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Microsoft Announces Windows Holographic Platform

An anonymous reader writes: At its Build 2015 developer conference [Wednesday], Microsoft announced the Windows Holographic Platform. In short, the company will let developers turn Windows 10 apps into holograms for HoloLens. On stage, Microsoft showed a Windows video app that you can simply control with your voice: Just say "follow me" and the video app moves along as you walk around a room. "Every single universal Windows app has these capabilities," said Alex Kipman, technical fellow for the operating system group at Microsoft. Apps can look like little windows, or they can be more than that. The demo included a photos app, a browser, Skype, a holographic Start Menu, and even a dog on the floor.

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  1. Well... by gti_guy · · Score: 1

    Isn't that a clever use of resources!

  2. Another day, another gimmick by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    When you're done playing, kindly place it next to the Kinect, will ya?

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    1. Re:Another day, another gimmick by SpectreBlofeld · · Score: 2

      Kinect technology is incorporated into this platform. It's what guides the orientation of the visual overlay faster and more accurately than accelerometers and orientation sensors.

    2. Re:Another day, another gimmick by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

      When you're done playing, kindly place it next to the Kinect, will ya?

      HoloLense has a killer app that will draw many to it, if you think about it for a minute--it's a 4 letter word. Not sure if it would compete with VR, but it would be slightly less conspicuous.

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    3. Re:Another day, another gimmick by kernelistic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Golf! What a great idea!

    4. Re:Another day, another gimmick by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Golf! What a great idea!

      You got it!

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  3. Not Holograms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish the press and Microsoft would stop using the word "Hologram" when describing this. It's Virtual Reality. There are no holograms involved whatsoever.

    1. Re:Not Holograms by RevWaldo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...

      Wake me when they make real advances in holography, like holographic video.

      .

    2. Re:Not Holograms by Arkh89 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly, I am wondering if this qualifies as false advertising : using the name of an advanced technology that would be enabling primary functions of the product but is not actually present.

    3. Re:Not Holograms by trout007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it is technically augmented reality.

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    4. Re:Not Holograms by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, it's definitely a hologram. But then, so is the whole universe.

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    5. Re:Not Holograms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Its not VR either buddy.

      Its more Augmented Reality.

      There IS a difference...

    6. Re:Not Holograms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually its AUGMENTED Reality.

    7. Re:Not Holograms by flarb936 · · Score: 2

      I think Microsoft may be able to get away with this on a technicality because the waveguide used in the glasses may be a holographic material. Kind of like this http://physicsworld.com/cws/ar...

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    8. Re:Not Holograms by Tx · · Score: 1

      It's being augmented reality does not have any bearing on whether it is holographic or not; augmented reality means that the generated display is overlayed on the real world, so that the user sees both real and virtual objects simultaneously. This could be done with a holographic display as well as with a conventional stereoscopic display.

      Heven't seen any convincing info that Microsoft is using a light-field display in HoloLens, although they are trying to make out that they are doing something clever, but the chances are it's not actually holographic.

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    9. Re:Not Holograms by trout007 · · Score: 1

      I see. Yeah there is no way it's holographic.

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    10. Re:Not Holograms by Arkh89 · · Score: 1

      but the chances are it's not actually holographic.

      You can be certain about it. There is no real-time holographic display as of today. For LFDs (Light Field Display), NVidia had a prototype a few years back and it is reasonable to think that Magic Leap is pursuing something similar. Yet, I don't think the technology is mature enough to be able to generate dense light fields needed for high quality scene rendering.

    11. Re:Not Holograms by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      Neither holography nor light-field-display is necessary for a goggle based device. Each retina collects photons on a surface and with a single eye you get a 2D image*. Your brain combines the images from your eyes in very complex ways to create a 3D internal model, but as far as what needs to get shined into your eyes, it's just the 2D image constructed on your retina that matters. Slightly different images to form a realtime stereogram is all that's necessary.

      (*although with one eye that moves around your brain can construct 3D models. I've known people with one eye that had very depth perception for athletic things, and have experimented a little throwing and catching with one eye and it is possible to be accurate).

