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Everyone Hates Harvard

theodp writes: Hedge fund manager John Paulson personally took home nearly $4 billion in 2007 after convincing banks to create securities of sub-prime mortgages he could bet against. Now Harvard, which originally passed on an opportunity to join alum Paulson in his big bet, is also reaping the rewards of the nation's financial crisis as it renames its engineering school the "Harvard John A. Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences" after receiving a staggering $400 million donation from Paulson, the largest gift in the university's history. Quartz argues that Paulson's $400 million Harvard donation just reinforces inequality. Author Malcolm Gladwell took to Twitter to voice his distaste (sampling: 1. "It came down to helping the poor or giving the world's richest university $400 mil it doesn't need. Wise choice John!" 2. "If billionaires don't step up, Harvard will soon be down to its last $30 billion." 3. "It's going to be named the John Paulson School of Financial Engineering.") And, in Everyone Hates Harvard, Philip Greenspun notes that even WSJ readers reacted with vitriol to the news. "I would have thought that Paulson would be a hero to market-following WSJ readers," remarks Greenspun, "not a villain."

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  1. Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to become a mass-murdering politician.

    1. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Harvard is the place those mass-murdering politicians go. It doesn't turn them into it. They were on the road to it long before going there, and continued that path afterwards. It's just one of the steps in that career path.

      Harvard (and the ivies in general) are not the places where the best students go. They are the places where the most spoiled, stuck up, rich little bastards who don't mind cheating and manipulating others to get ahead go to master their craft.

    2. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Like the "mass murderer" who brought us universal healthcare, drastically improving and saving countless American's lives?

      You're thinking of the wrong school. Mass murderers have daddy buy their way into being a C student at Yale.

    3. Re: Harvard is the right place by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're thinking of the wrong school. Mass murderers have daddy buy their way into being a C student at Yale.

      Al Gore or John Kerry?

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    4. Re: Harvard is the right place by Crashmarik · · Score: 0, Troll

      Like the "mass murderer" who brought us universal healthcare, drastically improving and saving countless American's lives?

      You're thinking of the wrong school. Mass murderers have daddy buy their way into being a C student at Yale.

      Has he had a drone strike today, or caused another country to collapse yet ?

      I will give him this his policy in the middle east is so bad, and has made the U.S. look so useless he has Israel and Saudi Arabia working together

      http://www.bloombergview.com/a...

    5. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

      Neither, mass murderers get into Yale on their own but leave before graduation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D..., then get a Skull and Bones-er to do his will.

    6. Re:Harvard is the right place by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The issue with Harvard and the other Ive League schools it the pretension they they as individual are better then everyone else.
      Granted getting into Harvard takes a lot of work, but there are a slew of smart people who could have gone but chose not to for a huge set of reasons.
      But what these schools do well isn't their education, but the people you get in contact with will keep you in the network of successful people.
      Now being around these people has its pluses and minuses. You pick up good skills however sometimes general comparison is loss from being in an environment of competing ambition.

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    7. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Obama is just cleaning up Bush's mess, you know. And he did get Osama, and he's facing a much worse situation now (ISIS) that was largely caused by Bush's failures in the middle east.

      And besides, the middle east is just beyond fucked, US interference or not. Stone age religious stupidity running rampant is impossible to fix. I honestly say let them destroy themselves in a holy war and the whole world will be better off for it.

    8. Re:Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But what these schools do well isn't their education, but the people you get in contact with will keep you in the network of successful people.

      It may be about networking in politics, law, and business. In the sciences, the benefit of those top schools is primarily about working with smart people who actually have done something significant, people you can learn from.

    9. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I never said that. All I said is Bush fucked up royally and left Obama with a messy situation, and that Obama is making sone progress, but the situation in the middle east is beyond hope.

      Nice straw man though.

    10. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This...it's next to impossible to make a shit sandwich palatable, no matter how many condiments you have at your disposal.

    11. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      He killed someone who was a prisoner in Pakistan effectively neutralised and an important intelligence asset. The spectacular rise of ISIS was caused by the US bailing out of Iraq while it still wasn't politically stable. The withdrawal from Iraq was lauded by Obama, certainly not the Bush administration. Obama hasn't cleaned up a damn thing.

    12. Re: Harvard is the right place by BinBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No one starts with a clean slate. Every president inherits problems. That's the job they begged and pleaded for. Blaming the previous president after 7 years is BS.

    13. Re: Harvard is the right place by cjjjer · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Its funny how muricans always blame their president for problems like these yet its the people of murica with their insatiable greed of consumerism that pretty much caused Bush and Obama to make sure their foreign interests are protected.

    14. Re: Harvard is the right place by NicBenjamin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Caused another country to collapse?

      Were you alive in September 2008? Because Bush made a pretty good start at forcing this one to collapse.

      Iraq and Syria wer both his poor decisions catching up to us. It isn't Obama's fault that Bush fucked up in '06 and decided Maliki would be a great prime Minister. The man started wars t5hat killed hundreds of thousands of people in the Meddle East without managing to kill the one guy we were going for (Osama) This is Carter or LBJ-league in terms of foreign policy. Domestically he's Buchanan-league. His programs massively increased Federal spending (mostly by buying prescription drugs and paying for those wars), cut revenue, and the MBA fucked up financial regulation so badly that it's not an exaggeration to say that our economy did not survive his last four months in office.

      Don't get me wrong. the man's a really nice guy, and apparently a wonderful father, and if a Pollster called me and asked me if I approved of him I'd almost certainly say yes. But objectively speaking his tenure was a disaster.

      OTOH, Obama's solved the wars. He managed to kill that one guy we've been trying to knock off since Clinton. The economy is growing, and the deficit is shrinking. His major domestic policy accomplishment is working more or less as planned, despite the Obama Derangement Syndrome's insistence that some new data point nobody gives a shit about means that it's about to collapse on itself every six months. 10 years from now his "evolving" on gay marriage will be remembered as the brave stand that forced dead-enders to give up their Evil Opposition to the Civil Rights Issue of the Era.

    15. Re: Harvard is the right place by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No one starts with a clean slate. Every president inherits problems. That's the job they begged and pleaded for. Blaming the previous president after 7 years is BS.

      Just crawl out from under a rock? We have present day politicians writing books blaming FDR for most everything. Or blaming Hoobert Heever for most everything. Only been a few years since eh?

      Its not that I am all that wild about the present occupant, but it is pretty hard to blame him for firmly entrenching us in the eternal warfare practice of the middle east. Once you are in that club, you can check out any timer you like, but you can never leave. Presidency or party affiliation is irrelevent. Dubya and the neocons were hell bent on getting boots on the ground then, just as they are now.

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    16. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True enough, but that doesn't mean you should double down and add extrajudicial killing of Americans and indiscriminate drone killings of civilians.

    17. Re:Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In the sciences you'd best be at MIT, Stanford, or at least at a smaller school with a specialization like Harvey Mudd.

    18. Re: Harvard is the right place by Crashmarik · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You really need to check your biases.

      There was an 11 year hunt for Bin Laden, But your going to assign all the credit to the guy who happened to be there at the end ?

      Solved the wars

      I love your use of the word solved. It's like solving power consumption issues with grenades.

    19. Re: Harvard is the right place by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But of course....he "inherited" the failures, but owns any "successes".

      *yawn*

      It's the whole "Success has many fathers, but failure is always an orphan" thing. But Obama being the narcissist that he is, many fathers = himself.

      I'll be glad when the current clown show is over. The melt down of American foreign policy along with the rampant deficit spending has been breathtaking in its lack of foresight and heaping truckloads of incompetence. Jimmy Buffet singing to the French after Charlie Hebdo? Really?

      Obama will still be blaming Bush when he's in his 90's and trips over his walker in the nursing home cafeteria.

    20. Re: Harvard is the right place by thunderclap · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Universal healthcare means everyone gets healthcare and it doesnt cost them anything. Obama didn't do that. He created a policy that was to force the states to fund health care and have the rich pay for the poor. That was rejected by almost half the states, So no we have no 'universal' healthcare. We have a tax if you don't have insurance.

    21. Re: Harvard is the right place by Microlith · · Score: 1, Troll

      There was an 11 year hunt for Bin Laden

      Was there? The whole thing was classified at best. Keep in mind that Bush explicitly stated that he dhttp://news.slashdot.org/story/15/06/07/0313256/everyone-hates-harvard#idn't care about Osama anymore, once he got into Iraq.

    22. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama made the call, and he would have taken the fall had things gone sideways in that raid (you can be damned sure about that). He gets the credit, no matter how much the hardcore right wing nutjobs wish they could diminish this accomplishment.

    23. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I do see it as a stepping stone to single payer... Which is really where we need to be...

    24. Re: Harvard is the right place by Bengie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since Obama care, my coverage has gone up, my premiums have gone down, and the local hospital has reduced its prices. A local representative from the local hospital came to our work to explain coverage and premium changes because we get our insurance through the hospital network. They said since more people in general have insurance, there are fewer people going to the ER and more people scheduling proper doctor visits, which is driving down costs because the hospital is no longer having to eat the costs of poor people unable to pay a $1k ER bill, but can afford a $80 doctor's bill.

    25. Re: Harvard is the right place by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

      You really need to check your biases.

      There was an 11 year hunt for Bin Laden, But your going to assign all the credit to the guy who happened to be there at the end ?

      Your biases are just as bad.

      The hunt for Bin Laden started in '98. He died in '11. That's a 13-year-hunt. But you don't like Clinton, so you don't want to credit him for being the only one who took Osama seriously before S11.

      And yes, I'm going to give full credit to the guy who actually finished the job. The previous two guys can get some partial credit (especially Clinton, because at the time his hunt for Bin laden was widely derided by everyone on both sides as the equivalent of Ahab going after the White Whale), but trying and failing does not result in full credit.

      Solved the wars

      I love your use of the word solved. It's like solving power consumption issues with grenades.

      Technically he solved the wars by pulling the grenade-throwers out.

      It would be a very good line if you'd use'd drone strikes. He still does those.

    26. Re: Harvard is the right place by jcr · · Score: 0

      brought us universal healthcare,

      Hook, line, sinker, rod, reel, basket, and copy of Angling Times.

      It's depressing that people as stupid as you can vote.

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    27. Re: Harvard is the right place by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

      Add? You think these things are new?!

    28. Re: Harvard is the right place by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2

      You're thinking of the wrong school. Mass murderers have daddy buy their way into being a C student at Yale.

      Al Gore or John Kerry?

      Not Al Gore, given that he went to Harvard, not Yale.

    29. Re: Harvard is the right place by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's depressing that people as stupid as you can vote.

      It's also instructive. It explains why more vote fraud isn't needed to get these ridiculous outcomes. People are just goddamned dumb.

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    30. Re: Harvard is the right place by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      you forget that clinton actually had (at least one) chance to take out bin laden, he admits this much himself.... but didnt

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    31. Re: Harvard is the right place by Beck_Neard · · Score: 2

      For most of the 11 years absolutely fuck-all happened. We can say this with certainty because it's now been revealed that Bin Laden's 'fortress' was actually a Pakistani-controlled compound in which Bin Laden was under house arrest. So basically, Bin Laden spent the first 5 or 6 years roaming free in Afghanistan to do anything he wanted, then sought shelter in Pakistan for several more years until some people in the Pakistani government got tired of it all and tipped off the US. Then Obama staged this hilarious over-the-top SEAL campaign to go in there and execute him gangland-style (with a tie-in movie and merchandising!) though knowing full well that he wasn't going anywhere.

      The entire thing is just so hilarious that it's almost unbelievable. Neither Bush nor Obama did anything of substance to get Bin Laden.

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    32. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      And Republicans will be hating on Obama after he is dead for a century.

    33. Re: Harvard is the right place by sonicmerlin · · Score: 1

      Do you fracking understand Saddam was our ally in the Middle East? He kept Iran subdued and under control. With him gone and ISIS going wild we were *forced* into allying with Iran, helping them develop nuclear technology in exchange for their help in the MEast. That's what Bush's fracking legacy is.

    34. Re: Harvard is the right place by ChrisMaple · · Score: 0

      Americans will be hating Obama after he is dead for a century, just as hate for Benedict Arnold and John Wilkes Booth and Hitler and Stalin endures.

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    35. Re: Harvard is the right place by sonicmerlin · · Score: 0

      The neocons STILL want to send troops back to Middle East. Can you not see how utterly nutty they are?

    36. Re: Harvard is the right place by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Universal healthcare means everyone gets healthcare and it doesnt cost them anything.

      And you're Dorothy's scarecrow, believing that such a thing is possible.

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    37. Re: Harvard is the right place by ChrisMaple · · Score: 0

      I haven't needed a doctor's services in 45 years. Forcing me to pay for insurance that I neither want nor need does not save me money, but it does help me believe I'm living in a tyranny.

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    38. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're living in the tyranny of your own ignorance, that's worse you sad old fuck.

    39. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry. Iraq was relatively stable in 2009. The reason it's so fucked up now is directly due to Obama's fantasy foreign policy. The same goes for Yemen, Libya, Egypt, etc. The "Arab Spring" was Jimmy Carter's fuckup with Iran multiplied. I agree about letting them destroy themselves...blockade the entire area, let no one out but let any nut who wants in have at it. http://www.politico.com/magazi...

    40. Re: Harvard is the right place by ksheff · · Score: 1

      Their Saudi buddies want us back to do their dirty work just like in 1991 & 2003.

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    41. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, he solved it like Monty Python: Run Away! Run Away!

    42. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so why are all the bills that I'm getting from varias hospitals for ER visits 2-3x what they used to be?

    43. Re: Harvard is the right place by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call it Pakistani-controlled. As far as I can tell nothing in Pakistan is actually Pakistani-controlled. It's more Mob rule on a national scale.

      Seymour Hersh's recent article on the issue isn't terribly credible, for the same reason the intelligence that got us into the Iraq War was not credible: the people making the allegations benefit from them. If Pakistani Intelligence knew bin Laden was there then they can claim to be a real country.

    44. Re: Harvard is the right place by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately there isn't an Obama Half Dollar yet.

    45. Re: Harvard is the right place by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2

      I have to agree, the only thing Obama has done was make Carter the second worst president in my lifetime.

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    46. Re: Harvard is the right place by Beck_Neard · · Score: 1

      Hersh's original article ("The Killing of Osama bin Laden") is plenty credible and the main points are backed up by numerous other sources. Some of the finer details have yet to be confirmed and I can't say about his later musings.

      > It's more Mob rule on a national scale.

      Yes, it's called government. This sentence conveys no useful information. Are you saying Pakistan is an ochlocracy?

      > If Pakistani Intelligence knew bin Laden was there then they can claim to be a real country.

      Pakistan isn't a real country?

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    47. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you can't spell?

    48. Re: Harvard is the right place by dbIII · · Score: 1

      The Neocons want to nuke Iran NOW despite the strange situation where Iran is on our side and doing the heavy lifting against ISIS/Daash. That's even nuttier.

    49. Re:Harvard is the right place by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Granted getting into Harvard takes a lot of work

      A thing that lowers their reputation a great deal is that people like Baby Bush can get in there without a lot so work (due to family connections) and get a degree despite doing little other than cheerleading. It only takes a couple of those a year to put the entire bunch under suspicion.
      Then there's the infamous MBA in shouting. Performance of graduates of that (as in a large number of scandals and spectacular failures) indicate that something is badly wrong - either the people going in or something in the Harvard MBA education/training process itself. You could also say that about some other MBA courses run along the same lines but Harvard has the high profile.

    50. Re: Harvard is the right place by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Nuke? Hyperbole much? There's no relevant political faction in the US that is calling for a nuclear strike on anything.

      And really, is it the US that likes to have little death to Iran rallies? or is that Iran that likes to have death to america rallies?

      Who is burning who's flag?

      Come now. Perspective.

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    51. Re: Harvard is the right place by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Also, see "I haven't called the police in 45 years, I don't know why my taxes go to pay them."

      While you might not have directly gone to a clinic in 45 years, you definitely have benefited from good healthcare services. Notice how the US doesn't have polio, ebola, or any other epidemic? You're welcome. Now you can also get some meds for the delusions of tyranny.

    52. Re: Harvard is the right place by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Maybe irrelvant and discredited, but definitely still existing and still nutty.

    53. Re: Harvard is the right place by Karmashock · · Score: 0

      You can find people that will say anything.

      You want to talk about the people that say that ducks live in their finger nails as well?

      You're basically attempting a political strawman by pretending that a tiny tiny fraction of the political spectrum represents about HALF the political spectrum... which is opposed to your little tribe.

