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Miami Installs Free Public Sunscreen Dispensers In Fight Against Cancer
HughPickens.com writes: If you walk along South Beach in Miami right now, you will notice something strange, even by Florida standards: Dotting the sandscapes are sky-blue boxes that supply free sunscreen. In a novel experiment this year, the City of Miami Beach has put 50 free sunscreen dispensers in public spaces, and those dispensers are full of radiation-mitigating goo, free to any and all passersby. BBC reports that one in five people living in Florida will eventually suffer from skin cancer but the new campaign hopes that increasing people's awareness will lead to a change in behavior. "[The sunscreen dispensers'] visibility — even without additional messaging — could be a good cue to action," says Dr Richard De Visser, a psychologist who has researched health campaigns.
The sunscreen is the type that is effective at preventing cancer and premature skin aging: Broad-spectrum, water resistant, and SPF 30. You can buy a product that is labeled as higher than SPF 30, but it's almost always a waste, and potentially harmful. Above SPF 30, the difference is essentially meaningless. SPF 15 filters out about 93 percent of UV-B rays, SPF 30 filters out 97 percent, SPF 50 filters out 98 percent, and SPF 100 might get you to 99. The problem, though, is the psychology of the larger number. "We put on the "more powerful" sunscreens and then suddenly think we're Batman or some other superhero who can stay out in the sun indefinitely." says James Hamblin. "But no sunscreen is meant to facilitate prolonged exposure of bare skin to direct sunlight." Dr. Jose Lutzky, head of the melanoma program out Mount Sinai, says Florida is second behind California in incidence of melanoma but the trend is going in the wrong direction. "Unfortunately, our numbers are growing. That is really something we do not want to be first in."
The sunscreen is the type that is effective at preventing cancer and premature skin aging: Broad-spectrum, water resistant, and SPF 30. You can buy a product that is labeled as higher than SPF 30, but it's almost always a waste, and potentially harmful. Above SPF 30, the difference is essentially meaningless. SPF 15 filters out about 93 percent of UV-B rays, SPF 30 filters out 97 percent, SPF 50 filters out 98 percent, and SPF 100 might get you to 99. The problem, though, is the psychology of the larger number. "We put on the "more powerful" sunscreens and then suddenly think we're Batman or some other superhero who can stay out in the sun indefinitely." says James Hamblin. "But no sunscreen is meant to facilitate prolonged exposure of bare skin to direct sunlight." Dr. Jose Lutzky, head of the melanoma program out Mount Sinai, says Florida is second behind California in incidence of melanoma but the trend is going in the wrong direction. "Unfortunately, our numbers are growing. That is really something we do not want to be first in."
Waiting for the protests from the folks who believe Sunscreen actually causes cancer (chemicals in the lotion vs the sun's rays).
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We haven't had as much cancer because the average life span increased from the last few thousand years ago, dramatically increased. Most likely it was people not living long enough to develop cancer what with everything from disease, starvation, and parasites to war and other atrocities, man simply wasn't lucky to live long enough to get cancer. Those that did were probably genetically hardier as well...or rich.
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Well, that and people with paler complexions are at a greater risk of sunburn and skin cancer (which is why they have to wear higher SPF).
Northern Europe isn't quite as sunny as much of North America. Put simply, white people aren't really evolved for the Florida climate.
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"For thousands or millions of years humans have spent their lives outside farming, hunting, gathering, etc. and haven't had as much cancer as we have in todays society"
CFC's reduced the ozone layer causing more UV to get through to the ground
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Joseph M. Mercola (born 1954) is an alternative medicine proponent, osteopathic physician, and web entrepreneur, who markets a variety of controversial dietary supplements
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Mercola and colleagues advocate a number of unproven alternative health notions including homeopathy,
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Mercola criticizes many aspects of standard medical practice, such as vaccination
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Sorry, if it looks like a quack and sounds like a quack, he probably is a quack.
"We put on the "more powerful" sunscreens and then suddenly think we're Batman or some other superhero who can stay out in the sun indefinitely."
The reason why Batman can stay out in the sun indefinitely is not because he uses SPF 100. That's utter nonsense. The real reason is that he wears his underpants on the outside, thus adding a significant layer of protection. If you wear your underwear on the inside the extra protection is lost due to body warmth causing the underwear to expand and let UV light pass through nano holes (or larger, depending on the age of the garment).
Or possibly cancer is more easily diagnosed that it was in the past.
