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The Body Cam Hacker Who Schooled the Police

New submitter Cuillere writes: In the fall of 2014, a hacker demanded the Seattle Police Department release all of their body and dash cam video footage, prompting chaos within the institution. Although it was a legal request per Washington state's disclosure laws, Seattle's PD wasn't prepared to handle the repercussions of divulging such sensitive material — and so much of it. The request involved 360 TB of data spread across 1.6 million recordings over 6 years. All recordings had to be manually reviewed and redacted to cut out "children, medical or mental health incidents, confidential informants, or victims or bystanders who did not want to be recorded," so fulfilling the request was simply not within the department's capabilities. Thus, they took a different strategy: they hired the hacker and put him to work on developing an automated redaction system. "Their vision is of an officer simply docking her body cam at the end of a shift. The footage would then be automatically uploaded to storage, either locally or in the cloud, over-redacted for privacy and posted online for everyone to see within a day."

161 comments

  1. Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Be part of the solution - not part of the problem.

    1. Re:Love it by sycodon · · Score: 2

      If not honoring or stalling indefinitely FOIA requests is one extreme, requesting every last bit of recoding is the other.

      The law should be amended to require specific and limited dates, specific officers, and that it be pertinent to an official incident.

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    2. Re:Love it by preaction · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. They are working to serve the public. They should be prepared to get a bulk request for all data they have everywhere. Putting limitations on it will first clog up the courts, since a judge will have to decide whether it meets the law's requirements, which then involves lawyers. Then it will be used to cover up real crimes under the auspices of "not an official incident".

    3. Re:Love it by Moof123 · · Score: 1

      Nope, look at the resulting images. It has been blurred to the point of uselessness. It has taken away the whole point of the body camera in the first place. It is the equivalent of having the officers smear Crisco on the lense.

    4. Re:Love it by hawguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, he is indeed part of the problem.

      If a software can automatically redact the footage based on non-trivial criteria, then it can also run all sorts of metadata collection, turning every single policeman into a walking surveillance device. If you see a policeman on the street, then your location will be recorded, tied to your identity and stored forever.

      Of course, it's possible that this happens already...

      Did you read the article? The software blurs the image (or does edge detection, not sure which they are using) to make it possible to see activities without identifying people. So he basically made it impossible to do any kind of identity detection on the processed footage. There's nothing keeping the police from doing so on the original footage, but this guy isn't responsible.

    5. Re:Love it by hawguy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If not honoring or stalling indefinitely FOIA requests is one extreme, requesting every last bit of recoding is the other.

      The law should be amended to require specific and limited dates, specific officers, and that it be pertinent to an official incident.

      So a little police oversight through FOIA is fine, but too much oversight is too much, because police need to be able to get away with abuse at least part of the time?

    6. Re:Love it by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they want the data, they have to deal with the consequences.

      The alternative is NOT collecting it and storing it indefinitely. Fine by me, too.

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    7. Re:Love it by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Funny

      Be part of the solution - not part of the problem.

      No, be part of the precipitate.

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    8. Re:Love it by hawguy · · Score: 5, Informative

      And you believe that the blurred copy is the one that is archived and reviewed for security, and future use in court? the only copy? rather than the original footage that could actually be used to prove a particular person is the one who did something? Sorry, that sounds inconsistent.

      Why doesn't anyone read the articles any more?

      This guy has nothing to do with the original footage -- the originals are still used for court and other police use (internal affairs investigations, etc). This guy's job is to automatically redact videos so they can be released to the public without paying police to sit down and manually review every video.

    9. Re:Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's nothing keeping the police from doing so on the original footage, but this guy isn't responsible.

      There is - they likely don't have the means to do that. Pattern recognition on video is exceedingly hard. This man is developing advanced recognition and analytics software for video footage for the police; if he succeeds, then adding metadata collection should be comparatively easy; even if this man doesn't do it for them, someone definitely will.

    10. Re:Love it by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      Sure, that could happen. He has nothing to do with any of that though. Don't spread FUD or contribute to the problem of outrage exhaustion. Collectively, there's only so much we can get outraged about, so let's save it for actual grievances, rather than hypothetical ones that don't exist.

    11. Re:Love it by Higaran · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry you want privacy, well that is way out the window, your phone, the 5 bazillion cameras already on the street and in every store, that little device that you stick to you car that pays your tolls, and any other device that I'm forgetting, are already recording your every move.

    12. Re:Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      What do you mean "any more?"? I'm just surprised he wasn't modded +5

    13. Re:Love it by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're missing the point. Manually redacted footage will still be available via FOIA request, and unredacted footage will still be available in court. These over-redacted clips are designed specifically so that they can be publicly posting to the 'net at the end of each day, without anyone ever having to make a FOIA request at all. And they're not blurred to the point of uselessness; they're blurred to the point where you can't see details, but you can see when something is happening that warrants further attention.

      The idea is that by posting them immediately, it will increase transparency by giving the public a means to sift through recent footage and find incidents that may be of interest, without compromising the privacy of the individuals involved. By enabling the public to more or less go on fishing expeditions on their own time without costing the police any extra time or effort, it benefits the public since they are more capable of finding incidents, and it benefits the police since the FOIA requests they'll be dealing with (they claim that a minute of footage takes an hour to redact on average) will hopefully be more narrow in scope, since the requestors would have been able to sift out the majority of the irrelevant footage in advance. The end result is more capability to discover unreported incidents, more awareness of what's actually going on, less time spent manually redacting irrelevant footage, and a greater capacity for handling FOIA requests.

      It's a win-win, and it's by no means useless. It actually strikes a great balance between protecting the privacy of those being filmed and making the body cam footage readily available so that the public can better oversee the police.

    14. Re:Love it by sycodon · · Score: 2

      You would probably get a faster response when you provide dates, badges, etc.

      Just a sweeping request of everything is a stupid stunt and of no benefit at all. Unless you really believe he is going to view all six years worth of data from hundreds of officers.

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    15. Re:Love it by sycodon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wouldn't call being specific about what you want a "limitation".

      Requesting it all is a stupid stunt.

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    16. Re:Love it by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or more often, a fishing expedition.

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    17. Re: Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Warrants in the US require a specific place, person and item to be seized to be listed. Asking the same of a citizen making FOIA requests is not unreasonable, and just as with the requirements for a warrant, this is a check against abuse.

    18. Re:Love it by hawguy · · Score: 1

      You would probably get a faster response when you provide dates, badges, etc.

      Just a sweeping request of everything is a stupid stunt and of no benefit at all. Unless you really believe he is going to view all six years worth of data from hundreds of officers.

      The problem is that not all abuse is reported so you don't always have dates, badges, etc.

      If you can make a sweeping request and enlist volunteers (or even computer algorithms) to look for abuse, you may uncover actionable patterns that can be followed up by specific FOIA requests for original footage.

