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Grady Martin writes: I got a new job. Everything about it is perfect, except for one thing: The overwhelming majority of affordable housing within driving distance lies in an area known for its high crime rate. A home security system would afford some peace of mind, and a system whose code I could tinker with would afford even more. What Linux-based options are available? What experience do you have with such systems?

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  1. Needs to be Linux? by alvieboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > "lies in an area known for its high crime rate. A home security system would afford some peace of mind"

    Don't know if any runs Linux (and I sincerly doubt it), but perhaps getting a Doggie would help. For sure, you'll get a few false positives, but overall it's the best security you can get. :)

    And yes, they bark really loud.

    Alvie

    1. Re: Needs to be Linux? by TheMeuge · · Score: 2

      It's a terrible idea to live in a bad area, generally I would prefer to commute further.
      In terms of getting a home security system, get one that works. If you want an independent surveillance system use Synology, but make sure the NAS is located in the party of the house that won't be searched for valuables such as an entry hallway closet. However, in home security I'm not sure DYI is a wise route.

    2. Re: Needs to be Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Zoneminder

    3. Re:Needs to be Linux? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You opted for the most expensive and high maintenance choice, and also one that has the potential to ruin reputations with people in the area, a reputation which may in itself be a good defense.

      Funny story: I got a visit from the police while breaking into my own house. I dyed my hair fluro green (for a charity event) and look like a punk. My neighbour saw me climb to an open window and called the cops.

    4. Re:Needs to be Linux? by alvieboy · · Score: 2

      > My neighbour saw me climb to an open window and called the cops.

      Your dog would have recognised you.

      Yes, you're right regarding the overall cost and maintenance. But a Doggie is also your friend, cheers you whenever you get home, misses you whenever you leave.

      This is priceless.

    5. Re:Needs to be Linux? by Luthair · · Score: 3, Funny

      collar $5

      bag of kibble $20

      picking up poop for 15-years, priceless

    6. Re:Needs to be Linux? by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Haven't you been reading the LKML? There is a bug in the 3.x kernel code that makes booting Linux on dogs fail, and Linus dropped support.

      I personally would go for a security Badger, preferably a dead one so as not to have to feed it. The old install method found here can still be adapted to a modern kernel and userland with a few easy compiles, with several open source drivers available for modern networking hardware as well.

      Badgers are also much more vicious than non specialized dogs.

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    7. Re: Needs to be Linux? by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      > It's a terrible idea to live in a bad area, generally I would prefer to commute further.

      Incorrect, because it often means property values will make the largest climb once young professionals move in for the shorter commute and price out the poor people from the neighborhood. I can think of a few places where houses going for 250k when I was a kid are 1.2m now, and guess what....when I was a kid, they were known for being a bit more crime but nice locations for commutes.

      Lol now they are being buried into the city and new areas to the outside will have the nice commutes and.....the cycle continues.

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    8. Re:Needs to be Linux? by StarKruzr · · Score: 1

      It is a crime that this has not been modded up yet.

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    9. Re:Needs to be Linux? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      getting up every morning, getting dressed to walk the dog. rain or snow or heat, you have to do it. often twice a day.

      little freedom to stay out late or travel.

      things get chewed and broken at home.

      there is the house-breaking time at the start.

      pet doctor bills. pet food (stuff is heavy, too).

      I like dogs but its definitely not a solution for everyone!

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    10. Re:Needs to be Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only thing that works in a high crime area is big teeth. A pair of Alsation dogs is best. One dog can be poisoned too easily.

      An alarm system only works if the police will respond to it within a few minutes and the reason why an area has high crime, is because the police doesn't care, so good luck with that.

    11. Re: Needs to be Linux? by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      Poor A/C, I'm told one shouldn't self medicate. High Crime means, a lot of crime seems to happen in a certain area. So if one were to consider a security system, then one is paying to watch the bad guys jack their new gear, in real time. I would suggest a hidden high resolution with a whole lot of frames per second that transmits to a cloud service so that at least you know who jacked your gear when you report this repeat event to the police.

      Be smart and don't put a sign on your door that basically states, "expensive security gear inside." It may work for intel, it will definitely not work for you.

    12. Re:Needs to be Linux? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Get a pet Anaconda? With a big enough one you could name it Jeffrey Dahmer and wait for locals to "visit" your pad. And if the snake gets a little thin, then put a sign on your door that says, "Danger! State of the Art Security inside."

    13. Re:Needs to be Linux? by LifesABeach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Caution, big teeth there exists monotonically increasing big poop.

    14. Re: Needs to be Linux? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      In terms of getting a home security system, get one that works.

      Yeah... Step 1. A good solid alarm panel such as a Vista 20P. With dual-path reporting minimum: smoke detectors in every bedroom plus one additional per floor hallway, wired sensors for every perimeter door and window, glass break sensors for every window: motion sensors covering major walkways, and high-value areas. Dense sensor coverage over the room/access corridor near the security and communications panels as well.

      make sure the NAS is located in the party of the house that won't be searched for valuables such as an entry hallway closet.

      Yeah... The control panels for monitored alarm and security cameras should also ideally be at opposite ends of the building; communications and internet connectivity should be in a third place, so attempting to tamper with all 3 systems would be time-consuming.

      Make sure to use a NAS that can be mounted in an enclosure and locked. All security and comms enclosures should be out of sight, and the enclosure should either be flush mounted, or hidden pretty well with no wires going out into the room.

      The best location for the NAS, or a continuous backup of the NAS might be in a nearby building.

      The next best place for your NAS is probably in a locked flush-mounted cabinet near the floor of a closet.

      Another option would be a steel enclosure bolted to the floor with concrete anchors.

    15. Re: Needs to be Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      he is 200% correct. or do you have information on high crime mostly white neighborhoods?

      Blacks make up 90% of the bottom 5% of income. They are poor as fuck, and uneducated as fuck. rich white cracker moves in, guess what is gonna happen.

      When black families get good jobs and education, they don't live in the hoods, they live near the white crackers. This is a complete undisputed and proven fact. I don't see 50cent living in compton. He lives with whities because he doesn't want to be robbed.

    16. Re:Needs to be Linux? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, a badger is easy to deal with, you just rub their belly until they stop eating your fingers.
      What you want is a moose.
      A moose once bit my sister...
      There is nothing worse than a moose running "Malevolent Moose"!
      Note that you will need to put about two feet of water in your living room so move your electrical outlets accordingly.
      While you don't have to walk a moose, you do have to get the hell out of the way once in a while...
      It's kind of like living with a pissed off Volkswagen.

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    17. Re:Needs to be Linux? by chipschap · · Score: 1

      Maybe so, but I've read studies that say a large dog is the single most effective protection factor.

    18. Re:Needs to be Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Suddenly the burglars found themselves looking down the barrel of Andy's Dobie-o-Matic."

    19. Re:Needs to be Linux? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And if you're robbed while walking the dog? You rely on neighbours, which you can only do if they don't hate you. Point is get a dog because you like dogs, don't get a dog as a security system.

    20. Re:Needs to be Linux? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      You opted for the most expensive and high maintenance choice, and also one that has the potential to ruin reputations with people in the area, a reputation which may in itself be a good defense.

      He got an Ashley Madison account?

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    21. Re: Needs to be Linux? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      he is 200% correct. or do you have information on high crime mostly white neighborhoods?

      There are high crime areas in black, hispanic, and yes, lily white Scotch Irish only neighborhoods. And more of those whites only than you would ever believe.

      And the white ones will bust a cap in your ass for your antihistamines they need to make meth. Much easier than smurfing for it.

      Seriously, if you want to look like a racist jackass unencumbered by the thought process, you are doing very very well.

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    22. Re: Needs to be Linux? by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      People like you are the reason it's a good idea to live in a bad area.

      I grew up in such a neighborhood in Detroit. Nobody died. Nobody got physically hurt. Break-ins were a problem, and there was an armed robbery spree; but in general the local criminals would go out of their way not to physically hurt us because doing so would bring the cops in like avenging angels. The House went from under $10k when my parents bought it in 1980 or so to $80k when they sold it, whereas every house my stepmom owns, who insists on living in totally safe neighborhoods with huge McMansion-style houses, has been sold at a loss.

      The issues with high-crime areas aren't the crime itself, it's the insurance costs (especially auto insurance in Michigan), and the property taxes (property tax in Detroit is always higher then your mortgage payment).

    23. Re: Needs to be Linux? by swalve · · Score: 1

      It would be cheaper and more effective to hire a security guard at that point.

    24. Re: Needs to be Linux? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      It would be cheaper and more effective to hire a security guard at that point.

      That's total nonsense, or you have no clue how much legally hiring a security guard actually costs. You're talking less than $100 worth in extra materials to physically secure and conceal your hardware. The overall installation of cameras and a good security system is less than $10k, even after you add physical hardening, fencing, a pet dog, and add some additional layers of protection and defense.

      For a security guard; you're talking bare minimum $10 an hour 300 hours a month = $40,000 a year.

      Also, security guards are fallible and sometimes fail to show up or don't do their job properly, so they need to be managed as well, and you might have an incident you aren't alerted to.

      You also have liability to be concerned about should the guard be injured --- better hire someone who is insured and bonded.

      P.S. A security guard is no replacement for a security system. Nor should you consider hiring additional guard support before you have completed the other lines of defense included adding alarms, cameras, and physical controls.

    25. Re:Needs to be Linux? by Bucaro17 · · Score: 1

      Security badger don't give a dam. Get a security beaver instead.

    26. Re:Needs to be Linux? by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      There is a bug in the 3.x kernel code that makes booting Linux on dogs fail

      The Beaglebone not withstanding, of course.

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    27. Re:Needs to be Linux? by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      You don't need to walk a dog. Just arrange an area around your home where he can freely move. The only problem is when the perimeter is broken and the dog visits all bitches around.

