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Ubuntu 15.04 Received Well By Linux Community
jones_supa writes: Canonical released Ubuntu 15.04 a couple of weeks ago, and it seems that this release has been a success. The community is mostly reporting a nice experience, which is important since this is the first Ubuntu release that uses systemd instead of upstart. At Slashdot, people have been very nervous about systemd, and last year it was even asked to say something nice about it. To be fair, Ubuntu 15.04 hasn't changed all that much. Some minor visual changes have been implemented, along with a couple of new features, but the operating system has remained pretty much the same. Most importantly it is stable, fast, and it lacks the usual problems accompanied by new releases.
Ubuntu used to be awesome, now it sucks. If you have to advertised how well Ubuntu is doing, it's probably not doing all that well.
I'm on Kubuntu 15.04, NUC with intel graphics. Everything just works including suspend right out of the gate. Love it.
I've never seen so much evangelizing about a particular subsystem change in Linux before, which makes me think that unlike other past changes, this one needs it rather than having it's own benefits do the selling...
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
A Softpedia article gets linked to Slashdot story these days; can Slash-vertisement get any lower than this?
And what does he do?
A friendly reminder that if you hate Unity, Ubuntu also supports KDE, Xfce, LXDE, Enlightenment, Cinnamon, GNOME Shell, MATE, and the CLI.
My older laptops don't like it at all, every 30 seconds Ubuntu 15.04 goes to sleep (no matter what settings are changed) making them unusable and I've not found a cure at all for this behavior. Rolled back to 14.10.
Ubuntu is mainly for Noobs who do not have the technical chops to run a standard Linux distro. Such people may as well stay with Micro$oft.
It's been a year. All those who don't want systemd realized the only option was to leave the linux community and go elsewhere (BSD being the popular option). Thus those who are left are part of a systemd echo-chamber and, unsurprisingly, it's being well received by those members of the community (left).
I almost feel like installing it and documenting the inevitable ensuing failures, just to prove this article wrong.
It made the mistake of becoming popular (at least by pathetic Linux standards) and DARED to aim at appealing to general users (ick!). And that made it forever uncool for Linux hipsters. Linux users hate any distro that's not obscure and all-but-impossible to use without knowing arcane command line syntax.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
15.04 is not an "LTS" (Long Term Support). So we will continue to run 14.04 LTS on our servers, and on my workstation. I guess we will stick to it for another year, until April 2016. Ah well. Good Luck, gang, and thank you for the good job, Ubuntu.
I installed in on my HP ProBook 6475b laptop the other day and have only run into some minor issues.
1. I opted for full disk encrypted LVM. It didn't ask for a separate Swap partition password, instead using the main one. Fine. However, when booting, I have to enter it twice -- once for the main partition, once for swap. [Bug reported and acknowledged]
2. It hangs on reboot. I have to boot twice every time to get it to get past the boot loader. I've tried "shut down", then letting it sit for 10 minutes. Next boot -- hang and I reboot and then it works.
3. My wifi doesn't come back after suspend. I think it has to do with the particular laptop firmware, because it does this with every distro I've tried. Everything else works, but the wifi never makes it out of suspend.
The rest works fine. Changing to the proprietary AMD video drivers was a snap, and it sped up video playback to what I would expect (no stuttering on HD).
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Windows 10 is super appy because it has 16-color apps, which let you app apps while apping other apps. Ubuntu doesn't have apps, so you can't app apps.
Apps!
Doesn't 'sudo bash' still work? I haven't used Ubuntu in a few releases.
new Faces and many move for/ward, about outside in any way related
Ok.
$ nice bash
$
Happy now?
Red Hat is operating right out of Microsoft's playbook.
Remember when Microsoft was buddy-buddy with Apple, and IBM?
Once Linux is completely dependent on Red Hat controlled technologies, Red Hat will always be two steps ahead of the competition, it will be seriously difficult for Linux users to use anything except Red Hat.
What happens when Red Hat decides there is no reason for more than one package management solution? Red Hat will say that users demanded one standardized package management, and systemd will only work if Red Hat's solution is installed. Wait for it.
'sudo bash' and 'sudo -su root' do the same thing.
A 14.10 system that my kid had an elaborate KDE desktop setup on, we upgraded to 15.04, and it totally lost his desktop arrangement. This had originally been Xubuntu, then with KDE installed, so not straight Kubuntu, and we were able to revert to using his old Xfce setup for now, which came through the upgrade okay. But it really was a bad experience losing his work with KDE that way. KDE is just the barest desktop now, which is frankly ugly and it seems it has lost features as well as his prior configuration.
