about the voters than the party. Lots of citizens are actively working against our sovereignty.

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    59. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem isn't that Republican party is dominated crotchety white guys (and i say that as a rotchety white guy myself). The problem is too many of those Republican crotchety white guys are racist, violent extreme nationalists, religious fundamentalists.

      As opposed to racist, violent extremist and religious fundamentalist niggers? And I say that as a nigger, so it's cool.

      Do you have any evidence that the republican base is any white, racist or violent as you claim? Sound more like partisanship bullshit.

      From my own experience there are peoples of all races in every political party. And violent niggers/rednecks can be found anywhere as well. Also try to not be so racist and bigoted.

    60. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at all of the major bills passed during Obamas term. Damn near all of them have been suggested by Republicans first, that is the proof that they are right of center.

    61. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Feinstein makes a virtue out of cluelessness. She also give all liberals a bad name.

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    62. Re:Sen. Feinstein by godefroi · · Score: 1

      Ted Stevens. If I remember correctly, he even said out loud that since Alaska hadn't been a state as long as the others, they were behind and needed to catch up on the federal dollars. In essence, the rest of us OWE Alaska because they are a newer state.

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    63. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (+1, Scary)

    64. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now there is a bad case of Stockholm syndrome. You actually believe that you, a citizen, are responsible for your captors' sins, because you were told in Civics 101 that America is a "representational democracy."

      Wake up, sunshine.

    65. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll be sure to put it back up for ya ;)

    66. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Solandri · · Score: 0

      Tell the people who lead the California Republican Party to pick candidates who are closer to the center.

      WTF? What does that have to do with Feinstein, who has been a radical Left-winger from Day 1?

      It's what /. has turned into. Report a problem caused by conservatives, blame the Republicans. Report a problem caused by liberals, find a way to blame the Republicans. In the old days when the site was more tech-centric, people here were honest enough to call a duck a duck.

      People have to realize the problem isn't left-wing / right-wing. The problem is people whose ideas of how the world should work include prohibiting alternate viewpoints. That diversity of viewpoints and multiple ways of doing things is what gives a free society its strength - it allows the more successful ideas to percolate up to the top after trial by fire in the real world in an evolutionary process. The Anarchist's Cookbook may contain info only of use to fringe radical in the current social context. But the fact that it's available would help a free society survive in a different context (e.g. Russia invades Europe and people there are forced to improvise weapons to fight back), whereas a society which banned it might fail and be wiped from existence.

    67. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Done! Her stupidity has insured this outcome

      ensured

    68. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally agreed! She's a WITCH.

    69. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you wrote is pure fantasy. What is documented in history is that Democrats love slavery and racial oppression. The top Democrats are still racist. "Oh, but Obama. That proves you wrong!" It has been documented that top Democrats make racial jokes about him behind his back. Democrat policies all focus on keeping minorities poor and dependent while pretending it's a good thing.

    70. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, tell the Republican Party to stop funding campaigns opposing candidates which are clear winners in the eyes of the constituents. Tell the Republican Party to stop figuring out ways to work around its base to support the corporatists and power-hungry it wants in power. Tell it to stop lying to the voters to get elected and instead actually do what they promise while campaigning. Tell Reince Priebus, John Bohener, Mitch McConnel, Lyndsay Graham, John McCain, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, "Mitt" Romney, and all their sycophants to go to hell.

    71. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't that make them the Centrist Party? Everyone acts like the left and right should move to the center, yet there is no fucking Centrist Party. Perhaps the alleged center is far less existent than people would like to believe.

    72. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Today only the stupid people are having children.

      You should be happy. This means guaranteed Democrat majority in 18-32 years.

    73. Re: Sen. Feinstein by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      The last Senate election, the Republicans ran Carly Fiorina against Boxer. Their candidate was best known for being the person who single-handedly nearly bankrupted one of the largest high-tech companies in the world. As a result, a bunch of current and former HP employees had a website with her name that basically talked about what a disaster her leadership at HP had been. She was pretty much guaranteed to lose almost the entire Silicon Valley vote, and probably didn't do well here even among Republicans.

      And the last time Feinstein was up for reelection, they ran Elizabeth Emken, whose position against marriage equality made her pretty much guaranteed to lose any election at the state level.

      It is pretty clear that the Republicans aren't even trying to win in California. If you want to beat a Democrat in California, you need a fiscal conservative who is socially somewhat liberal. Anybody else is pretty much a non-starter.

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    74. Re: Sen. Feinstein by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Tell the people who lead the California Republican Party to pick candidates who are closer to the center.

      WTF? What does that have to do with Feinstein, who has been a radical Left-winger from Day 1?

      Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. For California to choose someone over Feinstein, that person has to be close enough to center to attract some of the left-wing vote. Otherwise, if both candidates are equally unacceptable, albeit in different ways, the left-wing voters are going to naturally choose the incumbent by default, because the other side has given them insufficient reason to choose someone else.

      I really wanted to vote against Feinstein and Boxer, but to me, all of the alternatives were markedly worse (which is saying something, because I generally disagree with both of them far more often than I agree with them). If the Republicans run someone decent (read socially moderate to liberal, but fiscally conservative), I'll vote for that person in a heartbeat.

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    75. Re: Sen. Feinstein by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Center isn't necessarily critical, but California is a socially very liberal state on the whole (well, progressive I guess is a better word), and running a social conservative there is about as effective as screaming at a brick wall. California's fiscal views, however, are much more varied. If the Republican Party wants to win elections, then, it naturally follows that they must adjust their tactics to better suit the region by running socially liberal, but fiscally conservative candidates. If they did that, they'd get a lot more votes, while still retaining at least some of their core values to some extent.

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    76. Re: Sen. Feinstein by houghi · · Score: 1

      Isn't democracy great if you think you have a choice? Please keep electing as if you want them to shoot you in the right or the left knee.

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    77. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, you mean like how Dick Cheney said "deficits don't matter" while wasting an unbelievable amount of lives and money on multiple wars for profit?

      Oh, and once his party was out of power all of the sudden deficits matter again, especially if the money isn't earmarked for the military?

      Wet can do this all day. Feinstein is one of the more egregious purveyors of statist bullshit but she's scarcely the only one. It was the other party that brought us the Patriot Act, the TSA, the witch hunt mentality against those who questioned all this at the time.

      They all need to go.

    78. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't blame an entire race of people for the Republican party.

    79. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      If you want to beat a Democrat in California, you need a fiscal conservative who is socially somewhat liberal.

      Sounds like the Liberty Wing, Libertarians, and the Tea Party.

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    80. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post is proof-positive that you, sir, are a fucktard as well. The California Republican party opposes ILLEGAL immigration, as do all right-minded citizens. Illegal immigrants are responsible for the vast majority of the states problems. But, of course, fucktards like you keep up the big lie of equating immigrants with illegals. Fuck you very much, sir.

    81. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for this link! I'm white and I enjoyed watching these videos while cleaning my guns and loading up some high-capacity magazines. I applaud you for fanning the flames of hatred within humanity. RAHOWA!

    82. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Copid · · Score: 1

      The simplest reason for that is that with the structure of our congress and the party discipline that both major parties maintain means that you're not voting for a person. You're voting for which party you prefer. They vote in enough lockstep that they can say whatever stupid or brilliant things they want. They can be angels or devils. As long as the parties vote together on bills, the individual doesn't matter. Most people would rather have a moron or serial killer who will reliably vote with the party that shares their preferences than a pure-of-heart genius who will reliably vote with a party that doesn't share thier policy preferences.

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    83. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No... idiot.

    84. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. You must blame Republican even if they aren't involved.

    85. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      California is a lost cause federally and on the state level. It's too big a state to manage and special interests from the bay area rule Sacramento. It's run by idiots to boot.

    86. Re: Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They shouldn't hope that. Then you'll get an awful Senator and they'll probably dig up and AG who is worse. AG's are always pandering little shits, and knowing Cali, you'll most definitely get worse based on the unrelenting shit coming out of that state.

    87. Re: Sen. Feinstein by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      She's plenty competent -- at getting re-elected.

      Any other competence that others might want her to have are at best supportive of that competence. Many of them are irrelevant.

      The most valuable of them -- IMHO -- would be detrimental to getting re-elected: doing her job, as described in the US Constitution.

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    88. Re:Sen. Feinstein by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      It fits the definition. Greedy short sighted people make for greedy short sighted politicians.

    89. Re:Sen. Feinstein by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      The powers in the Democratic party are far more racist and violent than those in the Republican party. You need look no further than Eric Holder.

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    90. Re:Sen. Feinstein by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Most people are completely unaware of which congresscritter is generating in-state federal contracts. Most votes go on the basis of "Yay My Team", followed with a tie between "My favorite issue" and "how much money will I personally get." In 4th place is "this person is honorable and competent."

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    91. Re:Sen. Feinstein by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      OK, serious question then - should we go back to only allowing land owners to vote? Plenty of people on welfare vote for candidates who promise to expand welfare, which is paid for in part by property taxes.

      Yes. God YES. I don't ask for much. Just own your house, that is on at least 1/2 acre of land. I think originally it was 33 acres or more. That would turn the country around really fast! Stop the freeloaders.

    92. Re:Sen. Feinstein by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      The machine doesn't work in a vacuum. Machine politics could be compared to cars. American cars were the undisputed kings of the road against all those dinky foreign imports . . . until at some point the foreign imports were visibly higher quality and higher tech, at which point you got people changing and swearing they would never go back, and eventually Detroit tanked. The Democratic "machine" is well-tuned and smoothly operating. To beat it, the Republicans would have to nominate... not necessarily a "Hispanic Lesbian", but someone who is accepting of immigration (currently a national Republican no-no), accepting of non-traditional social issues (Republican anathema!), and otherwise acceptABLE to the voters of California on the social side, while being more Republican-fiscal-conservative. It would be possible, and would have been much more possible when the Republican party wasn't held hostage by their lunatic fringes to the right and the religious directions (much as the Democratic party has long been inconvenienced by its lunatic fringes in the opposite directions).

    93. Re: Sen. Feinstein by PPalmgren · · Score: 1

      My company has paid several million dollars in additional taxes because California won't repay their unemployment fund deficit to the government, and the number keeps rising. Their balance with the fed is more than 4 times all other states COMBINED.

    94. Re:Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Post Reagan though (who was a pretty decent President)

      Decent president? You've got to be kidding. I do agree with most of what you said but I have to point out all the war whore shit and loss of freedoms started with Raygun. The deregeulation of banking and wall street started with Reagan which has fucked up us up the ass was started bu Reagan. Reagan also did show that you don't have to be smart to be the president just a good actor. We bitch about the president and congress when the truth is they are all puppets with their strings being pulled by the men being the curtian. You named a few of these Heritage Foundation for one.

      I also feel the NSA/CIA plays with this. Why does congress back them? Maybe because they have dirt on everyone of them. Remember Patraus? He stepped out of line and his email was leaked and his life ruined. Think about the dirt the NSA could collect on a Congress criter to keep them pulling the party line.

      Sad truth is we are the new Nazi's of the world. One day we as a country are going to have to pay for the horrors we have brought into the world.

    95. Re: Sen. Feinstein by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Libertarians, maybe, but they bring a lot of other baggage in their politics, like a belief in a magical free market that solves everything. At least the Republicans don't pretend that their reasons for wanting less regulation of business is anything other than what it is—a belief that businesses do better when they are regulated less. In any form, such policies are, of course, roughly the opposite of fiscal conservatism; neoconservatives are neither new nor conservative.

      And the Tea Party is anything but socially liberal, from what I've seen.

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  2. Done! by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

    It has been removed from Dianne's Internet. Oh wait. She just logged into another machine. brb

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    1. Re:Done! by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

      Yep. I had this book in print form before the Internet even existed.
      Aside from the practical impossibilities of removing something from the Internet, isn't book banning considered taboo nowadays outside the Third Reich?
      Heaven help us that this woman holds one of the most powerful positions in the Senate.

  3. Out of touch with the world she lives in by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    yet holding a position of responsibility for it

    so fucking stupid

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    1. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by bayankaran · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Feinstein, the late senator Ted Stevens (Internet is through tubes) are senior citizens who are behind the times when it comes to technology. They may not be able to comprehend "internet" not because they are stupid, but because its a truly radical idea which is impossible to fathom for the many who did not grow up with it. This is one of the reasons you still have senators or congress members - mostly old - who does not use even email.

      Recently Indian government tried to ban the documentary "India's daughter." The Indian home minister is a seventy plus Rajnath Singh. His first reaction is to "ban" the documentary. He knows "ban" worked in the nineteen fifties, sixties and seventies.

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    2. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you think she looks tired?

    3. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Out of touch with the world she lives in

      yet holding a position of responsibility for it

      so fucking stupid

      That's not "stupid," that's today's California.

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    4. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Even my 82 year old mom understands why Sen. Feinstein suggestion is stupid and can't be done.
      But then again, my mom was a Unix sysadmin until she retired.

    5. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's more than an ignorance of technology.

      She'd be happy with the book being broadly available if the left were still fighting "the man".

      Now that she's the establishment the rules are different.

    6. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of other states with representatives as bad or worse than Miss Feinstein. Although California also has Pelosi and she makes Senator Feinstein look like a genius.

    7. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      What?
      ssh root@Internet
      rm -f /world/anarchists/bombing/cookbook.doc

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    8. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you mom had run for office, I would have voted for her.

    9. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by randalware · · Score: 1

      We need more computer professionals elected !

      They wouldn't be erasing their email servers to hide stupid messages.

      Or bragging about typing a line of javascript is coding !

      I am a unix system admin (and old), the answer is always "yes it can be done, but you may not have the money, morals, or enough time to do it"

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    10. Re: Out of touch with the world she lives in by oobayly · · Score: 1

      Of only that worked.

    11. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      yeah..

      it would make more sense first to ban the book. after that they can try to remove it from the internet along with everything else.

      but as it remains a legal book, what's the point or legal basiss for trying to remove it from the internet?

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    12. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      Sorry I don't buy it. No matter which age, anyone who doesn't roughly understand how the internet works after detailed explanations can only be a complete moron or demented, or both. It's not like these people have to go to the public library to find out how the internet works, they have a support staff and access to expert panels. Or, they could just grab a phone and ask someone who knows.

    13. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Feinstein, the late senator Ted Stevens (Internet is through tubes) are senior citizens who are behind the times when it comes to technology. They may not be able to comprehend "internet" not because they are stupid, but because its a truly radical idea which is impossible to fathom for the many who did not grow up with it. This is one of the reasons you still have senators or congress members - mostly old - who does not use even email.

      Yeah, I'd agree with you if it was 1995, or even 1999. The mid-90s was a time when the first lawsuits and things happened to try to remove things from the internet. They didn't work. Anyone closely involved with the law after the year 2000 or so should know better. In 2015 to make a statement like this actually believing it to be true -- it just shouldn't be reasonable for an educated person (Feinstein has a degree from Stanford).

      So, either (1) she's making a suggestion that she knows is impossible for political reasons, (2) she's senile, or (3) she's ridiculously ignorant of what goes on in the world even compared to most people in Congress. But one thing we can't do is excuse her because she's old and clueless -- she's a major public figure and an educated person, and that excuse expired about 15 years ago (right after Al Gore "invented the internet").

    14. Re:Out of touch with the world she lives in by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Even my 82 year old mom understands why Sen. Feinstein suggestion is stupid and can't be done.
      But then again, my mom was a Unix sysadmin until she retired.

      I love these women when I come across them. They know tar, cpio.. just seems crazy. They're usually a real blast too.

  4. Steam Coupon Givaway by DrunkenTerror · · Score: 1

    I have one Steam coupon for 33% off something called Deathtrap. Anyone want it?

    1. Re:Steam Coupon Givaway by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 1

      http://store.steampowered.com/...

      Deathtrap is a Tower Defense game with strong action-RPG elements, a game of vicious tricks, killing machines, rotating blades and splattering blood.

      meh, no thanks, but thanks for the public offering gentlesir

  5. And the rest of America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Says that Sen. Feinstein should be removed from the senate.

    1. Re:And the rest of America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really, they don't. She got elected, after all everyone loves a good book BBQ.

  6. Not just the Anarchist Cookbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not just the Anarchist Cookbook, but fucking swearing and pRon. Oh and not just that either, but people who post anonymously. Good luck with that.

    Sincerely,

      Anonymous Coward.

    1. Re:Not just the Anarchist Cookbook by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

      Can we ban all the assholes from the internet too? It's such an unpleasant place!

    2. Re:Not just the Anarchist Cookbook by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "Can we ban all the assholes from the internet too? "

      First, I would like to ban them from copilot jobs.

    3. Re:Not just the Anarchist Cookbook by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Hell no, I like the anal porn. Why pick on anal porn? You hater.

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    4. Re:Not just the Anarchist Cookbook by drnb · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Anarchist Cookbook is not a threat. It is complete crap. Its author eventually admitted he was clueless and didn't know what he was doing. Just an idiot mashing up incomplete and sometimes erroneous info. In other words a typical 60s radical.

      Leave the Anarchist Cookbook alone, it is a far greater hazard to anyone trying to use its instructions than to the public. Let Darwin have his way.

    5. Re:Not just the Anarchist Cookbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did someone say anal porn?

    6. Re:Not just the Anarchist Cookbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My dad knows had a school friend die attempting to follow the napalm recipe.

    7. Re:Not just the Anarchist Cookbook by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Back when I was a teenager, one of my cousins got a copy of the book. We looked through it, but weren't brave/stupid enough to try any of them. I heard later how bad the recipes were.

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    8. Re:Not just the Anarchist Cookbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's only partially true. Vice has tested out some of the recipes. They work to varying degrees of success.
      http://www.vice.com/video/anar...

      However, what is generally called "The Anarchist Cookbook" that is circulated on the Internet as text files is not the same as the real "Anarchist Cookbook" (which is still available on Amazon).

    9. Re:Not just the Anarchist Cookbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have the book. For some recipes it literally has a step like: and now pray it doesn't blow up in your face. And those recipes that seem to work, well perhaps with lab grade chemicals but when you start apply the "household substitutes" he lists even those are on a path for epic failure.

    10. Re:Not just the Anarchist Cookbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much if you actually want to blow stuff up, the army has published some very good manual on improvised explosives.

  7. Ugh by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 4, Funny

    So what time is the book burning? I've got a whole library to go through. We'll have to hunt down that cloud so we can stab it with pitchforks, though.

    1. Re:Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a freaky coincidence, I've just finished watching Fahrenheit 451. It is from 1966, with an outdated ambiance, but the core of the plot still haunt us IRL.

    2. Re:Ugh by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Senator Feinstein bears an uncanny resemblance to the hound.

  8. The better solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    is to ban Dianne Feinstein from Washington DC.

    Seriously, this woman's answer to every problem is to ban something. Make gramma go away.

    1. Re:The better solution by felrom · · Score: 2

      She has a long and vibrant history demonstrating her insatiable appetite for taking away ALL of your rights.

      She wants the NSA to spy on your email and web browsing. She wants books banned because she doesn't like them. She doesn't want you to be allowed to own a gun, while at the same time she's one of the privileged few who can legally carry a concealed weapon anywhere in California.

      Make no mistake: she is after all of your rights. And Californians LOVE her.

  9. Unlawful content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    With the new net-neutrality rules and the FCC's new powers to declare things unlawful content, it's not nearly the ridiculous idea it may have been a few years ago.

    1. Re:Unlawful content by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

      Are they going to have sweeping powers to break https so they can check the legality of all your web pages and downloads? Outlaw encryption?

    2. Re:Unlawful content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are they going to have sweeping powers to break https so they can check the legality of all your web pages and downloads? Outlaw encryption?

      Well, yes, that's what they've been asking for lately.
      I assume if they are saying they need to legalize doing that, then they are already doing that.

    3. Re:Unlawful content by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Are they going to have sweeping powers to break https so they can check the legality of all your web pages and downloads? Outlaw encryption?

      That's what they want. Have you been living under a rock?

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    4. Re:Unlawful content by lgw · · Score: 1

      "Going to have", future tense? That session key came from an NSA-approved RNG: the government reads what it wants. But mostly metadata is enough. "We kill people based on metadata", after all.

      The NSA records every phone call, and indexes by keywords. The NSA records at least the metadata from every browser session for everyone in a well-indexed DB. What's this "going to have" sweeping powers?

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  10. Inspire by a+whoabot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    She's also mentions Inspire Magazine.

    Inspire used to be edited and mainly authored by Samir Khan Samir Khan was an American citizen, convicted of no crime; he was never even indicted. He was assassinated on orders of Barack Obama along with Anwar al-Awlaki in 2011.

    So when these criminals like Feinstein talk about banning books, note they may also mean assassinating the authors.

    Land of the Free, Home of the Brave.

    1. Re:Inspire by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      You know he went to Yemin and created Inspire to actively recruit and train individuals in the US to build bombs in their mother's kitchens and teach them how to become suicide bombers. The entire thrust of his fucking rag was to justify mass murder against American citizens. Inspire's purpose was to inspire a jihad within the United States. This piece of shit turned traitor against not just his country but his own family. I've never really been a fan of President Obama but occasionally he does do good and when he decided to wipe this putrid piece of filth from this planet he did real good.