"Miami Installs...." is not correct. Miami and Miami Beach are two different cities, separated by Biscayne Bay. Miami itself does not front on the ocean, so its own swimming beach is on Key Biscayne, an island with no direct driving connection to "The Beach". TFA doesn't say if that beach also got the dispensers.
Miami now gives out free sunscreen in a limited number of locations and this is news worthy of our attention? Why? Shit, my university in was giving out free condoms to new students in 1990 (and maybe before, I don't know) and it didn't make the news. I don't get it.
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The life span has not increased substantially at all. IF you make it to your 21st birthday your golden.
I use sunscreen, but only when absolutely necessary, because we simply don't have enough data to make a conclusion about the health effects of absorbing the chemicals (and metals) into your skin. There is no proof or disproof either way, so you side with caution -- regardless of how accepted and ubiquitious the product has become in the mainstream. It's just plain common sense.
If there is money involved -- in any aspect of life -- then there is no place for trust. Period.
As for the people who refuse to even contemplate the issue, they are followers and it's simply their nature to reject any view that goes against the mainstream.
For thousands or millions of years humans have spent their lives outside farming, hunting, gathering, etc. and haven't had as much cancer as we have in todays society. Now its coming out that the roundup sprayed onto all of our food likely causes cancer. I wonder if the chemicals in sunscreen might also have a link.
For thousands or millions of years humans have lived shorter. Cancer incidence increases with age (source), therefore, the reason why there was less cancer incidence in the past is because most people died of other causes before cancer could get them. I'm not arguing that some chemicals sprayed on crops may not induce, or, at least, increase the odds of, cancer, but just comparing the data from the past to the present data is not sound proof.
By the way, there is a chemical implied in the higher incidence of cancer nowadays; that is CFC, which made the ozone layer thinner.
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The sunscreen isnâ(TM)t free, it is just taxpayer funded. That said, I can picture the politicians that approved this having some monetary interest in sunscreen.
Florida is at the same lattitude as Africa. No Europeans are evolved for this Climate.
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(...) Those that did were probably genetically hardier as well...or rich.
And many rich people got less sun exposure, especially in southern Europe.
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We require the sun's rays in order to produce vitamin D (which isn't a vitamin), which has healing properties inside our bodies. Too little vitamin D and the body goes into "hibernation" mode, where it doesn't adequately fix damage; it does a quick job, and then does a better repair job when summer comes.
If one is wearing sunscreen, then "summer will never come" and the body will remain in a state of disrepair. Which benefits the health insurance industry (it's not a "health care" industry).
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
Miami itself does not front on the ocean
And consequently, Miami has never dissed the ocean.
While I'm sure that I could point you towards numerous statistics and research that proves otherwise, your own statement does that for me. The vast majority of people in 1st world nations (ie "Modern") easily live to see their 21st birthday. That alone confirms that the general population lives longer -- which was the crux of my point.
CFC's and the ozone layer are not so much of a problem any more. They replaced CFC's as the main liquid for refrigiragion and other heat transfer systems. And that was effective.
I think that (just my personal oppinion):
a) There may not have been that much less cancers in the past. Just not as well recorded.
b) Risk of cancer get really high if you get burned regularly (especially at young ages). There I think that people who live outside all year have less risk of getting burned than us living and working inside all day and then, during hollidays, go lying in the sun.
c)We live longer ==> more chance of getting cancer.
if you ever bothered to crawl out from under your shell, you'd need some sunblock, big time
Actually, you may be correct. Maybe this is news after all; the news being that US Luddites have, after almost half a century, have decided that perhaps wearing sunscreen is a good idea.
http://www.skincancer.org/medi...
That, and the fact that we only classified cancer as a thing quite recently. No one was diagnosed with cancer a couple of hundred years ago, but that doesn't mean that no one died of it.
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Politically, the Canary Islands are European, and at the same latitude. And northern Africa is really white, compared to most people in the world.
I'm guess they didn't go out of their way to use BP-2-free sunscreen...
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/n...
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I've had this discussion with people in the past, and personally, I feel that there's a big difference between an increase in cases of autism (or anything, for that matter), and an increase in DIAGNOSED cases of autism. In the past 10 years (or so), our understanding of the signs of autism has greatly increased, which would then lead to a increase in the number of cases. Does that mean we're doing something to cause that increase? Not at all, it just means that we have a name now for what's "wrong" with those kids that 15-20 years ago were just labeled as "weird" or worse.
Mostly the rapid change in diagnosis. Today we move quickly to identify a child on the spectrum of autism. Decades ago we considered them on a spectrum of "strange".