    12. Re:Not Holograms by Arkh89 · · Score: 1

      Each retina collects photons on a surface and with a single eye you get a 2D image*. Your brain combines the images from your eyes in very complex ways to create a 3D internal model, but as far as what needs to get shined into your eyes, it's just the 2D image constructed on your retina that matters.

      That is incorrect. There are numerous 3D depth perception cues, among which are stereo-vision, depth of field (things far from what you are looking at appear blurry) and prior knowledge of the objects size (knowing the average size of a car, you know that if you see it "small", then it must be far away). With only one eye, the last two are perfectly valid. The very last one is very simple to reproduce but the depth of field is far from being trivial to implement. For VR head set such as the Oculus, you would need retinal tracking, map to the corresponding depth of the observed object and adapt the rendering of the whole scene to this depth of field (with of course, very small latency), see http://3dvis.optics.arizona.edu/research/research.html. Having different cues in a system can cause serious discomfort to a large portion of the population.

    13. Re:Not Holograms by mark-t · · Score: 2

      They use the word hologram to describe this because that's the word that pop culture identifies with... even though it is wrong.

      You are right, however... this no more makes holograms than a View-Master toy invented in the 60's... it just has a lot more tech behind it.

    14. Re:Not Holograms by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      There are numerous 3D depth perception cues, among which are stereo-vision,

      stereo vision is constructed in your brain from the two slightly different images on your retinas. Your brain does a lot of complicated things in constructing 3D models-- to the extent that you can have perfect refraction in both eyes and perfect retinas, but be missing half of your field of view due to neural damage in between your eyeball and your conscious brain.

      depth of field

      which is part of the 2D map of photons on your retina. I can construct a 2D image that has proper DOF cues.

      prior knowledge of the objects size

      which is also in your brain and unnecessary for a 3D display (but is necessary in the computer that constructs the images to project)

      LFD can make the job easier so you can be less vomit-inducing without retinal tracking, but it's not necessary.

    15. Re:Not Holograms by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Well played, oodaloop... well played.

    16. Re:Not Holograms by Arkh89 · · Score: 1

      I can construct a 2D image that has proper DOF cues.

      Yes, you can construct it but it your eye is still focusing on a plane and the depth cues you are feeding it (them) do not match this. If you "force" your vision on something blurry, the device better has some way to find out this and tell it to the rendering engine. Retinal tracking allows the rendering engine to know what part of the scene is observed (in the center of the FoV) which helps for finding the actual depth and focusing parameters.

      Yet, whatever tricks you use, the crystalline lens will always come back at the same position to have the in-focus image while you will perceive a change in DoF. This is another mismatch some people will perceive and there is no way to correct for it in stereo-vision. LFD might be slightly better at this but holography is the ultimate solution here.

      I don't think that a stereo-based device you can use, with discomfort, for may be one hour and before getting really nauseous will have a good commercialization potential.

    17. Re:Not Holograms by luther349 · · Score: 1

      its not vr its augmented realty. unlike vr the real world isnt blocked from view.

    18. Re:Not Holograms by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      LFD might be slightly better at this but holography is the ultimate solution here.

      Holography is much further off than practical LFD, which is further off than stereogram goggles. Realtime holographic imaging with useful performance has only become practical recently, and still only in limited applications. Realtime true holographic display is a whole different animal.

    19. Re:Not Holograms by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "There is no real-time holographic display as of today."

      If our universe turns out to be a 3D projection, I'm going to point and laugh, endlessly.

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    20. Re:Not Holograms by quenda · · Score: 1

      Its not completely fake.
      There is a real hologram sticker on the media packaging.

  4. Doesn't replace the real thing. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    and even a dog on the floor

    "Happiness is a warm puppy." Even Charlie Brown and Lucy knew this. An image of a dog is far from the real thing. Hopefully, virtual "reality" will never replace the real thing - though with the number of people living their lives on facebook and twitter, maybe it will help drop the birthrate well below zero when the only sex most people get is cyber.

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    1. Re:Doesn't replace the real thing. by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      "Happiness is a warm puppy." Even Charlie Brown and Lucy knew this. An image of a dog is far from the real thing.

      I wonder if I could put the dog on the floor, say "follow me," then put the HoloLense on my dog. I'm sure he'd have fun chasing it for a while, or at least I'd be entertained. :-D

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    2. Re:Doesn't replace the real thing. by jandersen · · Score: 1

      "Happiness is a warm puppy."