    2. Re:Inspire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Even then, he should have been brought in and tried in court. There is a distinct reason for due process. Once people think they can be judge and executioner all by themselves, that's when you've lost all moral high ground and that when the inevitable slip into an police state starts, because if people are fit to be judge and executioner, the laws need to reflect that as well. Say goodbye to democracy (although you probably missed it zipping through quite some time ago already).

    3. Re:Inspire by amiga3D · · Score: 2, Informative

      When American citizens leave the country and actively take part in what amounts to a war against their own country there is no requirement for a trial. If found in the company of enemy combatants they can be treated in the exact same manner as the enemy and treated as targets of opportunity. This has always been so. I agree that if he had returned we should have grabbed him and tried him for treason. He was, alas, in the company of Anwar al-Awlaki who was the actual target of the drone that killed Khan.

    4. Re:Inspire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of that means the parent you responded to was wrong, they are 100% right: the USA SHOULD HAVE OBEYED THE LAW, not routed round it.

      And your response is bullshit too. First, no declaration of war, therefore no histrionics about "what amounts to a war". Your founding fathers did precisely the same thing, and you idolise these people into demigods, any wonder you've taught your kids that REAL PATRIOTS wage war against a government they are told are evil. The only difference between this guy and the republican gun-nuts going on about how the president is not the president (he's muslim, not american, working for the enemy, whatever) is that one was helping to create a Muslim state and the others are helping to create a Christian state.

      Bugger all difference.

      There IS a need for trial. It's in your damn constitution! Hell, for all the whining about the UK, it's been part of the Statute of Queen Anne that you have the right to a jury of your peers before being arrayed for prosecution, YOU CANNOT EVEN BE FINED WITHOUT THE RIGHT TO A TRIAL!

      *IF* you were right, which you aren't, you would be a far more repressive country than any European one, even Turkey.

    5. Re:Inspire by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      She's also mentions Inspire Magazine.

      Inspire used to be edited and mainly authored by Samir Khan Samir Khan was an American citizen, convicted of no crime; he was never even indicted. He was assassinated on orders of Barack Obama along with Anwar al-Awlaki in 2011.

      So when these criminals like Feinstein talk about banning books, note they may also mean assassinating the authors.

      Land of the Free, Home of the Brave.

      Yes, down with America!

      Let's elect, oh, I don't know, a "progressive" who promises fundamental change. That'll fix it.

      Someone that Slashdot loves and endorses. What could go wrong?

    6. Re:Inspire by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Yeah thats not what the Constitution says. Unless they are on an ACTIVE battlefield, assassination IS NOT on the table. The problem with your position is that it ignores the Constitution regarding citizens. THe government is ABSOLUTELY forbidden from assassinations like this on the citizenry. They should have ARRESTED him, not executed.

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    7. Re:Inspire by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      They should have ARRESTED him, not executed.

      Perhaps, but he wasn't within the jurisdiction of the US, so how exactly would we have arrested him?

    8. Re:Inspire by rea1l1 · · Score: 1

      If you haven't noticed, the entire planet is within the jurisdiction of the US, de facto.

    9. Re:Inspire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When American citizens leave the country and actively take part in what amounts to a war against their own country there is no requirement for a trial.

      There's no requirement even when they reside in the USA, haven't you heard of the Gitmo detainments in the last 10 years?

      What's considered legal vs what the government can get away with are two different things entirely.

    10. Re:Inspire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eddie Snowden might disagree.

    11. Re:Inspire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You know he went to Yemin and created Inspire to actively recruit and train individuals in the US to build bombs in their mother's kitchens and teach them how to become suicide bombers.

      If only we had some established method of answering such questions of law and such questions of fact!

      I guess we have to rely on executive edict until someone comes up with such a method.

    12. Re:Inspire by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      If someone leaves the country and aides and abets the enemy of the country and actively participates in planning, training and recruitment of an armed force to fight and kill his countrymen then he is an enemy combatant. He wasn't in Yemin on fucking vacation.

    13. Re:Inspire by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I bet China might disagree with you. I know Putin does.

    14. Re:Inspire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was a key part of al-Qaeda and in his essay "44 Ways..." it is clear that he sees himself as part of a war, that he was living by the sword and that is how he died. If you don't like the rules of the game, walk away along a peaceful path.

  11. Overly vague statement by damn_registrars · · Score: 0
    The actual statement from her site:

    "I am particularly struck that the alleged bombers made use of online bombmaking guides like the Anarchist Cookbook and Inspire Magazine. These documents are not, in my view, protected by the First Amendment and should be removed from the Internet.

    It is notable that she did not say who should remove these from the internet, or how. I don't agree with the idea of censoring the material, but her statement is so incomplete that it is really hard to tell what she is trying to say.

    I know that here on slashdot she generally has an approval rating roughly on par with smallpox, but she could be given a little more slack on this statement.

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    1. Re: Overly vague statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry but even the statement without the Internet part is stupid. She is basically shocked that people used their knowledge to do something and it happened to be bad.

    2. Re:Overly vague statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does it mean to say that something is not protected by the First Amendment and should be removed from the Internet? I mean, sure, you can take "not protected by the First Amendment" to be totally unrelated to "should be removed from the Internet", but the most obvious interpretation is that the government will remove it from the Internet since it is not protected by one of those government law thingies.

    3. Re:Overly vague statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "These documents are not, in my view, protected by the First Amendment."

      Well, Sen. Feinstein. That should be news to the SCOTUS, whose job it is to determine things like that... not yours.

      Also, please point out the wording in the First Amendment that makes such exceptions. We'll be waiting. M'kay? Bye.

  12. Re:The Bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you realize how obvious this kind of shilling is?

  13. hostfile her by deadweight · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can I suggest we hostfile her computer so just about anything goes to a Barney The Dinosaur archive page or something. She will be happy and so will we.

    1. Re:hostfile her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not DNS? What is the HOSTS file you speak of? I'd like to know more!

    2. Re:hostfile her by CaseCrash · · Score: 1

      Do not summon him!

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  14. It's useless anyways by ArylAkamov · · Score: 2

    Setting aside how stupid this idea is, how stupid Feinstein is, and our first amendment rights: Most of the things in "The Anarchist Cookbook" simply do not work or have absolutely terrible methods. This is a book that tells you to dry gunpowder in a pot over an open flame. It also states that you can get high by smoking banana peels. It's utterly useless and there are plenty of resources out there if you want to learn how to make explosives. This is nothing but a publicity stunt, and a terrible one at that. I wonder if she realizes that most of us have the chemicals to make legitimate high explosives in our garages and bathrooms?

    1. Re:It's useless anyways by tsotha · · Score: 1

      That's what cracks me up about these kinds of stories. Of all the books to ban, the one that will get aspiring bomb makers to blow themselves up is not the one. Amazon carries much better books on the subject. Some were published by the US government, ironically.

    2. Re:It's useless anyways by mpe · · Score: 1

      Setting aside how stupid this idea is, how stupid Feinstein is, and our first amendment rights: Most of the things in "The Anarchist Cookbook" simply do not work or have absolutely terrible methods. This is a book that tells you to dry gunpowder in a pot over an open flame.

      I other words probably most dangerous to someone attempting to follow these instructions.

      It's utterly useless and there are plenty of resources out there if you want to learn how to make explosives.

      Especially explosives which have been around for more than a thousand years. I suspect that some of the better resources originate from military sources anyway.

      I wonder if she realizes that most of us have the chemicals to make legitimate high explosives in our garages and bathrooms?

      Not sure that legislators are required to have any knowlage of chemistry.

  15. Don't use that book anyway, very bad advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Anarchists Cookbook is simply a very bad book. Not bad because of the motives of those reading (generally), but bad because much of the instructions given in there are bad, sometimes dangerously so...

    Back when I was a kid, lets say "thinking" about playing around with this stuff, I quickly realized that things it were saying to do were really bad ideas. At the time I remember actually thinking it must have been put out by the CIA in an effort to thwart potential bombers, either by making devices that were as harmless as a bucket of water ranging up to self-selecting out of the gene pool very rapidly.

    So out of concern for others, I have to say there are way better sources of info if you look around.

    1. Re:Don't use that book anyway, very bad advice by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The Poor Man's James Bond isn't much better; some of the material is quite similar.

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  16. Needs tag by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 2

    "unclear on the concept!"

    1. Re:Needs tag by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      It is about banning ideas about rapid combustion. Current easiest method of self immolation, fuel air. Get large metal container and spark plug. Make hole in container filling cap for spark plug. Put some highly flammable fuel along with a bit of liquid detergent, screw on cap with spark plug fitted. Shake it on up, the more the merrier. Attach conductive wire to spark plug, stretch wire out and move out of range, and attach other end of wire to battery. Now that one is so old that I learned about it as a kid, nearly fifty years ago, really quite dangerous dependent upon size of container and the amount of fuel, no internet, no books, just school yard chatter and bravado. Now people would go all terrorists nuts.

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    2. Re:Needs tag by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That sounds dangerous. Also, as Slashdot now carries a bomb-recipe, it should be banned from the Internet.

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    3. Re:Needs tag by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Well, just move that comment to the Beta-only version, and then ban Beta.

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    4. Re:Needs tag by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      It was dangerous, quite a few injuries but then you would have to ban the new and primary schools. Kids will be kids, which is why the require proper adult supervision, including on the internet and I fully support the idea of a minor/school only internet running different encrypted protocols and access is strictly controlled. Minors do not belong on an internet meant for adults, the idea is stupid from the get go.

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  17. Damn Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh.

    Wait.

  18. Still sold in physical form. by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

    I saw it on a shelf at "the anarchist bookstore" about 10 years ago.

    1. Re:Still sold in physical form. by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 2

      The local Tower Records had a copy on sale there too. Back when they were around, that is...

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  19. Another fossil that doesn't know... by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    ... what the internet is in the first place. You can't stop ISIS from bragging about torturing people on the internet and this ignorant has been thinks she can ban a book from the internet?

    Just speak when spoken to Feinstein.

    Comments like hers are worse than that dumb comment about the internet being "tubes". That guy at least wasn't sitting there trying to hold a 21st century book burning.

    You think we've come farther and every so often you're reminded that vast portions of society including many people sadly in the halls of power are no different from our ignorant, hateful, shit covered ancestors.

    What a fucking disgrace. I can't wait until she's gone.

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    1. Re:Another fossil that doesn't know... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      It's not about how tuned in she is to new(er) stuff like Teh Interwebz. This is a classic case of lefty "The First Amendment Doesn't Apply When We Don't Like It." That little corner of the constitution is even older than she is. No excuses for talking wistfully about book banning, or Harry Reid's use of the senate floor to escape libel laws when just plain profoundly lying about someone he doesn't want to see elected. That particular Reid episode was disgraceful, and you might think he'd have come to regret it, but a reporter just asked him about it the other day, and with the smuggest possible expression on his face, he essentially said, "My guy won, right?"

      It's not about how old either of those two are. It's a character issue.

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    2. Re:Another fossil that doesn't know... by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      True... there are a lot of slimy people in office.

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  20. "Removed From The Internet" by jargonburn · · Score: 1

    Hahahahaha hahahahaHAha ahahaha AHAha! Ha.

    1. Re:"Removed From The Internet" by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Oh wait, you're serious! Then let me laugh even harder!

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  21. it should have one of those warning lables by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 1

    because you'll poke your eyes out with that shit. it's very dangerous

  22. Re:The Bitch by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

    What IS the point of comments like that anyway?

  23. Streisand Effect! by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 2

    I wonder how many copies of The Anarchist's Cookbook sold this week!

    It is not hard to make dangerous things that go boom. Heck, some of the things that I blew up behind my garage when I was 13 would probably send me to Gitmo now. Believe it or not, that doesn't make me a terrorist.

    Maybe it would be smarter to examine why people might want to make bombs and kill people, and work to make a world where people don't want to make bombs and kill people, even if the The Anarchist's Cookbook was on every coffee table in the world.

    The War in Terror, just like the War on Drugs, will not be won simply by "just saying No". Until human motivations are examined, it will all be a horrendous waste of life, effort, and resources for no gain.

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    1. Re:Streisand Effect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it would be smarter to examine why people might want to make bombs and kill people, and work to make a world where people don't want to make bombs and kill people, even if the The Anarchist's Cookbook was on every coffee table in the world.

      The War in Terror, just like the War on Drugs, will not be won simply by "just saying No". Until human motivations are examined, it will all be a horrendous waste of life, effort, and resources for no gain.

      Well, that's easy... we do it because there is immense profit in making bombs and killing people, and it can all be paid for on the backs of the citizens. Even if said citizens have no problem with the people being bombed, it doesn't matter - besides, we're the #1 weapons exporter in the world, so not only do we make profit on our own weapons we use to bomb people, but we sell bombs to everyone else so they can make their way into the hands of our 'enemies' and we can have an excuse to bomb them.

      I mean, let's be honest, the whole idea of saying you're only interested in "peace" while being the #1 arms exporter in the world is a bit ludicrous don't you think? In fact if you compare a list of the top arms exporters in the world vs the members of the UN "Security Council" you'd find they're mostly the same... is selling arms to the world really good for "security"?

    2. Re:Streisand Effect! by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Making things go boom isn't terrorism, but it's treated as such. Reading books about how things could be made to go boom isn't terrorism. Intent is behind terrorism more than any amount of relevant knowledge.

      Every driver, however, has a terrorist tool at their hands. You can buy bottles of gas for a pittance. You can't stop the tools because the tools are so damn simple and cheap and basically include every compact source of energy we have and use (I'm waiting for the first electric battery / supercapacitor terrorist, but the energy density is probably still too low to do anything but blow your own head off).

      Terrorism is designed to invite terror. To make you fear the people doing it.

      By doing what we're doing as a planet now - making terror so terrifying and then beaming it into every home - we're basically playing right into their hands. One guy, with one simple device can make the news worldwide. Even if it's a complete botch (I'll say "shoe bomber", you tell me if you've heard of him, now tell me why you now have to take shoes off in airport security when you NEVER used to have to).

      Want to defeat terrorism? Stop giving a shit about them.

      The UK was dealing with terrorists willing to bomb cities and bring down planes since the 70's (and a lot further back than that because we were arseholes). We learned how to deal with them - ignore them. Don't stop catching them, but just make their efforts have so little impact that - in this case - they give up the terrorism and become politicians.

      IRA bombings in the UK (and London especially) only invited comments like "Fuck, I'll be late for work now" or "Does anyone know which buses are still running?" Stop terrorism being terrifying and you're just some pillock who blew himself up.

      It's the same with historical "terrorism". We're all scared of Nazi's and Naziist groups. Want to destroy them overnight? Change the international symbol for toilet to a swastika, and label it a "Nazi". "Where's the Nazi, I need a shit?" Instantly destroys the power in the word and the association it has.

      But, no, places like France and Germany continue - over FIFTY YEARS LATER - to ban Nazi-related items. It's a Streisand effect. The best part of my walking-tour of Berlin I did a few years ago - they stop outside a building with a car park. They tell you that's where Hitler's bunker was. You're so fucking terrifying, your legacy is under a car park, mate.

      People don't know how to deal with terrorists because they are far too self-centered. "What if *I* was blown up?" Fuck that, what if we allow people to get infamy so easily just because they tried to blow other people up? What if we make terrorism so terrifying they are instantly heroes for our enemies and we cower in fear of them? What if we spend billions on a international manhunt for one man in the public eye proving that MILLIONS of people are scared of one man who did nothing noteworthy himself but orchestrated others? What if we live in a world where terrorists get on the news and science doesn't? Fuck THAT.

      Terrorists are cocks. And we're pandering to their media whims, like fucking dickheads. Want to see a proper reaction to terrorism?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      You beat terrorists by removing the terror. Then they have nothing left.

    3. Re:Streisand Effect! by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      The genie is already out of the box. It won't stop the real terrorists, but it will keep the knowledge off limits for the general public so it may actually take longer to discover a terrorist. If people forget that they should look out for people stashing a ton of fertilizer for their 1/2 acre land we know it's just going to get worse.

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    4. Re:Streisand Effect! by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      I'll say "shoe bomber", you tell me if you've heard of him

      Yep, I remember him quite well. Do you know what I remember most about him? How he looked dazed, bruised, and bloodied as he was led off the plane. The real impression he made on me was this: after 9/11, anyone who tries to hijack or destroy a plane in flight is now almost certain to get the shit beaten out of them by angry passengers who have determined that it's better to take their chances and fight back. Hell, that alone makes me feel a hell of a lot more confident about airline security than any of the on-ground screenings.

      Anyhow, I truly wish this would end the perception that it's always Conservatives/Republicans with the idiotic knee-jerk "ban it / censor it" reactions. It seems to happen just as often on the left as it does with the right, and it's stupid in both cases.

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    5. Re:Streisand Effect! by Cederic · · Score: 1

      So his inability to detonate the bomb he successfully smuggled onto the aircraft led the other passengers to twat him.

      Not sure how that gives you warm fuzzy feelings, if he'd been successful there'd have been nothing to twat.

    6. Re:Streisand Effect! by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      There's always a chance that someone will figure out a new method of getting a weapon on board, so let's just say I prefer a strategy of defense in depth. What's encouraging to me is that passengers are willing to take responsibility and fight for their own safety. That fact will also tend to discourage attempted hijackings, making the skies safer for everyone.

      Does that sound like illogical reasoning to you? Maybe it is. I suppose perhaps I just like it when ordinary people fight back and win against people trying to do harm to others.

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    7. Re:Streisand Effect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are really *really* missing a lot there.

      You didn't stop the IRA by ignoring them, not even close. The decommissioning of weapons came about after the good friday agreement giving rights to catholics in northern ireland.

      The IRA are still active now with ~400 active participating members, mostly between two groups (RIRA, NIRA). Genuine bombs are still being planted here, in Belfast Derry and Dublin. The UVF and UFF are still active and they were easily as bad as the IRA, you just didn't hear about it because they were targetting Irish catholics in Ireland. Membership of the IRA would be huge if the political landscape had not changed in the late 90's. ex RUC members are still targetted, NI Police are still targetted. Punishment beatings continue to this day.

      Ignoring terrorists is pretty fucking stupid, there is a reason they are terrorists and if you do not face up to that and fix the underlying issues then it will continue - that is what changed in Ireland. The underlying issues were addressed to the point where the majority were happy, only the hardline extremists continue.

      The IRA enjoy massive support in Ireland to this day, most of my peers would be supporters. They smashed both my legs in 2001 and left me with a permanent limp and gimpy leg, so obviously I hate the fuckers, but do not stick your head in the sand and pretend that ignoring these people will magically take away their contempt for you and their ability to hurt you. It won't.

    8. Re:Streisand Effect! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      The IRA enjoy massive support in Ireland to this day, most of my peers would be supporters. They smashed both my legs in 2001 and left me with a permanent limp and gimpy leg, so obviously I hate the fuckers, but do not stick your head in the sand and pretend that ignoring these people will magically take away their contempt for you and their ability to hurt you. It won't.

      As a personal victim of the IRA, clearly you are not going to see eye-to-eye with them.

      What is the other solution? Kill them all?

      Actually, it might be, it has been done before, Hitler was not original in his ideas at all.

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      So what do we do about radical Islam? Perhaps reduce the world's population by 3 billion?

      I make no claims to knowing the answers, only to knowing that some behavior is unacceptable. It is a shame that we don't make it more clear to those doing it just how unacceptable it is.

    9. Re:Streisand Effect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you can't kill them all. You kill one and his brothers, sons, nephews all sign up in his place.
      I probably didn't make it clear but I am against these groups regardless of what happened to me personally. I agree with your sentiment of going about your business best you can and not letting these assholes have any power over you, this is a lot easier said from a distance than when they are living among you though.

      What it will not do is fix anything. To fix it you need to address the underlying issues.

      Muslim extremism is religious, I have no idea how to approach that. The troubles in Ireland had/have nothing to do with religion and never had. The IRA are not religious. They fight because they live under british rule that they do not recognise, and were treated like absolute shit with no rights under that british rule. Changing that and bringing in powersharing, joint nationality and protection of personal rights and property rights fixed it for most people.

    10. Re:Streisand Effect! by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I will take your shoe bomber and raise you one underwear bomber! I also like your idea for killing the Nazi-myth.

      Seriously, you are exactly right. The problem here is that most people are stupid sheep and those in power have a lot to gain from spreading fear. A strong "external" enemy is still the best thing to hide leadership incompetence and screw-ups. Currently, "terrorism" serves nicely in that function as having large-scale wars is not really economically feasible anymore.

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    11. Re:Streisand Effect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe this was just some reverse psychology. The Anarchists Cookbook is far from the best guide to this sort of thing, so maybe she was trying to get the sales boosted so all the wanna-bes can blow themselves up.

    12. Re:Streisand Effect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe me my friend. That so-called Muslim extremism is not religious either. That religion is only used as an tool by those that want to have power and territory.

      Only the fools that think they end up in heaven surrounded by barbie dolls if they blow themselves up -might- be religious, but the "brains" behind it all? They are just power-hungry manipulators that only believe in their own "Forth Reich"...

    13. Re:Streisand Effect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What knowledge?
      Anybody who has had basic chemistry lessons in school, deoes know how to make things go boom.

    14. Re:Streisand Effect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US power structure uses fear to manipulate. I remember that somehow a terror alert would come out whenever Bush the lesser was in some sort of strife, time and again. In Australia, Abbot used this to soften opposition to the recent data surveillance act (which he started immediately after a visit to Obama; not a subtle man, Abbot).

