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An anonymous reader writes: I've started a second career, teaching English at a High School in a middle class area. While the large majority of students have a computer and internet access at home, about 10-15% do not. I assign papers that must be typed, I have papers turned in online, and I plan to freely refer to texts, videos, and other resources that are available online. This gives an extra disadvantage to students that may be from the poorer end of the strata, and also means extra inefficiency for me, as I have to make allowances for students who don't have a computer available at home.

Right now, I have to tell them to either use school computers during the day, or to pick up a $170 laptop (more than enough — I administer the class using such a laptop). However, I was surprised at the lack of a super-cheap option for students. I'd love to see something for $20 that any student could afford easily, or perhaps I could just gift to a few students. I feel like something in this price range could be sufficiently powerful for basic word processing, youtube videos, and internet searches (internet access is a separate issue). But looking over my options I see:

1) The very cheapest Chromebooks are also in the $170 range.
2) Android Sticks have been around for a while, and do cost in the $20 range, but don't seem to have matured into a generally usable technology. Surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be a community effort to easily turn these Android sticks into Ubuntu/Mint sticks.
3) Students can't be assumed to have the technical know-how to fix up a Salvation Army computer (I wouldn't mind helping out a bit, but I don't want to turn into tech support)
4) A Raspberry Pi costs $70 once you include a case/power supply/etc, and students would receive a big bag of parts.
5) Cheap Windows Tablets have glitches, and don't have an HDMI out.
6) There isn't a good solution to using a cell phone as a desktop computer.

Are any of my assumptions wrong? Are there any other options I'm not considering?

508 comments

  1. Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HP Stream 11. Preferably you can Linux-ize them, since the 11's kind of weak and hasn't got the grunt for heavy antivirus stuff. These guys are $200 a pop.

    1. Re:Stream 11 by Albanach · · Score: 2

      These guys are $200 a pop.

      That's the problem. The OP is looking for something substantially more affordable. It's easy for those with some reasonable income to not realize just how tight things are for the poorest members of society.

      That said, I think there's a real limitation as to what can be achieved at such low pricepoints. At about the $170 range you can have a decent screen, processor, storage, and RAM. As you go below that price point things have to be sacrificed. Unfortunately I don't see much in the way of screen-less options that save money. HP make a Stream desktop that runs windows, but it's still around the same pricepoint. Intel make a compute stick, which is better with a $135 price tag on Amazon, but that's probably still too expensive.

      Maybe you're stuck with something Raspberry PI like, with a small but fast SSD and a cheap case, keyboard, and mouse. That sounds like it could work, but once you have the computer, case, HDMI cable, SD card and some sort of removable storage so the kids can submit work, you're still going to have a price tag that is well above $50/head.

    2. Re:Stream 11 by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      http://www.newegg.com/Product/... - $50-$55, come in a variety of case colours, and has the basic cables included.

    3. Re:Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since the OPs school district isn't one that provides students with hardware, and some (increasingly more) do, then he/she has no business making it a requirement to have access to a computer in order to do their work.

    4. Re:Stream 11 by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Android 4.2 is a deal killer. Unless that model is supported by CyangenMod or other flavor, I wouldn't want an OS that old on anything new.

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    5. Re:Stream 11 by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that typing a paper on one of those would be brutally painful.

    6. Re:Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the OPs school district isn't one that provides students with hardware, and some (increasingly more) do, then he/she has no business making it a requirement to have access to a computer in order to do their work.

      except we live in reality and not some lala land like you. Hell back in 1987 I was required to turn in papers that were typed. I could do this with either my commodore 64 or a typewriter (our teacher didn't care)

      It's 2015 if the student doesn't have access to a computer at home the school, public libraries and neighbors do and they can use those or save to buy one themselves.

    7. Re:Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "The OP is looking for something substantially more affordable"

      "Affordable" isn't quite the word I'd use, "miracle" would be more appropriate. A few years ago a family friend needed a dirt cheap computer to replace their windows 95 box. The cheapest I was able to track down at that time was a refurbed business XP box, no monitor, for about $90. You're not going to find anything cheaper than $70 today unless you start raiding garage sales or bulk office equipment auctions. You can't buy a lot of decent peripherals (keyboards, mice, etc) for $20 let alone whole computers.

    8. Re:Stream 11 by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Realistically, this isn't for word processing. This is for all the other tasks and school/library/home computers can provide the rest of the functionality. In a pinch you can pickup a USB keyboard/mouse for $5 and hook it up.

    9. Re:Stream 11 by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      That said, I think there's a real limitation as to what can be achieved at such low pricepoints. At about the $170 range you can have a decent screen, processor, storage, and RAM. As you go below that price point things have to be sacrificed.

      I think screenless is the best way to get to the sub $100 dollar or even sub $50 range. Most people have access to a TV or monitor.
      I like the zotac ci320 zbox but it's over $100 and overkill for what this person is looking for. The better solution would be some sort of hdmi dongle.
      A quick amazon search turned up this: http://www.amazon.com/Androset... as well as several
      mentions of "finless bob roms". Not sure if they are any good but I would think that would be a good starting point.

      On a side note, I have an entire basement full of computers that are faster than most current tablets but are basically worthless.
      I could probably sell them for $50-$75 each but it would likely cost me more in labor to get them up and running to a usable state and
      unless it's someone local, shipping heavy computers at $20+ a pop makes it even less worth while.
      If anyone has recommendations of how to do something productive with several dozen decade old computers running windows XP, let me know.

    10. Re:Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They provide students access to equipment at school, the op is asking for options for them to be able to work from home. For the most part $50 is going to be the very bottom, but will usually need some things added on to make them really usable, a $50 tablet is going to suck for typing reports without a USB-to-go cable and keyboard.

      Something like the Stream 7 tablet at $100 (sometimes less) would be close, but fails the hdmi output they are wanting. Realistically they are looking at $75-$150 to get a decently usable general purpose type of system. The lower end requiring more assembly type of work and technical knowledge.

    11. Re:Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coming soon - Chrome Bit

      http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/31/google-chromebit/

    12. Re:Stream 11 by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Android 4.2 is a deal killer. Unless that model is supported by CyangenMod or other flavor, I wouldn't want an OS that old on anything new.

      Compromises have to be made somewhere to keep costs down. There's cheap and then there's "best practice", this is the former. A Pi is $20 more for a more up to date OS + hdmi cable but you provide the child labour to assemble it. There's trade offs with everything at that level.

    13. Re:Stream 11 by CimmerianX · · Score: 1

      Not the same. In 1987, we would read the books or the mimeographed material, write out the papers on actual paper, and then could go into the 'media lab' at school to type it up on their typewriters. Today, the material is online and the kid must have online access just to read the needed material. Libraries close and there is usually a line for the limited computers they have (at least at my library). Neighbors don't run internet cafe's and assuming a kid can go tot he neighbor's house every day after school to use their PC is just ridiculous. What if the neighbor is on vacation, out to dinner, or just sick of your kid coming over??

    14. Re:Stream 11 by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Pi is not a viable option because it isn't a complete solution on its own.

      And not considering TCO is also a problem with "low cost" solutions, because if the initial cost is low, but ends up being a complete time sink for IT to support the "low cost", all you have done is cost shifted from product to services by IT. The cost of servicing IT devices is the bane of IT departments everywhere.

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    15. Re:Stream 11 by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Something like the Stream 7 tablet at $100

      They could get something way better if they bought used instead of new. My local Goodwill has usable laptop computers for $25. That is less than the cost of a single textbook. Most come with Windows and MS-Office pre-installed. As a bonus, some come with a photo collection of the previous owner.

    16. Re:Stream 11 by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      WalMart: mouse under $7, keyboard $7.40.

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    17. Re:Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    18. Re:Stream 11 by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      You won't get any disagreement with me there. I'm very much a fan of paying up front for the right tools for the task and minimizing ongoing costs that usually only increase with time.

    19. Re:Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Between the school's library and the public library, there should be ample time for a few hours of videos and typing per week.

    20. Re:Stream 11 by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      This is better

      It is in just about every way. Amazon, that is not "in store pickup only" like MicroCenter, is $80. Problem is, when that sale ends the regular price is significantly more. The option I listed is a sale price as well but it's ~$10 more regular price vs $120 more.

    21. Re:Stream 11 by thoromyr · · Score: 0

      and the AC said "decent peripherals" not cheap crap that will break when you look at it...

    22. Re:Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've seen those photos.

      It isn't a bonus.

    23. Re:Stream 11 by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      I've been using a $5 mouse for over 10 years. Hardly something that will "break when you look at it". My keyboard cost I think $8 or something like that. It's lasted easily the same length of time. It's not like keyboards, mice, or even monitors routinely crap out and are replaced. Other than buying a new computer when was the last time you actually needed (not wanted) to replace your keyboard?

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    24. Re:Stream 11 by Linsaran · · Score: 1
      That fails requirement #3, it can't be assumed that the students have the technical know how to fix up a salvation army type computer.

      Sure, a techie (even a poor techie) could make that work. But when something goes foo-bar on that laptop, the teacher doesn't have the time to provide the free tech support to make it work again.

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    25. Re:Stream 11 by rgbscan · · Score: 1

      Dell Lattitude 600 series or 800 series laptops are worth a look for around 100-120. These were the workhorse laptops in the Core2Duo days at most businesses. Very easy to find a 2gig model with 80gig hard drive running Vista 64bit (eeew) that can be upgraded to Win10 for free. Spend another $30 bucks on ram to bring it up to 4 gigs and its a snappy little laptop. These are what I pickup and use at the churches I volunteer at providing free IT support.

    26. Re:Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even at that price you're using up 37% of the "$20" budget for a single peripheral, 72% of the budget for both. Yes, you can find bargain basement peripherals, buy in bulk (consumer level, not business) and you can usually get keyboards/mice for $4-6 for halfway decent brands (I buy some Rosewill stuff, not half bad) which gets your peripheral cost to around half. But unless you go to extreme lengths you're not going to get a computer, mouse, keyboard and monitor for $20 retail. The ONLY possible way I see of getting a full PC for anything under $40 per would be to buy a pallet of old office PC's, a pallet of old peripherals and a pallet of old monitors at the right government auction and reinstalling an OS on all of them.

    27. Re:Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could get something way better if they bought used instead of new. My local Goodwill has usable laptop computers for $25. That is less than the cost of a single textbook. Most come with Windows and MS-Office pre-installed. As a bonus, some come with a photo collection of the previous owner.

      High school students don't buy their textbooks, so the comparison is irrelevant.

    28. Re:Stream 11 by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      There will always be excuses for those who seek them.

    29. Re:Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What sale? The REGULAR price is $60 in store and $80 on Amazon. It's never going to increase, it will only decrease in price because it's already an outdated model.

    30. Re:Stream 11 by budgenator · · Score: 1

      I see, you were expecting to see someone else's wife naked.

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    31. Re:Stream 11 by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Not if you contract with a leasing company to get a deal on ex-lease computers. They should be 100% functional, re-imaged as new, and are usually pretty cheap.3-5 year old business computers for under $100,

    32. Re:Stream 11 by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he could hire one of his minions ... er, students, to do basic tech support. Either for pride/helpfulness, extra credit (for educational tech support and helping a fellow student), or even for money.

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    33. Re:Stream 11 by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      As far as I know only Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 users are entitled to a free upgrade, not Windows Vista. It's technically possible to put on a Daz activated version of Windows 7, then upgrade and activate Windows 10, but it's not legally licensed.

    34. Re:Stream 11 by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      His best bet is the Windows tablets, I have been seeing them in the $80 and below for quite awhile. So it doesn't have HDMI...and? Its fricking $80 for a netbook that runs Windows, you want features like HDMI? Those cost more money bud.

      It seems like he wants full laptops for $50,well girls want ponies, people in hell want icewater and I want a million bux...its nice to want things, it does NOT mean you are gonna get 'em and the cheapest units I have seen that are ready to go OOTB with screen, Wifi, and keyboard is those $80 Windows tablets. I have got to play with a couple of 'em and for school work? I don't see why they would have any issues, the quad Atom is more than fast enough for web surfing and running something like Libre office and the keyboards while nothing fancy work decently. Its light, cheap, easy to use...what more can you ask for at that price point?

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    35. Re: Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it would be possible to install something like centos 7 linux and use that without any hardware update. Long support life on the os, includes libre office.

      My work did not provide a laptop so i use an old lg laptop i had laying around (originally vista). Small mechanical hdd, core 2 duo, 2gb ram. It runs super fast with modern linux (mate desktop) and im very happy with it. It would be ideal if cheap enough reliable hardware could be sourced. Preferably intel or nvidia graphics (amd video would probably work, but driver quality is lower).

    36. Re:Stream 11 by Papaspud · · Score: 1

      When my parrot got on my desk and tore all the keys off of the keyboard, but other than that....... never.

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    37. Re:Stream 11 by JimSadler · · Score: 2

      I left K-12 in 1963. At that time we had many teachers who had insisted on typed papers being turned in and that practice was common back to about 1956 . We were not allowed to use white-out for errors so any glitch mean typing a page. A paper written in the ninth grade might mean 15 hours for me to peck it out. That meant that using a machine in someone else's home was not practical. So in essence we were indirectly required to get a typewriter or receive very low grades. The hand written paper may well be considered as not completed as required. The problem with kids getting a computer today are about the same as it was for us getting a typewriter. Schools need to supply students with these items. We ran into the same problem in chemistry classes as the slide rule calculations were difficult and required great precision. It helped to be able to buy a high quality slide rule.

    38. Re: Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one they can steal of course. Stream at 11.

    39. Re:Stream 11 by twistedcubic · · Score: 2

      Leave a note on the bulletin board at your local library offering inexpensive computers.

    40. Re:Stream 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP poster here. I saw this sort of opinion expressed a lot, and i would like to say: what the fuck?

      People have had to turn in typed papers since forever ago (I had to, back in High School in the 90s). As college students, they will be expected to already be familiar with properly formatting a typed essay, and with using knowledge that they get online. As adults, 90% of what they write will be electronic, be it e-mail, presentations, or even Slashdot posts. I am teaching students who will go on to study in University (often a top university) and live productive lives. They NEED to know these things. If I was a math teacher I wouldn't make the class slide-rule based, just because a few students don't have a calculator at home. Yes of course a lot of the skills would transfer over, even if all the students were writing with a quill and a jar of ink. That doesn't mean teaching with a quill is just as effective.

      The joke tagline was "from the lowest-common-denominator department," and that 's exactly what a lot of Slashdot is recommending back to me. It's unfortunate that some students don't have a piece of equipment vital to their proper education, and I was asking for a cheap and easy way for them to get it. Not a recommendation to give them a 1980s era education.

    41. Re:Stream 11 by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      20 bucks bt keyboard and 50 bucks cheapo android.
      or a 40 bucks android tablet + keyboard.
      or the 20 bucks dongle + 20 bucks keyboard.

      the use case doesn't exactly need a full blown computer/os. really the next level is the 170 bucks laptop. he already knows the cheapest choice.

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    42. Re:Stream 11 by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      Leave a note on the bulletin board at your local library offering inexpensive computers.

      Yeah, this would be great if they were ready to go. If they were ready to go, I could sell them on craigslist. The problem is that most of
      them are in various levels of disrepair. Most of them are missing their harddrives and the ones that aren't missing their harddrives would
      still need their harddrives wiped before giving them away. A "computer club" could probably get them all up and running in a matter of
      a few days but I don't have the time to do it myself.

    43. Re:Stream 11 by Warma · · Score: 1

      What if you used a Raspberry Pi or some other cheap thing and got the mouse/keyboard/monitor from the salvation army? The total prize would not be much more than for the Pi and you wouldn't need to worry about getting defective stuff (if you did, you'd notice it right away).
      Some of the students would probably be bribed (with extra credit) to set up systems like this.

      And yes, this wouldn't be a laptop or a tablet, but no-one can get work done on a tablet anyway.

    44. Re:Stream 11 by antdude · · Score: 1

      How old are they? Pentium 1 MMX types? Porn? ;)

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    45. Re:Stream 11 by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Neither is a tablet. The intent is to have the students type papers. Do you want them to do that on these craptastic soft keyboards? And even worse, do that on a 7" peep hole screen with low resolution? Need to add at least keyboard, mouse, and display....which overall will then cost more than the Pi 2 with a Wifi dongle. Plus, the Pi 2 can run many native apps that are identical to desktop apps compared to a tablet. I find the Pi is a very viable option if cost is the biggest issue.

    46. Re:Stream 11 by allston · · Score: 0

      And there is nothing wrong with pen, paper and proper penmanship. I would tell the teacher to suck an egg, like I did when asked to type up my physics outlines in high school. Typing up a paper here or there is fine, I could handle that workload on my mom's old SMC typewriter, but mandating them to have expensive computer equipment or use the usually screwed up or occupied public alternatives is not right. If this asshole of teacher has to supplement his curriculum with outside materials that are only available online, he needs to either par them down so they can be presented in class or get a better text book. Fucking lazy ass loser kicking the bucket down the road, and usually its the poorest kids who have it hardest or with dad who lived through the depression. BTW I graduated High School in 2002

  2. Brilliant use of Ask Slashdot - congratulations. by Bruce66423 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've no suggestions unfortunately - but I think it's good to commend imaginative uses of this forum

  3. Cheapest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $70

  4. You've got the important points. by Art+Popp · · Score: 2

    The critical question for such a determination is:
    --Do you have anything else you can get get cheaply?
    This very much alters the outcome. Por ejemplo: Given the inexpensiveness of wide screen monitors, the old 17" are thick on the ground at a couple of my work places, used only by interns. If your middle class folk can get you a heap of them for near-free, then yes, the Raspberry Pi2 will work well and keyboards and older mice are found in the same filing cabinet drawers. The Pi2 addresses shortage of CPU that was painful in the previous versions. It's very usable.
    --Do you have shop class at a local school that can make you some cases?
    http://lifehacker.com/make-an-...
    --Are you looking for an amazing set of projects your kids can do?
    https://www.raspberrypi.org/ma...

    If you can't get the monitors cheap/free, then the Pi and even $80 worth of monitor have brought you into the Chromebook range.

    At that juncture you have to choose your poison. If you want consistent and easy to maintain, you'll need to purchase large batches of new chromebooks. If you have a little technical know how, you can pick them up in the $120's all day on ebay and as refurbs on woot.

    1. Re:You've got the important points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Monitors themselves are cheap at Goodwill etc. I recently bought an extra flat screen monitor at my local goodwill for $15 and $2 for a power cable. With some time spent at the local thrift store, the peripherals are very affordable used and only need to be checked out to make sure they work. Even better if you can get them donated somewhere, but it isn't necessary to keep the price down.

    2. Re:You've got the important points. by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Even with a free monitor, for the $80-ish a Pi will cost - not to mention the tech know how required, etc. then perhaps one of the cheap Android laptop devices would have a better cost/benefit ratio?

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Min...

      I have an older version of this (wm8650 based) and it works fine...

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    3. Re:You've got the important points. by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Free monitors tend to be VGA only : CRT, 1280x1024 LCD and the cheap wide monitors (in fact some narrow ones do have DVI, but the cheap wides never do)

      That makes the Pis incompatible with them. Although a HDMI TV may be increasingly common.

    4. Re:You've got the important points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The critical question for such a determination is:
      --Do you have anything else you can get get cheaply?
      This very much alters the outcome. Por ejemplo: Given the inexpensiveness of wide screen monitors, the old 17" are thick on the ground at a couple of my work places, used only by interns. If your middle class folk can get you a heap of them for near-free, then yes, the Raspberry Pi2 will work well and keyboards and older mice are found in the same filing cabinet drawers. The Pi2 addresses shortage of CPU that was painful in the previous versions. It's very usable.
      --Do you have shop class at a local school that can make you some cases?
      http://lifehacker.com/make-an-...
      --Are you looking for an amazing set of projects your kids can do?
      https://www.raspberrypi.org/ma...

      If you can't get the monitors cheap/free, then the Pi and even $80 worth of monitor have brought you into the Chromebook range.

      At that juncture you have to choose your poison. If you want consistent and easy to maintain, you'll need to purchase large batches of new chromebooks. If you have a little technical know how, you can pick them up in the $120's all day on ebay and as refurbs on woot.

      I guarantee that every single one of these families has an HD tv in their home. They can use that as a monitor.

    5. Re:You've got the important points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      TV is serious business. You don't want to risk a homicide by sharing it. A practical computer needs its own display.

    6. Re:You've got the important points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TV is serious business. You don't want to risk a homicide by sharing it. A practical computer needs its own display.

      Lol. Good point!

      Fortunately this isn't for a practical computer its for an occasional computer for homework use etc. so its own dedicated display might be overkill.

    7. Re:You've got the important points. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Back in the olden days, I had to hook up my computer to the 13" b&w tv set at night after everyone went to bed to get online @300baud and type my term papers.

    8. Re:You've got the important points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're talking about $20 computers and want HDMI out? Good luck getting a $20 HDMI _cable_ at a brick and mortar store.

    9. Re:You've got the important points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This very much alters the outcome. Por ejemplo:

      "This is America, we speak American."

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    10. Re:You've got the important points. by geoskd · · Score: 2

      Free monitors tend to be VGA only : CRT, 1280x1024 LCD and the cheap wide monitors (in fact some narrow ones do have DVI, but the cheap wides never do) That makes the Pis incompatible with them. Although a HDMI TV may be increasingly common.

      Although many poor households do not have a computer, 96.1% of households below the poverty line have TV's, with one third of those being large screen high def TVs. These will work just fine for the Pi. Even the 1 in 20 that are left needing a monitor, some of those could be convinced to get a second hand used TV to be used as a computer monitor. All else failing, there are plenty of computer recycling places out there that could be convinced to donate a few older HDMI TVs / monitors.

      The Pi has the additional advantage that the school can legally provide a ubuntu image for the students to use, and could easily re-image a messed up SD-card, allowing the students to tinker as much as they like without fear of bricking their computer, and not having any technical support to get it working again.

      All things considered, the lack of easy access to broadband is a far bigger problem

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    11. Re:You've got the important points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll probably need some of these HDMI -> VGA adapters for those older monitors. Luckily they are pretty cheap these days:

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/1080P-...

    12. Re:You've got the important points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in California. Spanish was here first.

    13. Re:You've got the important points. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Back in the olden days, I had to hook up my computer to the 13" b&w tv set at night after everyone went to bed to get online @300baud and type my term papers.

      Why would you need to be online to type an essay?

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    14. Re:You've got the important points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if you've ever been poor in a household with parents only superficially motivated to help their children's education process? Unless the household has more than one TV, perhaps even one TV per person, you might find that there is competition for the TV and little opportunity to hook up a gadget so little sally can do her homework.

      I don't really think that the Pi is all things to poor people's computing. Yes, I have multiple Pis, I know how they work. In my opinion, a cheap Android, or windows, tablet is a better solution. It's personal, you can type on it with a bluetooth keyboard, and you can watch videos and lookup wikipedia. It's not the end all and be all and will probably need to be supplemented with some school computer time, but, the child can curl up on a corner of their bed or the end of the kitchen table and get their work done.

      Additionally, the child will have some motivation to figure out how to use the tablet because you can play games on the thing.

      Posting as AC because I have no account and I'm long past caring about pseudo-social networks.

    15. Re:You've got the important points. by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      tons of refurbs at Microcenter dot com

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    16. Re:You've got the important points. by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      to submit

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  5. Option #3 by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> 3) Students can't be assumed to have the technical know-how to fix up a Salvation Army computer

    This is the cheapest option. For $50 you can get a working computer, with monitor. If you think that's rough, think of all the gummed-up, malware-laden computers that the 85%-ers have at home. Yet somehow, they muddle through enough to keep basic word processing, youtube videos, and internet searches working.

    >> (I wouldn't mind helping out a bit, but I don't want to turn into tech support)

    If you do ANY of these options, or anything else suggested here, you WILL turn into tech support. Deal with it.

    1. Re:Option #3 by McLae · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Designate several students as tech support for extra credit. Best way to learn is by doing (For some folks). Show the 'support' kids. Let them get the other kids up and running.

    2. Re:Option #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      also check local county government surplus sales. I got some pentium 4HT computers 1g ram that were wiped with 15 inch lcd mouse and keyboard for ~$25

    3. Re:Option #3 by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      Some charities also do a good job, for example Good WIll will clean up the computer, put a clean windows install and make sure it's essentially serviceable and properly licensed.

      http://www.goodwilldenver.org/...

    4. Re:Option #3 by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 2

      Designate several students as tech support for extra credit. Best way to learn is by doing (For some folks). Show the 'support' kids. Let them get the other kids up and running.

      Absolutely. The kids probably know more than OP, or will shortly.

      Nothing wrong with a Goodwill computer. Heck, down at the town dump, you can probably get two for free and make one working one out of them.
      The idea is not to get caught in the middle, with a stockroom full on non-functional donated computers. Get the kids to act as clearinghouse for
      old computers.

      Run Linux on it.

    5. Re:Option #3 by Forgefather · · Score: 4, Informative

      Came here to say this. Add to that local universities and large companies. Both will probably give you relative discounts if you direct business towards them and in many cases they are going to throw away the old machines anyway. My old university had a lot of money, but also had closets full of old Pentium and core 2 duo machines that they had no idea how to get rid of. Craigslist is also your friend.

      Used computers are probably the best way to go if you are looking for a machine for sub $50, and I doubt you will be able to go down to 20 unless you or the kids are willing to go dumpster diving for parts or are really lucky.

      The other alternative is to do what I did growing up without a computer with typed document requirements. Get to school before class and stay after to type up the documents at the library computers. Just a simple thumb drive allowed me to save all of my documents. I never even owned my own computer until High School (in the late 2000's). If I didn't have time in school I would draft the documents by hand and just transcribe them in the mornings.

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    6. Re:Option #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except make it "not extra credit", since awarding credit for such a pointlessly unrelated non-academic task would be patently unfair to... well, pretty much everybody.

      Is it required to be a buffoon who doesn't understand logic and practicality in order to be an English teacher these days?

      wtf

    7. Re:Option #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was about to suggest the same. It would have the potential to raise the class spirits as well.

    8. Re:Option #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anyone can learn to fix and maintain computers, then it is actually fair. Maybe more work for some than others, but so is schoolwork.

    9. Re:Option #3 by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

      Running Linux on it won't work. The modern Linux distro is every bit as resource demanding as Windows. The lightweight Linux distros that do exist, require a level of knowledge lacking in poor students.

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    10. Re:Option #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Designate several students as tech support for extra credit. Best way to learn is by doing (For some folks). Show the 'support' kids. Let them get the other kids up and running.

      Absolutely. The kids probably know more than OP, or will shortly.

      Nothing wrong with a Goodwill computer. Heck, down at the town dump, you can probably get two for free and make one working one out of them.
      The idea is not to get caught in the middle, with a stockroom full on non-functional donated computers. Get the kids to act as clearinghouse for
      old computers.

      Run Linux on it.

      Mod parent up!

    11. Re:Option #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goodwill is actually not a charity. But yes, they may still be a resource worth looking into.

    12. Re:Option #3 by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      They sure appear to be one

      http://www.bbb.org/denver/char...

    13. Re:Option #3 by leuk_he · · Score: 1

      At least you need that source for the monitor, mouse, keyboard. Buying those new well set you back 70+10+10.... that is a big part of the budget you can save. And then you need something creative to give these kids internet....

    14. Re: Option #3 by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

      That's not really true. Maybe for the initial setup, but you could take a lightweight distro, install whatever applications you need and then just image the machines.

    15. Re:Option #3 by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Ahh the good old "Linux is so great it breathes new life into old computers" circle jerk. For the better part of 5+ years I've found running Windows XP to be the best way to get a halfways sensible environment on really old junk (PIII with 256-512MB RAM and the like). Linux bloats up with wobbly windows and the like. Then 6 months later you're left with an old obsolete OS, and have to upgrade to the latest version of oooooobuntu Horny Hardon to get systemd, unity, and the latest attempt at pulse audio or whatever re-implementing a basic audio API, and completely broken Wifi drivers.