      Rather than argue against what they're really talking about, you instead strawman the whole group by saying they believe something they don't, then pat yourself on the back when you show that thing they don't actually believe to be stupid.

      Riddle me this, liar... are you actually able to answer the ACTUAL criticism they're leveling against your tribe?

      Here it is: "That Obama is basically letting Iran's nuclear program complete itself, that Obama is removing the sanctions in return for nothing, and that in the event that Iran inevidably betrays their word and turns their peaceful program into a bomb... the US really won't be able to do anything about it."

      That is the argument from your political opposition. The argument is not to nuke Iran. The argument is rather to maintain sanctions on Iran.

      Sanctions.

      And because you're too feeble and cowardly to actually deal with that argument, you instead strawmanned them by saying that they wanted to Nuke Iran.

      But you know what, lets just assume you weren't a dishonorable stain on the species, what is your response to your opposition's ACTUAL position?

      That is they want sanctions to be maintained on Iran. What do you say to that?

      Note... nuking Iran does not enter into their argument at any point. At all.

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    54. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds somewhat anecdotal.

      Maybe I saw a biased news report (I don't recall the source) but overall the opposite is reported to be happening.

      Reduced prices, reduced ER visits and more "proper doctor visits" were certainly promised as benefits of the ACA. I'm just not sure it has delivered those. It is still a relatively young program though and would be better judged after a few years.

    55. Re:Harvard is the right place by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I get the feeling that Harvard does a poor job at covering ethics and human resource management.
      I got an MBA from a different school (post Enron) and ethics were ingrained as part of every class.

      When I hear people saying it is those MBA who do such evil, I remember taking MBA classes warning us about such actions and the long term consequences.

      Perhaps my trading was unique, or Harvard is different because it prestigious name cases them to ignore actual changes in business.

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    56. Re: Harvard is the right place by dywolf · · Score: 1

      If that's your view then you have fallen victim to misinformation about two Presidencies.

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    57. Re: Harvard is the right place by dywolf · · Score: 1

      The only reason Bush cared about 9/11 was it gave him an excuse to get Saddam.
      He had a hard-on for getting revenge on the guy who tried to assassinate his father.

      In his first national security briefing after taking office he asked "How can I get Saddam?"
      One of the first questions asked after 9/11 was "Can we use this to get Saddam?"

      It took another several months of leaking talking points to the New York Times, but eventually he got what he wanted.

      And in the process it only cost the country several trillion dollars, several thousand American lives, a few hundred thousand Iraqi lives, destabilized three countries, and created a deeper quagmire than already existed in the region.

      In the list of bad things to inherit from a previous President, this pretty much takes the cake.

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    58. Re: Harvard is the right place by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Canada, the UK, and pretty much every other advanced nation in the world would like to have a word with you about the definition of "possible".

      The US is pretty much the only exception amongst it's peers in this regard, and not in a good way.

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    59. Re: Harvard is the right place by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      So you needed a verbose way to proclaim you're a nutter ?

    60. Re: Harvard is the right place by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Eat right, don't smoke, don't drink, exercise regularly - and still end up in ER because you got hit by a drunk driver....

    61. Re: Harvard is the right place by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      And maintaining sanctions is a cause worthy of comitting high treason for ? Because that's what 43 Republican senators did.

      When they are facing charges for that treason, you can start imagining you live in a country where everybody is equal before the law again.

      You know, like when Reagan was charged with high treason over the Iran/Contra scandal... oh drat...

      Right when Nixon was charged with high treason over the watergate scandal... oh drat.

      I know when Bush and Cheney were charged... oh drat.

      Wait, which republican high-up has ever actually been criminally charged over anything they did no matter how heinous ?
      But the country did charge a president for getting a blowjob... now THAT is clearly a bigger scandal than selling guns to your enemies in order to fund a gang of drug-dealing, torture loving hooligans in Nicaragua.

      The same enemy actually... that this generation's pubes rather badly want a war with. That should be fun - republicans sending American soldiers to get shot with American guns sold to their enemy by a Republican president.

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    62. Re: Harvard is the right place by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Fifty bucks says he would have to google to find out what the Iran/Contra scandal was. And after he does, he'll have a million reasons why a president who committed high treason and got away with it is "better" than one who gave America it's longest time ever without an active war. And all one million of them will basically mean "because his name was Reagan".

      That's the sad irony of the current Republican handling of Iran - it's likely to lead to yet another war where Republicans send American soldiers to get killed by weapons that republicans sold their enemies.

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    63. Re: Harvard is the right place by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      Hersh's original article ("The Killing of Osama bin Laden") is plenty credible and the main points are backed up by numerous other sources. Some of the finer details have yet to be confirmed and I can't say about his later musings.

      No, it really isn't.

      It's based on one source. the source added one true fact to the story (there was apparently a walk-in involved), and the rest is all fanciful BS that only a Film Major would take seriously.

      For example, let's say you're Pakistan. you control Osama because he's constantly surrounded by men with guns. Your men with guns. Why the fuck do you bother bringing in a SEAL team to kill his ass? You can shoot him and feed his corpse to the pigs. You can cart him to the mountains, give the CIA an "anonymous tip," and then slip him a sleeping pill while the SEALs are on thew way so your troops can get away. You do not actually need to create a major assassination operation five fucking minutes from your military Academy, which will convince the entire fucking world your military is dumber then two sacks of shit for not noticing Bin Laden.

      Hell, why involve some poor Doctor whose just trying to vaccinate your kids against a deadly disease? Seriously, the scenario that played out was pretty much guaranteed to convince half the damn country not to vaccinate their kids for polio, which means that it sickened hundreds of Pakistani kids. And Hersh is claiming the whole damn thing Pakistan's idea.

      If Pakistan were run by people who have the common sense of a goat, they would not have involved themselves in this operation. It made hundreds of innocent Pakistani children seriously ill, humiliated the Pakistani Defense Establishment is worthless, risked blowing up a huge section of a fairly important Pakistani City, and there's absolutely no pay-off for them.

      Which in turn means that unless the source is impeccable no sane person will take it seriously. the source isn't impeccable. the source is a member of the aforementioned Pakistani Defense Establishment, and he benefits if people believe that it was all their idea because otherwise they're laughingstocks.

      > It's more Mob rule on a national scale.

      Yes, it's called government. This sentence conveys no useful information. Are you saying Pakistan is an ochlocracy?

      Yes.

      You wanna know what happened to the attempted assassins of Malala after they got sentenced to 25 years? Eight of the ten walked out of prison. The Pakistani Justice system claims the Prosecutor was lying when he said that all 10 had been convicted, and 8 got acquitted, but that's a rather odd thing for a Prosecutor to lie about. And it's quite strange that 8 Taliban gunmen, admitted members of a movement that seeks to overthrow the government by violence, got to walk out of Court.

      Unless the government is too weak to a) admit that 80% of the defendants got off, b) keep all 10 in prison.

      > If Pakistani Intelligence knew bin Laden was there then they can claim to be a real country.

      Pakistan isn't a real country?

      In the legal, formal sense? Yes.

      In the sense that it actually controls it's territory? Hell no. There are active rebellions in most of it's landmass, residents of seven of the eight state-level government will identify themselves as Sindhi/Balochi/etc. before saying Pakistani, the supposedly secular government tries to support Islamist rebels in Kashmir (because part of Kashmir is run by India) while fighting an Islamist rebellion in it's Pashto areas, and appeasing Islamists in other regions by occasionally letting them lynch some random illiterate Christian whose equally illiterate Islamic neighbors swear he said bad things about Muhammed, etc.

      It's a step above Somalia, but the step is damn short.

    64. Re: Harvard is the right place by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      KSM was the mind behind 9/11. Without him, it probably wouldn't have happened. Without bin Laden, it probably still would have.... KSM probably would have just gone to a different group besides al Qaeda, or formed his own.

      Likewise with finding and killing bin Laden. Without the CIA, we wouldn't have found him. Without Obama, we probably still would have, and John McCain would be taking credit.

    65. Re: Harvard is the right place by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      High treason huh? For what? Cite it please. And I'll show you democrats doing the same thing. What is being cited as high treason is not high treason. If it were, they'd be charged with high treason.

      Theyr'e not because it wasn't.

      I'm stopping there. Your opening comment was so dumb that I don't have interest in going further unless you admit it was bullshit.

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    66. Re: Harvard is the right place by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      Sorry, Dude. The US is now largely irrelevant in the Middle East. George W Bush nuked any remaining cred the US had. The harm Bush did will echo for decades. Obama is powerless as long as he (and the US generally) continue to give Israel a pile of cash and a free pass no matter what. Even Israel craps on the US...

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    67. Re: Harvard is the right place by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Sorry, Dude. The US is now largely irrelevant in the Middle East. George W Bush nuked any remaining cred the US had. The harm Bush did will echo for decades. Obama is powerless as long as he (and the US generally) continue to give Israel a pile of cash and a free pass no matter what. Even Israel craps on the US...

      Thanks I needed a good chuckle. But hell make your case. What state was the Middle East in when GWB left office where is it now ?

      Come on please I am eager to see this.

    68. Re: Harvard is the right place by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      Writing a letter to a foreign power undermining an on-going presidential negotiation.
      That is unconstitutional and specifically an act of treason as defined in the Logan Act, which declares it treason for any American citizen (that includes senators) to make any contact whatsoever with a foreign power while that power is in negotiations with the president.
      The law does however recognize that this particular form of high treason isn't as damaging as some of the others, which is why the prescribed sentence is only 3 years in prison.
      But they ought to be charged. And just imagine if 43 republican senators including 2 presidential candidates were actually charged, convicted and jailed right now ...

      You didn't actually consider any of my other examples, did you ? Hell at least Reagan had to give up a fall-guy to get away with his (much more severe and outright) act of high treason. These guys had the whole country, and the media, pointing out their crime - they made America a laughing stock when they proved that the foreign minister of Iran knows America's constitution better than the republicans in congress do.
      It seems the only people who haven't figured out how criminal their letter was were chickenhawk republican voters and the rest of the government.

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    69. Re: Harvard is the right place by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Which fact was wrong? Bush Jr openly blamed Saddam for making his father lose a second term. His handlers were happy with the personal vendetta because it made Haliburton and others billions of dollars.

    70. Re: Harvard is the right place by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      First, the letter just said that any agreement Obama struck with Iran would either have to be ratified by congress or it wouldn't be enforceable past Obama's presidency. That's just a fact. There is no negotiation there. That is just reminding the Iranians how US law works.

      Second, several democrats have done similar things throughout the years. This is my personal favorite:
      http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/...

      Third, I don't think you understand what "treason" means:
      https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...

      ""
      Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

      LII has no control over and does not endorse any external Internet site that contains links to or references LII.
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      THAT is treason. Penning a letter to Iran which is something anyone in the US can do by the way... we do have freedom of speech which extends to sending letters to other countries. US senators and congressman can absolutely send letters to other countries and they do so all the time.

      It is not treason unless you do so with the intent of undermining the United States.

      Undermining a particular treaty you don't agree with is not treason. And if it were, a lot of democrats would have died in jail or been executed.

      They weren't because it isn't treason. Its annoying when it happens but that's US politics for you. This isn't against our laws and the people that suggest otherwise are ignorant. Again, if it were against the law, then people would have gone to jail.

      No one went to jail because it isn't illegal much less fucking treason.

      As to the logan act, it isn't enforced if they did violate it. Again, senators and congress people make contact with foreign governments without authorization all the time. Both parties. Do you honestly think the democrats didn't try to undermine any Bush Jr's foreign policy by contacting other governments? Don't be naive.

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    71. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I'm just thinking one should expect better of an elected official than the status quo...

    72. Re: Harvard is the right place by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      http://popcultureblog.dallasne...

      Keep on going crazy person

    73. Re: Harvard is the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because healthcare services are the reasons diseases don't spread. Not running water.

    74. Re: Harvard is the right place by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You are the only crazy person here. Just because Bush asserts it is the truth doesn't make it so.

    75. Re: Harvard is the right place by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Stop playing with your tinfoil hat and show your proof.

    76. Re: Harvard is the right place by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      Universal healthcare means everyone gets healthcare and it doesnt cost them anything.

      While I agree with your sentiment in general, I think we need to avoid saying things like "it doesn't cost them anything". Universal healthcare most certainly does cost us something, but it costs us less in many ways than the current system (before or after ACA). When you say "it doesn't cost them/us anything", it gives the opposition something to latch on to because it is technically incorrect, though the underlying idea isn't. Then they'll crow and drown out arguments, and if someone responds "Well, yes, it does cost us something, but-" they'll exclaim "Aha! They've been lying to you this whole time!" Fallacies all over, but unfortunately fallacies work very well in society. Best to not give them that ammunition in the first place.

      See also: "You didn't build that", "You have to pass it to find out what's in it", etc.

    77. Re: Harvard is the right place by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Proof of what?

    78. Re: Harvard is the right place by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      You are correct but also you misunderstand. I said what people actually believed 'universal healthcare' to able be. The ability to go to any hospital, doctor or medic and it not cost them any money period. This is what they actually expected. Of course, thats impossible.

    79. Re: Harvard is the right place by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      He picked the right Monty Python skit.

      Solving Wars by threatening to gnaw people's legs off is the Bush doctrine, and it doesn't work very well.

  2. Why? by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why isn't this guy in jail yet?

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    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He hasn't bought a law yet that he broke.

    2. Re:Why? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Informative

      He wanted to bet against the housing market, the banks took his bet, and he won. Many others who did the same thing mis-timed their move and lost. So why should he be in jail?

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    3. Re:Why? by ultranova · · Score: 0

      Why isn't this guy in jail yet?

      Why should he be? Isn't screwing over everyone and everything while pursuing a get-rich-quick scheme the very essence of the American Dream?

      This is just business as usual for a system where the only thing that matters is success.

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    4. Re:Why? by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      The others who mis-times shouldn't be in jail because THEY were lucky enough to fail.

      Somebody who fails to steal something isn't a thief, doesn't mean somebody who is a thief should get to walk too.

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    5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What did he do that was wrong?
      He never sold other people mortgages or told them how great subprime mortgages were(From what I've read.) Instead he saw that they were very likely to go kaboom. And made a bet with the banks that they would go KABOOM! The banks thinking this was impossible took his bet laughing all the way to their vaults. Had Paulson been wrong they would have kept the money. Of course, Paulson got the last laugh.
      Sure Paulson wasn't the only person to win and he might simply have gotten lucky on timing. But win big he did. This is seen in most bubble bursts. A lot of people will start piling on the bullish side way early. Only to run out of capital and go bankrupt.

      The only thing that you can criticize Paulson over is that he likes to keep his strategies close to his chest. But he doesn't give contrary advice to the public.
      Nothing wrong with being smarter then than the average bear as long as you don't use it to lie to and manipulate the average bear.

      Now, other financial institutions, their managers and employees should be in jail they sold products they were investing against as very safe bets.

    6. Re:Why? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      Despite what the summary says, he didn't create the problem. He recognized it and took a position. He may not be a good guy, but it wasn't stealing.

    7. Re:Why? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So winning at poker or doing well at the stock exchange is stealing now? He didn't con an old lady out of her savings; he made a bet with banks and other investors who should have known better. No underhanded tricks, nothing up his sleeves, he just thought he saw were the market was going and acted accordingly. Jail the bankers for making such a mess with their subprime mortgages. Better yet: if you think this sort of thing is undesirable, propose laws against it before your start running your mouth about jailing people.

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    8. Re:Why? by Jiro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As others have pointed out, betting against the housing market is a good thing. It was betting for, not against, the housing market that caused the problem. By betting against it, he incrementally raised the cost to the banks of making bad decisions. This is beneficial to society.

    9. Re:Why? by jellomizer · · Score: 0

      This isn't a get rich quick scheme. You already need to be rich to play at that level.
      Sure once in a while someone will get lucky and pick the right stocks at the right time and they will make a ton of money. However betting against stocks in general is a bad business decision, as most stocks trend up over the long haul. Normally doing this is a way to reduce risk in your portfolio by smoothing out the varability in risky stocks.
      So say you bet against Ford and favor Tesla.

      Tesla goes up and down very rapidly, while Ford is more steady. So if you average the stocks you get less varability overall.

      Now the real issue I would have betting against the market is your money isn't going towards helping the company. Companies sell stock so they can bring in additional money to expand operations, while the shorting of stock just stays in the financial market.

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    10. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, it says right in the summary that the banks' decision to bundle sub-prime mortgages into complex derivatives that, on paper, had low probabilities of failing but that, in total, created systemic risk that far outweighed the risk associated with any single mortgage bundle. He knew that presenting it in a certain way would enable him to sell the idea.