  24. Clearly, she is a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dim-witted anti-science tech-phobic religious nutjob Republican.... oh....wait....she's a liberal Democrat from San Francisco....

    War on Women! War on Women! if you say anything negative about her, you are waging a War on Women!

    Are you still there and still being critical of her? you are probably a RACIST and/or a HOMOPHOBE!

    RACIST! RACIST! HOMOPHOBE! HOMOPHOBE!

    She's a Democrat, so the press will not grill her about anything (they covered for her in the last election cycle when she refused most interviews and all debates and never got ANY significant challenge from all the Democrats who run the press in CA). Her supporters just need to accuse any critic or questioner of being anti-woman, ant-gay or a racist and the press will follow that cue and her supporters will forgiver her for ANYTHING she does.

    1. Re:Clearly, she is a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn man, sit down and shut the fuck up. Stupid is stupid, it doesn't matter what party they belong to.

    2. Re:Clearly, she is a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feinstein is an island all to herself.

      Speaking as a lifelong Democrat, I didn't vote for her when I lived in California because I was appalled at her poor grasp of law and the Constitution.

    3. Re:Clearly, she is a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you vote for Obama?

    4. Re:Clearly, she is a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid is stupid, it doesn't matter what party they belong to.

      Actually it does. Stupid is only criticized and ridiculed when it comes from (R)s.

    5. Re:Clearly, she is a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, no. I voted for a third-party candidate because of Obama's flip-flop on FISA extension as a senator. But if there had been any chance of McCain winning Cali, I would have clothespinned my nose and voted for my party's nominee.

      As a Democrat, I'm not very satisfied with Obama's performance, though I think he's done a reasonable job given the Republican obstructionism he's faced. I don't like the ACA much and there's been very little of the "change" he promised on the campaign trail, but I he wasn't really about change when he selected Biden as his running mate. That just screamed "status quo."

    6. Re:Clearly, she is a by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Thank you for replying. I couldn't stand McCain either. He was against all the conservative issues (a real maverick) two years before running for the presidency, but became Mr. Conservative for the campaign. Oh, and all we were told was that he was a war hero and a POW (did I mention he was a Vietnam POW war hero?), rather than any meaningful details or personal stances.

        I disagree on Obama's performance, and its causes/obstacles, but everyone has their own view.

      Also good to see more third-party voters, for any reason. I voted Green party last time, really liked their candidate.

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    7. Re:Clearly, she is a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, that's right! He was a POW wasn't he? :)

      I really wish I could vote my conscience in every election, but I'm a pragmatic voter and having a candidate who can win is a big consideration. That's one reason I don't want Hillary to get the nomination; I don't believe there's any way she can win the presidency.

      If we're serious about third party candidates having a chance at winning, we need to institute weighted voting or instant runoff elections. Otherwise we will continue with this stupid partisan two-party lesser-of-two-evils charade indefinitely.

  25. plug the tube! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's very possible according to congressional logic. Since we know the internet is a series of tubes, we just need to clog up the tube that this book is in. We just need to give the NSA more money and less scrutiny, they can probably find the right tube.

    $10 in bitcoins to whomever stenographies the ACB into a pic of Feinstein and gets it to be the top hit on google images.

  26. Consummate politician by Dan+East · · Score: 2

    I would expect nothing less of a true politician. Whether it's the small town politician slapping down even more stop signs after an accident occurred, a school board politician enacting rule after rule that parents and students must jump through in order to protect the school board from litigation, or a senator talking about "removing" a 40+ year old book from the internet, they all have one thing in common: doing things for the sake of being seen doing things, as if they have solutions or actual control over things they do not. It's all about the image. Smoke and mirrors.

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  27. easy to do with hostfiles! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All we have to do is require everyone to add hostfile entries for the url results of searchs for "cookbook" to point to 127.0.0.1

  28. Joe Rogan quote from old "Newsradio" TV show by rwyoder · · Score: 4, Funny

    "You can't take something *off* the Internet; That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool!"

    1. Re:Joe Rogan quote from old "Newsradio" TV show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My job's main function is to remove pee from water. It's not that hard.

    2. Re:Joe Rogan quote from old "Newsradio" TV show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. That's why you pull the plug on the pool and refill it with clean water. Sort of wanting to have a kill switch for the internet, which no one in the administration has suggested should be in their arsenal.. for fighting terrorism.

    3. Re:Joe Rogan quote from old "Newsradio" TV show by inflamed · · Score: 2

      My job's main function is to remove pee from water. It's not that hard.

      So you're a kidney?

    4. Re:Joe Rogan quote from old "Newsradio" TV show by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      How do you distinguish the pee-water from the pool-water?

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    5. Re:Joe Rogan quote from old "Newsradio" TV show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it isn't. Removing pee is trivial. If your water is balanced, raise the Free Chlorine level to 10ppm. The urea molecules are literally ripped apart by atomic oxidation, and the result is amazingly clear water. If the internet worked like this, there would be nothing left. I think the analogy you were looking for is "unscramble an egg." At least a lot harder than cleaning a swim pool.

    6. Re:Joe Rogan quote from old "Newsradio" TV show by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

      Oh, man, what this says about homeopathy.

  29. Remove all books about religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same reason.

    And burn all the paper copies.

  30. Re:The Bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should be locked in a padded room with a suitable dosage of medication every 8 hours, and a regular therapy schedule.

  31. They couldn't stop the AACS cryptographic key by ckatko · · Score: 1

    What the hell makes you think they could stop a textfile even if they tried?

    1. Re:They couldn't stop the AACS cryptographic key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Slashdotters think the idea is a huge joke. We couldn't in effect ban this even if we tried. Duh.

      Yet you dipshits think guns can removed from society.

    2. Re:They couldn't stop the AACS cryptographic key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Slashdotters think the idea is a huge joke. We couldn't in effect ban this even if we tried. Duh.

      Yet you dipshits think guns can removed from society.

      Right, those loony Slashdotters, all marching in lockstep...

      Wait, no, you're insane. The only thing we all agree on is how terrible Beta was.

    3. Re:They couldn't stop the AACS cryptographic key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing I like least about lefties is that you guys are never honest. But the thing I like most about you people is that it's so easy to trick you into verifying the truth about you. Just present a claim, and then sit back and wait for the response. How much it upset you is indicated by how ridiculous you try to make it sound.

    4. Re:They couldn't stop the AACS cryptographic key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing I like least about lefties is that you guys are never honest.

      It's awfully convenient when your initial premise is to utterly deny the possibility of good faith.

      But the thing I like most about you people is that it's so easy to trick you into verifying the truth about you.

      2nd amendment advocate speaking. What truth would that be, now? The one which has you treating {people-who-frequent-Slashdot} as a homogenous ideological bloc, or...
      Oh, right: the one where I'm a liar. Well shucks, you got me.

      Just present a claim, and then sit back and wait for the response. How much it upset you is indicated by how ridiculous you try to make it sound.

      So not upset; so not trying. Oh, but damn, there's that pesky dishonesty again. Gosh, I keep forgetting. ...really, how does communication work in your world? How can it?

  32. Polititian doesn't understand the internet by rebelwarlock · · Score: 1

    News at 11.

    1. Re:Polititian doesn't understand the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      considering how often this shit happens in western world, its more likely they understand it allright but in order to control it they demand impossible shit and we end up running white-listing internet...

  33. First attack 2nd amend, and then 1st amend by drnb · · Score: 1

    Given her predilection to ignore the bill of rights with respect to the 2nd amendment, why is anyone surprised when she also does so with the 1st amendment?

    Or more generally, why is anyone surprised when a member of Congress is willing to ignore one right when it inconveniently runs counter to their political ideals, and then later does so with another right? Either a politician supports Constitutional rights or the don't, and when they don't what they allow you to keep is simply a happy coincidence. Until they change their mind, or are replaced with someone of more extreme or different political ideals who shows similar disregard for our rights.

    1. Re:First attack 2nd amend, and then 1st amend by AaronW · · Score: 1

      To understand her position you need to understand where she's coming from. She's probably one of the few politicians to have seen gun violence first hand. She was there when the SF Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk were assassinated. She grabbed Harvey Milk's wrist to check for a pulse and her finger entered one of Milk's bullet wounds and was badly shaken by the event.

      See the Moscone Milk Assassinations.

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    2. Re:First attack 2nd amend, and then 1st amend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. That is why her position on guns is so centrist. She wants to ban all of those damn things which is what the vast majority of the public agrees with. No one wants guns. No one things you have the right to have one of those damn things. She is a DINO wrt her belief that people that own one of those things shouldn't be put in prison. All of those people need to be put in prison. By not agreeing with that, she has proven herself to be nothing other than the typical Republican.

    3. Re:First attack 2nd amend, and then 1st amend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She has been critical of the 4th as well. Strong defender of the NSA.

      To her we are all children who cannot be trusted alone at home. The Gov will save us from making bad choices and will protect us form monsters under the bed.

  34. Dianne Stands For Knowledge Is Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dianne and her husband have substantial financial interest and investment in Iran.

    Getting a DEAL ... Any DEAL ... enriches them in billions of dollars annually ... and enslaves every other USA citizen to slavery to the new LORD ... Old LORD ... Persia.

    I have words for US Reo, Her Majesty Der Mother Mrs. Dianne Feinstein ... THIS IS SPARTA!

  35. I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter what she says or does she'll continue to get elected. Just like Nancy Pelosi who despite the fact she says and does things that make her supporters cringe will continue to return to congress.

    I am not a USian. I am not familiar with your kind of politics

    But I *am* curious

    How come proven liars such as Pelosi and Feinstein keep on getting re-elected despite all the goddamn things that they have done?

    Are the USian voters so damn stupid?

    1. Re:I do not understand by haruchai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Are the USian voters so damn stupid?"

      Yes, they are, almost all of them, no matter who they vote for.

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    2. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      The accepted noun for a citizen of the United States is "American." It is used in sources ranging from Wikipedia to Websters to CIA's World Factbook.

      The answer to your question is complicated and would require an explanation of the American electoral process that is likely to be lost on you. Suffice it to say, we're not the only democracy where idiots regularly win elections. It happens in all of them.

    3. Re:I do not understand by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Informative

      They don't have to be liars either, they can just be incredibly dumb and still get re-elected.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      For democrats, it mainly comes down to the belief that their guy will give them free stuff (money for nothing, chicks for free.)

      For republicans, it mainly comes down to "is he conservative enough" without any clear definition of what "conservative" actually is. The British equivalent (if you're from there) would be that they want to make sure he's a True Scottsman.

    4. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the tl;dr of that: The other guy is much worse.

    5. Re:I do not understand by compro01 · · Score: 1

      How come proven liars such as Pelosi and Feinstein keep on getting re-elected despite all the goddamn things that they have done?

      Because the alternatives presented by the other party are even worse, and due to the way the system was set up, both originally and by the changes made via the 17th amendment (which made senators elected, rather than appointed by the state legislatures), it's all but impossible for anyone not of the current major parties to get in (it's difficult enough for them to even get on the ballot).

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    6. Re:I do not understand by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      Pelosi district is San Francisco. Registration is 8.6% Republican.

      Democrats could run anyone and they will win. The Green candidate is a more viable candidate.

      State is 30% Republican overall, so there is a slim-but-unlikely chance of getting a Statewide Republican candidate to win.

       

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    7. Re:I do not understand by The+Rizz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For democrats, it mainly comes down to the belief that their guy will give them free stuff (money for nothing, chicks for free.)

      No, for Democrats it comes down to hoping that they'll make the hard/unpopular choices of keeping the environment clean, protecting citizens' rights in the face of "for the children" and "or the terrorists win" crap, etc.. Unfortunately, they (like the Republicans) are typically more interested in getting corporate sponsorships to get re-elected, and will generally sell out everything they pretend to believe in to get it.

      For republicans, it mainly comes down to "is he conservative enough" without any clear definition of what "conservative" actually is.

      That sounds pretty accurate.

    8. Re: I do not understand by znrt · · Score: 0, Troll

      The accepted noun for a citizen of the United States is "American." It is used in sources ranging from Wikipedia to Websters to CIA's World Factbook.

      quoted from the wiki (emphasis mine):

      In modern English, Americans generally refers to residents of the United States; among native English speakers this usage is almost universal, with any other use of the term requiring specification.[1] However, this default use has been the source of controversy, particularly among Latin Americans, who feel that using the term solely for the United States misappropriates it.[2][3] They argue instead that "American" should denote persons or things from anywhere in North, Central or South America, not just the United States, which is only a part of North America.

      and who would give a fuck about the cia's world factbook (besides some really stubborn usian :D)

      if you don't mind, i will continue to use "american" as related to anything in "america", even though "america" doesn't mean what you think it means.

    9. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, this default use has been the source of controversy, particularly among Latin Americans, who feel that using the term solely for the United States misappropriates it.

      There is no controversy about it, that part was made up for Wikipedia.

      The USA is the only country with the word "America" in its name. If another country decides to use it, then we can figure out who gets called what.

    10. Re: I do not understand by Dread_ed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It works like this:

      American politicians have worked for decades to decode the U.S. voter and their habits. They spend millions of dollars annually on "focus groups" and "mock votes" in order to successfully determine the most advantageous avenues to manipulate the electorate into supporting them in their efforts to remove rights from the electorate, disenfranchise the electorate, and more firmly establish the elected as a modern day aristocracy in spite of US law and constitutional impetus. Look up "wedge issue" to see how the party leadership will use specific issues to fracture a voting block and turn them against each other. Watch how each party incites their proscribed demographic to feel threatened by others. Note how politicians play at fighting the other party, but vote as a whole when presented with an opportunity to curtail, circumvent, or remove rights guaranteed to the people by the constitution and/or bill of rights. And pay special attention to the media mouthpieces when they call out their leaders on their faults. It provides a voice for people's recognition of total incongruity on the part of their leaders, but by voicing it the supporters' ire is assuaged and they go merrily and sheepishly back to fighting the opposition and completely forget to hold their leaders accountable.

      In America there are two political parties. They are not liberal and conservative. They are not Republican and Democrat. They are simply the elected and the electorate. Anyone who forgets this or fails to see it, at any time, is a pawn, a sheep...and therefore untrustworthy, compromised. They are exactly equal to those religious people that atheists and sceptics so vociferously condemn. They have lost control of their intellect and sacrificed their freedom and judgement in pursuit of an empty purse. They cannot be trusted even with their own self interest, much less the advancement of society as a whole.

      So, welcome to America, where Rome is burning and all anyone does is comment on how good it looks in HD. Stay away if you value your sanity, your freedom, and your connection to humanity.

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    11. Re: I do not understand by Dave+Emami · · Score: 1

      and who would give a fuck about the cia's world factbook (besides some really stubborn usian :D)

      if you don't mind, i will continue to use "american" as related to anything in "america", even though "america" doesn't mean what you think it means.

      As with many words, it has more than one meaning, depending on the subject you're discussing. When you're talking about nationality -- which was clearly the case -- "Americans" means people who live in the United States. If you're talking about geography, it means people who live in either North or South America. Since there are far more topics of discussion that apply to everybody in the US than apply to everybody living on both continents (time zones, maybe? plate tectonics?), the former is used.

      That's not just an American thing. Most people think of their location in terms of political entities rather than geography. Perhaps you should go to a pub in Ireland and tell them that they're British, since they live in the British Isles. The results might be amusing. That goes for smaller political entities as well, unless there's some well-known landmark that locals refer to. If you ask me where I live, I'm going to answer "Las Vegas, Nevada" not "at the base of the Spring Mountains range, in the Mojave Desert."

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    12. Re:I do not understand by amiga3D · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There are plenty of people on both the left and right who believe deeply in their causes. Sadly few of these people seem to be in public office. As a conservative I believe in the least amount of government possible. The so called conservatives in office grow the fucking government at every opportunity. As a conservative I believe in individual freedom and responsibility. The so called conservatives in office believe in a police state. Hell, they're so fucked up they might as well be Democrats.

    13. Re:I do not understand by Dave+Emami · · Score: 3, Insightful

      protecting citizens' rights in the face of "for the children"

      Democrats are just as willing to use that canard, they just use it to support violation of different rights than Republicans do. For example, this, or just as a general magic phrase to demand access to your wallet.

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    14. Re:I do not understand by AK+Marc · · Score: 0, Troll

      How come proven liars such as Pelosi

      proven liar? I did a quick search, and most of what I could find is opinion stated as fact that Glen Beck and other right-wing extremists objected to, calling opinions lies.

      Given that you claim you aren't in the US, I'd recommend that you follow fewer conservative blogs for your "news".

      I am not a USian. I am not familiar with your kind of politics

      Are the USian voters so damn stupid?

      You don't know anything about Americans (including the proper term for them), yet are an expert in stupidity. Is that because it takes one to know one?

    15. Re: I do not understand by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      As with many words, it has more than one meaning, depending on the subject you're discussing. When you're talking about nationality -- which was clearly the case -- "Americans" means people who live in the United States. If you're talking about geography, it means people who live in either North or South America. Since there are far more topics of discussion that apply to everybody in the US than apply to everybody living on both continents (time zones, maybe? plate tectonics?), the former is used.

      Not in American English, nor to most native speakers of British English. Only the areas which have a false cognate with a single-continent definition of North and South America have any confusion.

      It's unambiguous. North America and South America are *never* called "America" in American English, and only incorrectly in British English. The correct term for the two referred to as one is "The Americas".

    16. Re: I do not understand by Time_Ngler · · Score: 0

      Then what about "European"? Is that a free land grab for the next Democratic Republic of Europe or some such?

    17. Re:I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, for Democrats it comes down to hoping that they'll make the hard/unpopular choices of keeping the environment clean, protecting citizens' rights in the face of "for the children" and "or the terrorists win" crap, etc.. Unfortunately, they (like the Republicans) are typically more interested in getting corporate sponsorships to get re-elected, and will generally sell out everything they pretend to believe in to get it.

      Congrats, you are part of the problem. Most politicians are full of shit, regardless of party. Oddly enough for the state-level elections the Republicans are often less full of shit, I assume because they know they won't win and can therefore be more honest. And if people would bother to research the candidates during the primary we do get some great options (of all parties), but they are lucky to get 5% of the votes because people are too lazy to do research beyond reading their junk mail and the junk mail is sent by the candidates with the most money.

    18. Re: I do not understand by znrt · · Score: 0

      Most people think of their location in terms of political entities rather than geography.

      there are examples of the opposite. people in canary islands, for example, refer to themselves as "canarios", not "spanish". that makes sense, however, because the term isn't inaccurate.

      That's not just an American thing.

      can you remember any other instance where the name of a whole continent is appropriated by a single country as "nationality"? thought so. you should be able to understand how nonsensical this looks from anywhere outside united states. i know that this is customary in the states, but you guys should also note that this is the internets where you are being read.

    19. Re: I do not understand by pollarda · · Score: 1

      It is pretty simple really. Sometimes people loose sight of the goalpost in defense of their team. Harry Reed put it best in regards to Bill Clinton. At the time Bill Clinton had been accused of sexual harassment (Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey), rape (Juanita Broderick), having an affair with an intern (Monica Lewinsky), and multiple affairs. To this Harry Reed said: "He may be a bastard but he is OUR bastard."

    20. Re: I do not understand by geogob · · Score: 1

      And christian thought Jerusalem was the center of the world. Things changed much in the last 1500 years... or maybe not that much.

    21. Re:I do not understand by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      As long as the alternative is even worse, it's not hard to stay in office.

      Getting elected in the US is like running away from a lion. You needn't be exceptionally good to be elected, likewise, you needn't be exceptionally fast to escape a lion hunting you.

      You just have to be faster/better than the other guy.

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    22. Re:I do not understand by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I prefer a two dimensional political spectrum like the Nolan Chart to the simplistic left-right view. Mostly because the US doesn't have a "left" party. And it makes seeing the problem much easier. Basically what you have is two parties who agree on giving you little personal freedom with their main difference being whether economy should be free or regulated.

      Basically what you have is two parties who want to regulate the living crap out of you while offering you the choice between getting dicked over by unfettered corporations or whether you want to hang yourself with the bureaucracy's red tape.

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    23. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if george had had a monica, there would be no isis today

    24. Re: I do not understand by tburkhol · · Score: 2

      can you remember any other instance where the name of a whole continent is appropriated by a single country as "nationality"? thought so. you should be able to understand how nonsensical this looks from anywhere outside united states. i know that this is customary in the states, but you guys should also note that this is the internets where you are being read.

      Afrikaners appear to have 'appropriated' an entire continent.

      Please to remember that the United States of America began as a federation of largely independent countries, rather like the Holy Roman Empire or the nations of the Italian Peninsula prior to the Resurgence. Not unlike the European Union. There are an awful lot of countries whose formal name includes something like "Federal Republic of" or "People's Republic of," but no one's going around insisting to call residents of Berlin "bundesrepublicers," even though there is a lot of Germanic territory outside the borders of Germany. In 100 years, there will be a lot of people calling themselves "Europeans," because they're part of the EU, even though EU boundaries will not coincide with continental boundaries.