    28. Re:Needs to be Linux? by kamathln · · Score: 1

      > "...Doggie would help. ...

      And yes, they bark really loud.

      Alvie

      Not at all an expert in this field, but I think your post leads to a good idea. And the following is a braindump of my ideas.
      If you are really bent on doing custom Linux based stuff, use your power of customization.
      Instead of a standard siren sound, add fake Dog barks, Police sirens, etc. and place speakers strategically for best realistic effect.
      Make sure the recording(and playback) is in stereo and is long enough that it convinces the miscreants it is a real dog/siren.

      Add triggers to fake police car flashing lights in strategic places.
      Also add a trigger to call *your* cellphone.
      Depending on the type of neighborhood, also add fake gunshot sounds?

      Think psychology and plan first. Plan technology next.
      Add timers and fake the lights, fake television sound/ vacuum sound in the house if you are away to make them feel someone is still at home.

      Add fake cameras in visible areas complete with fake wiring and red "active" LED. Keep the real cameras hidden. If you are a total DIY type, trigger the door and windows to automatically close and lock back after 40 seconds. I know it is silly, but the scare it gives them will be worth it? Psychology expert advice needed on that.

      Add weight sensors below your matting. This could trigger the cameras immediately and send you the photo over whatsapp/hangout/custom app, etc.

      Minimum 2 of everything:

      2 different controllers cum DVRs located in 2 different places in the house, connected to 2 different cloud services. through 2 different ISP of which 1 is wired the other wireless 3g/4g Internet connection. Both must have battery backup.

    29. Re: Needs to be Linux? by damnitalready · · Score: 1

      "I grew up in such a neighborhood in Detroit. Nobody died. Nobody got physically hurt. Break-ins were a problem, and there was an armed robbery spree; but in general the local criminals would go out of their way not to physically hurt us because doing so would bring the cops in like avenging angels." And you were ok with this? You're ok with people taking your stuff? You borderline sound like they were doing you a favor by not hurting you...

    30. Re:Needs to be Linux? by the_digitalmouse · · Score: 1

      getting up every morning, getting dressed to walk the dog. rain or snow or heat, you have to do it. often twice a day.

      little freedom to stay out late or travel.

      things get chewed and broken at home.

      there is the house-breaking time at the start.

      pet doctor bills. pet food (stuff is heavy, too).

      I like dogs but its definitely not a solution for everyone!

      Aside from travel restrictions (not everyone at holiday spots are dog-friendly), a Poodle is my recommended way to go. Historically very good guard dogs and hunting dogs, loyal to a fault, hearing and eyesight some of the best of the race, and (as I've done) trained to use a designated indoor toilet space so no external 5AM excursions into the cold or wet necessary. They do need regular exercise (1-2 hours minimum per day), but easy to train at many tasks compared to other popular guard dog options (sans German Shepard and Australian sheep dogs - these are the top 3 smartest breeds). Get a King Poodle for homes with yards, or a Standard Poodle for apartments. Even a Dwarf or Toy will work well, plus have the benefit of being easier to travel with on holidays (fits under the seat in airplanes). Avoid the Circus haircut and you'll have a fierce looking, lovable, family-oriented guard dag! :)

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  2. Ademco/Honeywell Vista Panels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The Honeywell Vista panels can be controlled / monitored using this add-on module http://www.amazon.com/NuTech-Software-Solutions-AD2USB-Adapter/dp/B0042BZ3U0

    Vista panels are great for wired installs but you can also add a wireless module for a hybrid system.

  3. ZoneMinder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.zoneminder.com/ - but best put the PC in a panic room, roofspace or other inaccessible area. And ship footage off site continuously.

    1. Re:ZoneMinder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      10 years ago, I assembled a crude Linux DVR using ZoneMinder. I kludged together Chinese video cards and various cameras. It was a neat and inexpensive system, and I enjoyed the project. But, it was crude, finicky and not very reliable which meant it required constant monitoring and care. But, for years, anything better or off the shelf would have cost thousands or tens of thousands of dollars.

      Today, you can buy an off the shelf 1080p DVR system with 8 night vision cameras(!) for under $1,000. These systems are fire and forget. They work flawlessly, have tons of features, and are very reliable.

      Meanwhile, Zoneminder hasn't changed much since 10 years ago. It's still a bodged together mess.

    2. Re:ZoneMinder by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Most of those systems are also horribly insecure... I bought a system with 4 night vision cameras, they all run linux and have a hard coded root password, as well as a directory traversal bug which lets you get any file from the filesystem (including /etc/passwd but also the file where the dvr software itself stores your admin password in plaintext)...
      Many of the ones i've seen also have extremely crude interfaces, requiring ie6 and activex...

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    3. Re:ZoneMinder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've had horrible luck with those DVRs, not recording, not rotating videos properly, recording all of the time even when on motion settings, failing to send alerts, being unable to use sort of modern browser (I had to keep an IE6 VM around to manage one). ZoneMinder I haven't bothered to look at for a couple of years but I agree about it being a mess the last time I did.

      I'm not sure if Bluecherry's DVR software is any better but it is Linux compatible. Ubiquiti isn't horrible and runs on linux, but does lock in to their cameras which prevents me from recommending it in most cases. Most DVRs I do now are either Milestone or BlueIris with a Windows 7 base.

      Synology, QNAP and several other NAS vendors actually do have a DVR system built in which may be sufficient for what is needed.

      Camera side Dahua and Hikvision make decent quality cameras on the cheap (their firmware interface is often horrible however) - ACTi is what I tend to use for higher end options (again interface on camera = horrible). Once you get them setup on your DVR (nvr) you shouldn't really need to get in to the camera interface again. I always put the cameras on their own private vlan with the NVR being dual homed so it can send out alerts and let you view cameras remotely.

    4. Re:ZoneMinder by swalve · · Score: 1

      Insecure? You are going to leave your security system exposed to the internet? Good for you.

  4. Just Don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Home security systems is a "problem" that has been completely solved in hardware. No DIY system, Linux or otherwise will compare in regards to available sensors, reliability, speed, battery backup, cellular backup, and more of a hardware panel. Many/most people want remote monitoring and thus pay for it. People ignore alarm sirens. What's the point of annoying your neighbors with noise while the crook takes his time packing your stuff into his van? You being on Slashdot means you'll want free, so I'll skip the subscription monitoring services.

    DSC makes rock solid and inexpensive hardware systems. If you want to roll you own monitoring/alerting DSC systems can be integrated with other stuff including your own crappy and broken Linux implementable. You can also integrate a DCS panel with a home automation system like Vera or openHAB.

    Home made security systems are not cost effective, reliable, effective, or worth the effort.

    1. Re:Just Don't by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Home security systems is a "problem" that has been completely solved in hardware. No DIY system, Linux or otherwise will compare in regards to available sensors, reliability, speed, battery backup, cellular backup, and more of a hardware panel.

      As someone who has installed dozens of different security systems, I agree wholeheartedly. DO NOT go with half-baked DIY system.

      Look for multi-zone systems by Moose, Ademco, Honeywell, or other security companies. I don't recommend wireless systems for multiple reasons- they can be jammed and the batteries go dead at the worst possible times. If you absolutely have to use wireless components, use the minimum possible and hard-wire the rest.

      Look for systems that have "home" and "away" modes.
      Mount the panel in a secured location (locked closet).
      Run the siren wires through metal pipe all the way to the siren (especially outside). Your alarm system will be useless if a $2 pair of wire cutters can be used to clip the siren wires.
      Mount the siren high up in an inaccessible location or cage it.

      There's a lot more to it than this, but don't go cheap, avoid wireless if possible, and get a solid, programmable system.

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    2. Re:Just Don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This, from a fellow AC no less, is the only correct answer and nothing else is a valid answer.

      I went through a similar thought process with maybe building a Z-wave based system, then realized I was a retard. They make alarm systems with _rigorous_ testing in a security setting. They are literally built for that purpose by people who know more than I do about it. Just buying a few Z-wave sensors and using my little home automation system isn't real security.

      The correct approach is to buy a good panel with IP access and integrate it with your other systems. I went with the DSC system, it has solid, reliable, _cheap_ wireless sensors. And I can buy an Envisalink to make it IP accessible for control and additional automation via Vera.

      Buy a real alarm panel, don't do some bullshit DIY junk.

    3. Re:Just Don't by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

      Absolutely agree. And get a professional to do the install.

      You are talking about a commodity system that has been done a gazillion times before. Pay a professional to come out, quote and install a system. Get your cameras in the right place, get your motion detectors in the right place, get your panels in the right place. And quite frankly pay your subscription to have your system monitored.

      I'm assuming you will be having house insurance, so consider it part of the insurance costs.

      Then most importantly, don't make your house an obvious target. If people can walk past your house and see your BMW in the driveway, your $85,000 Macbook in the lounge window and your wife's handbag on the table you are going to get burgled.

  5. Worry about everything else first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Moved to a high crime area a decade ago and to this day have only had one issue (car break-in after leaving stuff visible). No home security system, no guns. In general, pull your head our of your arse and pay attention to your surroundings. Don't walk around flashing you iPad that's connected to your home sec system. Don't have ear-buds in listening to the hipster mix of the day. Everyone of my neighbors that's had issues was either 1. dealing drugs or 2. walking around flashing electronics and ignoring the world around them. Meet your neighbors, be friendly, be engaged.

