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There Is No .bro In Brotli: Google/Mozilla Engineers Nix File Type As Offensive
theodp writes: Several weeks ago, Google launched Brotli, a new open source compression algorithm for the web. Since then, controversy broke out over the choice of 'bro' as the content encoding type. "We are hoping to establish a file ending .bro for brotli compressed files, a command line tool 'bro' for compressing and uncompressing brotli files, and a accept/content encoding type 'bro'," explained Google software engineer Jyrki Alakuijala. "Can I talk you out of it?," replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus. "'bro' has a gender problem, even though the dual meaning is unintentional. It comes of[f] misogynistic and unprofessional due to the world it lives in." Despite some pushback from commenters, a GitHub commit made by Google's Zoltan Szabadka shows that there will be no '.bro' in Brotli. "I have asked a feminist friend from the North American culture-sphere, and she advised against bro," explained Alakuijala. "We have found a compromise that satisfies us, so we don't need to discuss this further. Even if we don't understand why people are upset from our cultural standpoint, they would be (unnecessarily) upset and this is enough reason not to use it."
Call it .sis or .vag, that'll work, right?
Male bad, female good?
Who says that?
Get a sense of humor.
Dog is my co-pilot.
is happening to the population of this planet?
More specifically, an alphabetical listing problem, as referenced by the modern maxim: "bro" before "ho".
Pretending this is my office full of bitter coworkers..
I guess the FAT filesystem has to go too.
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Even PC principal says .bro
I guess they just didn't want to throw down.
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Call it 'Bratli' and use '.bra' as an extension instead; problem solved! :-)
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Brazil is gonna have a hell of a time with the Olympics next year.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Is anyone going to do something about Symbian's SIS file format? I feel unfairly pressured and discriminated against, and I demand that Nokia immediately change it. Right now.
I feel it ungentlemanly to swear, and so I apologize most sincerely, but this is fu**in' ridiculous.
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
The Urban Dictionary says "breeze" refers to an attractive woman. Not sure how that fits exclusively with the LG[B]T crowd.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
So here we are re-inventing the wheel again. What new features are these people creating that rar has done for decades now?
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Have the claims of victimhood progressed so far that this is considered offensive? Wow.
Fuck those shrieking harpies. /yes, I am being offensive on purpose.
-- Will program for bandwidth
Brotli is actually about ethics in gaming journalism.
His name is Christian Biere.
Man blir trött av att gå och göra ingenting.
...and they want their 3-letter filename extensions back. Seriously, "br" would be fine, as well as "brot" or even "brotli". It amazes me that, 20 years after MS/DOS basically reached its end-of-life, people are still thinking within those constraints.
Sit, Ubuntu, sit. Good dog.
I invite posters to list below everything that offends. I expect a long list, so I'll start the ball (!) rolling:
The Minnesota football team perpetuates the stereotype of violent northern Europeans, bent on raping and pillaging. Their name and mascot must be banished - they are deeply offensive and racist.
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
Looky here now; women, muslims, negroes, brown people, fat people, short people, homeless people, ugly people, retarded people, blind people and others frequently do have disadvantages. They become sensitive to certain words, gestures, behavior, innuendo...
It costs little to show a little respect. Maybe you are tall, wealthy and handsome. Maybe you don't fully understand others' perspective, but a small token of respect can be very important to them and might even come back to reward you. OK, probably not, but still...
...omphaloskepsis often...
Centuries ago, you got into serious problems if you ran around claiming you have a mission to fulfil the devil gave you. Now, this gets replaced by feminism, and everybody who doesn't join in the holy movement is an infidel who should be punished. The level of intolerance towards people who aren't "feminists" is raising and raising.
If they really wanted to help women, they should go to india, help solving its rape problem, or to saudi arabia, where women get stoned when they sleep with men who aren't their husband.
Damn feminists, grow a pair!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Use of terms "master and slave" in reference to disk drives considered politically unacceptable: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/master.asp (Nov 2003)
It is reasonable to not to offend unneedfully, but it is also reasonable not to look for the chance take offence when offence is not intended.
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to fork it ... or forking sounds too anti-feminist/lgbt
Lose it.
Of course.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
But really, wouldn't you like a good bro-job?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Bullshit like this is why we have bullshit like this (an article that appeared just a little while before this one).
Do you know why feminists never use linux? The command-line manual pages...
So now a gender is "misogynistic"?