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Strange. How do you account for the rapid increase in autism? Your appeal to military alert systems is quaint, but irrelevant. Facts fight quacks, and you provided none, just ad-hominem attacks.
There are a bunch of possible explanations including changes in diagnostic criteria. It's not just mild behavioral cases being "upgraded" to autism. It's the other way too: I know someone who used to work in a an "autism" care home. The kids there were all diagnosed with autism but they were in reality much more disturbed than this. For example, one of the kids got angry one day so he pulled out his eyeball and threw it at a care worker. This wasn't a bad quality care home: these were kids from rich families.
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10-15 minutes a day of exposure to direct sunlight is enough. Not to mention dietary sources, dickhead.
OTOH, hours per day of exposure to sub-tropical sunlight sans protection is enough to give you nightmares in your fifties, when your doctor starts telling you that "this lump has to go, and this one, and most of your ear, and this one, no, two, no three, on your scalp".
Of course, if you live above/below 60 degrees off the equator, you'll need all the exposure you can get, but for those of us in the rest of the world, we need to to be careful, because we don't have a risk of insufficient exposure, we run the risk of excessive exposure. See, it's all about context. The residents of Miami/Miami Beach don't face the risks of *insufficient* exposure, they face the risks of *excessive* exposure.
Too little, and you face the consequences of insufficient self-synthesized "vitamin D". Too much, and you face having multiple skin tumours.
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Im sorry could you be less vague and handwavy? What, specifically, are you implying is causing autism? And what makes you think the rates are rising?
I think it has more to do with couples delaying children until later in life. Women have all the eggs they'll ever have so the longer you wait, the more likely there will be environmental factors that may affect a woman's eggs. With women being released from marital bondage, women are more likely to work and get stressed, to drink, and have sex. If a woman sows her wild oats, she may reap autistic babies.
Should say, "Miami uses some of the tax money it collects to buy sunscreen for some people in some locations."
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So Miami Beach is a city, Miami beach (lowercase) is the beach of Miami, and Miami Beach beach is the beach of Miami Beach?
Life span in 1798 was 103!
From wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The longest-living person whose dates of birth and death were verified to the modern norms of Guinness World Records and the Gerontology Research Group was Jeanne Calment, a French woman who lived to 122. The maximum (recorded) life span for humans has increased from 103 in 1798 to 110 years in 1898, 115 years in 1986, and 122.45 years since Calment's death in 1997 (See List of the verified oldest people and List of verified supercentenarians who died before 1980), among steady improvements in overall life expectancy. Reduction of infant mortality has accounted for most of this increased average longevity, but since the 1960s mortality rates among those over 80 years have decreased by about 1.5% per year. "The progress being made in lengthening lifespans and postponing senescence is entirely due to medical and public-health efforts, rising standards of living, better education, healthier nutrition and more salubrious lifestyles."[3]
The main improvement was in childbirth mortality thanks to sanitation and vaccines. Life span and life expectancy are not the same thing.
Facts fight quacks, and you provided none, just ad-hominem attacks.
I don't think this is true. Or at least not as true as it should be. There is evidence to indicate that engaging these people in reasoned discussion boosts their standing because it makes the public think that they are saying something worth refuting. This is what they are craving, so ignoring or mocking them has its place.
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We put on the "more powerful" sunscreens and then suddenly think we're Batman or some other superhero who can stay out in the sun indefinitely.
Wait... since when is Batman analogous to someone who stays out in the sun all day? I'm am pretty sure Batman is the "dark knight" who mostly goes out after dark. That was the most confusing example anyone could possibly have come up with.
Cancer until recently was a disease that no one talked about. People who died from cancer, would just be got sick and died, or death by old age, or died from unknown reasons.
It isn't a rise in cancer rates, but a rise in cancer survivors, due to proper and early diagnosis, and a support system to deal with the disease.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
You seem to be forgetting many of the other factors that affect North America and, in particular, the USA. Aside from the lengthened lifetime mentioned by others you also have factors like the amount of average skin coverage by clothing. It is obvious that in the US that has been going down from the puritanical "cover everything" roots of the country. You also have effects in the upper atmosphere (such as ozone depletion) caused by chemicals. This allows more UV through the protective layers of the atmosphere. Combine that with less clothing and longer lifetimes you get more sun exposure. Add in the increased amount of productivity over the same time frame leading to more leisure activities and BOOM. You get melanoma without sunscreen.
