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Ditch Linux For Windows 10 On Your Raspberry Pi With Microsoft's IoT Kit
An anonymous reader writes: Partnering with Adafruit, Microsoft has announced the Windows IoT Core Starter Kit. The $75 kit comes comes with an SD card preloaded with Windows 10 IoT. According to the Raspberry Pi blog: "The pack is available with a Pi 2 for people who are are new to Raspberry Pi or who'd like a dedicated device for their projects, or without one for those who'll be using a Pi they already own. The box contains an SD card with Windows 10 Core and a case, power supply, wifi module and Ethernet cable for your Pi; a breadboard, jumper wires and components including LEDs, potentiometers and switches; and sensors for light, colour, temperature and pressure. There's everything you need to start building."
As if.
Redmond pi?
No thanks!
why the hell would I want to do that?
Build your own Raspberry Pi kit. It will be cheaper.
No thanks.
No, thank you.
Dumping a system that works and does what I want for a system that spies on me and will change at the whim of its maker with but a "swallow bitch" if I complain.
Decisions, decisions...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
As if IoT wasn't insecure enough already - let's put the BIGGEST consumer malware target into everything!
Anyone else think this is bad idea?
A thousand pounds of wood moving at 300 feet per minute. Don't get in the way.
is the year that Windows will replace Linux on the IoT.
wmd on credit religious franchise psychopaths genociders still abusing the earth shattering zeus weapon... what version of this is supposed to work for us? hang on to our hemispheres,, the best has yet to come... thanks again moms
Assuming you can wipe the SD card and put Linux back on it.
Ha.. funny.
But no!
'why' for developers and 'why' for microsoft as well.
For developers, MS is so mismatched to the sensibilities of the embedded space, business and technology wise. Picking up the ball and going home from one linux to another or even to something like a BSD is easy enough if you have to. If you commit to MS ecosystem, there's no where to go if things pan out poorly (e.g, Windows mobile, windows ce, windows phone (at least 7 was a dead end), Windows RT). MS has a terrible track record in this space, even when their wheelhouse of desktop application ecosystem has some relevance, where the Pi has pretty much no relevance (it may have video out, but there are better choices for even ARM based graphical systems than Pi). MS ecosystem is in general so *alien* compared to the rest of the industry, you *really* have to believe in it to commit. It's silly to bet your project on MS's technology and ongoing commitment to the platform in this market.
For MS, what do they hope to get out of this? They are coming into this from behind, against a competitor that gives away for free and where the entire ecosystem is tilted against them. They are going in to explore with no royalties, and no path to profit, or even revenue. Incidentally this has some resemblance to when they tried to break into 'supercomputing' nearly a decade ago, only to give up and let the resources mostly scatter to the winds when they figured out that there was no money to be made in the market, despite the prestige.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
And you will get a free update offer for Windows11!
And once it's not free anymore we will force it onto you!
Sensorinformation Privacy "Sharing" E.U.L.A.
You hereby transfering all your sensory data from the PI to the microsoft cloud.
Why would I run windows on it? One of the main advantages of Windows is all the programs compiled for it, but those are all compiled for x86 windows, not Windows 10 on Arm. Apparently it won't even run office.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
No, thanks.
http://hackaday.com/2015/08/13/raspberry-pi-and-windows-10-iot-core-a-huge-letdown/
It's fun to listen to people as they fire up windows 10 on their Pi for the first time exclaim "What? Thats it? Where's the rest of it?"
NO!
n/t
Seriously. No. Not ever. I learned my lesson a long time ago and I won't have a Micro$oft anything run as my server. I'd sooner go back to a C=64.
Great! Now I can hook my Windows Media Center PC right up to my TV and . . . Oh, wait. Never mind.
People with any sort of technical or scientific inclination are moving *away* from your shitty OS. Not towards it. It's bad enough the Raspberry Pi is anti-freedom and there are huge blobs still infecting it in Linux-land let alone having everything running on it be inaccessible to hackers.
Finally a use case for the Raspberry Pi.
Finally an OS for the IoT. Now it can actually be a thing.
Microsoft needs to put down the pipe or pass it already.