    1. Re:Worry about everything else first by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      here's a tip: if you have a nice car stereo (or even if its not nice but you tend to play it loud), lower the volume way down (or turn it off) as you START to approach your destination or parking area.

      what you have been doing is advertising to the locals that you have a nice radio inside. even if you don't.

      by remembering to turn it off before you even get close to the destination, you remove one thing that can cause you to come back to broken windows.

      similarly, don't work on your car audio system in open public areas (even your home, if its an apartment or condo complex). sadly, I did that once (nice area; usually safe) and the very next day, yup, broken windows in the car and my work was ruined. that was the last time I ever worked on my audio system in the common parking lot at my complex. sad that you can't even do such things anymore without 'bad eyes' seeing you do it, but that's the world we now live in.

      alright, one more car audio tip: consider hiding your real radio behind a fake factory face plate. I did that (have a stupid looking factory double din cassette radio face). took that factory radio, removed it, unscrewed the front, glued on the knobs and lcd display and made it look quite real again. but its a thin bezel and it fits snugly in the factory hole by friction; and the real unit is behind it, inset, and you simply remove the fake faceplace, put it on the center console (etc) and adjust your real radio during the drive. when at home, simply put the face back over the hole and no one's the wiser. for the past 10 years, I have not had any break-ins. there's no reason; all they see is a factory flush faceplace and no one is dumb enough to steal a factory double din cassette head unit anymore ;) stealth install was the key. SHOW NOTHING CUSTOM inside the car. give them no reason to give your car a 2nd look.

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    2. Re:Worry about everything else first by jonwil · · Score: 2

      A number of car audio systems that I have seen have removable face plates. Thief looks in, sees that the faceplate has been removed and will then realize the unit is worthless to resell and will move on.

    3. Re:Worry about everything else first by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      I remember the old removable faceplate radios. are they still common? I was under the impression that they were not all that great at deterring break-ins since MOST people did not carry the FP with them and left it in the glove box. I almost never carried mine when I had that style of head unit.

      I wish I could post a pic of my car, but that would defeat any notion of security ;) but just imagine a factory radio with its face 'sawed off' (neatly unscrewed, actually; was trivial once you realize that its a plastic bezel and the rest can be glued behind it) and a ledge behind it on all 4 sides so that you press-fit the fake face over a sort of frame. the only hard part is finding some small head unit or preamp that can be recess mounted behind the frame area. an old audiocontrol preamp was used in my install, and again, you'd never know since I put the face back on the console each time I park. its really not a big problem doing that.

      aftermarket radios do attract theives. but no theif in his right mind will spend effort breaking into a car that has an oem stock cassette player in it ;) they don't break my window, they just look, laugh, feel sorry for me and move on. FINE WITH ME!

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    4. Re:Worry about everything else first by TClevenger · · Score: 1

      A number of car audio systems that I have seen have removable face plates. Thief looks in, sees that the faceplate has been removed and will then realize the unit is worthless to resell and will move on.

      I had two faceplate-less car stereos stolen. Turns out that they know that most people leave the faceplate in the glovebox. Some other crims are too stupid to know that you can't just walk into a stereo shop and buy a replacement faceplate. (I was in a stereo shop for two hours and no fewer than three idiots came in with a bare stereo looking to buy a faceplate.)

  6. Get renters insurance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Perhaps some motion lights outside and security doors. Inventory all of your belongings so if any are stolen they can be identified easily. Also, if it was me I'd probably go the route of a service such as ADT. This may lower your insurance premiums but I am not sure. (where I live we can leave the doors unlocked and trust our neighbors)

    Congrats and good luck.

  7. IP cameras by transporter_ii · · Score: 1

    A lot of IP cameras will record on motion and store clips to an FTP server. How easy is it set up an FTP server on Linux. Pretty easy. You can even have the cameras email you on alerts. And of course, the IP cameras are running either Linux or a BSD, so not only is this setup easy to do, but meets your requirements almost all the way around.

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  8. Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why not a network of some raspberry Pi's outfitted with cameras and IR lights. One could even add a $8 usb sound dongle for sound detection. Couple that with either a WiFi or Cellular network, and instant home security.

    Could even add voice recognition "panic switch", something like "Linus, compile my kernel" which would call the police/911/999 with an automated message.

    Add a few cheap servo motors, and you can get pan/tilt cameras. Total cost of a camera, with servos, power supply, camera, raspi, about $60-$80. Still almost 2X cheaper than the crappy "ip cameras" dlink/linksys et al peddle.

    1. Re:Raspberry Pi by geoskd · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why not a network of some raspberry Pi's outfitted with cameras and IR lights. One could even add a $8 usb sound dongle for sound detection. Couple that with either a WiFi or Cellular network, and instant home security. Could even add voice recognition "panic switch", something like "Linus, compile my kernel" which would call the police/911/999 with an automated message. Add a few cheap servo motors, and you can get pan/tilt cameras. Total cost of a camera, with servos, power supply, camera, raspi, about $60-$80. Still almost 2X cheaper than the crappy "ip cameras" dlink/linksys et al peddle.

      Then add 1000 hours of labor to get it all working. The OP was looking for a *pre-existing* system that he could tinker with, not ideas for something he would build from scratch. Even at minimum wage, 1000 hours is $10,000. That'll buy one very spiffy security system.

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    2. Re:Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      1000 hours?

      I built mine in like under a few hours, as in less than 10, including time purchasing the components.

      Are you a MAC user? Do you need a plug and play system, with only one button and voice recognition?

    3. Re:Raspberry Pi by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      Even at minimum wage, 1000 hours is $10,000. That'll buy one very spiffy security system.

      Who is it that actually pays you for not working on a DIY alarm system? Do you expect the OP to get a second job just to pay off his commercial security system and to fill in the time that he would have otherwise spent tinkering with it?

      Surely the 1000 hours would be more likely be spent on something unprofitable like watching TV, playing video games, or posting on /.

    4. Re: Raspberry Pi by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Which is a lot more fun for most people than swearing at Linux while your home remains unprotected.

    5. Re:Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Did you read the post? or have Siri read it to you?

      Mine has:

      -Pan/Tilt Servos with motion tracking - Zoned
      -Sound detection - Zoned
      -Remote access with firewall
      -Cellular Modem backup in addition to WiFi/Wired and some bluetooth components
      -Battery Backup with battery monitoring
      -Email / SFTP Logs to secure off-site computers
      -Automated 911 contact with panic buttons
      -Glass break sensors
      -PIR motion sensors
      -Camera motion sensors
      -IR cutoff filters for cameras
      -Programmable lights, dimmable, with zones.

      -Time Spent: About 10-20 Hours in total.

      What I don't have:

      -Voice recognition - because it's useless
      -A monthly/yearly contract: becuase why spend money for nothing

      I'd market it, but then I'd have to support all kinds of id10t's and "tinkerers" who think they know better.

      ADT is the solution for them. A false sense of security, while ADT calls other numbers to report that fido/tiddles tripped the alarm again,and happily gives would be thieves the passwords and unlock codes.

    6. Re:Raspberry Pi by ottawanker · · Score: 1

      And you could start with the motionpie distribution for the Pi, which includes 'motion', a motion detection camera program, and a way to view multiple cameras on one page.

    7. Re:Raspberry Pi by phrackthat · · Score: 2

      Don't sell it - post your work on Instructables.com and let others benefit from your wisdom and ingenuity.

  9. No answer here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think OP sabotaged himself by giving Slashdot a context - one they could pull apart instead of answering his questions.

    "Hi Slashdot. I'm looking to install a home security system and wanted to know if any of you are familiar with Linux-based implementations. Thanks."

    Instead, now all you have is people telling you alternatives to security systems (commuting further, changing jobs, blah blah blah).

    Good luck with your new home/job.

    1. Re:No answer here by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      We think so far outside the box it's ridiculous.

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    2. Re:No answer here by Grady+Martin · · Score: 1

      Thanks! I'm actually grateful for the alternative viewpoints. I had considered most of them already, but one or two were new.

    3. Re:No answer here by Gryle · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Replying to undo the -1 mod I accidentally gave you.

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    4. Re:No answer here by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      We think so far outside the box that the parts for the project that were supposed to be in the box end up in somebody else's house on their workbench and then are incorporated into their projects instead.

  10. Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by holophrastic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're constantly checking your cameras and your feeds, and waiting for notifications of motion, that ain't peace of mind. Peace of mind is specifically the opposite -- i.e. not checking, not being notified, not being worried that every time you're underground or in an area of poor reception that someone is breaking into your home.

    Peace of mind is knowing that it's someone else's problem. That means that the alarm doesn't go to you, it goes to someone else, like an alarm monitoring company, and that they'll deal with the problem -- including calling you as much as it takes to reach you. That means you can leave, go on vacation, go to the movies, and not care.

    Especially considering that high crime rate is less of a problem when you aren't home -- because you aren't in any danger.

    Just put up entry contacts -- doors, windows, glass-breaks. Motion sensors are generally irrelevant if you have any ambulatory pets. Then let it be someone else's problems. Cameras fight insurance fraud, but do nothing in terms of security, unless you've got someone watching the feeds.

    And damn it, befriend your neighbours, ensure that they know your routines and your vacation schedules.

    Beyond that, you aren't going to stop Ethan Hunt, no matter what you do.

    1. Re:Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by deathguppie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My house was broken into with the alarm blaring. It's happened to a couple of my neighbors too. Someone pulls up they smash in the front door. Then spend about 30 seconds rifling through the house looking for valuables and then get in their car and run. The security system did nothing but make noise, and yes the cops were called. So what. Even if they would have been able to react immediately they would never have been able to get here in time.

      So I put up some cameras in places outside, totally visible in areas that you can't walk around behind them. I have a small linux based home server/backup system that is built into a cabinet downstairs anyway, so I put zoneminder on it. If someone actually enters the house I get a message, and I can call the police. But it doesn't happen. No one wants to walk up in front of the cameras, and yes I know they could wear balaclavas or some crap, but they can't walk around the neighborhood like that without someone calling the cops, and the whole idea is to be inconspicuous.