      While I shy away from Windows XP, on anything less than 1GB of RAM I'd say it's the best bet, though no matter what OS or browser, the internet will be pretty desperate, since all web coders code everything in CPU hogging Javascript garbage.

    16. Re:Option #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! Even your username announces you as a shill!

    17. Re:Option #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows XP runs passably for single-tasking with local applications on machines going down to maybe 256MB with a 1.2GHz Duron. Linux runs the gamut; it's highly dependent on the configuration. You can have a usable machine running a modern kernel and libraries on a 200MHz Pentium 2 using a bare minimum window manager, or turn on all the shit and bog down a reasonably powerful machine with a bunch of ugly compositing effects.

      Nothing's a panacea, and someone who thinks Linux solves everything lacks either experience or the capacity to learn....but someone who thinks it doesn't have its place either has an agenda or a head up their ass. Same can be said for most versions of Windows, too.

    18. Re:Option #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time I checked, and it was some years back, the Salvation Army was charging ridiculously high prices for used computers. As in I could buy new gear, many years more advanced, with far more RAM, disk space, and a faster CPU for less money off Newegg. The Salvation Army just didn't seem to have any concept of fair market value. Same thing with Craigslist. It's all "This computer cost $1500 new, will sacrifice for $800." Come on man... It's a 10 year old barely-working desktop that desperately needs a new power supply and memory upgrade and the video system keeps fritzing out. A new I3 below $300 box off Newegg will run rings around that obsolete crap, including graphics for games. (Or $800 will get a really nice top-of-the-line gaming laptop via Slickdeals.org if you're patient enough.) But they paid $1500 for it new all those years ago so clearly it's still worth quite a bit...

      Your mileage may vary, but watch yourself! People have ridiculous ideas on the value of obsolete junk!

    19. Re:Option #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so inserting an xubuntu disc and clicking 'install' is complicated now?

    20. Re:Option #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally agree here. I wish there was a good way to get these machines to people who need them. Unfortunately they often end up in the hands of computer salvage companies who either dispose of them (hopefully in an environmentally friendly manner - wink wink) or re-sell them at around $100 a pop which seems to be the floor price on old PCs/laptops.

      I can tell you that universities would much rather wipe them - install Linux (I like ElementaryOS for this purpose) - and give these computers to other educational entities.

    21. Re:Option #3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      still works for high schoolers here in 2015

    22. Re:Option #3 by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      That is not true. I run Lubuntu on a 12 year old laptop without any issues. Boots straight to the GUI. The only tricky thing that might require some help is executing sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get install synaptic in a terminal. After that use Synaptic to update/upgrade/install/remove packages. How much easier do you want it to be?

    23. Re:Option #3 by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      XP is no longer supported and the gateway to getting malware and viruses. Plus, you still need to buy a legal copy of XP which is an added expense.

    24. Re:Option #3 by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      The largest surface area of attack on Windows (and any OS) for a while has been through the web browser, not the base OS itself. While the OS isn't receiving updates:
      -Chrome is still updating and supporting XP till the end of the year
      -Firefox is continuing to support XP, I see no mention of a EOL for it
      -Adobe Flash is supporting XP (I hate Flash, but it's a major source of in the wild exploits)
      -For PDF I don't care what Adobe supports since it's a major source of in the Wild exploits, but PDF-Xchange viewer supports XP, and Sumatra PDF works if you want bare bones PDF capabilities.
      -Java is not supported, but thankfully not normally a critical must-have so it can generally be ignored.
      -Ad blockers will avoid a lot of malicious malware distributed through legitimate ad networks, as well as confusing ads on download sites that mislead users to download malicious software
      -MSE dropped XP, but I know Symantec at work still supports XP clients. AVG free still supports XP
      -Though not "legal" a simple registry edit will allow XP PCs to continue to get updates intended for XP embedded POS Ready systems until 2019.

      I'm not encouraging anyone to run XP, just really on really crappy computers that can't run anything newer.

    25. Re:Option #3 by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 1

      Ahh the good old "Linux is so great it breathes new life into old computers" circle jerk. Linux bloats up with wobbly windows and the like. Then 6 months later you're left with an old obsolete OS, and have to upgrade to the latest version of oooooobuntu Horny Hardon to get systemd, unity, and the latest attempt at pulse audio or whatever re-implementing a basic audio API, and completely broken Wifi drivers.

      Funny, I've been running Linux (Mint and Ubuntu) on old hardware for years and have never had the problems you claim.

      Mint, especially, seems to run well on older hardware and if it's really old, XFCE does the trick.

      XP, OTOH, is so full of security holes, running it on the Internet is always more of a risk than running any version of Linux.

  6. Windows tablets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-tablet-8-intel-atom-32gb-black/2077079.p?id=1219528554656&skuId=2077079
    Has HDMI out, but needs micro HDMI to HDMI cable, also would need bluetooth keyboard and mouse for 2ed screen

    1. Re:Windows tablets by thelonestranger · · Score: 1
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  7. Chromebooks. by chris200x9 · · Score: 2

    Not sure you can get cheaper than the mentioned chromebooks, even if there were a good 20 dollar option you'd still need a keyboard, mouse and monitor at minimum.

  8. Arduino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arduino nano + breadboard + power supply + jumper wires + 5110LCD + variable resistors + buzzer + LEDs = functional pong video game + many other projects for $20 on eBay.

  9. Even giving them a computer isn't sufficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You require interaction with the internet through the computer. Even if you give them a free computer that is perfectly sufficient, you still aren't allowing them to interact with the internet from their home.

    They can use the library for wifi, but if they are going there anyway, they can just use the computers there, no?

    1. Re:Even giving them a computer isn't sufficient by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      There may be a line for computers in the library. Not to mention that you could open more WiFi areas in school where more computers allows more access for more people at once.

      But, aside from areas like school, you have a point. Internet access would be necessary, and while there are programs and clever ways of obtaining said access, that access cannot be assumed.

      Of course, back when I was young, you needed to go to libraries to do your papers because the Internet was a big research project, so it may not be too much to ask for the kids to go to the library to do their work. Not as convenient as going home, but perhaps less distraction. I know I always did good work in the library when I could make myself go there. Obviously, competition for school computers would be a problem, and this is where this project might come in handy.

      The teacher would just have to not be a jerk about making the project parameters be set up in such a way that having to use a library or other communal space for Internet access be a huge disadvantage.

  10. No good without internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Students who don't own/can't afford computers almost certainly don't have/can't internet access either so there's not much point in finding an ultra-cheap one when the service cost would be a much bigger issue (with a $20 computer, internet access in most places costs more than that EVERY MONTH).

    1. Re:No good without internet by Required+Snark · · Score: 0
      Nope. Public libraries and coffee shops with free wi-fi. And that doesn't include resources available from the school itself. A high school might no have a whole lot, but a community college will have something, and high schools will always have some formal relationship with the local high schools. There will be a way.

      Try to think a little more creatively. Negative thinking can be self reinforcing.

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    2. Re:No good without internet by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      You can get 1.5 Mbps broadband from comcast or centurytel for $10/month.

      https://apply.internetessentia...
      http://www.centurylink.com/hom...

    3. Re:No good without internet by Blaskowicz · · Score: 2

      So you're back to the $200 laptop (with functioning battery)

      Or have fun carting a desktop, monitor, keyboard and perhaps inverter and car/truck battery to the library.

    4. Re:No good without internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And many of these places also offer computers as well. Indie coffe shops and not Starbucks but libraries and colleges certainly have computers.

    5. Re:No good without internet by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I know people who just "borrow" a friend's Comcast credentials and use the omnipresent xfinitiy wifi.

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    6. Re:No good without internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Public Libraries have computers and often require a bus pass. Coffee shops throw out children who look like their parents can't afford high speed internet. If the students have smart phones, then a Bluetooth keyboard is a good answer. If they don't have cell phones, TEACH TO YOUR STUDENTS instead of to the middle class students you don't have.

      $10/month for broadband assistance is larger than the (negative) discretionary budget of many families. Asking your students to choose between dinner and homework because you want writing assignments typed is FUCKING STUPID!

    7. Re:No good without internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personal computers took off years before the internet became popular, dumbass. A school computing course would be fine with sneakernet.

    8. Re:No good without internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is free wifi everywhere. I've been without a job this year but have a phone (no service since I have no money) which has been great for browsing the net anytime I'm hanging out near McDonalds TBell etc. Also Libraries, Coffee shops...

      Don't dismiss it, just having a machine can go along way when you're poor.

    9. Re:No good without internet by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 2

      Somewhat wrong. Perhaps mostly wrong.

      There are a large number of open wifi connections in the USA, and some students would be able to benefit from these.

      Also, a student with a $5 thumb drive can do his internet research at the library, or on a school computer or a friend's computer, and sneakernet to and from his home computer. We managed this kind of thing in the 1980s and it is much easier to now, since floppy disks have been replaced by thumb drives.

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    10. Re:No good without internet by DutchUncle · · Score: 2

      1. Calling someone effing stupid does not improve your argument; quite the reverse. Your point was very well taken until the last two words.
      2. It's not effing stupid, it's unthinking or unaware. I appreciate your point because my parents grew up worrying about the cost of each pencil or postage stamp, and reminded us of it regularly.
      3. Wanting writing assignments typed is reasonable if you have to read 120 of them, like when I was trying to get my high school teaching license (during an underemployed period). (Giving individuals an exemption as needed is also reasonable.)

    11. Re:No good without internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you could have just said "Language!"

    12. Re:No good without internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought the super cheap xfinity internet and then use my credentials to connect to my neighbors super expensive xfinity connection. You would think they would throttle the public xfinity wifi, but nope from my tests it is much faster to use the public wifi.

    13. Re:No good without internet by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      That's a great idea...

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    14. Re:No good without internet by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Floppies were somewhat easier because you could give them or give them back. For instance it would have made possible to hand your work to the teacher by giving the floppy. Well, in the late 90s floppies got unusable because the floppy and drive manufacturers stopped doing quality controls.

    15. Re:No good without internet by Dr.+Zim · · Score: 1

      Bad QC... really?

      Floppies were surpassed by other technologies in capacity and price per MB and no longer made economical sense to put them in computers.

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    16. Re:No good without internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must suck to live in your world.
      I worked at a school with 98% of students on free lunch and in poverty. Public libraries offered FREE Wi-Fi and Computers with your FREE library card. School fund raised to purchase 16GB flash drives for all students and they can carry there work with them between computers, mix that with a free Gmail account that has 15GB of free cloud, this is a elementary school.
      If they have a laptop, can purchase one or are donated one. Most mainstream coffee shops care little if you go visit after visit and without order anything, most money is made in drive thru during breakfast and after dinner. There are also other places like McDonalds and RaceTrack that offer free WiFi with larger amount of space.

      This is also a High School, he is talking about. After school jobs are easily possible.
      Personally, I had an after school job it paid for my bus pass and other stuff. I could use my bus pass to get to tons of location in city including my school, work and library. My first desktop computer was from a business that was upgrading there computer and was off selling the old (in todays world this is easy with craigslist). My first laptop was purchased after working full time for a whole summer. The difference is I didn't sit on my butt, I got out there and did something and guess what it paid off. I didn't get into stupid trouble after school, I worked my way up in jobs and I increased my learning. The difference is I didn't give up and found away to push forward. It wasn't handed to me on a silver patter.

      Guess what, in college they will need to type papers so they need to get use to it now, there almost there. I see no reason to believe this teacher is not teaching because using the computer is important; both computer skills and writing/typing skills are important in everyday life now. They don't have to chose between dinner and homework they just have to actually want to improve themselves which sadly is in sort supply in todays world of hand outs and do overs. Sounds like your a handout kinda guy/girl or just could figure out that you get out of life what you put in.

    17. Re:No good without internet by Devvo_151 · · Score: 1

      IMO the "F-ing Stupid" drove the point home and added to the overall quality of the post.

    18. Re:No good without internet by Marble+River · · Score: 1

      Comcast internet service is $10 a month in my district, if the student is on the free & reduced lunch program.

  11. Lynx 10" Tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got one of these for £150 in the UK. Not to shabby for the price. The Origami folding keyboard stand and track pad case is another £20. I have no idea what they cost in the US though. Perormance is good and they come with a 1 year free copy of Office 365. http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/linx-10-1291585/review

  12. But some old PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a core 2 duo from 2007, its more than enough for what your students have to do, it even runs Windows 10 if it is needed and it costs nothing.

    Full disclaimer: I'm teaching applied maths and CS and I design some of my courses on that computer so believe me it is more than enough.

    1. Re:But some old PCs by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I have no trouble believing you, you'd be able to do that on a PC not powerful enough to play a divx movie.

    2. Re: But some old PCs by m.alessandrini · · Score: 1

      I recently bought a core 2 duo PC on eBay for 70 euro. CPU si top of its family, and has 4 GB ram. Very powerful. Basically it was the top a few years ago.

    3. Re:But some old PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wats divx

    4. Re:But some old PCs by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I bet you could ping the business community.
      They may have a set of old pcs, laptops that are still good but just out of date that are no longer being used.
      Often due to things like downsizing, or just the old laptop now looks really old and bulky.

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  13. Google Docs app by NotPeteMcCabe · · Score: 1

    There's a Google Docs app that will run on an iPhone to provide word processing. Google account is free and the app is free.

    1. Re:Google Docs app by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Google Apps for Education is free to schools. Includes everything a school might need, including "Google Classroom" which is an excellent tool already.

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    2. Re:Google Docs app by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      . Google account is free

      A google account poses non-monetary costs. It is not free. Forcing those non-monetary costs on children, before they can even consent, seems like evil to me.

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    3. Re:Google Docs app by CimmerianX · · Score: 1

      So you need an iPhone to run it? They don't have an iphone if they can't afford a $50 PC....

    4. Re:Google Docs app by CimmerianX · · Score: 1

      Ditto. Getting the kids used to giving up privacy for some online tools is not a good way to start them off.

    5. Re:Google Docs app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically, they have quite different terms under their 'For Education' offerings.

  14. What about connection? by avandesande · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would assume that if they didn't have a computer home they probably don't have a connection either.

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    1. Re:What about connection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are currently in the beginning stages of going one to one. I'm not an educator so I won't weigh in on the concept but there are plenty of issues to address. Not only the connection at home but the robustness of your school's WiFi. Will Google Docs be blocked? Who buys the software? Who keeps the computer up to date to prevent malware from coming in? Will there be local storage available or will it be done in the cloud? Is the school's use agreement in line with students having un-managed computers?

      Bottom line IMHO, is to touch base the school tech department and start from there.

    2. Re:What about connection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Why try to get them a $20 computer if they will need a $50/mo internet connection? Can't believe there aren't affordable internet options and the telcos only try to shove $150 cable bundles.

    3. Re:What about connection? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      They can still write up their papers on the computer at home and then use a USB drive to take it to school where they would do research, submit it electronically, or print it.

    4. Re:What about connection? by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      Given the prevalence of modern consoles using internet connections, I wouldn't hazard making that assumption anymore. It is also very likely that they could get access to a wifi connection either from a neighbor or business they frequent.

      The whole situation amuses me though. I remember being one of the only kids in school that had access to a computer at home, let alone liked using it. Now we are almost to the point that teachers can start requiring students perform their work on computers and submit it over the internet.

    5. Re:What about connection? by intermelt · · Score: 1

      The whole situation amuses me though. I remember being one of the only kids in school that had access to a computer at home, let alone liked using it. Now we are almost to the point that teachers can start requiring students perform their work on computers and submit it over the internet.

      20+ years ago in middle and grade school I was also one of the few with a computer at home (also one of the even fewer with a "personal" computer and modem). At that time the requirement already existed to perform work on a computer and also print it out on a printer (dot matrix, ink jet or laser if you were rich). However almost no students had these things at home. That is the point of a computer lab, free periods and "late buses" This isn't anything new.

      My suggestion to the OP. Let the students deal with it. There are computer labs and libraries for these types of students. Things can be hand-written at home and then typed and submitted during normal or extended school hours. If they have cell phones, buy a bunch of Bluetooth keyboards and loan them out.

      On a side note, I would put money down that lack of funds isn't why they don't have a computer at home. Lack of need for a computer is more plausible. They probably have a tablet or at least the parents have decent cell phones which covers any of their internet or computing needs. The same people that didn't have computers when we were younger are the same people that don't have them now because they have a capable mobile device.

  15. Let them write it on paper by butchersong · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like you either need the school at the administrative level to have a policy that students need to have a cheap laptop (not unreasonable) provided by school or parents or you need to let your english students use their pencils and papers. I would think that reasonably legible handwriting would be a good skill to have and if they are going to learn that anywhere it is in english class.

    1. Re:Let them write it on paper by Moof123 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This.

      If your English class requires a computer, you have likely missed the point.

      Bear in mind that once Johny has an El Cheapo computer, he likely will be far behind on computer skills. His house will likely not have an internet connection as well. He may fall far behind after wasting more time on computer skill rather than reading and writing. Sending students to a bunch of online videos and texts may be trendy, but it is likely not actually helping your students.

    2. Re:Let them write it on paper by swillden · · Score: 2

      Sending students to a bunch of online videos and texts may be trendy, but it is likely not actually helping your students.

      I disagree.

      I think there's a lot of potential in "flipping the classroom", where lectures are watched at home and class time is used for interactive discussions and the work normally done at home. Upper level English courses don't really benefit as much because those tend to have very little lecture component to them anyway, but standard high school English courses which cover a lot of material like parts of speech, sentence diagramming, essay and poetry structure, etc., do include plenty of lectures which could be more efficiently watched outside of class.

      On the other hand, there are certainly lots of ways you could misuse computers in an English class, making them less effective than pencil and paper. But I don't get the sense that the poster is doing that.

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    3. Re:Let them write it on paper by alexander_686 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I will disagree, and I would argue that computers should not be intruded into this classroom.

      I tutor inner-city kids. Common issues are highly mobile families, poverty, English as a second language, and refuge status. They are academically behind their peers. Their parents are unsophisticated or put little emphasis on education. Throwing even modest obstacles can derail them.

      I get why computers are important to education. However, this has to be a school wide initiative, not a classroom one.

    4. Re:Let them write it on paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is now a movement for Work\Life Balance in the American workplace. Why would you try to impose more "work" outside of school hours. Yes, it would be a efficient use of the students time but I highly doubt it would be a better for the child as a whole.

      "He may fall far behind after wasting more time on computer skill rather than reading and writing."

      If in high school you are still developing s students writing and reading skills to what I would consider "acceptable", the school system has already failed that student. I would prefer that the students be acclimated to computers in high school as they are far more pervasive in today's society than using the pen and paper.

    5. Re:Let them write it on paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's probably too lazy to type it all into his computer for the plagiarism check. School isn't like you remember it.

    6. Re:Let them write it on paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. We need to stop chasing after the next trend in education, and get on about the business of teaching little Tomiqua how to read, speak and write.

    7. Re:Let them write it on paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He could OCR the text to digitize it. Maybe let the student make final edits/cleanups in the school computers.

    8. Re:Let them write it on paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not this.

      I teach at a college, so let me break it down for you in simple terms: Students need to have basic computer skills (ie, word processor use, browser use, various discipline specific software use) to succeed here. We generally *do not* teach them that. I even work at a community college, but students are neither required nor typically elect to take a class that would offer such basic skills.

      You can debate whether or not it would be good to go back a generation and allow for hand-written papers, but the fact is it is a debate that most of the instructors wont even engage in. With digital, you can:
      - offload a lot of actual work (spellcheck) to technology and focus on higher level concepts. I work with many English professors who've been doing their thing for decades, and guess what? They use spellcheck!
      - check student submissions for plagiarism
      - have a permanent record of everything submitted, often useful in cases where plagiarism is suspect
      - greatly simplify data storage. When I was in grad school, I had a colleague lose her masters thesis. It was stored digitally on a floppy disk, but fortunately she had emailed it to her advisor and was able to revert to a slightly older copy. Imagine if it was in print!

      I could go on, but I won't. Submitter, ignore this advice...you're doing the right thing.

    9. Re:Let them write it on paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think a raspberry pi device pre-loaded with as many free books as possible would be an invaluable tool to give out to children, but that's not really 'a computer' per se.

    10. Re:Let them write it on paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I now know why people create a 20 minute youtube video to explain what could have been written in three lines of text.
      Because we only teach stupid or lazy.
      Hope the power never goes out.

    11. Re:Let them write it on paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this. And before you say, "But, but, Technology!" this is Slashdot telling you that we know that computers on every desk in a classroom are not necessary. A lack of wikipedia on tap, no spell check, and handwriting practice are all good things. God forbid a kid would have to think about what he/she is about to write before making it permanent.

    12. Re:Let them write it on paper by swillden · · Score: 1

      Why would you try to impose more "work" outside of school hours.

      The idea isn't to add more work, but to keep the work load the same, merely swap what parts are done where, to make better use of the teacher.

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    13. Re:Let them write it on paper by swillden · · Score: 1

      I would argue that computers should not be intruded into this classroom.

      Okay, so argue it. You didn't, you merely stated that you were going to but didn't offer any rationale, other than a sideways hint that perhaps it's worse for inner-city kids because it might be an obstacle -- but no explanation of how watching video lectures at home is more of an obstacle than reading assigned texts or writing essays or other homework. Clearly it's an obstacle if the kids don't have devices on which to watch the lectures... but that's precisely the problem the questioner is looking to solve.

      However, this has to be a school wide initiative, not a classroom one.

      Why?

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    14. Re:Let them write it on paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - offload a lot of actual work (spellcheck) to technology

      And they can use a calculator for math homework!

  16. Recycling Drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you are willing to do a little traveling and effort, consider doing an electronics recycling drive. When I was the faculty advisor to the local college computer club, we received donations, evaluated them, built working systems from the parts, then shipped them off to Central America.
    Also, contact the IT lead at local banks and hospitals, and other major corporations in your area. Many times, they are GLAD to have someone take their equipment. Be warned that many times they won't include the hard drive. They might be willing to allow you the drives if you show them how to use DBAN, or sign off that you will do it yourself. If you can't get hard drives, boot from USB. We got A TON (literally, 2,000 lbs) of desktops, keyboards, mice, and monitors from a local large insurance provider.
    Xubuntu or Lubuntu with Libre Office ought to satisfy their software needs.
    Good luck!

  17. Lynx 10" Tablet by thelonestranger · · Score: 1

    I got hold of one of these in the UK for £150. It's not to shabby for the price. Comes with a one year free trial of Office 365 as well. http://www.techradar.com/revie...

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  18. How cheap is cheap? What needs to be done? by Nerobro · · Score: 1

    So, how cheap is cheap? $50? $100? $200? Does it need to be a laptop? Portable?

    Is the goal to have something that can do e-mail, web browsing, and writing papers?

    I noted the suggestion of linux. Are you prepared to teach linux? Android has it's "mostly single tasking" thing going on, and it's cranky memory management, so I'm not so happy with android as a desktop environment.

    As has been suggested, the HP Stream 11's are pretty good. They're a very capable laptop. They're available at Walmart and are about $200.

    Going much cheaper sends you into some really strange territory. Annoyingly the Pi-Top is $300... Which is a lot less powerful than a Stream11. If android is vaguely OK, there's a ton of android based tablets and laptop-ish things on the market.

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  19. Overlooking the true cost of computer hardware. by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The true cost of that computer asset does not start and stop with that one-time purchase.

    I think you might also be overlooking the fact that these families don't have a computer because they also cannot afford the $40+/month for broadband internet access to take advantage of all the online resources you wish to present to your students.

    And trying to keep that cost fixed by using a computer offline 100% of the time is rather pointless in today's environment.

    1. Re:Overlooking the true cost of computer hardware. by leonbev · · Score: 1

      Depending on where they live, they might be able to get government subsidized broadband from the local Internet providers. It's not fast (usually less than 5Mb/sec), but it only costs about $10 a month if you provide proof to the cable company or telco that you're broke.

    2. Re:Overlooking the true cost of computer hardware. by eionmac · · Score: 1

      This is a big point. Running cost of an ISP or internet connection may be at expense of two or more day's meals! Also are you sure the students CAN receive an internet connection at home? Some areas are not served by ISPs because of credit risk or in some areas there is no connection. (Many Areas of UK have no internet connection faster that old slow baud rates of 1990s due to very long distance copper wires. Where i gre wup it was achoice of starve for two weeks to get a peid or old second hand shoes! Suggest you get all student to use a LIVE LINUX you supply, that evens the field of software and you have control of OS.

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  20. Unusual requirement by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Cheapest Functional Computer For Students?"

    An Arduino running Haskel?

    1. Re:Unusual requirement by crgrace · · Score: 1

      "Cheapest Functional Computer For Students?"

      An Arduino running Haskel?

      A VIC-20 running VIC-Forth?

    2. Re:Unusual requirement by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      Forth isn't a functional language.

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    3. Re:Unusual requirement by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      A VIC-20 running VIC-Forth?

      I want to make some pun about Vic Firth, but I can't come up with any good ones. Dang it, I'm slipping.

  21. Functional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nah, I'll stick with procedural ones.

  22. stop teaching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously, you are a bottom feeder with nothing to teach anyone. You are so unimaginative, you can't figure out how to get along without a computer or the internet. Especially for a language class! Oh, and to top it off, almost all your assumptions are overstated. Again, please duck off, we have enough unqualified shit loose in this world. Go sweep a floor or something. You have nothing to teach anyone, and the thought that you think you do makes me angry.

    1. Re:stop teaching by halivar · · Score: 1

      He said, as he sped off angrily on his horse and buggy.

    2. Re:stop teaching by CimmerianX · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the teacher's defense, what they teach and how they teach is mandated by the district. Today's teachers just aren't given the same flexibility that teachers had back in my day. Everything is 'standardized' now, including the schoolwork which is approved by the district.... and remember the district is 'sold' the curriculum by private companies who like putting stuff online because it's cheaper for them.

      I keep telling people that the US got to the Moon with people taught in a classroom with books, chalkboard, and pencil/paper. Ipads are NOT a necessity for learning no matter how hard Apple tells you that they are.

    3. Re:stop teaching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Said the unqualified shit...

    4. Re:stop teaching by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      " Today's teachers just aren't given the same flexibility that teachers had back in my day."
      That is not always a bad thing. I remember my 5th grade teachers used science textbooks from 1967 in 1976. Yes she had a bunch of new science books but she did not like to teach science and we would go weeks without a science lesson.
      My sister had the same books two years later.

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    5. Re:stop teaching by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
      I was visiting home a few years ago and on a whim stopped in and saw my fifth grade teacher whom I'd not seen in 29 years. She introduced me to the few students who were sticking around as the kid who knew more science than she did. And it was all self taught from then 30 year old st martin's press Golden Guides and a 20 year old encyclopedia set in the back of the classroom.

      Unless you are doing research or are worried about stamp collecting, nothing in science changes that much especially considering what is remembered.

    6. Re:stop teaching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To play Devil's Advocate (a particularly appropriate term, since I am countering the defense, which puts me in the role of being a "Satan" ("accuser"))...

      Actually, today's teachers are given a varying amount of flexibility. Just a couple of years ago, I was given the flexibility to design my own entire curriculum, as was everyone else in my department. Our job was simply to share our knowledge. Basically, we were given a list of stuff to cover every five weeks. By "cover", it meant to spend 2-5 minutes on the topic. As this was a structure with 4 hour classes, that left us with a whole lot of time to decide how to fill it. These were college courses. In one case, I was assigned the laughable class of a discontinued software product. I managed to cover all of the required topics in 15 minutes, which included lots of mention about how the course's official software has no future whatsoever. I spent the rest of the class providing hands-on experience with useful material. I even discussed this plan with my supervisor, a chair who oversaw multiple departments (and actually knew quite little about my field).

      In another case (probably about 10 years ago), I heard of someone teaching at another institution who was hired on as a "teacher's aide" and then was placed in the role of the primary instructor for a class. My mom took her class, and I ended up sitting in for one hour. As fate would have it, during that hour she happened to describe her scenario: she was teaching Trig/pre-Calculus, and she was required to assign specific homework assignments every day. So she had no real wiggle room on deciding what topics to cover during even a single day. The Math department specified which questions were part of each night's homework assignment.