      Please remember you're reading this part of "the internets" in English and that English idioms, such as "American" for residents of the United States of America, may not translate literally into your native tongue any more sensibly than the converse. Unless you think "Voy a hacer changuitos" actually means "I'll make little monkeys." The rest of us will go on calling residents of the USA "Americans," residents of the ESM "Mexicans," and residents of the RF "French," when writing in English.

    25. Re: I do not understand by tylikcat · · Score: 1

      When my father spent time in Hungary, Usa (Usan in its adjectival sense, at least around our house) was a pretty common term, and I've always liked it because of its specificity. Imagine how confusing it would be if citizens of German called themselves Europeans, and citizens of any other country in Europe winced and gave their country of origin if anyone called them European?

      "American" for US residents may be common usage, but common usage is in this case stupid and confusing.

    26. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "if you don't mind, i will continue to use "american" as related to anything in "america" Please don't. I'm Canadian thanks and we would be more than a little confused if you referred to us as "American." You're being dense if you really think American means anything other than a resident of the USA.

    27. Re:I do not understand by tylikcat · · Score: 1

      "...with their main difference being whether economy should be free or regulated."

      And a freakish obsession over people's sex lives.* Which I realize might not seem super important if it's not your sex life on the block - I mean, really, it *shouldn't* be a big deal I get that - but holy fuck.

      * I am including in this all the increasing weirdness about prosecuting women for having miscarriages and other crazy shit.

    28. Re: I do not understand by Dave+Emami · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most people think of their location in terms of political entities rather than geography.

      there are examples of the opposite. people in canary islands, for example, refer to themselves as "canarios", not "spanish". that makes sense, however, because the term isn't inaccurate.

      Point taken, but in that case, their term is more specific and helps distinguish them from a larger group -- the exact opposite of the way you want to use "Americans." And you'll note that they do not call themselves "Africans" despite their islands being geographically part of that continent.

      That's not just an American thing.

      can you remember any other instance where the name of a whole continent is appropriated by a single country as "nationality"? thought so.

      The Republic of India, generally called "India" and whose citizens are generally called "Indians", despite sharing the subcontinent of India with Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka. Do you call the citizens of the Republic of India "RoIans"?

      Besides which, the idea that it's an "appropriation" is silly. Next to no one uses it that way in everyday conversation or refers to themselves primarily that way, because it doesn't tell you anything useful about them. If I tell you someone is an American in the nationality sense, that lets you make some generalizations about them -- you know he probably speaks English, you know to a degree what kind of food he eats, what TV shows he watches, who the leader of his country is, etc. (Feel free to snark if you wish here). If I use it in the geographic sense, it tells me... what, exactly, besides the tautology that they live on either the North American or South American continent? That they set their clocks between UTC-3 and UTC-11? Heck, just telling me if a person lives north or south of the equator tells me more about where they live than saying that they live in the Americas.

      In short, when a word has multiple meanings, people naturally gravitate towards the meaning that's most useful. Referring to someone as an American in the sense you want to use it is only slightly more useful than telling me they're a Terran.

      you should be able to understand how nonsensical this looks from anywhere outside united states.

      i know that this is customary in the states, but you guys should also note that this is the internets where you are being read.

      It's used that way in plenty of other countries, including Canadians, who would have as much right to be annoyed by the supposed "appropriation" as anyone else. My impression is that they're proud of their demonym and have no great yearning to lump themselves in with a couple dozen other countries by calling themselves "Americans."

      Furthermore, at a guess I'd expect that "American" in the nationality sense came into common man-on-the-street usage (as opposed to political tracts or whatnot) outside the US before it did so inside it, because for the first 75 years -- prior to the US Civil War -- most people here tended to designate themselves and others by their state rather than national identity. They didn't primarily think and speak of themselves as Americans but as Virginians, Vermonters, Ohioans, Kentuckians, etc.

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    29. Re:I do not understand by tmosley · · Score: 2

      It's not so much that they are stupid as they are caught in a sort of (I suspect purposefully designed) prisoner's dilemma. They get to vote on who will be "their" warden, and only get fed according to the seniority of their warden. Thus, it pays to keep a sadistic nutjob in office once they have any seniority at all. If they don't, then they starve.

      Systems like this can't be changed from the inside. At best you can have a constitutional convention to fix these problems. At worst, you get civil war when one group becomes so oppressed they have to secede or risk real and literal starvation.

    30. Re:I do not understand by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      The way to remove her is through the primary election, but to do so you have to go up against your own party's leadership. All of whom have long allied with the incumbent. Even in cases where the party's nominee has no chance in the general election (such as Corzine and Buono in the last two NJ gubernatorial elections) the local party organizations won't even consider other primary contenders (who might even win the general election), so it is a huge uphill battle that requires a massive amount of money. No one who is voting for her is going to vote Republican because both parties are too far away from the center to get enough crossover.

    31. Re: I do not understand by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "even though "america" doesn't mean what you think it means."

      Inconceivable!

    32. Re:I do not understand by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      1st past the post:

      There are 2 parties, part A is dreadful so you vote for party B who are a little bit less dreadful. There is no point in voting for parties C, D, E or F because they can't unseat party A.

      When polled in the UK on policies the Green party comes 1st but they are about 5th or 6th in polls.

      People in the UK appear not to have a clue what the parties actual policies are, if they knew, they would vote differently.

      Votematch (UK)
      http://www.38degrees.org.uk/pa...

      And
      Vote for Policies: 2015 General Election

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    33. Re:I do not understand by JRV31 · · Score: 2

      The problem is we have a two party system, with two parties that are pretty much the same. We need a viable third, fourth, or even fifth party to shake things up a bit. Both parties know this and will do anything they can to crush a third party. The purpose of a political party is to take over the government. Disaster happens when one succeeds.

    34. Re: I do not understand by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      It works like this:

      American politicians have worked for decades to decode the U.S. voter and their habits. They spend millions of dollars annually on "focus groups" and "mock votes" in order to successfully determine the most advantageous avenues to manipulate the electorate into supporting them in their efforts to remove rights from the electorate, disenfranchise the electorate, and more firmly establish the elected as a modern day aristocracy in spite of US law and constitutional impetus. Look up "wedge issue" to see how the party leadership will use specific issues to fracture a voting block and turn them against each other. Watch how each party incites their proscribed demographic to feel threatened by others. Note how politicians play at fighting the other party, but vote as a whole when presented with an opportunity to curtail, circumvent, or remove rights guaranteed to the people by the constitution and/or bill of rights. And pay special attention to the media mouthpieces when they call out their leaders on their faults. It provides a voice for people's recognition of total incongruity on the part of their leaders, but by voicing it the supporters' ire is assuaged and they go merrily and sheepishly back to fighting the opposition and completely forget to hold their leaders accountable.

      In America there are two political parties. They are not liberal and conservative. They are not Republican and Democrat. They are simply the elected and the electorate. Anyone who forgets this or fails to see it, at any time, is a pawn, a sheep...and therefore untrustworthy, compromised. They are exactly equal to those religious people that atheists and sceptics so vociferously condemn. They have lost control of their intellect and sacrificed their freedom and judgement in pursuit of an empty purse. They cannot be trusted even with their own self interest, much less the advancement of society as a whole.

      So, welcome to America, where Rome is burning and all anyone does is comment on how good it looks in HD. Stay away if you value your sanity, your freedom, and your connection to humanity.

      That sounds so wise ... it certainly frees you from having to make any choices. Must be nice.

      A President Romney, while not perfect, would not be letting Iran go nuclear, and whistling while the caliphate gets built, all the while fulminating against Israel, of all things.

      There are real choices, and they matter.

    35. Re:I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For democrats, it mainly comes down to the belief that their guy will give them free stuff (money for nothing, chicks for free.)

      No, for Democrats it comes down to hoping that they'll make the hard/unpopular choices of keeping the environment clean, protecting citizens' rights in the face of "for the children" and "or the terrorists win" crap, etc.. Unfortunately, they (like the Republicans) are typically more interested in getting corporate sponsorships to get re-elected, and will generally sell out everything they pretend to believe in to get it.

      For republicans, it mainly comes down to "is he conservative enough" without any clear definition of what "conservative" actually is.

      That sounds pretty accurate.

      Nice conservative strawman you've built for yourself there. Unfortunately, strawmen make it harder, not easier, to communicate with those with whom you disagree.

    36. Re:I do not understand by walterbyrd · · Score: 2

      > No, for Democrats it comes down to hoping that they'll make the hard/unpopular choices of keeping the environment clean, protecting citizens' rights in the face of "for the children" and "or the terrorists win" crap, etc.. Unfortunately, they (like the Republicans) are typically more interested in getting corporate sponsorships to get re-elected, and will generally sell out everything they pretend to believe in to get it.

      I defy you to offer any evidence to support that. Do you realize it was Nixon who created the EPA, and the Marin Mammal Protection act? That along with ending the war in Vietnam, stopping the selective service, SALT I and SALT II, and opening relations with China. Way more the current scum we have has ever done, or ever will do.

      BTW: I am not a democrat, or a republican.

    37. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look up "wedge issue" to see how the party leadership will use specific issues to fracture a voting block and turn them against each other.

      But if we elect any Republicans, they're going to declare war on women and ban all contraceptions ever, and probably sex as well.

      And if we elect any Democrats, they're going to repeal the first amendment, declare religion illegal and probably force nuns to have abortions.

    38. Re:I do not understand by Jhon · · Score: 2

      "The problem is we have a two party system, with two parties that are pretty much the same. We need a viable third, fourth, or even fifth party to shake things up a bit."

      That is not the problem. The problem is that we become INVESTED in a given party and vote for the party over the person. That is more of an issue of polarization skewing people's votes than lack of a third or fourth party candidate. The moment we view "The Republicans" or "The Democrats" as "evil" is the moment we toss our ability to vote rationally out the window.

    39. Re: I do not understand by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Did you actually look at Romney's eyes? There IS NOTHING THERE. He is a shell of a man. The warhawks would run him like a sock puppet.

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    40. Re:I do not understand by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      For democrats, it mainly comes down to the belief that their guy will give them free stuff (money for nothing, chicks for free.)

      This is correct. See the youtube videos of people claiming Obama would pay their mortgage as a good example.

      No, for Democrats it comes down to hoping that they'll make the hard/unpopular choices of keeping the environment clean, protecting citizens' rights in the face of "for the children" and "or the terrorists win" crap, etc..

      Uh, yeah, if you're a big enough sucker to buy their marketing. They are all for the drug war (I could end there and your comment would already be a smoking crater), they're anti-gun-rights ("duh, for the children! drool"), etc. Only a sucker buys their marketing bs.

      Unfortunately, they (like the Republicans) are typically more interested in getting corporate sponsorships to get re-elected, and will generally sell out everything they pretend to believe in to get it.

      Right, got it. Democrats are good, but if they're bad it's in the same ways that Republicans are bad. But Republicans are also bad in even more ways, so they're worse.

      Got it.

      You'll vote for Feinstein because she's not an evil Republican, right?

    41. Re: I do not understand by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Clinton's mistake was LYING about Lewinski, not the blowjob itself. When you are asked point blank directly and you lie to the american public, you lose.

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    42. Re:I do not understand by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      Actually, most Republicans have a clear definition of "conservative". Those definitions vary, but they are usually pretty clear. For some, "conservative" is about social issues. However, for an ever growing number the definition of conservative is limiting the federal government to the powers defined in the Constitution as understood by the men who wrote it.

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    43. Re: I do not understand by znrt · · Score: 1

      it's still silly. what's wrong with "north americans"? "south americans" seems accepted too.

      i meant appropiaton in a linguistic sense. in the end it might just be you just have a silly name for your country, i admit that "united staters" or "usians" sounds weird (though that's exactly how you are referred to in most european languages), but that's no reason to disregard the meaning of a reference for all people in america to the point to, ... yes, appropiate it. or else, how would you actually refer properly to that group (assuming you wanted to)? you could'nt, you'd have to use a periphrase because you gave an arbitrary meaning to the only word that would make sense.

    44. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear, Hear. Well said. Albeit depressing and true.

      One minor point of note is as a Christian, I find disdain for the disdain atheists have towards us, not atheists themselves. We're not us v. them.
      It's personal choice what one chooses or not to believe in.

      Rhetorically wondering out loud: So why the strong opposition to something one doesn't believe in?

    45. Re:I do not understand by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      Below you get a lot of flack for your choice of words. I understand where you're coming from. Use the term "Statesers", which Canadians who don't like the implicit land grab of "Americans" sometimes use.

    46. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's their choice. People get to pick what they call themselves, and frankly if they weren't white, rich, and powerful, you would all be fighting for their right to call themselves whatever they want. Hypocrites.

    47. Re: I do not understand by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Arguing about use of "Usian" vs. "American": Almost as stupid and Diane Feinstein! Can we stick to the subject and avoid going off on pointless tangents, please? If we know what they mean, then it's valid communication. Arguing about correctness is only for pedantics that, well, just like to argue.

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    48. Re: I do not understand by monkeyzoo · · Score: 2

      "That's just like your opinion, man." -T.D.

      Language is full of 'stupid' things, and in each case, it is due to historical reasons of how the usage evolved. "America" was the new world in its entirety, and as the first major nation formed there that came to dominate the linguistic usage of the term for citizenry was the United States of America, the term "American" came to be used for its citizens. That makes perfect sense following the normal structural patterns of English on the root word in the name of the country.

      A *confusing* nationality term is that citizens of the Netherlands (or Holland) are called Dutch. Now *that* is confusing!

      On the other, I know that many people object to referring to the *country* of the USA as *America* because that is a very inaccurate geographic characterization and basically ignores the existence or importance of the rest of the countries in the two continents of America. So, yeah, don't do that!

      But to use the standardly accepted, logical, and convenient to pronounce term of *American* for a physical person, is only offensive to people living in countries outside the Americas who have a bone to pick with USA and like to look for reasons to get their panties in a bunch. People in Argentina don't get mad if you don't call them American. They would get mad if you did!!!

      Anyway, if it bothers anyone, feel free to use the fully clear and precise terminology, "US citizen" or similar construction. But don't try to introduce some spurious and cacophonous atrocity of a term like "Usian" or "Usan". You will never succeed in getting that to catch on.

    49. Re: I do not understand by monkeyzoo · · Score: 2

      "America" was the word for new world in its entirety, and as the first major nation formed there that came to dominate the linguistic usage of the term for citizenry was the United States of America, the term "American" came to be used for its citizens. That makes perfect sense following the normal structural patterns of English on the root word in the name of the country. This is only "offensive" to people living in countries outside the Americas who have a bone to pick with the USA and like to look for reasons to get their panties in a bunch. People in Argentina don't get mad if you don't call them American. They would get mad if you did!!!

      On the other, many people object to referring to the *country* of the USA as *America* because that is a very inaccurate *geographic* characterization and basically ignores the existence or importance of the rest of the countries in the two continents of America. So, yeah, don't do that!

      Anyway, if it bothers anyone, feel free to use the fully clear and precise terminology for a person, "US citizen" or similar construction. But don't try to introduce some spurious and cacophonous atrocity of a term like "Usian". How would you even pronounce that? "Ooozian?" "You-ess-iann?" Silly rabbit.

    50. Re: I do not understand by anagama · · Score: 1

      It's a tactic used by Feinstein astroturfers. By the time people get this far down the thread, they can barely remember what the main topic is.

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    51. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that would be a "yurp".

    52. Re:I do not understand by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You mean, like the freaks obsessing over sex lives (both sides in the matter) in Indiana this past week?

    53. Re: I do not understand by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      How did he "lose"?

      He got to be President for the maximum amount of time currently allowed. He got to make a mint (not that he's short a buck to start with) on the speaker tour afterwards. What did he actually lose?

    54. Re:I do not understand by anagama · · Score: 1

      Hell, they're so fucked up they might as well be Democrats.

      I'm on the liberal side of this coin and it see it the same way you do, though I phrase it in reverse:

      Democrats: The New GOP.

      Democrats seem to have embraced Nixon -- his healthcare suggestions, endless war, mass surveillance. I don't really know whether Nixon was such a booster of Wall Street/banksters as the DNC, but I'm guessing so because of the economic twiddling done to pay for Viet Nam.

      Anyway, our DNCGOP-monoparty really needs competition -- from both sides. I believe this so strongly I would vote for a 3d party conservative over a dem or repub any day of the week if that person had a shot (otherwise I just vote Green or for my cat).

      Maybe some year, several small parties should draft up a list of things they agree on, and run a candidate who would promise to stick to that list during the term of office and try to just hold the status quo on the other things. There is an enormous intersection between policies supported by Greens and Libertarians for example. Anyway, select the one candidate and combine the vote. A few spoiled elections might make the DNCGOPtards take notice.

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    55. Re: I do not understand by monkeyzoo · · Score: 2

      Most European languages???
      I only speak four, and here are the words they use:

      Spanish: americano
      Italian: americano
      French: américain
      German: Amerikaner

      I can go just about anywhere in the world and use one of these languages (or English). So, I'm gonna call B.S. on your statement.
      In fact, I find that in Europe, Europeans are more likely than US citizens to use the "offensive" word, because we Americans know we have neighbors to the south and north who don't always like it.

    56. Re:I do not understand by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Frankly, the kind of person that frightens me the most is the person who believes deeply in their causes. If they're working for non-profits or as private individuals, fantastic, but put them in power, particularly high office, and you have an inflexible individual often incapable of compromise. The Tea Party is an awfully good example of this; people who sincerely believe in the absolute rightness of their cause, and viewing compromise (which is what politics in a democracy is all about) as a betrayal of their beliefs.

      Pragmatism, too, can go too far, but at the end of the day I'd rather have people who can drop ideology down a notch and approach politics as a statesman's craft. Perhaps the majority will never be truly happy, but to my mind the notion of a majority is a false one, largely constructed out of artificial archetypes.

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    57. Re:I do not understand by dbIII · · Score: 0

      So then make voting compulsory so that people who are not invested have to get off their arse and do their duty as citizens by voting - you'll get more room for choice then.

      Cue people who say that an important part of freedom is not having to do their duty as citizens in 3 .. 2 .. 1.

    58. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even though "america" doesn't mean what you think it means

      ...the lands of the western hemisphere including North, Central, & S. America & the W. Indies

      What did you think, pedant?

      As you said, "among native English speakers this usage is almost universal".
      So should all of us native speakers re-learn our language from a bunch of people who can't pronounce "h" or "th"?

    59. Re: I do not understand by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Remember there were knee-jerk Republicans who were all for assisting the caliphate last year because they were fighting Assad - maybe if Romney was President the swift action they were calling for would have happened.
      You'd thing after Charlie Wilson they would have learnt that not every enemy of someone you don't like (such as a former ally you want to discard to make others happy) is your friend.

    60. Re: I do not understand by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      There is no continent named "America". Americans are North American. Central Americans are North American. South Americans are South American. All of these people are from the Americas, but not America. To answer your question: Australia. Even the European Union works better for your example, despite not being a nation.

    61. Re:I do not understand by monkeyzoo · · Score: 2

      Obviously, if you have a population of 300 million people that was formed from the most geographically diverse mixture of immigrants of any nation on the planet, statistical probability dictates that they probably suffer from a mass intellectual deficiency and are all more stupid than any other population sample. What they need is you to be their president and fix everything.

      Or, maybe democracies everywhere suffer from the same systemic defects that result in fallible humans holding elected office.

      Nah, you're probably right.

    62. Re: I do not understand by anagama · · Score: 2

      I personally think that the vociferous attacks are counterproductive, but as an atheist, I totally understand the ire. Religion is behind a lot of law that is antagonistic to liberty and science and a source of incredible amounts of bigotry. Christians like to play the martyr, but they are a bullying majority with a really dirty history that has opposed and obstructed progress in the science, arts, and human condition for millennia.

      So in answer to your question, think of it this way: most atheists aren't that concerned with Santa Claus because unlike Jesus, Santa isn't used as a basis for such social or scientific censorship.

      Having said that, I think an approach along the lines of honey rather than vinegar would be more practical because being confrontational tends to solidify the hatred against atheists. I do understand this can look like appeasement and that in the face of oppressive policies, more is sometimes called for, but in general, I think atheists would be better off letting the curious come to them (demonstrates open mind) rather than beating up on true-believers (who will only go deeper into belief as a response -- there is something inherently irrational in trying to use reason to debunk faith).

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    63. Re:I do not understand by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's part of your personal freedom, and something they both agree on: You should have none.

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    64. Re: I do not understand by murpup · · Score: 1

      Maybe what we need is a compromise. I for one, am going to start pushing the term "Amerusian" (pronounced AM-ER-OOZIAN).

    65. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm Canadian too, and I'd really like it if USians caught on. Sometimes a few US citizens notice they've pissed off a good chunk of the rest of the world, but usually their arrogance leaves them oblivious as to the reasons. They don't even see the use of the moniker American as arrogant. After all, they've successfully "influenced" much of the world's population to "go along" with them, therefore they must be "right". And who cares what the rest of the population of the Americas thinks anyways, when most of them don't even speak english.

    66. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if we elect any Democrats, they're going to repeal the first amendment, declare religion illegal and probably force nuns to have abortions.

      They'll probably force nuns to perform abortions, have sex with anyone requesting, and bake cakes for gay weddings. That is the latest Democrat talking point: "if you don't do what I want, you're discriminating!"

    67. Re:I do not understand by ultranova · · Score: 1

      So then make voting compulsory so that people who are not invested have to get off their arse and do their duty as citizens by voting - you'll get more room for choice then.