    19. Re:Love it by sycodon · · Score: 1

      So...a fishing expedition.

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    20. Re:Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you can do it or be bunking with Bubba

    21. Re:Love it by hawguy · · Score: 2

      So...a fishing expedition.

      Yes, or citizen oversight of those that we're paying to protect us.

    22. Re:Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If a software can automatically redact the footage based on non-trivial criteria, then it can also run all sorts of metadata collection, turning every single policeman into a walking surveillance device.

      Did you bother to read the summary, at least? Every single policeman was already a walking surveillance device. It's just that that particular police department didn't have the tools to perform good analytics. But everyone's privacy was already violated, and you know nothing about the capabilities of anyone the police department might have shared the data with. You have to assume that at least some of The People's adversaries do have decent analytics (e.g. the feds, or any criminals that stole the data, or whoever).

      So there was basically a worst-possible-case scenario (people were paying their government to spy on them), and The People didn't even get to have the hypothetical benefits of fascism (the police couldn't really use the data for law-enforcemnet purposes, though other parties might have been able to use it for less .. civic .. purposes), and the public was being denied knowledge of what kind of data it was (since they didn't get to see it).

      He addressed the last problem the best, and is also probably helping to make it so that the surveillance data can be used for its ostensible purposes (the purposes that nobody here on Slashdot really believe in, but that 99% of voters very strongly believe in). Yes, I get it that you would prefer the police stop being walking surveillance devices, but that option wasn't on the table. The premise is that you're going to have a walking surveillance device, and you whether it's a good idea or a bad idea: how do you make the best of it? This guy worked within the problem, and there's a special word for that: "solution."

    23. Re:Love it by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      There's quite a difference between face detection ("Hey, it's a human") and face recognition ("Hey, it's Peter G. of Quahog, Rhose Island").
      Blurring faces only requires face detection.

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    24. Re:Love it by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      I wonder why they didn't just downscale the resolution and let the video player handle blurring during upscaling.

      Also, if it's a regular blur, it's possible to restore quite a bit of detail using deconvolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconvolution).

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    25. Re:Love it by reboot246 · · Score: 0

      As long as they blur Officer Fatass on his bathroom break, I'm okay with it.

    26. Re:Love it by Malenx · · Score: 1

      There's not enough till foil in the world for you.

    27. Re:Love it by sycodon · · Score: 0

      So you think this guy is going to go through six years of video eh?

      We all know why he's doing it; just because he can and it's going cost everyone money.

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    28. Re:Love it by St.Creed · · Score: 2

      In The Netherlands, there was an automatic fine to be paid to anyone who filed a FOI-request and didn't get the answers or requested information within a pretty short period. The inevitable result was the rise of small companies dedicated to filing as many obnoxious requests as possible, They reworked the law recently to tone that down a bit.

      Also, someone used this law to harass a council with multiple requests per day over a period of more than a year, leading to the department having 4 full-time staff to answer just his requests. Finally, a judge limited him to only a few requests per week. He refused to obey and he was jailed as a consequence.

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    29. Re:Love it by Copid · · Score: 1

      The FOIA system is an important thing. But capacity for any sort of data retrieval is limited. People who clog it up for the lulz aren't serving freedom of information or providing oversight. They're making it harder to get legitimate requests filled.

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    30. Re:Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea is that by posting them immediately, .

      Good idea, man! I agree, the auto-redaction system should be on-the-fly, so the feed is effectively live and streaming online in real time.

    31. Re: Love it by vilanye · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You think citizens requesting government documents should have the same burden to meet that the state has when investigating people?

      I am not sure if that is just short-sighted idiocy or a troll attempt.

    32. Re:Love it by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Post #49752693 was concerned about " turning every single policeman into a walking surveillance device.". Response (#49752979) was reassuring that the imagery would be blurred so it wouldn't matter. I was countering that response's pollyana-ism and (indirectly) agreeing with the earlier post. It's the person I was responding to who doesn't get the privacy concerns.

    33. Re:Love it by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Response (#49752979) was reassuring that the imagery would be blurred so it wouldn't matter. I was countering that response's pollyana-ism and (indirectly) agreeing with the earlier post. It's the person I was responding to who doesn't get the privacy concerns.

    34. Re:Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. Getting a full take is going to be tremendously useful for anybody who wants unbiased data to analyze. Certainly most people will only be interested in footage of a particular news-worthy incident or whatever, but let's say you're trying to study whether the PD has a racial bias in choosing who to stop and interview. With a database of all the footage, you can make statistically valid conclusions because nobody cherry-picked the data.

    35. Re:Love it by GNious · · Score: 1

      in this particular case, it would seem to be a not-so-stupid stunt... but still a stunt.

    36. Re:Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His system doesn't do pattern recognition in the way you are thinking. Watch the videos, he is simply looking for 'faces' and blurring those extra hard, blurring and grey-scaling the rest and releasing it. I doubt his software could tell you much for use as metadata apart from:

      I think there are 2 faces
      Scene is brightly lit

    37. Re:Love it by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      No, he's not.

      His "solution" is to blur everything, yes literally *everything*. The entire video is blurred so that you can't make out faces, which makes sense, but you also can't make out guns, weapons, street signs, small movements of hands, clothing, etc. Depending on the light, you often can't even tell the difference between a police officer and a trash can. It's worthless for any practical purpose.

      This guy literally got a job to do nothing other than to copy data from a camera to a server and to post a public copy with blur filter applied to the whole thing. There's no face detection to selectively blur faces, there's no intelligence or any kind of special algorithm applied whatsoever. It's fucking stupid.

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    38. Re:Love it by preaction · · Score: 1

      Specifying what I want leaves it open for interpretation (by whom?). Or, worse, reveals what I am actually looking for (making a targeted coverup easy). Allowing police the ability to make judgement calls as to what to give when an FOIA request comes in, or outright deny a request that they can consider unreasonable, is no safety against police misconduct, which is the entire point this exists.

    39. Re: Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That technology is coming, like it or not.

    40. Re:Love it by kmoser · · Score: 1

      The problem is, even blurred footage can be used to identify somebody. Ever wear an easily-distinguishable item of clothing that few (or no) other people in the vicinity wear? Congratulations: you've just been identified in "redacted" footage.

    41. Re:Love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does everybody forget about the supernatant? You insensitive clods!

    42. Re:Love it by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Who wants the supernatant? It's just the useless liquid on top. Pour it away so you can get at the crystals below.

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  2. So you see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    "...so you see, Your Honor, that's why all the footage is completely black, end to end, and we have no useful footage of the incident in question."

    1. Re:So you see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Videos are redacted for casual public viewing, because there are laws about the privacy of minors, the mentally ill, etc.