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Yet another example of political-correctness gone insane. People are not upset, some SJWarrier decides to be insulted by 'bro' and therefore it must be changed. Anyone who says different is a misogynist. Enough of the PC bullshit already. If some people decide to be insulted by some aspect of contemporary culture then that's their prerogative. It's got nothing to do with me, I am under no compulsion to adjust my behaviour or opinions to suit them.
Zip is offensive too:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki...
http://www.urbandictionary.com...
Frat boys call each other bro, such that it becomes part of a stereotype.
Feminists start using the word as a slur to evoke the stereotype in order to ridicule anyone they perceive as too masculine.
People start using bro ironically in a totally different context.
Feminists lose their shit and call *that* "offensive".
I'm guessing what they're really upset about is their insult losing its negative connotation.
if so, meh, not that funny.
if not then shut the fuck up, morons. Jesus fucking christ. How will people ever get any work done if this is a fucking issue?
Except .vag is taken by ADPCM audio on the PlayStation 1 and 2.
For the sake of the mental health of people like me, please stick with the .bro extension.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
I assume the objection is a gag. Nobody is this brainless.
It's so obvious, it's hard to *not* use.
Could even have an mascot of such a warrior.
Anyone who's read any sci-fi and thinks that slaving a pair of waldos to your hand movements is racist is messed up. Good luck to the librarians censoring all those stories. Master and slave drives are perfectly acceptable, since primary and secondary storage devices can mean many different things.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
SJW infected political correct collectivist retards will eventually get ignored as companies see revenues drop and even open source projects aren't used and get ignored will become abandoned.
Nerds don't understand this fundamental point: just because it sounds clever to YOU doesn't mean that the rest of the world is going to find it just as benign. When your goal is to maximize adoption, the last thing you want to do is pick a bad name.
Object lesson: GIMP. Come on, seriously?
It's not a question of "is it offensive" so much as "is it a STUPID-SOUNDING NAME?" You might say, "well, people need to be less sensitive and grow the fuck up"--but the fact of the matter is that GIMP, despite being free, has never gained widespread adoption as a legitimate competitor to Photoshop, and part of that reason--even if a small part--is because it has a completely ridiculous-sounding name that people who need to use such programs for real work do not want to have to mention in correspondence.
Most rational people have better things to do than try to be offended by the name of a file extension or a piece of software. What next - getting upset over gender changer connectors? MANhole covers? MENstruation? HIStory? HERpes? (OK, I WOULD get upset over herpes :-)
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
"Engineering" society so that it is full of taboos against symbols does nothing to change the thinking behind the misuse of arbitrary symbols, all you do is set up the people that you are shielding so that it is even easier to land a psychological blow on them by using words they have been conditioned to react to and not desensitized from hearing or reading.
If you want to make the world better you should call white people "nigger" and women "bro".
Is that inclusive enough for you?
TERFs (teans-hating extreme radical feminists) see bogeymen everywhere. Gloria Steinem is a prime example of a TERF who seems more angry that she's a has-been than anything else, and is looking for easy targets in an attempt to get attention. Only problem is, times have changed and we're no longer soft targets for a cheap shot.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
And digg
EFI is the new boot standard, which will probably be the standard for 30 years or so. It boots from a FAT volume. On FAT, the real file names (which must be unique) are 8.3. Long "names" are stored as a secondary attribute of the file. Thus, three-letter extensions are still a major standard, and will be for decades.
There is nothing misogynistic about bro. Guy is not misogynistic. Dude is not misogynistic.
Buddy is not misogynistic. Bloke is not misogynistic. Cat, chap and fella are not misogynistic.
Gal is not misandristic. Babe is not misandristic. Cafebabe is not misandristic. Chick, doll and honey are not misandristic.
Mozilla though, may be misandristic.
Bro: Short for brother. You sniveling little cunt.
Everyone knows you can't be racist or sexist against white men.
Besides the Minnesota Vikings' biggest crime is perpetuating the myth of horned helmets.
Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power. -- Mussolini
GIMP is fantastic software, but it's audience is tiny relative to Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, Tinder, etc. If you're aiming at a large audience you've got to mind your PR a little better than calling your product GIMP.
The limited use of GIMP has very little to do with its name, and very, very, very much to do with its appalling, abysmal, clunky, counterintuitive user interface. For example, developers who do stupid things like removing the ability to save as anything other than GIMP's own .xcf format from the 'save as' dialog, thereby making it even less intuitive and even less compatible with any other GUI app out there.
I mean, seriously, when I have to search the web to find out how to save a .jpg with a new GIMP release, the UI is fscked.
