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Lenovo Could Remake the ThinkPad X300 With Current Technologies

MojoKid writes: The ThinkPad brand has been around for a long time; the first model was introduced by IBM way back in 1992. And although technological advances over the past two decades have lead to Lenovo ThinkPads that are lighter, much faster, and highly more cable than any model in the early 1990s could have ever imagined, there's still a clear visual link between yesteryear and today with regards to design cues. Well, apparently, Lenovo is seriously toying with the idea of making a "unique" model that would incorporate some of the strong ThinkPad language that has been erased in recent years. "Imagine a blue enter key, 7 row classic keyboard, 16:10 aspect ratio screen, multi-color ThinkPad logo, dedicated volume controls, rubberized paint, exposed screws, lots of status LEDs, and more. Think of it like stepping into a time machine and landing in 1992, but armed with today's technology." It might not be for everyone but some execs at Lenovo think there might be a market for it.

219 comments

  1. Holy Cow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shut up and take my money!

    1. Re:Holy Cow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG I want one!!! And give it top specs please!

    2. Re:Holy Cow by TWX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We just replaced an X301 with a Thinkpad Yoga 12.5" back in December. Honestly, if they would shrink the fairly large bezel around the screen but otherwise keep the feature set the same it would appeal. I can't deny that I like the keyboard on the X301 better than on the Thinkpad Yoga, and I certainly like the more modular nature of the X301 so that memory and storage can be replaced, as compared to how much of the Yoga is soldered-on.

      The biggest thing that could help the X301 replacement would be price. They've got experience with Netbook form factors, and with tablet and convertible tablet form factors, so if they can keep the price down along with the weight then it could be a good choice if they can also keep it durable.

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    3. Re:Holy Cow by N!k0N · · Score: 1, Troll

      Design of yesteryear coupled with all the Lenovo MITM software of today! What could possibly go wrong??

    4. Re:Holy Cow by varag · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just reformat the hard disk and install Linux. Job done.

    5. Re:Holy Cow by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

      My brother has a thinkpad that came with win 3.1 but was somehow upgraded to 95 siting on a bookshelf when ever I go over to his house I have to plug it in and boot it just to see if it still works. He wanted me to put linux or something on it to make it useful again but all it has is a 3.5 floppy.

    6. Re:Holy Cow by Zarhan · · Score: 2

      Just get a PCMCIA network card and use network boot disks - still available for some distros. I think at least Debian still provides them.

    7. Re:Holy Cow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably a 386. Not worth it, even with Linux.

    8. Re:Holy Cow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, this isn't IBM you're buying from. It's the Chi-Coms who have been ramping up electronic corporate spying lately.

    9. Re:Holy Cow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This. I love the performance and screen of the X1 Carbon, but every time I use it for more than 2-3 hours I hit a point where I want to take a sledgehammer to its keyboard (and whoever the pinhead was who decided a touch keyboard for Fn keys and removing separate mouse buttons were good ideas). Even at a year old, I'd replace it tomorrow with one of these if it were under $1500.

    10. Re:Holy Cow by magarity · · Score: 1

      I have a brand new T-series and while the keyboard is mediocre, the truly awful part is the spring loaded touchpad. You can't just use the trackpoint either because the buttons are built into the bouncy touchpad which has a terrible time registering clicks.

    11. Re:Holy Cow by tgharold · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I have a T540p with the big spring-loaded touchpad acting as buttons. You can (somewhat) adjust the size of the area that counts as a "left-click". Hopefully this is just a passing fad as they are re-introducing the buttons on some models.

      Looks like the T550 series will have physical mouse buttons again.

    12. Re:Holy Cow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Forget all the other stuff, and bring back the 4:3 aspect ratio screen!!! The current screens aren't really wide, they are just shortened. They are definitely NOT better! This whole "wide screen" crap got foisted off on us because manufacturers found out that by making the screens shorter, they are cheaper to make. Then the marketing f**ks managed to convince some folks that "wider" (actually shorter) is better so that they could raise prices for what is actually an inferior and cheaper product, increasing profits at the expense of those buying computers.

      Years of research went into finding the most comfortable aspect ratio for TV viewing, which turned out to be 4:3. The same applies to computer monitors. 4:3 is the best aspect ratio. Don't believe me? Then do some research and you will find that there are many that want to see the return of the 4:3 aspect ratio computer screen both on the desktop and laptop computer platforms.

      Oh, and Lenovo take a hint and get rid of the stupid stupid stupid eraser mouse in the middle of the keyboard!!

    13. Re:Holy Cow by Burz · · Score: 1

      What makes the newer keyboards mediocre is the change in layout, not the keys. The new layout removes some keys and changes the position of some others. Some models even have dedicated function keys removed. This, along with the removal of switches and indicator lights, is an attempt by Lenovo to out-Apple Apple in sleekness -- at some point you're just removing functionality that will be missed. The hardware minimalism has gone too far (and in the case of missing airplane-mode switches, robs of useful security features).

      As for the keyboard, the new keycaps are flatter to save space, but are also wider and retain a sculpted shape. And they sit atop the same keyswitches from traditional Thinkpad keyboards. So the physical qualities of the new keys are the best of the old and the new. Lenovo should give us the old layout with the new keycaps.

    14. Re:Holy Cow by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Forget all the other stuff, and bring back the 4:3 aspect ratio screen!!! The current screens aren't really wide, they are just shortened. They are definitely NOT better! This whole "wide screen" crap got foisted off on us because manufacturers found out that by making the screens shorter, they are cheaper to make. Then the marketing f**ks managed to convince some folks that "wider" (actually shorter) is better so that they could raise prices for what is actually an inferior and cheaper product, increasing profits at the expense of those buying computers.

      Years of research went into finding the most comfortable aspect ratio for TV viewing, which turned out to be 4:3. The same applies to computer monitors. 4:3 is the best aspect ratio. Don't believe me? Then do some research and you will find that there are many that want to see the return of the 4:3 aspect ratio computer screen both on the desktop and laptop computer platforms.

      I'd settle for a 16:10 ratio for a computer monitor, comfortable or not.

    15. Re:Holy Cow by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 2

      At work we use Lenovo. I haven't met a single person that likes the "clickpad". Tap to click works ok for left clicks (like any other touchpad). I struggle to get right click to work. I go to right click and the cursor always moves off the target.

    16. Re:Holy Cow by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      Years of research went into finding the most comfortable aspect ratio for TV viewing, which turned out to be 4:3. The same applies to computer monitors.

      This is false. Monitors used 4:3 because TVs used 4:3. TVs used 4:3 because films used 4:3. Films used 4:3 because that's what was chosen as an interoperability standard in 1932.

      It was an arbitrary decision.

      4:3 fetishism is passe now that screen resolutions have surpassed your beloved 1600x1200 tube. Get over it.

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    17. Re:Holy Cow by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Maybe Tiny Linux or something along that line? Alternatively dig into the old repositories and find a very old version of a *NIX distro. Security would be a minor issue.

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    18. Re:Holy Cow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not just Lenovo doing this. I bought two dell laptops and one lenovo and none of them has even the basic CAPSLOCK, NUMLOCK and SCROLLLOCK keys

    19. Re:Holy Cow by mathew7 · · Score: 1

      Nice.....I actually jumped and bought the x230 when I saw the pictures of x240, even though x240 had an optional FullHD screen. I hate the hinges of the newer laptops. And I actually looked at x250 recently. So an upgrade with retro styling would be awesome.

      Soooo....build a 12" laptop, with hinges fixed to the base, not screen (so you can actually use the back space, like with a bulky battery and/or connections), matte screen, with 800 or more lines (1366x768: hate, 1280x800: excelent....I hate this 16:9 trend, which is ok for 20+" screens, which you could actually use for movies), at least 3 USB connectors and either HDMI or DP. Oh yeah....and small bezels.

      PS: my personal laptop history: Thinkpad 600, T61, Edge 11 (aka x120, where I found my hate for the higes fixed to screen), x230. So if they make a 11-12" version.....I'll quote: "Shut up and take my money!"

    20. Re:Holy Cow by nobodie · · Score: 1

      I think I have one of the last (affordable) 4:3 aspect screens available at home here, an HP CompqLE1911. It is not god's gift to screens, but I really hate a "wide" screen, like I have at work.

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    21. Re:Holy Cow by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Most modern film formats are wider than the common 16:9 that's now used for television. Televisions were 4:3 mostly because it's difficult to build CRTs that vary too much from a circle. The most common use for film in 4:3 is still images, which is still the case today with higher end digital cameras using sensors that are the same size as their 35mm predecessors.

      It's good that there's finally monitors available with a decent amount of vertical resolution again, but in most cases the large amount of horizontal space seems wasted, unless I'm playing games or watching videos. For laptops, 16:10 seems t work pretty well as it's about right for the keyboard plus armrest plus trackpad.