      Those who don't simply toss a coin will make their pick based on superficial factors or propaganda, making the problem worse. You can force people to vote, but you can't force people to care.

      An unused vote is a vote of non-confidence. The only thing compulsory voting does is hide those. That's fine if your goal is to create an illusion of a working democracy, and useless otherwise.

      Cue people who say that an important part of freedom is not having to do their duty as citizens in 3 .. 2 .. 1.

      If you anticipate such a response, why don't you answer it pre-emptively? Or do you simply not have an answer?

      Also, simply because you wish to regard something as a duty does not make it so.

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    68. Re:I do not understand by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      How come proven liars such as Pelosi and Feinstein, and Boehner and McConnel keep on getting re-elected despite all the goddamn things that they have done?

      Are the USian voters so damn stupid?

      TFTFY
      And yes, they are. They have voted against their own self interest more times than not in national elections for the last 40 years.

    69. Re:I do not understand by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      For democrats, it mainly comes down to the belief that their guy will give them free stuff...

      [citation needed]

    70. Re:I do not understand by LVSlushdat · · Score: 2

      The people in these assclown's districts are, for the most part, as ignorant as the assclowns they keep electing.. All these elected idiots have to do is be seen getting bills passed to send pork to the home district and regular as clockwork, they get reelected. I live in Nevada and Harry Reid, the "poster-child" for Congressional idiocy is one of the Senators from this state. The last time he was up for re-election, there was quite a wave of voter fraud, a small amount I personally witnessed, as I was a Republican poll-watcher during that election season. Our local (R) people took the matter up with the local Registrar of Voters, who, in turn, passed it up the chain to the State AG, who promptly sat on it.. Of course our AG was a loyal (D), thus HAD to "protect" Dingy Harry from losing the election... Once these turdbags infect your government, its really hard to get rid of them.. I'd hoped we'd be able to get rid of Harry Reid during his reelection campaign using the "Tom Daschle" trick.. For those who don't remember history, Senator Tom Daschle was a Senator from North Dakota, and who, also, had been the Senate Majority Leader, but unlike Reid, his constituents flushed him down the drain in 2004...

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    71. Re: I do not understand by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      OH there is controversy all right. Just call a Canadian an American and he'll punch you despite the fact all Canadians are technically Americans.

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    72. Re: I do not understand by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Umm, no. Do remember that "workplace sexual harassment" was a big issue then. And that getting one of your employees to give you a blow job pretty much fits the definitions in use at the time.

      It was funny watching the Clinton supporters justifying Clinton getting a blow job from one of his flunkies while insisting that that sort of thing was vile beyond belief otherwise.

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    73. Re:I do not understand by paiute · · Score: 1

      How come proven liars such as Pelosi and Feinstein keep on getting re-elected despite all the goddamn things that they have done? Are the USian voters so damn stupid?

      You UKians should realize that it is because their opponents are even worse.

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    74. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, with our two party system, re electing them may be the sane choice. Yes, it's nuts.

      The reason being is that the incumbent will be on the ballot*, and the opposition will be chosen by the other party. If the opposition is going to try to oppose what you think on say 70% as compared to 20% with stupid statements, which one is logical?

      *except in rare cases.

    75. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Because Rome is better. Last I heard they can't even keep the municipal trash service functioning. ROFLMAO.

    76. Re: I do not understand by dryeo · · Score: 1

      For much of the world there are 5 continents, Eurasia, Africa, Australia (Oceania), Antarctica and America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

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    77. Re:I do not understand by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I agree with you sort of. The batch of lying whores in office currently are as bad in their own way, or worse, than the inflexible ideologues. I'm for compromise as that's the only way to have a semi-civilized society. For instance, I'm against abortion but realize that there is no way to legislate it away. Far better, and I think more acceptable, to simply put in a plan to make it unnecessary. No way should the incredible number of unplanned pregnancies be happening like they are today. I would think even many liberals would be upset at mass use of abortion as retroactive birth control. A program of education and free birth control should be put in place to get this number reduced from holocaust levels. As much as I'd like to think abstinence should happen I know it's not going to happen. Sex as recreation for teenagers is here to stay and birth control must be available. There are many other areas where both sides can try to bring about their goals in concert with the other side. If we could just get the professional politicians out of the way.

    78. Re:I do not understand by wallsg · · Score: 1

      Cue people who say that an important part of freedom is not having to do their duty as citizens in 3 .. 2 .. 1.

      A duty is an obligation. You have the right to vote. You have the obligation/duty to serve jury duty.

      Being obligated to vote is as silly as being obligated to speak, obligated to associate, obligated to practice a religion, or obligated to owning a firearm.

    79. Re:I do not understand by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Ah, the only rich white males have any rights camp. Much has changed since then, conservatives are no longer tared and feathered, black people are considered people along with red and yellow people, women are allowed to own property, vote and refuse sex. Free speech has been expanded to everyone instead of only Congress, papers include virtual papers in electronic form. Rights such as owning a firearm are denied a large part of the population due to stupid rules like getting caught with an illegal plant and so on.

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    80. Re: I do not understand by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Next you'll be telling me that Pluto isn't a planet. I go by what I was taught: Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, North America, South America, Antarctica. Going by connected landmasses, and ignoring artificial separators like Panama and Suez canals, it should be four: America, Eurafriaisa, Australia, and Antarctica. But Australia the nation still uses the name for Australia the continent. Doesn't get my blood boiling.

    81. Re:I do not understand by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      Do you realize it was Nixon who created the EPA, and the Marin Mammal Protection act? That along with ending the war in Vietnam, stopping the selective service, SALT I and SALT II, and opening relations with China.

      Yes, and Nixon would be considered liberal by modern standards. The Republican party has shifted American politics so far to the hard right that today's mainstream Democrats are barely left-of-center, and they're still railed at for being "socialists."

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    82. Re:I do not understand by smoot123 · · Score: 1

      That is not the problem. The problem is that we become INVESTED in a given party and vote for the party over the person.

      It's actually a bit more complicated than that. We have a winner-take-all election system (and first-to-the-finish electoral college). There has been analysis which shows this tends to hit an stable equilibrium with two major parties. Once it becomes clear one of two parties is the only one with a viable chance of winning, people rationally don't pay attention to (or vote for) the minor party candidates.

      There are many other voting systems which yield much better results. The problem is, they are much harder to explain and they don't "feel" as right. Americans are just never exposed to anything other than "you vote for one person, the creep who gets the most votes wins".

      I'd love to see us try proportional representation, instant run offs, preference voting, or pretty much any other system. I just don't expect it to happen in any sort of scale in my lifetime. I certainly don't expect our elected officials to try changing it--they like the current system because they won using it.

    83. Re:I do not understand by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      No, for Democrats it comes down to hoping that they'll make the hard/unpopular choices of keeping the environment clean, protecting citizens' rights in the face of "for the children" and "or the terrorists win"

      Other than environment, I honestly can't think of any democrats that have promised that nor do I know of many democrats who have voted towards that end. Usually the focus is on taking things away to guarantee safety. In the case of this article, Pelosi wants to take away the first amendment. Democrats also frequently want to take away the second and fourth amendments as well, again, in the name of safety.

    84. Re:I do not understand by AgNO3 · · Score: 1

      See its really easy, The United States of AMERICA. The country is America and it is made up of a group of United States. Thus American's. If you have an issue with that please dig up Amerigo Vespucci. Canada is is not Canada of America, Mexico is not Mexico of America. Since the USA was intended to operate in a more states right manner. Like an EU but with a bit more power to the central government is makes total logical sense that people living in the states that make up the union are American's Kind of like The United Kingdom is a country that consists of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. In fact, the official name of the country is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." So they are called British not Ukians. See how that works.

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    85. Re: I do not understand by russotto · · Score: 1

      it's still silly. what's wrong with "north americans"? "south americans" seems accepted too.

      In English, "North Americans" typically refers to Mexico, Canada, and the US (e.g. North American Free Trade Agreement), anything south of Mexico being "Central America" or "South America". In Mexican Spanish, though, "norteamericano" refers to someone from the US.

    86. Re:I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah... you just keep telling yourself that.

      Sure, there are yuppies like you that want those things. I know plenty of them. Then there is the other 90% of people that want free stuff. It's ridiculous to deny that.

    87. Re:I do not understand by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      We need to get rid of that winner-takes-all business in the electoral college, like Maine and Nebraska have. Plurality voting systems generate two party systems.

    88. Re:I do not understand by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Then make one of their choices "None of the above".
      If you can't get more votes than that non-candidate, you don't get a majority government or there's some limit on the powers that you have if you end up in power.

      That way people who don't know who to choose or who feel they have no appealing choices can still make their votes matter.
      Give that option and there might no need for compulsory voting.

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    89. Re:I do not understand by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Any system will have defects but the current one in the USA is rigged.
      You want to be president? Might cost you & your backers a cool $Billion+ to lose.
      Are the voting districts fair? Hmm, instead of having an arms length agency with oversight to draw the boundaries, let's have the 2 major parties take turns drawing the maps as they see fit every 10 years.
      So what if you get a few districts that look like a dragon trying to pick its nose with its tail.

      Let's have companies write the legislation that will be used to oversee them. I'm sure they're all good honest capitalists. And let's appoint prominent people from those very companies / industries to also be the cop on the beat. After all, we can count on them to prosecute their friends, who they'll probably work with again someday.

      There are FAR more corrupt governments that America's but they could be so, so much better.
      Canada's appear to be pretty clean although it seems that there are fewer checks on the Canadian PM vs the US President if the prime minister of Canuckistan holds the majority of seats in the House.

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    90. Re:I do not understand by haruchai · · Score: 1

      That's what term limits are for and they really, really need to be applied at all levels of government.
      Now, since some individuals have held public office at several levels of government, let's say that you can't hold elected office at any for more than 8 yrs for the same position or more than 20 years consecutively for all levels combined.

      At that point, I'm not sure if you should be barred from elected office entirely or be forced to sit out for 8-10 years.

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    91. Re:I do not understand by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      And what do these Democratic Party policies have to do with the Republican Party?

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    92. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a USian (ha!) and I was in a Canadian bar once and someone used the word American to refer to someone from the U.S. I said "hey, don't sell yourselves short, you're Americans, too" and one of the Canadians said "we will start calling ourselves Americans when we finally get a decent navy," and then we all had a good laugh and a drink.

    93. Re:I do not understand by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

      How come proven liars such as Pelosi and Feinstein keep on getting re-elected despite all the goddamn things that they have done?

      Are the USian voters so damn stupid?

      We're talking about California here.

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    94. Re:I do not understand by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Also,though, JFK would be considered conservative today. At least on foreign policy. There used to be a lot of hawkish mainstream Democrats, i.e. Humphrey.

    95. Re:I do not understand by dryeo · · Score: 1

      You said going back to the founders ideas as found in the Constitution and the founders, Jefferson I believe, founded the Democratic Party. Of course it was the Republican Party that massively expanded the Federal government in the 1860's, even going so far as to put Federal troops in the States Legislators buildings to force through Constitutional Amendments to expand the Federal power.
      Me, I'm not American and have a right wing party in power who continuosly pass unconstitutional laws that are knocked down by our Supreme Court as they believe the only thing government should be doing is spying on dissidents, making sure we don't have fun and just generally keeping tabs on the citizens. Bastards have also ran a deficit since they've been in power and now that they're claiming that the budget (very late) is balanced they're going to give money out to buy votes and bring us back into deficit.

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    96. Re:I do not understand by localman · · Score: 1

      I guess you haven't read "The Wisdom of Crowds".

      One of the things they talk about in there is how the random noise of idiocy tends to cancel out allowing for a good result - but only if the sampling is done correctly. Required voting is one means to achieve that. Letting people decide if they want to vote or not skews things toward the irrational emotional, which is fairly obviously what has happened in the US.

    97. Re:I do not understand by localman · · Score: 1

      And why isn't being obligated to serve on a jury silly? It's actually very much like voting - you are required to offer your opinion for the benefit of society, whether you feel like it or not.

      From a practical perspective, required voting takes some of impact of emotions out of elections, which is good thing. It also overcomes the various ways that people are obstructed from voting. These things outweigh the unavoidable issue of people casting random (i.e. self-cancelling) votes or other shenanigans.

    98. Re: I do not understand by Dave+Emami · · Score: 1

      it's still silly.

      No, silly is insisting that a word be used in an essentially-useless way.

      what's wrong with "north americans"? "south americans" seems accepted too.

      Yes, because they provide useful information -- there are generalizations you can make and subjects you can discuss about North America(ns) or South America(ns) that apply to them but not to the rest of the world, as opposed to both of them combined.

      i meant appropiaton in a linguistic sense.

      As I pointed out, the use of America to mean the United States probably came into widespread use outside it before it did so inside it, because for the better part of a century its people primarily thought of themselves in term of what state they lived in, not what country. I'll defer to someone with a better knowledge of linguistic history, but at a guess this is probably because the US was the first European colony to become a separate nation and thus need a special name to denote it.

      in the end it might just be you just have a silly name for your country, i admit that "united staters" or "usians" sounds weird

      If you just can't bring yourself to use "Americans" to mean "person who lives in the US", the way everyone else does, use "Yankees" or "Yanks." Just realize that it means something different within the US, and that some folks in the Southern US will take offense.

      (though that's exactly how you are referred to in most european languages),

      As others have pointed out in their replies, that's not the case. And even for countries that do have a specific word for US citizens in their language (for instance, Japan or China), when speaking/writing English they use "American" for that.

      but that's no reason to disregard the meaning of a reference for all people in america to the point to, ... yes, appropiate it. or else, how would you actually refer properly to that group (assuming you wanted to)?

      Can you give me some non-contrived examples in which you'd want to? Is there anything (again, non-contrived) we could discuss that would apply to people in Seattle and Sao Paolo but not to people in Stuttgart and Sydney?

      you could'nt, you'd have to use a periphrase because you gave an arbitrary meaning to the only word that would make sense.

      Your statement is akin to insisting that the astrophysics definition of "metal" (everything except hydrogen and helium) should be the preferred meaning instead of the meaning everyone else uses.

      Really, it sounds like this is just a proxy for resentment of the US. Maybe that resentment is justified, maybe not, but this seems a pretty silly way to express it.

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    99. Re:I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

    100. Re:I do not understand by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

      protecting citizens' rights in the face of "for the children"

      Democrats are just as willing to use that canard, they just use it to support violation of different rights than Republicans do.

      I never claimed they don't - both the "for the children" and "war on terror" crap is used by opportunists in both parties to use emotionally charged rhetoric to distract from the actual effectiveness of their pet laws. Democrats are just more likely to run on a platform of opposition to that thinking than Republican candidates are.

    101. Re:I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You saw that post about the (D) speaker of the house in W. Va who just banned tesla, right?

    102. Re: I do not understand by znrt · · Score: 1

      Most European languages???
      I only speak four, and here are the words they use:

      Spanish: americano
      Italian: americano
      French: américain
      German: Amerikaner

      I can go just about anywhere in the world and use one of these languages (or English). So, I'm gonna call B.S. on your statement.
      In fact, I find that in Europe, Europeans are more likely than US citizens to use the "offensive" word, because we Americans know we have neighbors to the south and north who don't always like it.

      you're wrong.

      in spanish "estadounidense" is the official term, while "norteamericano" is also used, and ocassionally "americano" but you will never hear that in the media. portugese also say "estadunidense".

      in german it's "Nordamerikaner", "Amerikaner" and "US-amerikanisch" can also be heard. french indeed say "étasunien" and "américain". italian say either "nordamericano" or simply "americano"

      it seems you can go just about anywhere in the world and still not learn anything from it.

      which is the "offensive" word, btw? (not that i'm wanting to use it, just curious :D)

    103. Re: I do not understand by znrt · · Score: 1

      even though "america" doesn't mean what you think it means

      ...the lands of the western hemisphere including North, Central, & S. America & the W. Indies

      thank you, so it logically follows that "american" should apply to what? thank you for demonstrating my point.

      What did you think, pedant?

      same as you, apparently!

      As you said, "among native English speakers this usage is almost universal".
      So should all of us native speakers re-learn our language

      not at all. you can call yourselves whatever you like. i'm just pointing out it is incorrect.

      from a bunch of people who can't pronounce "h" or "th"?

      sorry? don0t get what's your problem here.

    104. Re: I do not understand by znrt · · Score: 1

      As others have pointed out in their replies, that's not the case

      it's indeed the case, at least for the languages i cited. monkeyzoo (not 'others', he's the only one making this incorrect statement) is actually wrong and you can check that easily out.

      is there anything (again, non-contrived) we could discuss that would apply to people in Seattle and Sao Paolo but not to people in Stuttgart and Sydney?

      dunno. are you sure there isn't? anyway, what if i tell you that people in several countries call themselves "americanos" too? will you then spot the basic contradiction?

      Really, it sounds like this is just a proxy for resentment of the US.

      absolutely not. i just pointed out a fact. i had no idea it would have such an impact. but i've been moded troll (wow!) and even had someone declare me his "foe" (lolololol). this wasn't expected but i have to say i do find this fortuitous trolling incident quite funny.

      it's still silly and incorrect, but i do understand it is difficult to overcome cultural impregnation even if it's wrong. every language and variation has plenty of those, anyway. i have really no hard stance in this and realize it will not be easy to come along on such, er ... sensible? matters. thank you for your time and informative comments, anyway!

    105. Re:I do not understand by dbIII · · Score: 1

      making the problem worse

      Unless actually you take a look at a place where it actually runs that way instead of applying gut feeling - hence my suggestion based on places where there is more political choice.

    106. Re:I do not understand by dbIII · · Score: 1

      An unused vote is a vote of non-confidence. The only thing compulsory voting does is hide those.

      No, such votes are recorded as "informal" votes and they certainly send a message especially when the gap between canditates is close.
      Turning up and writing "fuck the lot of you" on the ballot paper, or leaving it blank are perfectly valid choices.

      People from the US have run very effective elections offshore (assisting the UN in various places) so you are perfectly capable of ditching the electoral college shit with the hanging chads, dodgy machines, long queues and Tuesday voting for a professionally run election with more than two choices.

    107. Re:I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nixon only put a stop to the Vietnam war to avoid a revolution at home. Don't give him credit for stopping it - his hand was forced.

    108. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally wrong.
      Spanish: estadounidense
      Italian: statunitense
      French: États-Unien
      German: Bürger der Vereinigten Staaten

      The controversy exists in almost every language.

    109. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem is, if you eliminated all the liars, no politicians would be left and big business would have no impediment at all.

    110. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you.

    111. Re:I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of stupid. I find it strange that, in learning a foreign language, you insist on your own names for what the native speakers should be called *in their own damn language*.

      In case this isn't clear. You wrote English. This is a foreign language to you. All native English speakers know exactly what "american" refers to in this context. It is beyond stupid to tell natives that you thought of a more appropriate name for them in their own language. Imagine if someone did this to your people.

    112. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still don't get this, do you. Is English spoken natively anywhere in the Latin Americas ? No ? What basis do you think a non-native English speaker in those countries has in renaming terms that native speakers use ? What if we decide to call Latin Americans "vatos" when I learn spanish , because I that area looks like a big vat. Would that be aggreeable ?

    113. Re:I do not understand by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      I'm honestly not sure how it would help. If you have a bunch of people who have no interest in voting and force them to vote, you're not guaranteeing a good result, you're guaranteeing that people show up. Them being a "crowd" does not magically make them able to make good decisions or even to care. More to the point, it doesn't make them educated enough to make a good decision.

      In the end, lowest common denominator will become even more important, because you'll want to cater to people who don't care and want to be told what to do so they can go back to work. You may need to change to commercials somewhat, it may even get more moderate.

      However, moderate isn't a synonym for "correct". There are scenarios where one distinct choice or another is correct. Compromise in that case means you're actually making the problem worse, just not as bad as it could be.

      There are a lot of countries with high voter turnout that have horrible governments. Mandatory voting can be turned against a disinterested population just as much as optional voting.

    114. Re:I do not understand by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      That you think "duty" refers to anything in reality, indicates that your mind has already been corrupted beyond repair.

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    115. Re:I do not understand by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Any state that uses plurality for its presidential electors immediately makes itself irrelevant. It's a trick the minority party in a state uses to hoodwink the majority. Do the math.

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    116. Re:I do not understand by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Districts should be drawn by computer algorithm. Start with the NW corner of the state, and draw district outlines to achieve the best result for a function that takes into account population equality between districts and minimum district border length. Done.

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    117. Re:I do not understand by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Nixon ... endless war

      Under whose administration did the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War start? Under whose administration did it end?

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    118. Re:I do not understand by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The compromise between food and poison is death.

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    119. Re:I do not understand by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Jefferson I believe, founded the Democratic Party

      WRONG. Jefferson was the primary force behind the "Democratic Republican" party. The Democratic Party came into existence around 1828, under Andrew Jackson's influence; its primary focus was to preserve slavery. When that failed, it became the party of theft in the spirit of William Jennings Bryan. The GOP activities in the post-bellum South were in part necessitated by the war, and excesses came from both sides (consider carpetbaggers and the KKK).

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    120. Re:I do not understand by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

      Occupy Wall Street.

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    121. Re: I do not understand by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Which Charlie Wilson?