A major goal in life is to REMOVE windows from my life, not to put it in more places. If it weren't for games, I could eliminate the contagion completely.
Ain't no chance in hell I'm putting windows on Things(tm) in my house that might do something important, like climate control. Every russian and chinese hacker in the world will be having thermostat wars in my house, and I've already got a Wife(1.0) for that particular feature.
Hi, thank you so much for the offer but I'm afraid I'll have to decline. It was really nice of you to offer, and believe me I feel terrible about this, but I'm not going to be able switch from Linux to Windows 10 on my rasbpi. Hope this doesn't hurt your feelings in any way and I apologize profusely for not being able to use your fine product.
As an aside, I also hope this won't affect your intentions with the data you've been collecting from my Windows 10 desktop machine. I still think your company is awesome and please don't consider this as an affront and thereby sell or distribute the personal information you've attained. Pretty please.
Thanks for all of the high-quality software you've shared with us over the years. Hope your day is a happy and productive one.
- Steve
Will it be able to playback netflix?
"When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!" -- Cave Johnson
just trying to make sure all iterations of "no" are covered.
You get free and Free with Linux. Windows 10 puts your Rpi under Microsoft's control. Microsoft can buy their own Rpis. Keep yours.
How much would you pay to have a software development platform that is more difficult to use? $25? $50? no, for only $74.99 you too can run a limited subset of Windows kernel on Raspberry Pi! (plus $0.01 handling)
This is sort of like the opposite philosophy of Ardunio, instead of a simple IDE where people can get things done you can have a hairy ball of software and expensive tools where few people (if any) get to making their projects go.
Linux on the target plus eclipse/emacs/vi/whatever on the host is all you really need to make a RPi go. There are cross compile suites for Windows and Mac, and they tend to integrate with most IDEs (maybe not so well with Visual Studio, but if you really want that option I guess Window IoT is made just for you)
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
MS seems to be bending over backwards to has this OS installed everywhere for FREE.
No Corp does anything for free.
e.g. Lenovo is probably getting getting paid by the Chinese Gov. for its info.
Has anyone "Followed the money" ?
Obama's legacy: (N)othing (S)ecure (A)nywhere and (T)error (S)imulation (A)dministration
There were a ton of misconceptions and two tons of lies/crap (can't tell which) going on over at the Ars Technica comments thread about this earlier today.
1) Windows 10 IoT is free. There is no paid-for version of WinIoT. (And you thought "WinCE" was a bad nickname...) .Net Micro Framework (NetMF), which is a stripped-down version of the standard .Net Framework (NetFX). It shares virtually nothing in common with the old .Net Compact Framework (NetCF), and is, in fact, less stripped-down than that. .Net and the rest of Windows. Nobody (reasonable) gets belligerent and calls you an asshole because you use Linux, so have the same consideration for those that work with, or even *gasp* like, WinIoT.
2) WinIoT is NOT based on the main WinNT kernel. It's based on good-old Windows Embedded Handheld, not Windows Embedded Compact. WinEC is based on WinXP, and is thus part of mainline NT, but WinEH is based on WinCE.
3) It uses
4) If you like Linux, then use it. The reason to use WinIoT is if you already have a ton of experience working with
5) WinIoT doesn't spy. It's too stripped-down to do most of that telemetry crap, and people (even "true believers") would piss/bitch/moan/threaten-mob-action if they were to waste precious processor cycles on an embedded platform for that crap anyway.
6) WinIoT doesn't auto-update. Again, people would be pissed off if their "things" suddenly stopped working because an update broke compatibility. Not gonna happen. (Also, it's WinCE, so it never had an update cycle to begin with.)
Now that that's all out of the way, there can be a civil discussion (read: no discussion, because this is the internet, and everyone hates everyone else).
Windows 10 has apps like HALO and OFFICE, unlike Luddite Linux that only runs Luddite software!
Windows 10 on Raspberry Pi makes the Raspberry Pi useful, since now you can play Halo and edit Word documents on a $35 computer!
Apps!
Don't buy Raspberry Pi products. They are hatemongering anti-gamers.
I remember when Microsoft used to try to compete against us with Windows NT replacing OS/2 (OS/2!!!) on ATM machines. It took them a very, very long time.