    22. Re:Holy Cow by toddestan · · Score: 1

      That's almost certainly a 5:4 screen running a 1280x1024 resolution. Screens like that are still somewhat common and not that expensive, but you won't find one in Best Buy. Actual 4:3 monitors are pretty much extinct, with almost no one making 1024x768 or 1600x1200 (or less common sizes such as 1440x1050 or 2048x1576) monitors anymore

    23. Re:Holy Cow by nobodie · · Score: 1

      you are right. My last one, bought sometime in the oughties in Thailand was a 1600x1200 that I loved and this was the closest format I could get at a reasonable price. My confusion was that I did by a good one for my daughter which she can no longer use since she is working in Holland. Very sucks

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  2. Highly more cable by zoffdino · · Score: 1

    Lenovo ThinkPads that are lighter, much faster, and highly more cable than any model

    As in wall-hugger?

    1. Re:Highly more cable by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

      >> Re:Highly more cable

      Do NOT Google that.

    2. Re:highly more cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they meant "cable" as in "full of ads" (a la Superfish) rather than "cable" as in wires.

    3. Re:Highly more cable by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      WTF does "highly more cable" even mean? Is that even English? I believe the proper term would be "much longer cable."

    4. Re:Highly more cable by Minwee · · Score: 1

      >> Re:Highly more cable

      Do NOT Google that.

      "My god... It's full of Liefeld!"

    5. Re:Highly more cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ca pa ble. It's what's known as a typo.

    6. Re:Highly more cable by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      No thanks, I've become enamored by wifi the last decade or so.

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    7. Re:highly more cable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're in no position to mock, Mr Apostrophe.

  3. SOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Laptop with screen that I can use. SOLD! and a backup one kept safe for when the 1st one dies. SOLD.

    1. Re:SOLD! by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The fact that it has less horizontal resolution makes it better?

      Now when they moved to the Wide screen models, it was a fancy trick to lower the Vertical resolution, while offering a larger screen size. But that was when the average Resolution was around 72ppi. Today we are having much higher resolution screens, so going with this model will just cut away your horizontal resolution for you nostalgic feeling.

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    2. Re:SOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't quite understand what you are trying to say. With 16:10 screens, 1920x1200 was a standard resolution. The pixel dimensions for a 16:9 screen of comparable size and resolution are only 1920x1080, which is fewer pixels vertically, not more pixels horizontally.

      The desirable end game of increasing screen resolutions is high-PPI ("Retina") screens. I will define high-PPI screens to be ones which are capable of clearly displaying text at the smallest physical size the user is comfortable reading. That is to say, even if the screen can display smaller text with clarity, the user will not be able to read it without difficulty or magnification, due to the limitations of their own eyesight. With these screens, increasing the PPI further will only improve the clarity of the contents of the screen, rather than adding more usable screen real estate.

      If you make an assumption that all new laptops will eventually come with high-PPI screens, then clearly only the physical screen area matters when it comes to screen real estate.

      A user who wants a particular size of laptop, and who is switching from 16:10 to 16:9, would have to take a model with a shorter screen, not a wider one. Otherwise, they end up with a wider, less portable laptop. Assuming high-PPI screens, this will mean they have less physical screen area, and therefore less usable screen real estate. There is a trade-off between screen real estate and portability, which 16:10 seems to optimize.

      For laptops that do not have high-PPI screens, then a 16:9 screen may be an improvement over a 16:10 screen if it has a sufficiently higher PPI. However, the reverse is also true. Neither aspect ratio has an inherent PPI value. Once you reach "Retina" PPIs, 16:10 is always better when it comes to providing screen real estate within a given width.

      Not to mention that 16:10 screens can display full screen 16:9 videos without having to irritatingly overlay the playback user interface controls on top of the video.

    3. Re:SOLD! by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      I don't quite understand what you are trying to say. With 16:10 screens, 1920x1200 was a standard resolution. The pixel dimensions for a 16:9 screen of comparable size and resolution are only 1920x1080, which is fewer pixels vertically, not more pixels horizontally.

      That 16:10 screens had more pixels than "related" 16:9 screens was an arbitrary decision most likely made for ease of production. Now that that the roles are reversed, with 16:9 being the standard and 16:10 the outlier, it is just as likely that horizontal resolution on a 16:9 model would would be decreased to make a 16:10 screen. Apple has done exactly that with one of their newest models.

      A user who wants a particular size of laptop, and who is switching from 16:10 to 16:9, would have to take a model with a shorter screen, not a wider one. Otherwise, they end up with a wider, less portable laptop.

      Laptop depth is just as important as width to portability, so there is no advantage to 16:10 here, just selective thinking on your part.

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    4. Re:SOLD! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Maybe it is me but a smaller size has never, well not recently - say 15-20 years, been a factor when I choose a new laptop. In all actuality, I almost always get a laptop that is "full size." I suspect there is a specific name for them but I do not know it. I prefer to get a laptop that has a full keyboard and a separate number pad of its own. I prefer to get a laptop that is large enough to have a second drive bay. I prefer having a second drive in them, especially if it is something I intend to use productively more so than something I use passively.

      Again, this is something that may just be limited to me. I doubt I am the only one because, while increasing in rarity, they are still being made though finding one that suits my needs and has a second drive bay is becoming more difficult. At least I am able to still get a full number pad. When I want something smaller I get a netbook. If I want something lighter I will bring a tablet (though I have two, none is nearly as nice as my older Motion was). If I want something even more portable then I have a phone in my pocket that is faster than the computers were for the first 2/3+ of my life.

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  4. highly more cable by rossdee · · Score: 3, Funny

    "have lead to Lenovo ThinkPads that are lighter, much faster, and highly more cable"

    I would've thought modern Lenovo's would be highly more WiFi than cable

  5. UH, an that fish thing thrown in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No way Josie!

  6. First Thinkpad by puddingebola · · Score: 4, Funny

    My first Thinkpad was the original Thinkpad 700 with DOS. I used to hit the Thinkpad, throw the Thinkpad against walls, smash the Thinkpad with my fists, and urinate on the Thinkpad. Once, a whale ate my Thinkpad and I pursued it for weeks across the ocean until it defecated the Thinkpad back out. The Thinkpad booted up to prompt on the first try after that. Is there any laptop more celebrated on Slashdot. I think not.

    1. Re:First Thinkpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly the reason I would hesitate with this throwback thinkpad, and haven't owned one in almost 2 decades. I just don't have the time nor desire to carry around a cinder block with me everywhere I go anymore. Back then it was cute because people would notice I'm a geek who could afford nice tech. Today a ThinkBrick is just too impractical.

    2. Re:First Thinkpad by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's exactly the reason I would hesitate with this throwback thinkpad, and haven't owned one in almost 2 decades. I just don't have the time nor desire to carry around a cinder block with me everywhere I go anymore. Back then it was cute because people would notice I'm a geek who could afford nice tech. Today a ThinkBrick is just too impractical.

      It's also rather impractical to slide your brand new cell phone in your pocket only to watch it bend.

      Presumably this is the result of two identical twins who entered the marketing arena about five years ago. One of them stood in a corner and started screaming "LIGHTER! LIGHTER!" while the other one ran to another corner and started screaming "THINNER! THINNER!". They haven't fucking shut up since.

      Of course common sense tried to talk them off the ledge, but got trampled by the consumer mob of idiots who now put fashion over function every time, hence the reason Lenovo execs are drooling over something as superficial as a blue enter key.

      16 cores and the latest 3D memory you say? Yeah, fuck all that, I'm just here for the rubberized paint.

    3. Re:First Thinkpad by DeBaas · · Score: 1

      I had the same thing. Then I installed Windows 95 and finally it was useless

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    4. Re:First Thinkpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My first Thinkpad was the original Thinkpad 700 with DOS. I used to hit the Thinkpad, throw the Thinkpad against walls, smash the Thinkpad with my fists, and urinate on the Thinkpad. Once, a whale ate my Thinkpad and I pursued it for weeks across the ocean until it defecated the Thinkpad back out. The Thinkpad booted up to prompt on the first try after that. Is there any laptop more celebrated on Slashdot. I think not.

      The robustness advantage of Thinkpads is actually a myth. I'm sure Lenovo's marketing department loves the myth, though. If you take a closer look, Thinkpads are designed and built the same way than other normal laptops. Buy a Panasonic Toughbook if you want something that is actually engineered differently.

    5. Re:First Thinkpad by armanox · · Score: 1

      Now yes. Years ago...they were a bit different.

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    6. Re:First Thinkpad by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I pursued it for weeks across the ocean until it defecated the Thinkpad back out.

      Really blew the whale's mind...

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    7. Re:First Thinkpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first Thinkpad was the original Thinkpad 700 with DOS. I used to hit the Thinkpad, throw the Thinkpad against walls, smash the Thinkpad with my fists, and urinate on the Thinkpad. Once, a whale ate my Thinkpad and I pursued it for weeks across the ocean until it defecated the Thinkpad back out. The Thinkpad booted up to prompt on the first try after that. Is there any laptop more celebrated on Slashdot. I think not.

      The robustness advantage of Thinkpads is actually a myth. I'm sure Lenovo's marketing department loves the myth, though. If you take a closer look, Thinkpads are designed and built the same way than other normal laptops. Buy a Panasonic Toughbook if you want something that is actually engineered differently.

      Lenovo are cheap Chinese crap computers. Where are all the Republicans that usually swarm around slashdot like so many retarded bumblebees? Buy an Apple! Cuz it's Murrrickan Godddammint!