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    122. Re:I do not understand by anagama · · Score: 1

      There's no denying that under Nixon, it was continued. Or that he ran with some BS about a secret plan. Plus he added Cambodia. But that is basically like Obama, who continued Iraq and started a bunch of smaller things on the side. Which has contributed to Obama's credibility gap amongst liberals.

      Anyway, Obama and Nixon are prime evidence that Democrats and Republicans suck.

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    123. Re:I do not understand by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      Every state other than Maine and Nebraska uses plurality, but irrespective of that, are you saying that if every state did proportional presidential electors, then every state would be irrelevant? I agree that a state that does proportional electors won't look to be as fine a prize as a state with the same total number of electors where the candidate thinks they can get them all, but if every state does proportional electors, then the candidates have to campaign the same everywhere, because then every vote counts, and you can't write off the voters in a state where the other party has a majority. This would be a lot better for our election based system of government. As you point out, it would probably take a constitutional amendment to make this change, because very few state governments want to be first on something of this nature. However, stronger connection where a voter thinks "my vote helps my candidate" regardless of the opinions of the majority of voters in that state would be a very good one and especially helpful to third parties.

    124. Re: I do not understand by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

      you're wrong.

      ha ha. Such a jackass statement. I chuckle that you have the hubris to think you can speak for the personal life experience of someone you don't even know and adopt an arrogant tone while doing it.

      W/out revealing too much on a public forum, I'll just say that, in my life, I've spent more years than I can count on the fingers of one hand in the countries where these languages are spoken, and while, yes, the words you mentioned do exist in dictionaries, I could use less than those same fingers to count the number of times I've heard them actually used in normal speech.

      The "offensive" word was american/e/o/er, etc. My point being that despite what you may wish, in actual practice, Europeans more often than not simply call US citizens, "Americans," as does everyone else.

      If you wish to continue trying to dictate what I know from own experience, you may carry on the conversation with my hand, as I have no interest in you telling me your "facts."

    125. Re:I do not understand by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Boehner faced a primary last time around and won about 70% of the vote. His primary opposition was considered serious enough that he actually campaigned, something he generally doesn't bother with. He very nearly did not win reelection to speaker inside the house, even though nobody really had the guts to make a strong stand against him. Both Boehner and McConnel are nasty people who punish those inside the party who stand up against their leadership.

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    126. Re: I do not understand by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

      Yes. These are the high register words, not commonly used in normal speech, just like "the United States of America" in English (versus "the U.S.", or just "America").

      No seriously, look at what you wrote for a second... do you really think Germans say "Bürger der Vereinigten Staaten" every time they mean "Amerikaner"?

      So, no, I'm not wrong, as I said these are the words people *use*, and that is as true as the fact that everywhere they do, there are some people who get worked up about it.

      As you say, the controversy (and also actual practice of using the term "American") exists in every language. The very existence of that controversy proves the usage point I wrote, the same point you called, "totally wrong." You have been hoisted on your own petard!

    127. Re:I do not understand by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Pelosi is vicious and delusional, but her delusions are shared by her constituency. Boxer and especially Feinstein are openly corrupt, but again their ideology is a good fit for California.

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    128. Re:I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not a USian either.
      We already know you aren't by your use of this ridiculous word to refer to people who are citizens of the USA.

    129. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to misunderstand how language works. "Correct" is defined by consensus, not logic. If it were logical, they would all be a lot easier to learn.

    130. Re:I do not understand by reve_etrange · · Score: 1

      An unused vote is a vote of non-confidence.

      Compulsory voting means you have to turn in a ballot to avoid a penalty (e.g. the $20 fine in Austrailia). The ballot can be blank. Submitting a blank ballot is a vote of non-confidence, not voting at all is just apathy.

      In California, we routinely vote on ballot measures which affect our daily lives and which win or lose by narrow margins. There's simply no way to defend total failure to vote as part of a position on anything, unless its opposition to the notion of voting itself.

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    131. Re: I do not understand by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

      I agree with you, it *SHOULD* work that way, that people get to pick what they call themselves, but in practice it doesn't.

      Take one example (out of hundreds)...

      Deutschland. This is what Germans call their country. And they call themselves Deutschlanders.
      Germany. This is the English name for the same thing, and the people are Germans, of course.
      Germania. This is what the Italians say, and they call the people **tedeschi**!!
      Allemagne. The French use this word for the same country.

      It seems that in actual practice, each *language* chooses what they will call other places and people (or at least language per region, as I'd imagine Mexicans and Spaniards might have significant differences, for example).

      The actual words used probably arose in the historical (and tribal) context in which the various peoples of the world interacted with (i.e., warred against) each other.

      Your point remains though that, at least in American English (and I can't imagine the use of the word in that context can be ambiguous, except perhaps to a subset of Canadians), the Yanks (that's British English, or wait, is it non-Irish-non-Wales-British-English???) should be able to call themselves Americans without people breaking into hives. You see how silly this can quickly get!

      The haters can get their panties bunched up all they want about this, but usually language just does what's expedient rather than what is exhaustively precise to avoid the fatiguing tying of tongues into twisted states. Bottom line: it's clear what an American is, and the upset people probably object to their perceived *real-world* imperialism, but get hung up on the perceived imperialism of their name instead.

    132. Re:I do not understand by reve_etrange · · Score: 1

      It's being worked on using state-level national popular vote legislation. 105 votes worth of states are still needed - that could be as little as four states (e.g. Texas, New York, Florida and Virginia).

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    133. Re:I do not understand by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Are the USian voters so damn stupid?

      Those districts - yes. They are that stupid, obviously.

      Generally most US voters go by recognition. In Maryland there's a guy I've known all my life - Steney Hoyer. He was actually elected when I was 12 or something. Today you're nuts to run against him even though he's one of the biggest slime balls out there. Told him so myself. Unless he does something really terrible near an election, like say the N word in public and they can't edit it out for him in time or he kills someone - he'll be re-elected until he either retires or dies. He's glued to his seat. Just like Barbara Mikulski who just announced her retirement recently. Now the mad scramble to fill her seat, and probably whoever gets it will be there for life. Great gig if you can get it.

      We're all too busy, or think things don't effect us to care.

      Some people are snowed. They think for example that Fox news is fake news. Even though most of the factual stories come from them. The main stream media fail to report on things all the time - all the news that fits. The news that fits into their socialist ideals that was indoctrinated into them in college as if it were a religion. Right now they parrot what the dictator (Obama) in power says.

    134. Re:I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Occupy Wall Street.

      Occupy was started by people who just wanted to work. Once it got some media attention, it was swamped by anybody who had any kind of gripe against the rich or corporate.

    135. Re: I do not understand by znrt · · Score: 1

      yes, but since english has become a de-facto common language on the internet, which is a good thing for us all, the scope is significantly broader, and there is no actual consensus on the meaning of 'american' in that context.

    136. Re: I do not understand by znrt · · Score: 1

      I chuckle that you have the hubris to think you can speak for the personal life experience of someone you don't even know

      i didn't. i'm speaking for my personal experience. it's obviously different from yours.

      and adopt an arrogant tone while doing it.

      oh, did i? come on, i just played your words, why so stiff?

      If you wish to continue trying to dictate what I know from own experience, you may carry on the conversation with my hand, as I have no interest in you telling me your "facts."

      the "offensive word" ((c) monkeyzoo) has different penetration. it is more common in germany as in spain, more common in casual speech as formal, written or media, and it was also more common some decades ago. i guess it depends on the context but fact is it isn't at all universal, so ...

    137. Re:I do not understand by wallsg · · Score: 1

      And why isn't being obligated to serve on a jury silly? It's actually very much like voting - you are required to offer your opinion for the benefit of society, whether you feel like it or not.

      Because someone else has the Right to a Trial by a Jury of their Peers. Think about that a little. Every time that someone has a "right to" something, there is an obligation on someone else somewhere to provide or at least facilitate it. Notice that in the Constitution this is, I believe, the only thing that you have the right "to", while every thing else is the right "to do". That is, the government cannot stop you from doing it (speech, religion, firearms, association). The right to not be stopped puts no obligation on anyone else, while the right to get something (jury trial) does.

      Any time that you're coerced/forced/compelled to do something by any level of government there had better be an overriding interest that cannot met in any other way. Too much of the time this is done for convenience. In terms of voting, it looks like a case of "it's just too damn hard to convince these people to care and get off their asses to vote, so we'll force them to by passing a law."

      No politician has the RIGHT to your vote, so there is no legitimate reason to compel you to give it or even to go somewhere or take any action whatsoever to affirmatively withhold it.

    138. Re:I do not understand by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Any state that abandons winner-take-all in the electoral college loses lots of its importance in presidential elections. A state with eight seats in the House has ten electoral votes. Under winner-take-all, winning it means ten electoral votes for the winner. If it has proportional representation, and would vote between 40% and 70% for side A, then A's heavy campaigning in that state will mean three electoral votes more than ignoring the state entirely.

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    139. Re: I do not understand by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Sexual harassment, according to the law, is one of three things: promising good things (like raises and promotions) in return for sex, extorting sex by threats of bad things (firing, being passed over for promotion), or making a hostile work environment. I think that's a pretty good definition overall. It doesn't preclude sex between coworkers, even when one directly or indirectly reports to the other (although that's a big potential problem if things go sour, either in the sex or the employment).

      I've seen no evidence that Lewinski was coerced in any way, or that Clinton actually harassed her. She appeared to be a willing and enthusiastic participant at the time. I think that getting a blow job from her was a real assholish thing to do, but it was not, as far as I can tell, sexual harassment.

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    140. Re:I do not understand by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      I agree that this change would be a lot more workable if it happened for all states simultaneously. I think relative importance would remain about the same if that were to happen.

      After such a change, there would no longer be "safe states" or "write-off states" candidates would have to be doing the heavy campaigning everywhere for every electoral vote because they could no longer help themselves to the votes of any state's outnumbered voters. Moreover, third party candidates could get an elector just by getting enough votes for one elector, which would be a much lower bar than winning an entire state.

      More importantly, if voters in a state are able to provide an elector for their candidate of choice, even though the majority of voters in that state have a different opinion, then these voters will feel more like the act of voting actually provides them with benefit.

    141. Re: I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Americans" means people who live in the United States

      It also means a person from Canada or Mexico is an American. America or rather the Americas are land masses not countries. Yes I know people from the US stole the term much like thet stole the land which their country is made of.

      Ask a Irishman if he is European I bet he will reply yes. He will not claim to be British but then Britian is a country not a land mass. The British Isles are part of European Contient not a contient of themselves.

      You stole the word "American" and use it out of context plain and simple.

      As a Native American I can use the word "American" because I am directly related to all the orginal people who inhabited both contients. The people of Peru are Native Americans. Cherokee are Native Americans. The Cree in Canada are Native Americans. Yes by government and culture we are tribes but still we are the orginal people who inhabited these land masses.

      To the Europeans thank you for sending all your thugs theives and whores over here. I hope you see the fucking mess you created.

      Native America
      Fighting terror since 1492.

    142. Re: I do not understand by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

      I chuckle that you have the hubris to think you can speak for the personal life experience of someone you don't even know and adopt an arrogant tone while doing it.

      i didn't. i'm speaking for my personal experience. it's obviously different from yours.

      It's hard to argue with a non-editable thread history.
      Good to see you have taken back your "you're wrong" and acknowledged that the words I listed: a) exist, and b) are widely used.

      The difference here was that you started off arguing for the properness of one set of words over the other, while I have been making an impartial observation on their actual prevalence in usage.

      I certainly agree with you that the united-states-ian words exist. I've never said otherwise.

    143. Re: I do not understand by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

      Now *that* is interesting. Heaven help us that we can't even agree across the world on how many continents there are. Good luck picking the names for people.

    144. Re: I do not understand by znrt · · Score: 1

      no, you were wrong. you said:

      I only speak four, and here are the words they use:
      Spanish: americano
      Italian: americano
      French: américain
      German: Amerikaner

      which implies that's the only form. it isn't. at all. its adoption varies but other forms are actually more prevalent in several instances, probably most. spanish language academy, for instance, expressly states that "americano" in lieu of "estadounidense" is incorrect, and should not be used. that's a board of over 40 phylologists and i'd say they have a point. of course if you disagree (or think they're just being arrogant), you can go argue with them.

      while I have been making an impartial observation on their actual prevalence in usage

      wrong again. see above.

    145. Re: I do not understand by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

      which implies that's the only form.

      You're arguing with a straw man. We've been round and round this, and you know perfectly well what I'm saying.

      its adoption varies

      Exactly.

      In closing, irregardless [sic] of what you and your phylologists say, people still use the words you object to, and they could care less [sic] what you wish.

    146. Re:I do not understand by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Well that's nice.
      How do you feel about seat belts?


      I suspect it's the idea of someone telling you what to do that matters more than if it's a good idea or a bad idea.

    147. Re:I do not understand by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Because someone else has the Right to a Trial by a Jury of their Peers. Think about that a little. Every time that someone has a "right to" something, there is an obligation on someone else somewhere to provide or at least facilitate it.

      But someone else, and you yourself, have a right to be governed well by a citizen or groups of citizens chosen by majority vote.
      Government is not supposed to be an alien thing applied from outside but instead something that represents you. That's not happening when only a very small number of people bother to get involved in any way at all. That's why you have so many people in power who are there for purely personal gain.

    148. Re:I do not understand by wallsg · · Score: 1

      I think it's fine for the government to mandate seat belts be installed in vehicles that have to meet government standards in order to sold. I don't think that it's so fine for the government to mandate that you "do what's good for you" and wear the seat belt or else.

    149. Re:I do not understand by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Ok, and don't say you didn't ask for this:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    150. Re: I do not understand by znrt · · Score: 1

      ok, then. can we be friends now? :-)

      also please note i never told anyone how to express themselves. i just pointed out the underlying nonsense in response to someone sort of reprobating someone else for the pun word "usians". of course it was a pun, but you guys should expect that (and hopefully with a tiny bit of humor) from the moment on you mangle meanings in such a way. not a problem at all but it's just natural that other people might get confused.

      btw, both [sic]'s i assume were also a joke. just for the record, i didn't get it. i hate missing jokes.

    151. Re:I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in your mind, "Obama won't take away my assistance" = "Obama promised to give me free stuff"?

    152. Re: I do not understand by monkeyzoo · · Score: 1

      ok, then. can we be friends now? :-)

      Sure. Why not? :-)

      There's not such a big difference in what we're saying really... We both acknowledge the two sets of words exist. I posted in different places in the thread, so maybe I got confused with some of the things said in different places, but my intent was to say that "American" came to be (and is often still) used because historically it was the dominant word before people thought to get upset about it (after other countries popped up in the Americas). I agree one should realize the potential bad reactions that might come from using it, however, and choose appropriately for their audience and the type of speech they are engaging in!!!

      I also intended to argue that it makes perfect historical sense; it is not irrational nor premeditated as a political statement of future world domination. And this usage became widespread not only in native English and by the residents of the USA but equally by the various peoples of Europe. (European peoples routinely referred to Americans, even in formal contexts, during the era of the Revolutionary War.)

      Regardless of intent, one should also expect that if you accost a nation (any nation!) and tell the people there, "Hey, I don't like the name that you have used for yourselves for the entire history of your nation, and I want you to use this new word I invented for you that sounds like a half-assed joke," you're going to get a bad reaction. If the intent is to convince, it would be better to sympathetically explain to them why other people get negative connotations from it and ask the people themselves if there isn't a better solution. Stylistic adjustments have happened in government bodies and in the finer outlets of English media already. And the trend will no doubt continue as the world grows more interconnected.

      In *English*, I think "US citizen" (as was used in NAFTA for example) sounds perfectly proper and infinitely more pleasant than these new-fangled concoctions, which honestly seem designed more to antagonize than gain adoption. But (as I noted somewhere else), each language/region determines their own word for other peoples/regions, and statunitense, for example, works pretty smoothly in Italian. (I still say without bias, however, that, in my experience, it's 10:1 that people there say americano. ;-))

      Really, you didn't get the joke? The two sic's were incorrect/nonstandard constructions you hear all the time. Irregardless is a non-standard derivative of regardless. And "I could care less" is a bastardization of "I couldn't care less."

      Hope we are on the same page now and can say we agree. I hope to show that I never meant to imply that "American" (and its foreign counterparts) is the best or proper term that one could use.

      Peace out, man. All's well that ends well. Pleasure discussing with you.

    153. Re:I do not understand by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      I made no commentary on politician promises. My commentary is on what the voters believe about their guy.

    154. Re:I do not understand by dbIII · · Score: 1

      As expected.
      I'm a little disappointed but now your above words make a bit more sense given that outlook.
      Perhaps you are not the sort of person that should be voting after all :)

    155. Re:I do not understand by Dave+Emami · · Score: 1

      I never claimed they don't - both the "for the children" and "war on terror" crap is used by opportunists in both parties to use emotionally charged rhetoric to distract from the actual effectiveness of their pet laws. Democrats are just more likely to run on a platform of opposition to that thinking than Republican candidates are.

      I really disagree with you on that, especially the relative balance of "for the children" usage, but that's probably because we have different ideas about what the "actual effectiveness" and merit of the laws. For example, if you're a Democrat, you probably don't see the use of school shooting incidents as justification for laws that violate the Second Amendment to be examples of "for the children", while I do. Likewise, the "have the government make this decision because it will decide more intelligently than the parents can" argument is almost-entirely a Democrat thing. It's not a "for your children" argument, it's a "for those other parents' children, because those parents aren't smart like you" argument. All sorts of health, safety, and education mandates fall into that category, such as the Democrat hostility to alternatives to public schools. "Spend money for the children" is a mostly-Democrat thing as well, as is the infantalizing "spend money on the children who are no longer really children but we'll talk as if they are" variant, such as Obama's "stay on your parents' insurance until you're 26" thing.

      Now, presumably you think most of my examples are things that should be done, but that's my point: we will tend not to see the "for the children" argument unless it's being used to push something we disagree with.

      --

      "The Greens lynched a hacker in Chicago. Last month, but I think the body's still hanging from the old Water Tower."
    156. Re:I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said voters believe Obama will "give them free stuff" and then linked to a video with a woman saying she won't have to worry about paying for gas or her mortgage. That doesn't mean she thinks Obama will give it to her. She was likely already getting assistance and worried about losing it under McCain.

    157. Re:I do not understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with democracy everywhere (I am posting from Australia) is that people who don't know how the fuck to run a country are elected by people who don't know how the fuck a country should be run. When everyone (including voters and politicians) is only interested in their own personal outcome you get a massively dysfunctional system. Unfortunately it appears to be the best thing we have.

      Whenever any benefit at all needs to be eroded for the common good, out come the pitchforks and burning torches, out goes the government an in comes the opposition who promised not to do something in the interest of the common good and they kick the can down and keep their snouts in the trough as long as possible.

      Until we find the greed gene and remove it I don't think this will change. Unfortunately, greed is a fantastic motivator so if we do manage to breed it out we'll probably be even more fucked.

    158. Re:I do not understand by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

      if you're a Democrat, you probably don't see the use of school shooting incidents as justification for laws that violate the Second Amendment to be examples of "for the children", while I do.

      That depends on what you mean. If you're talking about the sudden push for banning guns that happens after every school shooting, then yes I do find it to be one. If you're talking about using the relative statistics of school shootings in the US vs. other countries, then I find that to be a valid, and not a "for the children" argument, as it's typically brought up with other statistics to cover the entirety of gun-related crime/etc.

      As an aside, you're stretching the Second Amendment's meaning if you think that all gun control violates it; not even the NRA thinks that. I live in a state where it's easier to get a gun than a car, and I find that to be ridiculous. I would be for tighter licensing controls, at least to the level of cars - why do I have to prove I can safely drive a car before I'm allowed a license to drive, but I can wander around in public with a gun without any kind of license, or that I can buy one without any evidence that I'm even remotely competent at gun safety?

      Likewise, the "have the government make this decision because it will decide more intelligently than the parents can" argument is almost-entirely a Democrat thing. It's not a "for your children" argument, it's a "for those other parents' children

      Once again, that's a false argument. Nearly everything the government does - in fact, pretty much the entire point of having a government involved in any kind of regulation - is to do this. The point is minimum standards, and the general safety of the citizens. And the fallacy you're bringing up here is that what parents do with their children only affect their children. The current anti-vaxxer bullshit is a perfect example of this - the government didn't step in when it should have (by requiring kids going to school to be properly vaccinated), and now we've got measles and whooping cough and other nearly-eradicated diseases having major outbreaks. These outbreaks put more than just those unvaccinated individuals at risk - they also affect those with weak immune systems, babies too young for vaccines, people who got the vaccine but it just didn't take, etc. by interfering with the herd immunity.

      All sorts of health, safety, and education mandates fall into that category, such as the Democrat hostility to alternatives to public schools.

      Hate to tell you this, but that hostility you're talking about isn't just Democrats, and among Democrats it isn't even close to a universal belief. I am assuming you're talking about diverting public funds to private schools here, in which case the typical reaction against it - which I've heard from Democrats and Republicans alike - is "if the school's not doing good enough because it's underfunded, why are we taking money away from them instead of using it to fix them". Unless you're talking about the whole "public schools are actually liberal brainwashing programs made to teach kids that Jesus isn't real" thing I hear occasionally - at which point you're a crazy fucking idiot and have no idea what you're talking about.