I remember when Microsoft used to try to compete against IBM embedded PC/DOS on handhelds. It took them a very, very long time.
Now I shudder at the thought that they might just impact on IoT. They've started late, and it may take them a very, very long time but they are a relentless, well-funded and Government approved software company. This is a genuine threat, people and you shouldn't just laugh it off.
I prefer to know what's in my pie.
It's for those that can't handle real programming!
Now your projects can be vulnerable to most viruses on the internet! Use windows for Pi today!
Articles like these and the number of comments point out to the sad demise of the once popular news site.
Farewell, /.
Wow, it's like time-travel. I can go back to the bad-old days of linux, where we had very limited hardware support, no drivers, had to use exact hardware, and essentially nothing runs on it.
I think I'll pass.
You're going the wrong way!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_akwHYMdbsM
PlanetVulkan.com
To start with, I have to dedicate a PC to Windows 10 in order to do Windows development for my Pi 2?
.NET APIs, viruses, trojans, and whatnot infesting on the Windows 10 ecosystem.
Or, I can continue to run Raspbian (Debian) on the Pi and host development on the Pi, or do cross-development on other Linux hosts or my Mac.
I know the overhead/footprint Raspbian imposes, and I know how to carve out the bits I don't need.
How do I do that with Windows 10?
Easy! Stick to Raspbian!
Oh, I realize I won't have access to the latest development tools like Visual Studio,
Thanks, I'll stick with Raspbian on the Pi, and not having to support a separate Windows 10 box as well.
REF: What's in the box?
Windows 10 on an 8GB SD card ... will it even have enough space for the first run of Windows Update?
Because Windows on ARM has been nothing but a giant success so far.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
... for the extras they include: the pots, proto board, case, etc. (Roughly what I recall paying for something like this from Amazon.)
One could always buy one of these kits and do the normal thing: "dd" a copy of a RPi-compatiible Linux distribution onto that SD card.
CUR ALLOC 20195.....5804M
From the comments it's clear that people think this is a terrible idea, and on a somewhat pro-Linux site that's to be expected. But it should be noted that this kit was way more popular than Adafruit though and they sold out rather quickly with people still asking for it.
It may just be that some people like coding against Windows and are more comfortable with it than Linux.
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"Install spyware on your Raspberry Pi"
Funniest thing I've seen all day! What a stupid and pointless idea.
Hmm not that the PI will runn them (and it was nor designed to) but to answer your ludditre software claim I'll sugest you take a look at Davinci resolve (sadly ar rhis time only the USD 999 studio verson runs on linux but who knows wat the future will bring, indications are prommising as a free version is avalable both for OSX and Windows) it is considered the sranfard for color gradibg and latly they hav allso added a full nle, and Blac magic design is allso making a linux verson of their compositing/vfx package Fusion. So unless you consider these applications luddite imho you have just been shown that at least in part you are sadly misstsken
Woops there I did it again, why can I never learn to ignore possible trolls?
MSFT Win10 uninstall is now 45 pct complete ...
-- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
Bwahahahahaha
Ugh, I cannot imagine a reason to do this at all.
Kinda reminds me of the scene from Kingsmen
Mr. Valentine (on stage):
"Free Calls"
"Free Internet"
"For Everyone"
"Forever"
would anyone even think of doing that... wait... are you high? can I have some?
Non sequitur: Your facts are uncoordinated.
To be fair, windows seems to have pretty good penetration into the embedded market already. Heck, I see random boxes with screens frozen on the windows desktop all the time.
My favorite experience is waiting at airport security a couple of years ago - there were screens denoting which lanes were open and which were closed. Apparently each screen was an individual windows box, and every single one would randomly crash and reboot every minute or two. Made for a nice light show while waiting mindlessly in line.
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
Unfortunately Windows 10 will be constrained by the limited memory and speed on the Pi.
So to quote someone about Developers, Developers, Developers, All the apps are already built for Raspberian that can't currently run on Windows on the Pi.
I bought a couple of the SBC to run Falcon Pi Player and run a small version of Asterisk for my SIP home office phone system. I don't know how either could possibly run under the overhead of Windows 10.