SPF 15 filters out about 93 percent of UV-B rays, SPF 30 filters out 97 percent, SPF 50 filters out 98 percent, and SPF 100 might get you to 99.
Sounds like we need a new labeling system. Perhaps they should say "XX% percent protection for Y hours."
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For thousands if not millions of years people simply didn't get old enough to die from skin cancer.
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Maximum life span is the key phrase. There are extremes and are not representative of the general population. With some exceptions (things like WWI/WWII, the Plauge, and other such events influence global life expectancy averages) the world's life expectancy has increased steadily. By 2050 it's being estimated that even Africa will be seeing the average life span being around 70 years with 1st world nations topping out at 80. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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Life expectancy even increased if you ignore all deaths before the age of 5. We can heal a lot of diseases that were lethal 2 centuries ago. And for those that still are we can prolong the life considerably.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Cancer is mostly a disease that comes with age. Yes, there are a lot of childhood cancer cases, notably in leukemia, but the majority of cancers is something for people who lived past their "breeding years".
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This is incredibly confused. 103 was the *maximum recorded lifespan.* What matters is the *average lifespan.* It is true that if one takes into account improvements in infant mortality the jump in life expectancy hasn't been as large http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/life-expectancy-myth-and-why-many-ancient-humans-lived-long-077889. But even given that, life expectancy on average has gone up by about a decade in the US in the last 200 years even if one only works at people surviving past infancy.
My wife goes to a dermatologist a couple of times per year and talked to her about SPF numbers and her dermatologist was pretty adamant about using some SPF number above 30.
I was kind of surprised, because I know I had read that SPF numbers above some number (30, even, maybe) were only marginally more effective.
I use whatever broad spectrum UVA/UVB spray-on SPF 50+ I can buy cheapest and re-apply every couple of hours or when I've been in the water much or toweled off. I never get sunburn and seldom get much of a tan, either, so I figure it must be working.
The main reason Im not engaging is that when someone endorses homeopathy, AND opposes vaccines, AND theyre selling dietery supplements, the changes that there will be a consensus on what constitutes "science" or "evidence" or "reason" is very small. I could try to use facts to debate each one point by point, but its not like I would be breaking bold new ground; a 5 minute google spree could tell you what the realistic risks and proven benefits are to vaccines, or the actual (limited) effectiveness of homeopathy. Someone willing to discount those bodies of evidence is unlikely to pay any mind to any of the arguments I could bring to bear. Why should I even waste the time?
Several of my family members, myself included, have had exactly this happen. It wasn't from wearing sunscreen but from not getting enough outdoor time (we all work or otherwise spend a lot of time at home). Tests showed us all critically low on vitamin D and somewhat low on calcium (due to lack of D).
If you search then you will find that this is actually a huge problem. Many people think more people die of low vitamin D (which can cause numerous issues including heart failure) than skin cancer. Thankfully there are some fairly large movements (particularly in places like Australia) to educate people on the importance of getting enough sun exposure.
Supplements can help but they can not provide the amount of D that your skin can. Plus your skin is self regulating so that you don't get too much D (which can also be a problem because it's a fat-soluble vitamin).
I never knew this was a thing until I experienced the worst part of the symptoms (dizziness, passing-out, bruising, etc). Even been in the ER because of it (they said I was perfectly fine but they don't test for vitamin levels). Finally I got tested and found my D levels extremely low.
That's because of the Moor/Muslim excursions and relatively recent.
Just driving to work here will give you enough exposure to the needed rays. It's blazingly hot in the morning and raining in the afternoon. My dermatologist told me the UV index is so high here that he'll see sun damage on people that have long commutes moreso on their left side.
Dietary supplements are quackery since when? Sure there are cheaply made poor supplements, but there are clean pure high quality supplements that work very well. When I take a cocktail of vitamines and minerals every day I have enough energy to stay awake, be productive and am not hungry all day and night. When I don't take them I'm tired and hungry all day and night and have to take naps.
Something is happening.
This is something else happening.
This must be causing that. Otherwise how do you explain it?
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Indeed. Standard advice for people who are Vit D deficient says "Go outside. It is not sufficient to go somewhere with sunlight, the light must hit your skin directly. However DO NOT SUNBATHE". Vit D deficiency is a minor annoyance, treatable with a cheap readly available product. Skin cancer kills people. So if for some reason you're obliged to choose, don't choose skin cancer, thus, do not sun bathe. A mile walk on a sunny day is fine. Lying on the beach for four hours is asking for trouble.