    8. Re:First Thinkpad by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      It wasn't too long ago that the ThinkPad T-series had a magnesium cage inside protecting all the parts, and stainless steel hinges that would not break. Don't know if that's still the case now, but Lenovo kept to that when HP and Dell went with cheap plastic shit that would wear out through normal use, much less any form of accident or abuse.

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    9. Re:First Thinkpad by zlives · · Score: 1

      hear hear

    10. Re:First Thinkpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had a Thinkpad 760XL (P166MMX). Damn adapter broke, floppy drive died and the battery shat itself back in 1999. A Toshiba Tecra on the other hand from the same period (P150MMX) is still reliably kicking today with a fully working battery and adapter.

    11. Re:First Thinkpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's also rather impractical to slide your brand new cell phone in your pocket only to watch it bend." -geekmux

      Better than becoming a hunchback from lugging around a Thinkbrick. I'll let my phone's warranty deal with the cost of being able to wear skinny jeans.

    12. Re:First Thinkpad by Nadir · · Score: 1

      2014 T540p here: magnesium cage and metal hinges.

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    13. Re:First Thinkpad by geekmux · · Score: 1

      "It's also rather impractical to slide your brand new cell phone in your pocket only to watch it bend." -geekmux

      Better than becoming a hunchback from lugging around a Thinkbrick. I'll let my phone's warranty deal with the cost of being able to wear skinny jeans.

      Forget the warranty issue, defending those fashion choices says it all.

    14. Re:First Thinkpad by armanox · · Score: 1

      Those old Toshiba's were virtually bullet-proof! I have a Thinkpad 600e that won't die, and a P3 Tecra that's in equal shape.

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    15. Re:First Thinkpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Forget the warranty issue, defending those fashion choices says it all." -geekmux

      Being able to fit into skinny jeans isn't so much a "fashion choice" as it a triumph over the stereotypical IT lifestyle of Doritos and Dew. Enjoy your cinder block Quasimoto.

    16. Re:First Thinkpad by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Lighter and thinner is NOT fashion over function. It is function in itself. Lighter, thinner also means goes more places, and is more practical to use in many scenarios.

      This isn't about identical twins, or marketing. What it is about what people have been wanting for many years. Also very few phones bend, but most phones are thin and light.

    17. Re:First Thinkpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you

    18. Re:First Thinkpad by pekka5766 · · Score: 1

      It's not bad.

    19. Re:First Thinkpad by geekmux · · Score: 1

      "Forget the warranty issue, defending those fashion choices says it all." -geekmux

      Being able to fit into skinny jeans isn't so much a "fashion choice" as it a triumph over the stereotypical IT lifestyle of Doritos and Dew. Enjoy your cinder block Quasimoto.

      I cycle and do yoga multiple times a week, so I'm afraid I fall way short of your assumptions.

      And at least Quasimoto is understood and even somewhat explainable in IT given the job. Me being able to see your ballsack from 20 yards away isn't and never will be. Enjoy sterility.

    20. Re:First Thinkpad by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Lighter and thinner is NOT fashion over function. It is function in itself. Lighter, thinner also means goes more places, and is more practical to use in many scenarios.

      This isn't about identical twins, or marketing. What it is about what people have been wanting for many years. Also very few phones bend, but most phones are thin and light.

      Lighter and thinner have their place when it comes to selling Navy SEALs tactical hardware in titanium instead of steel. In those situations, you're not having to compromise the strength and reliability of the hardware.

      They do not have as much of a place when it comes to something as fragile as a laptop, especially when us humans got rather used to companies like IBM making a serious fucking piece of hardware that was damn near unbreakable.

      It didn't get that reputation because it looked like the thin-ass shit we have today that can break by looking at it wrong. And in our disposable society, we sure as hell can't count on vendors to give a shit anymore about hardware longevity. Their answer every time is to sell you more hardware.

    21. Re:First Thinkpad by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Or maybe there are different products on the market with different features for different customers.

      Lighter thinner most definitely DOES have it's place when selling a laptop. You just seem upset that your favourite model has taken this approach when instead you should just look at any of the many other manufacturers who sell semi rugged / fully rugged laptops. Maybe you should buy one of those if for some reason you can't stop breaking your hardware.

      On the flip side I've owned the most fragile laptop / tablet convertible on the market for over 2 years now. But I don't use it like a Frisbee either.

  7. Pfft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Lose the trackpad, lose the windows keys, stuff it with the widescreen. Oh, and a high enter key. The colour stuff doesn't work with "thinkpad" like it did with "IBM". Want to win big? Do all that then do a fully open-source BIOS, with full documentation and support for at least two different open source OSes (not just two flavours of "linux").

    It's quite interesting in a morbidly Chinese fashion to see how even this revamp doesn't really get it.

    1. Re:Pfft. by TWX · · Score: 2

      99.9% of customers don't care about an open source BIOS.

      The trackpad is useful. The Window and Menu keys can be used with keyboard shortcut combinations. Taking away functionality that users have grown accustomed to and is expected by the OS is not a good business decision.

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    2. Re:Pfft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What functionality? expected by the OS?
      Who the fuck are you?

    3. Re:Pfft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do all that then do a fully open-source BIOS, with full documentation and support for at least two different open source OSes (not just two flavours of "linux").

      Why? Open source saves the world?

    4. Re:Pfft. by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Why? Is the cheerleader open source?

    5. Re:Pfft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lose the trackpad, lose the windows keys, stuff it with the widescreen. Oh, and a high enter key. The colour stuff doesn't work with "thinkpad" like it did with "IBM". Want to win big? Do all that then do a fully open-source BIOS, with full documentation and support for at least two different open source OSes (not just two flavours of "linux").

      It's quite interesting in a morbidly Chinese fashion to see how even this revamp doesn't really get it.

      So you want a Chromebook? Why not just buy a Chromebook and be done with it instead of involving a Dinosaur like IBM and their outsourced Chinese lapdogs at Lenovo? Chromebooks are cheaper than Lenovo's overpriced closed source crap too.

  8. WAT? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Funny
    No pink model? And that blue enter key is a mark of the oppressive patriarchy.

    Insensitive clods.

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    1. Re:WAT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No pink model? And that blue enter key is a mark of the oppressive patriarchy.

      Insensitive clods.

      Actually, in the heyday of IBM Thinkpads, pink was the colour of choice for young boys. Chaste young ladies would often prefer light blue to signify a lack of earthly desires, until the steam-powered vibrator came and ruined it all.

    2. Re:WAT? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      No pink model? And that blue enter key is a mark of the oppressive patriarchy.

      Insensitive clods.

      Actually, in the heyday of IBM Thinkpads, pink was the colour of choice for young boys. Chaste young ladies would often prefer light blue to signify a lack of earthly desires, until the steam-powered vibrator came and ruined it all.

      Been a long long day. But darn it - I enjoyed that comment! Well done.

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  9. Re: Literally the only useful thing to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then write your own or use pen and paper.

  10. *Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light! by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Neat idea. But please ditch the old keyboard light. It was cute back in the 90ies, but seriously not anymore.
    Individually lighted, dimable keys please. If Apple can do it, so can you.

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  11. I've seen it already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's like "new Coke"/"Coca-Cola Classic" all over again.

    1. Re:I've seen it already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much. The concept pics look just like my T420

    2. Re:I've seen it already. by cahuenga · · Score: 1

      That is exactly like a 420's keyboard

  12. Take My Money by AgentElrond · · Score: 1

    If they did this there is no question it would be my next dev machine. I've just bought a maxed out X1 Carbon (2015 version), which is a really fine bit of kit but I really miss the classic Thinkpad keyboard.

    1. Re:take my money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apple.com

    2. Re:take my money by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Screw that can I have a 4:3 one please. I still hang onto my 1400x1050 14" Toshiba Tecra M5 for this reason.

    3. Re:Take My Money by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      Mah I considered the x1 but the super small laptop isn't for me I need a full sized keyboard and no num pad throwing off the alignment of the keyboard with the screen.. Lights instead of back lit keyboard that just sounds annoying.

    4. Re:take my money by armanox · · Score: 1

      And likewise, I have a Dell Inspiron 8100 with a 1600x1200 display that I refuse to give up.

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    5. Re:take my money by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Just get a 1920x1080 screen and put Twitter rolling on the side.

    6. Re:take my money by utoddl · · Score: 1

      Reading this on a T42 with a 4:3 1400x1050. Will use it 'till one of us dies. Would love to by the same thing new.

    7. Re:Take My Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alas, it is not the classic keyboard. Lenovo has an amazing talent for screwing up keyboards. Even before it too up the Apple-inspired foolishness of getting rid of full-travel keys, Lenovo did bizarre things to the keyboard layout. Before their tomfoolery, the escape and delete keys were not overgrown and there were two very useful keys for page-forward and page-back in the empty spots of the inverted T for the directional keys.

      The T60 was the high point of Thinkpad design: great keyboard layout and a screen aspect ratio for doing actual work. The T61 kept that up. The T400 kept the keyboard but went to the tempation of the cinematic keyboard (and the loss of vertical pixels is bothersome).