This is only two examples of the many wonderful things being done on the Pi without Windows.
Want to see what a Pi can do without Windows 10? https://www.youtube.com/watch?... One of the greatest animated light displays last year had the sequence and music played on a Pi. Great timing, no glitches, no crashes. Why mess it up trying to run this under Windows.
The truth shall set you free!
"They can reuse a lot of their existing software with minimal changes, and reuse their existing developers. Real embedded and Linux experts are much less common and much more expensive than .NET monkeys."
WinPi comes with a stripped down version of Windows that doesn't even run a desktop. Most of the software written for desktop Windows is gui-fied by default.
Any software that runs without the need for a GUI tends to be common development languages and environments that also runs on Linux as well, so any advantage is negated. This is besides the fact that Windows software development tends to be business-oriented which is not a market the Raspberry Pi is known to serve well.
So, no, you can't just stick in a .NET monkey into your Raspberry Pi Project.
LOL no.
On a Lenove Z580 Core i7 laptop, Windows 10 was taking over three times as long just to reach the login prompt as it takes me to boot, log in, and have my Ubuntu 15.04 installation ready to use.
Why in the world would I want to use that crapfest on underpowered hardware?
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7958349&cid=50460317
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7988275&cid=50494871
Just came across this one after reading all current comments on this article.
https://senk9.wordpress.com/checklists/windows-10-privacy-checklist/
Basically Microsoft said fuck the world. Global backstab. There is absolutely no good reason to use Windows 10 on a Raspberry Pi. Ever. Do you notice how Microsoft's global spyware situation hasn't been in dinosaur media much? The only place I saw it was on Fox... "you can install an app to stop it from spying..."
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/08/05/stop-windows-10-spying-dead-in-its-tracks-with-one-free-app/
So it's a lie. How could you install an app that prevents new spyware installs and modifications in updates that you can't block?
http://q13fox.com/2015/08/17/is-windows-10-really-a-privacy-nightmare/
Didn't bother reading the q13fox article.. but skimmed to the end. "Windows 10 is not nearly as bad as what you’ve read." --Fox news says.
OK. I wouldn't expect anything more honest from MSNBC since it literally stands for http://www.abbreviations.com/term/374902
Microsoft National Broadcasting Company
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC
There are shills all over every high traffic site including this one and especially this one. Everybody should be leaving Windows in droves. Linux is way better anyway. Now queue the shills wanting to argue with me... an argument that they have not nor can win because I've used all OS's for decades.
This one stood out as shiny shill in the current comments on this thread so far, but there are others.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8084215&cid=50616457
Malware "on Windows" is moot when the whole Windows OS itself is malware.
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html
What we need are game companies to turn down the payola and compile all of their games for Linux too. They do it for PS4 which is a forked BSD kernel. Everything will surely run better on Linux. We also need OEM PC's to think principle > money too and ship pre-built PC's with Linux at least dual boot... if not choose-your-OS. Shipping PC's pre-compromised by Windows 10 should not be looked at passively.
I guess the primary reason people don't grasp how actually fucked up Microsoft is... is because they were too busy with their lives to pay attention. They just want to trust their computer. Microsoft has gone full betrayal. I type fast, sorry for the long book here. Need links? Ask before this thread gets archived. Also queue the shills and tin-foil accusations. This isn't my first rodeo.
If anything they should be up front AND PAY YOU to give you this much access to your PC and life. This wouldn't be accepted of course, so they disingenuously advertise it as "Free" when it is not free in any sense of the word. You can not just say hey send me a disc, or just go to a site and download it. You have to have paid for a different version previously whether bundled or retail box. Not free. Spyware on your system? The whole system is spyware? That's not free either.
Why on Earth would I want to ditch an engineer based OS (Linux) and replace it with utter marketing garbage from Microspy?
A PI with Microspy is only fit for the trash can in my home.
Linux Mint rocks too much for me to downgrade to Microspy on any platform.
I just enjoy MS playing the underdog and going under while I'm sipping my coffee.