Sounds to me that a glass of milk a day would've done you all a world of good.
I don't like putting chemicals on my skin, so I just wear a giant sombrero. Here is a selfie of me and my cool lid:
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Two things. One, now a days, people use 'autistic' or 'ass-burgers' where they used to use 'shy,' 'withdrawn,' 'quirky,' 'spacy,' and all sorts of words. Cousin Melvin wasn't 'rain-man levels of autistic,' he was 'beset by nervous breakdowns' and sent to live in the country.
Two, back in the olden days, you could physically beat mild autism out of a child, much like you could beat left-handedness, fingernail chewing, hair twirling, and other undesirable behavior out of them.
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Sometimes ad hominem is the best strategy not to wast time.
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CFC's and the ozone layer are not so much of a problem any more.
While ozone decline has been reversed and there has been slight improvements over the absolute minimum values seen, it still is a long way below the values seen in the 80s. It will take decades for things to recover. And we're still trying to phase out HCFCs that still can damage the ozone, but to a much less degree than the original CFCs. In the meantime, there is a pretty heavily correlation between areas near the ozone hole in the southern hemisphere and skin cancer rates.
It's not as dramatic as it seems. Reductions in infant mortality account for most of the change in the average.
Did you miss the part where even SPF 50 only filters out 98%? Not to mention the fact that the protection level fades over time, and most people don't put on enough to reach anywhere near that level.
So, sooner or later this will get contaminated, or someone will mess with it ... and then people are going to get some nasty things from these dispensers.
You can try to do nice things, but anything dispensing a liquid into the grubby hands of the general public is likely to go horribly wrong fairly quickly.
I'm betting in a few months some lab tests will tell us these things are just plain nasty.
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It's probably the "markets a variety of controversial dietary supplements" which leads one to suspect that this might be a snake oil salesman.
It's about the amount of sun power that's not blocked. If SPF 50 blocks 98% and SPF 100 blocks 99%. Then the remaining sun power that hits you with SPF 50 is 2% and with SPF 100 it's 1%. So you accurately get double the protection with double the SPF. Maybe the cream only lasts for a few hours, which is why they have dispensers everywhere, so you can restore your protection regularly.
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Depends on where they are... vitamin D is not added to milk in many countries.
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That's because of the Moor/Muslim excursions and relatively recent.
Well, if you're talking in geological terms, you're correct. Most of us, however, don't consider 1300 + years of Islam history 'recent'.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Dickhead.
You think shampoo is entering your skin? Soap? Alcohol when you rub it on a wound (it might enter the blood through the wound, but through the skin)? Iodine before surgery? Paint? PVA glue? The water when you shower? Felt-tip? Oh no! Sweat is entering my skin!
Moron.
Nicotine patches are RECENT and have to be specially developed. You can't just slap a cigarette on your arm and hope the nicotine penetrates. It doesn't work like that.
P.S. Water is a chemical. Your use of the word "chemical" tells me exactly what kind of idiot you are.
Additionally, you could rub liquid-suspended asbestos on your skin. Chances are you'll die of skin cancer because you didn't block the sun before you die of lung cancer because of what you were using.
If you can't eat it - I assume that you never shower, bathe, brush teeth, gargle or apply medical dressings. You're chances of dying because of THOSE things not being done is probably greater than any other risk.
Are you serious? That stuff has proteins. They call all kinds of trouble.
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Florida is at the same lattitude as Africa. No Europeans are evolved for this Climate.
If you credit "out of Africa", it's more likely that Europeans evolved AWAY from this climate. Florida is definitely not England when it comes to sun and temperature.
or they could remove it, picture the politicians that approved its removal having some monetary interest in skin cancer
Or possibly cancer is more easily diagnosed that it was in the past.
Melanoma is not hard to spot. It's right there on your face. Or your arms. Or sometimes other places, if they get lots of sun exposure.
And if the black amorphous blob(s) don't give it away, then the rapid onset of death probably will. Melanoma is easily cured as long as it's skin deep, but if left untreated for long enough to dive inside, it's virtually uncurable.
As I said, supplements simply can not replace the amount of vitamin D that UV exposure can. This really is a huge problem in modern society especially with all the sunscreen bullshit (never go outside without sunscreen, makeup with sunscreen, etc, which is all marketing for profit) and working inside. Search for the information and prove it to yourself, it's there.
Generally the darker your skin, the more UV exposure you need.
You also need to consider your skin color. I'm quite a bit darker than my GF, and I can stay outside in the sun with no problem, unless I'm at a pool. My GF can get fried much quicker if she doesn't use sunscreen.