      He's nothing more than a common crook, peddling dream scams to the public. Just because his marks were supposedly informed investors does not change the fact that he exploited their existing evaluation frameworks in a manner he knew, or ought to have known, would create huge harm to the broader market.

    11. Re:Why? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      How is betting against someone and winning theft?

      There's a lot to be angry about in the GFC, but one person being smart enough to predict it and bet against it is not it.

    12. Re:Why? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      He has money. We don't lock up our royalty!

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    13. Re:Why? by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So it's fine to be part of the problem as long as you don't break a law?

      Great, so everyone abusing social security (within the legal limits, just not within its intended function) is off the hook now and no longer a despicable sponge but actually a shrewd businessman!

      We should bail them out, don't you think? Let's all give them a hand.

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    14. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are identifying the wrong villain.

      The banks are TBTF.
      They should be broken up.
      You should not be defending them, since we do not need the existing TBTF banks protected against one specific bad pitch.
      We need an ecosystem of smaller banks.
      If he had had to pitch to 42,000 smaller shops - it wouldn't have penetrated as much and would not have been systemic.

      Ty

    15. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      He hasn't bought a law yet that he broke.

      Actually, he did. http://www.deepcapture.com/?s=...

    16. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is betting against someone and winning theft?

      It may not be theft, exactly, but if you convince someone to do something that you can exploit for your own gain against their interests, it can be criminal.

      Perspective matters.

    17. Re:Why? by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      He has money. We don't lock up our royalty!

      He has money he must be guilty of something / sarcasm

    18. Re:Why? by Carewolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As others have pointed out, betting against the housing market is a good thing. It was betting for, not against, the housing market that caused the problem. By betting against it, he incrementally raised the cost to the banks of making bad decisions. This is beneficial to society.

      The question is what is implied with that "he convinced the banks to create the securities that could bet against". That might be fraud or at least morally questionable.

    19. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! This is how our system works, folks. If you don't like it, move to another country!

    20. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing is if the other people don't know it's a game and don't know it's random, the ethics are questionable.

    21. Re:Why? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      He knew that presenting it in a certain way would enable him to sell the idea.

      That doesn't make it a crime any more than selling lottery tickets is a crime. Except the chance of losing your money is higher when you play the lottery.

    22. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no benefit to the society. Not only did the banks make bad decisions, it even gave banks the opportunity to create money out of nothing, by accepting the bet that the housing market would not collapse.

      This system accelerated the housing bubble because banks kept on seeing double digit percentages by winning bets until they lost one bet and saw their system collapse. We wouldn't have heard of John Paulson if he would have made the bet a few weeks/months earlier because he would have lost his stake. The only thing this did for society is to let people buy a house they couldn't afford and to let banks secure loans they could not backup. If you think the society of today is a better place after so many banks went bankrupt, you have forgotten that many banks have been rescued with tax payer money. Money they got mostly by cutting down public services and raising taxes. For me personally it meant and 3% increase in value added tax. 1,5 year of unemployment and a new job where I earn 25% less than in my previous job and where I lost 14 years of savings in my retirement plan, which I have to compensate by trying to save more per month with a lower income. The only luck for me is that I was able to keep my house thanks to my parents and that I have paid off my house. The bad thing is that I now live in an impoverished neighbourhood with a lot of unemployment, a lot of drugs and alcohol abuse and a lot of criminality and a lack of police force because they had to cut spending.

      By the way I do not think John Paulson is the cause of the housing bubble, he is just someone who was lucky to bet on the right time. It is the system that is bad. The financial system should no longer be about eternal growth where investors can only make money by betting on the fluctuations of the stock market.
       
      In the current system many companies aim for eternal growth and instead of rewarding investors for their trust with dividends they reinvest all earnings into growth (buying up potential competitors and thus destroying the free market) and making sure they don't have income by creating depths and moving earnings to some tax friendly country. In a normal financial market, these companies would be punished for not rewarding the trust of the investors. In the current casino financial market, the investors gamble on whether an effect will become worth more or less. And in this system the house (= the elite bankers who run the stock markets) is always the winner because for every winner there is a loser, but on every transaction (billions of transactions per second!!!!) 'the house' gets a percentage or fixed price.

    23. Re:Why? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      The question is what is implied with that "he convinced the banks to create the securities that could bet against". That might be fraud or at least morally questionable.

      No, it is neither fraud nor morally questionable. To the contrary, if more people had done what he did, the housing bubble wouldn't have grown as big and the crash wouldn't have been as bad.

    24. Re:Why? by msauve · · Score: 1

      Great, so everyone abusing social security (within the legal limits, just not within its intended function)

      Why don't you offer an example of this legal abuse, and a cite for "its intended function"?

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    25. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He knew how banks evaluated investments, and exploited that process to sell them something that he knew was riskier than the banks' formulaic methods would reveal.

      Should the banks have known better? Sure. But that does not absolve him of the crime of selling something that he knew to be less valuable than the person he was selling it to. Used car dealers don't get to get away with it. He's no different.

    26. Re:Why? by MrNaz · · Score: 2

      Yes, the operative words being "your money".

      As distinctly opposed to losing banks' customers' money and then a giant pile of taxpayers' money.

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    27. Re:Why? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Paulson might have lost other peoples' money in other misadventures, but he wasn't the one losing other peoples' money in this case. My view is that Paulson performed a valuable public service. If we had the balls to let these banks and funds fail, then we'd have cut out a lot of parasites and incompetents from our economy.

    28. Re:Why? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      He may not be a good guy, but it wasn't stealing.

      Except he was a good guy. By betting against the overvaluation of the housing market, he was helping to pull it back down to sustainable levels. If more people did what he did, the financial crisis would have been less severe, fewer people would have lost their jobs, and maybe no bailout would have been needed.

    29. Re: Why? by Type44Q · · Score: 0

      Wow, look at all the paid shills... I'd never have believed that this industry could (much less would) mount such a panicky defense of this sociopathic waste of a pulse. ;)

    30. Re:Why? by khallow · · Score: 1

      But that does not absolve him of the crime of selling something that he knew to be less valuable than the person he was selling it to.

      I guess we should send you to idiot jail then for that sentence was a crime against reason. There is no crime here and hence, no need for absolution.

    31. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because (next up on /.) Everybody Loves Theodp!

    32. Re:Why? by Livius · · Score: 1

      So why should he be in jail?

      He was in an inherent conflict of interest. That's the illegal part.

    33. Re:Why? by radarskiy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "fraud nor morally questionable" part comes from the fact that they were actively advising people to invest one way so that they could invest the other.

    34. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't really define what constitutes a stupid question, but i know it when I hear one.

    35. Re:Why? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Finally a short insightful comment that summarizes it all. He deserved the reward he got trying to counter balancing this crazy housing market on steroids.

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    36. Re:Why? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      C'mon, don't be childish. It is not a morale question. Do you question the morale of the banks in this case?

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    37. Re:Why? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2

      So it's fine to be part of the problem as long as you don't break a law?

      Whether or not it's "fine," we absolutely should not jail people who don't break the law. Doing so is going down a very, very dangerous road.

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    38. Re:Why? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Since it has become pretty much impossible to get rich by working, you might be onto something...

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    39. Re:Why? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      So it's fine to be part of the problem as long as you don't break a law?

      Yes, if a person acts lawfully, no matter how despicable you think his acts might be, it is still lawful. Change the law to make his acts unlawful and wait for him to violate those laws. That is what it means to be free. To be able to do anything you want lawfully unless a law passed making it unlawful.

      Great, so everyone abusing social security (within the legal limits, just not within its intended function) is off the hook now and no longer a despicable sponge but actually a shrewd businessman!

      No one is abusing social security if they are not breaking a law. You thinking there should be a law about that doesn't amount to anything until there actually is a law about that. Now you can have an opinion about how people lawfully use social security and if you purpose your opinion properly, you might get a law made that in fact does make this illegal, but until then, it is just one man's opinion and you should not be shocked or surprised that others hold different opinions about people doing things within the bounds of the law.

    40. Re:Why? by kencurry · · Score: 1

      He knew that presenting it in a certain way would enable him to sell the idea.

      That doesn't make it a crime any more than selling lottery tickets is a crime. Except the chance of losing your money is higher when you play the lottery.

      Selling "numbers" is a crime. It's only state sanctioned numbers game called "lottery" is legal.

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    41. Re: Why? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      And by "paid shills" you mean people like yourself, deeply steeped in a culture of government-supported educational institutions and government-funded projects?

    42. Re:Why? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      It may be "morally questionable", but that's not the issue. It's not fraud to advise people to do things against their own interest. And it doesn't change the fact that if more people had done what he did, the real estate bubble would have been less severe.

    43. Re:Why? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      the only thing that you can criticize Paulson over is that he likes to keep his strategies close to his chest.

      He had his own company with investors that specifically had to toe the line when it came to Paulson's strategies. A lot of them bailed. He really made out by the skin of his teeth since timing was everything (he had enormous notes due with not all that much capital). He is under absolutely no onus to 'tell everybody' his investment strategies.

      BTW, he did alert the SEC because he felt the banks were pulling an egregiously illegal stunt (basically they were making money out of thin air). The SEC didn't have the smarts nor the political will to figure it out.

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    44. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, this doesn't belong in the courts or in the hands of the law. Dispensing justice for these types of atrocities is best handled by the people, after they've had time to boil some rope and gather their pitchforks.

    45. Re:Why? by Thomas+Miconi · · Score: 3

      He did not do any of that. The summary is inflammatory flamebait. If you click on the link, you get a WSJ article that actually contradicts the summary (welcome to New Slashdot).

      The WSJ story is very clear about what Paulson did: he noticed that subprime lending was out of control, and that the standard "insurance" against bad bets (CDS) was absurdly under-priced. Note: this basically means that the Big Banks (*not* Paulson) were throwing money left and right to the subprime lenders, blind to the risks.

      So he bought a lot of CDS, and when the bubble crashed, he profited massively. The End.

    46. Re:Why? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      Despite what the summary says, he didn't create the problem. He recognized it and took a position. He may not be a good guy, but it wasn't stealing.

      Too bad his "position" wasn't one of trying to help avoid/solve the problem rather than getting even more rich from exploiting it - a person with all his education, resources and such - but I guess the Wall Street mantra "I'm getting mine, fuck everyone else" was too strong for him. Maybe he didn't steal money (directly) but this kind of behavior is, let say, socioeconomic theft - unless he took those gains and did some actual good with it, did I miss something?

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    47. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No one is abusing social security if they are not breaking a law. "

      Ignorance at its finest. Why do you think they come up with new laws all the time? Hint: In many cases it's in reaction to them witnessing people abusing things. Your attitude assumes there could be no loopholes whatsoever. Are you in the financial engineering sector, btw?

    48. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting anonymously since I've been spending mod points, but why hasn't anyone modded this up more?! Terrifying... I had no idea.

    49. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should he be when he hasn't done anything illegal?

    50. Re:Why? by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      Insightful comment. I'm sorry about what happened to you. However, it sounds like you may have made a few bad decisions, because if you lost "14 years of savings" in your retirement plan, well, you were doing it wrong. Some rules:

      - Don't put value in pensions.
      - Don't hold too much stock in your employer; if you can buy it below market value, then sell most of it at market value as soon as you can and diversify right away.

      Finally, the job market has picked up now, and you probably shouldn't be working at a 25% salary cut anymore. I'd look into jumping ship or asking for a raise.

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    51. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eg, war profiteer. They don't start the wars (usually), but they do of course profit.

    52. Re:Why? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      He's nothing more than a common crook, peddling dream scams to the public

      AFAICT, he never sold mortgage backed securities. He went around for a couple years, telling people that mortgages were overpriced and the market was going to drop.

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    53. Re:Why? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The question is what is implied with that "he convinced the banks to create the securities that could bet against".

      The summary is wrong. The article nowhere says he convinced the banks to create any kind of security. He did, however, use securities that banks had already made.

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    54. Re:Why? by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

      The stock exchange isn't supposed to be a casino. It's supposed to be a place where you can buy and sell equity in other companies. Not a place to bet on outcomes of companies which you don't actually own.

    55. Re:Why? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      By default you are paying more than the "value" of an item. Otherwise they would not take the time to sell it. Now, value is what the person/business thinks the item is worth. Economics is not hard at the basic level. Should we jail the owner of your favorite local shop?

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    56. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it is reaction to them thinking something is being abused and wanting to push that opinion.

      In a free society, you are free to do whatever you want unless a law prohibits it. When a law is created, you are less free. It is that simple. Your opinion on someone else' behavior is just that, your personal opinion and nothing more.

      There are no loopholes whatsoever either. If a law doesn't cover a specific behavior or act that you think it should, then it is an improperly made law not a loophole. A loop hole is suggesting gaining privilege where there is none but the fact is that in a free society, unless a law stops you, you already have the privilege. If your government fails to revoke that privilege by law, it is your government's fault not the person doing the actions that they are free to do. And unless your government puts the intent into law, your opinion about what the law should cover is just that again, your opinion.

    57. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you "need" or "want" is irrelevant. The One Percenters have won. They rule, now and forever. The world belongs to them. You and me are only cogs in a machine that produces benefits for them, and we're about to be replaced. There's nothing we can do now, it's way too late. Let's get used to it.

    58. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering the number of folks that have gone to hail over the entire financial crisis, I'll put my trust in rope and pitchforks thank you. They're more effective. :|

    59. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're paying someone for specific advise and you purposefully give them bad advice to further your own interests that is fraud in many situations. Bad advice in and of itself isn't fraud, but knowing that it's bad advice and giving it out as good advice is often fraud. There's no question about it's morality, dishonesty morally wrong.

    60. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet somehow when they want to stick it to a peon, there's all kinds of charges available to "get them" with. But for rich fucks like Paulson, there's zero investigation, and the story is always "they didn't break any laws!". Convenient, that. Even more convenient are simple fools like yourself who believe and parrot this nonsense which spreads this rot around.

      How about a conspiracy charge, since he'd know that if this plan worked, the banks would be have to be bailed out at taxpayer expense, meaning his profits came off the backs of others not involved in the gamble. Yes, Virginia, there CAN be multiple parties to a crime, the banks are not the sole villain in this whole debacle, even though they are the primary.

      He's now just sharing the profits from his heist with his co-conspirator, Harvard.

    61. Re:Why? by stinerman · · Score: 1

      This.

      You don't get rich by working anymore. You get rich through carried interest and stashing worthless stock in a company you own in your IRA.

    62. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wanted to bet against the housing market, the banks took his bet, and he won. Many others who did the same thing mis-timed their move and lost. So why should he be in jail?

      Because many people reasonably think that those "bets" shouldn't be allowed at all, just like banks themselves should have never been allowed to trade the mortgages they underwrote, for reasons that your poor ethical standards prevent you from understanding.

      Mexican drug lords "win" money too, but that doesn't make them good guys. Actually they probably cause less damage to society than large parts of the financial industry, so there's no reason why the members of the latter shouldn't share the same jail time, or even more.

      The fact that your post received so many mod points makes me think that americans probably still haven't understood the lesson, and deserve another massive financial crisis, this time as big as in 1929, hopefully some million suicides too.

    63. Re:Why? by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      Such ignorance, masquerading as jaded sophistication.

      Just because you're a loser doesn't mean everyone is.

    64. Re: Why? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      The claim that the "one percenters" is a fixed group, passing wealth from generation to generation, is a fraud. As reported in the Jun 8, 2015 issue of Investor's Business Daily, between 60% and 72% of the Forbes 400 list change over a period of 32 years (not just individuals, families.) The same principle applies to the top 1% as applies to the top 400.

      Assuming a person is not manifestly mentally defective, anyone can achieve great wealth and power. People who are noxious, malignant, vicious, underhanded, and not particularly intelligent - like both of the Clintons, and both of the Obamas - can achieve wealth and power through dedication to scum-sucking politics. Good people can achieve wealth through continuous dedication to the goal of creating value and insisting on being paid for it. This fanatical dedication is seldom passed on to progeny: more energetic people replace them at the top.

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    65. Re:Why? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Your argument is that it's OK to torture your children if there is no law against it.

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    66. Re:Why? by khallow · · Score: 1

      But for rich fucks like Paulson, there's zero investigation, and the story is always "they didn't break any laws!". Convenient, that.

      It's true too. Which is why I said it.Truth trumps feelings as far as I'm concerned.

      How about a conspiracy charge, since he'd know that if this plan worked, the banks would be have to be bailed out at taxpayer expense, meaning his profits came off the backs of others not involved in the gamble.

