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There Is No .bro In Brotli: Google/Mozilla Engineers Nix File Type As Offensive
theodp writes: Several weeks ago, Google launched Brotli, a new open source compression algorithm for the web. Since then, controversy broke out over the choice of 'bro' as the content encoding type. "We are hoping to establish a file ending .bro for brotli compressed files, a command line tool 'bro' for compressing and uncompressing brotli files, and a accept/content encoding type 'bro'," explained Google software engineer Jyrki Alakuijala. "Can I talk you out of it?," replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus. "'bro' has a gender problem, even though the dual meaning is unintentional. It comes of[f] misogynistic and unprofessional due to the world it lives in." Despite some pushback from commenters, a GitHub commit made by Google's Zoltan Szabadka shows that there will be no '.bro' in Brotli. "I have asked a feminist friend from the North American culture-sphere, and she advised against bro," explained Alakuijala. "We have found a compromise that satisfies us, so we don't need to discuss this further. Even if we don't understand why people are upset from our cultural standpoint, they would be (unnecessarily) upset and this is enough reason not to use it."
Call it .sis or .vag, that'll work, right?
Male bad, female good?
Who says that?
Get a sense of humor.
Dog is my co-pilot.
I guess the FAT filesystem has to go too.
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Even PC principal says .bro
I guess they just didn't want to throw down.
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Call it 'Bratli' and use '.bra' as an extension instead; problem solved! :-)
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Brazil is gonna have a hell of a time with the Olympics next year.
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Is anyone going to do something about Symbian's SIS file format? I feel unfairly pressured and discriminated against, and I demand that Nokia immediately change it. Right now.
I feel it ungentlemanly to swear, and so I apologize most sincerely, but this is fu**in' ridiculous.
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Have the claims of victimhood progressed so far that this is considered offensive? Wow.
Fuck those shrieking harpies. /yes, I am being offensive on purpose.
-- Will program for bandwidth
...and they want their 3-letter filename extensions back. Seriously, "br" would be fine, as well as "brot" or even "brotli". It amazes me that, 20 years after MS/DOS basically reached its end-of-life, people are still thinking within those constraints.
Sit, Ubuntu, sit. Good dog.
I invite posters to list below everything that offends. I expect a long list, so I'll start the ball (!) rolling:
The Minnesota football team perpetuates the stereotype of violent northern Europeans, bent on raping and pillaging. Their name and mascot must be banished - they are deeply offensive and racist.
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
Centuries ago, you got into serious problems if you ran around claiming you have a mission to fulfil the devil gave you. Now, this gets replaced by feminism, and everybody who doesn't join in the holy movement is an infidel who should be punished. The level of intolerance towards people who aren't "feminists" is raising and raising.
If they really wanted to help women, they should go to india, help solving its rape problem, or to saudi arabia, where women get stoned when they sleep with men who aren't their husband.
Damn feminists, grow a pair!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Respect is something you earn. Whining rarely accomplishes that.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The end of the patriarchy. And it is awesome. 50000 years of injustice are about to be unravelled.
Because nothing says "We're strong enough to take over!" like screaming "I need to be protected!" whenever dealing with such horrible things as "offensive file extensions".
So now a gender is "misogynistic"?
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Yet another example of political-correctness gone insane. People are not upset, some SJWarrier decides to be insulted by 'bro' and therefore it must be changed. Anyone who says different is a misogynist. Enough of the PC bullshit already. If some people decide to be insulted by some aspect of contemporary culture then that's their prerogative. It's got nothing to do with me, I am under no compulsion to adjust my behaviour or opinions to suit them.
Frat boys call each other bro, such that it becomes part of a stereotype.
Feminists start using the word as a slur to evoke the stereotype in order to ridicule anyone they perceive as too masculine.
People start using bro ironically in a totally different context.
Feminists lose their shit and call *that* "offensive".
I'm guessing what they're really upset about is their insult losing its negative connotation.
Except .vag is taken by ADPCM audio on the PlayStation 1 and 2.
Constant total IQ being spread out over an ever increasing number of people?
For the sake of the mental health of people like me, please stick with the .bro extension.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
And nothing says "I'm smart" like falling for an obvious troll.
It's so obvious, it's hard to *not* use.
Could even have an mascot of such a warrior.
Anyone who's read any sci-fi and thinks that slaving a pair of waldos to your hand movements is racist is messed up. Good luck to the librarians censoring all those stories. Master and slave drives are perfectly acceptable, since primary and secondary storage devices can mean many different things.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
rar is not free software, and I believe the open source part of it isn't enough to compress but merely decompress a .rar archive. So in this case it's necessary to reinvent the wheel. Also, a web compression format has different needs to an compression format primarily used for disk-based archival. Web formats need to be fast or your cat videos will take forever and a second to load. Offline formats could be optimized for size so you can store more kittens in your hard drive. Note that there are general purpose compression formats (rar, xz, bz2) for compressing random files, and specialized formats optimized for particular file or media types (eg: jpeg, flac, mp4)
EFI is the new boot standard, which will probably be the standard for 30 years or so. It boots from a FAT volume. On FAT, the real file names (which must be unique) are 8.3. Long "names" are stored as a secondary attribute of the file. Thus, three-letter extensions are still a major standard, and will be for decades.
And yet, somehow, the men of slashdot are the ones that have their panties in a bunch.
No, we just like to bait SJWs because it's such tremendous fun. The most harmless of words can make them explode into a dazzling display of insane babble... there's nowhere else you can have as much fun with so little effort.
the men of slashdot
Oh, and can I just say... SEXIST!
are the ones that have their panties in a bunch.
TRANSEXIST!
Report to the Re-Education camp for processing, Citizen Anonymous Coward.