      So, the level of flexibility can range from the extreme to the extreme. Like many jobs, the working conditions can probably vary quite a bit depending on factors like exactly who your employer is. And our nation is large enough, with enough of a variety between different educational systems, that I wouldn't trust that a specific instructor is controlled as much as some other instructors are. The post's summary indicates that the teacher seemed to be making some decisions about the type of work that is submitted. So that seems to be different than what you're describing.

    7. Re:stop teaching by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      If you're going to link to a Golden Guide, at least link to the best one.

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    8. Re:stop teaching by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Well what I remember is that they talked about how someday man would walk on the moon.

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  23. 4) A Raspberry Pi costs $70 once you include ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't true at all. Shop around a little and you'll pay far less than that, and you don't have to give them the latest model.

  24. Pen and Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cost $1.00.

    1. Re: Pen and Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, but... Can I run a Beowulf cluster on them?

    2. Re: Pen and Paper by thelonestranger · · Score: 1

      Not agreeing but yes you can http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pukka-...

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  25. Orange PI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Orange PI
    $20 with case and usb power

    http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Orange-Pi-PC-set-3-Orange-Pi-PC-Transparent-ABS-Case-USB-to-DC-4-0MM/32451086788.html

    Review
    http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/07/raspberry-shmazberry-theres-a-15-single-board-computer-called-the-orange-pi/

    1. Re:Orange PI by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      $20 in quantities of 50 or more. It might take a few teachers getting together to do that. Still, less than $25 per piece below that.

  26. before home internet and PC was so common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I was required to do research and type papers using the library. Public libraries are still a thing, and have Internet and printing available. I don't suppose taking a bike, public transit or whatnot to a public library is too onerous to do school work. Nearby university or college might have library's available for use also. It's a quiet environment to focus on study.

    1. Re:before home internet and PC was so common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nearby university or college might have library's available for use also.

      You should try it.

    2. Re:before home internet and PC was so common by CimmerianX · · Score: 2

      Agreed for the term paper or research project. But today's kids are given daily homework that requires internet access. My kids aren't taught in class. The teacher assigns the online reading for them as homework. If a kid can't get to the library before it closes (i.e. wait for parent to get home to drive them), then they are shit outta luck.

  27. Don't require a computer by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are any of my assumptions wrong? Are there any other options I'm not considering?

    Yes, you shouldn't design your curriculum assuming students will have limitless access to a computer and internet. Don't have paper turned in online, print out resources to pass out to the student, show the videos in class, and make the amount of typing such that it can be done on school/library computers without excessive burden. There is nothing about learning the English language that requires a computer.

    1. Re:Don't require a computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was going to suggest allowing online hand-in for those who have the option, but then realized how easily it can be abused.

      So, yes, keep your English class purely physical. If a student complains that no one hand-writes essays anymore, remind them that you're not teaching a typing class. Outright refuse any paper that is printed.

      This isn't for some hatred of technology, this is about making sure that the students you assign the work actually do at least some of it. You won't be able to always stop someone from transcribing a wikipedia article when you asked them to write about a subject, but at least they will be forced to read and hand-write the text if they try it.

    2. Re:Don't require a computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course more difficult to check for plagarism in something written by hand.

    3. Re:Don't require a computer by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Are any of my assumptions wrong? Are there any other options I'm not considering?

      Yes, you shouldn't design your curriculum assuming students will have limitless access to a computer and internet. Don't have paper turned in online, print out resources to pass out to the student, show the videos in class, and make the amount of typing such that it can be done on school/library computers without excessive burden. There is nothing about learning the English language that requires a computer.

      I write for a living. I taught a couple of writing classes. Writing on a computer is not a luxury or a convenience, it's not just easier than writing by hand, it's qualitatively different.

      Writing teachers used to teach that the best way to improve a document is to rewrite it through several drafts. I used to retype a 10- or 15-page paper 5, 10 or more times on a manual typewriter.

      Now on a computer I can write continuous new drafts with no effort.

      As a result, I spend more time organizing my work, and get better-organized documents. I move paragraphs around, see how they look, and arrange them in a logical order.

      Spelling used to be an enormous chore, but now spelling correction not only corrects your mistakes but makes it much easier to learn correct spelling in the first place.

      Maybe the best value of computers is that the teacher can say, "I don't like this essay, it's wrong for this reason, change it," and you can change it with almost no effort.

      You could teach auto mechanics with 1950s cars and learn how to replace spark plugs and repair carburetors. You could teach science courses with 19th century equipment and repeat Faraday's experiments.

      But any kid that gets an education without the latest technology, that all his or her competitors grew up with, is getting a worse education and kept at a disadvantage.

      Suppose that instead of being born into wealthy families, Steve Jobs or Bill Gates were born into simply lower-income middle-class families where they didn't have access to the latest technology like the new hobbyist computers. How far would they have gotten?

      We have unfair economic discrimination in this country, wealthy kids have advantages that poor kids don't have, and there's no way to gloss over that by saying that it doesn't make any difference.

    4. Re:Don't require a computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life is unfair. But this is a good thing--it means you can bend it to your favor.

      If they put the onus on the students to find the resources to satisfy his criteria, some very creative solutions might result, including the impoverished students making new friends with other people that do have the resources, be it family, a neighbor, or fellow students.

      I and my friends did this all the time growing up. Johny has a swimming pool? Let's go to his place and swim. Fred has a nintendo? Let's go over there and play games. Susanne has a typewriter? Swing by after school to type up my paper on it.

      It's a valuable life lesson to learn to be resourceful--including getting into good graces with someone else. If they are already impoverished, this is a lesson that they may have to master to succeed anyways--no point in avoiding it.

      IMO handing them a solution helps them less.

  28. Bill & MelindacGates foundation by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Yes I will probably be modded down , but they have programs for educators and low income students and have been known to donate netbooks and tablets like their atom surfaces which are hybrids

    1. Re:Bill & MelindacGates foundation by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      You probably shouldn't get modded down. Some of my fine CS and engineering compatriots have attended schools founded by Robber Barons and financiers of another age. Bill Gates isn't even the worst of that set, although perhaps the richest.

      Bill Gates may have been an unscrupulous businessman who is even now, somehow doing wrong while at the same time, donating to charity, but I wouldn't argue with taking his money if it got the job done.

  29. As a parent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Its not the cost of the computer - its the fact that you are giving them access to the internet with all that goes along with that. Our daughter was constantly trying to use the internet for all sorts of not great things. It was a constant battle. It sucked for us. All her teachers gave homework online or they had to turn it in online.

    We had to give her a phone that would only allow her to call numbers we pre-programmed. She could only use the computer in guest mode under our direct supervision. Did we want to do this? Hell no. I would have rather given her an iPhone and a nice new computer and unlimited access to the internet. But I also didn't want her naked Skyping or dating adults. Ugh.

    So please. Just teach english. Forget the computers. Please.

    1. Re:As a parent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      From a parent of a teenage boy... EXACTLY!

      It's hard enough to keep him from gaming all night now, PLEASE don't put his English homework online and force me to grant him access to it!

      You won't believe the trouble I go though to make sure he's getting his homework done. All he wants to do is play computer games, and he can do so for hours on end. I have to password protect EVERYTHING, put parental filters on the network, on the machines he has access too and then I have to turn into some kind of secret police force so he will stop gaming long enough to do his homework. It's a pain in the butt but for his sake I have to do it. I know what I'm doing because I do this kind of thing at work and still sometimes he manages to find ways.

      I cannot imagine the problem this would be for the hapless parent who is clueless about system security, doesn't know about passwords, parental controls, much less how to configure them who is forced to allow their kids access to a computer for "homework" purposes. My kid would NEVER sleep and would NEVER get any homework done if I didn't lock all his access down and force him to do his homework first. He'd be online as soon as I went to sleep and be there all night if I didn't literally shut down my network and every machine he can access and make it necessary to enter passwords to boot *anything* in my house.

      Please don't make my life difficult just for English class...

    2. Re:As a parent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to be the one to tell you this but if you (and the GP) have to go to lengths like this you are setting your child up to fail as an adult. You can't control their live forever, you have to teach them to be responsible with technology (and in life) when they have freedom. If you restrict their freedoms to protect them you are likely just building up pressure which will explode when they are out on their own and will be terribly unprepared to deal with the freedoms they will someday have.

      Of course if you are doing this on a temporary basis and working to remove the restrictions and building trust that's one thing but from your posts it makes it sound like you think cutting off access is a long term solution.

  30. Pick your poison by powerlord · · Score: 2

    1) Find old Salvation army computers and toss linux on them. This option is probably the cheapest but requires the most time sink from someone to set up.

    2) Go for something like http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-... (if you can find cheap/free monitors/keyboards/mice). If you can overcome the expense of the monitors/keyboards/mice (find cheap supply or have them donated), this is probably the best time/cost option. The number of parts are really small, and the kits can probably be pre-assembled on a sunday with volunteer labor if you are afraid putting them together might be too much for the students.

    3) Otherwise, as you noted, you're in Chromebook territory. Perhaps a fundraiser/sponsorship or some way of trying to subsidize them for the whole class might bring the cost per unit down into the more affordable range for your under-privaleged students (without single them out)?

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  31. REFURBISHED by Tsolias · · Score: 1

    Thinkpad w/ i5 , T410 are a great deal for ~150-200 dollars.

  32. Smartphone + keyboard by Psychofreak · · Score: 2

    A smartphone and a blue tooth keyboard is fully capable of what you ask, as long as the videos and websites are capable. The headache will be on your end with supporting several different word processors, as the better ones are not free, and there are several respectable free choices including Google Docs.

    So what does this offer? The middle class American child already has a smartphone, or their parents do. Pretty high power devices are also available as the "low end" option, and older devices are capable so a castoff or hand-me-down phone that is in good shape will do the job quite well (yes, batteries need replaced about every 2 years). All smart phones have wifi access without having phone service turned on. This means that they can use wifi at the coffee shop or use data on their parents' devices for the actual submission.

    Bluetooth keyboards start at about $25.
    A prepaid smartphone is about $50 for the device.
    Yes, this operates on the assumption that the student has access to a good smartphone (with or without service), and can get wifi access via local businesses.

    Try this before you expect your students to use it, they will expect you to support them technically.

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    1. Re:Smartphone + keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The middle class American child already has a smartphone, or their parents do.

      As a middle class parent, and frankly I figure most parents. There isn't a chance in hades that I would let my kid use my phone for school projects. I work on call, I need to monitor my email, frankly I need it on me. There is not a chance I would give it up for multiple hours for the kid to type (LOL on a 4 in screen!?!) and research. If I did not have a computer they could use (I have many) then I would load the kid up and drop them at the library, and have them call me when they are done.

      Most parents that cannot afford a computer would not be middle class, and in that situation (being from a lower class area and family) I would GUARANTEE that the kids will not get use of their parents phone for many hours for research and typing.

      But if you are serious about using phones for this I have three of four old smart phones kicking around the junk drawers. I would be glad to send them to any teacher that could make use of them, just reply to this comment with an address. They all have bluetooth so a bluetooth keyboard and some wifi and the kids MIGHT be able to muddle through.

  33. Chromebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are not willing to go used, Chromebooks are generally the cheapest and best option

    Source: MSP for schools

  34. What abou the Pipo X9 dual boot tablet by netsys · · Score: 1

    It comes out in a month and doe sboth Windows and Linux, has a 8.9" screen, HDMI.... http://www.geekbuying.com/item...

    1. Re:What abou the Pipo X9 dual boot tablet by netsys · · Score: 1

      Sorry I meant Android not Linux

  35. Raspberry Pi by Zobeid · · Score: 1

    My feeling is that a Raspberry Pi is about the best option you're going to find. This is what it was designed for, after all.

    Yes, you need at least a power supply and a flash card to make it work. Those will cost a few dollars extra. You can live without a case for a while if you're careful with it. The mouse and keyboard are generic items that can usually be scrounged up somewhere. Then use a TV for the monitor, just like we did back in the old Atari and Commodore days.

    It's true that the Pi is a "some assembly required" system, but at least every system is the same and there are tutorial manuals available. It's way better than getting J. Random Computer from the flea market and then trying to figure out exactly what it is, what works and what doesn't, what OS it can run, etc. -- multiplied by X number of students!

    It would be nice to imagine a super-cheap notebook computer. And technically it's doable, but it just doesn't seem to be viable in the marketplace. It would be so limited in functionality that only truly dirt-poor students would want it, which means it wouldn't sell in large volumes, which means the per-unit price would have to go UP due to lack of economies-of-scale, and then the whole purpose is defeated.

    1. Re:Raspberry Pi by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      My feeling is that a Raspberry Pi is about the best option you're going to find. This is what it was designed for, after all.

      Agreed, they're known systems unlike whatever one could dumpster dive (in many places you are NOT going to find computers dumpster diving) or get at goodwill...if your goodwill/resale shop even has any computers. Some don't take them in.

      Yes, you need at least a power supply and a flash card to make it work. Those will cost a few dollars extra. You can live without a case for a while if you're careful with it. The mouse and keyboard are generic items that can usually be scrounged up somewhere. Then use a TV for the monitor, just like we did back in the old Atari and Commodore days.

      powerlord above mentions this kit, which comes with practically everything except a Pi 2 composite cable for those who don't have a display with HDMI:

      http://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-...

      Then use a TV for the monitor, just like we did back in the old Atari and Commodore days.

      (classic insensitive clod joke follows) I use a TV for monitor now you insensitive clod!

      It's true that the Pi is a "some assembly required" system, but at least every system is the same and there are tutorial manuals available

      The kit above comes with a manual. I'm tempted to pick one up myself, if only to have a little debian box.

    2. Re:Raspberry Pi by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      No, the Pi was designed for hardware+software hacking, not general Office use. As soon as you add incidentals (keyboard, SD, PSU, wifi, case) it gets significantly more expensive and a lot less practical than an Android tablet or stick, or even a second-hand netbook.

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    3. Re:Raspberry Pi by m.alessandrini · · Score: 1

      Yes, you need at least a power supply

      Today you can use the same power supply of your phone.

    4. Re:Raspberry Pi by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      My feeling is that a Raspberry Pi is about the best option you're going to find. This is what it was designed for, after all.

      Actually, it isn't. It is designed to teach kids about computers, not to teach kids English.

      I'm with the "stop demanding online access for an English class" and "you're creating a digital divide where none needs to exist" crowd.

    5. Re:Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is somewhat untrue. It was designed as a second PC to learn programming and for kids to use and abuse for school work and such. There has been some effort put into getting basic office apps into raspbian. What really gets me is these $70 to get it working claims. That comes from lazy people who buy packaged bundles off amazon. The idea is that the keyboard mouse power supply and monitor are all things that can be found or re purposed. The case part drives me nuts. It bugs me to see $2 ebay cases from china selling for $10+ on amazon, and people think that's what they cost.
      So, more for kid programming and hacking, and homework purposes. Adults just get to use it too... Assembling the kit is part of the learning process.

    6. Re:Raspberry Pi by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      What if your power supply is 500mA? Not sure if keyb + mouse + USB stick + wifi will work.

    7. Re:Raspberry Pi by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Ever typed a document on a tablet? Even with a tablet you need at least a bluetooth or USB keyboard and a monitor. It really does not make that much of a difference then compared to a Pi, except that the tablet option will then be more expensive. You know what my Pi case is? A card board box. Wireless via USB can be had for 10$, wired Ethernet costs even less and is faster, but unlike with tablets that often cannot run full native apps like a Pi network connectivity is optional. I run LibreOffice on my Pi and print out to a network printer without any issues. You have a slight misconception of what the Pi is capable of.

    8. Re:Raspberry Pi by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Keyboard and mouse are necessary, USB stick and WiFi are not. Since the Pi isn't mobile like a phone or tablet using WiFi is not a dire necessity. In this context it is only more expensive and potentially slower plus it needs more power. The Pi comes with 100 Mbps Ethernet on board.

    9. Re:Raspberry Pi by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      The Pi is as capable as a desktop PC. Especially the Pi 2 performs really snappy and runs a full GUI based OS that can do email, web browsing, and with LibreOffice any kind of office work. I use mine for mainly these tasks because I do not have time to tinker around with electronics. You are incorrect when you state the Pi is only useful "to teach kids about computers". You can use it for English class as well as any other computer.

    10. Re:Raspberry Pi by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      The Pi is as capable as a desktop PC.

      I didn't say it wasn't. I corrected the erroneous statement that it was designed for such uses.

      You are incorrect when you state the Pi is only useful "to teach kids about computers".

      Since I didn't say that, what's your problem?

      You can use it for English class as well as any other computer.

      I also didn't say it couldn't be used for that. What I did say is that this teacher is going out of his way to create a digital divide where none is needed, and that the Pi is not a good answer to solving the problem he is creating. He's taking kids who are supposed to be learning English and potentially giving them(or telling them to buy) an RPi, which forces them to learn how to deal with a Pi and Linux and apt-get and HDMI and power supplies instead of learning English -- which is what he is paid to teach.

      His final answer should be "you can turn in handwritten work", and there won't be You Tube videos for homework. If it is "find an old computer and get it running Word ..." then he's way over the line in his subject matter and needs to be replaced. Isn't it hard enough for people who don't have a support structure for elementary school classwork to just do the classwork, and isn't piling on a load of extra crap just helping to create a have/have-not society?

    11. Re:Raspberry Pi by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      "Actually, it isn't. It is designed to teach kids about computers, not to teach kids English." Those are your words, right? So why do you claim you never stated that? It's right there ^.

  36. School and city-level guidance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I appreciate your desire to move towards the paperless classroom, I think you really need to look to your school and your town/city for guidance on this.

    Public schools are for everyone, and I'm concerned that if you start requiring students to use computers it really could disadvantage some students from lower income families through absolutely no fault of their own. If your school allows you to require students to learn and do their papers on a computer then that's fine, presumably you won't be the only person who has had these questions and presumably there will be people in your organisations who can solve these issues. However, if there really is no support in place for low-income students to get computers and get online, I think you really need to rethink your plan and put in place ways for these students to do things the old fashioned way.

    You're there to teach, you're not there to impose technology on them (tempting as it may be).

  37. its closer than you think by nimbius · · Score: 1

    ya know those phones they all have run BSD or Linux these days ;)

    all kidding aside cromebooks are also a PITA to use outside of google apps and might run afoul of some privacy issues.
    USB stick computers cant run a real OS because ubuntu and mint both require horsepower for graphics, overlays, audio, widgets and FX. Android is based on gentoo, the Mad Max car of linux. extra ram is dedicated much like the Pi to bus resources for the USB/network.
    the salvation army cant be expected to bankroll an entire class with spare computers that may, or may not work. kinda a non option here.
    Raspberry Pi power supplies can quite literally be anything. a wal-wart, a cheap USB hub, another students laptop or an adjacent desktop. phone chargers for android students will work on the pi. putting a pi in a case, in most cases, requires no tools (the rainbow case for example.) your real problem here is getting them a monitor.

    tablets and cellphones are toys. you need to teach students how to get a library card. Modern american libraries have pools of computers you can use to complete job applications, school assigments, you name it. www.freeshell.org will give them network storage and a unix login, but i suspect that might be a little much for an english class (perfect if you want to teach unix though!)

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    1. Re:its closer than you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What phone runs BSD?

    2. Re:its closer than you think by jandrese · · Score: 1

      The computers at my local library are always busy. They do have Wifi though, so bringing your own is an option.

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  38. Ensure offline works by khb · · Score: 2

    " I assign papers that must be typed, I have papers turned in online, and I plan to freely refer to texts, videos, and other resources that are available online."

    Typed could be done with a typewriter. The onus is on YOU to scan if you need electrons. While it certainly is harder, having to think before typing can provide the student with some benefits as well!

    Provide pointers to offline texts that should suffice (books, libraries, etc. still exist).

    Videos and other resources can be viewed, when they have access at school, library, or tablet (Amazon is rumored to have a $50 one in the wings).

    Since you aren't teaching at an elite private school, make sure that you aren't depriving your students of the chance to learn!

    1. Re:Ensure offline works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Typed could be done with a typewriter

      I laughed. Where are you going to find a functioning typewriter in this day and age? I haven't seen one in twenty years.

    2. Re:Ensure offline works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Typed could be done with a typewriter

      I laughed. Where are you going to find a functioning typewriter in this day and age? I haven't seen one in twenty years.

      Thank you. Glad someone else was also wondering what the fuck a comment from 1974 was doing here.

      Not to mention that student probably can't even buy white-out fluid anymore without two adult signatures on an ATF form.

    3. Re:Ensure offline works by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Typed could be done with a typewriter.

      Where are you going to get 20 manual typewriters today?

      When you add the cost of shipping, and the cost of a typing desk, they would cost you more than a Chromebook.

  39. Solution: continue to not require a computer by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

    Not too long ago it used to be possible to send hand-written manuscripts to publishers. Admittedly, these times are mostly gone, but for classes handwriting still should be good enough. Unless you're too lazy to correct handwritten assignments or confuse writing skills with nice formatting.

    1. Re:Solution: continue to not require a computer by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 2

      That being said, the cheapest option is probably to go for refurbished old laptops. When they come from an enterprise they are often in a surprisingly good state. I'm doing all my daily work on a Thinkpad Z61.

    2. Re:Solution: continue to not require a computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding.

      The Internet is a tool, but it is only that. A tool. It is a tool that should not be a requirement to get through a class, unless that class is about computing technology.

      You refer to texts online? Print out the relevant portions and hand them out in class. You refer to a video? Show it to the students in the classroom. Papers "must" be typed? Are you unable to read hand writing?

      You say that some students are disadvantaged in your class room, but guess what: If that is the case, then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. It's YOUR class room. YOU have control over these things. YOU have a responsibility to ensure the students are set up for success. Yeah, that means putting in some extra effort, but if you want to teach that is your job. So do it.

    3. Re:Solution: continue to not require a computer by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 1

      Are you unable to read hand writing?

      Clearly, you have not tried to read anything handwritten by a middle schooler lately.

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    4. Re:Solution: continue to not require a computer by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Or an adult. At least cursive is dying out so you don't end up with the absolute worst case scenario as much anymore (sloppy cursive).

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  40. Re:Just give-up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seattle? Republicans? Surely you are being sarcastic...

    Democrats hold total control of Seattle politics...

  41. a terminal by Hevel-Varik · · Score: 1

    Will take some doing but it can be done, you give them a dumb screen with enough of a processor to connect to a central box that you manage. Assuming they have internet access. I once looked into it but got side tracked but there is plenty of on-line know how for the do it yourselfer or you can pay some one to set it for you and learn by watching. You could even do an ask slashdot on *that*. If you need portable, which I am guessing your internet solution will drive you to, this wont be much of an option though.

  42. $20 is probably impossible by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 5, Informative

    The best thing out there, designed specifically to address your concern, is the XO laptop by the laptop.org people for their "One Laptop Per Child" campaign: http://laptop.org/en/

    Their price is $35 per unit, and they take significant cuts (and some creative solutions to be sure) to get there. They're not exactly readily available, particularly for US schools, but it may be worth talking to them. It's possible these would be enough for you, if you could get hold of them, but I'd consider them pretty under-powered for an applicable middle-school or higher education where there are other options.

    The XO is a good data point for what you sacrifice going below the entry Chromebook or hp-11 style laptop, or even an android tablet with a keyboard. Also, it sets the bar at $35 so your hopeful target of $20 seems unlikely; the XO has been around for years and they probably can't go much lower, and you're not likely to get many people competing for this space, at least not for profit. The DIY kits (i.e. raspberry pi) you've already addressed and those are even more expensive. The idea of hooking to an existing TV (with an Android Stick) may have merit, but there's still the price of a mouse, keyboard, and a capable TV in the first place, so the real price is higher.

    Anyway, I think you're going to be hard pressed to find better solutions. It's a noble goal, but the industry just isn't there yet, despite good examples of people trying. Hope this helps.

    1. Re:$20 is probably impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeez, you'd think there would be an organization that would GIVE them away to underprivileged students, and not even hassle with $35 at that point. I'm at work, but maybe Googling some charitable organizations that work with public schools might do the trick, if it's only fulfilling the needs of a couple of students...

    2. Re:$20 is probably impossible by cb88 · · Score: 2

      35$ is givinig them away when you consider their real cost which is $229 + support costs that are about as much as the laptop. http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/price/490_per_xo_laptop_the_real_cos.html

    3. Re:$20 is probably impossible by HornWumpus · · Score: 3

      Have you seen how kids treat free stuff?

      Granting that they don't treat stuff they paid for much better.

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    4. Re:$20 is probably impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids that actually earn their own money and buy their own stuff tend to treat it much better than those to whom things are just given - whether by the state or their parents.

  43. There are options by thsths · · Score: 1

    Actually there are a few options, especially if you already have a screen or TV.

    Raspberry PI 2 starts at 50 USD - any power supply will do, and a basic keyboard and mouse are cheap.

    Intel Atom based compute sticks with full Windows start at a similar price.

    7" or 8" tablets are a bit more, but more useful, too. Some have HDMI.

    Used laptops can be very cheap, especially the Windows XP generation.

    Finally most kids have a phone? Old Androids start at about 50 USD.

    Internet access may be a problem, under 100 USD a year you will not get much.

  44. Local library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having lived both sides of the Atlantic, all local libraries in the last decade have been loaded with people accessing the pool of online computers. Except one, but that was in the middle of a cookie-cutter pool home HOA land.

    It's not about the hardware, that can be bought pre-owned for next to nothing, or even scrounged. It's the ISP costs that prevent the poor from being online.

  45. Donations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would be willing to bet you could get some laptops donated to the school or the students. If they just needed to type it would not be difficult at all. If you live in an area with many different school districts ( Probably 30 in a 50 mile radius of me) you can reach out to them and see if they have any eol systems they can donate to the school. You would be surprised at the refresh rate of some of the schools with more money to spend. Especially if they are like NY schools with a use it or loose it mentality. But your big issue is after they get a computer who is going to supply the cost of internet service to them?

  46. The best option is: Forget it / Get a grant by DarkKaplah · · Score: 1

    I believe the best option out there currently would be a raspberry pi 2 (4 USB ports, faster processor, and still relatively inexpensive). It's easily serviced, stupidly simple to get set up, and finally easily unhooked and carried with the student. Any issues encountered can be resolved by re-flashing the SD card. Just make sure your students use a USB thumb drive for file storage. Unfortunately you are off in your cost estimate. You cannot assume that a monitor or television will be present in your student's home. Just the pi, mouse, keyboard, power supply, case, and SD card can run $70. A monitor can run $100 easily on average. Bulk USB thumb drives can be had for as little as $5.

    Assuming a $170 cost at the US minimum wage of $7.25 you're looking at 23.44 hours to earn the money needed (3 days pay). That's an expense you cannot shift to your students because you want to get papers typed. Lets face it, this is your requirement. Knowledge transfer is just as applicable via hand writing as the typed word. As you stated internet access is a whole separate issue that you are not addressing.

    In today's day and age $170 is really the bare minimum for what can be termed a PC. You can always keep an eye on Woot or Meh for tablets. Meh has a sale on a 9" android tablet for $33 + s&h. This would be without a physical keyboard though.

    Your best bet here would be to round up to $200 per student, contact your local cable provider and find out the details on their low income internet program. Comcast has something like this in my area. Slow internet, but it is internet. Then apply for a grant to cover the expense.

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  47. GoFundMe / Kickstarter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would set up a kickstarter / gofundme campaign, and buy the parts for the students to build the computers in class for a learning experience that will give them the technological know how. If these students are special needs, then use the money to buy the computers for the classroom.

  48. Salvation Army? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really? How about you take your racist CONservative spew elsewhere. Your kind isn't welcome here. Those CONservatives hate education and think only the rich have the right to learn. They're working so hard to close all public schools and libraries. They're trying to not allow us to read. Just today here in Seattle our Republican rulers have shutdown the schools. They have shut them down. Shut them down. Republicans hate children and are using their money to make sure students are not allowed to learn. Not allowed.