  36. There are better books by kuzb · · Score: 3, Informative

    If learning to make makeshift firearms, explosives, traps, poisons, and other such things interests you, The Poor Man's James Bond is a better series of books. While I don't agree with taking the Anarchist's Cookbook away categorically, it is a pretty dangerous publication in that the instructions (particularly those dealing with explosives) are not very well written, leave out critical steps and safety information. They could potentially cause serious harm or death to the person trying to make them if they do the process like the author outlines.

    Remember, this book was written by a pissed off kid during the Vietnam War. He wasn't an expert with practical hands-on experience. It was something he wrote by researching topics at the public library, and then kept submitting it to publishers until one accepted him.

    --
    BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
  37. Why are you guys relying on Republicans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should be removed from congress.

    She was reelected in 2012 with 62% of the vote. The only way she can lose is if the California Republican Party nominates someone sensible,

    I am not a USian, I do not understand your politics, but I do read your Constitution and your Bill of Rights and none of the above documents mentioned the voters have to rely either on the Democrats or the Republicans to get things done

    To my limited knowledge of the American politics, _any_ citizen of the United States of America who are not charged with crime can run for political office

    So then, why are you guys relying on the Republicans to unseat the Democrat assholes?

    1. Re:Why are you guys relying on Republicans? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      To my limited knowledge of the American politics, _any_ citizen of the United States of America who are not charged with crime can run for political office

      Actually, to run for president it's not enough just to be a citizen, you have to be born in the US. Sorry Ahnold, no naturalized citizens in the White House!

    2. Re:Why are you guys relying on Republicans? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Actually, to run for president it's not enough just to be a citizen, you have to be born in the US

      Not true. You have to be a "natural-born citizen", but no-one really knows what that means. Ted Cruz was born in Canada and there hasn't been much questioning of his status as a natural-born citizen. McCain was born in (or near) the Panama Canal Zone and the Senate agreed that he was eligible to be President.

      Sorry Ahnold, no naturalized citizens in the White House!

      You got that part right.

      --
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    3. Re:Why are you guys relying on Republicans? by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

      To my limited knowledge of the American politics, _any_ citizen of the United States of America who are not charged with crime can run for political office

      Actually, as Marion Barry shows, that's not a requirement. You can definitely both serve and run for election while charged, or even convicted and sitting in prison.

    4. Re:Why are you guys relying on Republicans? by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Duverger's Law. Due to a (presumably) unforeseen tendency of the US voting system, there's a strong tendency toward a two-party system. In the past, there were other prominent political parties. The tendency is that a party makes a major misstep, and a new party gains popularity, replacing it. Occasionally there are groups that split off into their own movements, but most of the time they fade away or re-absorb back into one of the major parties.

      --
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    5. Re: Why are you guys relying on Republicans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Running != winning.

      Running while not being able to win is not only a giant waste of ones time and effort, torturous to ones self and family, and a huge pain in the ass, but can damage you for life in other endeavors. Winning is more by far or even completely different from deserving to win or being qualified for office. It's largely about influencing huge numbers of people in the right place at the right time to turn out and vote for you in very often rigged elections. For example, look up gerrymandering. Or look into wholesale disenfranchisement based on racial or ethnic lines, voter intimidation and fraud, the uselessness of the media or their complicity, and on and on.

      And that's all before we get into politically motivated murder of opposition candidates... That happens from time to time. US elections are bought and sold like the pols who run for office anymore, sorry to say.

      Anyone who tells you the U.S. or any of its political subdivisions is a democracy with anything resembling free OR fair elections is having you on, making fun of you, pulling your leg, yankin your chain, etc.

    6. Re:Why are you guys relying on Republicans? by Imrik · · Score: 1

      It is also reinforced by things like California's Top Two Primaries Act. In this, only the two candidates with the most votes in the primaries will appear on the ballot for the general election.

    7. Re:Why are you guys relying on Republicans? by nbauman · · Score: 2

      Another example was Eugene V. Debs, who ran for president from jail. He was convicted of encouraging people not to join the military in WWII.

      We don't really have freedom of speech in the U.S. It comes and it goes.

    8. Re:Why are you guys relying on Republicans? by myid · · Score: 1

      Do you mean WW I? Debs died in 1926.

    9. Re:Why are you guys relying on Republicans? by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Correct.

  38. Re:The Bitch by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    You should be locked away for your own good.

  39. 1st amendment restricts GOVERNMENT, only. She mean by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Feinstein said:

    not, in my view, protected by the First Amendment and should be removed

    The first amendment says that the federal government may not violate freedom of speech. So saying "not protected by the first amendment " is saying "can be removed by the federal government ".

    I think that's covered in fourth grade, so ...
    > It is notable that she did not say who should remove these from the internet, or how.

    She's either a) quite unfamiliar with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, or b) saying it should be removed by the federal government, which is her and her buddies. Either option is rather bad.

  40. 1st "Congress shall make no law ..." by raymorris · · Score: 1

    She says it's "not protected by the first amendment." The first amendment is "Congress shall make no law ..." So the first protects speech FROM CONGRESS. To say it "is not protected by the first amendment " is to say that Congress can ban it.

      She then says it "should be removed ". You ask "by whom?" Considering that she just said Congress can do it, the only reasonable interpretation of "should" is that she means Congress should do so, possibly indirectly through a federal agency. That's scary only because Congress is HER, she's a senior member and she thinks that her colleagues and her should do this.

  41. SAD... just f#$%ing SAD by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

    Politicians really live in their own little bubble worlds when 99% of the ignorant masses are more tech savvy than our own lawmakers. The words "out of touch" seem woefully inadequate to describe the kind of mind numbing ignorance that we've come to expect from our own politicians. What makes it even more depressing is that this doesn't even come remotely as a surprise.

    If this doesn't make a case for term limits then I have no idea what would. Some of these people would be ill suited to even push a mop at a fast food chain. These career politicians NEED time in the real world.. and I don't mean some cushy consulting job. I mean real labor where you actually have to scratch a living under the policies they've created, without their "connections" or someone to pull strings for them. They're not of the people and they certainly aren't FOR the people. They're just (and it actually pains me to say this) COMPLETE AND UTTER DUMB ASSES!

  42. You left out part of the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For more information see the "Striesand Effect" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect).

  43. Amazon by x0ra · · Score: 1

    Available on Amazon ... http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb...

  44. Tell her to get advice before spouting off by Duvzo · · Score: 2

    Here https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/e-mail-me

    1. Re:Tell her to get advice before spouting off by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Everyone has been telling Feinstein what an ignorant, evil woman she is all along. She doesn't care. She pays someone to plonk that stuff, and won't even see your letter. Don't waste your time. The single best thing you can do is mock Feinstein. Point out how free speech is okay for her, but not for other people; how carrying a concealed pistol in her fucking purse is okay for her, but not for people who actually support freedom. How guns are dangerous, but she can't manage proper trigger or muzzle discipline while holding one in court. Dianne Feinstein is a danger to herself and others at best.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  45. social engineering by drknowster · · Score: 1

    it started with politicians you would think we would be immune to it by now

  46. Democrats are unmasked as fascists. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 0

    Democrat supporters like to call fascism as extreme right but an extreme right person would be for deregulation of the economy. NAZI = National Socialist Worker Party in German.

    --
    Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
    1. Re:Democrats are unmasked as fascists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After the so-called deal with Iran, I was just thinking how Jewish Democrats are modern-day Kapos.

    2. Re:Democrats are unmasked as fascists. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      See also communist countries that had "democratic republic" in the name. It's what you do instead of how you advertise yourself that matters.

  47. The problem is with the ability to read. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should get rid of teaching people how to read, this will help HUGELY with keeping the bad knowledge out.
    Educational TV programs are the way to go, disseminate only goodthink.

  48. Wouldn't help by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    She's an incumbent, which gives her a big advantage. Add to that the number of rabid "I'll never vote republican EVAR" folks in California, she's got enough that she'll never get voted out.

    Only bright spot is she's currently the oldest serving senator. At some point probably reasonably soon, she'll have to leave because of age.

    1. Re:Wouldn't help by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If there was a God, he'd have solved that problem for us already.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    2. Re:Wouldn't help by ultranova · · Score: 2

      If there was a God, he'd have solved that problem for us already.

      What problem? Democracy?

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    3. Re:Wouldn't help by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe we'd have one now. Then again, the average monotheistic god ain't known for his ability to accept competing with others for your vote. They tend to be a dictatorial bunch.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    4. Re:Wouldn't help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's what the "Anarchist Cookbook" is for.

    5. Re:Wouldn't help by Reziac · · Score: 1

      More than an advantage; in California, it's a shoo-in.

      At the last major election before I moved back out of CA -- I forget the year, mighta been 2010 -- public satisfaction with elected state officials was just 13%.

      Yet *100%* of incumbants got re-elected. (I checked every race listed on the Secretary of State site. There were NO exceptions.)

      If that ain't name-recognition at work, well, you tell me.

      And yes, CA has more than its fair share of yellow-dog Democrats.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      The term originated in the late 19th century. These voters would allegedly "vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for any Republican".

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    6. Re:Wouldn't help by reve_etrange · · Score: 1

      At the last major election before I moved back out of CA -- I forget the year, mighta been 2010 -- public satisfaction with elected state officials was just 13%.
      Yet *100%* of incumbants got re-elected. (I checked every race listed on the Secretary of State site. There were NO exceptions.)

      Just as in the federal government, people are happy with their representatives and disapprove of all/most of the others. There's actually no contradiction to a legislature as a whole having an abysmal rating while individual legislators do not.

      --
      .: Semper Absurda :.
    7. Re:Wouldn't help by Reziac · · Score: 1

      That theory has been put forth, and probably has often been true, but it falls down when it comes to state offices -- where statewide, approval rating was in the toilet, yet the same people got re-elected.

      There's also the problem of low turnout. In my SoCal town, the same guy has had a monopoly on the mayor's office for years, yet is widely hated. So how did he stay in office? In the last election while I lived there, less than 2% (yes, TWO percent) of registered voters actually voted. Or at least that was what was reported to the SoS office... there were irregularities sufficient that an investigation was scheduled, but nothing ever came of it.

      I'm reminded of a tale from the 1972 Presidential election, from someone I knew who was doing a door-to-door survey: When asked their views, most people espoused typical conservative points. But the final survey question was: Who do you think would make a good president? And the most common answer, even from very conservative voters, was "Teddy Kennedy" (then the most liberal man in all of politics). The conclusion from the survey's data was that most voters didn't actually know what a given candidate stood for, but they sure as hell knew the names. (Mind you this was back when most of these voters would remember JFK firsthand.)

      Here in Montana, if someone has an abysmal rating, they're likely to get voted out. One might offer a correlation with the much better educational level...

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  49. So what you are saying by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    Is he was pretty accurate on the "fucktard" thing? :D

    Seriously though, this is part of the reason she's undefeatable. If her supporters don't even know who she's running against, how can that person have any hope?

  50. Press release by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

    That term just about sums up what this is about. It's a press release, and y'know when you're a politician press releases are cheaper than talk, which may well turn out to be more expensive poltically if you misspoke or get the wrong cut of a sound bite. Press releases are easier to deny as the work of one of your staffers, which you can promptly fire as a sacrificial goat.

  51. So what? by tgv · · Score: 0

    The comments in this thread are all made from a reasonable understanding of how the Internet works. Sen. Feinstein doesn't seem to share it. Ok, you can laugh about that once. But the contempt for her is beyond normal. It is at troll level. How much do her critics know about politics and running large public organizations? Next to nothing, I bet. And they have even less experience. In line with the season, let me say: think, before you throw the first stone

    Seeing the world in a bad light, doesn't make you superior.
    (source forgotten)

    1. Re:So what? by Goldsmith · · Score: 2

      I appreciate what you're trying to say here, but it's a bit misplaced.

      Feinstein is one of the few people in the country with access to all of the information on the online intelligence gathering done by the federal government. It's part of her job to perform oversight on those programs (not her staff's job, this is one of those things only very specific members of congress can do). If she doesn't understand the internet, that's a serious problem. People have a right to be upset that she hasn't done her job.

      Read a bit more about her, and you'll see there are many very good reasons people are upset with her.

    2. Re:So what? by WSOGMM · · Score: 1

      The comments in this thread are all made from a reasonable understanding of how the Internet works. Sen. Feinstein doesn't seem to share it. Ok, you can laugh about that once. But the contempt for her is beyond normal. It is at troll level. How much do her critics know about politics and running large public organizations? Next to nothing, I bet. And they have even less experience. In line with the season, let me say: think, before you throw the first stone

      Seeing the world in a bad light, doesn't make you superior. (source forgotten)

      +1 ... also, I might add that, for all of the unfettered emotion being expressed in this thread, not very much of it will be focused on actually making things better. Most folks just complain then go back to eating their cheese puffs.

    3. Re:So what? by WSOGMM · · Score: 1

      Where are my cheese puffs?

    4. Re:So what? by tgv · · Score: 1

      > If she doesn't understand the internet, that's a serious problem.

      You're basically saying that every member of congress in the oversight committee should have a deep understanding of how internet works. Well, that's absurd, for two reasons.

      1. They share tasks. Not everyone can overlook everything. And they surely will have staff for these matters, too. Otherwise there wouldn't be any oversight at all.
      2. There is a lot more in this world to worry about than Internet.

      > there are many very good reasons people are upset with her.

      Possibly, but lack of knowledge on one of many possible topics shouldn't be one.

    5. Re:So what? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      It does not require "a deep understanding of how internet works" to know that what she wants is both illegal and nearly impossible. All Senators should have a knowledge of the internet at least equal to the average U.S. adult.It's roughly equivalent to being able to drive a car.

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  52. "they'll die anyway" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She is scum. And evil woman.
    If only someone would take her from us.
    Russia? Syria? Someone.

  53. Remove something from the internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://i.imgur.com/RUN5JMS.gif

  54. "natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by drnb · · Score: 4, Informative

    You have to be a "natural-born citizen", but no-one really knows what that means.

    Not true, "natural-born citizen" is well understood. It means that you were a citizen of the United States of America at the time of your birth. There are various ways of being so born. Being born in the US is one. Being born to a US parent is another. So whether you are born in Canada, Mexico, Panama or Kenya does not matter so long as you have one or more US parents. Its really not that complicated at all.

    1. Re:"natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by Imrik · · Score: 1

      It also includes people who were born in places that have since become part of the US. Otherwise no one would have been eligible to be the first president.

    2. Re:"natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It also includes people who were born in places that have since become part of the US. Otherwise no one would have been eligible to be the first president.

      No, there is a specific exception in the constitution regarding people who were citizens when the constitution was adopted. All such people are now deceased so it is no longer relevant of course.

    3. Re:"natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by drnb · · Score: 1

      It also includes people who were born in places that have since become part of the US. Otherwise no one would have been eligible to be the first president.

      Not quite. I think they said you had to either be (1) a natural born citizen or (2) a citizen at the time of the signing of the US Constitution. Only (1) is still relevant, well, at least until an immortal is discovered.

      I don't think foreign land becoming US land ever counted. For example those born in Texas prior to statehood would have needed a US parent.

    4. Re:"natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Tell it to this candidate

      https://twitter.com/smod2016

    5. Re:"natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      > Not true, "natural-born citizen" is well understood

      You are supposing that matters, in any sense. The US political system doesn't consider what's already written down, the parties care about what they can sell to the public as the correct interpretation.

      --

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      I am Jack9.
      Everyone knows me.
    6. Re:"natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Only if they became citizens at the time the constitution was adopted. That's what the constitution says about the first presidents. A Canadian born only after Canada becomes the 51st state would be considered natural born unless they became part of US territory first. And then only after that point.

    7. Re:"natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy- If you were birthed by C-section then you can't be president.

    8. Re:"natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed one: Simply being born in the USA. Anchor babies count so long as they come back to the US during the window the US gives them to obtain citizenship.

    9. Re: "natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      If it's that clear cut, why all the uproar about Obama's birth certificate? Even on the off chance he had been born outside the U.S., he'd still be a Natural Born Citizen since his mother early was, correct?

      Oh that's right - the deffinition is clearly one interpretation if you support Cruz and clearly the opposite interpretation if you oppose Obama.

      That right there is pretty damn unclear.

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    10. Re: "natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by drnb · · Score: 2

      If it's that clear cut, why all the uproar about Obama's birth certificate?

      Politics. The same reason there is confusion over the 2nd amendment and various other parts of the constitution. Some politicians actively engage in deceit and manipulation. Things are clear when you do your own research rather than take some politicians word on things. Look at Harry Reid's admitted lies about Romney. Its just FUD. They all do it. Every minute a candidate has to spend correcting some batshit crazy thing the media clings to is a win for the opponent. And the media clings to this batshit crazy stuff coming that only a some small fringe believes because its good for rating, i.e. translates into money for them. So there is this "benevolent circle" where politicians make shit up and the media runs with it. Don't confuse air time devoted to a topic with its acceptance by the public, they are not related. Its a kind of "reality" TV, people watch it for the "crazy" not because they think its real.

    11. Re:"natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not the meaning and there are US Supreme Court cases that have defined it.

      Natural born citizen is based on the French concept "Les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays de parents citoyens."
      Translated as basically "the natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."

      A person that has one parent that is an American citizen is a citizen. There is no doubt of that. Even if one of their parents is not American they are still an American citizen. They are not natural born citizen though. The difference is that a natural born citizen's parents are both citizens at the time of their birth.

      The cases that used that confirmed this definition:
      The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
      Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
      Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
      United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

    12. Re:"natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      Ted Cruz was born in Canada! I want to see his birth certificate!

    13. Re:"natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citizen at time of birth is clearly not the correct condition. I'd it were, Martin Van Buren would have been the first legitimate president. All earlier presidents were born before the country existed.

    14. Re:"natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citizen at time of birth is clearly not the correct condition. I'd it were, Martin Van Buren would have been the first legitimate president. All earlier presidents were born before the country existed.

      Citizen at time of birth is the one and only condition today. There is an alternative condition that is no longer relevant, being a citizen at the time the US Constitution was signed.

    15. Re: "natural-born citizen" is well understood ... by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Some politicians actively engage in deceit and manipulation.

      I hereby nominate you for understatement of the century.

  55. Feinstein the Crooked Hag by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

    " In short, removing it from the Internet would be impossible."

    Not true. It would merely be "very difficult".

    Finding a single actual THOUGHT inside the brain of Diane Feinstein; THAT would be impossible. That ancient bint has enriched herself stealing from the American treasury by persuading other government officials to overpay for her husband's corrupt thievery. She is the epitome of the self-serving crooked politician.

  56. Its more US voters are for sale ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How come proven liars such as Pelosi and Feinstein keep on getting re-elected despite all the goddamn things that they have done? Are the USian voters so damn stupid?

    Well stupidity certainly accounts for some of it. Some judge candidates based on how "well meaning" their intentions are. Being lawful, sensible, effective, etc don't count so much for this crowd.

    However for the majority it is simply a matter of being for sale. Whoever offers more gets their votes.

    The Democrats pretty much own these two camps.

    Another camp would be those who judge candidates on a single philosophical opinion. Here the Republicans are competitive since there are many such philosophical opinions, some appealing to Democrats and some appealing to Republicans.

  57. Oh my god? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't tell her about Granddads Wonderful Book of Chemistry or The Poor Man's James Bond. The Anarchist's Cookbook is for children.

  58. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares what that old rag has to say? Been around way too long; old beyond usefulness, out of touch, and kids today don't give a rats ass what disastrously bad, wrong, stupid ideas you're likely to find in that dusty old thing that won't probably work or will do more harm to anyone who follows that drivel than good!

    Hey! I was talking about the Anarchist's Cookbook! I guess I could have been referring to DF. HEY! She IS the Anarchist's Cookbook!

    Someone should tell her to call Babs about getting things removed from the Internet. She can set her straight I'm sure!

  59. My two cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe my post will get lost in the sea of replies, but oh well.

    I want to see...
    1. 12 year term limits for Congress. e.g., one senate term, three house terms. 14 years if appointed to fill a vacancy.
    2. A requirement that all Congressional districts must be drawn square-like.
    3. Open up vote-by-mail to everyone as this "going to the poll" thing probably isn't fair to the poor.
    4. For presidential elections, the top six national vote-getters of the previous presidential election would have automatic ballot access in all 50 states. If someone runs as an independent, that individual gets ballot access if he or she pleases. Otherwise, it's by party.
    5. Public campaign financing.

    1. Re:My two cents by tylikcat · · Score: 1

      1. I'm not convinced on term limits. I'm willing to be convinced, mind you, but, I'm not sure that forcibly bringing in new blood makes the process less corrupt, rather than simply more dysfunctional. Certainly, it needs to be applied uniformly, as congress-critters tend to acumulate power over time, so any state that imposes their own term limits will be putting themselves as a disadvantage.
      2. Can we say "compact" rather than square-like? Circles, hexagons and so on would be perfectly fine by me.
      3. Yes.
      4. The individuals, or the parties?
      5. As in, no private funding? The money in campaigns is seriously out of hand.

    2. Re:My two cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. We have some in Congress there for decades. We need fresh blood. We need people who aren't going to become complacent and will actually take a risk. Hopefully term limits will make it more difficult to become corrupt. It's not perfect. And yes, it would be nationwide, not per state.