GIMP is fantastic software, but it's audience is tiny relative to Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, Tinder, etc. If you're aiming at a large audience you've got to mind your PR a little better than calling your product GIMP.
The limited use of GIMP has very little to do with its name, and very, very, very much to do with its appalling, abysmal, clunky, counterintuitive user interface. For example, developers who do stupid things like removing the ability to save as anything other than GIMP's own .xcf format from the 'save as' dialog, thereby making it even less intuitive and even less compatible with any other GUI app out there.
I mean, seriously, when I have to search the web to find out how to save a .jpg with a new GIMP release, the UI is fscked.
Think about it for a second. Things are so great for women in the western world that this is what generates complaints. When the complaints are I get hit with rocks trying to go to school, or they cut off my clitoris then you know you are living in a hell hole. Those women don't have time to worry about .bro extensions. When it gets down to the only complaints being file extensions it's means thing are pretty damn good.
I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
I guess you're in the majority, then.
I assume the objection is a gag. Nobody is this brainless.
SJW's are, so are 3rd wave feminists. Which of course is why you now see popular culture starting to mocking them. And why 82% of women no longer call themselves feminists, rather they're following egalitarianism or something along those lines. They already know that modern feminism has a man-hatred problem, and large numbers of people see a serious problem with SJWs and their public attacks on people, and being perpetually outraged.
Om, nomnomnom...
"Can I talk you out of it?," replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus. "'bro' has a gender problem, even though the dual meaning is unintentional. It comes of[f] misogynistic and unprofessional due to the world it lives in."
Patrick, YOU are the one with a problem.
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People conceding to irrational objections, just because it will avoid bothering unreasonable people.
Why? Because it sets a detrimental precedent that other developers should do the same.
Then suddenly, we're going to have to get rid of programs like "Bash" as a login shell, because it sounds so violent.
Also, "Master Slave" clustering/replication schemes are going to need to be renamed, because the reference to 'Slave server' may offend people.
The rational thing is to change the extension to something neutral. It's just a technical detail and does not matter that much, so it's sensible to just be polite to those idi... humans who feel there is a problem.
Of course once you're polite, you get a bunch of other idi... humans saying they find the change of the extension without a technical reason offensive, and would like it changed back, failing to understand that they want it changed back for an equally non-technical "feel-good" reason.
Oh the irony.
Obviously it would be different if there was a good technical reason to demand just that one particular extension, but there isn't. It'd also be different if the new extension (instead of the act of changing it) was potentially as offensive.
replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus
Pretty sure that should read "replied Mozilla SJW engineer Patrick McManus"
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Brot means bread in German. In some German speaking regions brotli means little roll. The world doesn't have English as mother tongue.
And we'll explain in the man page why it's called .bro...
The default position is the neutral. Listening to your argument, testing its validity and acting accordingly. Yes, dismissing your argument before it is made on grounds of your $minority_group is wrong. But thinking that it is valid because you belong to your $minority_group is just as wrong. Your argument is neither more nor less valid or important because you are you, unless there is a reason for me to consider it more or less valuable based on prior experiences with you.
Respect is something gained by showing the worth of your argument in past discussions. For example, I respect the opinion of Mr. Hawking in the area of astrophysics simply because he has shown in the past on more than one occasion that he knows what he is talking about and hence he earned enough respect that I will accept his argument as valid rather than as something that needs proof by default. This may change should he choose to abuse his position of someone I respect as an authority on the matter. So far I see no reason for this, though.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
There are at least two serious flaws in your reasoning. 1) Just because someone else has it worse, does not mean that things are okay for another. 2) Calling attention to one problem does not imply that it is the only, or even the worst, problem.
A guy with a headache isn't unjustified in complaining about the pain just because someone else is dying from lung cancer. A guy dying of lung cancer is equally justified in complaining about a headache.
If you still don't see the absurdity, consider that your reasoning can be applied to dismiss any complaint, no matter how horrifying. Just taking your example: "I get hit with rocks trying to go to school" would you reply: "You should be grateful. Other kids have to dogde bullets on their way to school. They've got real problems."
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You think that's bad? Linux even contains an 'unzip' command! And the poor file can't even defend itself! That's sexist! *hyperventilate*
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The third flaw is that fixing the problems like lack of education for women and FGM is complex and difficult, and will take a long time. Fixing this required a couple of quick comments. It's not like it took significant effort or time, or detracted from other efforts.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Getting rid of gender-based prejudice is a noble goal and one I support. Censoring a three letter file extension that is not even misogynistic is just madness. I hope you enjoy having President Trump as a result of this kind of insanity.
Yes, "bro" is offensive, and I say that as a white male middle class techie.
OK, enough of this.
"Bro" is short for brother. There is little arguing that. Within religious contexts, the masses are commonly referred to as "brothers and sisters", which is a term of endearment, not disrespect or offensiveness
So, now I ask you, fellow white male middle class techie, WHEN exactly did "bro" become so offensive to YOU or society and WHY?
I think it's rather obvious why the term "nigger" is derogatory and offensive regardless of which ethnicity is using the term, but trying to label "bro" or "brother" as offensive is just stupid and overly sensitive, and I have two words for those who are offended by it. Grow up.
I think we've already got several relatively good web compression formats, though honestly I think .bro is a wonderful name for a format intended to make files smaller. (Is she wanting to hold off for an even better tiny dick joke to use it for?)
See page 537 of the UEFI spec. A file -can- a- have an LFN attribute (long file name). It -must- have a file name, which is 8.3.
As I said in GP, the canonical filename for FAT (used by UEFI) is the 8.3 name. All files must have a name, and those names are 8.3. A file -can- also have a LFN (long file name) which is stored as an attribute of the file.