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My son and I are good examples of this. When I was in school, I had trouble socializing and the social workers in school said I was "shy", "introverted", and "wouldn't feel like he fits in until college." (They were right on the last one.) My son is very much like me. When he had problems we had someone observe him and the diagnosis of Asperger's/High Functioning Autism came back. I have no doubts that - were I a child today - I'd have the Autism diagnosis as well. (I could seek a diagnosis for myself as an adult, but money is tight and I don't honestly think me being diagnosed would help me or my son.)
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If one is wearing sunscreen, then "summer will never come" and the body will remain in a state of disrepair. Which benefits the health insurance industry (it's not a "health care" industry).
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Although most babies born in 1900 did not live past age 50, life expectancy at birth now exceeds 83 years in Japan --- the current leader ----and is at least 81 years in several other countries.
It wasn't until the 20th century that mortality rates began to decline within the older ages. Research for more recent periods shows a surprising and continuing improvement in life expectancy among those aged 80 or above.
The progressive increase in survival in these oldest age groups was not anticipated by demographers, and it raises questions about how high the average life expectancy can realistically rise and about the potential length of the human lifespan. While some experts assume that life expectancy must be approaching an upper limit, data on life expectancies between 1840 and 2007 show a steady increase averaging about three months of life per year.
Global Health and Aging
In 1925, your life and health insurance client will be dead in 25 years. In 2015, your 25 year old client stands a good chance of living another 60 years. Which do you think yields a better return?
While people who scream chemicals and toxins are idiots usually, the post you replied to did not, and then you added a whole bunch of seriously wrong over generalizations. A lot of chemicals do absorb through the skin, but the issue comes down to rates and total amounts that actually get through. The human body can handle quite a lot of ethanol, so the rate it absorbs through the skin is too slow, however you'll see warnings about skin absorption in a methanol MSDS because the body is less tolerant and it has a higher absorption rate. In general, smaller molecules, including some simple inorganic compounds, and things that are lipid soluble can penetrate straight through the skin, and it depends then on how much it takes to affect the body and how fast the body removes the particular chemical. This is particularly a problem with some heavy metal compounds (slow removal from body), things like HF (easily absorbed through skin), and even some larger, biological molecules that are lipid soluble and potent.
No one thinks about aging when they are young, but by the time you do, you'll wish you had used sunscreen your entire life. It's the only "anti-aging" cream that works, not by stopping aging but it does protect your skin from the leathery, splotched look of old age caused by years of unprotected UV radiation exposure. To be really useful, it should be worn daily before going out into the sun, even going from the house to the car, and they do make products that don't feel like Vaseline good for it. L'Oreal makes several that work. Think of it like not brushing your teeth when you don't use it and you should be okay.
There is no greater rage than when a follower realizes that a mainstream opinion is being called into question.
Corollary: the person who resorts to name-calling and personal attacks is least likely to be correct.
Have you ever read the ingredient list on a typical sunscreen product? Do you realize that the sunscreen producer's motive is greed, not altruism? What in the world makes you trust them, other than the fact that mainstream opinion considers sunscreen no more of a health risk than skin lotion?
Its really that theyre rejecting the vast corpus of medical knowledge embraced by actual doctors who actually practice, and then tout how they have the secret supplement to prevent autisim or osteoporosis.
Hint: They dont, and if they did, theyd be an actual practicing doctor. Theres a reason he doesnt have an MD or PHD.
Parts of Europe are at a lower latitude than parts of Africa.
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Having survived until the age of 21, a male member of the English aristocracy in this period could expect to live:[24] 1200–1300: to age 64 1300–1400: to age 45 (due to the impact of the bubonic plague) 1400–1500: to age 69 1500–1550: to age 71
Now the above is noble men. But look at that date. 1550. People were living to 71 in 1550. That is only about 10 years below what we have in the USA.
You have to let stupid people kill themselves. That's how evolution works! They're messing with the natural order.
Is it considered irony when you argue against someone who claims that vaccines cause autism and use a word ("retard") that people with autism find offensive?
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And great-great-great-great-etc-grandpa died of "an imbalance of the humors" or "struck down by a demon/witch posing as a human" (who the village then hunted down and killed). You wouldn't find cancer in many books centuries ago (as shown in this Google NGram chart).
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
Give them time.
When someone says, "Any fool can see
Nicotine patches are RECENT and have to be specially developed. You can't just slap a cigarette on your arm and hope the nicotine penetrates. It doesn't work like that.