      Conspiracy of what crime?

    67. Re:Why? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      Your argument is that it's OK to torture your children if there is no law against it.

      There is a difference between morality and legality. Actions may be legal while still being immoral. Punishment through the legal system should be limited to actions that are illegal.

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    68. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question is what is implied with that "he convinced the banks to create the securities that could bet against". That might be fraud or at least morally questionable.

      That's layman-speak for being a willing counterparty in the hedging of the said securities.

      Banks themselves don't like to take risks on any issuances, from vanilla bonds, stocks, stock options, and swaps to highly structured securities like MBS, ABS, PRDC, etc.. They would much rather make the market and keep a small spread (on a large notional of course.) The way this plays out is that the banks just sit there until an interested party A comes along as says,"hey, I want to take a position for/against X market/ f(X) derivative of market." Here X is an observable random variable and f(X) is a function of some rv. Once they have one side, they send out feelers called "reverse enquiries", looking for people who have a view A' contrary to A.

      Once both sides are found, the exact terms of contract are negotiated, written down in lawyer-speak, and actual money exchanges begin.

      As such, both A and A' can be said to be "convincing the banks to create the securities that could be bet against." The banks themselves can also be said to be encouraging it by being willing go-betweens. The government too. The regulator too. Everyone is in on it.

      But really, all these transactions do is make it possible for X to be more liquid. Imagine if people stopped taking bets on X. There would be no markets. When Xs are hugely traded upon standard quantities you get secondary markets like shares, options, bonds, and other standard stuff. When Xs are esoteric or represent larger underlyings than the retail investor can afford, they are traded via banks.

      All in all, no, Paulson didn't convince or encourage anything single-handedly. All he did was make himself available to be one side of a transaction.

    69. Re: Why? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Yes I get it - US Federal Government is evil - bring back the King!
      So now you've said your little political message from the 1700s can we return to the actual topic?

    70. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi did not just bet against some product that a bank was offering. He himself created the product for the bank (guess which one) in the way it was sure to fail, then the bank sold it to other actors on the market WITHOUT disclosing who created the product, and without disclosing that the creator of the product is betting against the product:
      http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-feds-vs-goldman-20100426?page=3

      Even business friendly SEC could not but rule that at least part of the deal was illegal:
      http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2010/2010-123.htm

      So, it would be like removing brakes from a car, then selling that car to a customer, then getting life insurance policy on that customer, and when he gets killed be proclaimed as a genious for "earning" money on that "deal".

    71. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I get it - US Federal Government is evil - bring back the King!

      Bringing back the King is what you advocate. And you're so stupid, you don't even realize it.

    72. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of those banks were also creating securities that they bet against as well...

    73. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it is probably because he did nothing wrong.

    74. Re:Why? by spongman · · Score: 1

      many countries temporarily banned naked short selling after the 2008 crisis, until they realized that it did more harm than good.

    75. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did he do something against the law?

      If you disagree with his tactics, then throw out the politicians who benefited from his actions and money.

      The two key politicians, Dodd and Frank retired and are living the good life, so are out of your reach.

    76. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There would still have been a recession and many people would still have been out of work, but those unemployed would have been the bankers and hedge fund managers who caused the problem rather than the innocent who ended up losing their jobs.
      Win/win instead of what happened.

    77. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because he committed no crime, as repugnant as the outcome became.

    78. Re:Why? by siliconsmiley · · Score: 1

      Because he made nearly $4 billion in 2007?

    79. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wanted to bet against the housing market, the banks took his bet, and he won. Many others who did the same thing mis-timed their move and lost. So why should he be in jail?

      Because the market isn't suppose to be a fucking casino.
      The guy stacked the fucking deck even in gambling this is illegal. If you want to gamble your money you are better off in a casino they have better house rules and they can't stack the deck on you.

    80. Re: Why? by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      Assuming a person is not manifestly mentally defective, anyone can achieve great wealth and power. Good people can achieve wealth through continuous dedication to the goal of creating value and insisting on being paid for it.

      Well, they can have a chance at it, granted, but there are lots of dedicated people who aren't wealthy.

    81. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try getting a regular poker game in with your friends, beat them regularly, and see how often they want to do it again, or whether they regard it as fair. I mean, it is fair, but see how they regard it.

    82. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wanted to bet against the housing market, the banks took his bet, and he won. Many others who did the same thing mis-timed their move and lost. So why should he be in jail?

      It's a valid point. Why are we allowing people to gamble away others' investments? We wouldn't let them play poker with that money, even though they can use strategy and analysis to improve their odds. So why do we allow the sale of lottery tickets with invested funds?

    83. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't heard such a self defeatist attitude like this in decades. Do you not pay taxes? You do realize the fact that he stole taxpayer money with this con. Please don't tell me you're one of those troglodytes that loves it when private entities rob the public.

    84. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone who agrees that this guy performed a "service" must also be thrilled about governments spying on every aspect of their citizens lives and building parallel construction schemes to imprison people in roundabout ways. It's the exact same logic; cheer on the oppressor and hope you don't get oppressed as hard as the people you sold out.

      The proper word for those kind of people is traitor.

  3. Harvard law school ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Formed in 1817 with the money bequeathed by slave master Isaac Royal. The more things change ...

    (To be fair, all the ivy league schools accumulated fortunes from slavery.)

    1. Re: Harvard law school ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone doesn't hate Harvard. We hate being screwed over by people whose parents paid for them to go to Harvard and who think that manipulating markets to their own advantage and ruining the economy fur their own gain is a God-given right.

    2. Re: Harvard law school ... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Everyone doesn't hate Harvard. We hate being screwed over by people whose parents paid for them to go to Harvard and who think that manipulating markets to their own advantage and ruining the economy fur their own gain is a God-given right.

      Yeah, those damn engineers screwing people over...

      I don't blame people for their parents being rich. I do blame parents who send their kids to expensive schools.

      If the overall level of engineering education rises as a result of this gift, great!
      We don't get to decide what others donate to. Bitch too much about their giving, and they'll just stop giving, and that's not an improvement.
      Have you willingly donated to a poorer engineering school lately?

    3. Re: Harvard law school ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Harvard known for engineering? There must not have been any significant Harvard engineers if they have to name their engineering building after a finance wrangler.

    4. Re:Harvard law school ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Cornell got it's money from the inventor of the telegraph line pulling machine and the state of NY and was founded at the end of the civil war. Do you even know which schools are in the Ivy League?

    5. Re:Harvard law school ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the inventor of extra apostrophes? Do they teach the difference between its and it's in Ivy League schools?

  4. Won't be seen a hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >I would have thought that Paulson would be a hero to market-following WSJ readers,

    What he did only profits the inner circles of the finance industry, while most "market-followers" get the short end of the stick. Of course he doesn't get much praise.

    1. Re:Won't be seen a hero by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

      What he did only profits the inner circles of the finance industry

      The reason you can't make the same bets Paulson can make is because "consumer protection laws" "protect" you from taking these kinds of risks. And make no mistake, Paulson's bets were very risky for him.

      Whether those consumer protection laws and regulations are a good thing or not depends on whether you're more concerned about gullible small investors gambling away their nestegg, or smart small investors being prevented from participating in potentially very lucrative investment opportunities. What is clear is that you can't have both strong protection and high returns for small investors.

  5. Couldn't Paulson have found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A struggling NBA team more worthy of his philanthropy?

    1. Re: Couldn't Paulson have found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As people should. But then where would slashdot be?

    2. Re: Couldn't Paulson have found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People should what? Hate black people or keep their opinions to themselves?

    3. Re: Couldn't Paulson have found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who hate anybody should keep their opinions to themselves and probably should be put in jail.

    4. Re: Couldn't Paulson have found by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Ooh, thoughtcrime. You believe that people should be jailed for the contents of their minds.

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    5. Re: Couldn't Paulson have found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not the thought, the physical act. Unprovoked disrespect is hate.

  6. Link summary wrong by amorsen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    convincing banks to create securities of sub-prime mortgages he could bet against

    The article does not say that he did that. Instead, the article says that the banks bought insurance against mortgage defaults (credit default swaps), and that prices of such insurance was very low. John Paulson decided the price was too low compared to the risk, so he bought a lot of the same insurance. When the mortgages started defaulting and prices for insurance went up, he sold the insurance on to the banks at a profit.

    If there had been a hundred John Paulsons out there, credit default swaps would have gone up in price much earlier, forcing the mortgage lenders to rein-in their subprime lending, thereby either defusing the crisis entirely or at least making it much less bad. Alas, there was only one, and he was good at not getting the word out, so not many copycats. John Paulson did everyone a service and should be rewarded, not punished. The people who lend out money to people who had no chance of paying back should be punished, not rewarded.

    Anyway, I have not read other articles about him, so maybe he does deserve his apparently terrible reputation.

    I am somewhat surprised that it has fallen to me to defend a 1%'er. This is not exactly my usual modus operandi.

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    1. Re:Link summary wrong by swb · · Score: 2

      Anyway, I have not read other articles about him, so maybe he does deserve his apparently terrible reputation.

      I am somewhat surprised that it has fallen to me to defend a 1%'er. This is not exactly my usual modus operandi.

      My usual gut instinct is to think that many Wall St. guys are just greedy assholes, rigging the system for more profit. But quite often once you think about the economics of what some of them have done, it's not always quite that simple. Many of them actually see the broken basic economics on an institutional level and actually end up exploiting nothing other than the institutional greed and myopia of Wall Street.

    2. Re:Link summary wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anybody who bought those should be in prison for insurance fraud. You can't take insurance on things you don't own specifically because of this kind of scenario. Insurance is supposed to be a 1:1 transaction. You get reimbursed once for your losses and nobody else does either.

      The reason why the credit default swaps caused that problem was specifically because there were multiple policies being sold on the same securities and nobody knew who owned what. Had it been a 1:1 deal it wouldn't have threatened to take the entire world's economy down.

      People like that belong in prison. Along with all the other criminals and swindlers.

    3. Re:Link summary wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Insurance," in this case, is a metaphor. You are so easily manipulated.

    4. Re:Link summary wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article does not say that he did that.

      Paulson did in fact do that. The Abacus deal was considered fairly controversial.

    5. Re:Link summary wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His point still stands. Hedging is just an insurance against adverse moves. There's nothing wrong with two trades going against each other in principle. You just earn less, but take on less risk too.

      However, if the paper is not based on fundamental values, it's basically fraud.
      Allowing people to bet on destruction of other people's values, property and lives create endemic systemic risk.
      So is continuing the practice of private banks, the type of banks that now has a proven track-record of incompetence and bad-intent while getting social welfare in the form of unsustainable bail-outs ("too big to fail").

    6. Re:Link summary wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... forcing the mortgage lenders to rein-in their sub-prime lending ...

      So we have 3 problems here:

      1. A mortgage asset is under-priced

      2. Mr Paulson AND Goldman-Sachs realize this. G-S also realizes the insurers have changed the rules in a grab for profits, under-pricing the asset even further. So G-S deliberately insures mortgages that are worthless and contributes to over-supply.

      3. There is such an over-supply of mortgage assets, the price of them or their insurance does not rise. So much money is now sunk into sub-prime loans, the only way to get money is via the the 'estimated' ROI. The mortgage assets default, creating a shortage of cash. Worse, the insurance pay-outs on mortgage defaults is now more than the original mortgages assets are worth.

    7. Re:Link summary wrong by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      convincing banks to create securities of sub-prime mortgages he could bet against

      The article does not say that he did that. Instead, the article says that the banks bought insurance against mortgage defaults (credit default swaps), and that prices of such insurance was very low. John Paulson decided the price was too low compared to the risk, so he bought a lot of the same insurance.

      Good summary of what happened. he bet against stupidity, and won. Now he gets to do what he wants with his money.

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    8. Re:Link summary wrong by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      My usual gut instinct is to think that many Wall St. guys are just greedy assholes

      They are greedy assholes. Even Adam Smith recognized that. The insight Smith had that greedy assholes actually produce beneficial outcomes for society.

      rigging the system for more profit

      "The system" is the set of laws, rules, and regulations that govern Wall Street. Greedy Wall Street assholes can try to rig these in their favor, but whether they succeed is ultimately only up to our elected officials. And that kind of "rigging" is usually sold to us as "financial regulation for the benefit of the little guy", when in fact it is the opposite.

      actually end up exploiting nothing other than the institutional greed and myopia of Wall Street

      And if government stopped insuring, bailing out, and subsidizing Wall Street, that "greed and myopia" would find a quick end because the people engaging in it would quickly run out of money.

    9. Re:Link summary wrong by epine · · Score: 1

      The insight Smith had that greedy assholes actually produce beneficial outcomes for society.

      Not if they can help it. When they can get away with it, they produce terrible outcomes for society. Ironically, it was a lot harder for them to get away with it before everyone started parroting Adam Smith for Dummies as tautological.

      Turns out Adam Smith's insight lacked an intriguing quality of meta-robustness. When you feed it back into the system as an assumption, as we started to do beginning with the Reagan–Thatcher–Greenspan–Rand cult, it ceases to remain valid.

      I sure hope the lesson for future chairmen and -women of the Fed is "trust, but verify". When you allow greedy assholes to have the run of a giant black box, pretty soon you find yourself underwriting a trillion dollars.

    10. Re:Link summary wrong by khallow · · Score: 1

      Anybody who bought those should be in prison for insurance fraud.

      There was nothing fraudulent about the transactions.

      You can't take insurance on things you don't own specifically because of this kind of scenario.

      Yes, you can. Fraud only occurs when you promise not to do that and then do it. When you didn't promise anything, then there is nothing to be fraudulent about.

      The reason why the credit default swaps caused that problem was specifically because there were multiple policies being sold on the same securities and nobody knew who owned what.

      No, it was the ability to borrow $50 on $1 collateral. The above behavior is a final warning sign that you need to get out of the market now. Risk blindness to the point of not even caring if you can show ownership is a bad sign.

    11. Re:Link summary wrong by khallow · · Score: 1

      Turns out Adam Smith's insight lacked an intriguing quality of meta-robustness. When you feed it back into the system as an assumption, as we started to do beginning with the Reaganâ"Thatcherâ"Greenspanâ"Rand cult, it ceases to remain valid.

      Or we could say that the above didn't happen. It's worth noting here that the "cult" resulted in the US picking up after the stagflation of the 70s to the point that Japan suddenly ceased to be a problem (you might recall the Japanese scare of the 80s when everyone was afraid that Japan would end up controlling the US or whatnot. When Japan had a recession and tepid recovery while the US grew substantially in the mid 90s (on top of good growth throughout the 80s), suddenly those fears went away.

    12. Re:Link summary wrong by khallow · · Score: 1

      However, if the paper is not based on fundamental values, it's basically fraud.

      "IF". How do we know what the paper is worth? The process by which a payout is determined is the fundamental value.

      Allowing people to bet on destruction of other people's values, property and lives create endemic systemic risk.

      It also reduces endemic systemic risk. How much it helps or harms depends on how big the stakes are. The thing to note here is that Paulson's stake never grew large enough that it was worth it for him to rig the odds.

      So is continuing the practice of private banks, the type of banks that now has a proven track-record of incompetence and bad-intent while getting social welfare in the form of unsustainable bail-outs ("too big to fail").

      The central banks also shared in this track record, let us note. I agree that the practice needs to end, but the use of the term, "private" indicates to me that you are missing important nuance, namely, the public parties that provide the bail outs.

    13. Re: Link summary wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like somebody that doesn't know what a credit default swap is or how they worked.

      There was rampant fraud throughout and nobody knew what they were buying, how they worked or who else was buying. We'll never know all of it.

      You can't time that. Even if you could it would be exceedingly risky. Nobody buying or selling them knew enough to trade them responsibly.

    14. Re:Link summary wrong by nickweller · · Score: 1

      "The article does not say that he did that. Instead, the article says that the banks bought insurance against mortgage defaults (credit default swaps), and that prices of such insurance was very low. John Paulson decided the price was too low compared to the risk, so he bought a lot of the same insurance."

      No he didn't, he went to the banks and 'persuaded' them to create a unique financial instrument in which he personally was the beneficiary rather than an institution. Nothing like it had existed up to that point.

      "Mr. Paulson .. outlined a sophisticated securities trade .. The bank would have to be convinced that a mere individual, as opposed to an institution, qualified to be a counterparty in such a transaction" ref

    15. Re:Link summary wrong by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      Turns out Adam Smith's insight lacked an intriguing quality of meta-robustness. When you feed it back into the system as an assumption, as we started to do beginning with the Reagan–Thatcher–Greenspan–Rand cult, it ceases to remain valid.