"with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
Well a preety good step.. Lets cheer them up who worked so hard and growing up Debian based distro so far... We all have worked with RH base and then different flavors.. All were preety good to our requirements as needed. Yes our production servers still run CentOS or some RH based distro.. Debian was always the big guy with stable release... Ubuntu came with a bang some years back... And i dont see much difference on server side with Ubuntu too.. But hey Desktop team running Windows were happy with the migration to Ubuntu desktop unlike CentOS /Suse / Mint etc.. So i will give them +1
And no wonder Ubuntu Server edition is also growing up smooth like a Beer. No matter how much u push in there is still some space for more. Yes and still doesnt tap out. So +1
Lets jus cheer up on an awesome piece of work and explore possibilities.
xubuntu user here.
I have a Thinkpad T440s with an external monitor connected to the display port and when I boot the computer or lock the screen, both laptop and monitor screens turn white and the cpu fan starts.
The white screen only goes away when I unplug the display port or press some random keys on the keyboard.
Really smooth.
Great, can it be hibernated and then actually wake up from said hibernation? This is a feature I've been waiting for for years now.
Uninstall gnome-screensaver and install xscreensaver, add a startup entry "xscreensaver -nosplash" then set your preferences then restart.
.. but I may have gotten a few infections from the pages I had to visit to use it.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
After installing I have two main highlights. Excuse the verbosity, but since it's apropos, I really want to share my two cents and hear what other people thinks.
1) The shipped Plasma 5.3 is complete butt. Massive loss of functionality, completely broke my workflow. You might remember me defending KDE4 at every chance, and that's because it wasn't as bad as this by 4.3. Missing icons; lost of "old" systray icons; Icon-only task manager lost all options and unity launcher abilities; Klipper is half-baked and doesn't do a lot of things it did before (despite keyboard bindings showing those actions); kwin refuses to save per-window settings (works from control center, but not from window menu); the Breeze theme is bugged and doesn't show (instead Oxygen does, for whatever reason, despite zapping my settings entirely, and there's no matching GTK theme, so all consistency gets broken); dumps files on .config, making it super noisy; lots of actions that were able to get hotkeys don't accept hotkeys (despite the GUI being there, it refuses to save); several lost plasmoids (not even a simple network monitor now) and other surviving ones lost several options; and konsole refuses to obey the option to show "konsole - " on titlebar, making window matching by title never work. Kwin is still excellent, but it suffers being part of a desktop in such a miserable state and Konsole is still my favorite terminal. (I am open to suggestions just in case)
It doesn't even attempt to port old settings properly, and it's far too early to deploy. And this time there wasn't even the excuse to make it "for developers". It's really, really half-baked and I hope the missing stuff comes back eventually. It's only usable if you stick to the defaults and don't bother customizing it too much, and if you don't have habits or must-have plasmoids from KDE4.
2) Everything else worked really well. systemd works pretty well and I already got to tune it up. Very fast reboot and shutdown. Not seeing why the hate, it works for me.
Mod me down if you want, and I am aware anecdotes aren't data, but it works and I was able to migrate all my custom things easily. The only defect I found is that it likes to start disk checks more often than it should, like it does a main disk check once every 10 reboots. Doesn't take long so it's not a real problem, but it bothers me it's not doing every 30 mounts as I had it set as.
Otherwise, my system feels almost more responsive than before, and I am pretty sure it's not placebo effect. I mostly notice it with loading small apps and doing management tasks, but it's definitely a little bit faster. A few exotic bugs with my hardware got fixed and it's all now working great.
Anyway, I had to use Unity as a temporary desktop until I figure out some solution to my KDE problems and the good things and updates prevent me from rolling back. Two days later I got used to it and I am doing my usual computer routine with minor differences.
Gotta say, it's improved greatly since last time I used it. Having the menus in the window titlebar (saves space and doesn't require traveling to the top as in the OSX-like menu, best of both worlds), minimize-on-click, ability to adjust titlebar size and other minor fixes make it...*gasp* rather usable. I miss the window automation from kwin, but managed to replicate the missing window management features with some hackery and obscure Compiz features, so I only remember I am using another desktop when the windows appear in crazy places. Only took me a day to get used to the previously annoying "close button at left" business, but otherwise it feels usable for everyday work. Compared to its original incarnation it's quite the improvement. I'd even dare calling it "good enough", not the best, but just "good enough". The titlebar menus and the Launcher API abilities are pretty appealing features though.
A disclaimer, though, I always had a taskbar at the left even in the early 90s, so I find it "natural", but other people might be annoyed by the taskba
Vivid Vervet ships with 3.18.3 rather than a modern 3.18 such as 3.18.12, which seems unconscionable.