It sure works that way with e-cigarette liquid, though.
One of the theme parks I go to often has had free sun-lotion and soft drinks for about 15 years. It prevents problems. Less people getting sunstroke or dehydrated is less work for your hospitals and emergency staff. You can also recoup the costs when more people visit your area and use your hotels.
Mercola is a mixed bag of helpful tips and harmful advice. I was once told by a health fanatic coworker to read his stuff. A little of what Mercola says is right,"There is no minimal amount of mercury you want your body to be exposed to. Eat fruits and vegetables over drinking fruit drinks", but it didn't take me long reading his articles to see something is off. His anti vaccination stance is what made me stop reading the articles.
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The average life span has had hardly changed over tens of thousands of years. The average adult caveman lived into his 60 and 70s, many making it decades longer.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
On the flip side, think of the financial savings from public insurance treating fewer people for skin maladies. Your skeptical view is almost the default for /., to the point of being a platitude. To me, this is similar to requiring motorcycle helmets and the financial savings long term.
For those people who lived long enough to worry about skin cancer, (ie those who didn't die before about 15) the life-span increase has not been that much, about a decade.
We don't have to speculate - what is the skin cancer rate among native amazon tribes? - you know, the ones who spend 90% of their life outside mostly naked without sunscreen?
> You can't just slap a cigarette on your arm and hope the nicotine penetrates. It doesn't work like that.
What about chewing tobacco, and all the people getting centralized tooth, gum and mouth cancer? Clearly it doesn't just enter your stomach for digestion.
And most of your other examples are temporary applications. Shampoo? How long do you keep it on? Sunscreen often stays on for an entire day, since a lot of it is water resistent. Besides, there are many studies about sunscreen chemicals being absorbed. I don't know how you could even deny something like that.
You, sir, obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Exhibit A: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_(skin)
Exhibit B: https://www.google.com/search?q=water+soluble+absorbed+through+skin+site:nih.gov
Now sit down and shut up FFS.
And here's the most relevant one
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8570535
Absorption of sunscreens and other compounds through human skin in vivo: derivation of a method to predict maximum fluxes.
Abstract
PURPOSE:
The goal of this study was to quantify the transdermally absorbed amounts of the sunscreens octyl dimethyl p-aminobenzoic acid, oxybenzone, 4-isopropyl-dibenzoylmethane, 3-(4-methylbenzylidene)-camphor, isoamyl-4-methoxycinnamate, the repellent and plasticizer dibutyl phthalate, the antioxidant 3.5-di-t-butyl-4-hydroxyanisol, and the antimicrobial compounds butyl-4-hydroxybenzoate, biphenyl-2-ol, and 2,4,4'-tri-chlor-2'-hydroxydiphenylether (triclosane). Permeabilities PB and maximum fluxes Jmax should be correlated with relevant physicochemical properties.
METHODS:
Saturated solutions of the above-mentioned compounds in a propylene glycol/water mixture were applied to the skin using glass chambers which were fixed to the upper arms of volunteers. Maximum fluxes were calculated from concentration decreases in the vehicle.
RESULTS:
A linear relationship between the logarithms of permeabilities PB of the penetrants (0.02-0.28 cm h-1) and the corresponding octanol/vehicle partition coefficients PCOct/V (166-186,208) was found. Consequently, the influence of aqueous boundary layers could be neglected. However, the slope of the resulting straight line of 0.38 is considerably smaller than unity indicating that PCOct/V does not represent the lipophilicity of the stratum corneum adequately. Maximum fluxes range from 0.5 to 130 micrograms cm-2 h-1. A general equation for the calculation of Jmax was derived based on experimental data taking into account the PCOct/V and the solubilities CsV of the respective penetrants in the vehicle.
I have no idea what that means, but there you go...
He's been posting that same nonsense for months. No correction has yet penetrated his thick skull. Don't waste your time.
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The responses to this show me how stupid the slashdot population actually is. Fucking hell guys, this is a real scientifically proven problem (a couple minutes of your search time will prove this).
Dude, people find cartoons with orangutans playing volleyball offensive. I honestly don't care; I've got enough brain power to reserve offense to things requiring physical retribution, like rape. We should definitely pipewrench people for rape. People whose vocabulary uses the word fuck a lot, well, we can pick the meat off the bones and toss the rest away.
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There are no doctors to diagnose them.
Linux is for people who don't mind RTFM.
