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Netflix Is Becoming Just Another TV Channel

An anonymous reader writes: Netflix revealed in a blog post that it will not renew its contract with Epix, meaning you won't be able to watch movies like The Hunger Games and World War Z through the service anymore. With the increase in cord-cutters and more original content, Netflix is positioning itself to be like any other TV channel (one that owns its own distribution model) and is betting that customers won't miss the Epix content. Chief Content Officer Ted Sarandos says, "While many of these movies are popular, they are also widely available on cable and other subscription platforms at the same time as they are on Netflix and subject to the same drawn out licensing periods."

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  1. Epix was one reason they were forced to stream... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    rather than offer a reliable download and buffer model, so this might be good news in the long run. I live in Seattle, and I don't know anyone with a connection fast enough to stream Netflix. It sucks that this area is missing out on so much since we have such slow connections. Even though my 160 kbps connection is so slow, I can still spend a few days downloading a movie to watch. That is what I really want. Hopefully dropping Epix opens Netflix up to a lot more potential non-streaming customers.

  2. I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Chas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I want something that allows me to watch movies and/or episode-based content AS *I* want.

    Their offerings of content have continued to get slimmer in the recent couple of years. And I'm finding myself using them less and less.

    If Netflix stops delivering that content altogether, I stop subscribing.

    And, if we start seeing ADS attached to the content, I'm fucking outta there so fast the wind of my passing will bowl you over.

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    1. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I agree with this. I like to watch my random movies and the like when *I* Want. currently Netflix is the only service I use.. but stuff I want to watch is getting slimmer. I Love the crap outta some of their original content (Daredevil, and a few other series) but that itself isn't enough on it's own to keep me subscribing, and like the parent said the wind shall knock thee down if I see a single ad....EVER. I don't PAY you to serve me ads, I pay in part to to avoid that crap.

    2. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you not heard of bittorrent?

      Monopolies in capitalism are bad, copyright law gives monopolies. Don't support it.
      Its sad that piracy has better service than paid services, but its reality.

    3. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinda hard to beat when those same companies lobby for legislation that inhibits capitalism.

    4. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by mark-t · · Score: 1

      This may sound like a foreign concept to you, but some people actually may want, or at least have a strong preference to respect copyright law.

      That you may disagree with it for whatever philosophical reasons you possess has no bearing on that...

    5. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      I want something that allows me to watch movies and/or episode-based content AS *I* want.

      Their offerings of content have continued to get slimmer in the recent couple of years. And I'm finding myself using them less and less.

      If Netflix stops delivering that content altogether, I stop subscribing.

      And, if we start seeing ADS attached to the content, I'm fucking outta there so fast the wind of my passing will bowl you over.

      That's precisely why I dropped Netflix 3 to 4 years ago. Around 2011 they had a falling out with movie studios. They we no longer offering many new movies for streaming and the only way you could get them was via DVD rental. Also, Redbox became popular around that time and filled that niche for me. Between that and Amazon streaming, I'm all set. And now HBO has a streaming service. Maybe that's one the reasons why Netflix is backing off of movies.

      The only thing now keeping me on cable is sports. I wish that the NFL would hurry up and offer a streaming option. I'm all set for Hockey with NHL Gamecenter Live, though its annoying that it doesn't include the Stanley Cup Playoffs in the US (still need cable or over the air for that).

    6. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For TV it doesn't matter. Those shows are fully funded before release so I don't care if I contribute to their ratings.

    7. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care about new movies, just old TV.
      I watch the various Star Trek series, House, Cheers, Burn Notice, Ally McBeal, Firefly, Futurama, Parks and Recreation, Chuck, Psych,...
      That's what Netflix is for to me.

    8. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by TWX · · Score: 1

      If you don't contribute to their ratings then they get cancelled, even if they're funded. Funding can be withdrawn and applied to other programs, leaving a TV series orphaned without a resolution.

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    9. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by TWX · · Score: 2

      I actually like physical media for old TV. If there's a technical problem I can probably still watch them and if I know I'm going somewhere that I'll be without service I can watch them if I take them along or rip them to file.

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    10. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      people have paid cable companies to ads for decades, which is of course why i cancelled but still it is the exception.

    11. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by gmack · · Score: 1

      I want something that allows me to watch movies and/or episode-based content AS *I* want.

      I think that's actually the point here. They are dropping the content with the annoying (probably regional) license restrictions in favour of content they can release in more flexible ways.

    12. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by mark-t · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They can get cancelled even if you *DO* contribute to their ratings...

      Anecdote:

      I was in a Nielson household once... from about '99 to '04. When a show that I really *really* liked ended up getting cancelled after barely more than half a season, despite me and my wife and 4 kids watching it every single week starting with the pilot, I ended up cancelling our participation in January '04, and had them take their equipment back. I know that it's not Nielson's fault that the show got cancelled, of course.... but that experience with trying to participate in their ratings program, and *STILL* seeing a show that I really liked get cancelled before it could even get started was very discouraging, and I kind of stopped seeing the point.

    13. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      It wasn't so much that they had a falling out with the movie stuidios as that the movie studios decided they could all each charge consumers directly. So we got a disney channel and a warner move channel and etc.

      None of which I subscribe to.

      Netflix was actually a bargain. It's less of a bargain today tho I still subscribe (for now).

      Once it's dead, I'll probably drop to subscribing to it every few years and perhaps go back to torrenting content (tho that's getting riskier than it used to be).

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    14. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want until they stop delivering content to actually stop subscribing, you're doing it wrong.

    15. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by zennyboy · · Score: 1

      I have to ask, what was "the show"?

    16. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Jake 2.0, on UPN.

    17. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by malignant_minded · · Score: 1

      I love their original content too and agree that is where they should put their efforts. Honestly they should just buy up college kids film projects and get more Sundance entries to fatten up their offerings. I don't mind digging through the crap if it's halfway decent, it's better than getting the same suggestions in different "categories". I think BoJack was a great adult animation addition and with as big of a name as Netflix I suspect this will continue to grow but they don't all have to be great. They could sponsor projects without putting Netflix original on it if they are afraid of a flop, they still own the rights and can brag later if it takes off.

    18. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by del_diablo · · Score: 1

      BitTorrent isn't good for discovery. Bittorrent will only get you what you know is.
      Half the magic of Netflix is that you get more.
      The downside is that their current is slim, and their outside of USA content is..... quite horrible.

    19. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The NFL does offer Gamepass, which is just what you're looking for. The only thing is that the US version doesn't let you livestream the games. Luckily, it's pretty simple to trick their site into thinking you're an international user by utilizing a few services (Unlocater being my personal choice).

    20. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But most subscribers aren't going to Netflix for their original content, they're going there because they've dumped traditional cable and satellite. So it's dumb for Netflix to explain that these movies are available elsewhere when their customers aren't going elsewhere. Maybe this is a move to get more streaming customers onto their DVD service? I'll watch a bunch of these movies before they vanish, but really I'm on Netflix for TV series, but the extra movies did make up my mind to go with Netflix instead of Hulu so it's disappointing to see the frosting taken off the cake.

      It's possible this is just another one of those situations where studios won't budge on prices and the entire providers get dropped in a game of chicken. I've seen DirecTV, Dish, and Comcast do this; then the viewers have to scroll past all the notices of "if you want this show, please contact FOX/Turner/Whoever".

    21. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by fredgiblet · · Score: 1

      Yeah. It's amusing to me to watch people complain about Netflix. It was an AMAZING bargain, now it's only a great deal. People got spoiled early on, they didn't realize how good they had it.

    22. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you're in the minority. I mean, I actually do want to respect the law, but copyright law as it is now and the profiteers thereof are so ludicrous and disreputable that people just don't care.

      Some people pirate and I'm ok with that. In my case, I seriously don't even trouble myself to pirate their crap. I don't buy music, movies, anything either. It just doesn't exist for me any more because I get ill at the notion of giving those copyright maximalists any of my money.

    23. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by amberdalan · · Score: 1

      agreed

    24. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by vakuona · · Score: 1

      Some shows are not funded for a whole season. Producers will only commit so much money while they wait for ratings to provide them with an indication of whether or not the show will make them a profit. So the fact that the producers were willing to fund half a season rather than just a pilot indicates that they were willing to risk a lot financially. The fact that it got cancelled means there wasn't enough interest. It is the way TV works unfortunately (unless you are a BBC type organisation which can fund a whole series without really caring about whether or not it is "profitable").

    25. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by malignant_minded · · Score: 1

      But from a financial perspective it is dumb to buy the same content that is available elsewhere and you lose leverage as someone can walk as they have so many other places to sell their movie. The are probably looking at the successes in their original content and wondering why they waste so much money on crap that litters everywhere else.

    26. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      has some bureaucrat aka mba that doesn't know wtf he's doing taken over netflix while we weren't watching?

      i for one sure as hell don't subscribe for their low quality homegrown shit. i can get that by subscribing to cable ffs.

      i subscribed purely to get ALL of the tv showz that i can from wherever and available whenever that i want.

    27. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except Norway which for some reason has a pile of great, though older, Sci-Fi.

    28. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by TWX · · Score: 1

      It probably didn't help that you were watching in the uncertain era when Reality TV was taking over due to its extreme low cost to produce. A lot of decent shows were cancelled because the profit of even a lesser-watched reality show was higher than of a highly watched show with actual actors and writers and extensive sets.

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    29. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by zennyboy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was in the same boat with that. Also, Alias..

    30. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Torrent is fine. VPN that shit.

    31. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i for one sure as hell don't subscribe for their low quality homegrown shit. i can get that by subscribing to cable ffs.

      Please, tell us which cable channel carries Sense8, Orange Is The New Black, and House of Cards.

      Or admit that you're a moron. Those are really your only choices.

    32. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by CauseBy · · Score: 1

      Yep. I gave up four or five years ago because they didn't have stuff I wanted to watch anymore. I had a few dozen items in my queue and I noticed that they just started disappearing. When my queue whittled down to junk that I didn't really care to see (why was it even in my queue at all?) I stopped paying the $12 per month.

    33. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by CauseBy · · Score: 1

      Seriously. I grew up in a household without cable and one day found myself at a friend's house with cable, and he turned it on. Awesome! I was probably eight or ten or twelve years old. We watched a segment then the ads came on.

      I was honestly confused because I thought the entire point of cable TV was to not see ads. I never, ever let go of that feeling. Today I have all sorts of habits which reduce the amount of advertising that surrounds me.

    34. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Megane · · Score: 1

      I grew up in a household without cable

      I thought the entire point of cable TV was to not see ads.

      Such a sheltered life you led. So you never had to deal with antenna rotators to bring in weak signal stations?

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    35. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by antdude · · Score: 1

      Your family is not enough. You need like every American family! ;)

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    36. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Obviously... but the experience soured me greatly on trying to participate in the ratings system, since despite the Nielson's representative's "assurance" to the contrary, it felt like what we liked didn't make any more difference being part of the ratings measurement system than being off of it.

    37. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by antdude · · Score: 1

      I think your family was too small to have any impacts though. :(

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    38. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Which is slightly peculiar, since our family size is nearly 2 standard deviations larger than the average family size in North America.

    39. Re: I don't want a fucking TV channel! by antdude · · Score: 1

      No, I meant how many views. You need many more families to be watching those s(how/erie)s to avoid cancelations. ;)

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    40. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by CauseBy · · Score: 1

      You mean over-the-air channels? Yeah we had an antenna for those, but they don't cost money. Before I understood the scam I thought the whole point of paying for cable channels was that they didn't have ads. Now I understand that the point is fuck you, pay us.

    41. Re:I don't want a fucking TV channel! by Megane · · Score: 1

      The point is I don't know where people keep getting the idea that the point of cable was "no ads". The point of cable was "no antenna", because it was often a pain in the ass to get good reception. Then satellite channels received via 3-meter dishes happened in the early '80s, and they all (or almost all) had ads. And cable companies added them. The only exceptions I've seen are pay movie channels and public service channels (CSPAN, local public access channel, etc.)

      In the early days, you weren't paying at all for the content, just for the cable TV company to build out equipment and give you decent reception. When cable-only channels happened, they weren't ever being paid enough to go ad-free, aside from the premium movie channels. Now if you paid extra for say, NFL Network, and still got commercial breaks for beer advertisements during a game, then yeah, I'd say that's a bit of a scam.