In particular, there's a known regression where BTRFS fails to clear it's logs and the system become unbootable. This gotcha seems to take around two weeks to manifest, at which point the kernel will lock. https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/...
I don't have gnome-screensaver installed. But thanks for your suggestion. I will try that later.
OMG sign me up!
"Old time users of Ubuntu will notice that the 15.04 edition now comes with a new wallpaper that's not orange. It might have to do with the fact that Ubuntu is changing and that it's finally leaving its past behind or maybe it's just a new cool background"
This seems more like a light-locker / xfce power management issue while managing multiple screens...
The upside is it won't take much to oldconfig to a 4.0 Kernel. The good news is that every kernel release has it's own Ubuntu build, so get the .deb for 4.0.* and away you go.
12.04LTE to 14.04LTE no thank you. I had a Dell laptop with 12.04LTE on it and one day it asked if I wanted to go to 14.04. So it downloaded everything and when it came back up it was command line only, no gui whatsoever. I had to download and install Gnome manually. That has soured me a bit on Ubuntu.
If you judge the quality of a Linux subsystem by how fast it boots, you deserve every bit of any troubles that may be heading your way if the subsystem fails in other respects.
Security and stability are the two most important engineering metrics for an operating system, by far. Boot speed is a totally ridiculous basis on which to judge whether a design choice was well advised or not.
That's entirely untrue. I certainly am half as compitant as I think I am.
On my Vivid system:
$ uname -r
3.19.0-15-generic
Probably an update over the base install - but fixed either way.
systemd is underwritten - if not actually written - by Red Hat.
Given their cozy, lucrative government contracts, I trust Red Hat even less than Microsoft.
I installed ubuntu 15.04 and I returned to ubuntu 14.04
The main problem was systemD.
When you shutdown the system, the computer turns itself off immediately. That happens because systemD performs a hard shutdown of all the applications and services.
Well, I do not want to have data corruption just because the new "standard" according to systemD is send a kill -9 to all the applications.
They are other issues. But this one is unacceptable.
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Yeah, thanks
I think the latter is the cause of all the graphic problems I've been having. If I use the fglrx graphic driver (for AMD/ATI), I cannot sleep anymore (it wakes up to a black screen) and I don't have ctrl-alt-F consoles anymore. If I use the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver, I cannot unlock the screen (it loops back to sddm). Which makes having a laptop rather useless.
And there are plenty of other issues: opened windows are lost between logins (or moved to random places, and always to the 1st desktop), all opened konsoles are lost, kate doesn't reopen files, some login screens are all white. Or all black. The date on the clock is too big and doesn't fit ! And one thing that ails me is that your preferences are not kept between KDE4 and 5. You have to spend an hour or way more to go through all the options to try and get the desktop the way you want it again.
Non-Linux Penguins ?
I'm running on an old kernel (due in part to my openVZ instance) and the switch from upsert to systemd killed my system. I ended up having to scrap the server and re-install. So, kiddies, make sure your kernal is 3.4 or above!
Of weeks ago canonical released ubuntu 15.04 a couple, and been a success, it seems that this release has. Mostly reporting a nice experience, the community is, which the first ubuntu release that uses systemd instead of upstart, is important since this is. At slashdot, been very nervous about systemd, people have, and even asked to say something nice about it, last year it was. To be fair, ubuntu 15.04 hasn't changed all that much. Been implemented, some minor visual changes have, with a couple of new features along, but remained pretty much the same, the operating system has. Most importantly, stable, is it, fast, and it lacks the usual problems accompanied by new releases. Yeesssssss. May the 4th be with you.
"At Slashdot, people have been very nervous about systemd"
I want a fucking t-shirt with that on it.
If I had a DeLorean... I would probably only drive it from time to time.
One does not edit anywhere near the number of configuration files and install enough software to justify running as root all the time by a long shot. This isn't the Windows world where over half the software requires running as Administrator just to function.
I spend months at a time never touching the root account on my systems after they've been set up. I haven't seen a box that enabled root logins in over a decade, from any vendor or Unix flavour.
So I call "bullshit" on the theory that there are users out there logging in as "root" for the sake of "convenience."
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
this ranks among the most unstable releases I've ever had and I installed fresh on all my devices for this release
Once again there has been a little bit of progress, 15.04 marks the first time I have not had to use the -nomodeset flag in the boot options to get a usable desktop. Unfortunately, this release is not without issues:
1.) Teamviewer 10 no longer works, desktop appears black or frozen when trying to view Ubuntu 15.04 from a remote machine. .desktop files to get software to launch that was installed from the Software Center.
2.) Upgrade from 14.04 to 15.04 failed and required a full wipe of the system and clean install.
3.) Still no option to run as sudo from the launcher, thereby requiring non-obvious editing of