      I don't have high hopes they'll get it right.

    8. Re:Take My Money by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'd not seen it before so I gave it a look. It is nice but too small for my taste. I might order one for times when I am traveling light. It looks like something good to add to the RV for when I go out hiking or something that would suit nicely for just hiking around here. Built-in cell phone connectivity is not something I'd seriously looked at in the past - I just hook my phone up or just use my phone. This is a feature that I can see myself taking advantage of in the future though. I am not sure that I like vendor lock-in with it but I have yet to find something that isn't but I have not searched for it as, I mentioned, it not something I have considered a feature that I wanted.

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    9. Re:Take My Money by AgentElrond · · Score: 1

      Well the X1 is actually not that small - the keyboard is full size (measured against my desktop keyboard), 14" screen, no num pad.

  13. Please celebrate the Pad angle as well by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    The initial ThinkPad was conceived as a tablet computer (named for the leather pad holders embossed w/ ``THINK'' which IBM issued to its employees — see the book _ThinkPad: A Different Shade of Blue_ for the backstory on that).

    Really wishing that my ThinkPad x61T were a real replacement for my Fujitsu Stylistic ST-4121 --- features I need:

      - better stylus implementation (Wacom EMR is fine, so long as it's done well, Samsung certainly has this down, Toshiba w/ Wacom’s new AES has done well)
      - daylight viewable display --- that's the big failing on most machines now, one can only get a true daylight viewable display on rugged machines sold to (and priced for) military, LEO and construction

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    1. Re:Please celebrate the Pad angle as well by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Really wishing that my ThinkPad x61T were a real replacement for my Fujitsu Stylistic ST-4121 --- features I need:

          - better stylus implementation (Wacom EMR is fine, so long as it's done well, Samsung certainly has this down, Toshiba w/ Wacomâ(TM)s new AES has done well)
          - daylight viewable display --- that's the big failing on most machines now, one can only get a true daylight viewable display on rugged machines sold to (and priced for) military, LEO and construction

      Ye olde EEE slate had both of these features in one package, but it's pretty poky. Fujitsu T900 will let you have wacom pen plus daylight viewable or you can have wacom pen+touch without daylight viewable, plus it's really thick and heavy. Maybe there's something newer that doesn't suck?

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    2. Re:Please celebrate the Pad angle as well by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      Right, the T900 is from 5 years ago, the EEE Slate is almost as old.

      I'd like something contemporary, ideally something w/ the potential to last as long as my Stylistic (oh yeah, and it needs to fit in my old laptop bag, so no larger than the ST-4121, which both machines you noted fail at).

      Currently making do w/ a Toshiba Encore 2 Write 10, but the lack of a daylight viewable display is really starting to annoy me.

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  14. Superfish by Stargoat · · Score: 1

    Would it have superfish and other viruses on there? Because I don't really remember IBM doing that. Lenovo might want to leave the Communist malware off. Or maybe they don't want to.

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    1. Re:Superfish by bazmail · · Score: 1

      Superfish is an American company.

      Think before embarrassing yourself.

    2. Re: Superfish by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 1

      at least the name superfish isnt missleading, if not ironic.

    3. Re:Superfish by Khyber · · Score: 1

      No, it is an Isreali company. It only moved to California.

      Who's embarrassing themselves, here?

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    4. Re:Superfish by bazmail · · Score: 1

      Superfish is based in Palo Alto, California.
      California is in America.


      **drumroll**

      Superfish is an American company.

    5. Re:Superfish by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Superfish was founded in ISRAEL in 2006.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      If you cannot read and comprehend simple stuff, you do not belong here.

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    6. Re:Superfish by bazmail · · Score: 1

      So? The Statue of Liberty was created in France, but it is an American landmark, why?

      Because it is based in America. It's not a difficult concept. Ask a grown up to explain it to you using sock puppets if you are still struggling with it.

    7. Re:Superfish by Junta · · Score: 1

      Note that Lenovo gets blame, and Superfish gets blame, but let us not forget that the critical flaw originated with Komodia, which managed to get their mistake into more than just Superfish. People who didn't even have superfish were exposed to the exact same problem.

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    8. Re:Superfish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy, someone sure has their panties in a knot at the mere suggestion of this quasi-intelligence/malware company emanating from Israel, gee I wonder why that is?

      From the aforementioned wikipedia article:

      Superfish was founded in 2006 by Adi Pinhas and Michael Chertkof. Pinhas is a graduate of Tel Aviv University. In 1999, he co-founded Vigilant Technology, which âoeinvented digital video recording for the surveillance marketâ; before that, he worked at Verint, an intelligence company that analyzed telephone signals and had allegedly tapped Verizon communication lines. Chertkof is a graduate of Technion and Bar-Ilan University with 10 years of experience in "large scale real-time data mining systems."

      It would seem rather obvious to all those who retain the ability to think critcally, that on the surface at least, superfish is a vassal of the Israel intelligence community.

    9. Re:Superfish by fnj · · Score: 1

      Give it up. You've lost. It WAS an Israeli company, but it IS a US company. Understand the distinction?

    10. Re:Superfish by Khyber · · Score: 1

      It has its base here. It is not an American company.

      If Microsoft has a base in Ireland, does it suddenly become an Irish company?

      Your logic fails very hard. Try again, JIDF shill.

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  15. Old keyboard by Racerdude · · Score: 2

    I'd buy it if it had the old (non-chiclet) keyboard!

  16. Close by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Drop the 16:10 aspect ratio, ThinkPads are work laptops not movie watchers. People spend $$$ to hack together multiple parts from different T6x series ThinkPads into a laptop with a QXGA (2048 x 1536) screen. I have one, it's awesome. Please sell those. And blinking lights don't fool us. Every feature should be there for a good reason. It should be designed with looks as the lowest priority.

    1. Re:Close by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should be designed with looks as the lowest priority.

      Hear, hear!
      I have a T61 and a T430 hoping to make such a chimera, but I never got around to it. What I want is basically a high-resolution T61 that is faster and has more memory and disk space. I want a machine that is for being productive.

  17. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by marky_boi · · Score: 2

    when was the last time you used Linux?? Running Ubuntu Mate on a T61p right now, never skipped a beat from the moment it was install.. Compare that to my POS win7 work laptop that has been higly crappified by security and you'd choose linux everyday too.. Apple bahhh walled garden

  18. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I still use GEOS on my C64.

  19. take my money by kuiken · · Score: 1

    16:10 screen on a laptop, where do I sign up ??

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  20. Will it come with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will it come with classic versions of spyware and Chinese rootkits?

  21. If you are buying Lenovo, avoid Ideapad's by Pope+Raymond+Lama · · Score: 1

    Since the post is related, I will take my time to off-topically cast my votes as a consumer:
    avoid Lenovo "ideapad" line like you'd avoid hell.

    Mine has the worst screen I had ever seen in my life - worst contrast and highest reflection ever!
    (it can't beat a generic sub $ 60 Chinese Android tablet's). Sound volume is poor almost as if non-existent,
    keyboard build is flimsy.
    Just say NO. And even if going to other Lenovo product lines, I'd be extra careful checking the overall building.

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  22. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by turp182 · · Score: 1

    I say move the lights to the sides of the screen and use a backlit keyboard. This allows for a document to be lit next to the laptop (this would be nice for gaming in the dark when taking notes).

    And put a light on both sides rather than pandering to right-handed people...

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  23. no, just stop. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Imagine a blue enter key, 7 row classic keyboard, 16:10 aspect ratio screen, multi-color ThinkPad

    so, Imagine IBM. This won't happen, and not because of cost or market, but because Lenovo has betrayed its actual intent as a profiteering multinational. Superfish should be all the average slashdotter needs to know about this company to arrive at the inevitable conclusion that lenovo is committed to realizing a captive audience and perpetual marketing revenue stream through their hardware. The only reason superfish was stopped was because lenovo got caught, not because they cared about what you think or how you approach general purpose computing.

    brand me a nihilist but commodity computing is dead. Dell, HP, and even apple all do the same marketing and targeted advertising song and dance. if its not bloatware its shady 'privacy settings' in the OS that are disabled by default. most laptops are nothing more than 20 gigs of branded content and apps store turd polishing. desktops are the literal epitome of the cheapest chinese plastic that can be extruded into peripheral and PCB form, combined with a disingenuous and underhanded disrespect for the users intelligence. restore partitions replaced media and the average consumer started getting coddled at the 4th grade level for everything from return and repairs to power user options and even system administration.

    build your own. pick an OS you like that helps you do what you want, not what some think tank in a conference room whiteboarded. And as for lenovo, you can have my full size aluminum tower when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

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    1. Re:no, just stop. by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Informative

      Superfish should be all the average slashdotter needs to know about this company

      Now you need to stop. The average slashdotter already knows that the Lenovo / superfish problem never included any ThinkPad laptops, period. It included basically every non-ThinkPad laptop made by Lenovo but no ThinPad ever shipped with superfish installed.

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    2. Re:no, just stop. by Carewolf · · Score: 2

      Superfish was never on the ThinkPads. I agree it reflects poorly on the company moral, but at least they know better than to try anything like that on their holy cash cow.