  49. Public Library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't many libraries have computers available for general use? Just get the librarian to kick off the porn-users.

    1. Re:Public Library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the only real option here. For some reason, the teacher refuses to accept that these families are too broke to afford internet access, if they're too broke for a $60 Rpi2 kit.

  50. $33 COLAPAD 7" A23 Google Android tablet by dowens81625 · · Score: 1

    Would something like this work?

    http://www.amazon.com/COLAPAD-...

    1. Re:$33 COLAPAD 7" A23 Google Android tablet by fnj · · Score: 1

      Would something like this work?

      http://www.amazon.com/COLAPAD-...

      That comes the closest to being a real possibility at a workable price of anything I see on this whole page of mostly bullshit posts. Congratulations. The fundamental problem I see is, how would you attach a $7-8 keyboard? I don't see any sign that it has Bluetooth, and seems to only have micro USB, and it's not a given that it can do any more than accept a charger.

    2. Re:$33 COLAPAD 7" A23 Google Android tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it comes with a USB-OTG cable so it should support a USB keyboard... Though most cases of USB-otg you can't charge your device at the same time. It would (probably) also allow the use of a flash drive so that students could print at school without using something like google cloud print.

    3. Re:$33 COLAPAD 7" A23 Google Android tablet by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Decent specs but I wonder how it runs with 512MB just running : Android 4.x, Google Docs and one media/ad heavy web site.

  51. I hate to be a dissenter here BUT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are an English teacher.

    There is absolutely zero need to have everything typed as a matter of fact you are doing the kids a disservice here because they need to learn how to write legibly.

    There is zero need to have the papers turned in online.

    If they need to research online then they can and should use the library.

    The English/Literature classes are classes where paper should still rule.

    1. Re:I hate to be a dissenter here BUT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The top-rated comments here hint that perhaps slashdot has completely fallen to antitech luddites. I'd wondered when it'd happen...

      No, students don't need to learn how to write legibly. I'm not even sure typing matters immensely, given the progress speech-to-text is making. NB: Cursive also is entirely welcome to die in a fire.
      Given the amount of time per paper to grade, typewritten shifts burden of legibility from teacher to student. Teachers are overloaded as it is. I'd tolerate 'you CAN write them' as a concession, but I'd never mandate more difficulty for the teacher.
      Online research is more accessible than libraries, more current, and more comprehensive. Have you even looked at the dismal state of most library periodicals sections in the last 5 years?
      I won't argue online vs. handed in... meh. Although a teacher that allows online communication enables faster conversations about the subject being taught. See cluetrain manifesto and the concept of markets as a conversation: education can be improved by doing the same things: quick teacher/student or student/student conversations at 8pm are better than forcing the student to wait until next class.

      Everything about paper is overrated. Editing, sharing, peer-review, formatting are all improved by tech. Coherent thoughts and organizing them is better handled on a screen.

      Don't believe me? Ask how many people still use pen and paper for forming their communication. Examine in specific just what they'd see changed by having to revert to pen and paper. It's NOT an improvement. Everything that you might rail against ends up being writer ability & discipline, not the materials and their flexibility.

    2. Re:I hate to be a dissenter here BUT... by plcurechax · · Score: 1

      You are an English teacher.

      There is absolutely zero need to have everything typed as a matter of fact you are doing the kids a disservice here because they need to learn how to write legibly.

      I assume that a high school teacher in any subject, that it still the norm to assume that children can write / print before being accepted, just as you expect they already know the alphabet and can tie their shoe laces.

      As most teachers young enough to still be working have terrible-to-no knowledge on penmanship themselves, I think it is not reasonable to expect them to teach a subject they don't have moderate proficiency in themselves.

      I also expect an English teacher to teach English, the language and its associated literary culture, not computer (and its applications) usage.

      There is zero need to have the papers turned in online.

      For the traditional in-person classroom teaching style, I agree.

      The English/Literature classes are classes where paper should still rule.

      Ideally language classes should focus on the language (and affiliated cultural bodies of work), not methods or pedagogies.

    3. Re:I hate to be a dissenter here BUT... by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      "they need to learn how to write legibly"

      Sadly I don't think this is very true anymore. Hell back in 2004 I met a girl while on vacation. She wasn't much for spending lots of time on computers and so I didn't bother asking for an email address, instead opting for her real street address. She asked why I'd want that and was floored when I said I'd write her. Even back then apparently writing letters as a form of communication was anachronistic.

      The only use case for hand writing anymore seems to be writing very brief notes or filling out hard copy forms. I want my children to know how to write and read cursive, but I'll likely have to teach them myself as the schools seem to be dropping that entirely. I expect that within 60 years or so archaeologists and related academics will be the only ones capable of even reading cursive.

    4. Re:I hate to be a dissenter here BUT... by nbauman · · Score: 1

      You are an English teacher.

      There is absolutely zero need to have everything typed as a matter of fact you are doing the kids a disservice here because they need to learn how to write legibly.

      There is zero need to have the papers turned in online.

      If they need to research online then they can and should use the library.

      The English/Literature classes are classes where paper should still rule.

      You are not an English teacher. You have no idea of the motivation that it gives kids to print out a neatly-typed page that they have written themselves.

    5. Re:I hate to be a dissenter here BUT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, come on. Who is less likely to get a job, someone with a messy handwriting, or someone who can't type?

    6. Re:I hate to be a dissenter here BUT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP person here. I see post after post suggesting kids don't need to type papers. This is English class, not computer class!

      These are kids who presumably are going on to college. If I don't teach them to type a paper I'm not doing my job. If I don't familiarize them with using the internet as the partial basis for a written paper, I'm not doing my job. These are basic skills they need to know. I agree that it's a little more difficult for poor students, that's why I asked for advice on how to combat this. But the solution certainly isn't "don't teach them basic skills they will need in college."

      Does this really surprise people? I was a high schooler in the 90s, and teachers required typed papers even back then.

    7. Re:I hate to be a dissenter here BUT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an English teacher.

      There is absolutely zero need to have everything typed as a matter of fact you are doing the kids a disservice here because they need to learn how to write legibly.

      There is zero need to have the papers turned in online.

      If they need to research online then they can and should use the library.

      The English/Literature classes are classes where paper should still rule.

      This!
      First world problem (I'm trying to be more efficient) meets reality. Some people chose to/cannot meet your expectations. What to do?

  52. Ebay, Craigslist, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find a wholesaler that sells old computers for $70 or less. Otherwise, you have to do what others stated and tell them to use pen and paper.

  53. It's not about you. by westlake · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I assign papers that must be typed, I have papers turned in online, and I plan to freely refer to texts, videos, and other resources that are available online. This gives an extra disadvantage to students that may be from the poorer end of the strata, and also means extra inefficiency for me, as I have to make allowances for students who don't have a computer available at home.

    In other words, you've build your entire course around the experience and resources of the middle class student and what is convenient for you. You are looking for a quick. cheap, feel-good, solution that ignores --- among other things --- the problem of Internet access for the poor and their lack of experience online.

    1. Re:It's not about you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He really is a hideous monster.

  54. Grants? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

    I wonder if you'll be forced to suck it up and join the time-honored crap-fest of grant proposal writing.

  55. Cheap Laptop Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are various organizations that repurpose old computers. I think Free Geek is one: http://www.freegeek.org/ in Portland, The Kramden Institute (www.kramden.org) in NC is another. There is also One Laptop Per Child (one.laptop.org/). You could call the first two up and see if they have chapters in your area. There is also Interconnection.org (http://interconnection.org/about_us.php). They may know.

  56. Do they need internet access and hdmi out? by shoor · · Score: 1

    Nowadays it seems like having a computer almost requires internet access of some kind. Is that free in your area? If so, it's probably wifi which means your computer needs wifi access. If it's not free, then that's going to end up being a significant part of the cost.

    Also, your post implies one needs hdmi out. Why? What's wrong with good old vga?

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    1. Re:Do they need internet access and hdmi out? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Also, your post implies one needs hdmi out.

      Point 5? No it doesn't.

      Why? What's wrong with good old vga?

      How many tablets, cheap or otherwise, have that?

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    2. Re:Do they need internet access and hdmi out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VGA is -old-, but it is not -good-.

      Today's version of the video-in jack is the HDMI port. Poor people are very likely to own a modern TV set. It's one of the things they will find a way to afford. VGA is radio tube antique technology (kidding, but only a little) that is not always easy to find and is unusably low resolution anyway. Just accept that VGA is the past, not the present.

    3. Re:Do they need internet access and hdmi out? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      VGA can do higher resolution than single link DVI

  57. another option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One decent option, for about $100 is to get an HP stream 7 (usually about $90 at Microsoft store), plus a $10 keyboard/case ; you get an Atom processor, 1GB of RAM, 32GB drive; not the best computer, but ... 7 inch screen may be a dealbreaker.

    Also, 11 inch chromebooks (or windows 'netbooks' like the HP stream) are about $120 refurb

  58. recycled computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have gotten over 100 computers from a computer recycler.

    I put linux mint on them.

    I give them to non-profits.

    I give them to the Salvation Army after school study program.

    I give some to a kid to fix that googles how to fix them.

    I told him if he learns to fix computers, he will always have a way to make money.

    It is amazing how many tons of working computers get ground up, because it cost to much to fix them.

  59. Ebay: Thinkpad T61, x86-netbooks and arm-netbooks by burni2 · · Score: 1

    Hi,

    older thinkpads
    actually older thinkpads core2duo 1,8ghz / T61 / 14,1" 1280x800 / 160gbyte / 2gbyte / intelgraphics NO NVIDIA = buggy but you dont know if

    you can get these for down to 60 - 90â (1$ = 0,89â)
    sometimes along with the docking station or even with a 15,4" / 1650x1080 TFT

    Even considering it's age it's decent machine, the keyboard quality is unmatched.

    Apply an unofficial SATA2 patch install a solidstate drive and you have a boost.

    x86-netbooks
    atoms, atoms and atoms, and celerons
    not as powerfull as the thinkpads but they mostly have a decent battery life.

    If the kids(boys) can live with it the pink ones are ultra
    cheap (unwanted)

    Example: compaq 311 & pavilion (hint!), samsung some crazy letter combination, dell, etc..

    running win7 (sometimes only 32bit) no problem

    The keyb, sucks often.

    This text was typed on a win7-64bit machine 3gb / 128gbyte ssd with a celeron netbook processor (hp pavilion looks like compaq311 no nvidia ion) gotten for ~40â on ebay (cracked tft), decent keyb, superb battery life (7,5hrs. considering an 4 yr. old battery), hdmi, vga, SIM-slot and un2420 umts card.

    Replaced the tft for 40â within 1,5 hrs. (the hardware maintainance manual is perfect for figuring out which tft to buy)

    And I'm not poor but I'm very stingy!

    arm-netbooks
    A little less powerful than the x86-netbooks but better battery life, but only for the macguyver style kids.

    example: eeepc

    Hint:
    decent & known manufactureres have mostly the more satisfying outcome than some strange chinese brand.

  60. A refurbished Android Tablet might work for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Refurbished 7" Android tablets are available fairly cheap. I did a quick search and on my first hit found one for $24. While it wouldn't be as convenient as a laptop, it should be able to do what you are looking for here. The student would have to look for free wi-fi hotspots and those are becoming more common with even fastfood places providing it.

    There may be some local charities offering free used systems for students as well. We have some in Atlanta. I also know of some businesses refurbishing used laptops for sale. Those businesses might be able to offer some advice as they often deal with non-profits who received used equipment donations.

    You could also look to the technology companies in your area and ask them for donations. Companies often look to donate older equipment instead of paying for disposal costs. A lot of this equipment is still quite good.

  61. CHIP, the $9 computer by tekrat · · Score: 1

    https://www.kickstarter.com/pr...

    Failing that, why not "ubid.com?" after all, their TV commercials claim you can buy a Macbook there for twenty bucks!

    Then, when you can't, sue them for false advertising, and use your windfall to purchase all the kids some laptops.

    --
    If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
  62. Winbook 7" Win8 Tablet for $60-$80 + Linux by StandardCell · · Score: 1

    Microcenter has these for $60, $80 on Amazon. Quad core Bay Trail with built-in display, full Windows 8, Office 365 for a year, microSD slot and microHDMI out. Don't like Win8? Nuke it and put a Linux distro on there. It won't get much easier or cheaper than that from a practical perspective.

  63. I have a feeling that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    any middle class family without a laptop computer in this day in age is choosing not to have one, if that is because the old man is loosing a lot at the track then that is a different story all together, but I have seen programs where you can get them for free.

    Ask a local company that has a lot of old workstations, chances are there is a CEO looking for a warm fuzzy after outsourcing all of his companies projects to India and he will have many to choose from.

  64. My 0.02 by vux984 · · Score: 1

    I'd love to see something for $20 that any student could afford easily, or perhaps I could just gift to a few students.

    $20 is simply not realistic for new gear.

    1) The very cheapest Chromebooks are also in the $170 range.

    $170 will get you an HP Stream 11.6 with a celeron, 2GB ram, 32GB SSD and windows 10. Better than chromebook I think. And I see $140-$150 for a chromebook. At least in the US on amazon.

    2) Android Sticks have been around for a while, and do cost in the $20 range, but don't seem to have matured into a generally usable technology. Surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be a community effort to easily turn these Android sticks into Ubuntu/Mint sticks.

    And they'd need peripherals.

    3) Students can't be assumed to have the technical know-how to fix up a Salvation Army computer (I wouldn't mind helping out a bit, but I don't want to turn into tech support)

    Which would be inevitable.

    4) A Raspberry Pi costs $70 once you include a case/power supply/etc, and students would receive a big bag of parts.

    Does that 'etc' even get them a screen? Are peripherals free?

    5) Cheap Windows Tablets have glitches, and don't have an HDMI out.

    They need HDMI out? To connect them to what exactly? They don't have $140 for a chromebook, but they have $100+ HDMI monitors, and $30 bluetooth keyboards?

    6) There isn't a good solution to using a cell phone as a desktop computer.

    Because current cell phone OSes aren't desktop OSes; and again the peripherals would cost you more than small laptop/chromebook anyway.

    In all seriousness. While a salvation army special might be too much work. Lots of 2-6 year old low-end laptops on ebay/craigslist are in the $30-$100 range. Or you could hit your local used laptop store and try and strike up a partnership; they might be willing to donate some of their oldest / least valuable stock or sell it for a song in exchange for some goodwill, advertising space in the school newsletter, sponsorship, referals etc.

    That's the route I'd try first.

    You might be able to scrounge up some donated hardware simply by sending a news letter home asking if anyone has any old laptops, or soliciting local businesses for same... for units that work that aren't in use they'd be willing to donate. Hell I dumped some shitty sony vaio's with 1GB ram, Vista, etc just the other day off at a recyler. I wouldn't make my own kids use them, but if someone threw Mint on them, and they'd be adequate to use use google docs to write some essays.

    These are the only ways you are going to get anywhere near your price target.

    1. Re:My 0.02 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP person here. It is the unfortunate truth that I can safely assume students will have a TV (HDMI), but not a computer. Additionally, keyboard/mice frequently pop up at the dollar stores here, so while there is a cost I don't think it would be too much of an issue.

    2. Re:My 0.02 by vux984 · · Score: 1

      It is the unfortunate truth that I can safely assume students will have a TV (HDMI), but not a computer.

      Even so, a 42"+ cheap plasma is a TERRIBLE screen to work with to write an essay. Its too bright, its not easy to read... the living room isn't setup for working...

      Additionally, keyboard/mice frequently pop up at the dollar stores here, so while there is a cost I don't think it would be too much of an issue.

      For basic USB sure. Some of the stuff you are talking about working with though would require bluetooth gear I think.

      I really do think soliciting used gear or working with a local used laptop place is your best bet.

  65. Amazon Is Your Friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $100 for 2012 Samsung chromebook (used)

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B009LL9VDG/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

    plenty of $120-$150 used options as well

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=chromebook

    Also, may be able to find off lease computers cheap enough. If you (and/or your students) are willing to do a little leg work, might be able to find a local company willing to donate and/or sell their used computers for cheap enough as well. I'd stay away from larger corporations/banks/hospitals/etc., they typically have strict standards on returning equipment through vendors for data security problems.

    It's a difficult issue, and as someone pointed out, if they can't afford a computer, then internet access isn't likely to be there either. Sure, starbucks, mcdonalds, libraries, etc. offer wifi, but it does add a layer of difficult. And makes a laptop an absolute necessity. Then again, if you can't afford a computer or internet, then difficult is probably the norm.

    Hats off to you though. It may be work taking this a step further, as your students are likely not the only ones who are in the boat, and being without a computer puts you well behind the curve. With a bit of work you could drum up interest from the school system and/or local businesses to create a program to make sure students who can't afford computers receive one.

    Also, I wouldn't worry too much on hdmi output. It'd work best if there is any kind of output, but as long as you have usb or display port, adapters are available.

    1. Re:Amazon Is Your Friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.amazon.com/HP-NC6220-Notebook-Computer-Off-Lease/dp/B002SRKM7O/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1441821808&sr=8-2&keywords=off+lease+laptop

      even cheaper

      -same coward

    2. Re:Amazon Is Your Friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "if they can't afford a computer, then internet access isn't likely to be there either."

      That may not be completely the case for much longer. I think the FCC this year voted to expand the "Lifeline" program, the one that provides free cell phones to low income individuals, to internet access. I don't think they've finalized the specifics of it yet, and it will almost certainly have some significant restrictions, but it may be quite a bit easier for low income people to access the internet in the near future.

  66. Rasberry PI. by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

    If they have a TV, then all they need is this: Rasberry PI. $30
    USB Keyboard $1
    USB Mouse $1
    SD Card $1
    Micro USB Cell phone charger $5
    You have a fully functional Linux desktop computer.
    Sure you can spend more and get a better computer, but this one will get it done on the cheap.

    1. Re:Rasberry PI. by fnj · · Score: 1

      If they have a TV, then all they need is this: Rasberry PI. $30

      OK. Actually, it's a little more than that for the version that has WiFi and enough USB ports. Otherwise you would have to add a powered USB hub, which again adds to the cost.

      USB Keyboard $1

      Grow up.

      USB Mouse $1

      Grow up.

      SD Card $1

      Grow up.

      Micro USB Cell phone charger $5

      OK.

      You have a fully functional Linux desktop computer.

      Not until someone capable has made a significant investment of time to install and set up the OS, you haven't. Yeah, for you or me it would be no problem to fix one up, but how about for an entire class of schoolkids? And you left out an HDMI cable to attach it to the TV, and we would both be ASSUMING the kid has access to an HDMI TV which he would not have to fight the parents and siblings for to get primetime evening use for homework.

      Sure you can spend more and get a better computer, but this one will get it done on the cheap.

      I'm tuned in to the sentiment, but the way I realistically check prices, the total cost for all items mentioned would be pretty close to $70 rock bottom, if not more, PLUS labor, which is pretty sad when you think about it. And when you were done you would have this fragile thing dangling from wires which could easily get knocked on the floor and stepped on.

      I WANT this to be viable, oh how I want it, but realistically, um ...

    2. Re:Rasberry PI. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well maybe not $1 but...

      $8 USB keyboard new: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=9277
      $4.50 USB mouse new: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=9254
      $5 4gb sd card (comes in pack of two for $10): http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDSDB2L-004G-B35-Class-Flash-Memory/dp/B007JELV1M/ref=sr_1_6?
      $4 USB wall charger: http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Micro-USB-Travel-Charger/dp/B00D8YYI5S/ref=sr_1_3?
      $3 HDMI cable new, with choice of color: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=3951
      $30 Rasberry Pi

      Total: $55

      Add a refurbished monitor.
      $50 Refurb monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2PF36V4407

      New total $105 which is a good bit cheaper then the chrome books.

      Note: Thee looks to be a good selection of refurbs for $50 or you could get one locally cheaper. Try Goodwill, community college, local businesses, etc. You might even be able to score some for free. If we had someone walk up and say they were looking for outdated tech for school as long as we got proof it was a teacher we would probably give them old monitors and keyboards and mice, etc. In fact I would probably let the rummage through my own personal shelves of working but old computer junk.

    3. Re:Rasberry PI. by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      If they have a TV, then all they need is this: Rasberry PI. $30

      OK. Actually, it's a little more than that for the version that has WiFi and enough USB ports. Otherwise you would have to add a powered USB hub, which again adds to the cost.

      USB Keyboard $1

      Grow up.

      USB Mouse $1

      Grow up.

      SD Card $1

      Grow up.

      Micro USB Cell phone charger $5

      OK.

      You have a fully functional Linux desktop computer.

      Not until someone capable has made a significant investment of time to install and set up the OS, you haven't. Yeah, for you or me it would be no problem to fix one up, but how about for an entire class of schoolkids? And you left out an HDMI cable to attach it to the TV, and we would both be ASSUMING the kid has access to an HDMI TV which he would not have to fight the parents and siblings for to get primetime evening use for homework.

      Sure you can spend more and get a better computer, but this one will get it done on the cheap.

      I'm tuned in to the sentiment, but the way I realistically check prices, the total cost for all items mentioned would be pretty close to $70 rock bottom, if not more, PLUS labor, which is pretty sad when you think about it. And when you were done you would have this fragile thing dangling from wires which could easily get knocked on the floor and stepped on.

      I WANT this to be viable, oh how I want it, but realistically, um ...

      Umm.. where did you check, a local "rip you off" pc shop? Sigh...

      The old rasberry pi is cheaper and has two usb, that's all you need. That's all I need on each of the rasberry pi's that I use for this purpose. Personally I prefer wired networking on a non portable device. Don't students get ethernet connections in their dorm rooms? Most places they do.

      Let me shop for you:
      Mouse: $0.37 http://www.amazon.com/JennyShop-Pastel-Turtle-Scroll-1000dpi/dp/B00FOWQ76U
      Keyboard: $4.75: http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-SK-8825-104-key-USB-Keyboard/dp/B007V6YIGI I have this keyboard on one of my machines, it's fine. I did underestimate the price by $3.75 I guess.
      4GB Sandisk SDHC card: $0.01 http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Micro-Flash-Memory-adapter/dp/B0018Z7Y28 I use a sandisk microsdhc with one of my pi's. This 4GB model is overkill, but it will do the job. Power adapter: $2.99 http://www.amazon.com/ReadyPlug®-Wall-Charger-Samsung-Galaxy/dp/B00NVYQWOK

      If you do want that USB HUb, you'll be glad to know it's a whopping $0.20 http://www.amazon.com/White-4-Outport-480Mbps-Splitter-Adapter/dp/B012LBKR58

      Sure, you could get better of everything on the list, but you don't HAVE to. If you want a computer on the cheap, you can do it with a pi, really cheap. $35.33 (with the hub) plus shipping. If you could live with used parts I think you could do even slightly better, perhaps even on the pi.

    4. Re:Rasberry PI. by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      So you use some dodgy fire sale on Amazon, used hardware (plus shipping), a web store's pricing glitch and a piece of hardware that doesn't meet the requirement? (a powered hub is needed)

  67. C.H.I.P. The $9 Computer by jeepies · · Score: 1

    I would suggest looking at CHIP. It's a single board computer with built in Wi-Fi and a 1GHz ARM chip for $9. You'll need to add a keyboard. It supports composite video out on the board, so depending on what they need to do that should be enough. The Internet resources are going to be the killer though. Not everyone has access at home. Does the school provide free wifi access? If so, I'd recommend getting references / videos in a form that are easy to download and let students use them offline.

    1. Re:C.H.I.P. The $9 Computer by fnj · · Score: 1

      This is 2015, not 1980. Who in the world in this day and age has a composite monitor, or even a TV with composite input any more? I have two old CRT TVs that I literally can't GIVE away and can't bring myself to throw away, but I couldn't supply a whole classroom, and anyway they would all laugh at this crap.

    2. Re:C.H.I.P. The $9 Computer by jeepies · · Score: 1

      I've never seen a modern TV not have Composite input. Most current TVs have a couple HDMI, Composite and Component inputs at the very least. Some will have optical audio, and rarely DVI or VGA now. There's tons of devices in use that only output composite.

      Example 1: http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-LC-65LE654U-65-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00TTVMEKA/ref=sr_1_4?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1442117676&sr=1-4&keywords=65+inch+tv

      Example 2: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN65H6350-65-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00I94IPXS/ref=sr_1_2?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1442117781&sr=1-2&keywords=65+inch+tv

      I'm sure you can find TVs without composite input, but it's still on the majority of them.

      Just for fun - I was around in 1980 - very very few TVs had Composite inputs on them. They were mostly high end video equipment (studio use), security monitors or computer monitors. You were lucky if a TV had a 75 Ohm Coax connector (what cable uses). Most TVs of that era still used 300 Ohm twin-lead connectors (the ones you needed a screwdriver to connect).

  68. tricks: Vaccum, wash the keboard, load linux. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Informative

    If the computer is working at all, the following tricks might make it like-new:

    Open it up and vacuum out the dust. Dust accumulates, especially in the CPU heatsinks, over years, causing them to overheat. For a long time the CPUs have had circuitry that slows the clock to reduce the heat - and thus slows the machine way down, which may be why it was finally abandoned. Suck out the dust and the CPU will be back to its full speed.

    Replacing the BIOS backup battery is good, too, as it may be nearing end-of-life - especially as the machine sat on the shelf waiting for a new home. Also: A little time with the battery out may clear out oddball BIOS settings in older BIOS chips that are battery-backed-RAM, rather than flash, based.

    If the keyboard is dirty or a little flakey, try washing it with clean (better yet, distilled) water and drying it thoroughly. As long as you don't power it while it's still moist, and don't use hot water or the heated drying cycle in a dishwaher, you won't corrode anything.

    Then installing Linux from a live disk, with the use-full-disk options, will clean out any malware and give them a modern, supported, OS with a good and easy to use word processor (Open Office) for free.

    --
    Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
  69. Is the HP Stream Laptop to expensive? by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    They can be had at Walmart for ~$180:

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-1...

    Microsoft Office 365 is on these for a year or students can use the free Google office apps. Students that don't have Internet at home can go to a public library after school or on weekends or visit a McDonalds, Starbucks or other place where free Internet is available. Generally, one does not need to buy anything to use the free internet in those places. Depending on where you live and your local ISP providers (Comcast), if income is below a certain level, adequate Internet can be had for $10 per month.

    --
    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
    1. Re:Is the HP Stream Laptop to expensive? by fnj · · Score: 1

      Yeah, duh, it is too expensive. Did you even bother to read TFS?

  70. From a teacher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do You seriously expect these kids to copy their assignments to flash drives and bring them in to You?

    If they were competent with technology, they would use a BT keyboard with their smart phone plugged into their LCD TV, or they would use a Microsoft keyboard plugged into their XBox.

  71. ebay by roman_mir · · Score: 0

    Try ebay. Go to ebay or another similar site and search for cheap used desktops. I don't know about 20 dollar overall, but 20 USD for a computer and another 20 for shipping will give you your cheapest computer....

  72. Hmmm ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've started a second career, teaching English at a High School in a middle class area. While the large majority of students have a computer and internet access at home, about 10-15% do not. I assign papers that must be typed, I have papers turned in online, and I plan to freely refer to texts, videos, and other resources that are available online. This gives an extra disadvantage to students that may be from the poorer end of the strata, and also means extra inefficiency for me, as I have to make allowances for students who don't have a computer available at home.

    At the end of the day, you can't demand parents buy computers or can provide access.

    Unless there was a stipulation that the kids have it, you might be stuck.

    So, maybe we can rephrase the question: I'm a complete prat who is going to insist my students have access to computers even if they don't now, what's the best way to do this?

    Maybe you need to be having this discussion with your principal and/or school board. You simply decreeing students get computers might not actually mean anything other than you want it to be the case, and no matter how good your intentions are it might not be possible.