For ATMs, Windows 8 - just the Metro part - would have been ideal. Even Windows RT. That would make it cheaper (due to the ARM CPUs being so commoditized) while the interface of big icons on the home screen is just perfect for an ATM interface, no matter how bad it was on a desktop. It's a pity Microsoft didn't recognize that opportunity and pursue it, as opposed to coming up w/ the one size fits all Windows 10 platform
Why would anyone want a proprietary OS on an open source piece of hardware? I have NEVER seen a Microsoft product that was suitable for embedded types of systems, especially current hardware such as ARM or MIPS processors. And the Windows phone operating systems were so successful that they dropped the entire phone project, axing over 20,000 engineers, including yours truly... I don't trust Microsoft one whit, and never will.
why in the hell would i ever do that, this is /. go away you troll, if anything we should be screaming SWITCH TO LINUX NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
until SystemD pulls in Windows 12. At no extra cost!
I need an expensive Windows 10 PC to even start developing with Win IoT??? From Microsoft's Get Started guide - http://ms-iot.github.io/conten... "Make sure you are running the public release of Windows 10 (version 10240) or better. You can upgrade from here. If you are already running Windows 10, you can find your current build number by clicking the start button and typing “winver” and hitting enter." With a Raspbian/Linux based Pi kit I can be coding within minutes on the Pi itself I don't need an additional PC! This is just a way to shove desktop Windows 10 down people's throats! Again, as if!!
Seems microsoft has again taken to slashdot to place their disguised advertisements. Someone has to pay to keep this site up I guess?
This will be untold frustration.
Microsoft will ultimately want to unify the Windows experience on all desktop, mobile, and IoT devices ... I predict Win11 will remove the GUI from the desktop and mobile to match the IoT experience.
This is a stepping stone to the Windows Distributed Internet of ThIngs, which will be known as WidioT
Important detail that may be missed:
This $75 kit does NOT include the Raspberry Pi, that Ada Fruit wants an additional $40 for.
This kit with Raspberry Pi 2 costs $115
I know you replace your morning bowl of cereal with a bowl of shit dont you.
Now I can have a Blue LED of Death on my Pi?
"So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)
Tell us another one, hypocrite - You admitted using admin priv yourself & how else could I programmatically update hosts minus it inside Windows, hmmm?
ANSWER:
I have to do it that way, to protect AND speed up users plus make their connections online more reliable!
(The latter of which also functions to make users faster than adblocking alone, by resolving host-domain names to IP address from hosts cached in RAM locally - far faster than calling out to remote DNS & less complex + less overheads ridden vs. locally installed DNS (less power, & FAR LESS if done on a separate machine)).
---
Aha! What's this Coren22 admits?
"Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)
See subject & BOTH quotes from you contradicting yourself!
(& a REAL security pro, Aryeh Goretsky of NOD32/ESET agrees hosts = good security -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment... ).
APK
P.S.=> LMAO - "EAT YOUR WORDS" you hypocritical STUPID little technically incompetent troll wannabe security guru, lol - you're constantly trolling me, your post history shows it - NOW, you're getting a DOSE OF YOUR OWN MEDICINE (How's it taste? Better than how "eating your words" does I bet!)
... apk
Hahaha... No. Let's load McAffee and a bunch of missing .dll files to go with it. Hell we can even see how many auto loading programs we can get to make the boot process take 20 minutes. Then when I throw the Pi at a wall in frustration (not the first time windows has made me break stuff), we can pray we got the product protection plan.
no.
And I suppose if I want to change the operating system code (as an educational experience) the source code is included? Yeah, I thought so. =;-)
As someone once said, a university that uses Microsoft OSs and apps in its CS program is like trying to teach automotive technology using cars with the hoods welded shut.
Looks a lot like "ID-IoT". Maybe the joke is on us...vtm
Well, they are "embedded systems" in that they are computers embedded in a mechanical system, but:
As such, throwing hardware at the problem to make the programming easier seems like an entirely rational approach.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
Garbage!
My respect for Adafruit just fell into a pit.
Won't ever be buying anything from them again.
Sad to see them join the world of sinister sellouts.
Without GUI. Raspi mostly is for kids, so they learn lots of stuff about microsoft products to get an output with this kit. Smart stratetegy..!
The headline of this post is an insult for what this site once was.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.