      Really? Can you construct a logical argument why it should lack "meta robustness"?

      When you allow greedy assholes to have the run of a giant black box, pretty soon you find yourself underwriting a trillion dollars.

      No, you find yourself underwriting a trillion dollars when you elect greedy assholes as politicians and give them unlimited powers to tax and regulate, on the theory that they will suddenly become humanitarians and spend trillions for your and my benefit.

    16. Re: Link summary wrong by khallow · · Score: 1

      Spoken like somebody that doesn't know what a credit default swap is or how they worked.

      Needless to say, I strongly disagree.

      There was rampant fraud throughout and nobody knew what they were buying, how they worked or who else was buying. We'll never know all of it.

      To correct my previous post, yes, there was fraud, but it wasn't in the securities themselves, but rather in an industry that had for a time ceased to care about such risks.

      You can't time that. Even if you could it would be exceedingly risky. Nobody buying or selling them knew enough to trade them responsibly.

      In the real world, when I read a story about lending so sloppy that no one could prove ownership of the loan afterward, I thought "welp, guess that bubble's going to burst soon." And thus, I called it.

      Risk blindness is key to understanding the behavior. Suppose you have a magic free lunch generator which generates rapid exponential growth of wealth. At some point, you just don't care if other people are sneaking little bits of your wealth or you aren't feeding the free lunch generator optimally. The effort to keep that theft, fraud, or whatever from happening is just not worth the bother. You can become risk blind to even large financial risks because well, losing even most of your wealth only requires a little time to make it back up.

      That explains the behavior we see in such affairs. The creation of loan securities was perceived to be the free lunch generator in the last bubble, but the pattern is near universal. Every other concern like whether people are embezzling money, becomes subordinate to feeding the amazing money making machine. Eventually, it gets bad enough that the media picks up on it. That's when the bubble nears collapse. It's not that some magic threshold has been met, but that the problems have become public and as a result the low information investors who are driving the bubble become aware of the problems.

      I can name similar behavior during many other bubbles. Fraud doesn't cause the bubble or make it collapse. But because the investors are so focused on getting rich, it becomes a ripe field for crime of all sorts. When that behavior becomes public, it indicates that problems have grown so big that they can't be swept under the rug. Eventually, panics follow and the eventual decline sets in. Then things reset until the conditions for a new bubble come about.

    17. Re:Link summary wrong by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      No, what was happening was that different people were buying the same gold brick.

      Anyway, the shameful part is that this income was hardly taxed. All our currency is tied up in this horrible shell game.

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    18. Re:Link summary wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also reduces endemic systemic risk.

      What the fuck are you talking about? "Endemic" and "systemic" are antonyms of one another, numbnuts.

    19. Re:Link summary wrong by ChrisMaple · · Score: 0

      The people who lend out money to people who had no chance of paying back should be punished, not rewarded.

      Their guilt is partial. The root of the problem, deliberate and malicious, goes to Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, and their accomplices and fellow-travelers, who wrote laws forcing banks to give loans to the incapable. This vote-buying scheme was done in the name of racial and economic equality, and (of course) did the most damage to those it was "intended" to help.

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    20. Re:Link summary wrong by khallow · · Score: 1

      "Endemic" and "systemic" are antonyms of one another

      No, they aren't. Read up on the definitions. I did when you brought that up. But my earlier understanding was correct.

  7. Incomprehensible... by Ashafter · · Score: 1

    This is article is completely incomprehensible. I have no idea what the author is trying to convey. Save this type of shit for Zero Hedge.

  8. Big endowment by Etherwalk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Big endowment schools are simply not the most effective place to donate. If you have a lot of money and it's really where you want to give--or more likely if you're trying to buy someone's way in--sure, nothing's stopping you from donating. But if your goal is improvement of almost anything, it's just dumb.

    Donate $1/year to keep up your alumni participation numbers, which influences the ratings of your school and the value of your degree. Aside from that, give someplace where the dollars are more effective.

    If you are going to give to a school, give to a school that does a lot of public interest work but has a low endowment-per-capita. (Georgetown Law comes to mind, for example--a law school with a strong public interest program and a small endowment per capita).

    If you are going to give to to another non-for-profit, look for direct aid dollars. Better yet, look at the Gates foundation or the like--the people who are spending billions and their life's fortune on this hire pretty good people to run it, aiming at maximizing long-term benefit. That is kind of awesome. Leverage their investment to direct your own. Picking a charity on your own is *hard*--too many are scams or mismanaged.

    1. Re:Big endowment by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Better yet, look at the Gates foundation or the like

      Yes, just look at the Gates foundation. Everything about it is wonderful. How quickly they forget that Bill Gates stole that money. Microsoft was convicted of abusing its monopoly position and general anticompetitive behavior. Then Bush's dog Ashcroft, in control of the DoJ, let them off with a warning. Not even a handslap. Microsoft is part of the evil that is buying and selling this country, and Bill Gates was chief presiding evil bastard. You really think he's changed? Guess what, the Gates Foundation is making money investing in things that kill people. It's not trying to make the world a better place. It's a tax dodge.

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    2. Re:Big endowment by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      Better yet, look at the Gates foundation or the like

      Yes, just look at the Gates foundation. Everything about it is wonderful. How quickly they forget that Bill Gates stole that money. Microsoft was convicted of abusing its monopoly position and general anticompetitive behavior. Then Bush's dog Ashcroft, in control of the DoJ, let them off with a warning. Not even a handslap. Microsoft is part of the evil that is buying and selling this country, and Bill Gates was chief presiding evil bastard. You really think he's changed? Guess what, the Gates Foundation is making money investing in things that kill people. It's not trying to make the world a better place. It's a tax dodge.

      Yes, you're very smart. Now stop reacting long enough to think.

      The question isn't where the money came from. The question is whether it is being used intelligently--in an attempt to improve major problems that need reform. When you are deciding where to donate your money, it doesn't matter whether you're leveraging it with money made by a warlord or money made by a church--what matters is that you're leveraging it effectively.

      The Gates foundation invests its current money until it spends it. That's normal. Could it have a more socially conscious investment policy? Sure. That's a policy choice, and there are strong reasons for and against.

      Stop looking for reasons to hate.

    3. Re:Big endowment by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The question isn't where the money came from.

      No, they are both valid questions. And the truth is that that money was stolen. This was proven in a court of law. Bill Gates' money fits the very definition of ill-gotten gains. If he had stolen orders of magnitude less money, he would have been imprisoned. But instead, TPTB saw a chance to lean on him and get him to do their bidding. He got let off the hook for his illegal behavior which not only deprived people of rightful income but which also set the industry back by years. Bill Gates is the closest thing the computing industry has to a super-villain.

      The question is whether it is being used intelligently

      The question is whether it should be his to use, and the answer is no.

      The question of whether the money is being used intelligently is answered differently depending on how you conceive of his goals. If it's to make the world a better place, no, the money is being used like shit. It should be placed in ethical investments, not necessarily those which produce the most profit. Remember, that is stolen money. It was produced through illegal activity.

      The Gates foundation invests its current money until it spends it. That's normal. Could it have a more socially conscious investment policy? Sure. That's a policy choice, and there are strong reasons for and against.

      Reasons for: greed.
      Reasons against: everything else.

      Stop apologizing for the immoral, unethical, and illegal actions of Bill Gates.

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    4. Re:Big endowment by metlin · · Score: 1

      But this comes down to your personal values.

      I think that Harvard attracts some of the the world's best and the brightest, especially in the sciences. While MIT has engineering and applied science departments, Harvard has pretty robust physical sciences and life sciences departments, and is trying to grow its engineering schools.

      To me, this is a good thing. And I am of the belief that the problems of humanity are going to be solved through science. As much as I would like to think that global warming could be addressed through policy, a technical solution that can cool down the planet would be much preferable (and realistic). Similarly, imagine cheap and easily available food sources, simple water purifiers, cures for AIDS and cancer, space flight and so on.

      The truth is, investing in the future of science and engineering at one of the world's top schools is one of the best investments one can ever make.

      If anything, Paulson should be lauded -- he is not throwing his money away at non-profits with fat bureaucratic administrations to address short-term solutions. He is investing in the future. The majority of the money will go towards equipment, paying faculty, and graduate students. How is this not a fantastic thing?

    5. Re:Big endowment by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Bill stole the money that Warren donated?

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    6. Re:Big endowment by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Big endowment schools are simply not the most effective place to donate. If you have a lot of money and it's really where you want to give--or more likely if you're trying to buy someone's way in--sure, nothing's stopping you from donating. But if your goal is improvement of almost anything, it's just dumb.

      Is this really about philanthropy at all? His donation bought him the name of the engineering department at Harvard. That was an extremely effective use of his money.

      "East Bumfuck Community College John A. Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences" doesn't have quite the same ring to it, even if it would help more people.

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    7. Re:Big endowment by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      The Gates foundation invests its current money until it spends it. That's normal. Could it have a more socially conscious investment policy? Sure. That's a policy choice, and there are strong reasons for and against.

      Reasons for: greed.
      Reasons against: everything else.

      Stop apologizing for the immoral, unethical, and illegal actions of Bill Gates.

      I'm not apologizing.

      Greed implies personal benefit. If you're making less socially conscious investment choices in order to get a higher return that you are using to save people's lives, it seems likely that you are saving more lives than you are harming--especially when dealing with a public company that is not going to shut down a plant because you don't invest. The real world isn't black and white, and sometimes doing something grey helps you in the process of improving the world. If saving the world were as simple as killing Ganondorf, people would be lining up. It's not.

    8. Re:Big endowment by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Greed implies personal benefit. If you're making less socially conscious investment choices in order to get a higher return that you are using to save people's lives, it seems likely that you are saving more lives than you are harming

      Do you remember when the article I cited was published? I do. I remember how the Gates Foundation published a press release saying that they were going to review their investments for ethical and moral implications. Then, literally the next day, they took it down and put up a new press release saying that reviewing investments for their impact was hard, and therefore they weren't going to bother.

      The real world isn't black and white, and sometimes doing something grey helps you in the process of improving the world.

      Or, they could invest in something else. There are good investments which don't directly kill people, like the one discussed in the article above. Last I heard, the foundation still hadn't divested themselves of investment in that particular firm, but I haven't checked up today. Maybe they're on to the next murderous investment.

      Or, you know, they could invest in things which are beneficial to people in the areas they claim to try to be helping. They don't have to invest in horrible things. That's just where the most profit is.

      If saving the world were as simple as killing Ganondorf, people would be lining up.

      Try it from Link's perspective sometime.

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    9. Re:Big endowment by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      an attempt to improve major problems that need reform

      It is not enough to (allegedly) attempt to improve major problems that need reform. The problems must be genuinely ameliorated or reduced. Take for example "Common Core" which was supposed to be a set of high educational standards, and became perverted (possibly with Gate's "help") into a program to indoctrinate worker bees.

      Charities must be watched continuously, carefully, and intelligently. Charities are just too tempting a target to those wishing to grab money or power.

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  9. Harvard is a red herring. by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And if you take that bait, you're a sap.

    The problem is that the banking system has been rigged in order to socialize risk. This guy exploited that fact, realized he made more money than an individual human being could possibly amuse himself with and decided to dispose of a big chunk of that were it might do a little good.

    People are shouting "Harvard! Harvard! Harvard!" because they don't want you to think about the rigged banking system. They'd rather focus any anti-elitist backlash on intellectuals.

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    1. Re:Harvard is a red herring. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Many folks saw the meltdown coming. The Economist got into a famous argument with Freddie and Fannie when in the mid-00's, they published articles about how the their lending was unsustainable, fraught with risk, and headed towards economic disaster.

      I would have loved to have done what Paulson did but I just do not know that people who have the capital to invest. Paulson did. And how did he meet those people and get the hedge fund job? By going to Harvard. Hedge Funds and others actively recruit from that school and folks who go their get opportunities handed to them that no matter how hard I work, I would never get.

      Harvard is the entry ticket into the get rich quick World of hedge funds and Wall Street.

    2. Re:Harvard is a red herring. by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thank you for saying what should be said. People don't JUST go to Harvard for an education and saying criticizing them is "intellectual bashing" is a backhanded compliment.

      The big reason to go to Harvard is because it's a fraternity of CEOs and you are connected. While a lot of people are convinced that's where the great minds come from -- well, the successful have heard that that's where the great minds come from because that's where they came from and obviously luck and the fact that their friends are billionaires had nothing to do with it, so they recruit from Harvard. And who can knock the positive attitude from people who just can't fail?

      It's a vicious circle of self-reinforcing success.

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    3. Re:Harvard is a red herring. by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, I went to MIT but have taken classes at Harvard, but not being a mind reader I guess I'm at a disadvantage here. All I have to go on is the people I've met there.

      There's no question that for certain fields like finance Harvard's a great headstart on networking. But for English, foreign major, science and social science majors the reason to go to Harvard is that it's a great school, and I can tell you from firsthand experience that some Harvard classes are every bit as tough as any of the classes I took at MIT.

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    4. Re:Harvard is a red herring. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where it might do a little good

      no. Harvard is garbage. Have you ever had a Harvard primadonna as a coworker?

    5. Re:Harvard is a red herring. by hey! · · Score: 1

      where it might do a little good

      no. Harvard is garbage. Have you ever had a Harvard primadonna as a coworker?

      No. I've had Harvard graduates as coworkers though. None of them happened to be prima donnas, although I'm sure it happens.

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    6. Re:Harvard is a red herring. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different universities offer different things. There's no doubt that MIT is a university that offers a genuinely great education, but people that come out of Harvard are more connected than they they are better informed on average.

      Now I'm not saying that smart people don't come out of places like Harvard of course, they do, but just as smart people also come out of universities in the 100+ global rankings range too. In contrast, universities like MIT produce an awful lot of incredibly smart people compared to their peers

      We have the exact same situation in the UK, our top two universities are Oxford and Cambridge, and whilst Cambridge churns out a disproportionately large amount of incredibly smart people, Oxford churns out people like Ed Balls, Jacqui Smith, and Phillip Hammond - all incredibly dumb people, but successful purely because of the connections Oxford built for them.

      Some top universities like your MITs and Cambridges offer connections because they genuinely do a great job of educating and have incredibly successful people as their alumni due to their good education. Others just offer connections and an education that isn't really any better than anywhere else because they're the designated connection farm of the rich - your Harvards and Oxfords.

      To be fair, in the UK, even the politicians recognise this - that's why there's been so much pressure over the last decade or two to increase the amount of intake from less privileged backgrounds at universities like Oxford. A push for greater plurality in society by allowing people to succeed whatever their background is perceived to be a worthwhile goal here, and although progress is astonishingly slow, there is progress at least all the same.

  10. Worlds biggest bank heist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A derivative, is necessarily is a zero sum, it's a bet, it pays out or it does not, but it just moves money from one place to another. That's all a derivative is.

    But what happened during the banking crisis was that the US Federal Reserve turned *FAILED* derivatives into cash by Quantitative Easing. Money was created from thin air, and assets were bought that had no value otherwise. Which had the effect of diluting the value represented by the dollar into more dollars. So people with real assets whose value was represented in dollars, lost part of their real assets.

    These extra dollars were handed out largely to a derivatives traders that would have otherwise lost money on these garbage sub-prime bets.

    So the worlds biggest bank heist was performed right in front out everyone's eyes and made billionaires of its participants.

    And Harvard is a little upset that it received a share of the bank heist? Oooo diddumms, fucking thieves.

  11. Re:/. is covering up this important story (LGBTQIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    LGBTQIA???

    Bro, you're gonna run out of letters pretty soon.

    Justy sayin'...

  12. Re:/. is covering up this important story (LGBTQIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, I get the Lettuce Bacon and Tomato bit, but the other letters have me confused. Quinua?

  13. I don't hate Harvard. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hate the useless spongers it creates.

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  14. Re:/. is covering up this important story (LGBTQIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right now, this is the biggest story in Geekdom that nobody is covering (except for Fox News, ironically).

    Really, if this is published it's gonna shake a whole lotta shit up. Big Time (tm).

  15. Re:/. is covering up this important story (LGBTQIA by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    It's pointless, uninteresting, completely outside of "news for nerds and stuff that matters"...

    Fits perfectly with /., I agree.

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  16. Jean-Luc Picard is a homophobe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic
  17. Don't give money to your alma mater. by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you went to a Harvard, a Stanford, an MIT or a Texas A&M, and you happen to end up with more money than you know what to do with, you might be inclined to give a big pile of it to the university that got you started. And while that's a noble sentiment, you shouldn't. These places will continue turning out talented graduates no matter how much money you give them: you should give your money to a less-well-endowed institution, so that a larger number of students can get the same educational opportunity you had. Maybe your spouse went to a small liberal arts college. Maybe there's a place right down the road from your mansion that could use your help. But MIT and Stanford don't need your money, and they won't do much good with it.