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  3. GUI =/= OS by random+coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It may be a very influential Graphical User Interface, but not so much on the Operating System side. The only way its influential on that side is further conflating a GUI and an OS in the public's mind.

    1. Re:GUI =/= OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may be a very influential Graphical User Interface, but not so much on the Operating System side. The only way its influential on that side is further conflating a GUI and an OS in the public's mind.

      wat

    2. Re:GUI =/= OS by I'm+just+joshin · · Score: 1

      Wrong article... The Win95 one is to the right.

    3. Re:GUI =/= OS by imboboage0 · · Score: 2

      I've been here for 11 years. I still don't understand how this even happens.

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  4. Idiots. by gfxguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "While many of these movies are popular, they are also widely available on cable and other subscription platforms at the same time as they are on Netflix and subject to the same drawn out licensing periods."

    The reason we can be cord cutters is because we get netflix, so you're suggesting I go back to doing both? %#!# you. #@# you very much.

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    1. Re:Idiots. by Phoenix+Rising · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This. I get Netflix so I can "rent" movies. While I've liked some of the Netflix original content, what I really want is a super video rental store.

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    2. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Amazon is quite good for renting movies.

    3. Re:Idiots. by RLiegh · · Score: 2

      Cord-cutters are undesirable in the eyes of the entertainment industry, it was inevitable that the cord-cutting threat posed by netflix would be eventually be neutralized.

    4. Re:Idiots. by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. Like so many other lines of business there are two general strategies they could go for, wide or deep. In the case of media distribution you can try to have as much content as possible, "why subscribe to all those other channels/distributors when you can get it all here in this one spot?" Or they can try to have unique programming that is unavailable anywhere else. "If you want to watch this show you have to subscribe to us."

      Doing both can be difficult, both in terms of balance and expense, (but it is the way to go if you want to become a monopoly.) Unfortunately it seems like Netflix is trying to transition between the two, which is a tough sell to the people who originally bought into the service because of what they _used_ to be. They not only have to convince me to be interested in their new original content, they also have to convince me not to care too much about the old licensed content that they're losing.

      If any other service (Hulu being at the top of the list) were able to snag all the content that Netflix is dropping Netflix might be in some serious trouble. From what i understand though the reason Netflix is dropping so much content is that the owners have started realizing how much streaming rights are worth, so luckily for Netflix it seems unlikely that any single provider will be able to acquire the same range of content that Netflix used to have.

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    5. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can't compete in a market ruled by property and distribution rights because there's only one source - it's a defacto monopoly and nobody wants to let go of the advertising revenue. Netflix won't survive this. ISPs are bilking them for connection charges and content producers are bilking them for distribution rights. The only way to go now is backwards.

      Just goes to show that tech can't solve the legal problem, and that companies will make dick moves just to make sure that nothing changes. Change is scary.

    6. Re:Idiots. by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      The reason we can be cord cutters is because we get netflix, so you're suggesting I go back to doing both? %#!# you. #@# you very much.

      Well, they said other subscription services, and it's been revealed that Hulu was the one who picked up those movies.

      You have to remember the video and movie industry looked at what happened to the music industry. They saw a tepid music industry make its first forays into digital distribution (via Apple and the iTunes music store), after resisting for so long.

      Then they saw the rise of Apple over the music industry to the point where the music industry lost control. It took them the step of having to release the music as DRM-free in order to break the control Apple had over them.

      So the TV and movie industry took note and said they won't let that happen to them, which meant that they will purposely ensure that no everyone has everything - iTunes will have some, Amazon will have others, Netflix, Hulu, CinemaNow and others will split a bunch as well. Ensuring that no one gets a bigger slice of the pie and becomes the 900lb gorilla.

      Incidentally, the TV networks have realized a big benefit to offering streaming TV for cord cutters - ads that are unskippable. If they got the TV show on their DVR, they can skip them at will. If they're streaming it, they can't. This also applies to "Cloud DVRs" as well.

    7. Re:Idiots. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hulu will *never* be a contender for me, as they insist on shoving advertisements in my face even if I pay for a premium subscription. I've experienced TV programming on demand and without commercial interruptions. I can't go back.

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    8. Re:Idiots. by wbr1 · · Score: 1
      It is not about going back to cable. It is about the balkinization of content. You will have to have 8 subscriptions at 7.99/month+ to get all the competition you want. There cannot be one or two clearinghouses for all content as each rights holder wants to be higher up in the food chain with their own control and higher margins.

      This is not real competition, this is an environment where the established players have written the rules and hold all the cards.

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    9. Re:Idiots. by TWX · · Score: 2

      I don't think that's going to stop people from cord-cutting though. I have probably 30 channels or subchannels with OTA DTV, including older TV shows and older movies. There's plenty to watch for free.

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    10. Re:Idiots. by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      And Hulu will never make it with me because for some reason just because I don't live in the US they don't want to allow me the privilege of being one of their customers.

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    11. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh yeah fuck hulu! I fully agree.

    12. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... it was inevitable that the cord-cutting threat posed by netflix would be eventually be neutralized.

      They can make Netflix shitty if they want, but there will still be bittorrent and various download sites. It's not like cord-cutters are going to sheepishly call Comcast and ask to have their bills go up.

    13. Re:Idiots. by fortfive · · Score: 1

      Meet the new boss . . .

    14. Re:Idiots. by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Hulu will never be a contender because they are a content owner. Netflix is a service organization. The viewer is the customer. For Hulu, the content owners are the customers, the revenue stream is unrelated to their primary customers. Hulu will never be able to think in a way that will make them relevant.

    15. Re:Idiots. by tepples · · Score: 1

      I have probably 30 channels or subchannels with OTA DTV

      If you're using OTA DTV, how much does your monthly DVR subscription cost?

    16. Re:Idiots. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      In fairness, I'd imagine it's probably not Hulu but the content providers that dictate that policy.

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    17. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. That's the stupidest comment I've heard in a while. I get Netflix streaming so that I can not watch cable. Also, I can't watch cable tv on my tablet or my laptop. I don't care if Netflix gets them when everyone else does.

    18. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the previous poster, but I've been struggling to understand how to answer this question. Here's my best effort...

      My DVR is a Linux PC running MythTV that I bought in 2008, with an Intel Q6600 CPU, about 4GB of RAM, and a few HDDs. It uses a $30 USB tuner and a $30 antenna up in my drapes. So I guess the cost of the computer amortized over 7 years is less than $10/month all told, including a maintenance parts along the way. I pay $25/yr (most recent year) to Schedules Direct to get a machine-readable program listing that lets MythTV plan out its recording schedule automatically. I just look at the TV listings websites around the beginning of TV seasons to see if there are new shows I might want to add to the list of recording rules, and I randomly check the movie listings to keep a few movies spooled on disk in case I feel like being a vegetable.

      So I guess my total DVR cost (ignoring electricity) is under $12/mo not including my time spent assembling the computer, learning how to use MythTV, or keeping things running. I looked at those as more of a hobby than a cost. Sometimes it was more entertaining than the shows they're putting on TV these days!

    19. Re:Idiots. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's also the $8 a month and service versus $75 or $100 a month and being treated like a pesky annoyance.

    20. Re:Idiots. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's not like cord cutters are going to go back to cable and satellite. They're overpriced essentially and many providers have horrid service. Plus Netflix and others have a great backlog of shows available anytime, rather than just the 5 most recent episodes.

      I don't care about the original programming; Arrested Development was nice but it wasn't originally on Netflix but just continued one more season there. Subscribing to a streaming service just for one show is as stupid as subscribing to a premium cable channel for just one show (though slightly less expensive).

      This is a big boost to Hulu+ I think, but in a year it may be in the same boat when it comes to negotiating the license renewal.

    21. Re:Idiots. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Napster is what really forced music distribution online. It proved that there was a market for digital-only music, sold as individual tracks rather than albums or single CDs with five shite versions of the same thing. It forced iTunes to offer something similar, and do it at a reasonable price.

      The TV and movie industries are fighting this hard. Like the video game industry they want silly prices for digital content. £2.50 for a defective-by-design DRM infected download that will only play on one of my many devices? LOL. Netflix has the right idea, in that they are trying to be on every platform and ad-free.

      Ironically the Pirate Bay et. al. are the ones keeping them a little bit honest, otherwise you can get that new episodes of popular shows would be $9.99 each to stream.

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    22. Re:Idiots. by Hodr · · Score: 1

      If you don't mind the DVR experience, Hulu can be experienced ad free. I have a NUC that is powerful enough to run PlayOn, and playon can record (only 1 at a time) shows from Hulu and play them back skipping the commercials.

    23. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From a design standpoint Hulu is GARBAGE! It's like they let the summer intern design the UI. I'm not a UX person but man that UI is butt ugly.

    24. Re:Idiots. by TWX · · Score: 1

      I have better things to do than to record television shows.

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    25. Re:Idiots. by TWX · · Score: 1

      I had a GBPVR setup running on a windows box several years ago, but I stopped using it when broadcasting went digital as it had an analog tuner. I haven't bothered to rebuild despite having considered it a few times. I just can't justify TV that much.

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    26. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have probably 30 channels or subchannels with OTA DTV

      If you're using OTA DTV, how much does your monthly DVR subscription cost?

      I bought a refurbed Tivo Roamio for $49 and they had the lifetime subscription on sale for $249. (this was two weeks ago)

      So $300 total investment and I make it up in 3.5 months by cutting my $90 cable bill. Sure I am missing some shows but since I have hulu, netflix and amazon prime tivo's onepass makes it really easy to find shows and watch them.

    27. Re:Idiots. by Megane · · Score: 1

      Mine is free though I do have to do various sorts of maintenance on it. It's nice to be able to go in with SQL queries to see what is in those 4.5TB or so of OTA ATSC rips, fix bad descriptions that came from the guide information, and fill in episode information for the stuff I want to keep around. (FYI it takes around 6GB/hour for full HD but more like 1GB/hour for an SD sub-channel.)

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    28. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You pay with you time by watching adds. I think ad supported movies, sitcoms and dramas suck. But to each their own

    29. Re:Idiots. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      I don't have a DVR set up because I don't have cable (and I have no idea what a NUC is). One of the biggest draws for streaming is the incredible convenience of the experience. It seems like a PITA to have to pre-record shows to simply watch them later.

      Honestly, I'm not desperate enough for their content to go through that much trouble. And I don't want to pay them for that service, which is an implicit enforcement of their business model.

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    30. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I wouldn't bother to setup mythtv now but 10 years ago it was entertaining. I made the transition to digital mostly to see the nice OTA HD broadcasts of PBS shows with stunning nature eye-candy. Seeing good 1080i data being deinterlaced to 1080p by Linux was a fun treat... reminded me of the old days when we first watched a 120p or so MPG downloaded from cs.berkeley.edu or when it was amazing to see that a regular PC could decode MP3 audio in real time! Firing up a 4K display also gave me that sense of closure compared to my first high-res 1280x1024 monitor in the 90s.

      We don't pay any content provider any subscription and may just start a hermitage if the free tier becomes inconvenient. We've spent our careers in tech since the first dot-com boom, and I think we are nearly ready to eject back to meatspace and forget all this digital shit...

    31. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to their DVD service...it has way more movies...

    32. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free.

      Windows Media Center.

    33. Re:Idiots. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Windows Media Center has been removed from Windows 10. Besides, I haven't seen anyone in my area willing to buy a PC to devote to OTA DVR duty.

    34. Re:Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that a usb OTA television adapter can be had for 20 dollars or less right? Need more tuners? Buy more adapters. Problem solved.

    35. Re:Idiots. by tepples · · Score: 1

      You do realize that a usb OTA television adapter can be had for 20 dollars or less right?

      And how much for another computer in the living room to drive this adapter?

  5. I Love NetFlix by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Netflix is such a bargain that it just might replace my cable . Netflix has great programming and costs me about 3% of what I pay Comcast every month.

    1. Re:I Love NetFlix by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 2

      As the article states, Netflix sees this as a bug, and is trying very hard to "fix" it.