      Or indeed anything with a bit of meat on, if you're hungry.

    3. Re:Doesn't replace the real thing. by pitchpipe · · Score: 4, Funny
      For some reason I read that as "Happiness is a warm pussy," and found myself nodding enthusiastically in agreement.

      Maybe the cyber ones will have heaters.

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    4. Re:Doesn't replace the real thing. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      That's a male you replied to.

    5. Re:Doesn't replace the real thing. by BootNinja · · Score: 1

      how can you have a birthrate below zero? if everybody stopped reproducing today, wouldn't that merely result in a birthrate of 0?

    6. Re:Doesn't replace the real thing. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Some animals "get it". I remember walking my dogs one night and taking out the laser pointer to get a skunk's attention. Wasn't fooling him for a second - he figured out where the beam was coming from and charged us. Good thing there was a fence between us. And it wasn't a coincidence, because he stopped when I turned it off - and started again when I turned it back on.

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  5. Its for sharing perspective. by MitchellThompson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wired magazine covered it a month ago. Yep, Microsoft's new CEO is trying new things and attempting to restructure the company to be more accepting to these far-out-there ideas. Kudos. The old mantra was to only focus on core enterprise software and the Windows OS. I think the holograph idea is interesting, no doubt, but media is spinning it into "Look Microsoft bought Minecraft and they are working on a holograph system. ITS FOR GAMING!!11". No, the article I read spun it into a more mundane but useful application. Remote training / services etc. Examples were a plumber who can see your pipes and can show you in 3d what goes where... Or call up your buddy and he can help you fix your engine because he can see in 3d what you are seeing, and vice versa. This isn't VR. Its not exploring mars from the rover's perspective. Its sharing a perspective. That- is interesting.

    1. Re:Its for sharing perspective. by SpectreBlofeld · · Score: 1

      > "Look Microsoft bought Minecraft and they are working on a holograph system. ITS FOR GAMING!!11". No, the article I read spun it into a more mundane but useful application.

      It can be both.

    2. Re:Its for sharing perspective. by MitchellThompson · · Score: 1

      It can be both.

      Yes, but media hype. Just sayin.

  6. Finally by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Virtual anime girlfriends* are finally here!

    * Don't worry, I'll store them in separate folders so they don't know about each other.

    1. Re:Finally by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Funny

      * Don't worry, I'll store them in separate folders so they don't know about each other.

      If it's OK with you, I'm going to pretend they're all in the same folder.

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    2. Re:Finally by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Oh, that's hot.

    3. Re:Finally by TheDarkener · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't worry, I'll store them in separate folders so they don't know about each other.

      Don't forget to remove the "Everyone" group permissions.

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    4. Re:Finally by hodet · · Score: 1

      chmod 700 - need to be executable as well.

    5. Re:Finally by hodet · · Score: 1

      ah damn, no Linux version

    6. Re:Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And don't forget to enable the grope permissions!

    7. Re:Finally by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Virtual anime girlfriends* are finally here!

      Hows the van running Dr Krieger.

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    8. Re:Finally by antdude · · Score: 1

      Sweet. Let me get my viruses. ;)

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  7. What we've all been waiting for! by eyenot · · Score: 1

    I'll go right down in the basement and haul up my holographic projector, I'm sure the wife won't mind if I borrow the kids' sleep chamber cryo unit to fire up the display. After all, how can they mind since they're all holograms? Ha, ha! Clever people we are these days.

    Yes, I've been wondering when they were going to get around to building the operating system for that machine all of us ran out and bought in 1974 or whenever. I knew it was a good investment. Everybody said, "no, dude, don't buy the holographic projector, there's no O.S. for that, yet." But I just punched them in the god damned groins and ran away laughing because I'm a genius.

    I'll have to dig it out of my giant mountain of 3D glasses and virtual reality headsets and body hoists, but that will give me an opportunity to sort them all by decade. Maybe they will make an operating system for the VR things or 3D glasses next, who knows, it's Microsoft -- whose motto is, "If It's Further Away From the Command Line Then It's The Future, We Will Guarantee You That Much."