    A bit of data: Harvard's endowment amounts to $1.7 million per student. With a reasonable return on endowment investment, hey could quite literally abolish tuition forever if they wanted to. Just across the river is Boston University, a really excellent institution with a strong research focus and really great graduates, ranked #42 by US News. Its endowment per student is 1/25th of Harvard's.

    Donating money toward improving education is a worthy goal, but don't get sentimental. Put the money where it'll do the most good for the most people.

    (Full disclosure: I'm a professor at a liberal arts college whose endowment per student is mediocre at best.)

    1. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by InterGuru · · Score: 2

      Try your local community college to get the most educational bang for the buck.

    2. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by goodmanj · · Score: 2

      You'd think, but Texas A&M is in the top ten. Probably because a fair number of Texas oilmen are football fans.

    3. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by Alomex · · Score: 1

      they could quite literally abolish tuition forever if they wanted to.

      You know that essentially they have, right? You pay a much as you can reasonably afford.

    4. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot has apparently not discovered football... go UT!!!

    5. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Princeton, Harvard and Yale all now have policies that if you are accepted by the school, they will make sure you can afford it. No one who qualifies to attend those schools are turned away.

    6. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Actually A&M is a great STEMI University (albeit with it's main campus in the Middle of Fucking Nowhere). Excellent engineering, math, biology faculty and a world renown oceanography department. Socially it's a bit on the odd side, but you're either there to study, play football or learn how to shoot people.

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    7. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by goodmanj · · Score: 1

      ... and that's great news, for a couple hundred brilliant but poor kids. But these three schools can only do so much. Meanwhile, millions of other talented and deserving students can't afford to attend college at all, or can only attend underfunded schools with decaying equipment and underpaid professors teaching classes of 500.

    8. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and its his money to do with as he wishes.

    9. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Just across the river is Boston University, a really excellent institution with a strong research focus and really great graduates, ranked #42 by US News. Its endowment per student is 1/25th of Harvard's.

      Perhaps they should start turning out students capable of making large amounts of money, such their endowments grow faster.

    10. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by SuperBanana · · Score: 0

      A bit of data: Harvard's endowment amounts to $1.7 million per student. With a reasonable return on endowment investment, hey could quite literally abolish tuition forever if they wanted to.

      "Full disclosure: I'm a professor at a liberal arts college whose endowment per student is mediocre at best.

      Clearly not a professor of finance, math, etc. given you don't understand that investment income on the endowment is what the school uses to help with operating and capital expenses. You avoid at all costs spending the endowment; you spend some of the investment income. Or, to put it in simpler terms a "liberal arts professor" might understand: selling the cow instead of the milk has enormous long-term impact.

      Also, given Harvard is older than the United States (in fact, older than the Commonwealth of Massachusetts) - "forever" is a really strong word.

      Harvard has a huge number of full-boat scholarships and when the endowment tanked, none of the schools dropped their scholarship levels. Several raised them.

    11. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Or you could, perhaps, do both...

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    12. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Donating money toward improving education is a worthy goal, but don't get sentimental. Put the money where it'll do the most good for the most people.

      Yeah, nothing says selfless giving like having an organization change their name in your honor. He bought the name of a department at Harvard with his money. This is entirely about sentimentality.

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    13. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by stinerman · · Score: 1

      I can't help doing so. I went to a state school, and I pay state income tax.

    14. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by goodmanj · · Score: 2

      Wow, that was the most condescending post ever. Not only am I well aware of how an endowment is operated -- this is a regular topic of faculty meetings, for god's sake -- my earlier post did assume only investment income was spent. A 3.5% return on Harvard's 1.7 million per student endowment would give an annual income of $60,000, which is equal to Harvard's tuition plus room and board. Historical rates of return for the last couple centuries are significantly higher than 3.5%, which would likely allow Harvard to keep up with inflation in perpetuity.

      And by the way, I teach at a liberal arts college, but I teach physics. A liberal arts education is not the opposite of math and science: it's about creating well-rounded students who're strong in both humanities and the sciences. Since you've proven yourself incapable of either understanding a written argument or doing math, you clearly didn't get one.

      So crawl on back to your troll cave, you've got nothing to contribute to this discussion.

    15. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is partly a function of system vs. individual university endowments - there are 135k students in the A&M system and 215k in the UT one, so direct comparisons to peer universities are not apples to apples. On the other hand, it looks like they are respectable relative to other top public universities in terms of per capita endowments, which would not be the case if you averaged flagships and secondary campuses in most states.

    16. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by ksheff · · Score: 1

      Actually A&M is a great STEMI University (albeit with it's main campus in the Middle of Fucking Nowhere). Excellent engineering, math, biology faculty and a world renown oceanography department. Socially it's a bit on the odd side, but you're either there to study, play football or learn how to shoot people.

      That's why it's located where it is. If you have nothing better to do, you better just study and/or do the other two activities.

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    17. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Do you not understand that money is fungible, that there is no difference between a dollar spent on "operating and capital expenses" and a dollar spent on teachers' salaries?

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    18. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      That works for undergraduate education. It's not the way to pursue a lifetime of knowlege, though. But then, for your best bang for the buck, just watch Kahn's lectures online for free.

    19. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by Time_Ngler · · Score: 1

      Ha ha! (punches Marvin in the gut)

    20. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      awesome and fully justified take down

    21. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you should give your money to a less-well-endowed institution

      How about giving it to an actual non-profit charity? The idea of donating money to a for-profit institution in order to help others is laughable. (If it isn't blatantly obvious that universities are driven purely by money, then you are clearly asleep at the wheel.)

    22. Re:Don't give money to your alma mater. by goodmanj · · Score: 1

      Think of it as a very long term student loan.

  18. So let me get this straight... by DrVxD · · Score: 5, Funny

    Somebody who isn't giving $400 million to the poor is criticising somebody else who isn't giving $400 million to the poor for not giving $400 million to the poor?

    Ok - got it.

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    1. Re:So let me get this straight... by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, its like I tell my kids. You can do what you want, but you have the take the consequences. In this case one of the consequences is that people think he is a cunt.

    2. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      news for nerds

    3. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yup. you got that right.

      And missed the point.

      4 billion must come from somewhere - in this case, its the pockets of other people. Some of these were poor. Others were unwitting participants.

      Now people say watchdogs should be rewarded. This one ended up feasting on the village granary. Now, he tithes his booty to his wealthy personal diety.

      This all may be lawful, but there good reason for distaste.

    4. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and we think you're a cunt.

    5. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But had he given $400 million to the poor, it would have been pissed away in a year or two and the poor would be basically in the same situation as they are now. This will hopefully go to the education of future geeks. Yes, geeks that are rich enough to get into Harvard, but they're still geeks and will do something more useful with it in the long run.

    6. Re:So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is not very relevant if those people are wrong.

    7. Re:So let me get this straight... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      it doesn't make an ounce of difference to the geeks.

      harvard is business corporation effectively now and has something like 30 billion in the bank already, but you see them using that money to lower their tuition fees? fuck no.

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  19. WAGE GAP by fluffernutter · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Now I know where the wage gap comes from. It's growing from the excrement that Harvard shat out.
    Its time for quality education to go to kids that deserve it.

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    1. Re:WAGE GAP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wage gap comes from the already rich benefiting from increased productivity and efficiency through technology, while still maintaining the social model from the 18th century so the rest of us stagnate.

      And like the 18th century, people need to start building gallows and guillotines.

    2. Re:WAGE GAP by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Not really. The wage gap comes from the high unemployment rates and the glut of workers willing to replace you once you become more expensive than them. Yes, this is in part because of efficiency through technology and increased productivity, but it is also largely due to over regulation and competition with third world markets where costs in general will be cheaper all the way around.

      Gallows and guillotines will do nothing other than make you feel good while making it worse. There was an article about how Elon Musk's empire sucked billions in government subsidies and later articles about how all his competitors do it too. This should tell us something about how hard it is to do business in the US and how regulation is limiting it. If these road blocks were not in place, subsidies would not be needed, employment numbers would be a lot higher, and employee wages would be higher also. Minimum wage jobs would go back to being stepping stones for inexperienced workers like they used to be instead of career paths they are today. I understand fast food joints need workers over 18 to get around child labor laws, but flipping burgers and asking 'you want fries with that' should not be a career choice to aspire to. Sadly, that is what it has come to in many places- most of which relish all the road blocks in the way of business.

    3. Re:WAGE GAP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting billions from the government isn't being limited by regulation. You need to do more economic research. When companies get more money it becomes bonuses for their board. It never goes into hiring more people. Awhile ago Google made had company wide salary increase. That wasn't because they suddenly had more money, it was because competitors were grabbing its employees through better offers. Meaning Google had the money to pay those people more the entire time, but had chosen not to. Companies keep wages as low as they possibly can.

      Jobs are created by consumer demand. Give normal people more money so they can buy more. That creates more jobs.

    4. Re:WAGE GAP by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure we are talking about the same things or if I'm misinterpreting your comment. I think we are at the same points but you seem to think I'm wrong somehow.

      Your Google example proves my point. When Google employees had ample opportunity to go elsewhere, their salaries were raised to keep them. When unemployment is low, it has the same effect. In 1995, I was making $13 an hour rolling burritos because one : i was good at it but two: i could have gone a number of other places making more or similar wages and those places weren't limited to restaurants. This is because the unemployment rate in the area was lower than the national average by almost two points.

      And yes, subsidies go to bonuses and investors. Its what makes them willing to invest the money in the first place. If they do not get a decent return, they will invest their time, effort, and money somewhere else. If the costs of getting into and staying in business wasn't so high that the subsidies were needed, other businesses would/could open too.

      You would be surprised at how much demand is suppressed by costs being to high. You would also be surprised at how much pricing is influenced by lack of competition. Wal-Mart isn't so popular because it sells foreign made products, it's because they sell cheaper products.

    5. Re:WAGE GAP by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Google is an exception to the rule. In most cases, if a company is losing people like Google was, they would just say 'screw it' and go offshore. Cheaper employment only available because other countries are willing to treat their citizens like filth.

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    6. Re:WAGE GAP by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Lol.. ok .

      I see that you have something stuck in your head and no amount of rationality will change it. Here is a hint, it is already cheaper almost all the way around to open companies off shore. But let's ignore that and attack companies and make it even more expensive to locate in the US . And while we are at it, we will have something to cry about while the government taxes you in order to subsidize a select few winners and wages further stagnate. Maybe if we are lucky, those off shore havens will make the costs of doing business more expensive and they might come back. FFS, that sounds like our foreign policy - lead from behind - so far behind it doesn't look like leading at all.

    7. Re:WAGE GAP by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Personally I think if companies want to be associated with oppressive regimes, they should probably leave. CEOs, executives, board members, all of them can see what it is like to live in the country that they want to import desperate labor from.

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    8. Re:WAGE GAP by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Well, i think the better alternative is to make it easier to start businesses and stay in business and keep Americans employed. I guess we don't agree.

    9. Re:WAGE GAP by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Either way, Americans won't be employed. I just don't want American living conditions to devolve to the point that we might as well be in India. To me it's seeming very much like America was just a big ruse to build empires for the 1%. Now that they are built, we are seeing that hard working people do not get ahead.

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    10. Re:WAGE GAP by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Of course you do not get ahead. You make it too expensive to do so.

      Well, some still get ahead. They know something you don't i guess. But keep on the path you are trekking down. I would hate to see your worldview shattered and your beliefs overturned. Perhaps they will raise minimum wage and you will get ima raise or something.

  20. Universities are a cult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Full stop.

  21. Fuck US Customs and TSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They seized my haggis I bought in the UK when I re-entered through New York.

    I was going to eat this with my family but US Customs ruined this.

    There's no good haggis in the US.

    Fuck you, TSA and US Customs.
     

    1. Re:Fuck US Customs and TSA... by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      If you've got some bitcoin you can probably get some smuggled haggis on tor.

    2. Re:Fuck US Customs and TSA... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I am all about personal choice and freedoms. I, too, would have taken your haggis. I have tried haggis, it probably should be illegal in any first world country.

      I kid... Mostly.

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  22. Re:/. is covering up this important story (LGBTQIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The non-heterosexual community loves inventing new words. It allows them to easily identify outsiders. Originally, it was just "Gay", then "LGB", then "LGBT", then "LGBTQ", and now "LGBTQIA". They fabricated a distinction between the words "gender" and "sex". They invented the word "cisgender" in the 1990s, and started using it widely in 2007.

    If you don't use their terminology, they might accuse you of being a bigot. For example, many of them consider the word "transvestite" to be derogotory. This practice is supported by their post-structuralist philosophy, which is founded on the belief that "The author's intended meaning is secondary to the meaning that the reader perceives." And it is difficult for an author outside their community to predict what meaning will be perceived, because the meanings are constantly changing.

  23. It doesn't work that way by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Many of them actually see the broken basic economics on an institutional level and actually end up exploiting nothing other than the institutional greed and myopia of Wall Street.

    What? No. It doesn't work that way. When the Wall Streeters exploit someone and make money, other people have to suffer. It's a negative-sum game when we let them play at all.

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    1. Re:It doesn't work that way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? When I sell stock to raise capital, my new employees suffer because I now have the cash to grow the business? When you contribute to your union retirement fund, you lose because the fund managers grow the fund so that you have money in retirement? I'm pretty sure both of those are "very good things" for the economy.

    2. Re:It doesn't work that way by khallow · · Score: 1

      What? No. It doesn't work that way. When the Wall Streeters exploit someone and make money, other people have to suffer. It's a negative-sum game when we let them play at all.

      Except, of course, for the many situations when that isn't true. Wall Street businesses are like used car salesmen. You have to do your homework. But if you do so, then they can be worth the trouble.

    3. Re:It doesn't work that way by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Except, of course, for the many situations when that isn't true. Wall Street businesses are like used car salesmen.

      What, even if they don't fuck you over, they'll still try to fuck over the next guy?

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    4. Re:It doesn't work that way by khallow · · Score: 1

      What, even if they don't fuck you over, they'll still try to fuck over the next guy?

      And your point is? It doesn't take a lot of experience with stock trading to lose the naivety that makes you a sucker.

  24. Re:/. is covering up this important story (LGBTQIA by Attack+DAWWG · · Score: 1

    Wow, you sure pay a lot of attention to these groups.

  25. Re:/. is covering up this important story (LGBTQIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "They fabricated a distinction between the words "gender" and "sex". "

    Yeah, I remember when they meant the same thing and I bragged about how much gender I got on the weekend.

    "derogotory."

    Ooooooh, you're an illiterate idiot. My mistake.

  26. or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...its his money to do with what he wishes?

  27. Everyone hates the 1% by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    and their ruling class. Harvard is just where their kids go to school.

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    1. Re:Everyone hates the 1% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't hate the ruling class. Not everyone is fuelled by jealousy.

  28. Harvard needs an engineering school by jclaer · · Score: 1

    Now they don't have one. What's wrong with this?

    1. Re:Harvard needs an engineering school by haus · · Score: 1

      If only the Cambridge, MA area had an acceptable engineering school....

  29. No, Not Everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You blind haters haven't the slightest idea what you're saying. Large gifts to schools help pay tuition for the vast numbers of intelligent, ambitious students who don't have rich parents. Harvard has one of the most diverse array of students I've ever seen.

    So who is going to solve problems, scholars or haters?

    1. Re:No, Not Everyone by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The schools are wasting money by the barrel, made possible by outrageous tuition prices.

      In 1968, a student could have gone to MIT, and paid room and board and tuition with the proceeds of a job as a full-time cashier, stockboy, or waiter. This is no longer even remotely possible. The additional money is going somewhere, and it's not likely that economy is a high priority.

      If a school is wasting money, you should not help it waste money by sending your money to it.

      Any school not wasting money should not be charging so much that a single student cannot work his way through school. (Economy and effort is expected of the student also: if he's in bull sessions or drinking beer or partying on weekends, he's not trying hard enough.)

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  30. Re:/. is covering up this important story (LGBTQIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I thought Queer was a derogatory word.
    I still don't get the IA part
    Unless its Illegal Aliens

  31. Re:/. is covering up this important story (LGBTQIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "They fabricated a distinction between the words "gender" and "sex". "

    Yeah, I remember when they meant the same thing and I bragged about how much gender I got on the weekend.