    People living hand to mouth don't need some teacher telling them they need to buy a damned computer.

    This whole question smacks of someone who is a little clueless and out of touch with reality due to not enough real experience.

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    Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    1. Re:Hmmm ... by nbauman · · Score: 1

      People living hand to mouth don't need some teacher telling them they need to buy a damned computer.

      This whole question smacks of someone who is a little clueless and out of touch with reality due to not enough real experience.

      It looks like you never taught school.

      Why do people hate teachers so much?

    2. Re:Hmmm ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't read like that at all to me - though I can see why you might read it like that (must be typed? I'd question that). I hear similar questions from my wife who also teaches in a disadvantaged area - how can she get the best for her students, without impinging on their privacy. It's what good teachers do.

      Suggestion - the charity store computer isn't a bad one if you can find a source. Maybe company/corporate disposals? With environmental regs that's often a cost now to a company and they'd be glad to help and get a little positive PR.
      Find a sustainable OS and application platform (natch Linux and Libre Office, but maybe there's a WIndows 10 opportunity now? Ask Microsoft, or fund raise for educational licences?) - then get your schools computer/tech club (you have one, right?) on the case to build the 'school laptop'. Loan them out, give them away, whatever but use your students to support and maintain them

  73. Does the school have a 3D printer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been repeatedly assured that we are now irrevocably in the post-scarcity digital manufacturing world. Can't this school just, like, download new computers and stuff?

  74. community charity? by twnth · · Score: 1

    In my city, we have a community group that takes hand-me-down computers from corporate and government sources, refurbishes them, then makes them available to schools, other community groups and needing individuals. For example, their computers are in the local senior drop in centres, boys and girls club, and I know a few families who've taken computers home.
    Perhaps your city has a similar organization.

  75. Donation of EOL laptops from local businesses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check with local businesses for there EOL procedure on functional laptops. They may be willing to donate after pulling the hard drive. A small replacement hard drive should be pretty reasonably priced.

  76. Donate old computers by freak0fnature · · Score: 1

    Ask for donations. I personally have several old PCs stashed in the basement and if anyone ever asked for one, I'd be more than happy to unload one. Granted they might be a little on the slower side, but better than nothing.

  77. Re:What The Actual Fuck? by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

    You want a working computer for less than a $170 Chrome book? Well sure, who doesn't. But, no such thing exists. Seriously WTF kind of Ask Slashdot is this?

    a monitor alone will set you back $100

    Go on Amazon.com and type computer. there is your answer.

    I know I shouldn't feed the trolls but this is an excellent ask slashdot. And if you have to pay $100 for a monitor then you are not thinking very hard.
    17 inch CRT monitors can be gotten for LESS than free. Most places now charge a disposal fee for them. And that's even assuming you need a
    monitor as even most poor students have access to a TV and as the OP stated, he wasn't opposed to a solution that allowed a keyboard to connect
    to the smartphone the kids likely already have.

  78. So what? by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can get 1.5 Mbps broadband from comcast or centurytel for $10/month.

    https://apply.internetessentia... http://www.centurylink.com/hom...

    The 10.00 per month is meaningless to a family who is in poverty. "It's only 10.00" sounds really good when you are not in poverty. I came from poverty so know what it's like not to be able to eat because I had a bill to pay.

    Perhaps you are volunteering to pay some of those 10.00/month fees for families and I just misunderstand, but you can call me a skeptic.

    --

    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yet somehow these "families in poverty" can still scrape up the money for beer, cigarettes, and/or pot/meth/whatever .....

    2. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The poor family next door to me struggles to survive. They get rent and food subsidies and can barely make ends meet.

      Also, they somehow manage to spend over $10 a day on cigarettes.

    3. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the only reason anyone is poor is because they drink too much beer, smoke too many cigarettes, or are drug addicts! Since they're a bunch of evil druggies, their kids don't matter.

    4. Re:So what? by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      It's half the price of the original message I was quoting.

      While I recognize that lots of poor families won't make it a priority, it's also not a gigantic burden compared with the other general costs of raising a child.

      And frankly, if I heard that there was a kid at my kid's school who didn't have a computer at home then i'd put one together and pay their internet bill.

    5. Re:So what? by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Where do you live that people can't afford to spend $10 (aka 1-2 hours of work) per month on something as indispensable as an internet connection?

      --
      Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
    6. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      donald trump wants to deport poor people, or as he calls them, "LOSERS".

    7. Re:So what? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Are you asking where/why/when I lived in poverty? Nope, I don't know you that well. I also won't tell you how I got out of poverty (too long for a /. post), just that it was not very easy to do.

      To your "it's only 1-2 hours" I will tell you that while in poverty I worked 2 jobs, both full time. It paid for a small 1 bedroom apartment, insurance for my car (sure as hell was not new), renters insurance, gas to get to/from work, and my standard utilities (electricity, land line, water, gas). I had a bit left over for food most of the time but nothing for clothes and shoes. If not for gifting holidays I'd have been naked and unable to work. Many times I had to choose between eating and paying a bill, and there were at least a couple occasions I had to steal food. I could not drink and party even if someone else paid for it, I'd miss work and lose a job. I had no health insurance, because minimum wage jobs won't have any in the majority of cases.

      Do the social experiment. Quit your job and give up everything you have including your college degrees and job experience (assuming you have them). This will give you enough on an application to land a minimum wage job. Try to live off that, or even 2 full time jobs paying minimum wage.

      Assistance? If you can swallow your pride and apply to live off the government dime, you have to give up your job(s). This will keep you in a perpetual state of poverty, but sure, you can get assistance.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    8. Re:So what? by grahamsz · · Score: 2

      Not to make light of the situation you were in, but you say that you had a land line poor. I'm going to assume that was some time ago, but in the current day and age you'd be hard pressed to suggest anyone have a land line instead of a dsl/cable connection, especially when it looks like subsidized broadband is actually cheaper than subsidized phone service. Then of course you can tack on something like google voice to get a phone number and take calls for free.

    9. Re:So what? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      You can get 1.5 Mbps broadband from comcast or centurytel for $10/month.

      https://apply.internetessentia... http://www.centurylink.com/hom...

      The 10.00 per month is meaningless to a family who is in poverty. "It's only 10.00" sounds really good when you are not in poverty. I came from poverty so know what it's like not to be able to eat because I had a bill to pay.

      Perhaps you are volunteering to pay some of those 10.00/month fees for families and I just misunderstand, but you can call me a skeptic.

      This.

      If you're actually poor, $10 a month is a fortune.

      Today however, it's pretty easy to find free wifi. Maybe not at your house but a lot of places from coffee shops to libraries offer it.

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      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    10. Re:So what? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      I don't believe people like you are making light of the situation, I believe that people are grossly ignorant. The social experiment I gave above is really easy to replicate, but lets face facts. It's easier for people to maintain a delusion of "all those people deserve what they get" than do the work and say "Hey, this poverty thing sucks!".

      Regardless of how current my situation was, you seem to be ignoring basic facts. A land line today costs less than 20.00 and includes phone(s). YMMV depending on your location and installer. Compared to the cheapest plan and cell phones today it's not even close, the land line is still cheaper. Oh I know, some turd company has a 9 year contract for the same price and gives you a phone. Any number of situations throws that on it's head, like the cheap ass phone they provide breaking or the company going out of business every 6 months and transferring you to a "new" company with a different contract.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    11. Re:So what? by randalware · · Score: 1

      and I live in a Windstream area and can't get that deal !!! :)

      We are two disabled folks and the internet is our entertainment.

      Support the lifeline internet service bills.

      All our decent shopping is 20 miles away.

      Amazon is a life saver.

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      This is my opinion based on what little I know and understand of the rumors and lies Thanks, Randal
    12. Re:So what? by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      I'm just saying, it's almost impossible not to be able to afford $10 per month. Just as an example, replace a few meals with one of these, dry corn for 18 cents per pound, 8000 calories per dollar. Not necessarily that you'd want to, but that you could -- or you could get food stamps. You also could get a roommate, even if the landlord thinks otherwise, even if there's no dignity in sharing a 1 bedroom apartment -- or get government assistance for housing. And yes, you can get necessary assistance even if you have a job, at least in any sane country. People usually overpay on a car (and almost always overpay badly when financing the car), and can usually save money by shopping around for insurance. Surely somewhere in all that there's $10 per month that can be squeezed.

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      Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
    13. Re:So what? by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      Comcast and Centurytel both have plans that start at $10. I'm sure taxes and fees bump that up to nearer $15 but you can get a low-end broadband connection for LESS per month than a landline.

      I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that if you had to choose between a phone line and a cable connection, the cable connection will provide way more value to you in the short and long terms. There's loads of free entertainment online, you can make phone calls for free, it's a necessity for applying for a lot of jobs, it lets you easily compare prices without wasting gas driving round town and it's an important part of educating your children.

      Obviously there are going to be select people who can't afford either of them, but if you can afford one I have a really hard time pushing for the land line.

    14. Re:So what? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      I think we can both agree that wireless requires an expensive phone and expensive plan. Are you claiming that a Cable company land line is different than an AT&T land line? I don't see it that way, but I'll play along for the sake of argument. Comcast will give you Cable service for less than 10.00 a month for the phone (including the phone), or is that the bundled price with Internet and/or Cable TV? At least where I live, the latter is true and the former is false. Its also a 6 months at 19.99 or so, and not 19.99 for long durations of time.

      I believe what is missing is that people take pretty much everything for granted, until they have to live without. If you are fiscally responsible and in poverty, life is extremely difficult. Let alone trying to dig yourself out of poverty. Odds are not in favor of someone getting out of poverty, but people do it all the time. Certainly not a majority of people.

      If you are fine living in poverty and don't mind sitting in poverty for extended time (often a lifetime), there are programs which can help you.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    15. Re:So what? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      I'm just saying, it's almost impossible not to be able to afford $10 per month. Just as an example...

      I am just saying to live the life and then open your mouth about how easy or hard it is to get 10.00 every month for a service you don't need. Have you ever applied for food stamps, housing assistance, etc..? Have you ever applied to a charity? Have you ever missed meals for days because you could not afford food? Ever have a room mate, which you established to save money, steal all your stuff and leave you nothing?

      Until you live the life, stop making BS claims about how things you take for granted are easy for other people. I gave you the assignment, go do the work.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    16. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of a landline, people have a free flip phone and Simple Mobile, with a handful of minutes per month to be used sparingly.

      Simply put: If the students cannot afford a computer already, then they are not going to be able to afford the regular cost of internet service.

      Not only does the OP make the assumption that everyone needs a computer, but OP is furthering the class and income disparities in his classroom. This exacerbates the inequities, especially when many of the students may not be able to compensate. If OP is not going to work with the school to get computers and internet access into the hands of these children, without an added cost to their families, then the OP needs to modify the homework or provide time in the classroom to do the required media tasks.

      What OP needs to do is a poll of his classroom, keep it written and anonymous, and ask about what type of connectivity and access his student's have. Do they have Cable TV at home? What type of television do they have? Do they already have internet access at home? Does someone in the home have a computer that they are not allowed to use? What types of phones does the family have? And so on. These questions may help reveal more options that can be legitimately negotiated with the families.

    17. Re:So what? by grahamsz · · Score: 2

      Have you looked at the links I've posted?

      Both comcast and centurytel have programs which allow qualified low income families with children to get 1.5Mbps broadband for ~$10/month. It doesn't appear to be an introductory rate and I don't see any obvious requirements that you have cable tv or phone service from them. Comcast will even sell you a low cost computer and come to your house and set it up and show you the basics of using it.

      Comcast charge a bunch more for phone service, but once you've got cable internet you can easily sign up for google voice, get a free local phone number and (with the purchase of a cheap headset) you can take phone calls and receive voicemail.

      These seem like programs that are absolutely targeted at the use case that the OP is describing. I'm asking you why, if you were eligible for a program like that, that you'd suggest getting a landline instead of cable/dsl?

    18. Re:So what? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Have you looked at the links I've posted?

      I would think that asking the question would have made it obvious that I did not follow the links, but I also believe you either completely misunderstand my position or are intentionally ignoring it. More on this as we go on...

      Both comcast and centurytel have programs which allow qualified low income families with children to get 1.5Mbps broadband for ~$10/month.

      Broadband != Phone service. You said I can get a phone for 10.00/month if I am in poverty. You just moved the goal post, but at least this was obvious.

      It doesn't appear to be an introductory rate and I don't see any obvious requirements that you have cable tv or phone service from them. Comcast will even sell you a low cost computer and come to your house and set it up and show you the basics of using it.

      Hang on a second, you seem to be equating poverty with lower income brackets. They are not the same thing at all. If I have trouble affording a phone for 20.00 a month what the hell gives you any idea that I can pay for a computer even at a discount? What makes you think I can afford the change in my electricity bill? What makes you think I have a TV, let alone a TV that can hook up to cable? Those are all rhetorical questions, because you really can't be that delusional.

      Comcast charge a bunch more for phone service, but once you've got cable internet you can easily sign up for google voice, get a free local phone number and (with the purchase of a cheap headset) you can take phone calls and receive voicemail.

      You implied my claims were incorrect about the cost and that your links would refute my claim, yet here we see plain as day that my claim was exactly correct. You still fail to understand, or simply ignore, reality. If a person can not afford a box of mac&cheese, how do they afford High Speed Internet? How can they afford phones, PCs, and TVs to use any of this stuff when they can't eat? Again, rhetorical questions because you still can't be that foolish.

      These seem like programs that are absolutely targeted at the use case that the OP is describing. I'm asking you why, if you were eligible for a program like that, that you'd suggest getting a landline instead of cable/dsl?

      Because these programs have requirements, which I have expressed several times. Cable/DSL is absolutely useless without an expensive device to use them. 10.00/month for a service which requires 200.00 in device costs every year or so (sooner if something breaks, gets stolen, etc..) is not 10.00/month. It is (200.00/duration + 10.00/month)/month. That is for the Broadband only, not the phone which you need to have for finding and maintaining jobs. That is another 10.00/month + device_cost/duration.

      It is mathematically impossible for your 10.00/month broadband cost to be cheaper for a phone, than a standard phone.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    19. Re:So what? by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      > It is mathematically impossible for your 10.00/month broadband cost to be cheaper for a phone, than a standard phone.

      As best I can tell a phone line is still >$20/month even with subsidies for low income. I'm not sure how you define mathematical possibility, but I'd certainly hold broadband as much more valuable than pots.

      You can use cable just fine with a basic computer from 5 years ago. Sure you won't be streaming high def video, but that's not really the point here. I pretty much give away older computers, but for my convenience I really only do that to people who have craigslist available, which I suppose creates a tough catch-22.

      It's not going to be easy. I can pick up a $3k macbook and expect it to work perfectly, but it can absolutely be done. Plus of course once you have the internet you have access to things like craigslist which are really useful when you are broke.

    20. Re:So what? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Last try, because after this you are simply content with living in fantasy and refuse to see reality.

      If you can not afford to eat, how do you afford to pay for the increase in electricity from a "free" computer? This is one of numerous concerns to a person in real poverty. This is what I was stating before, a thing you take for granted because you have never been in poverty.

      Plus of course once you have the internet you have access to things like craigslist which are really useful when you are broke.

      Ha ha, too funny. You are simply refusing to see poverty for what it is. That is called being delusional, grats on that one.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    21. Re:So what? by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      You claimed you yourself had a land line when poor.

      I'm not claiming every single poor person can afford a computer, but there are a lot who could benefit from one.

    22. Re:So what? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      The claim I have refuted is your original claim that it's cheaper for a person to have a Broadband connection than a land line. That was your whole point in making the false claim about a phone being only 10.00 a month if a Cable company provides the service.

      So are you conceding your case and admitting you are both incorrect and ignorant? Or will you now claim that despite thread history you intended to argue all along that it was simply better for a person to have a computer. Generally speaking of course.

      If you had not noticed by my comments, I had you pegged a while back. Meaning I won't hold my breath for that apology and admission.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    23. Re:So what? by grahamsz · · Score: 2

      I never made a claim about a "phone being only $10 a month". Comcast repeatedly try to sell me one and it's far more expensive than that.

      What I said was that $10 a month internet service is good enough to run skype or google voice and can be used as a phone number for things like job applications.

      As best I can tell in CO, subsidized phone service is about $21 + taxes and subsidized internet service is $10 + taxes. Obviously if you can't afford a box of mac & cheese then you'll have neither one. However if you could afford phone service then you could free up $11/month to put towards buying a $150 computer.

      I'm asking you to defend your position that phone service is a necessity but internet service is a luxury and you resort to pointing out that some of the poor can't afford a single meal. However the poverty line for a family with two kids is around $24k/yr, there are a lot of people who are poor but who can absolutely afford the prices i'm talking of.

  79. Pawnshop FTW... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the story gets more complicated -- what do they want to do:
        A) Chemistry, Engineering, Physics -- Get a laptop with a GPU (at said pawnshop, I got an older i5 Dell with an entry level Quadro for 129). 3D FTW!
        B) Video production - Uh. Biggest desktop beast (Sandy Bridge or better), SSD, 2 monitors and an iPad. No shortcuts. Nothing scales like video.
        C) Music - Make sure it has firewire. I know it's passé, but you can get stupidly capable mixing boards and UI stuff with firewire interfaces. USB doesn't rate.

        D) Others - Something with a nice keyboard, and as much resolution as you can get (if your eyes are good, you'll want the space).

        E) And make sure the platform has the right software for what you want to do...
              a) Graphics/Video - Mac FTW. PC has some, but not much (Final Cut, AVID, etc)
              b) Engineering - Windows. Sorry, nothing competes with Solidworks.
              c) IT/CompSci - Linux FTW. Get enough ram for windows VMs... Maybe use windows as the base OS if you're doing cad work, and have Linux VMs.

    Too bad I'm interested in all of the above...

  80. I'm surprised your district allows this by enjar · · Score: 1

    In our school district, it's all Apple stuff -- iPads for students, and a lot of Apple hardware in the libraries and so on. I'm guessing Apple has a pretty steep educational discount, as our district isn't particularly wealthy (we aren't particularly poor, either). The vendor is kind of a secondary consideration to the curriculum, though -- and the teachers and staff integrated the Apple stuff into the curriculum so they are using the same applications across the district, so instruction is consistent and any bugs only have to be worked out once. From the IT side it's also vastly easier to have one vendor to deal with, and they can keep spare equipment around so when the inevitable happens and an iPad or iMac meets the floor somehow, they can reimage and replace it quickly. They also have school email accounts for students and staff which are managed in one place, and also sidestep a lot of nonsense with undeliverable mail, full mailboxes, usernames, etc. Since they control the infrastructure they can really do a lot of automation and also lock down the machines so the kids aren't playing Minecraft all day when they should be learning. The teachers can also blank every screen with the touch of a button to control distractions.

    Compare that to a ragtag collection of Chromebooks, Windows PCs, Linux, Macs and whatever else may be dragged into the classroom. You get dragged down by anything and everything. Some kids set up a Minecraft game. Someone else is on WhatsApp all the time. Someone's craptacular Salvation Army PC wets the bed, losing all the data. Someone's email gets hacked.

    Oh, and then there's the privacy concerns ... keep in mind these kids are not adults, and their parents may have different ideas than you about their access to the Internet, watching videos and so on. And/or having their own email address that's outside of school control and oversight.

    Then the teacher down the hall decides they want to do something that doesn't line up with what you are doing, and there's a new set of applications and websites for the parents to get peeved over.

    Also, I'm not an Apple fanboy. You could do the above with Windows, Linux or Chromebooks. The key is that the district picks one thing and then you build around that one thing. Same reason businesses, colleges and so on pick one thing and try to stick to that as much as possible to keep administration sane.

    1. Re:I'm surprised your district allows this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all districts have the budget for this. Consider for example, the Detroit Public Schools. They regularly can't afford to pay the teachers, or keep the buildings maintained. There's absolutely zero room in the budget for buying "name brand" electronics for every student. A purchase program is a marginally decent suggestion, until you consider the huge portion of families in that district, that couldn't afford to buy them even at discounted prices.

      In a perfect world, you have the ideal technical solution. Simple to maintain, simple to administer. This isn't a perfect world, and it's been considerably less so since 2007...

    2. Re:I'm surprised your district allows this by enjar · · Score: 1

      The bigger theme I was getting at was : it's above OP's pay grade to some extent, and that OP is to some extent distracted from doing the job they were hired to do -- TEACH ENGLISH. By putting together a weird and inconsistent environment that's entirely beside the point of what they are hired to do, OP is just making more work for themselves, and to what end? Are the students writing better essays? Are they scoring better on standardized tests? Are they getting into college? Are they thinking more critically? It doesn't matter if you have a $20, $170 or $1700 computer -- they are tools that allow you to do something. When I was learning English, papers were largely hand written, although printouts were also accepted. Given that computers were not ubiquitous at that time, sometimes it was vastly more efficient to bang out an essay in study hall and just get it done before I ever got home. Pen and paper were just fine then, and should still be just fine for OP to accept, as well.

      As for the Detroit Public Schools, I would say that if they can't pay the teachers or maintain the buildings, there are bigger fish to fry before taking on any kind of technology, even if the purchase price of that technology was $0, given that the maintenance cost is decidedly non-zero. Someone's going to have to keep up with things, and that takes time AND money. Time and money that likely have better places to go.

      Assumptions:
      - OP is not on the "technology committee" for their district.

      Assertions:
      - OP does not want to be tech support (they mention it explcitly). If you don't want to support a bunch of computer problems, then don't require computers to complete the assignment.

  81. You have several options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Reorganize the class so that using a computer offers no substantial advantage. Require that students reference printed resources (which students must produce on demand of the instructor) and require that all papers be handwritten.
    2. Require all students complete computer work using some common set of shared resources, e.g., a school computer lab. Enforce this using some combination of class time, academic honesty policy, and technological solutions (e.g., regular "study hall" sessions in a locked-down computer lab running custom software).
    3. Get the underprivileged students some decent equipment to help put them on level footing. You cannot expect them to buy it themselves. Either get the school to pay for it, find somebody to donate it, or buy them what they need yourself. That includes Internet connectivity. If you can't afford to buy it for your students, what makes you think they can afford to buy it for you?

  82. Palm m105 by bhetrick · · Score: 1

    A working Palm m105 can be had for $25-35. "Typed" student papers (Graffiti'd in) could be transferred to your computer by IrDA or a serial cradle. If you're willing to reformat electronic readings to ePub format, readings can be transferred to students the same way. "Notes" up to 4kB hold about a page and a half of single spaced text. Small but readable screen, free applications that raise the limit on the editor to 32kB (about 12 pages single spaced). A pair of batteries lasts 1-2 weeks; using the IrDA is the big current suck, so use a serial cradle for everything. The "supercaps" in the m100 series don't hold a charge while switching batteries, so the device resets. "Hotsync" to a PC before & after battery swap makes that irrelevant. For those who must keyboard, an attachable full-size keyboard that folds up to pocket size is another $35.

  83. Add a keyboard to an Android tablet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can get a POS tablet for $50. Not fast, but will work. Make sure it has Bluetooth, because you need to add a Bluetooth keyboard.

    But I prefer a windows-style interface (you can look up something, copy/paste and do that intuitively vs "switching apps" all the time).

  84. ebay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you can buy a used laptop on ebay for under $40 or so, put Ubuntu on it and it should work fine. I have done that for my kids to play with it and it's worked fine. they usually don't have good battery and need to be plugged in, buy one with a hard-drive, if not you may have to put one in and that may cost extra. most of them should work fine with Ubuntu 11 or 12.04. should be enough to go online and write papers.

  85. Cheapest right now is the Raspberry PI. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Monitor - $100.
    Raspberry PI 2 - $35.
    keyboard - $20.
    mouse - $10.
    Add USB recharger - $10.

    Extra Micro SanDisk - about $12.

    The Pi + case + USB power can run about $50. But the case can be made from lego blocks for a lot less.

  86. "Are any of my assumptions wrong?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think "middle-class" means what you think it does. If some of your students can't afford computers or internet, in this day and age that's very definitely lower-class.

  87. Turing machine by Toshito · · Score: 4, Funny

    The only DIY paper computer! Turing complete*

    *with an infinite strip of paper, not included

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    Try it! Library of Babel
    1. Re:Turing machine by thoromyr · · Score: 1

      take a strip of paper, rotate one end 180 degrees, tape ends together. Voila! You now have an infinite strip of paper :)

    2. Re:Turing machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You stole one side of my paper strip!

  88. Exactly this. Rethink your curriculum. by tlambert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly this. Rethink your curriculum.

    "I assign papers that must be typed, I have papers turned in online, and I plan to freely refer to texts, videos, and other resources that are available online."

    Don't do this. Don't force them to type, don't force them to turn in online, don't refer to text, videos, or other online resources, unless you also offer library resources that allow them to reference the materials without buying a computer and paying for internet connectivity.

    "This gives an extra disadvantage to students that may be from the poorer end of the strata, and also means extra inefficiency for me, as I have to make allowances for students who don't have a computer available at home."

    Yes. So cut it out. You are unnecessarily disadvantaging them for your own convenience.

    P.S.: If someone is using a computer with a spelling and grammar correction capability, how will you catch students with learning disabilities so that they can get help sooner rather than later? How are you going to detect copy and paste plagiarism, if it's possible to copy and paste?

    1. Re:Exactly this. Rethink your curriculum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are the same people that complain that no child left behind is no child gets ahead... But ow we are advising that he holds back students to the level of the most underprivileged? No, I think he is going in the right direction. If there is educational content out there that he thinks will help his students and deliver better results he should go for it and do what he is trying to do, bring the underprivileged up rather than hold everyone back.

      For the not the right class argument: Yes, English need not be taught using computers but who are we to tell him that he should ignore the limitless free ed content out there... These kids will need to learn basic computing skills sometime especially if they are ever to escape poverty. English class is as good as any. And there is no right class for every life skill If we only learned Math in Math and English and English we be worse off for it. You pick up stuff along the way everywhere you go there is no right place and no right time. We should learn everywhere and whenever we can.

      Keep trying anonymous reader.

    2. Re:Exactly this. Rethink your curriculum. by tlambert · · Score: 2

      For the not the right class argument: Yes, English need not be taught using computers but who are we to tell him that he should ignore the limitless free ed content out there...

      It think that kind of comes with giving him the job title "teacher", rather than the job title "media facilitator".

      These kids will need to learn basic computing skills sometime especially if they are ever to escape poverty.

      So have them *also* take a computer class. They should learn English in their English class.

    3. Re:Exactly this. Rethink your curriculum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IRT your PS: Hey, just cuss the soft wear has spellchecker and grammar-mind futures doesn't man that the righter can use it right.

      ("Just because the software has a spellchecker and a grammar-minder doesn't mean that the writer can use them correctly."

      I started with that sentence, typed it quickly (for typos) and deliberately hit a few homonyms before accepting the spellchecker's fixes.)

    4. Re:Exactly this. Rethink your curriculum. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
      I hated English class in HS. So much that I purposely chose my major and classes so I would not have to write anything. I'm simply, due to genetics or being dropped on my head as a child, uncapable of writing.

      But of the skills that has helped me the most, looking back on my professional career, my high school's over emphasis on reading and writing wins. This maybe moreso than the technical college classes, which while interesting, did not carry over into the real world that much.

    5. Re:Exactly this. Rethink your curriculum. by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      I agree that you don't need a computer to learn English lit. I had some access to computers in my school, but mostly everything was books and paper. They did make me type all my papers after a certain point, though, so typing papers is a far-from-new phenomenon.

      However, computers are becoming so pervasive for everything these days that I think relying on only a "computer class" to integrate the practical use of computers just isn't going to cut it if these students want to deal with the realities of life in the 21st Century in the US. Everything is going online and eventually everyone will need to use a computer for something. This is a different world than I grew up in, and as I look at my parents, struggling through using computers, the last thing I want to do is manufacture more people who are less proficient with them in the name of good old book learning.