    3. Re:no, just stop. by Junta · · Score: 2

      One: Superfish was not exactly a Lenovo invention, it was crap shovelware that was gimped by their use of highly insecure Komodia (which also got their insecure interception into other products, just Superfish via Lenovo was the most notorious vector). All the PC/laptop vendors were basically playing russian roulette with crapware to get costs down and Lenovo lost. The somewhat silver lining is that it was a wake up call to the industry that crapware comes with a very real and very high risk.

      Two: Superfish was part of the general cost cutting measures for cheap laptops that they thankfully spare the Thinkpad series from. Even 'ThinkVantage' design has been decreased over time as Microsoft beefed up in-box capabilities.

      Three: I agree it's rare for me to want to have a premade desktop and make my own (mainly because some of the components I like are generally tied to needlessly high end other poarts), but there's not realistic options in the portable space.

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    4. Re:no, just stop. by Kurrelgyre · · Score: 1

      How'd Apple get thrown under the same bus? All but one of their laptop models is still 16:10!

    5. Re:no, just stop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chopping 256 horizontal pixels off a 2560x1440 16:9 display is *not* how you make a 16:10 display.

  24. 701c or go home by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 1

    give us the butterfly! The only cool IBM laptop.

    Blue enter key? Are you kidding me?

    Also, some OS/2

    1. Re:701c or go home by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'd give my interest in hell for a copy of OS/2 for Pens.

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    2. Re:701c or go home by DigiShaman · · Score: 0

      Try the X1 carbon. Very lightweight and powerful. It's the Windows equivalent of a MacBook Air. Internal storage is SSD.

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  25. Yes! Yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Imagine a blue enter key, 7 row classic keyboard, 16:10 aspect ratio screen, multi-color ThinkPad logo, dedicated volume controls, rubberized paint, exposed screws, lots of status LEDs, and more."

    Yes, that's EXACTLY what has been preventing me all these years from buying a laptop. The rubberized paint and exposed screws especially; I was DYING for those.

  26. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    We started getting the latest batch of X250's and the only LEDs are on the power button and the dot of the i in ThinkPad!? It's impossible to know if it's doing anything at times and it's frustrating as hell.

    As far as OS you might want to give Linux Mint a try. They do a respectable job of polishing Ubuntu into a quite capable system.

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  27. And a steam release, pressure gauge, and governor by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    I mean, if you're going to go old school, you need to go old school.

    FWIW, I thought the colored stuff on the old thinkpads was pretty awful anyway. Kind of how we knew parachute pants and double shoulder pads were a bad idea. Fun to look back and laugh at, but not something we really need to bring back.

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  28. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by Luthair · · Score: 1

    For a technical user why are lights even needed? I have a macbook from work and find it incredibly annoying the damn keyboard lights won't stay off.

  29. Aritcle about a POSSIBLE new product??? by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    Talk about vapor ware!

    Worse, the vaporware they are talking about doesn't even have anything new - it's just talking about design elements and style - that a company MIGHT return to.

    Hey, can I write an article about a theoretically possible new car that has an expresso machine built into the engine, using it for heat?

    How about my pipe dream of a house where all the furniture is built into the walls?

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  30. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    For a technical user why are lights even needed?

    Because wiring closets are often poorly lit, and some of us work in the real world. I've been a lab administrator, that's nice work. It's not all work.

    I have a macbook from work and find it incredibly annoying the damn keyboard lights won't stay off.

    That's funny given that macs are supposed to just work, but how does it reflect on the concept of a backlit keyboard that doesn't suck?

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  31. Link to original Lenovo Post by SgtKeeling · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a link to the actual blog post from Lenovo. At the end the author says, "If you think Lenovo should make the retro inspired ThinkPad, or have suggestions on how to make it better, please post your comments here. We're listening."

  32. Thinkpads are not really customizable by alantus · · Score: 4, Informative

    After buying some Thinkpads X230, I discovered that I can only use the mini-pci slot with cards approved by Lenovo, and included in their stupid BIOS whitelist.
    I won't buy a Thinkpad again until Lenovo stops this abhorrent practice.
    And please, no more excuses for this behavior.

    This could never happen with an opensource BIOS.

    1. Re:Thinkpads are not really customizable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Thank you for this information, this means no Lenovo purchases for me. The even the pre-installed spyware issue was smaller than this, as I use Linux anyway.

    2. Re:Thinkpads are not really customizable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can hack the BIOS to remove the whitelist. Or you can download prehacked BIOS.

    3. Re:Thinkpads are not really customizable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This could never happen with an opensource BIOS.

      And is that not exactly what coreboot is?

      At this point in time, anyone still bitching about the admittedly stupid whitelist has only themselves to blame...

    4. Re:Thinkpads are not really customizable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconded. Had the same problem with my thinkpad x130e and will never do lenovo again. They will not even boot if you try to use a minipci-e card in that slot that isnt on lenovo's whitelist.

      Wanted to run an atheros so I didnt have to use blobs. Im not against them shipping with intel cards, but at least let me change it!

    5. Re:Thinkpads are not really customizable by fufufang · · Score: 1

      Rumour says the PCI whitelist is no longer the case in the latest generation Thinkpad. I haven't tried it out myself personally though.
      http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog...

    6. Re:Thinkpads are not really customizable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought an X240 in a hurry after breaking the screen on my X230.
      I wish I could have my X230 back (screen can't be fixed ...)
      I do kinda hate the X240
              - keyboard feels bad
              - touch pad is TOO big (I don't use it) but you still need it for the button which have abhorrent feedback (you don't know if you click)
              - there is no caps lock led
              - stuck with 8GB
              - ... bla bla bla other stuff I forgot I got used to thus I forgot I hate

      anyway I started with X200 (I think) and I DO feel people should get off my lawn and also stop fucking the thinkpad line more with each iteration

    7. Re:Thinkpads are not really customizable by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      Posting from the X201 I use in the kitchen. Admittedly I do have it plugged into a 24" 16:10 monitor because of the lousy screen. It has the best keyboard in the building though.

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  33. Or... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    How about an Amiga made with current technology? I think there would be a bigger demand for that than for another thinkpad....

    1. Re:Or... by neilo_1701D · · Score: 1

      How about an Amiga made with current technology?

      Amiga fanatic from way back here.

      When you say "Amiga with current technology", what exactly are you referring to?

      Both CPU lines the Amiga used are dead.
      The true power of the Amiga was how the custom chips worked together; those chips hit an evolutionary dead end about the time Windows 95 was released
      The OS, whilst remarkable at the time, is sadly lacking in comparison to today's OS's in terms of services offered (think TCP/IP, for a start)
      Amiga, Inc have tried many iterations of a business plan to get going again (think partnership with Tao Group etc)
      What applications are there that would drive sales of this device?

      Don't get me wrong: I almost always update Amiga Forever to keep an Amiga running for nostalgic reasons. But if a new piece of hardware was available, what would it actually contain, and (more importantly) why buy it?

    2. Re:Or... by Burz · · Score: 1

      Steve Jobs once said the Amiga was an inspiration for the NeXT computer (as I recall, he was quoted in BYTE magazine). What made the NeXT really interesting was not just on the software side (with heavy object-orientation and display postscript) but also in its hardware: DSP, smart IO controllers and plenty of DMA channels echo the Amiga's coprocessors attached to DMA channels.

    3. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sad, but true. I miss the Amiga. I'm another fan from way back, however looking back as far as 2004, what could be gained from the system was entering it's twilight. the custom chipset could no longer keep up with processors 10x their speed. advanced sound and graphics chips were available to the consumer, well exceeding the capabilities of the Amiga. the lessons of the architecture have been moved over to current day, when I see integrated sound, video, and input becoming more integrated as time goes by. Due to it's age and difficulty to copy, I think it is better to take the ideas from the old and recreate them in current world. I like to think of it as that once people have tasted something better, they know better can exist, and will strive to find it again. When they cannot find it, they will remake it,

  34. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    It's impossible to know if it's doing anything at times and it's frustrating as hell.

    You mean a HDD light? Then why not an USB light, CPU light or RAM light?

  35. Still has the Fn key where it doesn't belong! by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    I've always hated the Fn key position, I use the Ctrl key way to often to like that.

    That being said my W540 is the best laptop I've ever used.

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    1. Re:Still has the Fn key where it doesn't belong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      X120E has a swappable Ctrl/Fn key. The key cap pops off and there's a BIOS setting to swap the keys. But X120E is really warm....

      It is the annoying thing about Lenovo -- you can't get everything that you want in one package, but you can get everything you don't want in multiple packages.

    2. Re:Still has the Fn key where it doesn't belong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's an option in the BIOS to flip them. I don't even look at the keycaps, so it's all good.

  36. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by Carewolf · · Score: 1

    Neat idea. But please ditch the old keyboard light. It was cute back in the 90ies, but seriously not anymore.
    Individually lighted, dimable keys please. If Apple can do it, so can you.

    I prefer top lighting, but it doesn't really matter. It is a feature I use only a few times a year.

  37. Do it. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps Lenovo, even if they don't actually build this particular widget, should think very carefully about the fact that "Hey, what if we released a product that was just like what Thinkpads were before we started fucking with them?" is the most exciting idea they've had in a long time.