    2. Re:I Love NetFlix by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Yea, well with Verizon the differential between a bare internet connection to stream Netflix over and a full up cable service using a cable card network tuner is about $40/month. Netflix is nearly 1/3rd of that. Good luck saving money, the cable company is gona get their cut, even if you cut the cord.

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    3. Re:I Love NetFlix by tgetzoya · · Score: 1

      The only thing missing from Netflix is live sports. Once I (hopefully) can watch Baseball and Football on Netflix I'll get rid of UVerse.

  6. Netflix is a transition light bulb by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    as the incandescent-fluorescent-CFL-LED progressed, cable-sat-stream will evolve.

    1. Re:Netflix is a transition light bulb by sexconker · · Score: 1, Troll

      as the incandescent-fluorescent-CFL-LED progressed, cable-sat-stream will evolve.

      Light bulbs went from good and cheap to shitty and expensive to less shitty and less expensive to decent and very expensive.
      How does that relate to tv/etc.? Shit don't jive.

    2. Re:Netflix is a transition light bulb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude, go away, you're not adding value here.

    3. Re:Netflix is a transition light bulb by Bengie · · Score: 1

      I don't know what kind of crap you get, but my newer lightbulbs have a cheaper lifetime cost, give a better spectrum, and last a hell of a lot longer. They'er a win in all categories except up-front cost and how to dispose of them.

    4. Re:Netflix is a transition light bulb by sexconker · · Score: 1

      My typical incandescent bulbs last 5 or more years. I have several in my house that have gone over a decade (of regular use) without being replaced.
      I don't use tube fluorescents at home. Fuck that noise and fuck that color and fuck that flicker.
      My typical CFL bulbs lasted 6-18 months. Terrible flicker, color, and response time. These are pretty much the worst thing ever.
      I haven't had LED bulbs die out yet, but it'll be a decade or more before they win on total cost, assuming 0% on that initial savings. The color is better than CFL, but absolutely not as good as a decent incandescent. And I've used everything from no-name crap to Cree, Hue, and Hue Lux.

      All that is ignoring the limitations of LED bulbs with regards to the housings you can put them in without baking them to death, the lack of traditional dimming controls, and the materials / disposal issue.

  7. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by bobbied · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seriously 160 kbps connection? Dude, you need to subscribe to the "We will mail you the disk" part of Netflix and just forget this video streaming idea. Trust me, they can turn a disk around in the mail faster than you can download the movie..

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  8. kept my Netflix dvd subscription by Dan667 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Looks like the netflix dvd model is coming around to be in vogue again.

    1. Re:kept my Netflix dvd subscription by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Looks like the netflix dvd model is coming around to be in vogue again.

      I got to admit that I've been tempted to do the same. With Amazon having nearly *anything* I may want to stream NOW, and Netflix DVD being about 2 days away for me, it's starting to make sense again.

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    2. Re:kept my Netflix dvd subscription by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost everything I would want to watch on Amazon costs a fee. I don't use Amazon for tv/movies at all.

    3. Re:kept my Netflix dvd subscription by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like the netflix dvd model is coming around to be in vogue again.

      Maybe I missed something, but hasn't the disc-by-mail system ALWAYS been the fallback for whatever content you can't stream? As the content on streaming comes and goes, don't you pretty much ALREADY have to rely on the discs every now and then?

      Finally, isn't this what REALLY distinguishes Netflix from just another TV channel? If something's not available on HBO, can they send it to you a disc? No? Then fine, I'm sticking with Netflix. Game of Thrones is very much available through Netflix, thank you very much. This cable is staying cut.

    4. Re:kept my Netflix dvd subscription by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Amazon apparently doesn't have that much with the basic subscription; a lot of their movies require paying a bit extra. I know someone who signed up for it who has regretted it (and it's a yearly subscription too).

    5. Re:kept my Netflix dvd subscription by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Yeah, its more worthwhile for the shipping if you shop on there a lot than any of the other benefits they're throwing in with Amazon Prime.

    6. Re:kept my Netflix dvd subscription by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Amazon Prime isn't that bad of a selection, but like Netflix they have their limits to the free stuff. However, their "on demand" selection is really good if you can afford it.

      Personally, I use prime for the other benefits, shipping, music, kindle lending library etc. The video streaming is mostly about doing "on demand" viewing, and it turns out to be cheaper than renting from Redbox, and a whole lot more convenient.

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    7. Re:kept my Netflix dvd subscription by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      As far as I'm concerned, the DVD subscription has never *not* made sense. I've had a 3-disc-at-a-time subscription since 2002. The streaming service was pretty much useless when it was introduced. That wasn't much of a problem when it was a freebie, but when they started charging $8/month for something I never used, I dropped it pretty quickly.

      Don't underestimate the bandwidth of three Blu-rays in your mailbox.

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  9. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > Seattle...160 kbps

    That isn't too bad. You can download a 700 Mbyte movie in only ten hours. With my 56k modem (because stupid Comcast despite having the government-granted monopoly over most of Seattle, still doesn't offer service to their entire monopoly area), I can download that in 30 hours. That's not too bad. I can leave the download running while I'm at work and at night and then have two movies to watch over the weekend. I really do hope they add a download option.

  10. TV channels are not what people want by McGregorMortis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What people want from a streaming service is every movie, every TV episode, and every piece of music ever made at any any point in history, anywhere in the world, at a modest fee.

    Netflix certainly wasn't that, but it was trying to be. If it's going to stop even trying, then they're just driving people back to BitTorrent. Because that's what BitTorrent is, and it's free.

    Until people are given what they want at a fair price, they will continue to find it elsewhere.

    1. Re:TV channels are not what people want by Maltheus · · Score: 1

      Bittorrent has been slimming down its selection too. Used to be, people would seed something forever. Fewer people now take that risk. It's mostly only good for newer titles now.

    2. Re:TV channels are not what people want by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Never going to happen, NEVER. No matter how many different services you sign up for. Seriously there is way too much stuff to do what you want and there are films which will never, ever see the light of internet streaming. For instance "Song of the South" which is owned by Disney will never be shown in public again for PC reasons, not to mention all the horrible "B and C" movies which would never deserve the disk space needed. (Who's going to watch "Howard the Duck" more than once? Most will quit that movie before the first reel change.) There is just way too much material which the license holder won't let go of and a whole host of stuff nobody wants to watch, even for free.

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    3. Re:TV channels are not what people want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really? I can just tell BitTorrent I was Formula 1 races, and they will all appear on my hard drive? Practice, Qualifying, the Race, and the F1 Extra afterwards? You've got to be shitting me, cause I've use the internet since before it even had pictures (ASCII art does not count), and this is definitely not how it works. WTF?

    4. Re:TV channels are not what people want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. I unsubscribed when they rose prices to $8.99, although it wasn't directly because of that. I was noticing a major trend towards fewer and fewer quality new movies showing up. So after soaking up the various TV shows I was interested in, I found a redbox-level number of decent movies and a ton of crappy B movies simply wasn't worth the sub.

      So I went back to pirate bay. I don't pirate because I'm cheap: I pirate because there's really no other good alternative.

    5. Re:TV channels are not what people want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been seeding a torrent for 3 years now, and another one about a year (fairly obscure too)

    6. Re:TV channels are not what people want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uhhh, what?

      Song of the South was re-released in theatres several times after its original Walt Disney Pictures/RKO Pictures premiere, each time through Buena Vista Pictures: in 1956; in 1972 for Disney's 50th anniversary; in 1973 as the second-half of a double bill with The Aristocats; in 1980 for the 100th anniversary of Harris' classic stories; and in 1986 for the film's own 40th anniversary and in promotion of the upcoming Splash Mountain attraction at three of Disney's theme parks.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      It's the home media release that has never happened, but apparently that may change....

      Over the years, Disney has made a variety of statements about whether and when the film would be re-released.[42][43][44][45] In March 2010, Disney CEO Robert Iger stated that there were no plans to release the movie on DVD, calling the film "antiquated" and "fairly offensive".[46] On November 15, 2010, Disney creative director Dave Bossert stated in an interview, "I can say there's been a lot of internal discussion about Song of the South. And at some point we're going to do something about it. I don't know when, but we will. We know we want people to see Song of the South because we realize it's a big piece of company history, and we want to do it the right way."[47]
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    7. Re:TV channels are not what people want by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      Because that's what BitTorrent is, and it's free.

      I call bullshit. I regularly try to get older content on bit torrent, I have all but given up for a lot of stuff. While finding the torrent is easy, it is pot luck as to whether there are any seeders, the older the content the less likely to be a seeder. basically I find it at best a 50-50 chance of finding it, usually much lower for anything not mainstream.

    8. Re:TV channels are not what people want by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It didn't have everything, and didn't need to. But it had enough, and had more than any cable provider had on any one day. Add in the DVD service (doubling the price) and you've got most everything.

      It's a dangerous move hoping that cord-cutters don't cut a second time.

    9. Re:TV channels are not what people want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the cost of adding "Howard The Duck" once you've got all the infrastructure in place for the good stuff?
      How many people do you need to justify that cost? I would suspect it's not much, and likely to drop too.

      I can imagine movie-geek parties where the challenge is to watch the entirety of Howard The Duck and/or the Star wars holiday special. A sick and evil challenge.

      If you build it, they will come.

    10. Re:TV channels are not what people want by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

      "Song of the South" is available on YouTube. I don't think it's any sort of official release, but it's been there for ages and Disney doesn't seem to have done anything about it, so at the least they're tacitly allowing people to watch it there.

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    11. Re: TV channels are not what people want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you can - I've been doing this for years. Free practice, qualification, race, on-boards, special TV programmes...
      You might have been on the Internet for long, but you have definitely not been paying attention to it that much.

  11. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How is it a tech hub like Seattle doesn't have broadband fast enough for Netflix, yet I'm living in rural Virginia and it works just great for me? What the hell is going on in Seattle?

  12. You're opening the door to your competitors... by thedarb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Taking away popular movie titles is only going to give your competitors an in. I didn't have to go see films at the theatre if I didn't want. It would end up on Netflix. I didn't need Comcast, it would end up Netflix.

    Simply put, if things stop coming to Netflix, so will the viewers. We aren't locked in to 2 year contracts, so we can come and go as we please. Maybe, Netflix, you should continue to court us.

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    1. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Netflix doesn't have it, isn't that what piratebay is for?

    2. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Yep, if I can't watch World War Z and The Hunger Games on repeat for all time then I am not going to be a paying customer...

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    3. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by c · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Simply put, if things stop coming to Netflix, so will the viewers. We aren't locked in to 2 year contracts, so we can come and go as we please. Maybe, Netflix, you should continue to court us.

      You sound like believe this is something Netflix is doing on purpose. Given the business environment they're operating in and how content licensing works, it's just as likely that someone in the industry is jerking them around.

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    4. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter though; I really don't care. Either Netflix has the content or not, whether that is due to Netflix business decisions or some other companies decision isn't relevant to me - if it's not there, it's not there. If too much isn't there then I'm leaving...

    5. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      It's possibly a negotiation strategy. Epix loses in this case, because they'll get fewer views, and less money. Netflix loses too, but they're hoping that next time they'll be able to negotiate a better deal.

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    6. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 0

      World War Z was the most appallingly stupid movie ever made.

    7. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by rsmith-mac · · Score: 4, Informative

      Given the business environment they're operating in and how content licensing works, it's just as likely that someone in the industry is jerking them around.

      And that's exactly the case. Netflix's streaming service started out as a last-run content distributor. They could get cheap access to lots of TV shows because the content had already been sold on DVD, sold to first-run syndication, sold to later run syndication (3am on TBS), etc. So selling that content to Netflix for cheap was the final way - the last way - to make money off of it.

      However any time you're selling content on a last-run basis, you're also expecting the service provider to either rake in little in the way of income, or at least not overtake higher tier services. Instead what happened was cord cutting, with viewers no long subscribing to cable services, ordering PPV, buying DVDs, etc. This is a great deal for viewers - lots of content for cheap - but it's a poor deal for content owners. The fact that this happened indicated that they undervalued the content they sold Netflix, and that in turn was because they didn't see the value in streaming.