      2. I'd be willing to compromise, yes. Congressional districts. States need to deal with their own legislative districts though.

      4. I thought I was clear, so, an example...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008#Results
      Democratic, Republican, Naders, Libertarian, Constitution, and Green were the top vote getters in 2008. With that being said, if my idea were implemented for 2012, Democratic, Republican, Nader, Libertarian, Constitution, and Green would all have automatic ballot access in all 50 states. Nader was independent in 2008, so, he, individually, would get ballot access, just to be clear.

      If a party is part of the top six vote-getters, that party gets ballot access in the next presidential election.
      If an independent candidate happens to get into the top six, then that person gets automatic ballot access.

      This is my idea. I hope I made it clear enough.

      5. Yes, in order for a candidate to receive public funding for a campaign, he or she wouldn't be permitted to accept private funding. Or, maybe strict limits on private funding. Plus, there'd be a signature requirement in order to get the funding.

  60. Ban all books and burn down the libraries! by Skylinux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ~10 years old. Wanted to make a large "Silvesterknaller" (small explosive for New Years).
    Went to a public library and looked at a few old books, describing how to make black powder and other things that go boom.

    Bought a few chemicals, build an electronic igniter and it went boom. It was too easy to achieve so I lost interest in blowing things up.

    It's like the brouhaha about 3D printing guns. Every hardware store has better stock to make something that accelerates a projectile /FacePalm

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    1. Re:Ban all books and burn down the libraries! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      My dorm mates in college were into making their own pyrotechnics. Magnesium flares, mercury fulminate, they experimented with lots of things that flashed and went "boom". Apparently they didn't have any problem finding instructions for making them! (By the way, this was in 1980, when you still could just go down the the local chemical supply store and buy all the ingredients necessary for "bomb making". Now I suspect that if you ask for any of that stuff, they immediately dial the FBI.)

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  61. Two women?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excellent. I'm glad to hear that. There are disproportionately fewer women building bombs today and it's high time that ceiling was eliminated.

    In other news, I guess I have to take down ACB and ACB2 from my anonymous FTP... damn.

  62. other stuff... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like the candidato photos taken from celebrities should go too? I mean the ones that were not voluntarelly published. Good luck removing those ones from the internet.

  63. Next up, Sen. Feinstein deals with Edward Snowden by scsirob · · Score: 1

    Sen Feinstein also presented plans to deal with the Edward Snowden situation. In a stunning move, she came up with legislation that would make Edward's mother un-pregnant. Feinstein: "This is really simple. By forbidding Mrs Snowden to be pregnant, Edward does not exist, therefor the whole data leak issue is a thing of the past".

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  64. PTSD induced irrationality not best way to govern by drnb · · Score: 4, Informative

    To understand her position you need to understand where she's coming from. She's probably one of the few politicians to have seen gun violence first hand. She was there when the SF Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk were assassinated. She grabbed Harvey Milk's wrist to check for a pulse and her finger entered one of Milk's bullet wounds and was badly shaken by the event.

    Basing laws on the irrational emotional reactions of a PTSD sufferer is probably not the best way to go. And it certainly is no excuse for betrayal of the constitution and the deception and manipulation of voters.

  65. Re:Her bodyguards beat me so badly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's sad to see just how much of a Republican Pelosi is. She is nearly the perfect Republican. She has so much. Republicans love hate. She hates women. Republicans hate women. She love for humans to die to support corporations. Republicans also love to see corporations to kill humans. Just think about how much she praised Union Carbide for killing so many Indians. She joked about it so many times. So many times. She hates Indians. She rejoiced when they died. She was also directly involved with killing more of us. She hates us and want us to die, just like the rest of her Republican kind. CONservatives like her kill so many of us every day. She and her CONservative kind control nearly every aspect of our lives.

  66. Hardly the most dangerous book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The books that seem to be causing the most problems with violence are the religious ones, like the christianist bible, and the islamist koran.
    Why can't the US regime look at banning these books instead, and banning corrupt politicians that take huge bribes from the armaments industry, and keep America's eternal wars, and destabilisation of the world brewing?

  67. Wow, the moderators here really suck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They constantly support Comcast and the Republicans. In this case, they are supporting Republican rapes. Pelosi sucks, but the moderators here attack anyone that dares stand-up to her.

  68. in short by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    she's an ignorant fool

    1. Re:in short by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      If you study information theory, you'll find that your statement conveys zero information, i.e. it doesn't tell us anything we don't already know.

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  69. Simple solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just tell him 'Yes', give it a week, then let him know that the internet people have agreed to remove it.

    You look like you've done your job and if it pops up again, you can blame it on the internet people.

  70. Such Knowledge Is Vital by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is of prime importance that such information be widely available as a civil defense measure. In times of invasion, tyranny or wide spread criminality it is imperative that civilians have the means and knowledge to defend themselves.

    Not only should this book be published, it should be accurate and expanded.

    If anyone is worried about terrorism, then it is probably pertinent to ask, why someone would bomb you? I think you will find that they have a solid argument in favor of such action and that you, as a people, need to re-examine your behavior.

  71. This is why we can't have nice things on the 'net by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    These are the people who make laws concerning things they have very obviously no clue about. They try to legislate something like the internet, which is possible, mind you, but you have to take its properties into account and define your laws accordingly.

    But as long as we allow people to make such laws who repeatedly and blatantly display they are unfit to make such laws because they have no knowledge of the underlying problem in the first place, this will not improve. We will get useless, unexecutable and generally harebrained laws that are out of touch with the realities that govern the internet, laws that not only do not address the issue but also serve no purpose but alienating the people using it from those making the laws.

    How should I trust a politician to make a sensible law in any other area where I cannot verify its usefulness? I don't know much about, say, agriculture. I cannot judge laws concerning this area. But I can judge laws concerning internet, IT security and related topics. And I can only say that I'm yet to see a sensible, useful, executable law that actually addresses the issue it is supposed to address.

    So tell me, why should I trust these people to make any better decisions in areas where I cannot verify just how stupid their ideas are?

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  72. Perhaps this senator by Torp · · Score: 1

    ... should have a chat with Barbara Streisand ... ... or maybe hire a kindergarten kid as his/her advisor of digital matters ...

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  73. Incompetence. Don't accept it. It's that simple. by geekmux · · Score: 1

    If I were to advertise myself as a doctor and walk into a medical convention and start spouting off that we should start using voodoo dolls and leeches to heal people, I would probably never work again.

    Why is it that ANYONE puts up with this level of sheer incompetence. And yes, this is incompetence. We you fail to grasp this level of basic understanding of how information is shared across the internet, you fail to qualify for a job to control said information.

    She's just not "old-fashioned" or "out of touch". She's an incompetent moron, for not even having the sense to be advised before opening her mouth on something like this.

  74. Some other books to remove from the intertubes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bibles of all kinds and creeds for their inherent violence, hate mongering, incitement, subversion and general skulduggery should be removed from the intertubes before any other less bothersome tomes.

  75. Let nature run by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

    I think the correct response to someone trying to make a bomb using a recipe found in The Anarchist Cookbook should be to stand back and let nature take its course.

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  76. No law broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the USA SHOULD HAVE OBEYED THE LAW

    You should learn what the law allows the President to do.

  77. Great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should also outlaw cancer!

  78. In my experience by drolli · · Score: 1

    Old chemistry university textbooks (even for beginners) contain everything you need to know about how to make explosives.

    It may be less condensed (you actually may have to read 100 pages), and it may not be in the form of "mix a and b and cook on the oven at 200 degree", but I would not follow some simple recipe withou understanding every step anyway (i actually dont play with explosive chemistry at all, too many stupic kids blew off their fingers).

     

  79. The NSDAP was about as "socialist" and "worker" by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    centered as the DPRK is "democratic" and controlled by the "people".

    You do realize that Hitler had plenty of actual socialists and communists liquidated, right?

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  80. Way to go Senator from CALIFORNIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    run $streisandeffect;

  81. WARNING!!! VIRUS ALERT!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I suspected as soon as I read this post, THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO INFECT YOUR COMPUTERS WITH A VIRUS!!! Do not follow this link and attempt to download this book!!!! Very important. Do not try to download.

  82. John Gilmore by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Apparently Feinstein is unfamiliar with John Gilmore's adage, despite the fact they live in the same city: "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

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  83. from the people who brought you... by steak · · Score: 1

    the shoulder thing that goes up, comes this seasons greatest ineptitude.

  84. What year is it?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a copy of the AC when I was about twelve years old, back in the 80s. It was almost 20 years old *then*. And really, it is an incomplete and often inaccurate book that is pretty quaint by today's standards.

    These idiots need to get the fuck out of office. And life.

  85. Go for it Sen. Feinstein! by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    After you're done with that, remove all copyrighted material from the internet. You go bro!

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  86. Time for a knowledge-based political party by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Educated people have ability and moral obligation to become political leaders, and yet we do nothing. There are many inexpensive ways to motivate people on Internet. 90% of public will go with whatever they see on Google, Facebook or Twitter and only 0.01% of talented individuals know how to make the information easily discoverable and understandable among all the noise on Internet. If smartest people refuse to work for Republicans and Democrats, the later will lose all ability to reach anyone under the age of 60.

    There are a lot policy decisions that are dictated by simple facts and have little room for ideological debate. Global warming is either happening or it's not. Cutting taxes on the rich either stimulates economy or hurts it. Banning anarchist cookbook from Internet is either feasible or it isn't. Once we get all the nutcases out of office, we can start solving problems in areas where all reasonable debate has been settled long ago. And move on to issues where more intelligent debate is actually needed.

  87. bravo for the promotion by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 1

    The naivity of some politicians is unbelievable. In that case one could have hardly made a better job in promoting the material. The call for a removal from the book must have multiplied its distribution. Its not only a complete lack of understanding how digital material is distributed today, it also shows a total lack of insight how media work. Its naive and even could be considered borderline stupid.

  88. My View by raal · · Score: 1

    While I have to respect that she has an opinion and she does share it. This is one of the great things in the US is that we still can share our opinions right or wrong.

    This is a very slippery slope that is just a really bad idea. Once we start "banning" things where does it stop? I realize there already is censorship in certain places even here in the US it is wrong and goes against our values and beliefs of our country.

    I personally don't agree with her statement and it is a huge slap in the face of Americans and our beliefs.

  89. see you next tuesday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this cunt has been a blight in politics from sf mayor onward.

  90. Someone stole her megahurtz ... by Crypto+Cavedweller · · Score: 1

    ... and common sense.

  91. clearly, Feinstein's not a vegetarian... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    'Cause it would seem that the evil, un-American bitch has mad cow... :p

  92. Stirring the pot by dbIII · · Score: 1

    So where does that lead with the second amendment folks who say they have guns so that they can overthrow the United States of America if necessary?

    It's a slippery slope and a bit hard to work out where to draw the line. The second amendment folks had better hope that whoever is drawing it decides that they are not a serious threat.

  93. Re:PTSD induced irrationality not best way to gove by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Basing laws on the irrational emotional reactions

    That's how these things happen.
    For instance, the death penalty came back because of some clown in Washington.

  94. Sounds legit to me by russotto · · Score: 1

    The US Army Field Manual on improvised munitions has safer (for the budding terrorist), more practical recipes anyway.

  95. Backup! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No problem. I have my backup copy offline for safe storage. Far far away from Feinsteins meddling hands.

  96. Dianne Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    should be removed from the planet. zero tolerance for fascists.

  97. if rich people got the same treatment as the rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of us: a cop would have read her statement and had her arrested for "consipriacy to violate civil rights" and she'd get plea-bargained into 10+ years in prison.

  98. Pablum by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    I assume that she was simply trying to placate her voters with rhetoric rather than actually seeking to ban a book. Frankly a normal education will tend to teach bright people how to build a pretty good bomb. A tiny knowledge of physics, chemistry or even eight grade level science will give a kid all he needs to build a bomb. For example science students are taught about dust explosions in grain elevators and how violent and dangerous they are. So any kid in middle school would tend to know that a bunch of dust in the air and a spark can create a violent explosion. Simply defining an explosion as rapid combustion clues students in. And teaching basic safety to kids such as using propane indoors without proper ventilation reveals the potential of using a building or room as a bomb. A trip to a hobby store and a look at model airplanes can teach a kid how to wire a simple remote control switch. By the time a kid gets to the tenth grade chemistry class the teacher has no choice but to teach how to avoid explosions in the lab. Naturally teaching how to avoid explosions in fact teaches just how to cause an explosion.

  99. floppy disk by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

    sheeeeit I still have a copy of anarchist cookbook 2000 somhwere on an old floppy disk. most of the recipes look like they were made up by edgy teenagers with no knowledge of physics or chemistry.

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  100. Why doesn't BP remove all the oil from the gulf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Senator, why don't you instead pressure BP to remove all of the oil they spilled in the Gulf ? Simple state that oil in the environment should be banned and it will magically fix itself. I'm sure that's how the legislature think the world works.

  101. Delete all the words by lhowaf · · Score: 1

    Pull the Curtin on this idiot: "Diane, you pompous ass."

  102. so how old were you when you first read a copy...? by svalery · · Score: 1

    i think i was about 12.... and that was in 1978!

  103. "Why I Am Not a Conservative" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Conservatism is not Libertarianism. Why I Am Not A Conservative is a chapter from F.A. Hayek's book "The Constitution of Liberty."

  104. the point is contrl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "In short, removing it from the Internet would be impossible."

    Removing it from the internet is not the point, the point is increased laws to harass citizens for other things, once you start making these kind of rules. First they came for the Anarchist Cookbook and I said nothing, I am not an acarchist chef....

    Plus grandstanding

  105. Feinstein should be removed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From both the Senate as well as from the Internet! What an id10t! I used to like here, but I think she has lost her mind. Too bad "the right to be forgotten" doesn't work both ways!

  106. Implying? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    They were arrested for bomb making? Is that illegal? I sort of thought at least America would allow that sort of thing.

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  107. A bit late but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good thing i got my copy last century then.

  108. Re:Her bodyguards beat me so badly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol, someone forgot to post as AC...

  109. Democrats are anti 1st amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a surprise. They always afraid of an open discussion.

  110. There she goes again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dianne, you ignorant bitch, READ THE GODDAMN CONSTITUTION SOME DAY!!!

    oh let's all get over the caps filter it's really stupid because sometimes like you really gotta yell to get across to ignorant or willfully stupid people that the first amendment to that part of the constitution called the "bill of rights" specifically says the government has no right to be demanding people take down anything from the internet, or a library, or anywhere else, and that there are some things for which the cure is far worse than the disease, which is especially true for nearly everything liberals are trying to do...

  111. Sen. Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sen. Feinstein Says Anarchist Cookbook Should Be "Removed From the Internet"

    And Senator Feinstein is a Progressive and wannabe Totalitarian. Next.

  112. As an American, I disagree. by gwolf · · Score: 1

    There are over 8,000Km of America (how many miles would that be?) South of your border. The name "United States of America" means that, among the existing States in America, some decided to unite and become a nation — but that nation does not necessarily span all of America.

  113. What she means to say by allfieldsrequired · · Score: 1

    What she means to say, and what is probably what she is driving at, is: "We should be free to arrest and incarcerate you for reading this material"

  114. Maybe I'm missing something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but I don't see any calls to ban anything from the Internet in her statement.

  115. get yourself together cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://vimeo.com/15164136

    just like a cunt

  116. yes you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, aren't you lefties happy about net neutrality? Now such insane things are possible.

  117. It's a series of tubes, I'm sure we can do this. by Tristao · · Score: 0

    Perhaps diverting all the tubes to a central tank, and then fishing out the offending book. I dunno, I'm just sptiballin' here, just hire some asian guy to do it.

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  119. I suspect she's grandstanding. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least I hope she is.
    BTW, as a Kalifornian, I've been long aware that although she is a Democrat, she is also a wealthy aristocrat. Furthermore, her political life goes back before the current situation Poltical Parties were aligned with political ideology. Historically the 'Pubs and Dems were defined by historical alliances, not ideology. And yes, I am asserting there is neither party is Liberal, let alone leftist these days. Feinstein is more loyal to wealth and aristocracy than to Democrats, Liberals, or The Law.
    PS. I believe in The Rights of the Individual by Limiting the Power of Government (power corrupts), Free Markets, and The Rule of Law. That makes me a Classical Liberal. Search for Classical Liberal on Wikipedia for more info. Free Markets? Never existed.

  120. Yup: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The right honourable Sen. Feinstein hates everybody because she was the wallflower in high school that never got asked to dance. She needs at least two orifices sewn shut!!! Our republic is doomed if we continue to countenance these totally sefl absorbed psychopaths in the halls of power.

  121. Your Pelousi quote is wrong. by BenderTheRobot · · Score: 0

    Your quote is wrong.

    She said. "But we have to pass the bill so that YOU can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. "

    Far from being a moronic statement, Pelosi condescends to tell us we don't need to know what's in the bill until AFTER the it is passed.

    If they told us what's in it, people might find out how they would get screwed. Then there is more risk it might not pass.

    Consider how many storefronts are turning into "Urgent Care" run by nurses who write prescriptions for drugs. Ostensibly, people skilled at running pawn shops, check cashing stores and payday loan stores wrote Pelosi's bill to break into the Health Care business.

  122. Forced me to go get a copy! by servant · · Score: 1

    If some humorous bureaucrat is going to say I shouldn't have a copy, it forced me to go get one and read it.

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  123. Senatorette DiFi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DiFi is one of the biggest goofs in Congress. And Senatorette BabBo (CA also) is not far behind.

  124. Re:PTSD induced irrationality not best way to gove by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To understand her position you need to understand where she's coming from. She's probably one of the few politicians to have seen gun violence first hand. She was there when the SF Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk were assassinated. She grabbed Harvey Milk's wrist to check for a pulse and her finger entered one of Milk's bullet wounds and was badly shaken by the event.

    Basing laws on the irrational emotional reactions of a PTSD sufferer is probably not the best way to go. And it certainly is no excuse for betrayal of the constitution and the deception and manipulation of voters.

    As President Truman once said: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

  125. Sen. Feinstein is dangerous! by MT.LinuxUsr · · Score: 1

    Happy Easter Sen. Dianne Feinstein. You are now a communist!
    It's called thought control. In America, we have freedom of speech.

    Have you considered moving to China? Their government thinks just
    like you do.

  126. Motivates finding another copy to download... by Zymergy · · Score: 1
    Not endorsing every book written, but I am all for the First Amendment.

    Reading this story is motivating enough to download another copy of the book on GP...

  127. What year is it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did I just wake up in the 90's? Holy crap wait till she finds out about 4 chan in 10 years.

  128. Sen Feinstein & Anarchist Cookbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sen Feinstein's call to ban the internet cookbook is a perfect example of what politicians do best. Pretend to do something about a problem, knowing full well it's a worthless gesture but one likely to convince the people you're working for them. And, let no one argue that Sen Feinstein is not a consummate politician.

  129. Are you pulling my leg? by dbIII · · Score: 1

    In case you are not just pretending to be incredibly ignorant of recent history and it really did slip you by, the infamously corrupt senator from Nevada, although that doesn't narrow it down much either if you didn't have the name.
    One of the many fuckups caused by that Senator dabbling in the intelligence community, sometimes for personal gain, was supplying millions of dollars worth of weapons to a prominent Afgan Warlord who later fought against the US on the side of the Taliban - thus a textbook case of "the enemy of my enemy many also be my enemy".
    See also Oliver North selling weapons to Hezbolla, not a high point in US-Israel relations.

  130. Let's Streisand the hell out of it. by Phreakiture · · Score: 1
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  131. Neither do I by davesbizarre · · Score: 1

    I am USian and man- I don't understand it either. Everyone in politics is a crook. I know that's a generic blanket statement but damn. It's to a point where to the rest of the world, we have to look absolutely ridiculous.

    1. Re:Neither do I by haruchai · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if much of the rest of the world is significantly better - there are some very corrupt systems out there and some truly batshit politicians in a lot of countries.

      If America were to draw up districts in a neutral fashion, put some curbs on the revolving door between industry and Congress, overturned Citizens' United and made donor transparency a requirement, that would address most of my objections.

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  132. Books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ban them.
    Burn them.
    It's for the Children.
    Start with the Constitution First!

    Can't we just read and learn from history?
    Oh wait, those books were banned last year.

  133. Anything else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think its safe to say that there are a million other things that "should" probably be removed from the internet. Child porn, snuff videos, Rick Astley. Anyone remember that pain olmypics garbage that was all over the place mid 2000's, I'm fairly sure that craps still floating around. But the general concession from society is that just ain't gonna happen. But a book from the 70's that at this point is so out of date you could get better directions from a life hacks article, this is your line in the sand Sen. Feinstein? How bout this, why don't you choke to death on a big floppy dildo, film it, and then have your estate put it on the internet for all the weirdos to get off to with all the other smut and garbage floating around clogging up server banks all over the net. In exchange everyone in the world will agree to whipe out every existing copy of the Anarchist Cookbook. Way I see it that is a fair give and take.

  134. LOL by warpuck · · Score: 0

    I was issued that FM when I was stationed in Ft Benning. She probably drives with two handed steering wheel death grip, doing the minimum speed on the freeway too. Unless she is in the limo with her armed driver and armed co-driver.