      There is no sure fire cure, and anyone who really want's in will get in. The idea is to make it more difficult than it's worth.

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    2. Re:Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hmm, just park a car with no wheels and an oil puddle underneath in front, put plastic garden furniture in your house, smash a couple of the windows and leave the door unlocked. If there is nothing of value inside, then nothing will get stolen. Peeing at the garden gate will also help to discourage visitors.

    3. Re:Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by swillden · · Score: 2

      My house was broken into with the alarm blaring. It's happened to a couple of my neighbors too. Someone pulls up they smash in the front door. Then spend about 30 seconds rifling through the house looking for valuables and then get in their car and run. The security system did nothing but make noise, and yes the cops were called. So what. Even if they would have been able to react immediately they would never have been able to get here in time.

      I'm not dismissing the value of your camera solution, but I think you're overlooking the value of the alarm system. It turned what could have been a thorough burglary into a 30-second smash and grab. That plus arranging for your most valuable stuff to be too hard to find and/or grab in 30 seconds means that your most valuable stuff is safe.

      Good security (physical or electronic) doesn't have to be impenetrable to provide significant value. Mitigation strategies, approaches that just limit the risk and damage, still have significant value, and your alarm system did that. Deterrent strategies (like your cameras) are also good. Layered strategies that include deterrence, penetration resistance, damage mitigation and potential loss recovery are best of all.

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    4. Re:Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by holophrastic · · Score: 2

      I think you've just found the values of fake cameras. Not real cameras. The bad guys can't see the feeds.

      And now, you're constantly watching your own cameras, worrying about your home when you're away, and worrying about your data reception all the time. It's now your responsibility, your duty, your job, to watch your house 24/7/52+1.

    5. Re:Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I think it looked like this, or possibly like this.

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    6. Re:Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by ledow · · Score: 2

      Sounds like what you really want is a smoke system connected to the alarm.

      Rather than alarms (which do nothing unless they alarm someone who's guaranteed to come running in time - let's be honest, a text to your phone or a friendly neighbour is more useful here than any amount of law enforcement, security companies or loud blaring alarms annoying your neighbours), you want to stop someone in their tracks.

      Connect smoke system and, in your average untargetted burglary, it's then not really possible to steal anything in time. Alarm goes off, home fills with smoke, you can't see shit and you're so "alarmed" by that that you run off.

      Dogs can be ignored, if you have the right approach. Hell, a sausage from a stranger will tame just about any beast that you're choosing to keep near your kids at night.

      CCTV is useless... even when it captures, it doesn't stop. And most of the time it won't capture. I've supplied CCTV to police any number of times in my job and when neighbours were burgled. They were singularly useless as everyone looks the same in a hoodie and cap, and not at all suspicious walking around the local areas.

      Alarms are useless except to alert YOU to the problem. That may or may not be useful but chances are that the peace of mind that you get a text even if something's smashed when nobody notices during the day is enough. And when it goes off, you can ring a friend to pop round, or phone the neighbour to ask if they could have a look. At least you might end up with a witness or a car plate or scaring them off, though.

      But a smoke system - unless they KNOW it's present and bring night-vision or something - stops them and actually prevents them even in a smash-and-grab.

      The problem with security is that people do what they think works, rather than what actually works. Literally, sneak into your own house and see how crap most camera placement, etc. is if you were prepared to just cover up and smash a window.

      Make your place look secure. Make it look more effort than it's worth. Don't leave expensive shit on show. Lock doors. Don't buy cheap tacky signs and fake plastic cameras. And twitch the curtains once in a while if you see people stopping in cars outside - they may well be reccying the place. And if you want to actually STOP the crime in progress, or be alerted to a crime in progress, deploy a system that does that.

      CCTV is only useful for after-the-event, for insurance purposes and things like that.

      Much better to put in decent window locks and get in the habit of double-locking doors and costing them every few seconds you can than almost anything else.

      Neighbours on both sides of my house have been burgled in the last year. I'm not claiming infallibility here, but access to my house/garden just LOOKS in a totally different class. They had no garden gate, unprotected side-alleys into the back of the house, had left a window at the back open (even if it was tiny) while they were out, old broken windows out front, etc. The neighbour was FOLLOWED HOME from the local train station after attending a religious event covered head-to-toe in their family gold and DID NOTHING TO REPORT IT, despite being worried for their children immediately afterwards. The next day, they were broken into and only the gold was stolen.

      A few days after that, they were back banging on the doors and bothering their children who were home alone to try to get them to open the door. Nobody thought to phone police and/or yell for help from neighbours until hours later (or at all in the latter case!).

      However, at no point, did the culprits walk within shot of anything to do with my CCTV system. We know, because the police asked for it, and there was nothing. They'd obviously reccied and decided exactly how they were going to do it, including jumping a small garden fence so that they didn't need to walk down my neighbour's path (covered by my CCTV) to approach their house.

      And they knew enough to steer clear of the house with live CCTV

    7. Re:Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by swillden · · Score: 3, Informative

      Guns are irrelevant when you're not home. If you are home, then the alarm system is even more important; you can't use that shotgun if you don't know your home has been invaded.

      You will get off scott free, your gun returned to you and a piece of shit was removed from the gene pool.

      If you believe it's that easy, you're fooling yourself. Oh, it does go that way for some people. Many others are severely traumatized by having taken a life (and you can't know if you will be or not until after it happens), and others end up dealing with criminal investigations and lawsuits that drain their personal and financial resources. Some also deal with social stigma.

      I'm a concealed weapons permit instructor. I'm all in favor of defending your life, and firearms are the best tools for that. But don't ever think that it's a good outcome. Killing an intruder is a better outcome than being killed by one, but it's still very bad.

      If you're home, an alarm system (or a dog) is good because it will alert you. The right thing to do then, if possible, is to gather your family in a room with one entrance. Cover that entrance with your gun(s) and call the police. The best case scenario is that the police arrive and catch the perp(s). Second best is that the perps leave before the cops arrive. Any scenario which requires you to fire your gun is a bad one, even if all of the others are worse.

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    8. Re:Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by NormalVisual · · Score: 2

      I'm a concealed weapons permit instructor. I'm all in favor of defending your life, and firearms are the best tools for that. But don't ever think that it's a good outcome. Killing an intruder is a better outcome than being killed by one, but it's still very bad.

      Very wise post, and as a CCW holder myself I couldn't agree more. There's an old saying, "every bullet that leaves your gun has a lawyer attached to it". Except for range time, of course, which anyone that carries should be getting plenty of.

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    9. Re:Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In college, I took an "Introduction to Pistols" physical education course....yes, really (to date this, it was about 20 years ago). I figured the course was going to be a bunch of guys, but i was dead wrong: 6 females and 2 males (myself included). The course was taught by the Marine Gunnery Sgt for the ROTC program. This guy had done multiple overseas tours as well as instruction for years. Had a blast in the class, he even brought out his personal arsenal for all of us to try (was really funny watching a 5', 100lbs women fire a 357....the sgt would stand behind them and calmly place his hands on their shoulderblades so that he could absorb the recoil and set the girls back down on the ground). Anyway, the last class one of the girls asked about getting a handgun for the summer with a concealed carry permit because she was going to be living in NYC and was concerned for her safety. The conversation that followed was probably one of the most educational events of my entire college career. It went something like this:

      Sgt: So you want a weapon for personal protection in NYC? Have you thought about this? I mean, REALLY thought about this?
      Girl: Yes, or I wouldn't be asking....
      Sgt: You do realize in NYC that the probability in 1 year time that you will draw that weapon and make the decision to pull the trigger is about 1 in 3. (again 20 years ago)
      Girl: So?
      Sgt: Are you ready to face that consequence? Have you reconciled this against your morals, ethics, religious beliefs? CAN YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELF IF YOU TAKE ANOTHER LIFE?
      Girl: Um
      Sgt: I've seen WAY to many soldiers come back from things like 'nam with their heads TOTALLY screwed up because they were not mentally ready to take a life. They couldn't rationalize it or come to terms with it. You CANNOT put that genie back in the bottle. Yes, it may be a "you or him" circumstance, but more often than not, it really isn't. Is being raped tramatizing? Hell yes. Is it worth taking a life over? That's your call and you had better be ready to live with that decision forever.
      Girl: ......
      Sgt: Look, I'm not telling you to not get a gun. Hell, I live, breath, eat, sleep, and shit guns. But if you cannot look me straight in the eyes and tell me you are ready to pull that trigger without another thought, then DO NOT BUY A WEAPON. PERIOD.

      I was floored....

    10. Re:Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by swillden · · Score: 1

      Smart man (not that there are a lot of dumb gunnies around).

      However, I think his position is a little too strong (perhaps deliberately, to make his point). If you are going to own firearms for self-defense, and especially if you're going to carry them, you definitely need to think this through and be sure of what you're doing. However, I don't think "I'll be traumatized" is a good reason not to shoot IF the alternative is even worse.

      In my classes I point out that in the moment you'll have zero time to think about the pros and cons. You can improve your decisionmaking by thinking through many scenarios beforehand, and even more by being alert and constantly thinking about the situations you're entering as they're unfolding, including making preparatory shoot/no-shoot decisions, just in case ("Be polite, be professional, have a plan to kill everyone you meet" :P). But in spite of all that, at the moment of truth you'll have no time to think and your decision will be purely "gut". Emotional.

      To prepare their emotional decision-making machine to make the right decision, I encourage my students to think about a "balance of fear": pick something that you really, really don't want to have happen to you as a result of defending yourself, but which is preferable to death. I suggest assuming that if you shoot you will go to prison for the rest of your life. Another good option is assuming that if you shoot you'll be severely traumatized for years. Whatever scares you more... as long as it scares you less than death. Then in the moment you just have to weigh your fear of what will happen if you don't shoot against your assumed terrible outcome if you do shoot. If the assumed terrible outcome is less terrifying, then shoot.