      So whether Netflix likes it or not, they're going to be treated as a high tier syndicator due to the amount of revenue they bring in and the number of viewers. And Netflix doesn't charge enough or pay content owners enough to provide all that content that they got for cheap early-on. They either need to pay more or drop the content, so dropping the content they are. That leaves Netflix with little choice but to go the Turner/HBO model and provide original content to hook viewers, along with a mix of syndicated content to fill out their catalog.

      As for content owners, they're going to turn to other content distributors who will pay more for it. Hulu, cable companies, etc until revenue sources at each tier match what providers think they can get. Remember, a lot of this stemmed from undervaluing their content in the first place by virtue of underestimating how many people would go to Netflix. They have a general idea of how much their content is worth, via revenue from the pre-Netflix days, so it's only a matter of finding the right mix of distributors to sell to in order to find the right mix of services and customers. There are people out there who will pay more, especially if you balkanize everything so that the viewer pays a larger number of smaller bills (to avoid sticker shock).

    8. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      btw. who are the competitors? I've been hoping to try some alternatives for a while (given crappy selection and even crappier interface changes from netflix).

    9. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by J-1000 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Not only are existing competitors like Amazon catching up, everybody and their dog seems to be starting their own streaming service. That means more competition for content licenses, and less buying power for Netflix. This is also why every streaming service, including Netflix, is trying to build up original content libraries. They may not want to be just another streaming channel, but I think they realize there's no other choice. So they'll try to be the best at that.

    10. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by Dorianny · · Score: 2

      There seems to be a big disconnect between what the studios think their content is worth and what people are willing to pay for that content. Last time Netflix increased their streaming price by un-bundling it from the mailed to your house system they saw a huge drop in their subscribers base. If studios were willing to stream their content on theatrical-release date than I would be willing to pay $100 a month but for years old regurgitated content I am not paying much more than $8.

    11. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      If things balkanize, and you get some shows on Netflix, some on Hulu, some on Amazon, etc, the viewers won't subscribe to all of them at once. They'll just change subscriptions every few months.

    12. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Probably, but the explanation from Netflix was rather rude. As in we can get the same movies from our cable and satellite providers that we cut the cord to.

    13. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      This was a great model too. I got to see a lot of shows I never saw the first time around, because I don't want to hop into the middle of a series (if I don't see episode one of a plot based series, I won't watch any of the rest). Plus ability to watch old episode of current shows is very handy as the cable channels have little interest in doing this. Lots of cable shows don't end up in syndication either.

    14. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by Xest · · Score: 1

      "They either need to pay more or drop the content, so dropping the content they are."

      Actually that's the whole reason I take take issue with this. They're dropping content AND hiking the subscription fee.

      They just increased the UK subscription rate only two months ago by 7%, and now they're slashing content.

      So now, I can pay £89.88 for a year of Netflix, with all this content removed, or I can pay £79 for Amazon Prime where I get just as good content, free next day delivery 7 days a week, access to prime music which gives me access to millions of songs for free, and some cloud storage to boot.

      I think your thoughts are quite accurate for the most part, but when Netflix is hiking their price to already be less competitive against their already more competitive competition I don't think it's an excuse that holds merit anymore. I think it's simple profit gouging, but the sort of profit gouging that's likely to hurt them in the long run.

      As many companies do as they get bigger and seek to maintain the sort of persistent rapid growth they saw when smaller and younger, they get so desperate to grow their margins that they end up self-harming in the process because they put too much emphasis on growing profits by cutting costs, not realising that those costs are actually one of the pillars maintaining the existing profit in the first place.

      I think this is a key example of that, I don't see Netflix maintaining their UK userbase at least by hiking the price of the most popular package whilst removing some of the most popular films. Justifying to their userbase a 7% hike whilst inflation is running at a mere 0% - 0.1% in the UK is difficult enough in itself, but doing so whilst also drastically reducing the amount of content they offer? Good luck with that - "pay more for less" isn't going to make anyone happy.

    15. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a great deal for viewers - lots of content for cheap - but it's a poor deal for content owners. The fact that this happened indicated that they undervalued the content they sold Netflix, and that in turn was because they didn't see the value in streaming.

      Content distribution *is* cheap. The owners need to realize content as is just isn't worth the premium of old days.

    16. Re:You're opening the door to your competitors... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I'm not ever again going to pay more than maybe $10/month (adjusted for inflation) for "content," no matter how new it is. Studios can either recognize that reality or go fuck themselves. If Netflix prices themselves out of that range (or reduces content to the point of uselessness) then I'll just fire up my OTA DVR again.

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  13. The Hunger Games not available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a blessing. This is the most pathetic series ever devised. It's not that it is a product aimed at teenagers - rather, it is a product aimed at braindead teenagers.

    1. Re:The Hunger Games not available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a minute. I'm over 50 and not yet braindead (I'm here on Slashdot after all) and enjoyed the first two HG movies. The 3rd one was kind of a disappointment, but what the hell, seeing Hotness Everdeen is always eyecandy.

    2. Re:The Hunger Games not available? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      That's a blessing. This is the most pathetic series ever devised. It's not that it is a product aimed at teenagers - rather, it is a product aimed at braindead teenagers.

      Yea, I'm not crying into my Wheaties over this loss, though my college Honor Student really likes these, she might not like it, though she has DVD and Blu-Ray copies of them so she's unlikely to care. I guess I'm taking exception to the "braindead" part... Well, that and I actually enjoyed each of the movies in the series the first time I saw them, so they have *some* value, just not enough I'd miss not being able to see them again.

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    3. Re:The Hunger Games not available? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a blessing. This is the most pathetic series ever devised. It's not that it is a product aimed at teenagers - rather, it is a product aimed at braindead teenagers.

      Still a better love story than Twilight.

  14. Is it unintentionally funny or just depressing? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    I'll paraphrase, but here's basically what they said:

    "Yes, we're losing MGM's movies - but soon we're going to give you a new Bill Murray Christmas movie! We think everyone can see how much better that is."

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    1. Re:Is it unintentionally funny or just depressing? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      I'll paraphrase, but here's basically what they said:

      "Yes, we're losing MGM's movies - but soon we're going to give you a new Bill Murray Christmas movie! We think everyone can see how much better that is."

      What about Bob?

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  15. Why do I need Netflix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netflix is becoming little better than my cable company

    1. Re:Why do I need Netflix? by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Netflix is becoming little better than my cable company

      Yea? Well be ready to start some competition for them. As Netflix keeps positioning to take more of your money and give you access to less material, the business case for the competition gets better and better. You want to be there to take their subscribers once the scales are tipped in your favor, so you can have your turn, sell the company to investors and sit back in opulence while the bean counters and MBA's do the same thing to your company... Raise prices, lower content costs to make more money and eventually driving the customers to the next big thing...

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  16. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Republicans that hate us and want us to die run Seattle. Sub-broadband speeds are a defining trait of their kind.

  17. Netflix sucks already because industry makes it so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The entertainment industry dictating all sorts of crazy shit makes Netflix suck. Everything from DRM to licensing windows for different areas, a lack of content in certain countries, no existence in others, and more. Not to mention proprietary software, limited devices support, etc.

    Now compare this to something like vidics.ch which is presumably unlicensed where a user can go and get pretty much anything Netflix has and more. No restrictions on devices, where one is surfing from, or other nuisances.

    I think the time has come to just eliminate copyright altogether. It's creating a violent world for those who *don't* comply with arbitrary restrictions on there communications. In a world where censorship rules we can not have a functioning democracy. Democracy lives because we have the freedom to communicate. Unfortunately copyright and think of the children-style laws have eliminated the right of people to think and say and communicate.

    Copyright is a monopoly and in any other business that would be illegal. The idea for it being legal is it is *limited* (which was 7 years, but now is for all intensive purpose forever and a day) and benefit to society at large. If society is being persecuted (which it is) then we have a bigger problem than the one which a copyright monopoly was suppose to solve. The people have clearly voted copyright monopoly out the window- but the law isn't recognizing the peoples vote. That says a lot about our democracies and whos actually in power. It's not the people. It's a select minority who benefit from a draconian system.

  18. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Tailhook · · Score: 2, Funny

    I live in Seattle

    LOL.

    I live within walking distance of actual livestock and real, operating farms, twenty minutes way from a metropolitan area, and I have 60 Mbps business class service. The fact that Seattle, WA is still a broadband desert is so damning it defies belief. Whatever the fuck it is you Seattle knuckleheads have done to yourselves to end up like this....... all I can say is; you deserve it. You really do.

    You've governed yourself into a permanent Internet backwater. Congratulations. Go rename your volcano Mt. Talolhowakaji or whatever the 'natives' are demanding.

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  19. They're right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are plenty of other streaming options out there, so why should I pay for Netflix when they're reducing content I want and adding content I have no interest in?

  20. Thinking about cutting the cord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cat5 cord that allows me to watch Netflix, that is. The ui is increasingly horrific; the catalog of content continually underwhelming. Yes, yes, licensing - shit, I'd pay three times as much if they actually had more than one thing I wanted to watch every three months.

    YouTube, of all places, is where I end up more often. Movies if you know where to look, and documentaries that would make even Ken Friggen Burns smile.

    (Proper credit; the availability of Ken Burns' stuff is a point in netflix's favor but man cannot watch The West alone.)

  21. I wish Netflix stayed true to its loyal customers by iamacat · · Score: 2

    They first marginalized the DVD rental service and now are doing the same with movie streaming. While I watched some of Netflix originals, HBO Now has even more and better original series. The value of Netflix subscription for me is access to movies and shows from major studios. Guess I should look into Amazon Prime instead. Not interested in paying for Hulu and still watching ads.

  22. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yea, Republicans run Seattle, they run Washington state too.... NOT...

  23. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Maltheus · · Score: 1

    I live in on of the most conservative cities in the country and get 60Mbps. And why should that have anything to do with it?

  24. already watched it, get me something else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't Netflix regularly let one content contract lapse and pick up a different one for different content? How is this different?

  25. good luck, netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I subscribed due to the vast choice of films on DVD available. I've stuck around so far because there are maybe a couple dozen streamed movies/series I've yet to watch that I expect to enjoy. The rate at which new streaming movies appears is dismal, and the rate at which stuff I wanted to see but it's now gone is too high. "Narrowing their focus" will end up losing subscribers like me. The last thing I want is YATVC. Less popular and obscure movies on DVD keep disappearing from their catalog, so that's going downhill as well, even if I could just go with DVDs.

    Interestingly enough, Roku is building a search engine for content availabe on the platform. Some channels are PPV, which isn't so bad if you can find what you really want to see. Some channels are free, and some older movies are on those free channels. As usual, what some of us really want is just a fairly convenient way to find and get what we want and a reasonable price. If Netflix abandons that, they'll lose some customers.

  26. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really do think hell would freeze over before a republican would take office in any office that governs Seattle.

    Besides, if that was the case, then I wouldn't have gig service right now where I live in Arizona, which is about as much of a red state as you can get. In fact, come to think of it, a lot of red states have gig service somewhere within the state, such as Utah, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Louisiana.

  27. Won't be missed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back to piracy it is.

  28. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just now ran a speed-test against SoftLayer's Datacenter in Seattle, from my office in Austin -- 93Mbps up and down. No doubt only limited by the crappy D-Link hub on my desk.

    Obviously there are fast networks in Seattle -- perhaps the GP needs to pay more (or upgrade to a "business" class line)?

  29. Missing the point by grilled-cheese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Today's media consumer wants what it wants, when it wants it, right then. This is opposite traditional cable company methodologies. It's why customer's are cutting the cord. To that end, the first service to offer the best selection will win (pricing models aside). If it takes multiple overlapping subscriptions to get the selection, customers will be forced to pick and choose or to go back to pirating. The stuff frequently pirated are the things that customers can't afford (multiple services), can't find (selection problems), or are going to have going 24/7 (kids shows and bandwidth caps). I don't blame netflix entirely though. It's a business decision to keep from raising rates. The real problem lies with the distribution points arguing unreasonable amounts of money for potentially exclusive contracts with providers like Netflix/Hulu/AmazonPrime/CrunchyRoll/etc.

  30. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's just the city of Seattle that's screwed up. The suburbs actually outside the city itself (where I live, and where MS is located) has FIOS broadly deployed. My understanding is that it has to do with Seattle's own rules - there's a huge amount of entrenched bureaucracy and crappy infrastructure in place that essentially prevents competitors from coming in and upgrading. Naturally, large businesses (like Amazon) can simply bypass the mess with commercial-grade connections. It's apparently just the consumers that have it bad.