Think about it for a second. Things are so great for women in the western world that this is what generates complaints. When the complaints are I get hit with rocks trying to go to school, or they cut off my clitoris then you know you are living in a hell hole. Those women don't have time to worry about .bro extensions. When it gets down to the only complaints being file extensions it's means thing are pretty damn good.
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Every time someone's used "bro" to refer to me, I've wanted to punch them in the face.
Why a woman was consulted on this, I have no idea. It's not a term that in any way concerns them or references them.
Please help metamoderate.
Nitpicking like that if anything just make it LESS inclusive, because subjects the very people they vow to protect to the ridicule.
Making the browser better and easier to understand, and giving more people access to computers is how you actually make it more inclusive.
so this dude asked his Canadian friend
i don't see a problem with a ".bro" file extention any more than having a street address that is 666
if you ask a Canadian 'feminist' about whether *anything* could be offensive they will answer in the affirmative
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"Can I talk you out of it?," replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus. "'bro' has a gender problem, even though the dual meaning is unintentional. It comes of[f] misogynistic and unprofessional due to the world it lives in."
Patrick, YOU are the one with a problem.
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People conceding to irrational objections, just because it will avoid bothering unreasonable people.
Why? Because it sets a detrimental precedent that other developers should do the same.
Then suddenly, we're going to have to get rid of programs like "Bash" as a login shell, because it sounds so violent.
Also, "Master Slave" clustering/replication schemes are going to need to be renamed, because the reference to 'Slave server' may offend people.
This politically correct crap is stupid. I have no problems with .bro and could suggest lots of other options that would probably be worse.
The rational thing is to change the extension to something neutral. It's just a technical detail and does not matter that much, so it's sensible to just be polite to those idi... humans who feel there is a problem.
Of course once you're polite, you get a bunch of other idi... humans saying they find the change of the extension without a technical reason offensive, and would like it changed back, failing to understand that they want it changed back for an equally non-technical "feel-good" reason.
Oh the irony.
Obviously it would be different if there was a good technical reason to demand just that one particular extension, but there isn't. It'd also be different if the new extension (instead of the act of changing it) was potentially as offensive.
Fucking fucking hells ass this world where you can't do anything anymore, because some selfish asshole gets offended evey time.
Looking at all the comments, I hope everybody realizes the irony here. You can't even change a file extension without a bunch of people getting their panties in a bunch :D
replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus
Pretty sure that should read "replied Mozilla SJW engineer Patrick McManus"
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The constant problem I see here are people who think that their tiny little tech community represents society. Let me hit a few with the clue bat, but the major whining comes from YOU, not your imaginary feminists or social warriors. The world is large, with people who have lives, feelings, social ties, community, family, careers, etc. that do not match your idea of how things should be. The real problem is looking down on other peoples' viewpoints without even talking with them to discover their mindset. "Stupid bitch" leads to lots of pats on the back, so it just continues.
Learn to communicate. Try to understand others that are not white male middle class techies. Yes, "bro" is offensive, and I say that as a white male middle class techie. Maybe we should name it .pdg for "pencil dicked geek." Because one is just as offensive as the other.
The only thing worse than a Democrat is a Republican.
I'm one of the maintainers of the docs for a well-known DBMS product. About once a year, I have to explain to someone that:
1. "Master" and "slave" have been standard terms in cybernetics for nearly a century.
2. We use these terms in our replication functionality and documentation (and have for about 20 years) precisely on account of (1).
3. If you go back far enough, you'll discover that everybody's ancestors were slaves of someone else's ancestors at some point in time. Including some of mine.
4. Anybody who still think they're offended by these terms needs to get over themselves. Seriously.
5. No, we're *not* going to make thousands of non-trivial changes in our products and we're *not* going to update thousands of pages of documentation to match because someone is (4) because they've never bothered to do a little reading and thus learn about (3) and maybe even (1).
Should the printer manufacturer be required to change its name to "Sister"?
Neither of these cases is anything like the libupskirt/Misaka business where the author of a package was apparently making a concerted effort to be an asshole, and using ".bro" as a file extension isn't, either.
... "bra".
Why not? That's just Swedish for "good", after all.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
There are legitimate issues to be addressed regarding equality for women in the IT field, this is not it. Things like wage equality, equal employment representation, and paid maternity leave in the USA deserve real attention. This kind of SJW sensitivity at the cost of (mostly their own) sanity discredits serious feminist concerns and the only benefit is making the accuser feel better about themselves. Truly sad.