    That may not be fun feedback; but it's important to know your strengths; and your limits.

  38. I'd buy one today by thebryce · · Score: 1

    I've owned a number of thinkpads since the mid 90's. great machines. I'm thinking about buying a new laptop now and would be all over a thinkpad with retro styling.

    1. Re:I'd buy one today by tgharold · · Score: 1

      I suggest waiting for the T450/T550 to hit the street. Even without the retro styling, the biggest change seems to be the re-introduction of physical mouse keys at the top of the touchpad. Which is the biggest annoyance that I have with the 540 series.

  39. Hell Yeah! by jomcty · · Score: 1

    Hell Yeah! Can I swap my $h!ty W541 laptop out for one? God this laptop sux!

  40. I'll buy one now by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Please Lenovo, take my money. :-)

    Seriously, this may end up a very good example of a company finally getting the message and listening to what customers want. I have been a huge ThinkPad fan for ages, even when they were made by IBM and impossible to afford unless your company bought one for you. The last three generations of ThinkPad T-series models have taken away the traditional IBM keyboard (although the replacement is still half-decent), TrackPoint buttons and LED indicators, probably in an attempt to look like a MacBook Pro. The last model (T450/550) restored the buttons on the TrackPoint, but still lacks the lower physical buttons on the touchpad.

    All this time, all the traditionalists have bitterly complained and taken their money elsewhere. I'm living with the T540p now, hate the touchpad but I can't find another non-rugged laptop that can take the daily abuse it gets. (Funny note - being a product engineer for our company, I just had a meeting with a bunch of product managers last month. Each one of them had an identical MacBook Air. I hauled out my monster ThinkPad, and they said, "Heh, we need to get you a new laptop.")

    It's kind of like Windows 8. Yes, _most_ people like shiny flashy things; that's why Apple products sell well. But there's another market segment that appreciates solid design and functionality. Alienating these people, who have just as much money to spend as the shiny flashy people do, is a good way to lose customers!

    1. Re:I'll buy one now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disclaimer: I currently own a MacBook Pro and a few ThinkPads.

      You don't think the MacBook Air is rugged compared to a T540? Have you tried dropping both from the same height? Magnesium-alloy frames are strong, but brittle. Aluminum is softer and may dent, but a dented "frame" is usually better than a cracked frame. Also, is the MacBook Air's SSD susceptible to kinetic shock damage like the spinning disk offered in the default builds of most ThinkPads? ThinkPads do have that spill-resistant keyboard though... that's pretty nice.

      A ThinkPad is not necessarily more rugged than a MacBook Air. However, a ThinkPad is far more modular, upgradable, and repairable than a MacBook Air... but it's also heavier and probably doesn't have as good of a battery life (per charge). Linux also tends to play a little more nicely with ThinkPads than Macs.

      There's no need to be an ass to everyone who decides to buy an Apple product. Some people buy Apple products because they're shiny and flashy, sure, as a status symbol. Some people buy them because they're usually great (though certainly far from perfect), durable pieces of hardware. Some people buy them because they can run just about any OS you'd want. Some people buy them because of the legendary service and support. Some people buy Macs because they "don't get viruses" (yea, I know). There's all sorts of good reasons to consider buying a Mac if the price fits one's budget.

    2. Re:I'll buy one now by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

      Most of the traditionalists don't hate Apple products -- I don't, I have an iPhone and a MacBook at home. The problem is that Lenovo just saw Apple as the design leader, when the reality is that they are the design leader _in the market segment they're famous for catering to._ ThinkPads are workhorses, boring solid business laptops that people in that segment like. Turning them into a consumer-focused MacBook clone to chase some kind of hipster cred that is exclusively the domain of Apple made them not appeal to those who liked their boxy solid nature.

      It's just interesting that Lenovo is even thinking about walking back their design choices. Their design blog has a post from a few years ago that basically tells people they need to get over the loss of the old keyboard because it's not coming back. They touted the new clicky trackpad as an awesome new thing even when their customers told them it was awful. The fact that they're even thinking about a "ThinkPad Classic" line is a big shift, kind of like Microsoft deciding to walk back at least some of their poor design choices in Windows 10. I just hope they don't decide to charge $4000 for the privilege.

    3. Re:I'll buy one now by carou · · Score: 1

      Yes, _most_ people like shiny flashy things; that's why Apple products sell well.

      Yeah. 75 million people per quarter buy Apple products because they're shiny and flashy.

      It couldn't possibly be because they're also solidly designed and functional.

    4. Re:I'll buy one now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a traveling consultant/computer geek. I am in the market for a new laptop and cannot find one that I think will work well for me.

      I bought a Sony ultrabook last year but after 6 months of back and forth RMAs to get it to a working state, I finally sold it on eBay because the keyboard was hard to use for long stretches of typing. (Because of this experience I will never buy another Sony product again, just for the record)

      Over the past few months, I've read many review and have been poised to buy several different laptops--until I had a chance to try them out in person and found their keyboards were significantly worse than the 5 year old laptop I have now.

      I type about 90 wpm. I need to continue to type about 90 wpm to do my job effectively. I love the idea of a thin and light-weight ultrabook, but all of the models I have seen firsthand suffer from keyboards that are unusable for extended high-speed typing.

      Based on all the laptops I've tried, I think the culprit is a combination of shallow key travel and high force to depress a key. My 5 year old laptop has moderate key travel and requires very little key force. I went to Best Buy 3 times to see an HP Spectre that had received rave reviews on every front. I was trying to like it, but couldn't get past the keyboard. Ironically, the keyboard had received great reviews, but I found the keys to be shallow and to require a lot of force to depress and so it was tiring after about a minute of high speed typing.

      I've come to the conclusion that I'm not going to find an ultrabook that has the keyboard characteristics I need. I know I'm not asking for too much, because on one trip to Best Buy I took a quick look at the keyboard "cover" on a Microsoft Surface. That keyboard was very thin and it felt like a dream to type on. Problem is--I really don't want a Microsoft Surface. The rest of its specs aren't that great, but I suppose it's not out of the question that I end up with one. Typing is my number 1 need, weight, performance and battery life (the holy grail) is my second cluster of criteria. Maybe it's time to go back and look at the Surface line again... Ugh.

    5. Re:I'll buy one now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look at the market consumers don't go for solid design and functional. People buy all sorts of useless shit because of shiny flashy.

      E.g. Beats headphones, the most popular headphones on the market and also some of the most poorly built, expensive and poor sounding headphones every made.

      Smart companies know what people like, and most people (read consumers, not your typical slashdot crowd who like things like Thinkpads) like the trend of the day.

  41. Well there'll be a catch, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The price? $3000 at the very least.

    Boutique pricing is what you get when concepts like "design language" start being thrown around.

  42. *led* not lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "And although technological advances over the past two decades have lead to Lenovo ThinkPads that are lighter, much faster"

    _Sigh_ It's "have led to", not "have lead to"

  43. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by Junta · · Score: 1

    They do that. My broadwell X1 Carbon has nicely backlit keyboard (though I never use it).

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  44. Re:Holy Cow - token ring anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still have my PCMCIA token ring card, anybody still have a working hub on their lawn ?

  45. s/Could/Might/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could is not news.
    Might is.

  46. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    CPU and RAM lights would be constantly on (although I have seen gauges with multiple LEDs like on Apple Xserves). USB devices that shift between active and inactive states (HDDs, thumb drives, etc) have their own activity LEDs; no need for an LED on the bus. Although this reminds me of one quirk of Macs that I hate: the NICs have no LEDs, so testing jack on/off state is harder to do with a MacBook or iMac.

  47. Don't forget the other modern change... no qa by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    Thinkpads used to be good, but after having been burned and/or frustrated by several recent Lenovo purchases, I'm loathe to buy from them again. Doesn't seem to matter what it is... servers... laptops... it seems that all their care about nowadays is that when you push the power button it turns on. Whether it works properly after that is a different question entirely.

    If the original Thinkpads were released with the quality Lenovo puts out now, they would never have been heralded as the durable workhorse they had been.

  48. Can't justify the expense? Kickstarter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Please remember actually bringing a retro inspired ThinkPad to market would require significant sales volumes to justify the development effort and tooling expense..."

    So kickstart it.

  49. Sign me up! by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    Perhaps Lenovo reads their mail. I have sent many suggestions to them like this.

  50. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by ssam · · Score: 1

    i've had thinkpads with both the top led and the backlit keyboard. I prefer the latter, but it is quite nice to have the LED illuminate your work space a little. Maybe there could be room for both.

  51. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That word hipster. Why do people insist on using it to describe things that are popular? That is the exact opposite of what hipsterism is.

  52. Spot-on by H_Fisher · · Score: 1

    I bought a Thinkpad W540 in January, and I love it. Hasn't crashed once, battery life is ample. My biggest problem is lack of HDD light (I want to see drive status, but can't) and the fact that the plastic bezel around the monitor pops loose occasionally (annoying, but doesn't stop me from using it, and not a big enough deal for me to act on it). They've got a winning idea here -- appeal to a sense of nostalgia among a demographic that won't mind paying a little extra for something "collectable" that's also functional.