      Textbooks are extremely expensive as well, and while they may be readable for a long time, they certainly can become obsolete and completely lack interactivity. I think schools should be able to provide enough computers for the use of their students. I know that certain teachers sometimes turn these computers into playthings, and for that, I think we need someone to take a good look at where and when computers are appropriate. But make no mistake, they are quite simply the replacement for libraries and typewriters, being more functional and much more convenient than either. .Librarians themselves are not outdated, but card catalogs and the Dewey Decimal system alone just aren't cutting it any more.

      If anything, I'd turn the library into rows of desks with computers on them and have librarians spend their time finding online resources to curate and add to an "online school library" which can be research source with better provenance than the general Internet. I love books, and they have their own virtues, but they also have serious limitations. They certainly should remain in some form, and an English class is probably the best place for them to remain permanently, but textbooks in general just have portability to speak for them, and today, not even that now that lightweight tablets and laptops are out there. My full-on laptop today weighs as much as just one textbook (of many) that I used to lug around and can contain by itself, copies of every textbook I have ever used, with a lot of spare room. And that's ignoring the internet.

      The real problem with the Internet is that it can be difficult to use it as a trustworthy reference resource, but that can be overcome by developing a standard set of resources online.

      I don't want to over-do my enthusiasm for computers in school. Time and time again, they get used as toys by teachers who don't know how to use them, and enthusiasts who become teachers and end up teaching more about computers than the subject at hand. However, they do represent progress in how information can be shared, produced and distributed and cannot be ignored in any school that is trying to do more than simply impart basic literacy and McDonald's worker skills.

    6. Re:Exactly this. Rethink your curriculum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are unnecessarily disadvantaging them for your own convenience.

      P.S.: If someone is using a computer with a spelling and grammar correction capability, how will you catch students with learning disabilities so that they can get help sooner rather than later? How are you going to detect copy and paste plagiarism, if it's possible to copy and paste?

      All this is true, if we really believe that today's English classes should be a carbon copy of those 40 years ago...in the meantime let's think about what skills are actually useful today. Spelling for example...If today's students' spelling is only perfect after the computer corrects it, does it matter? Practically speaking, how often are you in a situation where you can't use spell check? Do you really think those situations won't be increasingly rare? Shouldn't we be making sure this generation knows how to use spell check (and much more importantly how to type and appropriately do research online with credible sources, etc.)? I'd much rather see kids of today learning how to make most effective use of the tools they will have accessible to them as they become productive members of society than getting hopelessly behind their peers because they haven't been continuously exposed to computers. The premise is right, that students of poorer families are at a disadvantage, but while ignoring that fact may help them pass a '60s style English class, it sure isn't going to help them with life skills for today.

      P.S. Students are being asked to turn in their papers electronically so they can be checked for copy and paste plagiarism. It may not be a perfect check, but it isn't a bad one (judging from the number of students that get caught) and if you think that someone without a computer isn't equally likely to plagiarize by hand (perhaps with a few words changed here or there?), you are pretty naive.

    7. Re:Exactly this. Rethink your curriculum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not making them type their papers will put them at a disadvantage in later education.

    8. Re:Exactly this. Rethink your curriculum. by vthyng2478 · · Score: 1

      Having our kids hand write homework is asinine, unless that is the only way possible such as showing your work in math. Why should be be selling our kids short just to teach to the lowest common demoninator. Come on now, don't you want the best for your kids? Let teachers give our kids the best education, and we all need to fill the gap for the kids that don't have the minimum equipment and services.

    9. Re:Exactly this. Rethink your curriculum. by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Most high tech people limit their kids use of technology, if they know what's good for their kids:

      “So, your kids must love the iPad?” I asked Mr. Jobs, trying to change the subject. The company’s first tablet was just hitting the shelves. “They haven’t used it,” he told me. “We limit how much technology our kids use at home.”

      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09...

      "Since then, I’ve met a number of technology chief executives and venture capitalists who say similar things: they strictly limit their children’s screen time, often banning all gadgets on school nights, and allocating ascetic time limits on weekends."

    10. Re:Exactly this. Rethink your curriculum. by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Not making them type their papers will put them at a disadvantage in later education.

      So give them an IBM Selectric, if the goal is to teach touch typing.

  89. Another consideration by Doitroygsbre · · Score: 1

    There is probably a computer club at school, and there is most likely a dedicated IT staff. Talk to them. Our local school sold a bunch of old PCs last year for real deal ($30 for desktops, and $50 for a few servers IIRC). Home computers are used/required by most classes anymore; make this an issue that the school addresses. Look into setting up a program where old school computers are leased/loaned/sold/given to low income families.

    Alternatively, you could go down to the local recycling center and look into getting old electronics. People recycle old, still working electronics just because they bought new stuff. If there is a college nearby, check the curbs on recycling day near the end of the semester. I have a friend that did this for years (until he moved). You could also run an ad in the local paper asking for old computers to be donated to the school (You'll probably need permission/help from administration for this).

    I have a Toshiba Satellite A45-S250 (built in 2004, Intel P4, 1GB of RAM) that is still usable for most everything I need a laptop for. I was able to get it for free and loaded Gentoo with XFCE on it.

    Really, the cheaper the option the more work is going to be required, but it can easily be close to $0 for the hardware.

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  90. Second-hand laptops with live Linux on USB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have to require computers, help your students look for used laptops. They can be had very cheaply, especially if the battery is dead and the hard disk is damaged. Doesn't matter: Use a live Linux distribution on a USB stick. The bigger challenge is getting them internet access.

  91. Try Googling cheap used laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are some on Amazon in the $40 price range.
    Does anybody in the class not have a smartphone, podthing or tablet? Maybe teaching based on a mobile device is a good idea?

  92. Assorted thoughts by T.E.D. · · Score: 1
    • How about public libraries? Every one I've seen in the last 10 years has public access PC's. Those are free. Convenience isn't always great, but it beats the heck out of $170. Find out where all the branches in your district are, and hand out a sheet with that to your students (Bonus: Libraries are a good safeish space to do homework in. Even some of your wealthy students may not have that at home)
    • Don't assume $170, or $100, or even $20 is no burden. "Middle-class neighborhood" or no, I guarantee you that you have students who are so destitute they don't eat on days the school isn't running their meal program. Plus you aren't the only teacher that kid has, nor is that kid necessarily the only school-age kid that family is trying to support. What looks like "just a bit more money" to you can be yet another brick on the pile of unpayable bills on the head of that family. You should be shooting for $0, not $170.

    But in general, if you don't want to be further disadvantaging kids who don't have access to computers, you should probably rethink your entire strategy of basing all coursework around them. The school district I live in got around this issue by issuing all students their own loaner chromebooks for the year at no extra charge. That's one way to do it, but this also happens to be the wealthiest school district in my state.

  93. Check their pockets by Graymalkin · · Score: 1

    Even students without traditional computers at home likely have very servicable smart phones in their pockets. Fairly capable smartphones are available at very low prices or free with contract. There's even the so-called "Obama Phones" (cheap phones and cell service offered to various government assistance recipients) that some students may have.

    With that in mind think about how you can get them to use those devices they already have to not only access resources but do their homework. Do some research to find out some cheap or free apps that can do the sorts of tasks you need done for your class. For instance a good PDF reader for books and documents and an editing app/suite for writing assignments. Google Docs and Microsoft Office are both readily available for Android and iOS, you could provide some instructions for writing papers and sending them through those services. You can even do document sharing so you can collaborate with them on assignments. Don't limit that concept to the phone-only students. Online collaboration can be a useful skill for them to learn and it gives you as the teacher an ability to correct or advise their work in real time.

    There's a lot of cheap Bluetooth keyboards that work very well with Android and iOS. You can recommend (or provide) some for students lacking traditional PCs at home so they can type up long form assignments. Additionally give your phone-only students some idea of places that might have free WiFi (libraries) so they can access higher bandwidth content.

    Between students with traditional PCs and only smartphones you're probably going to get 99% of your students. For those handful without either a PC or smartphone there's computers at the public library, school library, or even your classroom. You can always accept handwritten papers and abuse the school's printers to get a few dead tree copies of online documents.

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    1. Re:Check their pockets by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Do tech support on cell phones? Decent idea but what about if you never used Android 2.3, or iOS, or the Samsung or over interface overlay? They're all unalike and you will end up with the obsolete smartphone, the low ram smartphone, the smartphone loaded with spyware, the scratched to hell screen, the kid using software keyboard on 3.5", using dad's or mom's smartphone (and reading their sex related or private messages)

    2. Re:Check their pockets by Graymalkin · · Score: 1

      All of your points apply equally with PCs. Just because those things might happen does not mean they will or that the OP needs to deal with them. They would not be expected to do tech support for the virus-riddled home PC any more than they would be expected to do with a phone. Writing up a cheat sheet with some pointers to free online services is hardly tech support.

      Various versions of Android and iOS are immaterial since the requirement for the class would be a particular application or suite of applications. If they can run Google Docs or Office 365 on their device and can send the instructor documents they have fulfilled that class requirement. Who cares if the kid typed up their paper with the on-screen keyboard on a tiny screen? If the content of hte paper is good and it was turned in on time it doesn't really matter how they physically managed to write it.

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    3. Re:Check their pockets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even students without traditional computers at home likely have very servicable smart phones in their pockets. Fairly capable smartphones are available at very low prices or free with contract. There's even the so-called "Obama Phones" (cheap phones and cell service offered to various government assistance recipients) that some students may have.

      You do nice job of pouring fuel on a fire. You now have the teacher wondering if the homework assignments should be texted to him or tweeted. Well played!

  94. Quit being a dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless you are going to provide the computers and the home internet connection, you shouldn't be the one requiring this level of commitment from your students. You are the one that needs to make reasonable accommodations for the students who don't have ready access to computers or the internet.

  95. Where are you pricing the RPi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (prices as of time of typing)

    So, if you want to buy a whole kit, there's this for $59: http://www.microcenter.com/product/445116/Raspberry_Pi_2_Model_B_Starter_Kit

    Alternately, you can price it as separate components:
    The Pi 2 Model B $29: http://www.microcenter.com/product/447313/Raspberry_Pi_2_Model_B
    A case for $4: http://www.amazon.com/Black-Cover-Raspberry-Model-Access/dp/B00ZF22D44
    A power cord for $7 (probably way cheaper if you look around): http://www.microcenter.com/product/441258/iEssentials_2Amp_Dedicated_Micro_USB_Wall_Charger
    An 8GB Micro SD card with NOOBS pre-loaded for $8: http://www.microcenter.com/product/448852/NOOBS_Operating_System_-_8GB_MicroSD
    Or, if you want to save some money, this slightly slower one with no OS installed from Amazon at less than $2: http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Kingston-MicroSDHC-formatting-Certified/dp/9985036182
    Some heat sinks (recommended) for $3: http://www.amazon.com/Aluminum-Heatsink-Cooler-Cooling-Raspberry/dp/B00ZCD5AGY
    And there are a wealth of USB WIFI adapters that work with the Pi, for less than $5 with free shipping on Amazon.

    So, with those prices (which I'm SURE can be beat if you're willing to dig more, this was less than 5 minutes of research), you're looking at $56 (or less) for a Raspberry Pi 2, with all the fixings. The kids don't have to get a box of parts - if you're going this far overboard on trying to help them get a cheap computer, the 10 minutes it'd take to put the heatsinks on, and put the Pi in its case is trivial. Suck it up. The longest portion of time would be flashing an OS to the SD card if you go the cheap route on those, which you ALSO should be in "suck it up" mode over, if you're going to make this something you seriously want to do for your kids.

    If you want cheaper than that, you're fooling yourself that you're ever going to find it, and should just give up now. A fully functioning PC for $56 is BEYOND impressive in the current market.

    Thing is, they still have to display it somewhere, and have input devices. You can get the keyboard/mouse from any thrift shop for pennies, and you could probably find a monitor too. Then you have to worry about internet access, because what's the point otherwise? At that point, if your students would have trouble affording a $56 PC, you're screwed anyway. Their only option is going to be a PC at the public library.

    If you have students for whom $50 is a seriously unbearable tax upon the family, the REAL problem you're dealing with is the requirement you're putting on them to submit things online, and requiring all papers to be typed. You're approaching poverty with a suburban mindset, and that will never work. If they're SO broke that $50 is asking too much, you have absolutely NO right to tell them they can't submit hand written papers.

    1. Re:Where are you pricing the RPi? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      She'd be better off getting one of the old W8 tablets (http://deals.n1wireless.com/unbranded-windows-8-10-1in-tablet-32gb-gray.html) for $60 and a second hand keyboard/mouse.

      But you're right - without internet they're going to be pretty limited.

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  96. Why is this a concern about poor people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since this is English; just assign whatever assignment and be done with it.
    1) Does the school have a computer / internet lab? If yes, tell them to use that.
    2) Does the school have a library (bonus if they have a computer/internet there)? If yes, tell them to use that.
    3) Does the town not have a library (bonus if they have a computer/internet there - most I've seen do have a computer with internet access)? If no, move to another town; that town is dying.

    I grew up and went to high school before the internet made everything a yahoo/google search away. I don't know what English assignment would require you to have internet or the assignment cannot be done. A local library mostly solves all assignments I had in high school and it still should. The matter of fact is that you are pandering to their laziness.

    Yes, people with internet at home will have an easier time and people that don't will have a harder time. This is just a small inconvenience and not Mission Impossible. Rich people will always have an advantage over poor people; but nothing that you're assigning could be impossible.

  97. Talk to local companies by kaka.mala.vachva · · Score: 1

    Talk to local companies, especially ones that are giving back to the community. There may be a few that are willing to donate old laptops that IT no longer supports, and these laptops will be good enough for your described usage.

  98. Ask friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you posted this same thing on your FB page and asked friends or family to donate old tech, I'd bet you'd have way more than you could handle. Then aske others, if they don't have hardware, to donate a Saturday. Sit down with the few dozen machines and reflash them with a basic Ubuntu (or similar) OS and some freeware that will meet their needs.

  99. bluetooth keyboard and their smartphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A good Bluetooth keyboard and mouse can be had for the $35 target price. Pair this with a smartphone with Bluetooth (Something just about everybody has) and you have a device that the student can write papers on, save and email to the instructor, and even handle (depending on OS version) Spreadsheets, small databases, and video.

    1. Re:bluetooth keyboard and their smartphone by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      I don't think students without a family PC will have a personal smartphone.

    2. Re:bluetooth keyboard and their smartphone by volmtech · · Score: 1

      You would be very wrong. My wife is taking nursing classes at a tech school. Most of the students in her class are poor young women with at least one child. While two or three do not have a computer at home they all have iPhones. Most also have a grant to pay for the course that includes an $800 check to pay for incidentals. No one showed up with a laptop but several got new iPhones. My wife is happy with her Galaxy S2 but her old HP dv1000 had gotten too slow so I got her an HP 15 for $350 from Amazon

      Of course nursing courses are more advanced than middle school. Much of the class work is presented on Power Points and the text books only cover the basics. People without computer skills and Internet are very disadvantaged. With me for IT support my wife is the top student. Should she be held back because most of the students are not as privileged?

    3. Re:bluetooth keyboard and their smartphone by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Well first I doubt they all have an iPhone. But if they do, and they can't afford a PC, they are pretty dumb. The iPhone is the most expensive phone out there.
      But anyways, I was talking about younger people. They live with their parents. If their parents buy them a personal smartphone, but not a PC for the whole family, they made the wrong choice.

    4. Re:bluetooth keyboard and their smartphone by volmtech · · Score: 1

      I was extrapolating where the younger students will be in 6 or 7 years. The class is only 13 students so it is a small sample. Most are employed as CNAs and are trying to get better positions. A cellphone is a requirement for employment. The iPhone is a status thing and they somehow find money to get the best. Their lives do not revolve around computers and if they have one it is so virus laden as to be useless.

      I taught my wife on-line searching skills and she spends hours researching and finding nursing help sites. Many of the other students do little or no studying and depend on the teacher throwing out enough missed answers so they can pass the tests. Supposedly they have good people skills and will still make good nurses. At least I have my wife to care for me in my old age (she's 15 years younger than me) but the rest of you shouldn't expect much. People living outside of the South or large urban areas may have a different experience.

  100. Not hard by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

    Go to the source (China)

    7" Android tablet ($25.73)

    http://www.aliexpress.com/item...

    Tablet case with built in keyboard ($4.97)

    http://www.aliexpress.com/item...

    Under $35 and they are usable, my wife and daughter have used them a lot. ;)

    I have several around the house used for general browsing, remote controls for the Kodi systems, and e-book readers.

  101. Re:How cheap is cheap? What needs to be done? by safetyinnumbers · · Score: 1

    An HP Stream 8 can use the T-Mobile free 200Mb/month data. Although a low limit, it is enough for some light web access (email, accessing documents, some web searches).

  102. microcenter WinBook TW700 tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $60 gets you 1 GB of RAM, Win 8.1, with HDMI and USB host ports! Even comes with a year of Office valid on 2 devices.

    I'm using a 2 GB version (around $120 upgraded to Win10) and enjoy it a lot.

    http://www.microcenter.com/product/439773/TW700_Tablet_-_Black

    1. Re:microcenter WinBook TW700 tablet by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      As a note, the web site says those are in-store only. So you'd have to live pretty close to a MicroCenter or you're paying more in gas than you're saving.

    2. Re:microcenter WinBook TW700 tablet by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      As mentioned above, that's in-store only, sale price.

    3. Re: microcenter WinBook TW700 tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a creative way to get an office license, you can't really do anything with Windows in less than 32GB.

      Watching specials you can get a decent Chromebook for as low as $130 or a used for under $100. Below that price options and functionality are limited.

  103. Public Library by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

    Why can't the students simply go to a public library and use the computers there? Or go to a friend's house and use their computer?

    Typewriters are pretty cheap on eBay these days too.

  104. The only answer is hand writing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're dealing with families for whom $70 for a RPi2 kit is going to break the bank, they aren't going to have the money to sit at some place with public WIFI all day, they aren't going to have internet at home, and chances are the parents are going to be too busy WORKING to take their kids to the public library for HOURS at a time.

    You're handling poverty with the mind set of a middle class, suburbanite, who's never had to say they truly can't afford something.

    You're not teaching programming, you're not teaching ANYTHING that requires a computer. If you're so concerned about the financial burden on these families that you're asking Slashdot, you should toss this whole exercise, and accept that the correct answer is to LET THEM HAND WRITE THEIR PAPERS AND HOMEWORK. No buts. No, stop. Nope. I can hear you trying to object from your position of whatever privilege affords you the ability to ignore the basics of this. Let. Them. Use. Pen. And. Paper.

    If you can't accept that, you've no business continuing to attempt to mold the minds of the youth, without some SERIOUS soul searching. If you can't get over your artificial reliance on technology after that, you should stick to your primary career, or change to a more affluent school district.

  105. Get a grant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until all your students have computers, don't assign homework requiring one. It is economic bias to do so as you point out yourself.

    What is the subject matter you are teaching? Writing is a lost art. Encourage it. Computer programming, well that's a different matter.

    Get your school to issue inexpensive computers to all students. Next time salary negotiations come around remember the students materials come from the same pot. And it is only what the public grants. Your raise often comes at the expense of school programs in athletics and the arts. So be reasonable. We just registered one of ours for high school football and it cost over $250 in fees, plus an expectation of prostituting ourselves selling items for the booster club as well, and a general sports participation fee covering the year. When I played no athletic fees, coaches were paid by the schools funds, and ticket sales balanced out the rest. (Actually swimming and football brought in enough to fund the other sports
    basic needs, but the coaches were paid by the school) Our "computer lab" of course consisted of old Wang programable calculators. But was paid for by the school.
    Get your school active, have a fundraiser, ask the B&M Gates Foundation for a grant, ask Apple for a grant. Ask them all for grants. But don't wimp out. And until it happens accept hand written papers.

  106. English language by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    You're a teacher, and you don't know enough to use "give" as a verb and "gift" as a noun.

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    1. Re:English language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong.

      http://grammarist.com/usage/gift/

      The use of gift as a verb is not new, at least according to the Oxford English Dictionary, which lists examples of gift used to mean to make a present of from as early as the 17th century.

  107. Auctions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find a local auction warehouse and see what they have. (you can ask your local police where they auction their seized goods). It isn't a sure thing, but if you hit it right you can get bulk buys of machines for less than $20 per (usually with all the peripherals included). If its a police seized goods auction they can be brand new (they usually go for more) but a failed startup auction can sometimes net decent machines for near nothing.

    I think that is probably the only way to get something around $20 and have it be mostly functional out of the box.

  108. It doesn't have to be brand spanking new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go refurb. Many old but adaquate name brand PCs are less than $100.

  109. The Fisher-Price Laptop by westlake · · Score: 1

    The best thing out there, designed specifically to address your concern, is the XO laptop by the laptop.org people for their "One Laptop Per Child" campaign

    The XO laptop is molded in the day-go colors and toy-like shapes that appeals to very young kids. The third-world education minister that was XO's prime market knew from the beginning that it wasn't a product for the middle school and beyond.

  110. Check your privilege, bruh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First: if you (the school system) are not providing them with the hardware and access on which they can type these papers, you have no business *requiring* them to use a computer to type their papers. Pen and paper are perfectly all right, so is old-fashioned typewriter, even if you "encourage" computerized papers and online submission.

    Second: if these kids cannot afford $170 for a cheapie laptop, they are *NOT* middle class.

    1. Re:Check your privilege, bruh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, working poor people should be able to afford that. I don't know how they make ends meet if they can't suffer a couple hundred dollar hit every handful of years... There's no way life could be that predictable.

  111. Does your school have any tech surplus? by axl917 · · Score: 1

    We're at the point now of retiring 2008-era Core2Duo PCs, and plan to make these (and some Atom netbooks. Ugh what a bad purchasing decision that was) available for free to staff & students that want something for basic word processing and web access needs. Most will go out with Vista Business, which won't hit end-of-life til Spring 2017. All they'll need to get for themselves elsewhere is a monitor.

    So hit up your IT people and see what they have.

  112. If you need a computer to teach 7th grade English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you fail & are a terrible teacher, please quit and stop drawing a publicly funded salary.

  113. You've Already Answered - Library by The+Last+Gunslinger · · Score: 1

    Seriously, when I was in grade school and assigned reports that required research, the school didn't twist itself into knots trying to figure out how to get me an affordable set of encyclopedias or other reference material. I went to the damned library and did the research.

    It's my understanding that schools today have internet-connected computer labs and/or public computers in their libraries, so this question is moot.

    1. Re:You've Already Answered - Library by subk · · Score: 1

      It's my understanding that schools today have internet-connected computer labs and/or public computers in their libraries, so this question is moot.

      Not really. That's like saying because they have cafeterias in schools, it is a moot point whether or not the child's parents can provide food at home.

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  114. WinBook TW700-Win 8.1, hdmi, bt, wifi,USB, mSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have and use daily a TW700 Winbook sold through Microcenter mainly, 3rd party sales on amazon and ebay...
    $60.00 new.. I use mine connected via HDMI to 40" LCD and BT mouse/keyboard.. Full size USB port allows easy expansion, 1280x768 screen, supports more for external.. Super power efficient(3-5 Watt running most of the time)...
    Limitation is 16gb, wimboot. ie: Not enough room for full Windows updates. TW802 is larger overall but more expensive... Runs windows 10 but wouldn't recommend that.. Anyone who rents MS Office deserves less money...

  115. Used Android Phone by Joe_NoOne · · Score: 1

    You can get them cheap - often free from a friend. That was my daughter's first "computer". There are text editing software, spreadsheets, and the like available and you can watch videos as well. REMEMBER - YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PHONE SERVICE TO USE THESE, JUST WI-FI ACCESS...

  116. Re:How cheap is cheap? What needs to be done? by fnj · · Score: 2

    So, how cheap is cheap? $50? $100? $200?

    Pay attention for god sake. From TFS, he knows how to do it for $170, but that is too much. So you know it has to be significantly below that figure.

    I noted the suggestion of linux. Are you prepared to teach linux?

    Oh shut up. What do you suggest? Windows? OS X? Do you think he can afford to "teach" those?

  117. Unconsidered options and wrong assumptions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Consider the option very seriously of not placing your efficiency or convenience as such a high priority that you are willing to continue placing more contrived obstacles in the path of less advantaged students. It is already enough that you are demanding of 10 to 15% of your students extra time and energy just to be able to turn in their assignments.

    Feel free to utilize the already existing venue and technology available to them specifically to equalize their advantages. It is called your classroom.

    A cheap computer will not help, instead it will hinder. It will require even more effort on their part to learn how to effectively utilize an unpolished stopgap half-measure at any price point, which will delay them from even getting around to beginning to take advantage of your online references.

    Throwing up your hands and declaring, "Well, I tried", is not a substitute for applying time management skills to your problem. However continuing to pursue a cheap fix will consume your time as well, and the end result will be exactly that. Consider investing that time instead on planning and organization.

  118. Public computers by werepants · · Score: 1

    By far the best option for this scenario is finding a machine owned by somebody else to use. Libraries have computers for public use, there are likely computer labs at the school that are free periodically, and students definitely have friends or relatives with computers. Work with other teachers and the IT department to come up with a solution - if everybody in the school took one evening a month to monitor a computer lab and allow students to continue working, the problem/excuse goes away. If you can't get traction in the school overall, get a desk and put one or two Goodwill computers in your room for students to use before/after school or during lunch.

    Fundamentally the "I don't have a computer" problem is an excuse - I guarantee your students have Facebook, when they want to get connected they find a way.

  119. Android Stick PC by magic_user · · Score: 1

    I have an android quad core stick PC ($40). I have Office Pro on it, and remote printing is set up. I have a mouse, a keyboard and an external HD connected via USB. It all works great. Not sure exactly what you are looking for, but my kids can do their homework on the stick.

    Also, do the kids without PCs have phones? Everything on my stick PC can (and does) run on my android phone.

    Of course, this all assumes they have an internet connection...

  120. Android sticks are better than you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used one to run a web server until I broke it while trying to do crazy stuff like get a kernel running with selinux. So it was my own fault it died. It's actually really easy to get them over to Linux. There's a distro dedicated to it called Picuntu. If you do a bit of googling flashing these things isn't nearly as hard as it was a few years ago when i was playing with them. They would still need a monitor, but if they have a modern TV they can just use the HDMI port there. Mine came with an adapter. Since it's an ubuntu based distro you could always show them how aircrack works if they need wifi...i mean talk to the parents about getting some of those crazy lolcat filled tubes called the interwebz.

  121. What will they do with it without internet? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    If they don't have computers at home, do they have internet connectivity? Otherwise it isn't very useful if you want them to be able to look stuff up online, send in papers, etc. Could you refer them to go use a local college library (which often have longer open hours than a K-12 school) where they could get online?

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  122. Windows 8 tablets are dropping by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    http://deals.n1wireless.com/un... for $60

    add a mouse and keyboard ($10, maybe $15 if you're lucky) or go second hand.

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  123. Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Raspberry Pi : $30-$35
    Memory Card: $8.00 for 4GB Card [on the high side of prices]
    Storage: $8.00 - for a USB stick [on the high side of prices]
    Power Supply: $8.00 - Typically a bundle that includes USB cable and USB charger @ 1.1A
    Case: $8.00

    Screen: "FREE" - go to the recycling center, and get an OLD crt

    Keyboard: $15.00 - typically the most expensive component
    Mouse: $10.00 - the next expensive component

    I'm sure the school might be able to do a "group buy" and get a few hundred of these components for cheap?

  124. Use the FCC to your advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Part of Comcast's deals with the fcc requires them to supply cheep internet and computers to low income households. https://www.internetessentials.com/

  125. Used computeres by nashv · · Score: 1

    Why not buy used laptops? If a Chromebook is sufficient for your work , any laptop from the last 5 years will also be sufficient.

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html...

    There's a few hundred under 20$ right there on eBay. Put in some work , install Xubuntu/Ubuntu-MATE and Libreoffice and you're good to go. Go to any large local corporation and ask if they will donate depreciated laptops. When corporations depreciate , they will give away their machines for free. Since you only need about 10 or so machines, this should not be a problem.