    According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the first use of "gender" to mean "The state of being male or female as expressed by social or cultural distinctions and differences, rather than biological ones" was in 1945 in the American Journal of Psychology. Before then, the words "gender" and "sex" were synonyms. And in fact, from 1382 to 1694 the word "gender" was used to mean "To copulate".

  32. non-notable chair of expelled air by epine · · Score: 1

    I take a lot of notes in my own personal wiki. For general knowledge subjects, I often copy a few paragraphs from the Wikipedia lead, and then trim it down to just the bits I care to remember.

    There's a few things that I almost always redact from articles concerning people: Day and month of birth. Nobility and rank. (Even FRS.) These blatantly elitist and self-promotional Seminal J. J. Tractatus or Timothy Erasamus Highbrow or Jagadish Q. Deepocket professorships. (I even trim mention of the Lucasian Chair of Mathematics.) If I named my toenail clippings, it wouldn't pass notability in Wikipedia. Why then do the names of these blasted chairs pass notability? It's not obvious to me.

    I would seriously propose making the display of these ridiculous named professorships a user preference, so that for those of us who choose to unclick the Ivy League Liberace flag, the article just says that Donald Merlin is a professor of psychology at Harvard University, or something plain-spoken and useful of that general nature.

    Those who actually work at a university and don't wish to make a career-limiting faux pas by not knowing this vital data or who harbour strange dreams of becoming a named chair themselves can leave their Ivy League Liberace flags alone.

    (My apologies to Liberace, who never once—so far as I know—actually named the piano bench he perched upon.)

  33. Petty and wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It came down to helping the poor or giving the world's richest university $400 mil it doesn't need.

    Nonsense. With $4 billion, he could have done both.

  34. Horsemen of the Economicalypse by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 0

    Who cares who is spawned from where... the Lawyers of MIT, engineers of Harvard, oil barons from Berkeley, nuclear physicists from Julliard or shoe-makers from Oxford... oh futz, all this bickering is just a proxy war between the Four Horsemen of the Economicalypse. Their cycles reflect the luminance and lunacy of the Moon.

    1. The Anarchist/ Free Trade Absolutist (new moon)
    2. The Keynesian (waxing)
    3. The Oligarchy/Thin Veneer of Government, no link offered for my own protection (full moon)
    4. The Austrian (waning)

    We are now in a latter phase of waxing gibbous that has gone on for quite awhile. Our politicians are spineless and scripted, vetted faux-choices are the only ones presented, economies have merged and inflated to the degree that a world war is the most likely 'correction' with any historical precedent. The only choice available to us may be Hobson's, because the 'Status Quo' is unraveling in countless tiny (almost holographic) ways.

    I see trees of green, red roses, too, I see them bloom, for me and you, And I think to myself, What a wonderful world. I see skies of blue, and clouds of white, The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night, And I think to myself, What a wonderful world. The colors of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky, Are also on the faces of people going by. I see friends shaking hands, saying "How do you do?" They're really saying, "I love you." I hear babies cryin'. I watch them grow. They'll learn much more than I'll ever know, And I think to myself, What a wonderful world. Yes, I think to myself, What a wonderful world

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  35. "Paid shills"? Sigh... by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Wow, look at all the paid shills...

    If you think anyone in the finance industry gives a rat's ass about rantings on slashdot then you are delusional. Go ahead and vent - I might even agree with you. But let's not pretend what we say here has much consequence in the real world.

  36. Partial Truth by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He didn't con an old lady out of her savings; he made a bet with banks and other investors who should have known better.

    Not entirely correct. If he is the architect behind the subprime mortgages then he did not directly con an old lady out of her savings but his actions indirectly wiped half the value off those savings. He deliberately designed an extremely risky investment vehicle to look to the banks like a low risk, high return investment and they did not spot the trick. It might have been entirely legal but it bears all the hall marks of a con and in such a case, while the mark takes some blame for letting their greed overcome their common sense, the person who devised the con takes most of the blame.

    1. Re:Partial Truth by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He IS NOT the 'architect behind the subprime mortgages'. He saw that the banks were creating an unholy, likely illegal (but the SEC didn't appear to care EVEN THOUGH HE WENT TO THEM SEVERAL TIMES TO DISCUSS WHAT WAS GOING ON) and then basically decided to short them. He took enormous risks doing so. The only con were the big banks who blissfully didn't care what the hell they were packaging up as long as they could sell it.

      There are a number of books on the subject. The big banks carefully held the wool over their eyes. They reaped billions and got their wrists slapped.

      Paulson isn't exactly a 'nice' guy. They don't make them on Wall Street, but he worked legally within the system. The banks, arguably not so much.

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    2. Re:Partial Truth by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative
      If he is the architect behind the subprime mortgages

      He isn't. He told everyone that the subprime mortgages were worthless, then put his money where his mouth was. He shorted the market and got rich.

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    3. Re:Partial Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If he is..."
      He isn't. You should delete everything you wrote after that.

    4. Re: Partial Truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that. Criticizing a prominent member of the Ruling Elite, especially on a public forum, is unwise. You should all be aware that people like him have absolute control over our lives. You don't antagonize gods.

    5. Re:Partial Truth by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Can you link me to anywhere he went to the SEC several times to warn about subprime mortgages? I read the article (I know, I know, I'll delete my account...) and the only thing I saw about the SEC was a concern he had that Bear Stearns was investigating a potentially rule breaking endeavor to prop up individual mortgages to forestall a crash.

      But as his gains piled up, Mr. Paulson fretted that his trades might yet go bad. Based on accounts of barroom talk and other chatter by a Bear Stearns trader, he became convinced that Bear Stearns and some other firms planned to try to prop the market for mortgage-backed securities by buying individual mortgages.

      Adding to his suspicions, he heard that Bear Stearns had asked an industry group to codify the right of an underwriter to modify or buy out a faltering pool of loans on which a mortgage security was based. Mr. Paulson claimed this would "give cover to market manipulation." He hired former Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Harvey Pitt to spread the word about this alleged threat.

      No one was acting altruistically here. While Bear Stearns' actions may have forestalled a crash, the crash itself would be inevitable, and in the meantime Bear Sterns would continue to profit while Paulson would not yet reap his rewards. Alerting the SEC (I'm not sure he even actually did anything formally. I think word was passed around and BS was all "no, no, we weren't actually going to do this...") wouldn't have saved the market, and was primarily intended to allow Paulson to profit before situations changed making his bets less profitable or allowing others time to figure out what he had and drive up his costs.

      From what I can see, he acted amorally.

      1) He didn't create the situation (which would be immoral).

      2) He didn't try to stop the situation (Doing so would be altruistic, and a morally positive action, but failure to act is a contentious issue in moral philosophy and turns frequently on minutiae. His hence failure to act, assuming that's what he did, is not a moral issue).

      3) He made his bet, put his money where is mouth was, and profited from the collapse of the immoral actions of others. And his profits came from the banks, not from homeowners, so losses were inflicted (by him) only on the ones acting immorally in the first place.

      4) Afterwards he expressed "concern for homeowners" and increased his charitable contributions. But his contributions were a pittance compared to his profits. This is likely PR, and regardless, morally neutral. Very few moral frameworks require one to give away significant portions of their possessions.

      So, I'd say in this action, he was neither a good guy nor a bad guy. Just a guy.

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  37. Harvard engineering by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is Harvard known for engineering?

    Short answer is yes. They have a rather distinguished list of alumni. Some of the ones people here might know of include Bob Metcalf (inventor of ethernet), Dennis Ritchie (inventor of C), Fred Brooks (director of development for OS/360), Steve Balmer (yeah I know), Trip Hawkins (founder of Electronic Arts) and Bill Gates (didn't graduate but attended and yeah I know...)

    Harvard engineering might not be on the level with MIT but it doesn't suck.

    1. Re:Harvard engineering by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Some of the ones people here might know of include Bob Metcalf (inventor of ethernet), Dennis Ritchie (inventor of C), Fred Brooks (director of development for OS/360), Steve Balmer (yeah I know), Trip Hawkins (founder of Electronic Arts) and Bill Gates

      If it weren't for Metcalf and Ritchie, I know for sure that I'd rather they didn't exist.

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  38. Are you sure it's hated and not JEALOUSY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember back in high school and university I used to hate the jocks. A bunch of shallow, no good idiots. Now, 20 years later, I've realized that my hate for them wasn't actually hate at all. It was jealousy that they were getting all the hot chicks and everyone worshiped them. I, and probably most of the other "losers" too, only "hated" them out of jealously.

    Probably the same for those who knock Harvard or the 1%. They wish they too were born with the skills, visions, ambition, or familial connections to become members of these groups. Rather than blame themselves for their failures or bad luck, they attack the successful folks, calling them corrupt, deceiving, or evil. In reality though, most people, if given the chance to be in one of these groups, would accept the chance hands down.

    So, to rephrase the question, do people really hate Harvard or are they just jealous of the success that Harvard and its grads achieve?

    1. Re:Are you sure it's hated and not JEALOUSY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take your "they're just jealous!" argument back to elementary school, where it belongs and come back when you have something a few years more mature.

  39. Capitalism is like nuclear power by sjbe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They are greedy assholes. Even Adam Smith recognized that. The insight Smith had that greedy assholes actually produce beneficial outcomes for society.

    Think of capitalism a bit like nuclear power. Capitalism is all about harnessing greed to the benefit of society. Unmanaged or poorly managed it results in a catastrophic meltdown to the detriment of all. With the right controls in place and good oversight (but not too much) it can be a hugely powerful force for good. This requires sensible rules fairly enforced. Too few rules and the meltdown occurs (see 2008 financial crisis). Too many rules and you don't get much benefit because nothing happens (the reaction shuts down). If things get too hot or a problem occurs you institute rules (like control rods) to throttle down the reaction before it blows.

    1. Re:Capitalism is like nuclear power by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 0

      Think of capitalism a bit like nuclear power

      Just because you think of it as an out-of-control chain reaction doesn't make it so. In fact, free markets are exactly the opposite: market mechanisms give you negative feedback, not positive feedback.

      With the right controls in place and good oversight (but not too much) it can be a hugely powerful force for good. This requires sensible rules fairly enforced.

      As Milton Friedman put it, your fallacy is that you assume that "government is a way that you put unselfish and un-greedy men in charge of selfish and greedy men." Obviously, that can't work: if government gets the power, then selfish and greedy men will go into government, which is exactly what we are seeing. And that is far worse than having the selfish and greedy men operate in a free market: in a free market, you can choose not to do business with them, once they are in charge of government, they send people with guns to your door to make you do business with them and their cronies.

      Too few rules and the meltdown occurs (see 2008 financial crisis).

      Financial markets were heavily regulated even in 2008; the idea that the cause of the "financial crisis" was lack of regulation is ludicrous.

    2. Re:Capitalism is like nuclear power by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Can you try a car analogy please?

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    3. Re:Capitalism is like nuclear power by trout007 · · Score: 1

      Capitalism has nothing to do with harnessing greed.

      If you want to try an engineering analogy think of Economic systems as Control Systems linking allocation of resources and production to what consumers want. Capitalism is the best system because it has feedback in the form of proftis and loses. Entrepreneurs take an educated guess as to what people want and how to arrange resources to meet that demand. Freely set prices let them (and the rest of the market) know if it's a good idea (profits) or bad idea (loses). If you make loses it means you are not using resources efficiently and those resources are freed up. If you make profits it means you are doing a good job and you get more resources to work with. If you make "Outragous" profits this gets the markets attention and other people will move into your market driving down profits towards an economy wide average.

      Every regulation and political policy that gets in the way of this process makes things worse. Central planning by definition means overriding consumers choices and makes things worse.

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  40. High finance - a gigantic shell game .. by nickweller · · Score: 1

    High finance -> a gigantic shell game designed to fleece reveneue out of the mugs .. err I mean 'investors'.

    "Asset-backed credit default swaps are structured differently from other credit default swaps due to the nature of the instrument being hedged. For example, since many asset-backed securities amortize and pay monthly, the credit default swap will more closely match these features. The most widely used ABCDS transactions cover U.S. subprime mortgage tranches of mortgage securitizations"

    Amd before you say it, yea, and it was all those liberals in the Clinton administration that caused the subprime crisis, mainly through selling mortgage to poor people and negros :)

  41. Quite interesting comments by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

    I'm far from propertied, but I'm sorry to say the majority of the rants in here smack of bitter jealousy. You have one vote, and short of beheading those in power, you're going to have to make the best of it.

    1. Re:Quite interesting comments by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You have one vote,

      Hahahahahaha. Who told you that? You're not even guaranteed that.

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  42. Could have bought a country.... by CopingStrategy · · Score: 1

    Wow, he could have asked Greece to change the name of their country instead if he paid off their €300 million default to the IMF. He would have won a lot more adulation from most of the country for that. This world is so unbalanced it is literally insane.

    1. Re:Could have bought a country.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Wow, he could have asked Greece to change the name of their country instead if he paid off their €300 million default to the IMF.

      Fuck the IMF sideways. You can't make the world a better place by giving them money.

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    2. Re:Could have bought a country.... by CopingStrategy · · Score: 1



      <p>Fuck the IMF sideways. You can't make the world a better place by giving them money.</p></quote>

      Yep, all you're really doing is perpetuating an outdated and extremely prejudiced system. The amounts that mostly poor countries 'owe ' is another sign of the stranglehold of what's now called 'neo-liberalism', new name, same old shit.
      http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/jun/05/history-of-countries-with-overdue-imf-repayments-greece

  43. If it wasn't clear before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It wasn't clear to me before if Paulson was part of the crooked American establishment (he might have just been some smart or lucky guy), but after a $400 million donation to Harvard, it is now. This is quid pro quo to the establishment that he is part of.

    btw, if you don't already know, the ups and downs of the economy are created by the central bank injecting and withdrawing money from the economy.

    Here's the smoking gun of charts (Federal Reserve holdings of treasuries): https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TREAST
    They started vacuuming up the money supply before the end of 2007, and then juiced the economy from 2009, and every time they stop the economy falters and people debate whether it's another recession. They _choose_ if there is going to be a recession.

    If the people making these decisions are your friends, then you know exactly what the market will do. It is not enough to say that sub-prime mortgages or anything else is overvalued (to successfully short the broad market), because it could keep becoming even more overvalued for years to come if they keep injecting money. You have to know what decisions are going to be made going forward for shorting the broad market to be anything other than gambling.

    "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." -- Henry Ford

    1. Re:If it wasn't clear before... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      What you say is half true. Low interest rates ("free money", "juiced the economy"), have been notoriously ineffective in this "recovery", due to increased regulation and erratic (and hostile) leadership creating an unfavorable business environment. Early in the low interest rate period the common observation was "pushing on a rope".

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  44. Even free markets need some rules by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Just because you think of it as an out-of-control chain reaction doesn't make it so. In fact, free markets are exactly the opposite: market mechanisms give you negative feedback, not positive feedback.

    Please point out a single example of an unregulated free market that has never collapsed.

    As Milton Friedman put it, your fallacy is that you assume that "government is a way that you put unselfish and un-greedy men in charge of selfish and greedy men."

    You must be a conservative if you are quoting Friedman. Your fallacy is that you assume greedy men will work to the benefit of society when unconstrained by rule of law. I have centuries of evidence on my side that illustrates the fallacy of that notion. A reasonable amount of regulation is necessary for markets to function. As I said previously there can be too much regulation just as there can be too little. The trick is finding that spot where you have just enough to keep things moving in a positive direction.

    Financial markets were heavily regulated even in 2008; the idea that the cause of the "financial crisis" was lack of regulation is ludicrous.

    As someone who actually has worked in the finance industry you could not be more wrong. The cause of the meltdown was poorly regulated derivative financial instruments. People leveraged derivative contracts with huge counter-party risk without oversight well beyond what was prudent. Market forces were unable to keep the markets working because the regulation hadn't caught up to the state of financial practices. What regulations were in place were for problems other than the one that actually occurred. The "fixes" put in place after the fact probably still haven't appropriately addressed the problems. Markets are not magic and they need some amount of rules to actually function.

    1. Re:Even free markets need some rules by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 0

      Please point out a single example of an unregulated free market that has never collapsed.

      What you call a "collapse" is more properly called a "correction". They are a normal part of markets. If you try to prevent them via regulation, they'll only get worse when they happen. And if you try to soften them via bailouts, you only end up engaging in crony capitalism.

      You must be a conservative if you are quoting Friedman.

      Irrelevant ad hominem. Friedman's analysis is correct.

      Your fallacy is that you assume greedy men will work to the benefit of society when unconstrained by rule of law.