  53. innovation by swell · · Score: 1

    Not sure if this is actually an innovation, but it is a rare attempt to 'think different'. Remember that phrase? As an Apple evangelist for 36 years, I appreciate anything that goes beyond 'clone' status. Anyone who moves technology forward. Do we want adventurous leaders in our industry or do we want commodity followers?

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  54. Old ThinkPad logo by kelarius · · Score: 0

    Ugh, I forgot how obnoxious the old ThinkPad logo was, PLEASE dont bring that back...

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  55. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by operator_error · · Score: 1

    My IBM ThinkPad T440p has a lighted keyboard with two levels of brightness. The best keyboard I've ever had in a notebook, and it has a nipple too! The rugged yet lightweight black boxy design is nice too.

  56. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    How about a huge array of LEDs for all IRQ lines?

  57. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

    +1 to that.

    Windows is no longer useful to the power user or developer in a corporate environment (that doesn't grok these things), just because security policy will usually demand that your computer is made to be useless, because an unrestrained computer is a powerful general purpose tool, and in most people's hands, a powerful tool is going to lead to unpleasant injuries fairly quickly.

    The effort then required to work around the security so you can actually do your job gives me an acid stomach. The new fad is whitelisting, which means I have to approve of every program that I run on my machine. Including the ones I write. Even batch files.

    Oh, but not new JAR files. >-<

    Security theatre, makes you sick. People are making big bucks off this shite.

  58. 16:10 by neminem · · Score: 1

    16:10 again? Yes please very much.

    None of those things sound like 1992... I don't think there even *were* widescreen laptops in 1992? I certainly never saw them, at least - was all 4:3 back then. I don't remember seeing too many 16:10 laptop screens until the mid-2000s?

    16:10 is definitely my preferred aspect ratio, so if this were to happen, and I could get it with everything else I would want in a laptop (17" screen, decent graphics card, SSD primary and large HDD secondary drive) for a reasonable price, I would absolutely jump on that. My laptop is getting kinda old, but I haven't upgraded in years because we're stuck on 16:9.

    1. Re:16:10 by Burz · · Score: 1

      I second that. Anything between 16:10 and 4:3 would be an improvement. 16:9 doesn't suit the presentation of data.

    2. Re:16:10 by neminem · · Score: 1

      4:3 really wouldn't be that much of an improvement, either. A small one, but I remember the jump from 4:3 to 16:10 *very* fondly. I'm not against change, just against *stupid* change. 16:10 is optimal for just about everything. (Yes, even playing 16:9 media: in that specific use case, it leaves just enough space for controls. ;))

  59. specs and price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever, show me the specs and price.

    And I have been using ThinkPads since 2005, for both work and home; nice machine, good feel, but only fair specs.

  60. One word: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Superfish

    Shove it!

  61. I like the idea but for one thing by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

    I can't go back to a laptop without touch. I still have and use my thinkpad T500 as a test machine. Every time I use it for more than a few minutes I tap the screen and feel frustration that it doesn't do what I want. Touch should just be standard these days.

  62. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple is the source of evil in laptop design. Chiclet keys, simplfied (dumb-down) controls and indicators, elimination of connectors, always-on lighted keys, the damned brand-pufferery that makes the logo on the lid point the wrong way (oriented so that it can impress people who walk toward you when you have the lid open rather that the more helpful way that indicates how to turn it when you want to open the lid). In short, it's the company I wish people *would not* copy.

  63. I already know I want one by lfp98 · · Score: 1

    to finally replace the R50 I bought refurbished 10 years ago. Will it have a parallel port?

  64. Re:Four words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thinkpads never had it

    Also, that's 3 words.

  65. This would be great if... by johnwfran · · Score: 2

    ... it included the tank like build quality of the old ThinkPads and wasn't just a visual overhaul.

    1. Re:This would be great if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would be great if it included the tank like build quality of the old ThinkPads and wasn't just a visual overhaul.

      ^ This. Should be an immediate +10 Informative. There is a demand for old-school quality; a machine that can take me through the next 7 years without breaking a sweat, and could easily make it 10. But first, Lenovo needs to prove it's dumped it race-to-the-bottom conumer cheap shit quality mentality.

      I'd love to buy a modern true ThinkPad. But it will require Lenovo re-proving that and earning my trust again before I'd buy it.

  66. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    I never liked Apples Keyboard light, I ended up disabling it. As when it there is dim light, the keyboard letters are at the same light color as the key background making it hard to read.

    The thinkpad light can light up other stuff such as any paper you are looking at too.

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  67. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    HDD, WiFi, Bluetooth. If I'm having issues with one and the light is off I know they hardware is turned off. Without the LED the OS can only report to me the state it sees which may or may not be hardware related.

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  68. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by Luthair · · Score: 1

    To me a technical user doesn't need to see the keys to type.

  69. If they can match quality... by sshir · · Score: 1

    For what it's worth: I've got good old T41. It's running 1.6MHz Pentium M on 2Gb RAM. I've installed SSD and Lubuntu 14.04 (with forcepae). Works great! Funny thing - I've already got rid of much more up to date notebooks, but this one is such a pleasure to use, it's still sits on the side of my desk, powered 24/7 for quick lookups, experiments and what not.

    1. Re:If they can match quality... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I'm using T41s around my house for media players. They just don't die.

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  70. How about they re-release the 701C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with the butterfly keyboard? I college wanted one in more than I did the girl in 715 JQA...

  71. I might get crucified but.. by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Intellipoint controller is the single best pointing device I have ever used. Better then a mouse because there are 4 less fingers away from the keyboard. Don't even get me started on touchpads, they are so inaccurate it is laughable.

    If I want to buy a laptop and want to use it regularly for a long time without having to think about buying another, I buy a Thinkpad.

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    1. Re:I might get crucified but.. by eric2hill · · Score: 1

      I was right there with you until I got my MacBook Air. Apple has really nailed the touchpad. It's far better than any other touchpad I've ever used. The trackpoint is good, but the touchpad done right is great. I haven't had a chance to use the force touch thing yet, but it seems to be an incremental improvement by the clear leader.

      That said, the Mac keyboard is a distinct step down from the ThinkPad keyboard. If Lenovo could license the Mac touchpad, or Mac would license the ThinkPad keyboard, they would have my credit card on day 1.

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    2. Re:I might get crucified but.. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Usually all I want from a pointing device is to be able to hit the spot between two characters on an 8-pt font and drag to a spot between two other characters. Touchpads just aren't as accurate for that. Also, I've never really understood how to drag across a distance that is longer than the touchpad. I seem to always end up with my finger at the edge of the pad. I have a mac that I use for development and I've tried the various finger swipes but none of them seem to fit with how I work with a computer.

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  72. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

    Gosh, you are the most awesome person ever. Can I subscribe to your newsletter? Man, I wish I was as cool as you.

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  73. I'm buying! Give me two!!!11 by virens · · Score: 2

    As a proud owner of Thinkpad 420 and X201, I want to say definitive YES! to this idea.

    An ideal notebook will have:
    1) a MATTE screen (no glassy nonsense, please!), preferably 4:3 (important for people who actually DO the job on the notebook instead watching films)
    2) traditional, normal, sane keyboard (no ridiculous chicklet, please!)
    3) decent computing power
    4) standard power cable (like on all other Thinkpads)
    5) ability to disassemble the whole thing with a screwdriver

    And like other Slashdotters said, "Lenovo! Give me that X300 and take my money!!" :-)

  74. Stand in line to purchase it? Where? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    There are no physical stores that sell ThinkPad laptops that I know of. Every ThinkPad I have purchased in the past decade or so I have ordered through their website.

    Though if they can make a new X300 and put it in ultrabook pricing, I would rush to their website to make it mine.

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  75. Re: Literally the only useful thing to me by 1000101 · · Score: 1

    IT Developers should be local administrators on their machine. If not, the company "is doing it wrong". Your complaints have nothing to do with the OS and everything to do with bad policy.

  76. How is this a "throwback"? by kevmeister · · Score: 1

    I'm confused. I have a T320. It's about three years old. With two minor changes, the "mock-up" picture is identiacl to my T520. The only differences I can see are the ugly "ThinkPad" logo which in no way is reminiscent of the old, multicolor IBM logo.and the status LEDs being moved from the bottom edge of the lid to the keyboard where they replace the useless "ThinkVantage" button.

    Identical TrackPad and buttons. Identical fingerprint reader. Not very different. Makes me wonder what the latest ThinkPads look like, that a three year old system could be considered a "throw-back" to the old 700. They already brought back the most glaring "lost" feature when the new T450 restored the TrackPoint, a feature I consider essential as it "fixed" my RSI issues. (I just disable that silly touchpad.)

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  77. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

    Because wiring closets are often poorly lit.

    Somebody mod that up. I got no points when I need them.
    I might add, lights also come in handy when servicing blackouts and your UPS's are gasping their last breath, and on red-eye flights.

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  78. Re: Literally the only useful thing to me by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

    And the policy has a lot to do with the OS and the design of it's default apps, which encourage people to shoot themselves in the foot.