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  31. what is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    netfix that you speak of?

  32. I have clung to my DVD subscription by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    Because that gives me access on Netflix to every movie ever made, plus a substantial number of TV series both domestic and foreign. Netflix seems to have invested heavily in the "everybody's gonna stream" meme, a dream which crashed into ISP user caps and Hollywood footdragging. That's why the streaming servers offer a stunted collection of movies that "expire" after a year or so. So now that Netflix is set up for large-scale streaming, developing its own content to deliver is a logical next step.

    1. Re:I have clung to my DVD subscription by N7DR · · Score: 2

      Because that gives me access on Netflix to every movie ever made

      Huh? On my "saved" queue I have dozens of movies that Netflix marks "unavailable" and can't actually ship, but using some warped logic the company seems to think that they still carry them. And there are dozens more that I want to put on my queue that Netflix doesn't even pretend to carry. And all of these DVDs are available for purchase on Amazon (and, I suppose, available via torrents).

      With each of their mis-steps I get closer and closer to dumping Netflix and going back to buying movies.

      The Netflix management never seems to have understood what has made them successful. As soon as they started producing "original content", I thought, "What is this? If they have the money to create a series, then why aren't they spending it enhancing their core business and making more movies available to their subscribers?" I've stopped wondering that, because I now realise that, amazingly, Netflix management simply doesn't get it. I think we are watching, in painful slow-motion, the early stages of what promises to be a long, drawn-out death if they don't come to their senses.

    2. Re:I have clung to my DVD subscription by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if really was every movie then the ALF movie wouldn't have fallen into the save queue for 5 years :(

      On the up side. They actually rented me the Dr Who DVD (3 Doctors, i think) that sold for $100 on ebay at the time! I put it back in queue to watch and it only made it one or two more rentals and disappeared :( ((2nd time I've seen one go 'rare' followed by rerelease next year))

      Interesting. Family Ties is coming back to OTA on either MeTV or AntennaTV next month, forgot which I heard the promo on.

      Are any of the old shows on those channels available streaming? Suppose it is time to demo it and take a look again but STILL sounds disappointing :(

    3. Re:I have clung to my DVD subscription by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Except that I'm not going to use Bluray. So getting DVD with the clumsy interface after having HDTV streaming isn't going to cut it.

  33. Netflix is Tanking Hard by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    Look at the new and leaving content for this month - it's almost all junk (with slightly more quality stuff leaving than coming).

    Netflix is still showing me "New Episodes" for stuff I watched 6 months ago. A friend of mine said recently, "I spend more time looking for something to watch on Netflix than I do watching Netflix".

    I just started requesting DVD's again from Netflix (send back the first one in two years yesterday) and my kids watch YouTube all the time anyway - I'm pretty sure there's no reason for me to keep the streaming service at this point. I wonder if I can cancel that separately. I still have 300 discs in my DVD queue and feel silly for trying to use the Internet instead of USPS for digital content.

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    1. Re:Netflix is Tanking Hard by tsotha · · Score: 1

      I spend more time looking for something to watch on Netflix than I do watching Netflix

      I dropped it when I came to that realization. Every few years I sign up again to watch the content they've accumulated in the intervening time, after which I drop it again.

    2. Re:Netflix is Tanking Hard by Drethon · · Score: 1

      I've watched a few TV series I never saw when they originally came out (just got caught up on Hell on Wheels on Netflix). I really like the streaming for this as I might try a show I wouldn't take time to order a DVD for otherwise. Though I agree it is becoming harder to find anything the longer I have the service. If it all becomes original Netflix programming on the other hand (all due respect to Marco Polo) I'll probably just drop streaming and go DVD only.

  34. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > The suburbs actually outside the city itself (where I live, and where MS is located) has FIOS broadly deployed

    But, that is only in very limited areas. IIRC, FiOS hasn't added a single new building in over five years. I live in downtown Bellevue near the corner of Main St and 108th, and I only have 576 kbps DSL with CenturyLink. Comcast has been at capacity on my block since I moved here 8.5 years ago so I can't get cable TV or Internet. You're very luck to be able to get faster than 1.5 Mbps access in this area.

  35. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone that has been active in Seattle politics for over thirty years, yes the Republicans have a pretty strong hold over this city. So while the candidates don't have an R by their name, they're all DINOs. Even the so-called socialist here is a big business Republican. I'm pretty centrist, but she is so far right-wing that she makes me look like a communist. She is a Republican for all intents and purposes. It is the Republicans that are anti-technology and won't allow us to have Internet access.

  36. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by DaHat · · Score: 1

    FiOS hasn't added a single new building in over five years

    Correct, Verizon actually stopped further rollouts prior to selling the network to Frontier, who has also opted not to expand it.

    On the plus side (for you), the chances of Comcast expanding capacity in Bellevue is far better than other suburbs.

  37. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Here in the distant rural reaches of northern Arizona, I'm getting 80M down/8M up, and there are three competing providers. Anybody who would run a software development operation in the Seattle suburbs would have to be crazy.

  38. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by bobbied · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Seattle...160 kbps

    That isn't too bad. You can download a 700 Mbyte movie in only ten hours. With my 56k modem (because stupid Comcast despite having the government-granted monopoly over most of Seattle, still doesn't offer service to their entire monopoly area), I can download that in 30 hours. That's not too bad. I can leave the download running while I'm at work and at night and then have two movies to watch over the weekend. I really do hope they add a download option.

    So a DVD will take 10 hours and a Blu-Ray will take days to get... Go with the Netflix disk delivery option and it takes about three days to turn around ANY title they have, which is just about any title you could want, plus you can save that internet connection for something else, like browsing Zillo for houses OUTSIDE of Seattle that you can afford...

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  39. I used to be able to rent DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I started with Netflix back when they used to mail me DVDs. It was a better deal for me than the ludicrous rental fees from the likes of Blockbuster. Of course Blockbuster went bankrupt. Now I can only watch a few not-so-great movies and the plethora of TV shows that Netflix provides. I miss being able to watch decent movies on demand. Can someone please start up a national chain of DVD rental stores again?

  40. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Tailhook · · Score: 1

    You can't even get cable? Plain old cable tee vee? What the actual fuck?

    I had cable in an 80 year old house outside Detroit in 1983. 32 years ago.

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  41. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really do think hell would freeze over before a republican would take office in any office that governs Seattle.

    The problem is that the people we do elect here are Republicans in all but name. They are in bed with corporations to screw us. Comcast has the monopoly over most of the city, but they don't offer service to the poorer areas and have sparse coverage in many other parts of the city. CenturyLink can't offer DSL to much of the city due to the age of the phone wiring, and the city hasn't forced them to upgrade. Also, the conservative "director's rules" here that don't allow corporations to invest in upgrades are to the corporation's benefit since they don't have to spend money. Internet access here is such a joke because of our conservative rulers.

  42. Cancelling my Sub if they do this. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

    What kind of idiots do they have running things over there?

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    1. Re:Cancelling my Sub if they do this. by multimediavt · · Score: 1

      What kind of idiots do they have running things over there?

      The kind that have to answer to the idiots (that are wising up) at the movie studios and other content providers that they have to pay contracts to in order for you to view the content on Netflix. Don't kill the messenger. Get angry with the greedy studio bastards that are setting outrageous content prices for streaming rights.

  43. I bought a Roku3 earlier this year (2015) by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    and Netflix was okay for a little while but eventually i lost interest because of the selections seems to never rotate to different movies, sure they add a few new ones but not a lot and after a while it got to be like HBO, just another premium channel with the same old crap after a while, so i cancelled it and just threw the roku hardware in a old shoe box saving it for my grand yard sale when i finally decide to move to a smaller house

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    1. Re:I bought a Roku3 earlier this year (2015) by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      and Netflix was okay for a little while but eventually i lost interest because of the selections seems to never rotate to different movies, sure they add a few new ones but not a lot and after a while it got to be like HBO, just another premium channel with the same old crap after a while, so i cancelled it and just threw the roku hardware in a old shoe box saving it for my grand yard sale when i finally decide to move to a smaller house

      Time to pull it out, dust it off and set it up with Plex...

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  44. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by bobbied · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I don't think you are centrist in reality. You want to be considered in the middle so you label yourself centrist, but in reality you really are far left, so everybody looks to far to the right from your prospective.

    Seattle is governed by the fully left of center, so is Washington state to a lesser degree. You just see it as too far right because in reality you have a leftist ideology and are nowhere near the center on just about everything.

    Be honest with yourself, you are really far left of what the center really is... Which is fine with me as long as you are honest about it...

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  45. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uhh, Comcast, CenturyLink, and other corporations give a lot of money to local politicians. That by definition makes them Republicans. Republicans are the ones standing with corporations against the people. If they weren't Republicans, then why do they not allow us to have good Internet access? They're allowing the corporations to not invest in infrastructure and are protecting their monopolies at gun point. That is very right-wing. Very. How can you claim otherwise, unless you're on the side of Comcast that is literally stuffing dumptruck loads of cash into their executive's pockets. Are you making a profit from Comcast? Is that why you are such a corporatist that you hate the people?

  46. Most people have it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people on here obviously did not read the blog post. Netflix is only dropping distrbution from Epix, but they are making many new deals for movies. The whole streaming films on demand feature is not going away.

  47. Quote by neminem · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "...won't be able to watch movies like The Hunger Games and World War Z"... "betting that customers won't miss the Epix content. "

    Yeah, not with examples like those I won't...

    1. Re:Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...won't be able to watch movies like The Hunger Games and World War Z"... "betting that customers won't miss the Epix content. "

      Yeah, not with examples like those I won't...

      Don't you worry you precious little "popular movies suck"-gem. They've got drama, documentary and "what the hell did I just watch? Better pretend it was deep when I go sit down in the cafe for the post chatter" movies for everybody who won't settle for less than 5 'laurels, laurels EVERYWHERE' from all the festivals they toured.

      On the off chance that it's just specifically these two movies or the argument is that they're old, you've already watched them, and so they don't matter to you: congratulations on the anecdotal data.

      The rest of us know better than to shrug off any content getting dropped, because it's a trend that implies that the content we do like will get dropped at a whim (or contract negotiation fail) as well.

    2. Re:Quote by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Those were well-known examples.

      Here's the full list of movies that vanished from Netflix' stock:

      http://www.epixhd.com/all-movi...

      At a glance there are a LOT of titles I don't recognize, with covers that suggest they're from the 70s or 80s. I spot a recent animated movie (Alpha and Omega), a geek classic at least for a popular quote (Apocalypse Now), and a definite geek classic (A Conversation With Leonard Nimoy) - and that's just in the A section.

      Please don't think Epix ONLY has control of Hunger Games and World War Z.

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    3. Re:Quote by multimediavt · · Score: 1

      "...won't be able to watch movies like The Hunger Games and World War Z"... "betting that customers won't miss the Epix content. "

      Yeah, not with examples like those I won't...

      True that. But, people can still get the discs for those movies from Netflix. They just don't have the streaming rights anymore.

    4. Re:Quote by neminem · · Score: 1

      It's specifically those two movies. Ok, to be fair, the first Hunger Games movie was a pretty successful adaptation, it was only the others that sucked horribly (and also to be fair, the other two books were crap compared to the first, too, just not by as wide a margin.) Mainly it was a comment about WWZ, though, a truly breathtakingly beautiful book turned into a generic boring white-guy-saves-the-planet-from-zombies movie, that wouldn't even have hurt nearly so much if it hadn't been nominally based on the book it wasn't really based on.

      Those "deep" movies are crap, and I care more about older movies than newer ones, as those are the ones I'm most likely to want to see on netflix, as I either forgot to see them in theaters, or completely missed they existed until years later. So I basically agree with you, you were overreacting to my admittedly-vague snark about WWZ sucking bigtime.

    5. Re:Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, a lot of titles I don't recognize or care for. Some I had already watched and don't plan to ever again. "Apocalypse Now" was the only good movie I recognized on there before I gave up on scrolling down the list.