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    11. Re:Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by deathguppie · · Score: 1

      Not me. I'm lazy. Zoneminder sends me a notification if a zone alarm goes off. It records zone movement outside the house and sends me a notification if one occurs inside the house. So far, other than testing, I haven't gotten a notification. The fact is that even a security company has to call you first, before the authorities can be notified. I just cut out the middleman, and the monthly payments, no extra hassle for me.

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    12. Re:Monitoring isn't peace of mind. by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      The monitoring company doesn't need to call you first. They need to do whatever you tell them to do. And the question is not whether or not they try to call you first. The question is what do they do when you aren't reachable.

      None of this is an issue if you're by your phone waiting for a call. If you can act, then all of this is meaningless. The question is what happens to your notification when you're fucking your dog? What happens when you're on a plane, underground, covered in peanut butter, on vacation?

      Then what.

      You don't hire a monitoring company to monitor anything. You don't hire a middle man at all. You hire an action man to act on your behalf when you cannot. And then, you ask them to try to be a middle man first, because that's cheaper.

  11. Re:Get serious... by geoskd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because otherwise what the system runs is irrelevant and makes very little sense to tinker with it. If you *really* enjoy the tinkering, install a primary security system and get a secondary as an add-on to play with.

    The entire point of a security system is deterrence. The thing you have to understand is that, even if you have 4k video, DNA evidence, and a signed confession, the police will not do a damned thing to help you. If you're in a tough enough area, they wont even send a cop; just take a statement over the phone. At the end of the day, once the crooks have your stuff, you've already lost, so your only hope is to scare them off before hand.

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  12. sdfvzzvxc by Blymie · · Score: 1

    There are lots of IP/Net modules that you can connect to traditional alarm systems. These often allow IP based control over the alarm system, reporting, etc.

    Just be careful what system you buy. I bought an envisacor add on to my alarm system, and it's fairly poor. Worse, they insist on phoning home (not to the alarm center, but to their corporate center), and if you firewall of their IP.. their system reboots every 15 minutes.

    (Why would I want an external 3rd party entity I don't even know, receiving unknown data about my alarm system is incomprehensible. Especially considering that this includes when the system is armed and disarmed, when specific zones are triggered (think motion detectors as you walk about the house), and more. Including, for some systems, listening to audio and watching video! Heh!))

    Anyhow, there is no way to control/alter that behaviour. Couple that with poor envisacor support, and you won't be happy. So, definitely stick with something usable.

    That said, yes.. it can be nice to integrate, but really -- get a real alarm center. You don't want to get an SMS or email saying "ZONE 1 OPEN" (your front door), then have to ssh into something to see what the situation is, then decide if you want to call the police, etc.

    Once I got past the lame shortcoming of the envisacor module, I scripted things so that I only get SMS alerts for network events when I'm not at home. My phone is off when I'm at home, so nothing was more annoying than 100 SMS messages when I turned the thing on...

    So, sure, lots of things you vcan do. As well as SSH in to your home, and remotely disarm the system if someone visits...

    1. Re:sdfvzzvxc by Blymie · · Score: 1

      I might add, the concept that an add on to an alarm system, one that can trigger alarms or silence them, should receive automatic updates without any way to intervene, is bizarre.

      Envisacorp couldn't comprehend that some users might want to control that process. To be able to rollback. To not have forced updates. And, as is always the case with such a policy, there were lots of 'this update did this!' complaints in their support forum. Which is another vital reason why one might want to firewall of their IP.

      (And, frankly, firewalls should be inclusive not exclusive, so they were just firewalled off by default.. another thing that they found confusing. Great for a security system company, yes?)

      Frankly, these guys didn't even get the concept that security should be involved in an alarm system. For example, their web page portal is http, and they also have telnet. Bah.

  13. Re:Get serious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The entire point of a security system is deterrence. The thing you have to understand is that, even if you have 4k video, DNA evidence, and a signed confession, the police will not do a damned thing to help you. If you're in a tough enough area, they wont even send a cop; just take a statement over the phone. At the end of the day, once the crooks have your stuff, you've already lost, so your only hope is to scare them off before hand.

    This. The value of a security system is in making your home look less appealing as a potential target. 90% of the effectiveness of a home security system is the big warning sticker displayed on the front door. That, and possibly a $5 fake camera, is going to deter criminals more than any home-rolled video system.
    Pay the $15-20 a month for a name-brand security company that'll put up stickers, then cancel your contract after the 1-year term is up. Cheaper and by far more effective than a roll-your-own monitoring solution.
    Disclaimer: I work for a security company, but unless you live in my city there's no chance of us profiting from me offering this advice.

  14. How about linux-based cameras? by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 1

    This might not be what the OP is looking for, but I've had great luck with Sharx security cameras. They appear to run Linux (though I've never gotten console), and they have all the smarts you need internally. If one fails or is damaged, the rest keep working. They can email you when there's a motion alarm, if you like, record to server, and/or record to a file server. They have both wireless and PoE, indoor and outdoor models, with IR illumination and cutoff filters. We don't live in an area with a lot of violent crime, but burglaries are common. Especially for my office nearby, I have several Sharx cameras set up, indoor and outdoor, recording directly to an Amazon EC2 server (cost: ~$10/mo) whenever there's motion during specified times of day / in specified regions. Add a dog and a few properly placed/secured firearms and you should be good to go. There are also some good driveway motion alarm type products (we have one made by Chamberlain) that you can use to alert you when someone's outside your home, and they're inexpensive and simple to operate.

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  15. hard to figure out by dwpbike · · Score: 1

    who is trolling the most - the poster or the responders

  16. This is not what you want.Call a security company. by mjensen · · Score: 1

    I'm familiar with the security business.

    What you really want is for police to be called if your home is broken into, even if you can't be called. For this you need a monitoring contract, which can only be done through a security company (cannot be done as an individual).

    You can use the other posts here to maybe find good open-source hardware. Security companies will generally not let you purchase hardware/software that you can modify. If there are any issues with anything, you have to prove you didn't have anything to do with the problem.

    We don't even let customers have keys to the box with circuit board (called a panel) to change batteries.

  17. Stark Helps by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    One way to be safer is to avoid showing anything that would attract a thief. Do not wear jewelry. When you open your front door the view should show a rather bare interior such that no neighbor will notice much of anything of value. Imply low status to anyone in the building or near by. If you are an engineer tell them you are a clerk. Use a debit card and do not show cash. Make yourself unavailable to your neighbors such that they know little about you. In the bedroom area build yourself a very strong box that is heavy or locked to the floor or buy several of those security boxes and anchor them for your various gizmos that you don't want to lose. Insure everything and keep pics of all the items you insure online.

  18. linux based security is useless by lophophore · · Score: 1

    You might get a picture of a thug carting off your tv and macbook. or not. either way, your stuff is gone, your door is smashed, your privacy is violated.

    you're going about this all wrong.

    physical security is a better bet. what you need to do is make your place much more difficult to break into than the neighbor's place, and make that very obvious. thieves are lazy. they will find an easier target in 99% of the cases.

    Me, I would not live there. because you still have to park your car somewhere, and you still have to cart your stuff from your car into your fortress.

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  19. This is not a computer problem by Abe677 · · Score: 1

    Like someone else said - don't move there. If you're going to try it then here's my 1.5 cents. #1 issue is someone coming in while you're there and doing you harm in order to rob you. Hardening every way in is very important. Once they get in (and they will) you either have to be able to protect yourself or go somewhere in the house where you can call for help and buy some time. A dog is excellent because they're an unknown to a stranger, but they require lots of care. #2 - when you're not home you need good insurance. I work with someone who had video and the police got finger prints but crime not solved. #3 - ask yourself what you're trying to protect? Can it be put in a safe? Can you deploy a decoy safe that someone might spend a lot of time trying to take for nothing? Can you hide your valuables. How about a fake dog that reacts to sound? How about a lighting and sound device that makes it look like someone's home watching TV? #4 - add a monitored security system. Cost of living there. Get one that makes noise, calls someone, sends texts when access points change state, etc.

  20. Re:Get serious... by TheCarp · · Score: 2

    Except there is also attractant. The more security you have, and the more out of place your security is, the more valuable it is perceived. I am reminded of an anecdote shared by a man trying to get rid of an old tire. He tossed it in the bed of his pickup, and left it there for several weeks. He would go about his day, park in town, etc.

    Then for a lark, he puts a combination lock around it. Not attached to anything, just the tire itself. It was stolen from his pickup the next day.

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  21. Re:This is not what you want.Call a security compa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Or instead of paying the security buffoons, pay the local gang boss - same thing - possibly better service.

  22. Why bother? Get insurance. by xtal · · Score: 1

    If you're worried about being shot in your own home move to a nicer neighbourhood/country/city.

    My data is backed up, they can steal my TV, it's not like the locks are going to stop a well-placed boot. I don't own anything of any particular value to anyone.

    There's insurance for the rest, and the pathetic discount they offer doesn't pay for the ridiculous monitoring costs that are ongoing expenses.

    I have some cameras to keep an eye on my cats when I'm gone, but that's an out of the box solution.

    If you're obsessed, you can get used gear on eBay for next to nothing and it all integrates fairly easily.

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    1. Re:Why bother? Get insurance. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "it's not like the locks are going to stop a well-placed boot." Mine will.
      steel door jamb and steel door with security grade door latch and deadbolt, even cops with their battering ram can't get through it. It's certified to LPS1175 Issue 7 SR4 so no wannabe door kicker is going to do anything but hurt himself.

      I love finding stuff at surplus sales.