      A courtroom is not the same thing: it is not casual, and judges and juries can view video in private to protect the identities of witnesses (like children or mafia informants) or innocent bystanders disclosed. The videos shown to a jury will not be redacted.

  3. Clickbait-y headline is clickbait-y by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Man requests video footage via FOIA, earns job categorizing and sanitizing video footage to allow release to public in compliance with both FOIA and privacy laws. System ends up better off and expects to work in a transparent manner.

    Move along...

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    1. Re:Clickbait-y headline is clickbait-y by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Earns job, wow, what a nation of slaves we've become.

    2. Re:Clickbait-y headline is clickbait-y by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't quite move along just yet. Some how, some people will see this as a negative...

      The one thing I've learned about such people, is that they fear, and ultimately protest, change in areas of society they aren't directly involved in. Seems there's a lot of that thing spread all over the US, and across all sectors of society and Government. I'd call it ignorance, but even that doesn't scratch the surface.

    3. Re:Clickbait-y headline is clickbait-y by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      Nope. His system just applies a blur filter to the video and strips the audio. He hasn't done anything that a very small script couldn't have done. In fact, most programs commercially available for body cams (usually used by private security in malls and such to avoid lawsuits) have an option to do exactly that already. This guy is getting paid for doing zero useful work.

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  4. too bad it doesn't work with banks by alen · · Score: 4, Funny

    give me all of your money!
    OK, here is a job counting it

    1. Re:too bad it doesn't work with banks by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      give me all of your money!
      OK, here is a job counting it

      Well more like "You can have all the cash you want, as long as you find a way to make it unusable as currency, yet still detectable as cash".

    2. Re:too bad it doesn't work with banks by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      Huh, you got a much better response than the screaming and 911-calling that I'd have expected from somebody using that line in a bank.

  5. What sort of redaction can be automated? by barlevg · · Score: 2

    Are we just talking about blurring faces?

    1. Re: What sort of redaction can be automated? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

      It probably just snips any footage where a black person is in frame.

      So he's going to use Hewlett-Packard's software, then?

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    2. Re:What sort of redaction can be automated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume that at least a lot of this stuff would have electronic records. So if an officer is busy at a scene with children or a medical incident or whatever these parts could perhaps automatically be cut.

    3. Re: What sort of redaction can be automated? by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      At least they're equal race discriminators. http://content.time.com/time/b...

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    4. Re: What sort of redaction can be automated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's what MS Poland uses...

    5. Re:What sort of redaction can be automated? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      They remove audio, color, and make it really blurry.

      Here is one example.
      Here is another example, with a different style.

      They aren't perfect, sometimes you can still figure out people or places, so it seems like they aren't releasing the full archive yet, just some samples.

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    6. Re:What sort of redaction can be automated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would be better it they were combined -- ie: having the blurry video WITH edge detection too.

  6. Please, no. by halivar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am 100% for body cameras on all police. But when that footage goes public, it becomes a possible intrusion into my civil liberties. What if I get arrested on a bogus child sex abuse charge? Facebook provides a good model of what will happen. The perp goes up on a police blotter for mug shots, it goes viral, and even after he is cleared, FB stalkers turn into real life stalkers, pulling up into the driveway in the dead of night and flashing their brights into the living room, or publicly commenting that if they see them on the street, they're as good as dead. Such a thing happened to a friend of mine, and this bullshit mob justice has to stop.

    The only way to protect the rights of the accused is to hide police-public interactions behind an wall of secrecy. Want body cam footage? Or a mug shot? Or an arrest history? Get a subpoena, and it better be relevant.

    1. Re:Please, no. by sunking2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As opposed to currently where your name, address, and age go onto the police blotter in the local newspaper?

    2. Re:Please, no. by halivar · · Score: 1

      I don't like that, either.

    3. Re:Please, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Swiss have a good solution to this problem -- privacy laws, guaranteed in their constitution. It's illegal to report on things like arrests or legal proceedings until after such proceedings are concluded. Their privacy laws are most famous for money laundering, but they're important and the rest of the world should adopt them too. There are better way to collect tax than spying on everyone's bank balances anyway.

    4. Re:Please, no. by willworkforbeer · · Score: 2

      "Local newspaper"? What is that, some kind of newfangled startup concept?

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    5. Re:Please, no. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      They address your concern in the article (and even in the summary) by using over-redaction as standard practice. What that means is that when the video first comes in, they pass it through a set of filters that intentionally redacts far more than is necessary, that way they can provide as much assurance as possible that the identifying information is gone. At the same time though, it hopefully leaves enough to let someone recognize situations that may call for more attention.

      An early version of their system relied on blurring out recognizable features, such as faces, while leaving enough visible to hopefully be able to tell if something worthy of additional attention was happening. Their more recent system relies on edge detection to create what looks like a line drawing view of the world that has had almost all of the details stripped out, while leaving enough to see when things are happening (e.g. that video involves them pulling their guns on a suspect in a car).

      I gotta say, while it's not perfect as it is, if they can implement it well, something like this may hit the sweet spot between transparency and protecting privacy. It gives us enough information to know when something shady is happening so that we can tell when we need to request the actual video itself, but not so much that we're posting the worst days of everyone's lives on YouTube.

    6. Re:Please, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit, since when are the names, ages, and addresses of the arrested published in the The Seattle Times?

    7. Re:Please, no. by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Have you never heard of a police blotter?

      http://blogs.seattletimes.com/...

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    8. Re:Please, no. by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Put down the cocaine.

      Yes, all of it.

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    9. Re:Please, no. by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now it won't just be arrests, though, but any interaction with police.

      We just see the way this goes. Some tiny little thing gets taken out of context and posted online and people go fucking rabid, for and against.

      There was a story a few weeks ago from Australia (just as easily anywhere in the US, though) about a guy who was "creep shamed" as a pedo when he was really just taking a selfie with Darth Vader as a joke to send to his kids. tl;dr mom sees guy take pic near her kids, flips, takes pic of him, posts online, 20k + views, death threats, cops, psychological trauma, etc etc.

      And then of course there was a backlash against her (I'm not sure if her identity was revealed) with all the anti-moral panickers having a moral panic about moral panics. As terrible a mistake as she made, she doesn't deserve death threats either. If you think she does, congratulations on being part of the problem.

      I just wonder how good the redaction can be that you can't match somebody up. It's not to hard to imagine the same kind of scenario playing out. Guy's at the park with his kids, kids are out of sight, cop asks the guy what he's doing here "Oh I'm here for the kids." "Hmmm...all right then..." Internet Super Hero catches sight of this, snaps a pic, finds the footage on the police website later "EVERYBODY WATCH OUT FOR THIS PEDO HE 'GOES TO THE PARK FOR THE KIDS!!!!'" Face is blurred and speech is altered, but it's clearly the same guy. Time/place/clothing.