It's easy for males who had more than 1000.000 years of granted supremacy over females to say that gender equality is easy to achieve. For females who only had half a century of something that is not achieved yet, every inch is important and has to be aknowleged bit by bit by the defacto rulers. Mainstream contributors always see minority rights as easy things to acquire. That's just not true. Equality is not achieved : look at salary graphs... You can come back with more SJW bashing now.
World is not safe. In particular for women. You can close your eyes and brag like a french rooster without any power as you are used to do, or do something about it. Every bit of change is worth it, even if you are too immature to think about half of your childrens which might statistically be female. You can do everything you like. That' just your choice to give this chance to all of your children. Now you can brag around and get back to SJW bashing.
World is not safe. In particular for women. You can close your eyes and brag like a french rooster without any power as you are used to do, or do something about it. Every bit of change is worth it, even if you are too immature to think about half of your childrens which might statistically be female. You can do everything you like. That' just your choice to give this chance to all of your children. Now you can brag around and get back to SJW bashing.
Um, please re-read what I wrote. Because either you totally misunderstood my post (pointing out the hypocrisy of criticizing the change of extension), or I misunderstand your reply to it.
So I suppose you didn't catch this part of the summary? "Can I talk you out of it?," replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus.
Someone tells them that in North American culture that extension carries a connotation they didn't realize.
No, Mr. McManus completely invented a connotation that only complete idiots assume exists:
It comes of[sic] misogynistic and unprofessional due to the world it lives in.
evil feminists and SJWs
Hanlon's Razor.
Someone tells them that in North American culture that extension carries a connotation they didn't realize.
No, Mr. McManus completely invented a connotation that only complete idiots assume exists:
It comes of[sic] misogynistic and unprofessional due to the world it lives in.
If I saw an extension ".bro" there's a change I'd assume it was intentional (or at least they were aware of it) and I'd instantly get a mental image of the developers being a bunch of frat boys high-fiving calling each other bro.
Now it probably wouldn't be a strong association and maybe it wouldn't happen at all.
But it's still an issue, and if your software project has an issue that is easily fixed then you should fix it.
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Sorry about that. I though I was answering to the original "fucking fucking hells" poster.
I prefer lord/serf
And the author of the winning file extension name should get 10,000 Korean Dong.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I'd instantly get a mental image of the developers being a bunch of frat boys high-fiving calling each other bro.
So because you're clearly a misandrist (and assume "bro" denigrates men), "bro" is somehow misogynist instead?
I'm not even sure Orwell envisioned such a level of semantic contortion was possible.
Brot means bread in German. In some German speaking regions brotli means little roll. The world doesn't have English as mother tongue.
And we'll explain in the man page why it's called .bro...
I'd instantly get a mental image of the developers being a bunch of frat boys high-fiving calling each other bro.
So because you're clearly a misandrist (and assume "bro" denigrates men), "bro" is somehow misogynist instead?
I'm not even sure Orwell envisioned such a level of semantic contortion was possible.
Hmm, so you state that I'm clearly a guy who hates men, clearly you have the foundation of a solid argument.
Rather consider that people associate the word "bro" with a culture they perceive to be misogynist, maybe that's justified or maybe not, but it's an association that the developers of Brotli had no interest in and you have no interest in criticizing them for changing it.
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And it seriously didn't occur to them that "br" is ALSO an abbreviation of "brother"?
You know how a lot of people think "politically correct" or "social justice warrior" mean a person devoid of intelligence who goes out of their way to racially or sexually charge things that have nothing to do with race or sex to give them something to be offended about? Yeah, this is why.
You have tried to support your argument with faulty reasoning! Go directly to jail; do not pass Go, do not collect $200!
There are at least two serious flaws in your reasoning. 1) Just because someone else has it worse, does not mean that things are okay for another. 2) Calling attention to one problem does not imply that it is the only, or even the worst, problem.
A guy with a headache isn't unjustified in complaining about the pain just because someone else is dying from lung cancer. A guy dying of lung cancer is equally justified in complaining about a headache.
If you still don't see the absurdity, consider that your reasoning can be applied to dismiss any complaint, no matter how horrifying. Just taking your example: "I get hit with rocks trying to go to school" would you reply: "You should be grateful. Other kids have to dogde bullets on their way to school. They've got real problems."
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Yes. There's vast armies of young white men who are so insecure in their identities that they must rage and rage and rage at anything that reminds them that there's other sorts of people in the world.