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    2. Re:Why bother? Get insurance. by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      And bars on the windows if you're already going to that much trouble. Rose bushes immediately underneath the windows are a nice touch too. It's amazing to see so many houses that are built with full-length windows on either side of the front door nowadays. You might as well not even lock your door if you have those.

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    3. Re:Why bother? Get insurance. by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      I remember clearly an incident many years ago where a club was broken into late on Christmas Eve, aka before the chance to bank the takings. They took a sledgehammer and came in through the wall.

      The moral of the story is if they want to get in they will, and as a modern day equivalent I would point you to the Hatton Garden safety deposit raid in April this year. They drilled through the 50 cm thick concrete vault walls with a Hilti DD 350 diamond coring drill.

      The best you can do is make your property less attractive that the one next door or down the street.

    4. Re:Why bother? Get insurance. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Rose bushes are for girls. Devils Club will get through any clothing and make you swell up like a balloon while in insane pain.

      My grandfather intentionally planted that stuff along the back property line of his farm and it completely stopped the idiot hunters that cant read "no hunting" signs.

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    5. Re:Why bother? Get insurance. by xtal · · Score: 1

      No, the best you can do is have insurance and live someplace with a statistically low crime rate. It's that easy.

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      ..don't panic
  23. Alarm is last... by linuxwrangler · · Score: 1

    There's an old joke about a couple guys in a tent who hear a bear. One starts lacing his shoes. The other says, "you idiot, you can't outrun a bear." The first guy responds, "don't need do, I just have to outrun you."

    Security is the same. You can't build a fortress but you can make your place substantially less attractive than others.

    Burglaries are up everywhere. Where I live is no considered a "bad" area but our door was kicked in last year and my wife's car was burglarized last week (along with half a dozen others) when she was running errands. It was neighbors looking out that resulted in two of the burglars being arrested and my sleuthing on Craigslist that led to a sting that recovered a nice camera.

    In a past life I have worked both in law enforcement and also worked installing alarm systems including multi-hundred-zone museum systems. Before looking at an alarm system be sure you have addressed physical security and understand burglary patterns. They aren't mostly at night - they are in the day when people are away. A typical burglary involves someone knocking on the door. If someone answers, they are "taking a poll", "sorry, I thought this was Mr. Smith's house", etc. No answer, they kick the door (or back door or jimmy a window).

    Doors are pathetically easy to kick. Sure, you got that 1" deadbolt but it's still going into a piece of 3/4" finger-jointed pine trim. Several manufacturers sell long reinforcing pieces - basically a several foot long plate that replaces the strike and deadbolt plate and screws all the way into the stud with a dozen long screws. Still, a panel door with thin decorative sections can allow someone to kick through and unlock from the inside. Small sidelight windows, doggy-doors, mail-slots and the like can be broken or reached through to unlock a door as well. If you end up looking at any door upgrades you can find steel-framed doors with heavy-duty bolt systems.

    You will need to evaluate your windows - too long a subject to get into but your friendly search-engine will help. Also look at your general property condition and things that might telegraph an empty house like uncollected mail, papers, etc. Most police departments offer a security check service that will help with all of the above.

    Get to know your neighbors. Join/form a neighborhood watch.

    Now that you have dealt with the physical issues so your doors and windows are solid and won't just rattle and cause false alarms you can start working on electronic.

    I understand the desire to DIY for fun and to avoid what I consider to be insane monitoring fees. In the 20-years I've lived here I would have spent over $7,000 in monitoring which is less than we lost (not counting the door repair) even if we had no insurance coverage. But now with kids there is the peace-of-mind factor to consider. The trouble with DIY is that there are now excellent and affordable wireless panels that are quick and easy to install and have all the necessary backup batteries, dialers and the like. Plus you put up the "protected" yard sign to deter (although around here the burglars look at the signs from the cut-rate firms as an invitation rather than a deterrent - "hey, there's good stuff and they won't call the cops anytime soon"). I will be installing a system soon but I'm not going to redesign it myself.

    Cameras are a deterrent, too, and there I'm looking at a number of DIY options for recording video. There's the "motion" software and a number of neat Raspberry Pi options. Several burglars have been apprehended around here because people had cameras. That's where I'm putting my DIY effort.

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  24. His nose laser has a nasty bite.

  25. Don't tinker ... get something that works by golodh · · Score: 1
    In this case I'd check in any DIY urges at the front door. You want this to work and work reliably, right?

    Get a system from a reputable make and have it installed by a firm that's been doing this for awhile. This means that the central part will have a battery (in case someone cuts the mains), will be protected by tamper detection (in case mr. burglar tries to disable your alarm system), will probably have a UPS for your modem, ADSL modem, cable modem or whatever (mains again plus blown fuses), and perhaps a backup channel for alerting you that uses mobile telephony (in case they cut the cable or the phone line first).

    Get a system with motion sensors, glass breakage detectors, and smoke detectors that can send alerts to your mobile phone.

    Also have a few IP camera's plus a recorder installed so that you can actually check up on your home in real time if you get an alert.

    That way you'll be able to actually call the police (or the fire brigade). They'll respond when you tell them you have seen the burglar / fire live on camera.

    So ... err ... make a choice between a hobby project and a system that just works (and covers a few beginner's mistakes in installation).

  26. A yard sign ... by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... that says

    "All computers in this residence run Linux.
    They are worth nothing at the local pawn shop".

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    1. Re:A yard sign ... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ooh, where is that? ;)

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    2. Re:A yard sign ... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

      Alternative sign:

      This computer runs Windows 10. We know who you are. We know where you are. We know what you ate for breakfast.

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      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
  27. CCTV by LoRdTAW · · Score: 2

    Few things here.

    First, i'd be more worried about the neighborhood locals. What is the neighborhood ethnic makeup? If it's mostly black and you aren't black, then I'd be weary. If it's white trash and you're not white, I'd also be weary. Same for everyone else.
    *Blend in. Don't wear fancy clothes, iPod accessories or anything that is valuable. Don't flaunt wealth. If some destitute drug addict sees you, you're a big juicy target.
    *Ditto for gang members looking at an outsider. They most likely will rob you to exert power over you. They want you to be a cowering victim. You most likely wont get your ass kicked if you just act scared and give then what they want.

    I'v been robbed at knife and gunpoint when I went to high school in Jamaica, Queens. It was a primarily black neighborhood and during freshman year I was a frequent target being a white kid. It was more a joke for them, robbing the lone white kid of two or three dollars and laughing at me. I learned to make friends with kids who took my bus so when we got off or walked to it, we rolled deep. After that no one ever went near me again. Also, don't be a hero. Even if you think some fighting classes are worth it or your a big guy, just don't be dumb. A gun doesn't care and neither does a drug addict.

    I'm assuming you will be renting an apartment? Cameras are your best friend. Setup a few hidden inside cameras inside which will catch someone wandering around tearing up the place looking for valuables. Keep them low and head level if you can. A raspberry pi and web cams will satisfy your Linux craving if you go that route. Use a big USB key, 128GB+ to record on a loop. That or get fancy and make a cloud setup for remote access and recording.

    Make it look like someone is home. A light coming on if a loud noise is made or window/door is touched will help. Arduino project perhaps? Maybe send a text if an event comes through. Then use your phone to connect to your web cams to have a look around. The sound of a dog barking is also pretty damn good. Get a big ass dog if you can. No crack head wants to mess with a dog. Dogs, and good outdoor lighting are the best security if you ask me. Plus, you can walk the dog to stores and no one will mess with you.

    Oh, and leave some money laying around in your house. Most break-ins are by drug addicts. If you have 60 bucks on the kitchen table, hopefully that is all they want and they will get the hell out. Keep smaller electronics out of sight like gaming systems laptops and tablets. They go for the low hanging fruit. My friend had his car broken into in a real bad area populated by homeless drug addicts. The back of his car was all computer boxes will Dell and HP printed on them as he was a travelling service tech. They broke his window and stole his ashtray which had a few bucks in cash and a bunch of change. Didn't take one box or the fancy radio. They don't want to fence or pawn shit if they can get cash. Drug dealers take cash only.

    1. Re:CCTV by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      I think you mean "be wary."

      As a long-term Detroit resident who happened to be white I'd be more concerned about a white neighborhood. Black criminals in a black area will mug you, steal from you, and occasionally threaten your life if you're white; but they will almost never actually physically hurt you.

      They aren't stupid. They don't want to actually hurt anybody (Homicide is a lot harder to evade then the burglary unit, or some patrolman investigating a mugging), except possibly other criminals, and it's not hard to tell you ain't Little D from two streets over whose on their shit list.

    2. Re:CCTV by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      If it's mostly black and you aren't black, then I'd be weary. If it's white trash and you're not white, I'd also be weary.

      If you're not white trash (i.e. you know the difference between "weary" and "wary" and are sick of ignorant fools who don't, I can guarantee that you'd also be weary. ;)

  28. Maintenance by ledow · · Score: 1

    The problem is really: Do you want to be managing this stuff yourself? I know, when I get home, the last thing I want to happen is some problem with a security system that I'm the only one who knows how to fix.

    There's no harm in joining modules, but doing everything from integration to day-to-day tasks on a computer that you'll have to manage? That's a pain in the butt.

    It's the same with electronics - some of this stuff is cheap and easy to make, but the hassle of doing so compared to a tiny purchase for a support product is rarely worth the hassle. I have set up motion-capture cameras that send me the footage to my phone using systems like "motion". But the day I saw a 1Tb DVR with 8 CCTV camera in-ports, 8 audio-in ports, VGA out, smartphone control and four day/night cameras with all the cabling, for less than the price of a tablet computer, it was a no-brainer. And I can just set it and leave it and be assured that it'll be running overnight. Hell, the only thing I can envision happening is drive-failure and it has email warning for that even if the drive can't boot.