      Then of course there's all the other interactions with police where they're not talking to a suspect. What about interviewing victims? If somebody calls the cops on an abusive spouse do they now have to worry that their dirty laundry is going to be on the internet for everybody to see? How hard will it be to match up victims based on...who knows...addresses, landscape features, google street view data.

      Same with the mentally ill. Bipolar family member having a manic episode and slipping into psychosis and you need help to get them to the hospital? Gotta think twice about making that call now. And yes, yes, I know there have been a few instances of cops hurting or killing a mentally ill person when their family called for help, but it's very rare compared to the number of times they're the only way to get a suicidal or psychotic person to the hospital for treatment. But now you're adding definite privacy concerns to rare brutality concerns.

      Even if they can't identify you, you know some asshole is going to turn this into a game. "Post the funniest/most fucked up police footage." When I was younger and stupider I played a game with people on a forum once where you went to the sexual predator watchdog website where you could put in an address and it would show you the registered sex offenders on a map and you'd find the creepiest looking mugshots/conviction list near you and try to outdo the other people playing the game. I feel pretty ashamed of that now. But, well, it's going to happen.

      I'm all for body cams, but man, I just think there's got to be a better way to oversee the program to protect people who have interactions with police than publishing the videos for everybody to see. Some kind of civilian oversight board that approves requests. 99/100, a time you're interacting with police is not a good day in your life. You're either a victim or a suspect, and you don't deserve to have one of the worst days of you life broadcast, particularly in these hyper-sensitive days of internet mob moral justice.

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    10. Re:Please, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, I have heard of and read the police blotter. I'm not seeing where the names, age, and addresses of arrested individuals are being published. I do see information about victims, and the locations of the crimes.

      Here's a great example, think of what might have happened if the Times was irresponsible enough to publish the name and address of the bus driver.

      School District: Magnolia luring accusation a ‘misunderstanding’
      http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2015/02/school-district-magnolia-luring-accusation-a-misunderstanding/

      "A minivan driver who allegedly tried to lure a child in the Magnolia neighborhood on Wednesday was actually a contract employee for the district and the incident was a misunderstanding, Seattle Public Schools said Thursday morning.

      Police were notified Wednesday by a woman who said she was waiting with her elementary school-aged child near 34th Avenue West and Brygger Drive West around 8:20 a.m. when a man claiming to be a school transportation official tried to lure her child. After the interaction, the woman took out her cellphone and began snapping pictures of the gold minivan before the man drove off, police said."

    11. Re:Please, no. by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Want body cam footage? Or a mug shot? Or an arrest history? Get a subpoena, and it better be relevant.

      No, don't make it that complicated.

      At the very least, allow me (or my lawyer, or my surviving family members) to request footage where I am the one being video-recorded. This should actually be easy to initially automate as well (if the officer actually took down my details, or my license plate number, to run a check on it). The time of the lookup should give us the identity of the police officer (or possibly partnering police officer) who did the lookup. From there allow me to make a follow-up request in case the body-cam footage points to other officers coming on the scene with their own body-cams or dash-cams, or in case I believe some other footage is missing.

      After all, this is the primary reason we want the police to wear body-cams. Do not believe the false dichotomy played up by the police PR spinning machine. The police actually loves receiving requests from third parties for Terabytes/Petabytes of information. This is a form of project of scope-creep that can only slow down the wide-scale adoption of mandatory body-cams in the US and/or possibly cripple the initial intent of those body-cams by allowing the police officer/department to become the editors of those videos themselves.

    12. Re:Please, no. by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I have not been to Seattle since the mid-90s. I don't recall there being any Republicans but, then again, I did not dig too deep. It was a surrealistic place then and I was eating a lot of blotter at the time.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    13. Re:Please, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am 100% for body cameras on all police. But when that footage goes public, it becomes a possible intrusion into my civil liberties. What if I get arrested on a bogus child sex abuse charge? Facebook provides a good model of what will happen. The perp goes up on a police blotter for mug shots, it goes viral, and even after he is cleared, FB stalkers turn into real life stalkers, pulling up into the driveway in the dead of night and flashing their brights into the living room, or publicly commenting that if they see them on the street, they're as good as dead. Such a thing happened to a friend of mine, and this bullshit mob justice has to stop.

      The only way to protect the rights of the accused is to hide police-public interactions behind an wall of secrecy. Want body cam footage? Or a mug shot? Or an arrest history? Get a subpoena, and it better be relevant.

      EVERYTHING in the videos are blurred so that you cannot identify anyone involved. There is also no audio for you to make connections that way either. Basically, heavily redacted video is put up so that if Blurry Fig. #1 looked like he was physically abusing Blurry Fig. #2 THEN you can make a request to the Seattle Police Dept. to obtain a less redacted version.

      So no, none of your paranoid scenarios actually apply here.

    14. Re:Please, no. by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      There are a few. They're not the majority, and they tend to be pretty liberal on average and have very little actually in common with the national party they identify with. They're good folks... on average. This contrasts starkly with the average person of same affiliation I met while I lived in the midwest. I'd vote for the average Republican I know up here. No so much out of dixiecrat-turned-Republican land.

    15. Re:Please, no. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I have a Republican governor... LePage... (Maine) He is busy starving the poors and taking away their other assistance while gutting DHHS it seems. I am pondering moving to Canada as I am of First Nation's heritage and thus have Canadian citizenship for quite some time now. I kid you not about the poor starving. He has also taken away their health care (I don't mind my taxation rate) for some reason. Starving and ill will be our growth industry here by year's end. I really wish I were kidding.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    16. Re:Please, no. by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      :(
      That's pretty disappointing to hear about New England.

    17. Re:Please, no. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It is beyond the pale. Were I a few years older I might have been tempted to shoot him before they re-elected him. Fortunately I am not insane. Unfortunately?

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  7. What About The Innocent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What about the innocent people being filmed by the police, and by innocent I mean those who have not yet been proven guilty? Or does Seattle also have some magical hacker system that can provide due process and justice within the same 24 hour period?

    1. Re:What About The Innocent? by sunking2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Their names show up in the police blotter anyway. You are not anonymous until proven guilty.

    2. Re:What About The Innocent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Giving people a Youtube link to post in Facebook would probably change the dynamics a bit.

    3. Re:What About The Innocent? by halivar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are not anonymous until proven guilty.

      No one should be subject to a trial of public opinion, period.

    4. Re:What About The Innocent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not so sure I want the PoV video of my beat down published within 24 hours. Sure, I want the video preserved and provided to my lawyer, but being made public is a bit much.

      Feds: Seattle police show 'pattern of excessive force'
      http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Feds-findings-in-Seattle-Police-abuse-2407378.php

      "U.S. Attorney Jenny Durkan has released a highly critical report of a Department of Justice investigation into police brutality in Seattle."