10-15 minutes is no where near enough for most people with darker skin (ie. most of the world's population). I mean, fuck, I'm only olive skinned and I need at least 30 minutes to an hour at the most "dangerous" UV exposure at the highest levels to even begin to get the benefits. I don't start to get red skin until an hour or two and that's with no previous exposure (ie. coming out of winter). In the summer I can withstand 4 to 6 hours without my skin becoming red and 8 to 10 hours before I start to "burn". Darker complications have even longer times.
I assume by the moderation that most of slashdot is made up of minority pasty white cave-dweller homebodies with brain-damage caused by vitamin D and/or B12 deficiency. You are the abnormal outliers.
Thank you very much, dorks. There is a reason you're the outliers of the human race; please don't lock me in a cell and drain my superior blood for your nefarious purposes due to your weak genes, assholes.
The ratio of people to cake is too big
I am quite aware that life expectancy is not a metric of how old people get, especially when the child mortality is high, sorry if did not make it clear before. However, while your figures are about the aristocracy, which has always been a minority, what I meant is that most cancer is more widespread nowadays because people in the past died of another thing before cancer could get them. While I can't rule out that sunscreen causes, or increase the odds of, cancer, as the GP implies, the overall increase of cancer is not sound proof of that.
Linux is for people who don't mind RTFM.
Two, back in the olden days, you could physically beat mild autism out of a child, much like you could beat left-handedness, fingernail chewing, hair twirling, and other undesirable behavior out of them.
Only if they got past dysentery, scarlatina, malnutrition, infection, etc. Then you could even beat the life out of a child, and nobody would care, as you could claim any of the dozens of other causes of child death had got your child.
Linux is for people who don't mind RTFM.
I meant 'Victorian age up until the 1960s or 1970s or so.' The days of teachers physically beating students are still easily within living memory.
But it's similar to how there's probably more reported cases of dyslexia now, than a hundred years ago. Hell, when I was a kid, they hadn't invented 'dysgraphia' yet, so I was labelled 'mildly retarded,' then 'sloppy and lazy.'
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Good to know your position on violence, you potential murderer.
if you live above/below 60 degrees off the equator, you'll need all the exposure you can get, but for those of us in the rest of the world, we need to to be careful, because we don't have a risk of insufficient exposure, we run the risk of excessive exposure.
Finland is between 60 and 70 degrees, and some of us still manage to get skin cancer.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
From :
Joseph M. Mercola (born 1954) is an alternative medicine proponent, osteopathic physician, and web entrepreneur, who markets a variety of controversial dietary supplements
Raising alert status to yellow...
Mercola?
I'm going straight to Brown alert.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
For thousands or millions of years humans have spent their lives outside farming, hunting, gathering, etc. and haven't had as much cancer as we have in todays society. Now its coming out that the roundup sprayed onto all of our food likely causes cancer. I wonder if the chemicals in sunscreen might also have a link.
People also died a lot earlier, making it to 50 was an accomplishment, not an expectation. They also didn't bother explaining how sicknesses worked, they just assumed people died because their sky faerie willed it and on occasion actively denied a link between a disease and a cause because sky faerie (which often made things worse, see: bubonic plague in London).
Oh, and they burned people for witchcraft when they didn't like them. Are you sure that was a better world?
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
I don't mean to be flippant - cancer is a dreadful disease - but I live near the beach in the melanoma capital of the world (Queensland, Australia), and I see a LOT of pale-skinned tourists sunning themselves for hours at the beach in summer. Trying to get a year's worth of sun in a two-week holiday is the wrong way to go about it.
The vista of bikinis is a wonderful sight, but I hope they're using sunscreen.
They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
I live near the beach in the melanoma capital of the world (Queensland, Australia), and I see a LOT of pale-skinned tourists sunning themselves for hours at the beach in summer. Trying to get a year's worth of sun in a two-week holiday is the wrong way to go about it.
This is pretty much the problem in Finland with its short summers. We only get a few weeks of warm and sunny weather each year, so a lot of people consider it a national duty to spend all that time sunbathing.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
And if you can tell the difference between a Sicillian and a Tunisian back-alley knife fighter, I'll eat my hat. Its a spectrum.
I wonder how many homeless will use it as "lotion"
Chewing tobacco contains fibers designed to make small cuts in your gums and allow the drugs to enter your system. If you just stuck a tobacco leaf in your mouth you would get nothing, unless you swallowed.
I wonder what brand of FREE sunscreen was given? Interesting info regards sunscreen: http://www.activistpost.com/20...