    Hopefully this return to common sense and keeping our high-tech up to date with actually running software signals that very soon Microsoft will publish the first operating system that runs entirely on teledildonics. Then we can call customer support and ask them why they're fucking us so bad!

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  8. demo video online by eples · · Score: 3, Informative

    The demo starts at 2:31:00 into the keynote video:
    https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2015/KEY01

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    1. Re:demo video online by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Two things:

      1) We're still not seeing what a user would actually see. We're seeing solid, background-occluding objects overlaid on a camera feed. I'd like them to put a small camera inside a headset, and show us what we'd actually see if we were using it.

      2) If they ever need a new guy to do Grover's voice on Sesame Street, I know who to call.

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  9. I bet that in 10 years from now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... the most popular I/O devices for PCs will still be keyboard, mouse/touchpad, and monitor. Sorry, I'm not wearing a HUD all day. No chance. What we have a now is more comfortable than any possible holograms. Why moving my head, my arms, my legs, when I can interact with the computer just with my hands?

    We need to accept the idea that sometimes mankind reaches the top in a particular field, and you just cannot improve from it. Have we changed the 2K year old Latin alphabet? Not really, just a couple of letters, it's just ok as it has always been. Actually, sometimes things could get worse. Let's talk about architecture. I think Italian Renaissance buildings are just the best looking ever. Modern buildings are more energy-efficient, but they'll never look as good as those.

    So the point is: just improve what people are asking to improve. I/O devices are ok as they are. Did you see what happened to google glass...? That's what happens when you want to force IT revolutions that nobody is asking for.

  10. Rule 34 still applies by voss · · Score: 1

    That is all.

  11. Microsoft Bob is back! by mea_culpa · · Score: 1

    This time a much cooler version

    1. Re:Microsoft Bob is back! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure. You didn't need to be wearing stupid goggles to use Bob. But yeah, I made the same connection when I saw this demo: It's Bob, in threeee deeeeeeee! There's even a virtual yellow dog.

  12. Google Glass hype ran its course by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Time for next over-hyped technology.

  13. Re:Skype by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Once everyone wears one, it's going to be "normal".

  14. Thanks for the nightmares by Atrox666 · · Score: 3, Funny

    All I can think of is an irritating holographic paperclip..stalking me.

  15. Wow! by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Reality catches up. I had a nightmare once, where Microsoft Clippy and Bob were following me around.

  16. Invent: by PyroGX · · Score: 1

    Invent Holoemitters.

  17. Re: Capitalism is doomed by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even Marx himself predicted that a necessary period of transition from Capitalism to Communism would be the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat". We can all debate the niceties of Marxism, but the fact was that its formulator and primary theorist believed that the people would need to be "shepherded" to the Utopian Marxist society.

    The real problem for Communism is that the industrialized countries never bit. There were a few abortive revolutions in the mid-19th century, but the leadership of these countries were smart enough to recognize that political liberalization was the antidote to a restive working class. Most countries saw enfranchisement of larger numbers of people, increasing influence of legislative assemblies, and a more populist approach to government.

    That's why the only countries that actually grasped on to Communism were primarily agrarian states like Russia, China and Cuba. In pure Marxist theory, agrarian states have not developed to the point where they are ready for the Communist revolution. That's why you have offshoots like Marxist-Leninism, Maoism, Trotskyism, Stalinism and the like, all offshoots required to explain why economies dominated by agrarian workers should skip the whole mercantilism/capitalism stage and go straight to Communism.

    My personal feeling is that Communism, like other Utopian socio-political and economic ideologies like the various strains of Anarchism and Libertarianism, are impossible to implement. Anyone attempting to will have to make so many compromises that the ideology itself becomes compromised.

    That's not to say Marxism doesn't have its uses. Certainly Marx's insistence on history being seen through the lens of economics was critical to the transition of that entire branch of academia from political narratives to a more comprehensive view of the functioning and interactions of historical societies and events. But as a socio-economic and political model, it's a flop. It can't be implemented without dictatorship, and as we've seen so many times, once the dictators gain the power to effect the Communist transformation, they are so corrupted by that power that they actively kill the revolution themselves.

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  18. Re:Capitalism is doomed by phyruxus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's the other way around.

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