      "Noting that the finding stemmed from the officers’ own reports, investigators found that one in five uses of force by Seattle officers was unconstitutional."

      "They also noted that officers were too quick to use impact weapons – clubs and flashlights – and that their use was either not justified or excessive in 57 percent of cases."

      "Officers were also far too willing to use force while investigating minor crimes such as jaywalking or shoplifting, the investigators opined."

    5. Re:What About The Innocent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > No one should be subject to a trial of public opinion, period.

      Nobody should get infirm, nobody should suffer from addiction, nobody should starve, blah blah blah. It's drivel.
      At some point, you have to realize that we are not going to have a utopian fantasy.
      Everyone is subject to a trial by public opinion, at some level. Deal with reality.

    6. Re:What About The Innocent? by halivar · · Score: 1

      > No one should be subject to a trial of public opinion, period.

      Nobody should get infirm, nobody should suffer from addiction, nobody should starve, blah blah blah. It's drivel.

      The comparison is disingenuous. Those things aren't anything alike, and you know it. The behavior of government actors is neither inevitable nor incurable; all you have to do is change the regs.

    7. Re:What About The Innocent? by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

      What about the innocent people being filmed by the police, and by innocent I mean those who have not yet been proven guilty? Or does Seattle also have some magical hacker system that can provide due process and justice within the same 24 hour period?

      The main purpose of the law is to ensure that everyone is guilty of something.

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      In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
    8. Re:What About The Innocent? by edjs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No one should be subject to a trial of public opinion, period.

      No one should be subject to secret arrest and detention either. It's unfortunate that we rush to judgement, but part of the reason to publish arrests is to protect those arrested.

  8. I'm extremely surprised... by ckatko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm extremely surprised to hear that a police department--when faced with legal requests from an unimportant regular joe--actually went out of their way to implement an elegant system to an issue instead of dragging their feet. None of us would have been surprised to see a police department throw a wrench into the system.

    I'm honestly considering writing them a letter thanking them for their exemplary compliance. Good cops need to know we support them.

    1. Re:I'm extremely surprised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It might have more to do with the whole Dept being under the watchful eye of the DOJ and not the wonderful Seattle PD. You should google that dept before feeling the need to thank them for anything.

    2. Re:I'm extremely surprised... by garcia · · Score: 2

      In Minnesota, the public sector is mandated by statute to release information to the public and be setup in a way which facilitates this action:

      https://www.revisor.mn.gov/sta...

      13.03 ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT DATA.
      Subdivision 1.Public data. All government data collected, created, received, maintained or disseminated by a government entity shall be public unless classified by statute, or temporary classification pursuant to section 13.06, or federal law, as nonpublic or protected nonpublic, or with respect to data on individuals, as private or confidential. The responsible authority in every government entity shall keep records containing government data in such an arrangement and condition as to make them easily accessible for convenient use. Photographic, photostatic, microphotographic, or microfilmed records shall be considered as accessible for convenient use regardless of the size of such records.

      I have used this exact quoted statute many-a-time to force local government agencies in Minnesota to not only provide me information, which they were usually willing to do, but for free or very low cost.

      I made a request once to a public transit agency who told me it would be several hundred dollars to do. I told them if they had followed the statute to make the data readily accessible by the public, it wouldn't require the work they were trying to charge me to do. Their legal counsel informed them I was indeed correct and I got it for the cost of the media.

      Maybe there is a similar statute in this case which drove the decision?

  9. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the police force going to keep the original, unredacted, footage someplace? If not then that is tampering with evidence and is a crime.

     

  10. Only in some situations ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The footage would then be automatically uploaded to storage, either locally or in the cloud, over-redacted for privacy and posted online for everyone to see within a day.

    For court purposes, there can't be any redaction.

    Because as soon as you start snipping out bits, you lose context and some of what actually happened.

    The full video must be available for scrutiny ... or you'll get the 5 seconds which supports the police version of events, or which has been edited to alter the sequence of events.

    Part of the reason people are starting to insist on body cameras is we don't trust the police. Because increasingly the police are not trustworthy, and don't know or care what the law says.

    Which means all of this raw video should be held in escrow where the police have no ability to alter or delete it.

    If the police hold it, and have the power to edit it ... suddenly it becomes a less trustworthy record.

    So when the police start claiming they need to redact it, they better have the ability to provide the un-redacted version for court proceedings.

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    1. Re:Only in some situations ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it doesn't have to be available for public scrutiny unless there is an actual public court case. Otherwise it is kept around and available via subpoena to people with standing to pursue a dispute but not to anyone else. So if you are pulled over by a cop and want to use the footage in court, YOU can ask for and get the footage. Other people don't get to download it indiscriminately and post it on mug shot sites, you illegal lane changer you.

    2. Re:Only in some situations ... by Straif · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you read the article you'd see that there are 3 possible versions of police video. #1 always exists, #2 will exist in most cases (when fully implemented) and #3 is only created upon request.

      1) The raw video which is stored on DVD and available for any court proceedings. This version is not altered in any way.

      2) The over-redacted version which this post is about. This version is intentionally altered to try and remove any identifying features from the subjects, including suspects and also filters out videos involving specific crimes (rape or involving kids). This video is not used for any legal proceedings; it's primary purpose is to allow interested parties to review police interactions with the public.

      3) Videos legally requested under disclosure laws. These are manually redacted to remove the minimum required by law to protect peoples privacy. Depending on the subjects this would generally look like the videos you see on COPS where the subjects are clearly visible but some bystanders are blurred.

      The idea is that by providing the second type of videos they can reduce FOIA or similar legal requests because in most cases seeing exactly who was involved is much less important as seeing what was done to and by each person involved in the incident. Before the existence of the over-redacted versions every request to view police body cams resulted in the the need to create a manually redacted version and this took up to 1 hour/minute to process.

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    3. Re:Only in some situations ... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      They're basically proposing a three-tier system for their videos:
      1) Over-redacted videos that have been programmatically stripped of identifiable details are posted for public viewing at the end of each day.

      2) Manually redacted videos with more details included are available via FOIA requests, just as they always have.

      3) Unredacted videos are available via court order.

      Manually redacting videos is an extraordinarily expensive process (1 hour per minute of footage, according to the article), so their hope is that by preemptively posting the over-redacted videos publicly, it will allow individuals making FOIA requests to narrow their request. After all, they will have been able to sift through all of the footage in advance, so they'll have a sense for which parts are irrelevant and which parts are of interest. And the police are hoping that by making it part of their routine to post the videos publicly each day, it will increase transparency and make it more apparent when something is going amiss.

      As you said, the unredacted footage needs to be available when necessary, but it doesn't sound like anyone is suggesting something to the contrary. Rather, they're proposing something at the other end of the spectrum that is designed to provide immediate transparency without sacrificing the privacy of people encountering police on what may very well be the worst days of their lives.