I don't remember being Slashdot being so fucking bitter & reactionary. Nearly every post in this thread is raging over an exchange that went like "I wanna call this shit 'BRO'" - "somebody might be offended" - "Oh, I can see that, let's do something else". This isn't protesters taking down some long-standing technical standard, it's simply somebody being slightly sensitive and empathic. I don't think MSFT ever got this much hate during their heyday as a Slashdot whipping boy.
my sig's at the bottom of the page.
But if you have limited resources to focus on correcting problems, why focus your efforts on a really quite minor concern when those same efforts could be instead focused on a much more serious problem elsewhere? All that time spent complaining that air conditioning thermstats are unfairly biased towards men is time that could be better spent writing to policy-makers in government and, say, urging them to impose sanctions upon Saudi Arabia until they revise their laws restricting the rights of women.
If I saw an extension ".bro" there's a change I'd assume it was intentional (or at least they were aware of it) and I'd instantly get a mental image of the developers being a bunch of frat boys high-fiving calling each other bro.
I would too. And I'd laugh at the mental image before going about my business. If .bro is anything, it's funny.
You have tried to support your argument with faulty reasoning! Go directly to jail; do not pass Go, do not collect $200!
GNU Image Manipulation Program. Any dirtyness is in the mind of the reader.
Now, the video file analyser 'g-spot' on the other hand...
The real reason is that the people doing the complaining are the loud-mouth attention seekers who like to think they are important. You ask any sane member of society if they are offended and the answer is a resounding no.
Reminds me of a particular film critic in the UK (who is actually entertaining) but has a habit of calling out "sexist tropes" in a unusual amount of films he reviews. Turns out these films are; a. usually targeted squarely at women, and b. my anecdotal experience shows that women enjoy the "sexist" parts of a film just as much as men. Funny that.
Wannabe nerd.
The battle, maybe. The war, sadly, they are losing. By their own "virtue".
The war would be the struggle against sexism. Which is something they are certainly not winning this way, because that war cannot be won with force. It need convincing arguments to win people over, to make them understand how and why women are not treated as equal and why they should be.
This is not accomplished with idiotic, childish bickering like this bullshit. If anything, it makes a mockery out of the equality struggle.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Ah yes. First came the sexualization, now you've injected race into the mix (and in a particularly derogatory manner, to boot). Do you ever think of anything other than race and sexuality? The topic of discussion is the Brotli file format, which is neither sexual nor racial. Can you please stop thinking about sex and race long enough for us to discuss technology? This is a news for nerds site, afterall.
You have tried to support your argument with faulty reasoning! Go directly to jail; do not pass Go, do not collect $200!
I suppose Mandelbrot really needs elimination as a word now. Way too much potential for confusion
The third flaw is that fixing the problems like lack of education for women and FGM is complex and difficult, and will take a long time. Fixing this required a couple of quick comments. It's not like it took significant effort or time, or detracted from other efforts.
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This is not accomplished with idiotic, childish bickering like this bullshit. If anything, it makes a mockery out of the equality struggle.
The original exchange was more or less this (ignoring the perpetually offended SJW crowd who can't help chipping in with invective and so on about the name change):
A Let's use .bro as short for brotli. .br
B I received a bunch of bro jokes already. How about we change it now for something with no connotations.
A OK sure, I never thought of that. How about
The only idiotic, childish bickering is from people like you who cannot accept two rational, informed grown-ups discussing something and reaching a conclusion you don't like.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
You are correct in general. I'm operating under the assumption that worrying about being offended by a .bro extension is ridiculous. What I wrote is similar to the First World Problem meme. You only tend to worry about little annoyances when the big ones are taken care of.
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I'm tired of people kneeing in front of these SJWs and wanting to appeal them. We know that it will not help your stuff see more usage. In fact we know from the Protein World's case that doing the opposite will increase your product's sales and usage. Let the developers use .bro if they want. Completely mad political correctness is rampant in English speaking world and should be put into reins. Using "bro" isn't offensive. I will as a joke make my next file type .bro if nobody will take it. Or .cis or .sis or .fag or something like that. I'm rising my middle finger to SJWs.
People rage about it because it is an idiotic waste of valuable time.
Yes, in this case changing a file extension of a new file format is not a big deal, and three more letters won't kill anyone. Heck, I'd rather have a command be called "brotli" than "bro" just due to fewer chances of random conflicts.
But the justification is completely illogical, and once engineering decisions start being made on the basis of stuff that doesn't even TRY to be logical but is purely emotional, the amount of wasted time can become unreal.