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  126. Helios Initiative by doug · · Score: 1

    http://www.heliosinitiative.or... is not quite the same thing, but if you're the type who does homework, you might find interesting stuff.

  127. No computer is required. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it really possible that you cannot equalize all your students by the simple expedient of insisting they turn in all their work written by hand with a pen or pencil on paper?
    Approximate cost, almost zero.

  128. Nine Dolla by sycodon · · Score: 5, Funny
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    1. Re:Nine Dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 Offtopic or -1 Troll either is acceptable for you.

    2. Re:Nine Dolla by CaptQuark · · Score: 1

      I tried to browse the web on a similar unit and every URL I tried equaled 404.

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  129. Find a recycle center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in Salem Oregon and we have a recycle center that refurbishes old laptops and other computer gear.

    http://www.garten.org/services/admin/oregon/C72/

    If you could find a place like that locally you might be in luck. I have seen piles of Thinkpads with core 2 duos there for $20 a piece. The guy that runs the storefront told me they end up recycling a lot of the usable gear because people don 't buy it. I think they may have an ebay store front as well. If you don't have something like this locally you may contact them, tell them your situation and see what they could do for you.

  130. Local GLUG support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in New Mexico where we have some of the poorest counties in the whole US, out GNU/Linux Users Group regularly receives donated laptops and desktops from local businesses and people upgrading their systems that we then refurbish with a Debian install and show kids how to work around the limitations of classroom mandated Windows reliance.

    I'd say look up whomever is running the GLUG in your local area.

  131. The computer is the cheap part. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He must be teaching in a urban or suburban area. The expectation of submitting online would not work were my daughter and grandchildren live. Simply because they don"t have internet access to their house in the rural area they live in. They were told they can receive internet if they were willing to pay $5000 up front for the line to be run to their house on top of the monthly fee after that. So for those living in a urban area your tax to build out the internet in rural areas is not working. By the way the rural area is within 25 miles of downtown Indianapolis not 200 miles from the middle of nowhere Nevada. And I'll bet anyone Shakespeare did not write Hamlet on a computer.

    1. Re:The computer is the cheap part. by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      Satellite internet is available in Middle of Nowhere, NV. Also Indiana. I've got a cousin in rural Indiana who uses satellite internet. They're about 30 miles from a major city. I wouldn't live in a place where that was my only option but I also paid a lot more for my smaller and more boring house.

      $5,000 to extend internet service to a rural location is cheap. That was what I had earmarked when I was house hunting. It never came into play because I didn't find a rural location I liked where a mere $5k would get me broadband.

  132. Craigslist by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    See if anyone is giving away computers or selling them cheap on there. Or Kijiji (but that's more popular in Canada than the US).

  133. Proscan 7" Android tablet - $49 by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    If you look around you can find a Proscan Android 4.4 tablet. My local grocery store is selling them for $49.00.

    It's not a full-function computer - but it's close. Add in a cheap bluetooth keyboard and you've got more computing capability than I had in college.

    Your $20 target might be impossible to reach.

  134. Re: tricks: Vaccum, wash the keboard, load linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't use a vacuum cleaner to clean the dust. The static will kill it. Source: a friend did, his computer is no more.

  135. Cell Phone+Google Docs/Driv+Bluetooth keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd would use the above combination. Assuming they already have a cell phone and data plan, google docs is essentially free and collaborative too, and they only thing they really need is a bluetooth keyboard, which can be had for $15 on amazon.

    I get a lot of work done on vacations with this setup :(

  136. There's a problem with the question... by brokenin2 · · Score: 1

    If they don't have a computer, they probably don't have the internet connection they'll also need for your described work flow. In the end, the internet connection is going to cost more than the computer, even with your $170 option.

    Of course, they could go use internet at the library, but then it needs to be portable (higher cost) and they already had an option to use a computer there so what are we actually solving.

    I think trying to get below the price point of a raspberry pi isn't going to be worth the trouble. I think you can lower your price point on that if you try though.. Looking to price on up cheaply I get: pi 2b ($35), case ($4), wifi ($4), micro sdhc ($4), ac usb charger ($3), usb wire ($2), keyboard ($7), mouse ($2). ...for a grand total of: $61 dollars... OK, and I went with the cheapest available (mostly) so a prudent choice would likely cost a few dollars more.. That means that basically your estimate was right on! Doh! I guess I take for granted that I have almost all those cheap little parts already laying all over the place at our house..

    Still, I think you can help them put the parts together, and it's probably your best bet.. Anything cheaper is going to quickly lose functionality/quality. A Pi is a really solid little machine for basic computing, and it's really well supported.

  137. 2nd hand, free by Bootsy · · Score: 1

    There's tons of cheap, decent laptops on eBay, not too old. Buyer has to know what they are doing, they all need a cleaning, and Linux would "have to do".

    More grassroots, workplaces replace their laptops and usually toss very good used ones all the time. (Speaking from experience). Do some calling around and you may find yourself sitting on a stack of 100 of them very quickly.

    I like the idea of phone as computer, everyone seems to shell out for phones and they are quite powerful. Peripheral-izing them could be costly tho.

  138. Re: tricks: Vaccum, wash the keboard, load linux. by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

    Don't use a vacuum cleaner to clean the dust.

    YES!

    Take the computer outside, open the case, and use canned air to blow out the dust. When the can starts to get cold, do something else for a few minutes until it warms to ambient temperature (otherwise it will fizzle out before its time.)

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    Will
  139. Cheap tablet or refurbished laptop by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

    You can get a Win8.1 (probably Win10 by now) tablet for $99, OTG USB adapter for $5ish (assuming you can't find a cheap tablet with a USB A port), USB keyboard and USB mouse from goodwill for $5. If you're lucky, you can get a keyboard with a built in hub. If not, another $5 for a hub. So you're looking at $105-115.

    However, that's going to be clunky with a tiny screen. A better bet would probably be to watch sites like Yugster and Woot for a netbook on sale. I got a refurbished Asus X205T for $130. It's small, it's light, it's got great battery life, they keyboard's nearly full size (like 95%), the screen is big enough to read. Another option would be to check those sites for refurbished machines. They often sell Core 2 Duo systems with Windows 7 (free upgrade to Win10) for $100-150. $25 for a monitor and keyboard from Goodwill and it's good to go. Neither option is good for gaming but that's not the goal here.

    Honestly, you're not going to find much cheaper than that. Even a Goodwill desktop or laptop that's ready to roll will cost more.

    And getting them a computer is only half the battle. If the family can't afford to spend $150 on a computer, how are they going to afford $20-50/month for an internet connection?

  140. Computer required for English? Really? by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Are you serious about that? If you are, it should be perfectly acceptable to hand in assignments as plain ascii text. In fact, it should be a requirement. If that is the case, people can salvage an old DOS or lightweight Linux PC for free from somewhere and use that for their typing assignments.

    If you'd require regular internet access and/or pro-level processing power from a student without funding plans I'd smack you.

    The worst are those idiot teachers requireing assigments to be handed in in MS Word. My daughter has a Acer Aspire One Netbook with Ubuntu - which, for a teenager - already counts as a luxury item in my book. And I'm a computer expert.

    Anything you can't do with a computer that costs a few dollars or can be aquired for free from a junk yard or a donation center shouldn't be on a school curriculum.
    Kids should learn the basics of computing, not that abyssmal subscription MS junk.

    Basic computer stuff can be done with FOSS on anything that runs on electricity nowadays. Or an emulator running in a browser on a library computer. The only two acceptable options for such school assignments - period.

    And, btw., handing in handwritten stuff should still be allowed as an option, especiall in a country with a borderline third-world educational system such as the US.

    My 2 cents.

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    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:Computer required for English? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP here. I hope/expect that most of my students will go on to college. Colleges will expect them to perfectly format typed pages. Colleges will expect students to be able to do research on the web, and incorporate it into their papers. Colleges will expect students to have a working knowledge of how to look up background information. If I don't teach this, I'm not doing my job.

      When I went to High School in the 90s, English papers needed to be typed. I would hate to go back to the 80s and not teach basic skills, just because of some weird German who posts on an American web site with a weird anti-American bias.

      "Borderline 3rd world education."

      Personally I hope/expect to have a number of students who go on to the very best universities, ones that are generally considered the top 25 in the world (there are no German universities on that list). I am very happy with the curriculum I teach and with the knowledge exhibited by my students. I actually have taught in a 3rd world nation, and it's incomparably superior.

      They can use school/library computers
      Yup. A computer at home is even better.

    2. Re:Computer required for English? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And real world companies will expect them to write legibly on a whiteboard without confusing their and there. Why is your effectiveness defined by how much you teach your students what their later education will teach them?

  141. RasPi by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

    $100 will get you a RasPi with the official touchscreen monitor that just came out.

    It's more than sufficient for most purposes, but if you're going to have them writing long essays, buying a cheap keyboard would also be a good idea.

  142. Best Option still a Pi by fonsecat · · Score: 1

    I think your best option is still the Raspberry Pi. You could easily assemble the Pi computer in a few minutes in the class room and students may learn valuable information about computers. I know several middle school kids who have very powerful gaming computers but use the Pi because of the multitude of things you can do with them. You could introduce this as a class project for all who want participate and see if there is a way to have those with more money contribute extra to cover those with not enough - or have a fund raising event like a 5k run or something.

    1. Re:Best Option still a Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Banana Pro is actually better and faster. I have 3 and they run android and linux. If you already have a HDMI monitor this is the best cheapest option

  143. Middle-class.. by pigsycyberbully · · Score: 0

    Middle-class is a social group between the upper and working classes. With that horrible English definition they could afford to purchase their own computers. In French suburbs you can go to a computer fair to purchased use computers. In Britain you can go to a second-hand shop, or in ugly U.S. expression "pre-loved". A new trend in Europe is a trading shop where you purchase or swap Electronics or software in their original packages with their original serial numbers and so on ( purchase or trade ). What they call in East Asia swaps. In the U.S. you have charities who get donated computer systems from companies who are upgrading their computers. These charities then provide those computers to the "needy". When I first come out of a test tube I wanted a computer and I didn't have any money. I was so desperate for a computer that I gradually built my own computer and I had to program it myself to make it work. Then eventually I got a VIC-1001.. Because I was very poor when I come out of the test tube, I had to learn myself from a dictionary to read and because I wanted to use the computer I had to learn to spell and program. I'm no longer poor and I am not very interested in computers any more. If you want something you will learn. You have to need. If they do not have a need and they will not learn regardless of computers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  144. HP Stream 7 by rwa2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They provide students access to equipment at school, the op is asking for options for them to be able to work from home. For the most part $50 is going to be the very bottom, but will usually need some things added on to make them really usable, a $50 tablet is going to suck for typing reports without a USB-to-go cable and keyboard.

    Something like the Stream 7 tablet at $100 (sometimes less) would be close, but fails the hdmi output they are wanting. Realistically they are looking at $75-$150 to get a decently usable general purpose type of system. The lower end requiring more assembly type of work and technical knowledge.

    I think the HP Stream 7 is a very workable device, and often goes on sale for $80 or less. HDMI will become less of an issue with wireless display to SmartTVs (or cheap HDMI dongles that turn regular TVs and projectors to SmartTVs)

    Reposting from yesterday's "Best Tablet?" thread:

    I'm pretty happy with our HP Stream 7 that we picked up early this year. Win10 on it is fine. Win8.x wasn't as much of a pain as people would lead you to believe. The OSK is still crap, though (even after enabling the hidden full 104-key virtual keyboard), so I threw a bluetooth keyboard and also a nice mouse at it.

    $20 BT keyboard http://www.amazon.com/Jelly-Co...
    $30 BT mouse http://www.amazon.com/Microsof...

    Runs Steam fine, much of my 2D game library works well. People have reported success getting it to boot Linux. Its main limitation is the 1GB of RAM which preempts a lot of multitasking, but for that price, you can buy one tablet for each app you want to run and line them up on your desk and walls and laugh maniacally.

    The nice thing about the current proliferation of smartphones and tablets is that, unlike old power-hungry PCs, they're still pretty useful after you retire them to a life as a digital photo frame or weather station or garage door opener or baby monitor or dashcam or whatever.

    1. Re:HP Stream 7 by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      The Stream 7 is a great device, but I haven't seen it stocked for months. I don't think it's a current product.

    2. Re:HP Stream 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got a stream 7 as a replacement for my Blackberry Playbook that I broke.
      I don't know if there's something wrong with the battery or charger of my stream 7, but it's the only unit I've ever used that shuts down due to flat battery while plugged in to the charger. It's nice but wtf.
      The blackberry playbook, however, was a great device. If you can pick up one cheap, get a bluetooth keyboard. It can edit Office files or create txt files

  145. Used? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A second-hand/factory refurb Windows 7 PC can be found from reputable dealers for under $100.

  146. Back in my day. . . by Zobeid · · Score: 1

    Back in my day, when we all had to walk five miles to school and back, in the snow, uphill both ways. . . All our assignments were written in longhand. Except one. On our senior year, before graduation, we had one assignment in English class that had to be type written.

    And then there was panic, because almost nobody knew how to type or had a typewriter! There was much gnashing of teeth, rending of garments, and wailing about the unfairness of such an impossible requirement. There were even stories of students paying enormous sums of money (like say $10) to other students to type up their papers. My parents dragged a portable Sears typewriter, which apparently hadn't been used in about 25 years or so, out of the back of a closet for me, and I completed the heroic task myself.

    Today I was tempted to write one of those posts about how a computer shouldn't be needed for High School English class. Good to know others beat me to it. But you know, the world has moved on. I don't know what it's like out there today, and even if a computer isn't strictly necessary these days for teaching English, it certainly seems like a broadly useful thing for students to have. So I'm not going to judge. The question of affordable computers for students is valid to ask.

  147. Call the IT department at a nearby university by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1
    Universities tend to not keep their computers for more than five years. I've recently that my own university sells computers to a parts scrapper for something like 5c/lb. I've learned this from the scrapper himself, from whom I bought a perfectly boring looking HP workstation with a Xeon e3-1240. I'm using it now and it's a great computer. Anyway, universities are usually not looking to make money from their end-of-life computers. I don't work for a rich college, but even we start scrapping (yes, scrapping - not selling) some computers when they're only four years old. If you caught our IT guy in a good mood and convinced him that you're using these things for an educational purpose, he could very well fill up your truckbed with Dell Optiplexes, and feel like you've done him a favor.

    State insitutions sometimes also sell gear in bulk on eBay. Here's is the page for New York State:

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/nysstore-albany/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=

    I expect you can get a lot of 2010 office computers for $15 a piece. They tend to take out the hard drives, which would be an additional cost, but not a huge one.

  148. best buy? by leehwtsohg · · Score: 1

    Best buy usually have very cheap android tablets for around $40.
    Like this one:
    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ze...

    I never tried these, though, could be garbage.

  149. Options I have not seen mentioned yet by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

    First Option: Search for a computer recycling center in your area. Free Geek in Portland OR was one of the first. These typically use volunteers to refurbish donated computers set up with FOSS software and provided to charities, churches, non-profits at no cost. I was one of their Build Instructors a few years ago. The volunteers would either contribute 24 hours of service to receive a free computer, or build up 5 computers from tested parts bins to earn a computer of their own, that would be their sixth build. Typically businesses that were upgrading would contribute bunches of used computers for the tax write-offs. Free Geek would sometimes get 25+ used computers coming in on a truck.

    Desktop computers that would do what you want would probably cost less than $50 at a Free Geek refurbishing store, including a wifi card. It might not be too difficult to arrange some kind of free-to-deserving-students program, probably by triangulating through an Elks or Odd Fellows Lodge.

    Second Option: Instead of providing computers, provide the students with their own personal thumb drives. Let them know that they can put their own music library on the thing, in addition to the school/homework folder, and they will be enthusiastic participants. They will find ways to plug in to somebody's computer, somewhere, whether at a library or a friend's house, or a neighborhood youth center.

    These are not mutually exclusive.

    I'd suggest talking with your IT people about whether they could put together a bundle of portable software that would handle homework requirements. I used a customized version of Portable Apps Suite several years ago, to provide clients of a workforce entry job training program with something they could develop their resumes on (and which also provided a number of useful reference files, including lists of community resources). Some of the advantages of this approach are that it encourages students to seek out community resources, and since all students are using the same software it is easier for the instructor to provide support. And again the concept that they could put their own music on the thing created instantaneous and enthusiastic buy-in.

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  150. A second-hand Open Pandora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a fully functional open-source computer.
    There's a Slackware port running on it.

  151. Salvage computers by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Consider involving others as a charity. You may want to talk to some salvage computer business. These folks buy computers by the pallette from govt and industry and schools. Usually these are less than 3 years old and in fantastic shape except most will be missing a hard drive. Almost by definition, anything you buy this way will have an easy to access hard drive bay (otherwise they just grind them up), so it's not too much of a hurdle to recondiution these. Now, getting one at a wholesale price is another matter-- they sell them for a profit. But maybe for a good cause you could talk them into sell you a palette at cost. If you are part of a school this might even be profitable write-off for them. Then run them off a USB stick entirely (128Mb $7 these days). Or if you can get some community organization like the Eagles or Rotary Club to volunteer to put in some harddrives. Let the kids install Linux off a live USB so they all get the same platform and apps.

    That leaves you with something far better than an XO-1.

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    1. Re:Salvage computers by ITRambo · · Score: 1

      Good suggestions. However, I don't think the USB stick info is correct. You mentioned 128 Mb for $7. I presume there was a typo somewhere. One should have no trouble getting a 16-GB USB flash drive for $5 or a 32-GB one for $10 on sale.

    2. Re:Salvage computers by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      Yes I meant 128Gb. E-bay and Aliexpress have 128Gb flash for as low as $7. (I bought some!). These are the slower 5MB/s write speed drives. If you want a 80MB/sec drive than 32GB will set you back $12 on Amazon, but you need a USB3 port to get that speed. Both prices include shipping.

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    3. Re:Salvage computers by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      You're paying $7 for 128MB? I just paid $7 for 16GB sticks in packs of 10.

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    4. Re:Salvage computers by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      Well then you are paying too much: here's one of a zillion on e-bay.
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/391207...

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  152. brought to you by hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    clinton. "people are soooo poor they cannot afford an rpi. donald trump is the cause. now vote for me and my corrupt little 500 million dollar enterprise and my uaw mafia"

  153. You meant Odroid by PeteVine · · Score: 1

    Rpi is a very poor choice compared to Odroid C1

  154. Ummm.... wait! by MrKrillls · · Score: 1

    There are a lot of good reasons not to require the least advantaged kids to use computers, and one is that in a tough neighborhood, that shiny laptop will get stolen and it's owner will get beat up as he/she is toting it to and from school. I don't see the wisdom in requiring computers for poor kids (and thus, not from any of them). I think it is a bad enough idea with kids who have means, but that is a discussion for another day, but for kids who's parents or guardians haven't got two nickles to rub together....

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  155. Additional comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In addition to the many good comments, you're ignoring the realities of home life in a impoverished home and the complication a computer can make.

    -If one child has a computer, any siblings will probably use / take / break it.
    -The computer is likely to be stolen (from the child)
    -One of the parents may take it for themselves
    -There may be no way to use a computer in a low income home due to lack of space, electricity, or free time for that student (vs. helping to maintain what meager items and/or income that family may have during after school hours, or subject to abuse or other things that "take up time". Starting in late middle school you also have kids who may be parents themselves.
    -The student may not have a practical way to get a computer to and from school due to lack of carrying ability or without being assaulted or having it broken by the other people / children in the neighborhood or at the school.
    -The cost for peripherals on non-laptops is significant (monitor / tv, keyboard, mouse, thumbdrive, cables) and would be extra items to be overused by family outside of intended purpose / stolen / broken / sold in time of desperation)

  156. Poor people do not belong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leave them to fend off on their own. They have no future anyway.

  157. Re: tricks: Vaccum, wash the keboard, load linux. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Don't use a vacuum cleaner to clean the dust. The static will kill it.Don't use a vacuum cleaner to clean the dust. The static will kill it.

    Thanks. I never heard about that. (Was your friend in a cold state during winter, so the humidity was low, or is this an issue generally?)

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  158. does it matter? by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

    If they need to have internet access at home, the cost of the hardware is insignificant.

  159. Apple by sls1j · · Score: 1

    Didn't apple announce new products today? Should be a lot of hipsters out there replacing their "old" apple products.

  160. Re: tricks: Vaccum, wash the keboard, load linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's never been a problem here in the UK, but then our humidity never drops below 40%

  161. ZX Spectrum £30 by tomxor · · Score: 1
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SINC...

    Then "borrow" a shopping trolley and go get a free crt tv from a rubish tip.

    ... seriously though, if you can't afford $70 for a usable Pi i'm not sure how you eat and live... unless you are a hippy trying to live in a forest, in which case i would have thought you'd consider computer to be an evil un-environmentally friendly product of consumerism, capitalism and human greed. But perhaps you can use twigs and crabs to create a rudimentary computer, there was a slashdot post a while ago about people creating adders with crabs. Btw what are you accessing slashdot with ? telepathy and fruit juice?

  162. Irrational by s.petry · · Score: 2

    Your statement indicates that you have one of two possible beliefs. First, you may believe that 100% of poverty is caused by drugs, booze, and cigarettes? Alternatively, you may be attempting to claim that poverty pushes 100% of the population living that way into drugs, booze, and cigarettes.

    Perhaps you meant to say something other than an absolutely false generalization and wish to apologize for being incorrect and induce dialogue on how poverty impacts everyone differently?

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  163. Garage sales and pawn shops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some people are happy to get rid of an older computer. They don't need a new one to type in an essay.
    If they do not have internet access, they need a thumb drive. (a few megs is more than they will type in a night)
    Put the work on the drive and bring it in. Then, it is only a few mins on the school computer to upload the work.
    Online research etc does put the poor people at a disadvantage.

  164. What's wrong with handwriting? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    >Are any of my assumptions wrong? Are there any other options I'm not considering?

    Yes. Your assumption that homework must be typed is wrong. Accept handwritten homework. Problem solved.

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    I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
  165. Go Fund Me by labradore · · Score: 1

    My wife is a teacher. She uses this at least once a year.

    So far, she's used it to buy a a bunch of building blocks, books, a few bean bags, iPad reading and math apps and a few devices for non-verbal kids to learn to communicate.

    It's pretty amazing how much people will contribute to helping kids learn. I suspect if you did it thoughtfully, you could get the $170 chromebooks for every kid in your class (or school) who can't afford one.

  166. Re:What The Actual Fuck? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    A 17" CRT would cost $20 a year in electricity to run if you use it 2 hours a day.

  167. The problem is the cost of internet by zelbinion · · Score: 1

    As others have pointed out, you might be able to source a cheap computer or even an android stick, but the problem is that if a family can't afford a computer, they also probably can't afford an internet connection. There are still some free options, like juno/netzero, who have plans that give you 10 hours per month (which is enough to email assignments, and watch a few short videos, but little else.) However, these are dial-up services, which means you need a phone line. These days, I'm guessing that most low income families have a cell phone (lots of cheap options there, like Virgin Mobile or Net10 or T-Mobile, with a plan that has a little bit of voice/text and little or no data) and no land-line. There is freedompop, which offers 500GB/month on a free plan, but then you need a device to take advantage of the service (they use the Sprint network) so you'd need a cell phone or a mobile hot spot, and even used, you already well over the $20 limit before you have even purchased a computer. Also, the way freedompop works, they will want to charge you for more data when you get within 100GB of your limit, so they require a credit card to sign up. You can turn off auto-updates so that when you hit 500GB the service simply turns off, rather than charging you, but as the instructor, you might have to put in your own credit card, as you can't assume a low income family has or would be willing to sign up for something like that.

    Another option might be to structure the class so that students can type up assignments at home, and then bring in the files on a USB stick or something and print them out or you can copy them when they come to class. This removes the need for an internet connection at home, but now you need something that can easily interact with a USB stick, so that eliminates most cheap tablets and some android sticks.

    As far as sourcing cheap computers, you could look into something like freegeek (or something similar in your area, if it exists.) Freegeek is an organization that allows donations of computer equipment and then will teach people how to rebuild a computer from parts. Once you've built the computer, you get to keep it. The 'cost' is the volunteer time. I is probably too much to ask the kids to volunteer themselves, but if there is a similar organization in your area, you could volunteer yourself and collect computers for free that way, or set up a similar program at your school, and get the more affluent families to donate equipment to the school, and then have kids volunteer to rebuild them (with linux, to avoid licensing issues.) However, this is an entire program that requires storage space, management, time, etc. So, that might not be a good option.

    Honestly, as other people have mentioned, you might just need to deal with allowing kids (any kid, not just the low income ones) to write their assignments on paper. If your school has a computer lab, you could take class time to allow kids to type up some assignments just so they get some exposure to using a computer and a word processor, but making it a requirement for everyone all the time is just going to disadvantage kids that already have the deck stacked against them.

  168. Winbook tablet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    7 inch is like 50 bucks. Runs full windows and has full size USB port. Comes with 1 yr office 365.

  169. Re: tricks: Vaccum, wash the keboard, load linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please used compressed air to get the dust out. Never vacuum inside a computer. Static can easily kill the machine.

  170. This makes no sense by undefinedreference · · Score: 1

    Unless they are literally in abject poverty and/or homeless, I can't fathom even $300 being a huge deal for anyone financially able to raise a child. There's no way a parent couldn't kick back a few less beers or smoke a couple fewer packs so they could afford a decent computer. We're not talking the third world where people get by on lard and beans here; these are people that drive cars and probably spend money on vices.

    I grew up in, by American standards, abject poverty. My parents owned an unreliable 20+ year old car that was given to them. Gas was so expensive that riding in a car was an exciting luxury to me. My clothing had patches and my siblings would be wearing those clothes when I outgrew them. We're talking so poor that I got free school lunches and ate government cheese. I still had a pocket calculator.

    Now, let's get real: If you can't cobble together a computer out of 5+ year old parts for somewhere between cheap and free, you're way too picky. I guarantee every one of you either sells all their old tech or has some working old computers in your closet gathering dust. A quick search of ebay turns up decent workable tablets/netbooks for under $20. Full laptops for under $40. We're talking pocket calculator money here, less than I spend on a cheap dinner out, less than a single trip to the movies for two, less than it costs to fill my car with gas, less than buying a latte every day for a week. How do you even afford to have children if you can't afford a computer? What happens to these children that grow up in a home and world without technology? There's simply no excuse.

  171. Refurbished laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do these meet your criteria. http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=34-319-525

    1. Re: Refurbished laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lenovo laptops for under 100 dollars.

  172. Re: Just give-up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you an example of a non-Republican? Do all members of whichever political grouping you'd class yourself under sound as mentally ill as you do?

  173. Winbook by unixisc · · Score: 2

    I have a top of the line Winbook - 2GB/32GB upgraded to Windows 10 - and that cost me $100. If the student doesn't need Windows 10 and can do w/ Windows 8, s/he could use a 1GB/16GB equivalent for $80. I doubt one would get much cheaper than that.

    If one has access to a discarded USB or bluetooth keyboard and mouse, then one effectively has a PC, which could do the work. Assuming that the software one needs - Office, et al - is already there. If you're talking about budgets, it's rather ridiculous to think about HDMI screens - anyone who can afford an HDMI TV can just as easily afford a $250 laptop, which is what I bought recently for work purposes.

    I think this solution is simpler than the submitter makes it out to be

  174. Lumia 635 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Currently it's $40 on Amazon. It has BlueTooth so it could connect to a keyboard.

    It also has wireless Screen Projection technology, but I don't know if students will have that. (I'm pretty sure I don't have anything that works with it).