    4. Re:Only in some situations ... by SecurityGuy · · Score: 2

      Part of the reason people are starting to insist on body cameras is we don't trust the police. Because increasingly the police are not trustworthy, and don't know or care what the law says.

      Well, mostly. I've been arguing with people for years on this. For so long, many people had this default notion of the police as the good guys. This is very much the default in traffic court. If the police say you did it and you say you didn't, you're guilty. People need to understand that putting on a badge doesn't change your morality. Some people are trustworthy, and some people are not. Police are people, and we don't have a perfect process to separate the trustworthy from those who aren't, so inevitably sometimes we hire police who aren't. Just like every other profession.

    5. Re:Only in some situations ... by Not_Wiggins · · Score: 1

      The point you're making was a main plot point within The Running Man.

      A police man was accused and convicted for murder based on edited police footage.

      Talk about SciFi representing the future; we're starting to see/talk-through ideas suggested almost 30 years ago (that movie was released in 1987!).

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    6. Re:Only in some situations ... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I'm intrigued that you quote him out of context to have a rant about republicans.

      You might want to consult a professional, help can be made available to you.

  11. FOIA request sent by Dishwasha · · Score: 0

    BOOM Ima hacker now!

  12. I was at the original arrest, bigger SPD story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seattleite here. Please note that SPD is under federal oversight and this is good progress but there's a bigger story/problems with SPD (as I'd guess with many PDs).

    I was also present when the hacker in question got arrested in the initial incident, was the final Urban Golf event (bar crawl hitting foam golf balls with real golf clubs through the city, tended to get a bit out of hand) in Seattle. I and about 10 other people gave up our IDs, he did not and went to jail.

    Quote of the evening from the dickish officer in charge: "If I see one more person dressed in Argyle tonight, they're going to jail."

    -S

    1. Re:I was at the original arrest, bigger SPD story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Quote of the evening from the dickish officer in charge: "If I see one more person dressed in Argyle tonight, they're going to jail."

      So that's how the grunge phase ended in Seattle. You got yourselves a real fashion police!

    2. Re:I was at the original arrest, bigger SPD story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, you mean that Argyle isn't illegal? How very backwards.

    3. Re:I was at the original arrest, bigger SPD story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You confused Eric Rachner with Tim Clemans. Eric is not a Seattle Police employee. Tim Clemans is.

  13. what the... by slashmydots · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What kind of mentally deficient person wrote that summary? A programmer or professional video editor would be the one hired to do that job, not a hacker. Did they lose the password to the video system? Otherwise he's not a hacker.

    1. Re:what the... by Straif · · Score: 4, Informative

      He was the winning entry in the SPD's 'hackathon' to produce a video redaction system to meet their needs (his request for video was also the main reason for having the hackathon in the first place buts that's not important).

      He pretty much meets the definition of hobbyist hacker from Wikipedia or the #3 definition of hacker from webster "an expert at programming and solving problems with a computer".

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      Of course that's just my opinion...... you could be wrong!
    2. Re:what the... by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      'Hacker' doesn't always mean 'someone who breaks into a computer.'

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:what the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Old meaning hacker, not new meaning hacker. We call that a refreshing change. So correctly he's a hacker. U been learn'd.

    4. Re:what the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of mentally deficient person wrote that summary? A programmer or professional video editor would be the one hired to do that job, not a hacker. Did they lose the password to the video system? Otherwise he's not a hacker.

      He is a hacker, just not a cracker.

    5. Re:what the... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Hacker !== to your silly notions

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    6. Re:what the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you have that backwards. The old meaning is "computer criminal," the new meaning was invented when a bunch of kids decided that being a hacker sounded cool, but then didn't like the strange stares they got when calling themselves one. So just to letigitmize it, they went around telling everyone that their meaning of the word "hacker" was the original one. You know, so it's everyone else who is wrong, not them.

      Needless to say, plenty of other nerds were doing the same thing, and so they accepted this new original meaning of the word "hacker" without question.

    7. Re:what the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The old phrase for `computer criminal' was cracker, not hacker. Hacker was an enthusiast of some form.

    8. Re:what the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you have that backwards. The old meaning is "computer criminal," the new meaning was invented when a bunch of kids decided that being a hacker sounded cool, but then didn't like the strange stares they got when calling themselves one. So just to letigitmize it, they went around telling everyone that their meaning of the word "hacker" was the original one. You know, so it's everyone else who is wrong, not them.

      Needless to say, plenty of other nerds were doing the same thing, and so they accepted this new original meaning of the word "hacker" without question.

      Um, you're wrong.

    9. Re:what the... by lgw · · Score: 1

      The old meaning is "computer criminal," the new meaning was invented when a bunch of kids decided that being a hacker sounded cool,

      The old meaning of hacker is "one who makes furniture with a hatchet". It's a fantastically impressive skill. "Hacker" meant "computing enthusiast" for a couple decades before it meant "computer criminal", as the latter was often the former and the distinction blurred.

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    10. Re:what the... by lgw · · Score: 1

      IIRC, he used planes and such to get a smooth finish. At one point he had a guest who he introduced as a hacker (an older guy with a beard). He made 4 legs for some table or chair project Roy was working on in about 30 seconds, 4 chops each with a hatchet, perfectly square, tapered appropriately, and of course blade smooth. Impressive as anything.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    11. Re:what the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it's quite evident that *someone* doesn't know what a hacker actually is. However, that someone is *you*.

    12. Re:what the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet no one can ever provide a citation. It's always "everyone knows it." Yet strangely no one knew it until one day suddenly everyone on Slashdot knew it.

  14. RTFA, seriously... oh fsck it I know you aren't by drkoemans · · Score: 1

    They are running a filter on the video footage that reduces to video equivalent of line art so that details such as facial features, distinguishing marks, license plates, etc. are no longer visible. Audio continues to be a problem but they are exploring various solutions. Pretty clever solution actually. I assume for evidentiary footage an unmanipulated version is being kept as well. This is very similar to a video library where a "preview" copy is rendered at a low resolution to save space/bandwidth and access is granted to everyone and the high quality copy is kept in reserve and can be requested upon demand.

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  16. Double edge sword by Ravaldy · · Score: 3

    This is another case of people wanting to make police so accountable they are willing to compromise their own privacy and spend millions of dollars country wide doing it.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it enough to be able to get specific recordings on demand? I mean, if a cop kills someone the video of the incident is required, not the other 5 TB recorded that day.

    This data should only need to be pulled out where abuse is suspected or complaints are made about an officer's behavior (because they know it can be proved via the body cam).

    1. Re:Double edge sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it enough to be able to get specific recordings on demand?