    * No "executable" flag for files
    * Hiding file extensions by default
    * The whole notion of embedding arbitrary binary code in webpages (ActiveX)
    * Training people to click "yes" on everything by spamming approval dialogs for everything

    Even as a local administrator, and with the rights to approve of any executable, this whitelisting software was an obstacle. And sucked performance out of everything - some I/O heavy operations took 7 times longer because it wanted to hash every file. I agree it was spectacularly bad policy, but if Windows wasn't so vulnerable to being infected with malware at the hands of its own user, it's not a policy that would be necessary.

  79. Like the idea, but.. by bsdasym · · Score: 1

    ...I still have two perfectly working Thinkpads; An IBM T50 (PIII, FreeBSD) and a Lenovo W510 (Core i5, Win7). The thing with a Thinkpad is.. you do not need to replace them every year, or even every five. Both of them have the thinklight, blue enter button, trackpoint, lots of blinkenlites, etc. If they'd ditch the trackpad entirely on a T or W series, I'd consider getting a third.

  80. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An HD LED is not an unreasonable request. An easy visual check to verify that your double-click actually kicked off what you wanted to do is useful. Don't be such a tool.

  81. Re:Holy Cow - token ring anyone? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I broke the cable on mine plugging it into an ethernet port on a badly built computer; one of the little tags that fold over on the case was in the socket.

    The irony being that (as I know now) it wouldn't have worked anyway.

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  82. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    Oh, right. I forgot Linux users, who cannot reliably know if their double-click actually performs the desired function or not.

  83. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by Fencepost · · Score: 1

    Not sure what they're doing on the current line, but my T430 has 4 levels: off, low backlight, high backlight, screen-mounted light.

    I use the backlit options all the time, don't think I've ever done much but blow past the overhead light though.

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  84. Regulatory approval issue? by Fencepost · · Score: 1

    I suspect that this is a regulatory issue related to the fact that they treat those cards as field-replaceable items. Since almost all of the cards used are going to be wireless adapters linking into the built-in antennas, they may only be whitelisting cards for which they ran testing.

    I got burned by this trying to switch someone with cheap ThinkPad Edge systems over to 5GHz - turned out those cheap systems were sold with no choice of wireless, so the whitelist was very short. We ended up replacing some network infrastructure instead.

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    1. Re:Regulatory approval issue? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      This is my understanding as well. Wireless cards are approved as part of the entire system including the antenna so only those cards which were tested may be used. The FCC would not approve the laptop without these restrictions.

  85. I need an upgrade, keyword upgrade... by sd4f · · Score: 1

    I'm still using a T43. Never upgraded because with each subsequent model, the laptops started to lose just about all the features that made thinkpads special, such as the lid latches, thinklight (which shines slightly to the side of the keyboard to light up pperwork you might have next to it), superior keyboard layout. 16:10 resolution is also one thing which is far better than 16:9, certainly when you consider that it's meant to be for 'those who do'.

    I remember reading that there was an internal memo in lenovo, one or two years ago, about how they were worried about losing so much of the business market to apple. I can't help but think that they've been losing business sales with the consecutive feature drops. I still find it crazy that they dropped the trackpoint buttons, and glad to see that they brought them back so quickly when they realised that people actually do want buttons. While some aspects of this announcement are interesting, others are a bit too nostalgic. Classic thinkpads have always been function over form, hopefully they don't lose sight of this by adding silly amounts of leds or skimping on quality, furthermore, that colourful thinkpad logo needs a complete rethink, also the renders are missing forward and back keys on the keyboard, that needs to be corrected.

    With that said, I definitely need an upgrade, my T43 is quite tired, battery life is poor and I really do want to get something which functions as well, just with modern hardware and excellent battery life. I most certainly get one, more if it's unfortunately a one off model.

  86. I like the idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully more manufacturers in all sectors will see that this is a good idea.

    I for one, would love for Apple to issue a 15th anniversary version of the Mac Cube, but again, with today's tech in it. Also... they could make it out of something that didn't crack so easily, which was I think part of what did it in in the first place. They're such experts with glass now, maybe use THAT!

    Also, Ford... ford should release an updated technologically but stylistically as close as they can to identical, 2016 (1964 1/2) Mustang! That'd be sweet!

    What's old is new again! From what I hear, we may even be getting another president named Clinton! Can you imagine it? But totally updated with today's technology! The older model had a penis, (and remember the trouble THAT caused?) This upgraded model is penis-free, though I understand it does come with one attached to a "husband" so if you ever felt you missed that... it's there, is all I'm saying.

    I know none of this really has much to do with Lenovo, but it follows the theme of blasts from the past!

    1. Re:I like the idea by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      Also, Ford... ford should release an updated technologically but stylistically as close as they can to identical, 2016 (1964 1/2) Mustang! That'd be sweet!

      That is exactly what they have been doing since 2005. You never noticed?

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  87. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

    +1 to that.

    Windows is no longer useful to the power user or developer in a corporate environment (that doesn't grok these things), just because security policy will usually demand that your computer is made to be useless,

    Which is why every place I've ever worked in the last 10 years has a "Dev" environment not on the corp network. We have a whole bunch of Windows VMs on a separate network specifically for such users to allow them to do their jobs.

  88. Re: Literally the only useful thing to me by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

    some I/O heavy operations took 7 times longer because it wanted to hash every file.

    This always throws me when using newer Windows. The computer appears to hang, eventually a UAC prompt appears, and only then does the file copy actually begin.

    Seems glitchy, yet this is the expected behaviour!

    Another pet peeve is that Windows aligns non-resolution independant program text to the subpixel grid before scaling it on a high DPI screen. The result is a blurry mess.

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  89. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

    Windows has that problem all the time when UAC gets involved in my experience. The prompt can be quite slow to appear depending on current disk I/O.

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  90. no physical stores that sell ThinkPad laptops? by tresho · · Score: 1

    Microcenter is currently offering 13 Thinkpad models at its retail outlets. Sometimes they even sell refurbs of older models.

    1. Re:no physical stores that sell ThinkPad laptops? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Microcenter is currently offering 13 Thinkpad models at its retail outlets.

      Maybe the one near me is just specifically selected not to carry them, then. I haven't seen a recent (ie, not refurb) ThinkPad in there in years.

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  91. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by KGIII · · Score: 1

    You, seemingly, will find any way to be irate. This can not be good for your health. You could try, I don't know, not using an Apple? I do not like them so I do not use them. I do not make it a point to bash them or find reasons to not like them. I do not like them because I have not taken the time to become familiar with their operating system and while I do own a slightly older MacBook it seldom gets turned on unless a guest wishes to make use of it. I bought it to learn about them because a few people kept asking me to work on them.

    Anyhow, seriously... Being worked up and "concerned" is not a good state to be in. If you do not like it then you have a bunch of choices. Letting something control you, as you are doing, is giving it power over you and doing so is absurd, especially when it is something you do not like. Take it with a grain of salt but, seriously, either get professional help or just let it go.

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  92. NOW!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Where can I buy one? I want one... yesterday! That's a great idea, lenovo's been copying apple (like everybody else) for too long now. I'd buy one immediately if this were true!!!!!! Last month I discarded the idea of buying the T540: the screen looked pityful, the touchpad looked bad, and there's no hd leds. Seriously? Why? Just because apple has scrapped them. If you copy apple, at least provide some decent screen resolution like they do. What are you waiting for? Get a decent thinkpad out again and I'll buy it now.

  93. Thinkpad fan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've owned a T40p, a T41, an X60 (I'm typing on it now), a T42 (which is my mediacenter now), a T60 (which died because of the NVIDIA bug, otherwise I'd still be using it) and I bought my wife a T300.

    I STOPPED buying thinkpads now and switched to a thinkpad clone by Samsung: new Thinkpads are crap now. Please bring them back. If Lenovo is really going to bring them back, I'd immediately buy two: one for me and one for my wife. PLEASE DO IT!!!! And put some good screen resolution in, will you?

  94. Re:Literally the only useful thing to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ty for "allowing" me to do my job.

    WTF do you work there?

  95. Butterfly Keyboard by jpatters · · Score: 1

    They should remake the Butterfly Keyboard. I'd buy that.

    --
    "Remember, there never were pineapple-almond cookies here."
  96. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by zlogic · · Score: 1

    I've owned laptops with such lights for years and this feels more natural than backlit keys. You can actually see your hands and a bit of background instead of a bright glowing screen and bright letters in complete darkness. Cheap backlit keyboards also leak light, especially when looking from an angle.

    And if you touch type the letters don't matter at all, you only need the light to find the keyboard.

    Can't say I prefer one to another, but these lights do provide some advantages over backlit keyboards.

  97. Re:*Please* don't use the old-style keyboard light by jcfandino · · Score: 2

    Key layout it's been the same for 100+ years. Can't you just memorize it? It's not that hard.
    I'd say, no backlight and sturdy non-chiclet keys like they use to have.
    I wish all the manufacturers (specially lenovo) stop copying Apple's 'cool' designs.
    This is Thinkpad we're talking, people don't look up on classic models for the color if the Enter key, but because they were trusty machines, unbreakable, good battery life, mate high resolution displays and a very good keyboard for a laptop.