      Not at all. I'm assuming greedy men will work for their own benefit. In a free market, that results in benefits to society. In a government regulated market, it usually results in crony capitalism and rent seeking.

      As someone who actually has worked in the finance industry you could not be more wrong.

      And thereby you illustrate my general point that the financial industry was full of incompetent people who shouldn't have been there. Since you use the past tense, I assume that has been corrected in your case.

      The cause of the meltdown was poorly regulated derivative financial instruments

      Corrections don't have any "causes"; markets are stochastic and chaotic systems and corrections are unavoidable. The fact that the magnitude was so large, however, was the result of just the kinds of regulations you advocate, namely regulations to try to prevent corrections. The more you try to prevent these corrections through regulations, the worse they will be when they do happen.

      See, markets aren't like nuclear reactions (runaway positive feedback), they are more like earth quake faults: they build up tension that needs to get released. And the longer the tension builds, the more destructive the release.

      Markets are not magic and they need some amount of rules to actually function.

      Indeed they do need rules to function. Those rules just shouldn't be set by politicians.

  45. Harvard is NOT evil! by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

    When Harvard scientists do something cool, everyone thinks that's great. When someone gives them money so they can keep doing cool things, that's evil? Come on people! Harvard is mainly a research university. That's doubly true for the engineering school. This money will be used to hire world class researchers and give them world class facilities so they can do great work. I'd think Slashdotters would appreciate that.

    If you think Paulson is evil, fine. I won't argue it. But giving money to Harvard is not one of his evil acts.

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  46. Fascinating he selected engineering by Beeftopia · · Score: 1

    Paulson has no engineering background. His Harvard time was at its business school.

    Yet - instead of encouraging more "financial engineering" or business education, he selects the engineering school. Why I wonder? To avoid creating more competition? Maybe he realizes engineering is the thing that actually creates the real value in society? Other?

    I found the selection of the engineering school intriguing.

    1. Re:Fascinating he selected engineering by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Just trolling real engineers, I guess.

      * I hate the term "financial engineering". Engineers often operate in the public trust, work with the laws of physics, and are held accountable for their work. Financial schemers are just making money from money playing by their own rules, plan from the start to go in take a bit off the top and get out before their financial instrument collapses.

      * Yes, some of the math is the same, and it's sad to see some of the brightest people from school run off into finance and go do calculus for banks so they can multiply imaginary money into the economy instead of doing something more modest and practical that only merely adds real money to the economy.

      * Scholarships for the engineering school means less competition in the finance sector, so he can stay on top of his game. And yet still show the engineers feeding on hi scholarship who their master is.

      Gee that came out kinda bitter. I should probably start hanging out with more investment bankers to try to humanize them a bit. (ha!)

  47. Bets on a fixed fight don't make you a good guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Posting anonymously b/c of mod points, but it sounds like he wasn't exactly a good guy. (My username is captnjohnny1618.)

    http://www.deepcapture.com/201...

    Yes, he did be against the overvaluation of the market. The shifty thing though is that he utilized resources that nearly 100% of people didn't have access to and ultimately designed a financial object that was certainly going to fail, ensuring a huge return on his investment. Instead of calling attention and trying to fix this major major problem that would have an effect not just on our economy and our people, but economies and people around the world, he decided to take advantage of it and make a huge amount of money at the expense of millions. (If he had done that, while at the same time making a huge amount of noise about the ways he saw the economy about to fail, this would be a different conversation).

    A comparable situation in our field would be a computer person ("hacker") with significant inroads to some big chip maker (Intel let's say) identifies a weak point in the chip design exposing some hugely powerful zero day attack. He helps designs a complex "fix" that ultimately looks like it will solve the issue, yet doesn't even come close, and starts selling that to the chip company for a few millions of dollars. The complexity of it helps to obscure (for a spell) the reality that it is actually a worthless patch, and he has maintained enough separation from the issue to deny at least some of the responsibility. Selling this makes a lot of money for a lot of people, but this guys waits a little longer to cash in for himself.

    Where it really gets shifty is that this guy knows that the fix is going to fail and it's only a matter of time, so he starts betting on the fix failing (in reality, he starts "hedging" on it, which is complicated and I don't understand all of its intricacies). Lots of it. So when the fix fails, as he knew it would and maybe even planned it to, he gets to cash in, and look like one of the smart ones who saw it coming.

    In reality he saw it coming because he had a big hand in creating it.

    Now in IT/CS/etc. we call that guy a huge dick for not telling the rest of the world about the problem and letting the free software community try and come up with a fix. If he had even remotely tried to peddle his BS fix, it would've been noticed and obvious, and people would accuse him of attempted fraud. If he tried to somehow pretend like he didn't have a responsibility to tell everyone, politicians and lawyers would be all over him with some trumped up charges that feign social responsibility, when it reality are just trying to recover the money this guy took from them. This guy just doesn't have to put up with that shit because all of those politicians and lawyers are his buddies and probably walked away pretty ok from all of this while the rest of us have to sit around and pick up the pieces.

    TL;DR: You didn't have some great insight into the problem if you win by betting on a fixed fight where you knew the outcome... and helped set up the fight... and helped invent boxing.

  48. It's Not Necessarily Harvard-Hating by sudon't · · Score: 1

    The comments quoted all point to the fact that Harvard doesn't need the money. It's already the richest school in the US, by far and away, with an endowment fund of twenty-six billion, (it was thirty-some billion, but they lost part of it, guess how?). There are more deserving schools, to whom four-hundred million wouldn't be a drop in the bucket.

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  49. The argument is that rich people donated money? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    ... This is how every university gets going and how the big ones stay well funded. They ask rich people for large sums of money... in the old days that was kings, lords, and the Church.

    today... it is business tycoons and big fat government checks.

    And from this we conclude Harvard is bad because a tycoon gave them 400 million dollars?

    Shock... gasp.... horror.

    This is about the part in an article where I ask the people that take it seriously to flip a coin.

    https://youtu.be/OLCL6OYbSTw?t...

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  50. It's been pretty strongly demonstrated... by tlambert · · Score: 1

    It's been pretty strongly demonstrated that a sitting president can pretty much do anything they want, regardless of congress, simply by issuing executive orders, or by ordering the military to do something (or nothing).

    Want to close Gitmo? Order the soldiers out.

    Want to get out of a war? Order the soldiers out.

    Want to change the tax code? Issue an executive order.

    Want to change how schools operate? Issue an executive order.

    Want to integrate schools over the objection of the governor of the state? Federalize the national guard and do it by force.

    Want to make a show of force to European involvement in the western hemisphere, but congress won't fund it? Order the navy to South America, and then let congress decide to pay for the fuel to bring them back (or not).

    Want to stop riots in Baltimore or Ferguson? Federalize and send in that state's national guard.
    (And if you think the state government has to ask or approve this:

    "Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, assemblages, or rebellion make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State"

    "The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy"

    "Air and Army National Guard can specifically be called into Federal service in case of invasion, rebellion, or inability to execute Federal law with active forces"

    So no.)

    Sitting Presidents have a lot more power than you are giving them credit for; they may unilaterally do a hell of a lot of things. They may have to face impeachment charges after the fact, but this close to the next election, there's really nothing congress can do about it; the next elected president automatically pardons any crimes of their predecessor; this is traditional, and a president probably depends on this as part of running for office. It's a gentleman's agreement that goes back to the early 1800's.

    Any mess he has not addressed via executive order or via his position as commander in chief is *his mess*.

    1. Re:It's been pretty strongly demonstrated... by Megol · · Score: 0

      Clueless. Grow the fuck up and realize that the world isn't that simple.

      I don't think Obama have done enough but building a fantasy world of how it could/should be doesn't change reality.

    2. Re:It's been pretty strongly demonstrated... by tlambert · · Score: 4, Informative

      Brilliant riposte. Not.

      Sending the navy without funding to come back: Theodore Roosevelt, 1905, Dominican Republic

      Federalization of the National Guard to quell civil unrest: Dwight Eisenhower, September 24th 1957, Federalization of the Arkansas National Guard to enforce the integration of Central High School

      Federalization of the National Guard to quell civil unrest: Lyndon Johnson, March 20, 1965, Federalization of Alabama National Guard to supervise the march from Selma to Montgomery

      Executive orders used by fiat:

      1793, George Washington, first executive order regarding U.S. Citizens and the War between England and France
      1861, Abraham Lincoln, suspension of John Merryman's right of Habeas Corpus, detainment in Fort McHenry
      Great Depression, Franklin D. Roosevelt, 3,522 executive orders modifying everything from tax to works agencies
        ====(first order was on first day in office for a 4 day bank closure ans restructuring of the financial system)
      1952, Harry Truman, Siezure of the nations steel mills to prevent a strike (later rejected as unconstitutional, but purpose already served)
      Early 2002, George Bush, NSA authorization for domestic wire tapping
      Early 2009, Barack Obama, Closure of Gitmo scheduled
      2011, Barack Obama, Closure of Gitmo executive order revoked by executive order
      2012, Barack Obama, Tougher regulation of Greenhouse gasses
      2012, Barack Obama, Changes to deportation policy
      2012, Barack Obama, Education and employment for returning troops
      (various), Barack Obama, freezing of foreign assets belonging to Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, and Syria
      2014, Barack Obama, prohibition on federal contractors discriminating against LGBT, and against discrimination in federal employment as well

      Clinton aide Paul Begala told The New York Times: "Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kind of cool.". This was in response to the 1998 Whitewater scandal making it impossible for Clinton to move legislation through the Republican controlled congress. So he didn't; instead, he issued executive orders.

      There have also been some rumblings about Obama raising taxes via executive order:

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/ro...

      Since Obama has been lame duck (he is in his second term), there's really nothing, other than the threat of impeachment, from pretty well doing whatever the hell he wants, in terms of executive orders and military orders. And as I noted, that threat has no teeth; it's not like anything he does is going to prevent him getting reelected, so it's not like he has to care about that.

      There's also the little fact that he rescinded the Gitmo closure order in 2011 -- in other words, he has no intention of keeping that campaign promise to the American people (nor, really, should he, since extraterritoriality is legally useful to the U.S. in many instances where what the U.S. is doing would be refused to be hosted by another country at one of the black sites).

      So now you have examples of everything on my list.

      I think it is you who need to "grow the fuck up".

    3. Re:It's been pretty strongly demonstrated... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      A president could be impeached, convicted, and removed from office in a matter of hours if the men required to do the job were not cowards and villains.

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    4. Re:It's been pretty strongly demonstrated... by tlambert · · Score: 1

      A president could be impeached, convicted, and removed from office in a matter of hours if the men required to do the job were not cowards and villains.

      So basically, you are saying that it wouldn't happen. ;)

      As a technicality;

      U.S. Constitution, Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1:

      "...and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

      But of course, that just means he has to do the impeachable offense, then pardon himself, BEFORE it becomes a "case of impeachment".

      Of course, issuing executive orders, even massively unpopular ones is arguably not grounds for impeachment in any case;

      U.S. Constitution, Article 2, Section 4:

      "The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

      Like the 1952 seizure of the steel mills by Harry Truman, they'd probably have to have someone with standing take a given executive order to court and have it make its way to the supreme court, which would generally take a couple of years, unless the court wanted to be activist about things because it offended them, as well.

    5. Re:It's been pretty strongly demonstrated... by pebear · · Score: 1

      Obama has not only used executive orders but he is also using rule / law verification / guidelines to the various departments on how to operate. In other words he is telling them how to operate / interpret various laws that govern their operations. I guess the next president can undo what Obama has put in place or wait till all this stuff eventually makes it's way to the Supreme Court.

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    6. Re:It's been pretty strongly demonstrated... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Clinton was impeached for telling the truth under oath. So it's not just the Executive that's not playing by the rules.

  51. Re:/. is covering up this important story (LGBTQIA by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Whelp... That makes sense to me. I am going to assume it is so every time I see it now. If I reply I will be sure to include that. It is bound to make my life more interesting and more entertaining to those around me.

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  52. Just Buy Harvard Already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stupid billionaires.

  53. Re:Barney Frank by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Thanks. I noted Frank's guilt above, but your post came before mine. Frank's co-conspirator in the Senate was Christopher Dodd, and no doubt Teddy Kennedy helped.

    It's interesting to speculate what would have happened if W. had treated the law as Obama has, and shut down Freddie and Fannie by executive decree. Surely the same people now praising Obama for his actions and claiming the president can do whatever he wants, would have been rioting for impeachment.

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  54. He's a lawyer and doesn't work that way by dbIII · · Score: 1

    If you wanted a radical you shouldn't have picked someone as conservative as a constitutional lawyer.

  55. Maybe Slashdotters need a tech analogy. by theophilosophilus · · Score: 1

    As usual for Slashdot, the article description doesn't track TFA (any of them) and misses the truth. First off, the cited article doesn't talk about this guy convincing banks to create products he bet against. Rather, he noticed that the market was using insane valuations for subprime mortgages and bet against them. That is smart, not evil. To use a tech analogy, what if IT Joe recognized a Zero Day exploit, implemented a fix, warned everyone, then sat back as his network survived and everyone else's were trashed? No one here would call IT Joe a villain. No the real reason Paulson is hated is envy. Just be real, he has more than you and you want it.

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  56. Harvard Professors by brunnegd · · Score: 1

    How many Harvard professors does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: It is an academic question, as they are all in Washington telling the rest of us how to live our lives.

  57. real estate collapse by paul+mafinga · · Score: 1

    The "Everyone Must Own A Home" easy credit debacle came close to destroying the global economy. People were able to buy homes with zero down, half of their gross income to payments, and APR increases after six years ("You can always refinance!").

    In the aftermath, the nation's two legacy, blue city, propaganda streams successfully planted memes that blame wall street for the implosion, but the overall concept of risky easy credit dates back to the farm loans of the 1930's -- at least they had crops to use as collateral. The process was heavily expanded with the 2nd CRA (1977, not 1964). Sharing the risk out to wall street is only part of the disease.

    Easy credit artificially boosts home values and reinforces the status quo of a largely unaffordable, overvalued real estate market. If we had a housing and urban development executive cabinet that used the scientific method, rather than simply house 8,000 party bureaucrats, enslaving the taxpayers at a cost of $ 30 B. a year, decade after decade, perhaps real innovation -- a process of goals, milestones, and a well-defined definition of success -- would create human primate habitats that are as affordable and easy to buy as cars.

    Harvard elites? They rarely pay taxes -- why should they care about a government loaded with do-nothing bureaucrats. That's what their 4,000,000 words of IRS Tax Code is for, to give them loopholes to escape paying taxes entirely -- taxes are for the working class. It's probably no coincidence that the Rise of the Democrats, from their roots as the political arm of the KKK, practically mirrors the growth of the IRS Tax Code, legislated at an average rate of 40,000 words per year since ~1913. It all started with a simple, three level tax formula. The agency itself pleas for reform.

    While wage and salary earners are puzzled about the 30% of their paycheck that gets vaporized into the government entity every two weeks, and the Ivy League Elites pay zero taxes (legally), the Modern Democrats offer workers an increase in the minimum wage. Of course the public unions, and government funded wages and salaries are all linked to the minimum wage, so it's entirely moot and dramatically inflationary. With a ratio of about 4:1 taxpayers per government funded employee today, inflation due to minimum age increases will quickly make any temporary reprieve from economic slavery moot, while accomplishing the two actual goals : wage increases across the board for the party faithful, and votes purchased from those at the base of the economic pyramid. It's a temporary increase in affordability, a vote buying scheme that the Democratic Party trots out as elections approach. The fact that increases in average American wages are in direct conflict with the three rounds of QE deflationary efforts -- which were intended to help American labor compete globally -- means nothing to vote-buying Democrats or their incumbency schemes.

    Everything the government does -- from the minimum wage, to the tax code, to the massive bureaucracies -- is carefully crafted to favor incumbency, not to improve the lives of We the People. After pseudo-socialism overtook much of Europe and China, the political science departments of Harvard and the other Ivy League institutions thought the massive, centralized government model would rule the world. The US government bootprint on American lives quickly expanded to match -- huge government bureaucracies were created in executive cabinets below the Presidency, assuming that 100% government employment with the President as CEO would come to pass. Instead, China has dramatically evolved towards partnership with the private sector and the Soviet Union collapsed.

    The massive US government bootprint has yet to reform, with the Democrats angrily pushing as much propaganda and vote-buying schemes through their legacy blue city propaganda distributors (Los Angeles and New York) as quickly as possible, hoping to prevent reform of their bloated, incompetent executive cabinetry. Amusingly, a true liberal, a true scientist,