      Not if one wants to find patterns / gather statistics

    2. Re:Double edge sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about all the other non-reported abuses by cops?

    3. Re:Double edge sword by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Why? The police already keeps it (obviously) so your privacy is already lost. I'd rather have it be open to the public what exactly is being stored than kept secret forever. The other edge of the sword is that when police conveniently 'lose' their footage, it can now be proven otherwise, if it's kept secret, not so much.

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    4. Re:Double edge sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they should only be paid for the time the incidents take as well.

    5. Re:Double edge sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is another case of people wanting to make police so accountable they are willing to compromise their own privacy and spend millions of dollars country wide doing it.

      Police officers, in public, in the course of doing their job, have no expectation of privacy.

      Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it enough to be able to get specific recordings on demand?

      Try reading the article. This system helps deal with the workload inherent in *providing* those recordings on demand.

      I mean, if a cop kills someone the video of the incident is required, not the other 5 TB recorded that day.

      That's an *incredibly* low bar for police behavior. Don't kill anyone, and the rest of your performance doesn't matter? Read up on Officer Harless in Ohio. In *several* instances, he threatened to kill people (without cause) during stops.

      This data should only need to be pulled out where abuse is suspected or complaints are made about an officer's behavior (because they know it can be proved via the body cam).

      Again, this system helps deal with the workload by providing the heavily auto-redacted version for public perusal. With that available, the people doing FOIA requests can request *only* the footage that they need, rather than large blocks of footage that may or may not contain the footage they need. Since it takes about 1 hour of labor per minute of footage to provide the normally-redacted footage, this will significantly reduce the workload required to fulfill their duties under the law.

    6. Re:Double edge sword by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      he other edge of the sword is that when police conveniently 'lose' their footage, it can now be proven otherwise, if it's kept secret, not so much.

      Which is why the storage should be handled by a 3rd party with no direct ties to the police. There's plenty of private businesses that would be more than happy to offer these services.

      The police already keeps it (obviously) so your privacy is already lost. I'd rather have it be open to the public what exactly is being stored than kept secret forever

      What do we gain from doing that? All it does it provide an opportunity for poor interpretation which results in a need to explain which equals more paperwork which equals more tax dollars wasted. The fact is that if a complaint arises you can obtain proof through the body cam. If there's no complaint there's no need to access anything. Let the tax dollars be used towards education instead which will reduce crime.

      Contrary to the popular belief these days not all data needs to be made public. Make people accountable and that's usually more than enough. My boss doesn't have to monitor my whole day of work to know I'm working. He just needs results and that's how we should run our government. Assign people, make them accountable to the role and apply metrics to ensure efficiency is maintained or improved.

  17. Defeats the purpose. by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    This is terrible.

    Just how are body cams supposed to do their job of uncovering and providing evidence of police misconduct if the footage can be redacted, automatically or otherwise? These people are public servants who have a history... an especially ugly and heinous history in the last year or so... of misconduct on the job and dodging accountability for said misconduct. I don't have any particular expectation of privacy from my employer during the performance of my job. Why should they?

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    1. Re:Defeats the purpose. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is terrible.

      Just how are body cams supposed to do their job of uncovering and providing evidence of police misconduct if the footage can be redacted, automatically or otherwise? These people are public servants who have a history... an especially ugly and heinous history in the last year or so... of misconduct on the job and dodging accountability for said misconduct. I don't have any particular expectation of privacy from my employer during the performance of my job. Why should they?

      The material is archived raw - the heavy automatic redacting is done on a copy for automatic publishing. You can FOIA request specific material if you're aware of something having happened, or spot something interesting in the automatically released videos. That would then have the more selective, but costly, manual blurring applied, allowing you to see more details. The courts have access to the raw version.

    2. Re:Defeats the purpose. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original, non-redacted footage will remain for use when apropriate (e.g.: in court).
      The auto-redacted footage can be viewed without compromising the rights of the *non*-police people in the footage. Then, if there is cause, normally-redacted footage (which will show more detail, but takes more labor time to create) can be requested.

  18. OMG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    This does not sound like traditional police behavior. GOOD FOR THEM.

  19. Re:Pronoun Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're making fun of Tumblr, but you're triggered by a pronoun....

  20. I remember this idiot from Liveleak... by CaTfiSh · · Score: 2

    ...where he posted a video where a woman who had been arrested over a DWI had her social security and home address read aloud at the station. He then laughed about it and defended his actions until we finally got the mods to awaken and remove the video. He's a real piece of work.

  21. Retention Period by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their self-inflicted problem is trying to store the video for eternity.

    If they established a policy where video not required for cases/prosecution were deleted after ~1 month, they'd only have a few GB of data to worry about.

  22. Redacted? by koan · · Score: 1

    Well now we have another use for that NSA storage facility =)

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  23. Not FOIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not FOIA; the FOIA response is to say "yes, we can do that, and we will charge you our cost of x$/hr of footage". The FOIA does give an exemption of that cost for media requests, though for fishing expeditions we still have the option of charging our costs for complying with the FOIA request. I still think, though, that it's dumb that we have to charge roughly $3.50 for most that are asking for 2-3 properly identified and easy to find documents. It probably costs us that much to estimate the cost and accept the payment.

  24. Really?? by kingnite9915 · · Score: 1

    Come on, a police department taking something that could cost them millions, plus bad media and turning into something good? Heads will have to roll for this decision.

  25. Hmm by koan · · Score: 1

    Feds + Hacker/Cracker = Fracker.

    Remember when there was a difference between hacker and cracker?

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  26. Retention Period by chill · · Score: 1

    Part of the problem is this:

    Q. How long are the videos kept?

    A: Current policy is to indefinitely keep video recordings dealing with crimes. The Seattle Police Department is working with Department of Justice monitor Merrick Bobb to finalize policies for the body-worn cameras.

    Are they deleting videos that DON'T deal with crimes after a set period? And why in God's name are they kept indefinitely? Anything the DA doesn't elect to prosecute should be deleted fairly quickly. Anything that hints at police misconduct or a criminal charge against an office is kept for the duration of the State Statute of Limitations.

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  27. How about by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    Amending public records laws to require individuals to grant permission to release personal information prior to releasing records? And go allow charging for material, if the law doesn't already, so fishing expeditions would be to expensive.

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  28. When did requesting become hacking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A man made a legal request, but some how the moronically ignorant blogger is now claiming that he is hacker.

    He didn't school anybody. He hasn't even delivered the work he was hire for (ie: haven't finished the job).

    So how anything related to this article turns into the word HACKER ??

  29. Better stay away from "Blurred Lines" by Dareth · · Score: 1

    Better stay away from "Blurred Lines", you you may get sued by Marvin Gaye's family.