    6. Re:Quote by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      It's specifically those two movies. Ok, to be fair, the first Hunger Games movie was a pretty successful adaptation, it was only the others that sucked horribly (and also to be fair, the other two books were crap compared to the first, too, just not by as wide a margin.) Mainly it was a comment about WWZ, though, a truly breathtakingly beautiful book turned into a generic boring white-guy-saves-the-planet-from-zombies movie, that wouldn't even have hurt nearly so much if it hadn't been nominally based on the book it wasn't really based on.

      Those "deep" movies are crap, and I care more about older movies than newer ones, as those are the ones I'm most likely to want to see on netflix, as I either forgot to see them in theaters, or completely missed they existed until years later. So I basically agree with you, you were overreacting to my admittedly-vague snark about WWZ sucking bigtime.

      World War Z was honestly the most disappointed I have ever been regarding a movie. I actually had trouble finishing it, and I thought the $1 I paid at Redbox for it was about twice as much as I should have paid. The movie had so much potential if they had stuck with the book. The Battle of Yonkers, if done well, could have been an epic scene for a movie; so would the Battle of Hope. And if they were smart they could have turned it into a 10-year, moneymaking franchise easy. The book could easily have been turned into a 2-movie series: the retreat West and the rebuild/retaking of the East. And then you could take some of the movies or side stories referenced in the book as "spin-offs". "Victory at Avalon" would have been a perfect candidate for a lower budget shakycam/"found footage" type movie as that was essentially what it was. Then there's the Alpha Teams, the Chinese sub, etc. But they squandered it all for a quick cashout movie.

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    7. Re:Quote by bmo · · Score: 1

      They just don't have the streaming rights anymore.

      Then they lost every single one of their customers that are like us: we *don't* have cable TV and never want it and OTA TV is out of the question because this is New Hampshire and there are too many mountains (thus we get WMUR nooz by going to their website).

      The only CATV provider where we live is Comcast and their awful bundling choices and shit service. Sorry, no, we're not doing that.

      Back to torrenting. Fuck'em. Not kidding.

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  48. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The laws were written to give property owners control over the right-of-way on their property. 60% of affected landowners must approve any installation into the right-of-way. Good luck finding absentee landlords (probably somewhere in China) in areas where everyone rents.

    BTW, which "la-la land" grown-ups are you going to vote for in order to come and take away your property rights?

  49. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I live in Seattle, and I don't know anyone with a connection fast enough to stream Netflix.

    Heck I live in Panama. No not Panama City, Florida. Panama the country with the canal, all the way down in Latin America. And I have the bandwidth (20Mbs) to stream Netflix, through a US VPN. So someone in your city is screwing you.

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  50. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Macrat · · Score: 1

    160Kbps? Geez, I get 30Mbps from my T-Mobile LTE.

  51. not so obvious to everyone it seems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is because the studios asked them for a monetary number well outside Netflix's ability to pay and still stay afloat. The studios are doing it on purpose to tank Netflix because they don't like their business model and would prefer you go buy the DVD. And, because they feel they deserve the extra money. Netflix has been a real threat to them, because it has always provided viewers the ability to watch as much as they want for a reasonable fee. I don't envy them. Producers of entertainment are so toxic with their licensing deals that it almost doesn't pay to be in the media delivery business. Dish is always struggling with this as well, it is painful for them and their customers.

    1. Re:not so obvious to everyone it seems by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      The availability of a huge range of movies for a $9/month DVD subscription is what keeps consumers from torrenting. If they take that away, we'll just go back to our old torrenting ways.

    2. Re:not so obvious to everyone it seems by tsotha · · Score: 1

      Which is why the studios are spreading money around in Washington. If they get the laws they want torrenting will be so dangerous it won't be worth doing. They're playing the long game.

    3. Re:not so obvious to everyone it seems by TheSync · · Score: 1

      It is because the studios asked them for a monetary number well outside Netflix's ability to pay and still stay afloat.

      Good content costs good money. Netflix doesn't even own its most successful shows (Media Rights Capital owns "House of Cards" and Lionsgate owns "Orange Is the New Black"). Their first cheap Starz streaming deal was a weird technicality. Everyone knew when it ran out that Netflix could not support its streaming of quality content by charging less than what a cable or satellite provider would for a collection of content of similar quality.

  52. Re: Epix was one reason they were forced to stream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are very lucky. I live in a suburb of Phoenix that is only served by Centurylink (no cable TV available). On a good day I can see 1.2 meg down speed and it's costing me over $60/month. Centurylink has been promising to upgrade soon (within 2 months) for the last five years.

  53. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you're confusing Republicans with politicians in general.

  54. THE END OF NETFLIX... by pellik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When Netflix gave up it's deal with starz people thought that it was the end. Now Netflix is giving up Epix and people think it's the end again. Netflix still has a lot of content, and will possibly even sign a new content deal. They've long said they intend to rotate through content providers.

    1. Re:THE END OF NETFLIX... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've long said they intend to rotate through content providers.

      Yah, rotating as in the toilet bowl. Christ, even international movie selection is down to slim pickings. It's like they made a bet to see how little content they can get away with.

    2. Re:THE END OF NETFLIX... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...they intend to rotate through content providers.

      That's a good idea; subscribe and binge, unsubscribe and move on to the next streaming service. repeat. By the time you get back to netflix, they might have some new content.

    3. Re:THE END OF NETFLIX... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't Netflix sign a deal with Disney to start showing their content? I don't think it was everything Disney owns all at once, but a set schedule of batches of content over the next few years. That alone might keep some of the families paying their streaming fee as more of that content gets released. Maybe they can re-work that deal to get access to more of the Disney content sooner?

  55. Actually no by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Most folks just binge watch TV episodes on netflix. The movies are added value, but there's no way they could be worth the cost. At that point you just get the DVD. If it's worth enough to cancel over it's worth waiting a few days for the dvd to arrive...

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    1. Re:Actually no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ahhhhh no. I almost exclusively only watch movies on Netflix as do many others. The only TV series I watched on it was Daredevil. I am not after a lot of content, I am after on demand content with a decent selection that is there all the time without adds whenever I want it. I watch bugger all TV (movies or otherwise). maybe 5 or 6 movies a month. Netflix is cheaper than just about any other option (beyond pirating).

    2. Re:Actually no by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      $8 a month can save money on movies versus the per-movie rental price that most have. Unless you're talking about the Netflix DVD service. (and I'm never going blu-ray)

  56. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happened is that Qwest sold their cellular network probably 15 years ago and as a result they didn't have that cash cow that a lot of other ISPs had. We also have Comcast, but the service is capped and when we switched to DSL it was out 3-4 hours every day for about a month.

    Since CenturyLink came to town, I started seeing a lot more of their trucks all over the places fixing the infrastructure. The FTTH hasn't been set up yet, but it's been installed on our end and I'd imagine they'll have it hooked up as soon as possible.

    So, no, it's not a matter of governance, back in 2005 when the city requested an explanation for the lack of improvement, Comcast refused to comment and Qwest claimed to be in preparation to do it. I'm not sure why CenturyLink decided to actually go forward with it, but probably because this was the best place for the regional headquarters and it would be embarassing to lack decent high speed internet in the same city as the regional headquarters.

  57. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By definition? What definition? The one you just pulled out of your ass?

    Both parties take money from industry. Quit painting it as a party line issue. It's not.

  58. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're talking about residential broadband connections, not optical carrier lines that cost thousands per month.

  59. WWZ?!? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    Good, WWZ was one of the most disappointing book-to-screen adaptations I've ever seen. I've seen over 200 zombie movies, and if I hadn't read the book first I wouldn't have cared BUT...yeah.

  60. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can download a 700 Mbyte movie in only ten hours.

    Jesus. 2002 called and it wants its 360p AVI back. What on ${DIETY}'s green earth you watching in 2015 that's only 700 MB? Any move at decent resolution (1080p and higher) is going to be at least 2 GB...more like 5 GB if you want the actual detail.

  61. You won't miss it when it's gone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For years we were told that people wouldn't leave cable because..."what will they watch? what will they do if they don't watch as much TV" ?

    And guess what, cord cutters found that while they did end up watching less TV (less crap, less watching for the sake of watching, less 'background" TV and such) their experience was better. And those cord-cutters, like me long ago, don't miss cable.

    Same thing is happening with Netflix....I've sort of burned through the quality streaming stuff, now I'm watching mediocre stuff, just for the sake of watching. I can see myself dropping Netflix streaming and being fine without it...Lesson is there are lots of things to do other than watch television.

  62. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

    I don't think democrat means what you think it means. Obama himself is bought and paid for by hollywood.

  63. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Rockoon · · Score: 1

    They are in bed with corporations to screw us.

    Those are called Democrats.

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    "His name was James Damore."
  64. Stats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Netflix's advantage is that it has accurate statistics behind such decisions. Too few people must watch these movies to make the deal worthwhile.
    Its that simple

    1. Re:Stats by Xest · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the problem is that as always with capturing such metrics, they only tell half the story.

      If someone can no longer see movies listed that are big hits, then it destroys the perception of value people have in the service, even if they never watch those movies.

      So sure such movies might not get as much click through as their value implies, but if they're gone then the service appears less premium and no longer worth the cost.

    2. Re:Stats by vakuona · · Score: 1

      So are you saying that Netflix should pay real money to have titles that people don't actually watch but like to see that they are available in the library?

      At the end of the day, people will renew their subscriptions if they always have something to watch when they fire up Netflix, and they will cancel their subscriptions if they can't find anything to watch on Netflix.

      I certainly don't look for Citizen Kane in the library to let me know if the library is any good or not. I look for the stuff I want to watch, watch that stuff, then lok for more stuff.

    3. Re:Stats by Xest · · Score: 1

      "So are you saying that Netflix should pay real money to have titles that people don't actually watch but like to see that they are available in the library?"

      It depends what you mean by "don't actually watch", obviously some people do watch them.

      So what I'm saying is that the measurement is simply more complex than a basic question of "How many people have watched this vs. how much does it cost". You have to also ask question such as "Will the value perception of a Netflix subscription decrease if we remove major titles from our library even if not getting watched?" and "If a new Transformers movie is released and people want to see the previous ones, will they leave our service for another if they see we don't offer it and they do"?

      "I certainly don't look for Citizen Kane in the library to let me know if the library is any good or not. I look for the stuff I want to watch, watch that stuff, then lok for more stuff."

      But do you actually get around to watching it? I know sometimes I see something on Netflix and don't have time to watch it, yet still hope to in the future. How would you feel if something you've been planning for a year to watch gets yanked just as you find time to and have been looking forward to watching it? I know I'd be pretty pissed and would question the value of the subscription as a result.

      But there's also the question of converting trials to subscriptions - I've signed up to VOD service trials, seen the library looks shit, and not then subsequently subscribed. If I see a great movie on there, even if I never intend to watch it again any time soon because I've just seen it, I'm more likely to view that as a quality service that's worth subscribing to.

      Really the proper way to gauge this rather than counting viewer metrics is to constantly get satisfaction surveys - "How happy are you with the service?" on an ongoing basis - you'll find satisfaction will trend quite differently to how much people like a show.

      For example, I was excited for Narcos, it looked right up my street, I binged and watched it through in a day because I had a day off and nothing better to do. If you look at viewing figures it might look like I loved it, but in reality I thought it was a bit dull and boring and I doubt I'll watched Season 2. Similarly I loved Breaking Bad, but have never watched it on Netflix, so to them based on viewing figures it looks like I'm not interested. They're completely wrong of course - I'd still be pissed if they removed it because I do want to watch it again at some point in the future.

  65. missing programming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    somehow missing the starvation games and the zombies does not register as a great negative.
    I would rank them somewhat below watch the old indian head test pattern.

  66. Re:I wish Netflix stayed true to its loyal custome by swb · · Score: 1

    If my son wasn't so enthralled with Netflix for TV series I would have cancelled it when I realized HBO Now included movies, too. Good movies for the most part, too, not just 3 movies and a bunch of crap shot on an iPhone by the college kids down the block.

    I can get most of that crap from Amazon Instant which is part of Prime anyway and prime is worth it for the shopping alone.

  67. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    If the landowners are absentee and living in China, what happens when you stop paying rent? Don't the landlords need to actually apply to the local court to start eviction proceedings? If they have some local agent to do that, why can't the local agent approve broadband installation?