    The question is really what you want to achieve and whether you want a zero-management solution, or whether you're after a hobbyist security project with lots of tinkering and testing and times when it falls over because of something unaccounted for? Most people want the first option.

  29. Re:What about... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    And bad guys could provide food for the sharks!

  30. Just be nice by mi · · Score: 1

    majority of affordable housing within driving distance lies in an area known for its high crime rate

    Dude, like, be nice about it. Embrace the local disadvantaged kids — they didn't have mommy and daddy provide them with computers and nice schools growing up, so what's left for them to do but robbery and selling drugs?

    Don't be no hater and give them your money and iPhone voluntarily and be sure to attend all community meetings resisting the evil money-grabbing developers intent on gentrification of the area for profit — it raises the rents for everyone, hitting women and the poor the worst, of course.

    Ah, and never miss a chance to flip a birdie to the police while filming them doing their jobs. Every time — they are the ones, you do not have to be nice to.

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    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
  31. Make friends with your neighbors by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

    Besides the physical security, there's also getting the neighbors to know you. They're much more likely to call the police, or to notify you of vandalism, if you've established contact with them. They'll also be more willing to feed your pets, pick up your mail when you travel, or let you know if the local kids, or more organized gangs, have been making trouble, if they know your name. And doing them similar favors is a good investment in making the whole neighborhood safer.

    Perhaps the easiest way to do this is to put down laptop and take a walk before work or close to dinner time. Say hello to the local dog owners, ask if their dogs like petting. Sharing a minor safe personal detail and asking about local shops or restaurants is invaluable information, and you don't have to do it every day.

    1. Re:Make friends with your neighbors by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      In some cases, the neighbors are the problem. On one occasion, the people next to my house got robbed by the people on the other side of my house. I've had several breakins and I strongly suspect the burglars lived around there.

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  32. Don't bother. by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Who wants to know that thieves, robbers and murderers they were inside and when, you'll never be able to sleep again anyway after the fact.
    You don't want to be alerted when they come in, you want them not to be able to come in.
    You'd better invest in concrete and steel doors and unbreakable windows.

    In 95% of the cases, if they can't force open the door or a window with a screw driver, they'll leave for an easier target.
    And the professionals who could overcome such doors and windows won't come to your neighborhood for the same reasons that you are afraid.
    There's nothing to steal there.

  33. My dad is in the insurance industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and has seen thousands of robberies in his career. FWIW, he always says that alarms aren't that effective and the best deterrent is a dog.

  34. Easy to do by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Step 1 get about 10-20 contact closure inputs on your computer.
    step 2 get at least 1-2 Relay closure outputs.
    Add a battery backup system
    Adda GSM cellular connection to fail over when power goes out or comcast is down yet again.
    write software to text you and set off the alarm relays when it senses any of the contact closures.

    not too hard to do with a RasPi.

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  35. OpenHAB.org by mspohr · · Score: 1

    You've received lots of advice on this forum... some good... some not so good but to answer your question: OpenHAB.org
    OpenHAB is a Java (platform agnostic) open source home automation software with bindings to several hundred different security and home automation hardware sets. If you decide to build a system, it would be a good platform.

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  36. Just get a dog by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 1

    This is 1000x more effective (literally) than ANY electronics you can buy or build.

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    "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." -- Jefferson
    1. Re:Just get a dog by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

      Not. Burglar hit my home this summer and got around my alarm system. The dog sat there and did nothing. Not a damn thing. One fucking job and the dog didn't do it.

      I can forgive the alarm system failure. We missed a sensor area. I'm angry. But that dog eats and sleeps and craps and hangs around and demands expensive canned food and yet she can be bothered to defend the house? For that I am betrayed.

      if you're gonna rely on a security system that licks its own ass and can be bothered to do a thing to stop intruders, well I hope that works out for you.
       

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      Sig for hire.
    2. Re:Just get a dog by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 1

      A dog is right there and is HARD to fool. Security systems have, as you discovered, myriad flaws. Beyond that the cops basically figure 99% of all alarms are false, so they're dead last dispatch priority. If you're VERY lucky they get there 30 minutes later, if they bother to show up at all. The average crack head is in and out in 5 minutes or less, so all that fancy alarm hardware and expensive multi-year monthly contract monitoring, worthless.

      Talk to any security expert, a dog is absolutely 100% your best option, if you don't have that, get one FIRST, then worry about the rest. One you have the dog you can worry about impeding ingress with fences, barriers, lights, and if necessary, bars. THEN maybe you start to consider a security system.

      And if your dog failed? Get yourself a rottie or a big shepherd. If you think your golden retriever is going to guard your house, well, you got what you asked for, wrong tool for the job.

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      "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." -- Jefferson
  37. Deter, Prevent, Prosecute? by Shoten · · Score: 1

    These are the three aspects of what you should consider.

    • Deter = indicate to a potential thief that they would be better off going somewhere else. It could be a "Protected by ACME Security" sticker in the front window or sign on the front lawn, even if it's not backed by anything else. It could be one of those devices that makes lights flash like someone's home watching TV even when nobody's around. You get the idea...and it's also a component of an existing security solution that actually does something, if it's visible/perceptible.
    • Prevent = keep someone who is actively trying to break in from being successful. Mul-t-lock makes front doors that are a nightmare to get into. Bars on windows help a lot, even though they definitely make a home feel less like a nice place to be. Burglar alarms count here too...an alarm that goes off is likely to send a thief scurrying away. And as before, many aspects of this feed into the "Deter" aspect of it all.
    • Prosecute = gather evidence during a break-in so that there's an opportunity to get the guilty parties arrested and *maybe* get some of your stuff back. This also tends to add to the "Deter" component of the overall solution...though video cameras are also pretty easy to set up in ways that make them vulnerable, and thus useless.

    Ultimately, here's the problem: the only requirement you've put forth is that it all be Linux-based. Why? What about Linux makes for a superlative home security solution? This is a silly requirement. I'd step back and ask myself what I really wanted to accomplish with regard to the three aspects above. And then I would look at what's out there on the market ranging from home-built-and-installed options to professionally-installed options, and figure out what best fit my needs and my budget.

    If the reason you want Linux is that you want it to be cheap or free, then I think you probably want to reconsider the new job, because the security and safety of your home is definitely not something you should architect solely around price...and if you can't afford to live someplace safe on what they're willing to pay you, it doesn't sound like they value their employees much at all.

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  38. Anything can be bypassed by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

    I've got a fancy security system, IP cameras, and a dog. And a burglar still got in this summer. The alarm didn't trip. The dog didn't bite and the cameras, well, he laughed at them. What finally stopped this guy was me coming home to him inside my house and punching him in the face a few times.

    This is a long way of saying even the best systems can be bypassed. If a human spent a lot of time planning it out, somebody else will come along and go "poke" and unravel it all.

    As for Linux, there is a time and a place for open source and there is a time and a place to get stuff vetted and tested by decades of professional security installers. You'd be FAR better off to leverage all of that research and real-world experience and just do it that way. Further advice:

    Get an alarm with wireless monitoring. You will want 4G or LTE wireless. The ubiquitous 3G monitoring systems are being phased out by the cell carriers and it makes no sense to spend any money on a 3G module at this point. 4G wireless modules are affordable anyway.

    Get motion detection. This is where my system failed because I have too many pets. I relied on point of entry and glass break and the burglar simply jimmied open a locked window without breaking it, and then smartly didn't open a door to try to carry away his loot. He was using the same window. Get motion detection, Get rid of the pets. Don't rely on locked windows, use large screws or lag bolts to secure them through the window frame. Won't be seen, can be removed to open the window, but won't be vulnerable.

    The Honeywell/Ademco alarms are what I would suggest. The parts and sensors are very proven and are used by professional installers but are still inexpensive and easy to DIY install and you can have "root" access to the box to program it how you like, and pay little for an independent company to monitor it for you.

    The neat thing is that the sensors can be bought on ebay or Amazon without any trouble. So you are free to source from where you wish.

    The Honeywell systems won't stop the CIA from getting in but they will work against normal threats.

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    Sig for hire.
  39. Re:DIY vs reality by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    Not only that, we had a window sensor go bad at a company I worked for about 20 years ago. It became so sensitive that someone driving by the window or a bird singing on the ledge would set it off. but it wouldn't do that all the time. After 3 false alarms, they were fined $300 plus the costs of the response and the fines went up progressively after that. It went off something like 6 times total over the course of two weeks before their alarm guy found the problem.

    So not only check with the local police, but check if there are any fines and so on for false alarms. It might make a roll your own solution impractical if you aren't sure you will get it perfectly right the first time.

  40. Non-existent by guruevi · · Score: 1

    There is Visonic who creates Linux-based systems but they are ROM-based and have hard coded root passwords available over telnet. You can't tinker with it as the boot loader and kernel code is not released under GPL (Israeli based so good luck enforcing).

    That is the only company I know that has Linux basis. You can do it yourself, good luck however getting an AHJ or insurance company to accept it. And in most jurisdictions you will need code compliant central fire, CO and smoke detection in the entire house the minute you renovate any space.

      Even if they do, there is no alarm company in the world that will take it and as such no alerting of the authorities will be possible (and no, hooking it up to dial 911 is illegal).

    Doing it yourself will also cost more than buying a system not to mention the time effort. You can get a Vista 21iP and Tuxedo console which allows you to install it yourself, tinker with the system over HTTP AND have the installation UL certified. That's what I did, the AHJ, alarm company, insurance and I am happy, it cost me less than $1000 and about $15/mo.

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  41. geeks can meet their neighbors too.... by whistlingtony · · Score: 1

    Go meet your neighbors, make some friends, and bring the neighborhood up. Throw some potlatches. Maybe help some neighbor's kids code, or help 'em with their homework.

    You don't need a security system. You need a nicer neighborhood. So get to work....