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  30. It compromises privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How on earth can opening the footage to the public NOT compromise privacy? I asked a cop on a streetcorner for directions the other day, he gave them, I thanked him and went on my way, no problem. I consider that to be a private conversation (it reveals my whereabouts that day and tells where I was trying to go). I don't want video of it to be a public record open to "fishing expeditions" by random jerks (think of Facebook mining all that video to build into consumer profiles). If the cop had beat me up when I asked for directions, then there'd be an active dispute so I'd want to be able to get the video as part of a possible court case, but not for "fishing". Or if there's an investigation against the cop (someone says he was in another town committing a murder at that time, and he wants to use the video as an alibi) that's fine. The basic principle in the US constitution is the "case or controversy" clause that says you can only go to court over a dispute that YOU are involved in, not sticking your nose into the business of third parties. Getting the video should be comparable. Unless there's an actual dispute involving the person requesting the video, nobody (including the police department and the cop wearing the camera) should be allowed to see the video and it should be deleted after 1 year.

    1. Re:It compromises privacy by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Informative

      How on earth can opening the footage to the public NOT compromise privacy?

      Check the article. They provide examples of over-redacted footage. Had you looked at them, you wouldn't be asking the questions you are.

      I asked a cop on a streetcorner for directions the other day, he gave them, I thanked him and went on my way, no problem. I consider that to be a private conversation (it reveals my whereabouts that day and tells where I was trying to go). I don't want video of it to be a public record open to "fishing expeditions" by random jerks

      All audio is removed from the over-redacted footage and techniques are used to ensure that people are not readily identifiable. Seriously, just go look at the examples.

      And I hate to break it to you, but any video recorded of you by an officer already is a matter of public record. Those "random jerks" just need to file a FOIA request to get the video. And in some states, such as Washington, they can even file those requests anonymously. Any interaction you have with a police officer is a matter of public record, whether you like it or not. This doesn't change that.

      Unless there's an actual dispute involving the person requesting the video, nobody (including the police department and the cop wearing the camera) should be allowed to see the video and it should be deleted after 1 year.

      Oh, definitely. Great plan. Hey, I think the following people may want to review any available footage the police have regarding their "disputes", but for some reason none of them are speaking...oh, that's right, it's because they were all murdered at the hands of police officers. And what do you know? In the two cases below where footage was available, the police officer is facing murder charges, while in the third one, they aren't. How strange.

      1) Walter Scott
      2) David Kassick
      3) Michael Brown

      Those were just off the top of my head. But while simply trying to dig up links for those three, I found out that Olympia, Washington police shot two unarmed brothers at a grocery store yesterday, that a rookie cop in New York fatally shot an innocent, unarmed man who just happened to step out of an apartment at the wrong time, that a cop in South Carolina shot an unarmed man at a traffic stop when the man turned to grab his driver's license, that Anaheim, California cops fatally shot two unarmed men in back-to-back days...the list goes on.

      Honestly, it's really depressing. I'm finding more articles about shootings I didn't know about than I am about the high-profile ones I was already aware of. And all of those but the last one are from just the last eight months.

      Suffice to say, I vehemently disagree with you.

    2. Re:It compromises privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I think the following people may want to review any available footage the police have regarding their "disputes", but for some reason none of them are speaking...oh, that's right, it's because they were all murdered at the hands of police officers.

      You know what I hate?
      People who play stupid in order to create a false dilemma.

      Those people who were murdered have an estate, that estate should get access to the video. Seriously this is not hard to think through if your goal is to find a solution rather than shit on something you don't like. All you have actually done is say "this bullshit reason is the best reason I can think of to dispute your idea" and since it is such a bullshit reason you've indirectly said you can't find a problem with his idea.

    3. Re: It compromises privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't bullshit. Google police shooting. More than enough material to warrant some effort to fix things. As for bullshit....estate? Who do you think gets disproportionately targeted? People without estates, aka the poor. The problem with the poor...they're poor. States and municipalities are using people who can't mount a legal defense as a source of revenue via civil forfeiture and over-enforcement. Because the poor don't provide as much revenue as they once did, coupled with bloat, authorities are going after the next rung on the economic ladder. The government is like a loanshark, you do not want to owe them.

    4. Re: It compromises privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for bullshit....estate? Who do you think gets disproportionately targeted? People without estates, aka the poor.

      Yet another case of someone playing dumb. Estate has nothing to do with being poor or rich, it is a legal term referring to a person's assets including their legal rights. As in the legal right to not be murdered which go to a person's heirs. In other words anyone injured by the death of the victim has standing to request access to the video.

    5. Re: It compromises privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what I hate?
      People who play stupid in order to create a false dilemma.

      What about hypocrites? People without close family/friends are not people?

      I agree with making this available to the public (as long as it is done right).

      It would hopefully deter bad cops from corruption (by either deterring them from abusing their position, or by deterring the bad eggs from ever becoming a cop). As long as the exposing of this is controlled by the police department, judges, DA, etc. it will just encourage the corruption we are seeing.

    6. Re:It compromises privacy by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      You know what I hate?
      People who play stupid in order to create a false dilemma.

      You know what I hate? When people blame others for their own shortcomings. Just to give a quick example, I hate it when people don't say what they mean, yet still expect strangers to divine the true meaning, give them the benefit of the doubt for any gaps in logic, and conduct a reasoned debate with them, rather than assuming that they're a run-of-the-mill idiot who has failed to consider the natural consequences of their idea.

      If you had been someone with whom I was familiar, I would have assumed you knew what you were talking about and that you were skipping minor details for the sake of conversation or brevity. I'd give you the benefit of the doubt. But you're not; you're an AC posting on Slashdot. Logical gaps are par for the course. Don't blame me for assuming you're an idiot when you leave obvious gaps I can drive a truck through.

      All you have actually done is say "this bullshit reason is the best reason I can think of to dispute your idea" and since it is such a bullshit reason you've indirectly said you can't find a problem with his idea.

      And now you're jumping to conclusions. The real reason was that I didn't see a point in dignifying your description about how you wish the world worked with a reasoned response. I did, however, see a point in providing you with some counterexamples that might remind you of the realities of this place where we all live.

      If the other side abandons reason and walks away from an argument, it doesn't necessarily mean that you've won. It could also mean that they see no further point in bothering with you.

  31. +1 Insightful by mccrew · · Score: 1

    Sorry, no mod points for you today.

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    1. Re:+1 Insightful by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 0

      You forget that a windows user doesn't know that and needs the prompting. Most of them lost 10 IQ points when Clippy died

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  34. The Memory Hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cf 1984

  35. uhhhhhhhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im sure the IT department loves him

  36. How come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few bad apples in the police
    are making videos necessary
    which is making privacy on a bad day impossible.

    Having the video's seems good.
    Releasing them willy nilly seems bad.

    Perhaps the rule should be that they can be released to anybody in them
    but that this does not give the person holding the tape the right to
    release photo's of anybody else except the policeman.