  68. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    He is confusing terms a bit here, but the previous poster was calling him a leftist. A true leftist does not favor corporations having the kind of power or influence that he describes, that's a hallmark of the right wing, so it's reasonable for him to call them Republicans, which is a far-right party. Yes, in most areas the Democrats are also center-right, but that party does claim to answer to the people on the left, even if it is just lip service.

  69. Fridge Full of Food I Don't Want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A popular meme on the internet just begs to be quoted here, "Netflix is like a fridge full of food that I don't want to eat".

  70. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    Arizona's not *that* red. It wasn't that long ago they elected Janet Napolitano (D) as governor, before Obama got her to take over as DHS head. Tempe's a pretty blue city too, as is Tucson.

    Now Utah is about as red is it gets, I think. Along with Mississippi, Alabama, etc.

  71. They should make use of dormant DVDs by bangular · · Score: 1

    Netflix should make use of dormant DVDs. Keep track of how many DVDs are in the warehouse and allow those to be "rented" via streaming. No more content deals. Just buy the movie, keep track who's streaming it at any given time (being very careful to not go over), and profit. I'm sure it will piss off Hollywood, but at this point I think the tech industry could beat Hollywood in a large court case like this. No more turnaround time. DVDs rented for literally 90 minutes.

    1. Re:They should make use of dormant DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. So I can finally finish watching Battlestar Galactica. I was halfway through streaming it when they yanked it off Netflix. It's available on DVD, but I only have the streaming package. I don't know if they can rent each episode of a TV show. If you have to block off the entire DVD just because a person watched one episode it might be an issue. Netflix does a ton of TV shows, I probably watch more TV shows then movies on Netflix.

    2. Re:They should make use of dormant DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's so simple that they will never do it. Redbox could though...

  72. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by imboboage0 · · Score: 1

    Just came to say I'm impressed by you still using 56k AND visiting slashdot. I hope you have ad blockers running (even though they take 20 minutes to download) ;)

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    Honesty may be the best policy, but by process of elimination, dishonesty is the second best policy.
  73. Re: Epix was one reason they were forced to stream by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are very lucky. I live in a suburb of Phoenix that is only served by Centurylink (no cable TV available). On a good day I can see 1.2 meg down speed and it's costing me over $60/month. Centurylink has been promising to upgrade soon (within 2 months) for the last five years.

    Why would they upgrade? They are your only choice of provider, they have you by the short and curlies.

    Time to move...

  74. Roku + Plex + Torrents + digital antenna by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Works for practically everything I want to watch.

    Might subscribe to HBO when Game of Thrones starts.

  75. Hulu vs Huluplus is confusing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cannot understand why Hulu content is not available on Huluplus.

    And it suck that I cannot get plain Hulu on my Roku.

  76. Dictatorships do not work that way by tepples · · Score: 1

    I think the "braindead" part has something to do with the fact that dictatorships don't work that way.

  77. Re:Netflix sucks already because industry makes it by tepples · · Score: 1

    Copyright is a monopoly and in any other business that would be illegal.

    In any business other than entertainment there are patents.

  78. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by tepples · · Score: 1

    Geez, I get 30Mbps from my T-Mobile LTE.

    For how long in a given month before T-Mobile cuts you back to EDGE and its 0.05 Mbps dial-up-class speed?

  79. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by tsotha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's simply using his own personal definition of "Republican", which for him is "Any person or situation I don't like".

  80. Netflix is already down to shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over half my queue is Epix garbage I can barely bring myself to watch. Once it goes I'm cancelling. What will even be left? A bunch of shitty made-for-tv documentaries and direct-to-video shit from the last few years?

  81. Hollywood tells Americans whom to vote for by tepples · · Score: 1

    Get angry with the greedy studio bastards that are setting outrageous content prices for streaming rights.

    How can Americans lawfully act on disapproval of Hollywood policies when Hollywood is also telling Americans whom to vote for through NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, and CNN? These major TV news outlets share a parent with Universal, Disney, Paramount, Last Century Fox, and Warner Bros. respectively.

  82. Why can't I view ALL movies on Netflix???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to know about a very specific movie in order to see if its streamable and then watch it. I hate the fact that under each category there is a relatively small list of movies but beyond that you have nothing. Why doesn't Netflix allow you to look at ALL the movies under each category?

    1. Re:Why can't I view ALL movies on Netflix???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Netflix is run by retards whose sole purpose in life is to design the shittiest UIs possible.

  83. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by kwbauer · · Score: 1

    Oh yes, Republicans pushing excessively high minimum wages targeted only at big business (and certain small business) and gun control, etc.

  84. Hulu IS the content owners by Duckman5 · · Score: 2

    In fairness, I'd imagine it's probably not Hulu but the content providers that dictate that policy.

    Check this Wikipedia article out. Look at the list of owners to the right. NBC-Universal, Fox, Disney. Why do you think they're so stuck on showing ads even on the pay service? It's because it's all they know.

    1. Re:Hulu IS the content owners by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Ah... well, that explains a lot.

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    2. Re:Hulu IS the content owners by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      I don't care. Say your favorite brand is discovered to be abusing children in sweatshops somewhere in the orient or Indonesia. Do you still willfully and happily keep buying that brand? At some point Hulu assumes some of the responsibility for letting themselves be manipulated like this. Region locking is absolutely stupid. And then these content providers have the nerve to complain about "piracy".

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    3. Re:Hulu IS the content owners by Duckman5 · · Score: 1
      Neither do I. Region locking in today's global, free-trade world is just moronic. I live in the US, so I'm "lucky" enough to have access to most of these services. However, I have not now, nor will I ever subscribe to Hulu. I don't even use their free service because I hate advertisements.

      All I'm pointing out is the source of their stupidity. There is no adversarial relationship. There is no distributor to talk reason to them. There is no negotiation or discussion. They have essentially created a content producer coop to do the digital distribution so they can exist in a vacuum and do things "the way they've always been done."

  85. Yay - just what I want - more low quality programs by NeumannCons · · Score: 1

    Choice quote:

    "He then went on to list a variety of exclusive shows coming up on the service, including new work from Ricky Gervais, Idris Elba and Adam Sandler."
    Translation: We're going to make some cheap reality tv shows with actors who have or are about to jump the shark because we've got nothing else.

    I know that Netflix does have some original programming that are respectable. I don't watch any of them. In fact, I can't name any of them. I primarily go there for movies and binge watching tv shows like lost/walking dead/etc. I suspect many/most of us do to some degree. The problem is good shows are ridiculously expensive and short lived (how many times can you watch Gravity). The bean counters are looking at that and trying to eliminate that cost even though it may kill their base audience.

    TV & cable channels have become a vast wasteland of "reality" programming because it's easy and cheap. Netflix is seeing that and thinking "Wow - ME TOO!"? Is this the same CEO that wanted to split the company and raise rates?

    If Hulu transitions from primarily episodic tv to include movies and netflix transitions to "me too", I'll be transitioning my service too. My loyalty is pretty weak. I do, however, hope this is a move to negotiate better terms with the content mongers.

  86. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Cito · · Score: 1

    Yify

    Makes 700mb to 1gig 720p hd

    With the highest rep on torrent
    https://kat.cr/user/yify/uploa...

    Yify is to HD what Axxo was to DVD

  87. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by AnotherSeattlePrgmr · · Score: 1

    [...]Like I've said before; you deserve it. You've made your bed with your la-la land government — so live in it. Next lifetime, change your ways and vote for grown-ups.

    He just lives in some weird neighborhood in Seattle. Like in many cities, there are a few different cable companies; it has nothing to do with liberal seattle. I used to live in a city in arkansas and it had the same stupid mix. Virtually everyone in seattle has access to sucky comcast. I can get comcast or slow dsl. A very few areas have fios but they don't do new rollouts. It's no different than most places in america. There are a few lucky areas that have fios or gig ethernet, but most places don't.

    Seattle has actually been working to figure out how to roll out access using their dark fiber to end users, but they are stupid and afraid to commit to spending money on it. In seattle there is one really interesting provider, Condointernet.net (bought by wave g a little while ago). There are many condo & apt buildings in seattle and now other cities that get cheap & fast gig ethernet. It's a wireless technology. http://gowaveg.com/our-buildin...

  88. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by AnotherSeattlePrgmr · · Score: 1

    I live in Seattle, and I don't know anyone with a connection fast enough to stream Netflix.

    I live in Seattle and I've never heard of anyone with such crap internet. The vast majority of people here have comcast, sadly, like me, and it works just fine.

  89. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my guess is the OP doesn't understand the difference between kilobits and kilobytes per second.

  90. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1080p in x265.

  91. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by fredgiblet · · Score: 2

    They are in bed with corporations to screw us.

    Those are called Politicians.

    FTFY

  92. Re:I wish Netflix stayed true to its loyal custome by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    What does HBO have? I always regretted it when I added HBO for a month.

    Prime is not worth it for many people, if I ever buy enough from Amazon so that spending $100 a year for shipping saves me money, then someone come and cut up my credit cards and give me a dope slap. I'll support the local economy instead. As such, I don't see the value of adding Amazon Prime for their limited selection and the opportunity to be told that the movie I want doesn't come with Prime and that I have to pay extra.

    Netflix without those movies is still more TV than I'll ever get around to watching.

  93. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in North Bumblefuck, also known as Snohomish County, and have no problem streaming Netflix all day long. Comcast Business service is actually very good, look into it.

  94. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1

    The hell? The slowest cable connection offered in most of the Netherlands is 40Mbps. If my phone had just 160kbps I'd rightly complain to the phone company.

  95. Re: Epix was one reason they were forced to stream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ahhh yeahhhhh, you REALLY haven't a clue about politics or are totally oblivious to where ALL politicians get their campaign funds. Are you really that stupid to think democrats don't take any corporate money? If you are, YOU are the major problem with this country. Stupid, and too stupid to realize how stupid you are

  96. Re:I wish Netflix stayed true to its loyal custome by swb · · Score: 1

    HBO has all the usual HBO TV shows, most of which are on another plane above everything else. The movie selection isn't ultra deep, maybe a couple hundred titles, but they do change over time and most all of them are well-known titles.

    The advantage with prime is for little stuff that often requires a speciality trip to a specific store, or worse, a time and gas guzzling trip to several. I recently needed a mini-DP to VGA adapter. There's one store I could have bought it from locally, a 15 mile round trip where it would have cost me $25. I got it from Amazon for $12 and they delivered it on Sunday.

    I like to support the local economy, too, but buying something made in China for double the price isn't supporting the local economy, it's subsidizing a local retailer. I buy all my beer locally and avoid chain restaurants and try to buy local grocery products.

  97. Wait what? by WWWWolf · · Score: 1

    meaning you won't be able to watch movies like The Hunger Games and World War Z through the service anymore

    Well, this would have been a big loss indeed. If I had been able to watch those movies through Netflix to begin with, not being in US.

    It's absolutely mindblowing how much distributor-to-distributor backstabbing goes on in US and it just doesn't matter here because they never got around to get their stuff here in the first place. Obligatory XKCD.

  98. Neflix just isn't worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There just isn't anything worth watching on it anymore.

    I cut my cables two years ago. And my TV broke 8 months ago. I watched a bit on the iPad but I find myself "channel flipping" through Netflix now too looking for something in may have missed. I'm about to cancel. Netflix has lost its sheen...

  99. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Bengie · · Score: 1

    In Netflix' SuperHD, 700MiB is only about 11.66 minutes.

  100. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    Bullshit. In the United States, no politician is a "leftist," not even Bernie Sanders. You have to go to Europe to find actual leftists!

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    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  101. Re: Epix was one reason they were forced to strea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You guys are just mean! Both sides... Grow up!

  102. Dropping Epix and gaining a lot by Frigga's+Ring · · Score: 4, Informative

    Did people read a different article than I did? The linked article says the following:

    "We also have some great family films coming your way, including Minions, Hotel Transylvania 2, and Home through arrangements with Sony Pictures Animation, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Animation. Starting next year, we will be the exclusive US pay TV home of the latest theatrical movies from the The Walt Disney Company, including Pixar, Lucasfilm and Marvel movies. The majority of these films will arrive on Netflix faster than traditional arrangements had previously allowed."