  175. Some Options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Cheapest option: Pen and paper to draft and write and then type it up somewhere on a free computer (e.g at school or a library)
    2. Cheap Tablet e.g a 9" Android tablet can be had delivered for $32 from ebay. Get a bluetooth keyboard with it. Type wherever and then use cloud storage (e.g dropbox) or email to transfer files. There's free wifi to be had in a few locations.
    3. Cheap PC desktop/laptop from ebay. Can be had for probably around $50 Install a lightweight linux on there (e.g lubuntu) and it would do the trick.
    4. Get the school to buy a few cheap laptops and loan them to students
    5. Partner with computer user groups or recycling groups or things like freecycle to get free computers. Here are some starting points: PCs for people Project reboot

  176. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  177. HP Stream 11 laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They run full Windows 8.1, although they have limited expansion. Same price as a Chromebook, but running Windows.

  178. library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Flash drives for their files. Help them setup a gmail account if they need email.
    Have them go to the computer lab or their public library if they can't afford 150 dollars for a chromebook.

  179. $20 is madness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the cost of a student book, and those are sold in the millions and cost virtually nothing to produce. Go figure.

  180. in California, what you're doing would be illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This...

    The school must provide all materials and facilities needed to complete the assignments. Right there in the California constitution about *free* education. No "bring a pencil from home". The exception is for materials used in a class that produces something you can take home (e.g. sewing, ceramics, wood shop, but not art, science, etc.)

    There cannot be any means testing for rebates/scholarships either.

    So, what *you* need to do as a teacher is figure out how to teach without requiring typed essays, online resources, etc., unless you are providing the resource, during school hours. You can't say "go do this after school at the school resource center" (if it's even open.. it wasn't at my kids' school). Teachers have been doing this for millenia, particularly for language arts, so it's not impossible.

    I suspect this is because you said it is your "second career". If teaching had been your first, you probably would have been aware of all this, having gone through student teaching, etc.

    Of course, maybe you're teaching at an exclusive private school. In which case the answer is obvious.

  181. seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this thread to be taken seriously.

  182. There IS a decent way to use a smartphone... by bscott · · Score: 1

    I have to mildly disagree with point 6 - it's maybe not QUITE $20, but you can assemble a few components which will make a decent Android phone into something resembling a desktop.

    First you need a Miracast dongle - they're available as low as $10-$15 on eBay, though the cheaper you go, the worse the performance can be (they all use the same chipset but some skimp on the antenna...). Second, get a microUSB OTG hub so you can plug in a commodity mouse and keyboard. Third, download Google Docs or get free MS-Office.

    Assembly: Plug Miracast into HDMI input of old monitor (or use $5 HDMI-DVI adapter). Plug peripherals into hub and hub into phone.

    And that's about it.

    I did a lot of product research on these components during the first half of this year, intending to turn it into a pocket-sized product with a custom case and everything, before dropping the project due to lack of time. So I've bought half a dozen kinds of dongle, as well as virtually every folding Bluetooth keyboard on the market (none worked well enough to be worth it for me) and about half the pocketsized Bluetooth mice, and I've done a lot of testing.

    Of course this depends a certain amount on the performance of your phone (Miracast does put a load on the CPU) and the availability of monitors and keyboards. But more and more offices are offering docking stations for roving/traveling employees' laptops, which was my intended target market.

    As for underprivileged students, my own kids use 4-5 year old desktop PCs my employer gives away for free and every time they get an upgrade, their old ones go to our school for the less-privileged. I just gave away a Core2Quad Dell with 4GB RAM and a 320gig HD, monitor, and color inkjet, with Windows 7 Pro. Because that's what my office was giving away LAST YEAR...

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  183. #6 is wrong. OTG+Keyboard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost any android phone you can add a standard keyboard with an OTG adaptor. Usb keyboard $5 or free. Try it.

  184. Re:How cheap is cheap? What needs to be done? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HP makes a stream 13 that with windows 10 is useable. I think I paid around 250 for one not long ago for my mother a portable PC. The only thing really bad about it is the keyboard/touchpad is some kind of software driven piece of crap from what I recall that would lose keystrokes. Well that and the 2GB of ram. Besides that, move to 3GB and make sure it runs linux well and it would be a good PC. (I didn't try it, since it looked iffy, and I could get windows 10 on it.)

    I jsut can't hardly believe HP screwed up something so basic as keyboard/touchpad design, but I suppose they saved a buck or two somewhere... Another issue is if you get in a bad state where the system is totally crashed you can't shut the power off. You literally have to wait for the battery to run out. I was in the middle of a bios update and it crashed at one point. Thankfully after the battery died I was able to start again, as the update hadn't really started.

    Still, there is no excuse for the power button not being connected directly to, well, power, in some manner that you can force a power down in a short amount of time...

    Another cheap, yet more useful option is something like an Intel Pentium 3.2GHz Aniverseray edition, + ram + motherboard. It's just a 2 core chip, but you can overclock it with some motherboards, since it is unlocked. Mine hit 4.4Ghz with no voltage changes whatsoever and with the usual frequency scaling it doesn't even consume much of any power, most of the time. I used an old case, and an old laptop hard drive. It made a nice snappy PC for daily use. It even can software only decode 1080p video.

  185. My recent experience with refurbishing by vthyng2478 · · Score: 1

    This post caught my attention because I am doing something very similar, trying to make old computers useful again. I received 3 older computers. (2004) Dell Dimension 4700, dual core, 1GB ram. (2002) Dell Dimension 4550, single core, 2GB ram. (2002) Gateway eSeries, single core, 512MB ram. Parts and prices I have been playing with: $99 Windows 10 OEM version (can't move it between computers once activated) $35 SSD 60GB $16 SATA 3 PCI card $15 1GB 6400 RAM Monitor / keyboard / Mouse donated I started with the newest computer. It already had a SATA 1 port built in. I picked up a SSD for $60 and have since found them for $35 (60GB). Installed Windows 10 OEM on the SSD. Performance was good enough to run a youtube video without jitter if you are not trying to do anything else in the background. Next I tried Linux Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on the SSD. Performance was nearly the same, perhaps slightly better. Next I got curious about the RAM speed. It had 1GB of PC2 3200. Kingston has memory that is twice as fast and compatible with this Dell for $15 each GB of ram, so I picked up 2 GB. Unfortunately trying out the faster ram also means putting the ram in 2 slots to make up a single bank, so it is not possible to know if the speed is making an improvement or having more ram (less swapping to disk). The ram made absolutely no difference in speed that I could see in my linux tests. I reinstalled Windows 10, this time on the old PATA drive that came with the system, and Windows ran pretty well. I think I'll stick with the SSD so the 10 year old drive doesn't die soon on who every I give this system to. The Dimension 4550 and eSeries I tried Ubuntu 14 on the SSD, with a SATA 3 card in these older systems, since they only had PATA built in to the mother board. Their CPUs were maxed out just looking at the performance monitor's graphic view of CPU utilization :/ I have not gotten any further with these yet, but plan to try earlier distros of ubuntu and others to see how linux was actually usable on computers 13 years ago. What are the basics needed? An office suite able to open MS Office docs (Office Libre can do that, perhaps not always perfectly, but it works in most cases) Can view youtube videos without stuttering Regular security patching Security patching. I simply refuse to hand someone a computer with Windows XP, or a Linux distro that is not committed to long term patching. My friend informs me that Windows 10 is 5 to 10% faster than Windows 7, so I am inclined to only consider Windows 10 and the more demanding Linux distros like Ubuntu 14.04 and 12.04 LTS. Internet. Yeah, that is pretty important, and I don't have a solution to that yet. Tether to your phone for temporary internet access? Although I agree that even $10 can be too much to spend each month for some of our community's families, I already have 2 families lined up for these computers who do have it in their home. Conclusions A computer from 2004 can work well for an 8th grader needing to look up information on wikipedia, watch youtube videos on Khan Academy, write documents in Office Libre, and email or print to PDF. Price to refurbish with windows is $165 to $180. Perhaps there are educational licenses that can be used instead to bring that cost down, and SSDs are getting cheaper very quickly. Price to refurbish with Linux is about $65 to $80. Stay away from single core old computers. Final comments There may be animations that can be disabled and unnecessary services to stop, to squeeze the memory requirements down to not needing to purchase faster or new ram. To help avoid malware from infecting a computer, consider Linux or making the windows user account not be an administrator privileges account.

  186. Just curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many of these poor families have an Xbox, Playstation or smart TV? They may have the tools and just not the knowledge to use them.

    Before all the "they're poor you dumbass!" responses think about how many people will drop $200 on a pair of Jordans but a $350 home PC is too expensive.

  187. basket nike free run femme homme pas cher by shenyucen · · Score: 1

    Womens Timberland companies especially its competitors and which the organizations have and contributes to the achievements of the stated goals or objectives. (Proctor, 2000) A weakness A weakness can be defined as any aspect of the company which may hinder the company from attaining its objectives or goals. Usually, it covers the Marketing is a wide are in the company and Nike has managed to take full advantage of it in as a world number one company in sports wear (Hampy 2006). Product This is an object or service that a company produces or manufactures particularly on large scale with precise amounts (Bakan, 2004). Nike has a large collection of products that it sells to the market, this include shoes, clothes and apparel used for sporting activities. The products cater for different sports like basketball, road running, tennis, soccer, athletics and many more others. Nike products are meant for men, women and children. The company is renowned for its hip hop culture and supplies urban fashions in terms of clothes. In order to improve its products quality, Nike together with Apple Inc. produced the Nike+ line of products that are able to monitor how a runner is performing through a radio device that is place in the shoes which is http://www.timberlandccc.uk/ then linked to the iPod nano. In doing this Nike is able to market its products and retain its market share (Hampy 2006).

  188. I am guessing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am guessing your a 1st year or 2nd year teacher. I have watched this process a lot of times. First off, if there were $20+ computers with the capabilities your looking for, the store shelves would be full of them. With a little work, you will get a ass load of computers of various usability from parent and community donations. You would be amazed how many computers are setting in closets because someone upgraded what they have. Also, there a "reglue" computer places all over. You should start looking around.
          Second thing, how are your students going to be assessed? Most state tests have the students hand write all their writing samples. The students will need to do some form of planning and pre-writing before they can make a finished sample. By the way, that is most likely the way your curriculum will say to teach them. Either way, watching a student get frustrated with hunt and peck typing and switch to watching YouTube videos will be disheartening. At the same time schools really don't teach keyboarding. Also, they have also stopped teaching cursive so they don't have efficient handwriting skills either.
            Once you set a student in front of a computer, they will write right off the cuff correcting as they go. The whole plan, pre-write, and write thing goes right out the window, because the backspace and delete keys are instant erasers. Soon as they discover cut-n-paste across the web you will get all sorts of fragmented paragraphs in all sorts of styles as they will freely plagiarize passages from the internet. Will spent tons of your time dealing with that. You will spend more time with that than the time spent grading handwritten work. Getting computer lab time for you students will be a complete waste of time. They will be working in pairs looking at the newest trends in footwear and whatever. Why would they write? They have their buddies with them.
            Your best option, is to teach them how to efficiently write off the cuff coherently. Accept material in any manner you can get it, because it will take all your time just to get them writing anything. That is, if you want them to be successful in the state assessments and how they would typically write in a job situation. It isn't the right way to write well, but it is what they are going to do.

  189. Get someone else to pay for it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Previous comments have highlighted that wifi is probably available at places even if you don't have broadband at home. At this point I think we've also concluded that buying parts for a desktop computer is neither cheaper nor really viable (bringing the computer to school? Not really...)

    Yes, we're back to the $170-$200 laptop. That's a lot of money for someone who doesn't have any, but it's a tiny fraction of what even a small company already pays for IT.

    Attempt to contact alumni of your high school, reach out to local colleges to get at their alumni networks, talk to local companies and get an article into your local paper. The simple message is that "for $200 you can give a student a vital resource for modern education".

  190. In my day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Are there any other options I'm not considering?"

    Typewriters still exist.

  191. Re: tricks: Vaccum, wash the keboard, load linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    try washing it with clean (better yet, distilled) water

    As soon as it touches the keyboard, it is guaranteed to no longer be distilled water, so save your money. If you're diligent, you disassemble the keyboard and don't wet the electronics. If you're more adventurous, just use tap water with a little dish washing detergent, and buy a new keyboard afterwards.

  192. Re: tricks: Vaccum, wash the keboard, load linux. by Luminous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Then installing Linux [...] will give them a modern, supported, OS with a good and easy to use word processor (Open Office) for free.

    OpenOffice is dead.
    LibreOffice is the better Office clone.
    (I don't understand why so many students torrent MSOffice when they could get LO legally for free.)

  193. Remix mini? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This project for a multitasking system derived from Android has recently been funded through kick starter and looks promising. I think they are expecting it to retail from $50 maybe less.

    Www.jide.com

  194. cheapest computer function by eduhealfoundation · · Score: 1

    the cheapest function computer may be uses as new technological giant in cheapest Nano Technology.

  195. Change your plans by Talsan · · Score: 1

    It's great that you're trying to find cheap options for those students, but to be honest, that's a side issue.

    The main issue is that you have what may be an unreasonable expectation about the resources available to these students. They don't have a computer at home, which means their family probably cannot afford to buy one, and even if they manage that, they may not be able to afford internet access. Before you make requirements for papers to be typed and submitted online, or assign materials that can only be viewed online, consider the following:

    1. Does the school have computers available before or after school, or during a free period (if the student has one)?
    2. Even if the computers are available, does the student rely on school buses that are scheduled too close to the start and end of the day for them to make use of the computers at school?
    3. If the public library has computers available, are they in good enough condition and do they have the necessary software for your assignments? Will they charge the students to print out their work? What are the hours of the library, and is public transportation good enough that students can reasonably be expected to get there (if you live in many parts of the country, don't bet on it!)

    Remember: these students are already at a huge disadvantage, and even though you' mean well by trying to find cheap options for them, it may not be good enough. But you are obligated to provide these students the same ability to succeed as the others, and that may well mean changing your plans. It may be more work for you, but if you're not up to it, quit now, otherwise you're just helping the system screw those children.

  196. Re: tricks: Vaccum, wash the keboard, load linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the keyboard is dirty or a little flakey, try washing it with clean (better yet, distilled) water and drying it thoroughly. As long as you don't power it while it's still moist, and don't use hot water or the heated drying cycle in a dishwaher, you won't corrode anything.

    If you have enough keyboards, just stick them in the dish washer. If you don't bother disassembling them, I'd guess the chance of getting an almost like new, perfectly working keyboard is better than 50%. If you disassemble them beforehand, chances are a lot better. In any case, waiting a week for the keyboard to dry out completely is a good idea, maybe use pressurized air or a hair drier set to cold to blow out residual water from under the switches. I haven't really tried that with cheap membrane keyboards, only Cherry MX ones.

  197. elephant in the room... by Kaitiff · · Score: 1

    I think we might be overlooking a couple of other issues here.. if these kids don't have a computer at home in this day and age... their parents might not WANT them to have one. I know some 'impoverished' folks and although they might shop at goodwill for clothes and eat off of subsidized cards in the generic aisle, the one thing they ALL have is a computer. AND a relatively powerful smart phone. There are certain 'luxuries' in the US that have literally become ubiquitous. If someone doesn't have a computer or easy access to one, there's very possibly another reason than money.
     

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  198. Pointless: Cheaper than $170 is NOT required by fygment · · Score: 1

    $170 for _middle-class_ students?

    That's how many S*bucks coffees or pairs of jeans? Yeah, $170 is chump change so the real reason they don't use the computers is not because they don't have one or can't afford one, it's because they don't want to do the work. Nothing cheaper computers can do about that.

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  199. Anroid Sticks? by Vitus+Wagner · · Score: 1

    There is free app Linux Deploy on the Google Play, which installs Linux into chroot on android device, and allow it to be accessed with VNC protocol. Combine it with some VNC player android (preferrable one which handles physical keyboard well) and you'll easily get ubuntu or Debian on android stick. nd no problem with proprietary video drivers and so on, because hardware would be handled by Android.

  200. Los Angeles free iPad scandal by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Vendor mark up and kickbacks was $1857 per IPad. Furthermore there was a high damage rate because kids didnt treat free stuff well. http://www.npr.org/sections/ed...

  201. build-your-own stuff liability lawsuits by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Get electrocuted or stabbed by screw driver and a late-night TV lawyer would be on the teachers or school system's ass immediately. This would be a far more expensive solution than anything pre-assembled new or used. Have you seen how politically correct and litigous public schools are?

  202. Refurbished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The school can buy refurbished units (www.TKOEDucation.com) and give them to the kids (called a 1-to-1).

    You're still faced with the issue of Internet access. ComCast has free or low-cost Internet through a deal they arranged after buying another entity, but that's not available throughout the country.

    About $150 is the least expensive good quality notebook computer that you'll find. Anything cheaper and it will be in very poor condition.

  203. Can't get much cheaper than $89.00 by helios17 · · Score: 1

    Jason Spisak, producer and voice actor for some top-end video games; formed a non profit to provide inexpensive computers to students needing one. It won't run Crysis or Call of Duty et al but it does nicely for younger students who don't require video editing power. Made from a recycled plastic and using recycled computer parts, Jason's effort, SymplePC; provides inexpensive computers while addressing the mess of electronic waste, at least here in the US. The going price for these machines is $89.00. Jason donated 12 of his SymplePCs to my organization, Reglue.org; which is basically in the same business. My organization places the rebuilt computers. Our computers are repaired from donated machines from the enterprise as well as individuals. We have already placed all 12 machines donated by Jason and the reviews are in and they are all positive. It gets even better when SymplePC guarantees their machines for life. Some critics have emailed me, stating that these machines are too difficult to learn because they come with Ubuntu pre-installed. But I can help with that as well. If you are having trouble using an Ubuntu computer, please contact me. I have hundreds of 12 year old kids that would be glad to tutor you. Their prices are pretty cheap as well. The Var Guy explains all here

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  204. Cheap by HonestAbeHuxley · · Score: 1

    The one at the library

  205. check some community resources by cevioux · · Score: 1

    Check with your local community college or CS department at a Regional University. They are usually bound to strict asset disposal rules but often they can transfer assets they are retiring to public schools or sell them in auction. When we auction old PCs they usually go for $20 to $50. Some of our faculty or staff members buy ours and donate them to needy organizations or even students. Linux with Open Office installs pretty seamlessly and you would be surprised how efficient an old PC can be in the hands of some of these youngsters.

  206. Raspberry Pi 2 by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    I can only recommend the Raspberry Pi 2. It costs 35$, has a quad core ARM processor, 512 MB, and runs Raspbian quite nicely. Install LibreOffice for any document work. It needs a display that can work with HDMI (TV or a DVI monitor, HDMI-DVI adapter cables are fairly cheap), a USB mouse and keyboard. Ask on Freecycle for USB mice/keyboards, or buy them online in bulk from computer recyclers for cheap. The Pi 2 has 4 USB ports and an Ethernet port, it also has a composite video and stereo audio output. Plus, it comes with programmable I/O pins that can be used for all kinds of other subjects. You also need a microSD card which based on size and speed will vary in cost. A 4GB card might be enough, bigger is better. And you need a micro USB power adapter, ask at a cell phone store if they have a few extras that they are willing to donate or give for cheap. So, yes, the 35$ price tag is a bit misleading because you need to obtain a bunch of other stuff, but it will overall clock in way less than 170$ for a craptastic laptop. Alternatively, look into any one of the 99$ Android tablets. I have one that has a USB port that can run with a small USB hub for mouse and keyboard. Has wireless built in and comes with a display...although it is rather small for any extensive writing work. Might find one that also has an HDMI out so that it can be connected to a TV or monitor.

  207. Why typed? by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Why do papers need to be typed?? Students can write them by hand and as long as you can read it that is all that is necessary. You make your students life only more difficult by demanding typed papers that need to be submitted online. Focus on teaching and learning, not a rigid process. Look at the many generations before us, they wrote on slate tablets, only more recently on paper. Look how well they have done and what they accomplished! Don't get me wrong, I do not advocate against using computers and I agree that being computer literate is an essential skill that is needed. I object only to have that be a non-negotiable requirement for English class. In fact, the sole reason why you have to turn to /. is this unnecessary requirement of typing papers and submitting it online. Remove that and you do not have to find cheap computers for your students. Take a look at the series of Michael Clay Thompson. His material is absolutely excellent. Both my sons learned the ins and outs of the English language using his books. He is also able to explain English grammar in five minutes. And no, he does not need a computer for that. Lastly, as expressed in my other posts, the Pi 2 will be an excellent option. Anything else is either noticeably more expensive or comes with more restrictions. The Pi was designed for use in schools, primarily to teach programming, but it is a fully featured computer and comes with the same requirements for additional hardware as any other desktop PC. Find a local corporate sponsor and make a huge PR deal out of this. "Big Bob's mattress store helps students in need!" "Johnny's Used Cars does not only move people, but also knowledge." "Sheena's Computer Box helps closing the digital divide!" And get the local paper and radio station in on the action, have them facilitate a donat-a-thon, sponsor one Pi 2 kit for a student and get entered to win tickets for some concert or whatever the papers and radio stations raffle off almost every day. And pick up on this being an excellent teaching opportunity, make it a student project for extra credit, have students figure out the best way to get the funds needed.

  208. GSA/DoD Surplus by smsiebe · · Score: 1

    Look into existing federal (GSA/DoD) and state level programs which provide surplus technology to schools. These programs aren't just for getting military-grade hardware to rural police forces, they can actually be used for the benefit of the public as well. For added bonus, create/participate in a student-run club which discovers, writes, and submits grant requests for student/school needs like this.
    To get you started:
    GSA Eligibility Info: http://www.gsa.gov/portal/cont...
    Find your State Agencies for Surplus Properties: http://www.gsa.gov/portal/cont...
    DoD Defense Logistics Agency: http://www.dispositionservices...

  209. Re: tricks: Vaccum, wash the keboard, load linux. by rpstrong · · Score: 1

    Tried it myself; blew out a $350 Dyson.

  210. Check your assumptions by anyGould · · Score: 1

    You have an incompatibility in your premise.

    You know that your students are going to have difficulty getting a computer (and several of your cheaper suggestions ignore the need for a monitor and keyboard and mouse, so that laptop is likely the bottom end for someone starting from scratch). But you're requiring all your assignments to be typed and emailed.

    So, my hopefully armor-piercing question to you is - are you teaching English or Computer Studies? If the latter, then the 10-15% are just SOL. If the former, you should be making an allowance for hard copy submissions (for folks without email, or who perhaps have an old typewriter they can use - don't laugh, they still exist!), or for handwritten submissions. It wasn't that many years ago when you weren't allowed to type up your essays, after all - made it too easy to use the computer spellcheck instead of learning to spell yourself.

  211. Contact your local Jaycees by MercTech · · Score: 1

    The Raspberry Pi option would become viable if it could be sold to your local Jaycee chapter as a study in manufacturing for a Jr. Jaycee project.
        Assembly of raspberry pi units and loading a viable OS with Open Office and selling as a low cost word processing, spreadsheet, email machine would be a great study in manufacturing and sales. And, provide a cheap source for a basic use computing machine for your students.

        What I heard in the original post was a need for submitting work in an electronic format and the ability to pull information off the world wide web. Free wifi at libraries and at school could fill that niche. I'm thinking of the gaggle of middle school students at my local coffee shop working on homework and annoying the adults with the giggling.

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  212. Pi or charity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One option would be looking for a charity that focuses on such issues. I know of a small charity called Kids Without Computers in New Hampshire. It's a very small charity run primarily in one guy's spare time, but you can look for something along those lines or even start your own. I'd start by going to every college, school, and medium to large business in your area, explaining your situation, and seeing if they are in the process of decommissioning any computers. You may need to buy a new hard drive if they have a decent data security policy, but at ~$10 a piece for a refurb HD, that shouldn't be an issue. As far as new computers, a Raspberry Pi is probably the cheapest you are going to find. The kits at $70 are probably the best solution, but you could probably bring that down a bit with some footwork on sourcing a cheaper power supply and flash card for it, but the money you would save probably wouldn't be worth the extra work. On thing you forgot in that figure though was input devices. While you can probably scrounge old keyboards and mice (they often outlast computers), you may end up having to shell out another $10 for them.

    Internet may be an issue too, but if you are lending a raspberry pi, you could simply collect the device back and check the work in situ, or have a place where they could upload the stuff in class.

  213. Could Content Be Provided? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So i'm assuming something like wikipedia would be a resource you would want them to have....

    You could possible download those and provide them on media ... depending on what subset they might need... Storage size is determined by your subset.
    An option
    http://www.rene-pickhardt.de/how-to-download-wikipedia/

    Then you said video ... I'm going to make an assumption of YouTube i think most other repositories have some method to do this but again you can down load it for them ...
    An option
    https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/

    If you preload it on the computers for them given a laptop for 35 bucks near me has 80 GB hard drive..

    So it would depend if your trying to have them watch say hamlet which at 480p from youtube at ~21gb would take up a quarter of that 80 gb drive...
    https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853702?hl=en
    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8931200/video-bitrate-and-file-size-calculation

    So i think the devil is in the details and how bad you want to make the playing field ... "level?"

  214. Reglue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ken Starks runs a program called Reglue in Austin TX for just this reason. Its very possible such a reason. Now its very likely the OP is not in that area however, Ken isn't the only one running such a program and if OP does some research he may find a similar program in his area. Kids get free computers and internet access so that they can do their school work. There are some stipulations and such to ensure that the system is used for what it is intended for. Sadly family background checks and interviews etc. In the end Ken runs a highly successful charity and I know he's not the only one.

  215. Refurbs... by jazzdude00021 · · Score: 1

    In Minnesota, we have a great program called Minnesota Computers for Schools. Businesses donate their old hardware to the program. The program wipes or shreds the HDs. After that they are sent to a correctional facility for the rest of the refurb and imaging work (teaching inmates valuable IT skills for when they get out). These computers are then put up for sale to schools and other educational institutions on the cheap. I'm talking $300 for an i5/i7 laptop with 4GB and reasonable HD, more than enough for an average high schooler. They have cheaper options as well, down in the Chromebook price range.

    Check around and see if your area offers such programs. Heck, even see if you can arrange for a business to donate some old kit. They get a tax break and lots of goodwill in the process, and their savings on recycle fees help make up for their IT person's time in reimaging the laptops.

  216. Raspberry pi wouldn't cut it by Flymo2 · · Score: 1

    Even a B+ can't render Web pages for mainstream sites fast enough. Would that this were not the case, but it can't, I've tried - at least Raspbian and Ubuntu Mate

  217. MUST b typed? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    Must??

    Justfy that.

    You're not doing a course in programming ... no, scratch that, my first computing course none of the students or teacher or school had a computer. There wasn't one in the town's Further Education College either. It was all done by mailing (snail, not e-mail) the coding forms to the computer centre and getting paper tape result back a week or two later.

    So, what possible reason do you have for not accepting manuscript?

    Do you also refuse to accept Braille scripts?

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  218. Share the WiFi of a neighbor by KayakFun · · Score: 1

    Ask the WiFi password of a neighbor, and then agree on a time he will not mind large downloads, for instance 09:00-17:00 or 23:00-08:00.

    Offer something valuable in return that does not cost money like bringing old paper or glass bottles to the recycling center every week, or mowing the lawn.

  219. Cheaper Pi by morgauxo · · Score: 1

    Why does a Raspberry Pi have to be $70?

    You need to buy a power supply? Almost every cellphone uses a 5V wall wart as the charger. Repurpose one of those!

    You need to buy a case? No you don't! Kids enjoy simple woodworking projects. Make a wooden case. No skills, tools or still to expensive? Just cut some holes for wires in a cardboard box. Maybe even the box the Pi came in! You shouldn't be demanding pretty when you come asking for cheap! Just stick to functional and you will be ok.

    Peripherals? Well.. I assume the display is the family TV. Otherwise I don't even know how you got it down to $70! Hand me downs.. thrift shops... garage sales... worst case just go ask around local businesses. I bet many of them have closets they would be happy to free up some space in!

    Still too expensive? You could save a few bucks and go with an Orange Pi! http://www.orangepi.org/

  220. Re: tricks: Vaccum, wash the keboard, load linux. by samwichse · · Score: 1

    Every vacuum I've seen is belt driven with plastic casing, making it a basic Van der Graaf generator.