  42. May these might help? by gr33ngiant112 · · Score: 1
    http://www.zoneminder.com/

    ZoneMinder is an integrated set of applications which provide a complete surveillance solution allowing capture, analysis, recording and monitoring of any
    CCTV or security cameras attached to a Linux based machine. It is designed to run on distributions which support the Video For Linux (V4L) interface and
    has been tested with video cameras attached to BTTV cards, various USB cameras and also supports most IP network cameras. A partial list is given in the
    Wiki and Support sections, please give feedback in the Forums if it works with yours. ZoneMinder also requires MySQL and PHP, and is enhanced by a
    webserver such as Apache.

    Or this ?
    http://www.linuxmce.org/nc.htm...

    A introduction into LinuxMCE LinuxMCE is a whole home automation suite.
    It the 'digital glue' between your media and all of your electrical appliances.
    It includes full featured solutions for:
    Security
    Monitor sensors and trigger events
    Monitor security cameras

  43. Maybe these might help pt2? by gr33ngiant112 · · Score: 1
    http://www.ossec.net/

    OSSEC is an Open Source Host-based Intrusion Detection System that performs log analysis, file integrity checking, policy monitoring, rootkit detection, real-time alerting and active response. It runs on most operating systems, including Linux, MacOS, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX and Windows. Check out OSSEC features and how it works for more information about how OSSEC can help you solve your host-based security problems.

    1. Re:Maybe these might help pt2? by gr33ngiant112 · · Score: 1

      Ignore this partciular reply I didn't read the the page header, this is just an IDS.

  44. FOSS doesn't work here...go with a known vendor. by The+Last+Gunslinger · · Score: 1

    I would personally recommend Remington (I use their 870 Express platform), although I've heard good reports about Mossberg as well.

  45. Re:Get serious... by swalve · · Score: 1

    Exactly.

  46. Try a Paintball Sentry Gun loaded with, by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

    US Government Standard Bathroom Malodor.

  47. Dog + Shotgun by exabrial · · Score: 1

    When you are *present* on your property, a dog and a gun are simply the best protection for the price. A dog is equivalent to an advanced machine learning system that can tell when things are out of the normal. A pump action Mossberg has an incredibly low mtbf. The best approach to security is layerd: Dog, shotgun, emergency plan, and basic security system. Don't try to overcomplicate it!

  48. Pay somebody else to worry by Goonie · · Score: 1

    Do you want a security system or a hobby? Find a professional and let them worry about whether it's been designed and more importantly installed properly.
    That said, before you turn your home into a fortress might I suggest you buy a copy of Ground Control a book about British urban planning which has a lot to say about the downsides of "secure" homes.

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
    --Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
  49. What's the financial trade off? by swb · · Score: 2

    So you move to a shitty neighborhood. You drop $5k on miscellaneous security stuff -- locks, alarms, door upgrades, etc. You still get nicked to the tune of $1k per year in out of pocket costs plus extras like door or window repair. And the continual aggravation and paranoia. Plus you drive out of your neighborhood for everything, since shitty neighborhoods have shitty stores and restaurants.

    So you commute instead. The extra driving is a continual hassle and costs extra money for fuel and wear and tear. But this is balanced by no paranoia or break in hassles. You spend the security money on a better car or a more efficient car. You drive less overall since the stuff you want is close by.

    Building a fortress in enemy territory is kind of appealing in a post-apocalyptic way but only if you're there all the time.

  50. In Soviet Russia... by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    ... the police chief told my daddy that the giant dog is the only legal protection. If he eats a burglar it's OK but if you kill a burglar it's a crime. Russian law allows killing the killer, not the burglar.

    The second means of protection was a flare launcher. The flare easily burns all the guts of a burglar while it is not legally a weapon, so it's not a crime but only a misbehavior to keep it, and flares are sold w/o license.

    And the third: A wireless signal to the police. Prices are quite affordable, property is insured, and there is a nice label that the building is being guarded.

    The video system is on 4th place. And my neighbor's recorder is in my basement, not his.

    Happily the junkies died off and our neighborhood is safe. Also, many locals don't lock their dogs so they wander around eating the strangers.

  51. Concepts by gruntled · · Score: 1

    So, physical security needs to accomplish, in chronological order, the following against the threat of a potential intrusion: 1) Deter. The area you are trying to protect should ideally scream "Try somewhere else." Steel doors, solid frames, deadbolts, restrictive window coverings (bars), visible tamper proof cameras, etc. There are also a number of devices available these days designed to make a home look occupied, Google "Fake TV" for a number of cheap products designed to make it appear as though a TV is running inside the house. 2) Delay. Given sufficient time and resources, any target can be penetrated eventually; your doors, windows, and locks don't have to hold out forever, just long enough for a potential thief to decide it's taking too long to get in. 3) Detect. Ideally you want some kind of alert if somebody gets in. I'm laying this out for you because the security system is largely associated with number three, meaning you're skipping the most important aspect of all, deterrence. Many if not most break-ins are literally break-ins; they're not subtle. The wooden back door is smashed in or hinge pins knocked out in a matter of seconds. The thieves spend five minutes tops inside searching for stuff that can be easily hauled away in a gym bag. Your detection setup is generally pretty worthless; it's highly unlikely that the cops will even bother looking at the images you captured, much less beat the bushes hunting for mooks who kicked in your door. So focus on making your place look too hard to get in to. Further, since if somebody does get in they're not going to spend a lot of effort searching your nooks and crannies, keep the stuff that has the most meaning for you / is expensive in a special hidey hole; you can build one yourself or purchase something you can set into the wall or floor. If you have a camera, precious objects, spare laptops, external hard drives, don't leave them lying on your desk; lock them up.

  52. Guns are useless by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    if you own a gun, it is more than 5 times as likely to kill a family member (including girlfriend/boyfriend) than it is to kill a felon.

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    1. Re:Guns are useless by bluelip · · Score: 1

      You are useless. Your family members are 5 times more likely to kill themselves when you are in the area.

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  53. Re:Get serious... by tresho · · Score: 1

    In my neighborhood, a dead refrigerator doesn't last more than 30 minutes, laying out by the curb, before a scrap metal scavenger hoists it up, up and away. I can dispose of an old tire for $1, about the cost of that combination lock mentioned earlier.

  54. Re:Get serious... by TheCarp · · Score: 1

    I was laughing, we had some old PCs that my father got from an old job when a department store his company was contracted to shut down. They had been out of business 10 years, old enough that the hard drives I ripped out to be destroyed were 5GB.

    We put them outside over the weekend...gone. Even got rid of a 14" CRT monitor. Which is hillarious when I posed a 52" rear projection HDTV on freecycle and nobody wanted it.

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  55. Ubiquiti Networks Cameras by beerdragoon · · Score: 1

    Ubiquiti Networks offers IP cameras that are priced quite reasonably. The controller that runs the cameras and records the video footage is available for Windows, Debian and Ubuntu. No source code available unfortunately. If you don't have any spare hardware, you can buy their NVR appliance which runs the same controller software.

    More information on the cameras here: https://www.ubnt.com/unifi-vid...

  56. Re:Get serious... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    When I had to replace my water heater, I put the old one out by the curb, went inside to pee, got ready to phone the Bulky Item pickup, looked out the window and it was already gone.

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  57. Re:True. So? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    Zoneminder is not aimed at non technical people.. The people running it know better than to expose it to the Internet in a default state.
    People buying off the shelf systems often don't know any better and there are thousands of such systems easily found through google.

    Zoneminder is open enough that the user can easily harden it themselves, the off the shelf systems often are not. Hiding insecure systems behind a firewall is a kludge, not a proper fix.

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  58. this are the things that you will need. by lott11 · · Score: 1

    OK so you want a personal security system, you are going to need a few things. Let start are you going to lock the doors, are you going monitor the internal entries. Are you going to to monitor for break ins and fire and windows, time lock, web monitoring. Well to this things you are going to need a PC capture card and software and some power supplies. The software in simple use zone minder http://www.zoneminder.com/ if you are just going for recording use yamcam http://www.yawcam.com/ You will also need a VPN for monitoring your system. For interface board you can use a raspberry pi or something that will be used for contact trigger points. in ether case you will need a dedicated PC, a capture card or some USB web cams. Now security doors you will use electromagnetic locks you do not deed more then 650 lbs. Fire & smoke and a sound discriminators for the windows, an interface board or and old security system sends a signal to the PC. For the windows use shutters will locks, this is the most likely place for a break in other then back door. And notion detector are a plus but not always needed if you are using software, but low lucks cameras. No need for an over priced security company, just dose things plus internet and a large UPS system and for backup a USB dongle for cell communication. And if you are using cameras are to be placed at eye level, and color is not a requirement just a sharp view. Pin hole cameras are good but remember they only have a 3 foot distance view, and are wide angle view limit then to eye level around 5 feet of the floor. The PC some ware out of the way, a most is good ventilation and large hard drive. How much is the cost, that is up to you how far are you willing to go. The software is free, the rest is all up to you.

    1. Re:this are the things that you will need. by lott11 · · Score: 1

      Now there are a few things that you need to know. Some of this things have to use electricity so if the power is out they are dead. And some others are just very costly, and some others can be purchase from China. Now what dose mater is that if you are monitoring it, do not use the commercial out puts. Just use your PC out puts use a good password and no card key entries if possible. Like any that WIFI or RF signals, no veritable density card or proximity card they all can be copied. Use magnetic cards with pin code entries as a second layer, and I do not mean magnetic strip cards. I mean magnetic pole density cards they cost more but can not be copied as fast. Some of the hardware is cheap if you look a round, like I stated buy used or new from china. But use then as the triggers to your PC not as the end out put to the outside. As for the rest just look some of the things are already out there just modify then for your use. Best of lock and hope this helps.