    I lose movies like World War Z and Transformers and gain access to the libraries of Disney and Sony? So long, Epix.

  103. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by kimvette · · Score: 1

    > The laws were written to give property owners control over the right-of-way on their property.

    Doesn't that negate the very purpose of a right-of-way?

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  104. Netflx' head on a platter by Atrox666 · · Score: 1

    If iTunes picks up this contract and becomes the place where you can get all this stuff and not just another channel then Netflix might as well board up the windows now.

  105. The beginning of The End by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    A few more "improvements" like this and I'll abandon Netflix.

    And by "improvements" I mean fucking it up, adding commercials, and making a hash out of what there is to watch.

    Good job, guys, I knew you could fuck it up if you tried hard enough.

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    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
  106. So what they're saying is... by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    So what they're saying is that they want the masses to go back to pirating the movies?

  107. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    rather than offer a reliable download and buffer model, so this might be good news in the long run. I live in Seattle, and I don't know anyone with a connection fast enough to stream Netflix.

    I live north of Seattle about ~10 miles and we can stream Netflix without any problem. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever had an issue with streaming it. We're using Frontier, so that may be a factor. Their speed and reliability/uptime have been pretty good so far.

    (We just got power back after 3 days, so watching Netflix isn't high on my list of things to do right now.)

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    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
  108. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Very often, cities are blue, rural/suburban is red, where the state falls depends on the proportion of urban to suburban/rural.

    In Maryland (very blue), the entire state is red, except two counties. Baltimore County and Prince Georges County carry the entire state in elections, but the state is not entirely blue as nationwide politics would have you believe.

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    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  109. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Macrat · · Score: 1

    For how long in a given month before T-Mobile cuts you back to EDGE and its 0.05 Mbps dial-up-class speed?

    Never. I barely use 500MB per month. Maps, email and web don't really require a lot of data.

  110. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    That was my thought, a right of way is land that the property owner technically owns, but has been given over to the city/state to use for utilities. Why would the property owners have any say over how it is used?

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    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  111. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just stop your bullsh*t. You're embarrassing yourself.

  112. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Tailhook · · Score: 1

    So, no, it's not a matter of governance

    Horseshit. I know from personal experience that your "cash cow" theory is pure fiction.

    My previous home had both Comcast and Qwest/Centurylink. I had 12-20Mbps from the latter and 20-50Mbps from the former at various points up to 8 years ago. Both of those companies are entirely capable of providing broadband when they are not faced with la-la land anti-business governments making their job into a minefield.

    Rationalize all you want. It's your fault. Enjoy.

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    Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
  113. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by bobbied · · Score: 1

    Sanders isn't left? Oh boy, that's a good one to this hard core right wing Tea Party guy... Sanders makes Clinton look like a republican, at least right now he does.

    Seriously, we all need to be totally honest with ourselves and with each other and back off the partisan rhetoric. I fully recognize my perspective differs and take pains to understand what people like you are thinking before I open my big mouth, if for no other reason than to try to understand how you can justify your positions which are so so wrong. ;)

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  114. If you use Comcast for Internet connectivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then you're not a cord cutter. All that Netflix and like services have provided is watching at your convenience. Your still paying Comcast.

    Comcast missed out on providing this kind of service, but in their defense most of their subscribers are sports fans who watch events at the same time.

  115. oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The major problem with netflix movie streaming is that they release the same old content over and over again with maybe 1 or 3 new movies within a year. They wasted billions on Disney and will probably get to see the old and prequels of Star Wars in 2016 but who cares I've seen these more than 2 times. Better to spend $9 to $20 on purchasing DVD's or blue-rays then to wait for netflix to shell out $30 million for a movie license. Netflix original content is not bad and I do enjoy some of them. Netflix is losing TV shows as well and I doubt they will be able to renew the license since content owners make more $$$ from cable TV.

    Netflix needs to have a monthly category to see what they have released on the 1st day of the month and through out it and then flush it at the end of the month and just repeat. I shouldn't be searching for new releases on the web it's like they don't want their customers watching any good tv shows and movies at all.
     

  116. New Top Gear by rHBa · · Score: 1

    Netflix are also producing Clarkson, May and Hamond's new show. It won't be called Top Gear of course, the BBC still own the name, but it's being made by the original production crew and the same cast of course.

    Personally I'm looking forward to the three way super-hybrid showdown (McLaren P1, Porsche 918 Spyder, and Ferrari La Ferrari) which I've been informed will be filmed next month...

    Disclosure: I don't work for Netflix but am friends with one of the ex Top Gear staff.

    1. Re:New Top Gear by vakuona · · Score: 1

      Netflix are also producing Clarkson, May and Hamond's new show. It won't be called Top Gear of course, the BBC still own the name, but it's being made by the original production crew and the same cast of course.

      Personally I'm looking forward to the three way super-hybrid showdown (McLaren P1, Porsche 918 Spyder, and Ferrari La Ferrari) which I've been informed will be filmed next month...

      Disclosure: I don't work for Netflix but am friends with one of the ex Top Gear staff.

      The Clarkson, Hammond and May show is actually on Amazon!

    2. Re:New Top Gear by rHBa · · Score: 1

      You're right as well, shows how much bloody attention I was paying... must remember to check /. at work more often, rather than after the pub...

  117. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

    Honestly I don't even know how the hell she got elected. I never met a single person who actually liked her, and I've lived in Arizona my entire life, including Tempe. She's got a big reputation for telling bald faced lies.

  118. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by KapUSMC · · Score: 1

    Agreed... This is a pretty idiotic line of thought. I live in the only state where every single county voted red in the last two presidential elections and have more than one carrier where I can get 48+mbps. The D or R next to the politicians name isn't why he has no high speed access, it is his local government and ISP.

  119. My god you people are stupid by spitzak · · Score: 1

    The "republicans" post is a TROLL!

    Holy crap, stop it with your "insightful" comments that Seattle is not very Republican. The poster knows that and is just delighting in seeing you people show your idiocy by trying to "correct" him.

  120. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Cito · · Score: 1

    On definitely I have Netflix which I do pay for it augments my piracy :-P

    But Netflix super hd is fucking amazing even on my little Nexus 7 2nd gen which has a 1080 native res its amazing.

  121. Human nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used netflix in/before Starz days and quit for some time... Went back to 'check it out' over the years and the service really sucks compared to what it was like... AS far as content goes... It's current 'system' pushes episodes and doesn't let you browse all their content, rather only perform searches which are largely unavailable...

    Not worth $7.99 month to me... Says something about the people who do like/pay for the service tho...

  122. Lifetime sub by tepples · · Score: 1

    Not the previous poster, but I've been struggling to understand how to answer this question

    Let me explain my reasoning: Someone who drops a subscription to video on demand (VOD) in favor of OTA DTV reverts to having to schedule her life around when a program is broadcast or miss the program. To restore an experience remotely comparable to VOD, a viewer needs to use a DVR. TiVo DVRs are sold with very slim (possibly even negative) margins, hoping that people will either pay for the required monthly subscription or buy a $500 lifetime subscription for the unit.

    My DVR is a Linux PC running MythTV that I bought in 2008 [...] not including my time spent assembling the computer, learning how to use MythTV, or keeping things running

    Are those sold pre-assembled and pre-configured at a reasonable price? I ask because I know a lot of people who would find "not including my time" unacceptable. They choose to pay for TV because they're willing to pay extra for the reliability of an appliance as opposed to having to fiddle with keeping a big tower running and updated in the living room just to have VOD.

  123. Netflix uses a lot more than 500 MB/mo by tepples · · Score: 1

    I live in Seattle, and I don't know anyone with a connection fast enough to stream Netflix. [...] 160 kbps

    Geez, I get 30Mbps from my T-Mobile LTE.

    [How fast do you hit the cap on LTE?]

    I barely use 500MB per month. Maps, email and web don't really require a lot of data.

    Netflix uses a lot more data than that.

  124. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With picture quality that will make you want to claw your eyes out.

  125. They added almost NO new movie content this month by Halo5 · · Score: 1

    ... and it's been that way for months now.

    I'm starting to think that Chief Content Officer Ted Sarandos is not a very good Chief Content Officer...

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  126. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Bengie · · Score: 1

    Not around here. Local ISP was running fiber through another citizens lawn and that person wasn't even a customer. Trenched a line right through. If you're in the city, ISPs have 100% access. They come through my property to run to someone else's land. Never even contacted me. They did a great job though, very professional. I couldn't even tell where they buried the fiber without getting up close.

  127. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anguirel · · Score: 1

    From my discussions with people in other areas, it seems that by global standards, most Democrats are Center-Right (and Republicans even further Right than that, though honestly not that far off in the majority of their platform - the large parts neither party ever really talk about). I will agree that Sanders is likely at least Center, if not slightly Left, but in many places, that still wouldn't make him a "leftist". He'd still be "centrist".

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    QA: The art of telling someone that their baby is ugly without getting punched.
  128. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    Nope, Sanders is centrist. Actual socialists are way farther left than he is.

    You only think he's leftist because the mainstream Democrat party is moderate right-wing.

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  129. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by bobbied · · Score: 1

    Oh how left we lean....

    And I suppose his "I'm a democratic socialist" claim doesn't mean anything then... Not that he is a socialists but he does claim to be one... I'm prepared to believe he's pretty much to the left of center because that's what he claims he is, what most commentators call him, and what he appears to be to this guy on the right...

    He may look centrist to you, but I'm guessing that's just a prospective problem on your part.

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  130. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by bobbied · · Score: 1

    Of course he's left of center, here's why:

    1. He calls himself a "Democratic Socialist" which is left of the democratic party which is itself left of the center in this country. Yea, I know he was "independent" but that does NOT mean center in this case, as he's his own brand of socialist light...

    2. He's running to the left of Hillary right now, trying to erode her support with the democratic base. Hillary is running just left of center (well she's not really doing anything right now but staying out of the fray and cashing donor's checks) trying to protect her base and force Sanders et.al to run left of her because there is no room on the right in the democrat party. He will be forced further left in an effort to garner support from the base once Hillary unleashes all her money and actually starts the campaign...

    3. It's what democrats ARE. They crowd the center from the left, just like the republicans crowd from the right. Democrats are generally left of center, almost without exception.

    Sanders may want to SAY he's centrists, Clinton will run as one too. Heck, Obama ran as a centrist but he's been decidedly left of center in his policy and actions. Everybody wants to SAY they are "in the middle" but few really are. So my policy is to ignore what the candidates claim they are and look at their track records, assuming they have one. Obama was *clearly* a left of center politician even with his short record, and has lived up to my expectations fairly well. Sanders would make Obama look like George Washington if he made it to office.... Not that I'm worried he would, Hillary is going to squash him like a bug with all the money she has once she actually *starts* her campaign.

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  131. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Yes, but Arizona's not quite that way. Remember, the infamous Sheriff Joe Arpaio is in Maricopa County, which is the county that has almost all the Phoenix metro area (only Apache Junction, east of Mesa, is outside of it, in Pinal County). He keeps getting re-elected by the voters in the Phoenix metro area, not a bunch of rural people. Also, the majority of the state's population is in that same county, and they keep electing Republican senators.

  132. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    I don't know if I would exactly compare Phoenix with Baltimore as far as urban goes :)

    I would expect the population density of your average central/mountain time city is about like the suburbs around here.

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  133. Re:Epix was one reason they were forced to stream. by Anguirel · · Score: 1

    Which is why I said "globally". He's left for the U.S., but the comment you replied mentioned needing to go to Europe to find a true "leftist". The U.S. as a whole is decidedly Right from a global perspective. As I said -- Democrats (from this global perspective), are Center-Right, Republicans (again, from this global perspective) are Right to Far Right. Bernie is left enough of the common Democrat to maybe make it back to Center or even slightly Left, but would not be considered "leftist".

    I also disagree with your perception of Obama's actual policies and actions (as opposed to his rhetoric). Going solely from what he personally has done as President (i.e. primarily continuing and extending the policies George W. Bush set into place, defending the need for Patriot Act powers), he'd probably be hailed as the best Republican president we've ever had if he had an "R" by his name.

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    QA: The art of telling someone that their baby is ugly without getting punched.
  134. Solution by felipou · · Score: 1