As an example, I am familiar with one case where a company had an internal tool for mapping internal dependencies called "Octopussy". You know, like Octopus but with James Bond connotations, because the graphs it drew looked a bit like an octopus. Well, guess what happened next .... someone threw a hissy fit and demanded it be renamed. Only problem was, the tool wasn't maintained anymore. And over time it had become an internal data source for other tools, which at that point had the name hard-coded into them (network endpoints etc). Some of those tools were also only sporadically maintained. So people had to be dragged off existing projects to spend time on "fixing" a non-existent problem that existed only in someones mind. Many, many hours were wasted and of course all the people who had to work on that learned an abiding hatrid of radical feminism.
THAT is why people get mad about shit like this story. Give an inch and suddenly the amount of money, time and mental energy being burned can become insane.
Except, BRZ is a popular car. The original .bro extension is quite memorable and catchy (like .zip) -- good for marketing. Good luck with coming up with something better.
As a reminder, the algorithm for "brotli" was invented in Switzerland and the word is basically the diminutive of "Brot", minus the Umlaut ("Brötli", the local Swiss dialect for what in US-America would be called a "bun" - if you've ever been to Germany/Switzerland/Austria and visited a bakery, you know what to think of).
People who use this as a means to fuel the gender-debate should have their mental health examined, IMO.
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Why, break it of course.
> Someone tells them that in North American culture that extension carries a connotation they didn't realize.
What's that connotation? Nice, rolling discussion, but I don't know what the problem is with bro. Hell I'm being called bro by some dudes at work.
As long as we're commenting on flaws in reasoning, notice that your broad conclusion fails because the other poster's reasoning can in fact *only* be used to dismiss a complaint for which objectively pales in comparison to some other, actual real-world problem that can arguably be categorized along with the first. So anytime somebody comes along with a complaint about suffering that does *not* pale in comparison to anything else that other people are experiencing in the world... you see where I'm going with this â" it's actually perfectly valid to attempt to diminish the significance of some form of purported injustice by comparing it with other injustices of the same type that are inarguably much worse.
"Outdated business models" is code for "I don't like paying for things, but want them anyway"
Why not call it .ORB?
gah, proofread fail; should read "only be used to dismiss a complaint THAT objectively pales in comparison"
"Outdated business models" is code for "I don't like paying for things, but want them anyway"
"...'bro' has a gender problem, even though the dual meaning is unintentional. It comes of[f] misogynistic and unprofessional due to the world it lives in."
Well, that's certainly one way to tackle sexism. Shine a fucking spotlight on it. Way to go.
How about you simply remove the thought that "bro" is somehow a gender-based term instead, especially when talking about a damn file extension.
You know what really comes off as unprofessional these days? Creating controversy where there is none. Knock that shit off already.
It was already there, no complaints at the time.
I wonder how soon other people will rename IS-IS routing protocol to make it politically correct.
Wait, so you're saying instead of taking the 30 seconds he took to sort this, he should instead waste hours writing letters which will be ignored. That makes sense how?
SJW n. One who posts facts.
If Womyn can have Herstory, then they can get hersterical, have hersterectomies and take antiherstamines. Right?
Hmm, so you state that I'm clearly a guy who hates men,
Why else would you call a misandrist term misogynist? Especially if the negative connotation of the term was invented by misandrists?
One thing I can't help but notice in the original post is that the controversy this stirred up was a couple of comments in a thread written by guys, one of which had a vague reference to a feminist. So...although I'm sure this controversy might evoke bad memories about being shut down or censored by feminists (trigger warning, yall), there was actually just the one woman who had a opinion about it, who may or may have not have even called herself a feminist. Before you cry about it as being some wicked extension of the doom-bringing matriarchical victimhood SJW superpower...take a deep breath
Hmm, so you state that I'm clearly a guy who hates men,
Why else would you call a misandrist term misogynist? Especially if the negative connotation of the term was invented by misandrists?
The negative connotation of the term was invented by guys calling eachother "bro" and engaging in misogynist behaviour which sometimes includes predatory sexual practices that can extend to rape.
That doesn't apply to everyone who considers themselves to be part of the "bro culture", nor is everyone who calls eachother part of the bro culture, not even close. But that problematic subset does exist and that is the association a lot of people make.
I stole this Sig
If we all use it, they'll be overruled. That'll teach them. They need to not be offended. Especially just to act offended. We need to stop that crazyness. Get people to grow up.
When I read that headline I really tried hard to figure out how that might be offensive. Okay. If the file extension was .nigger i might get why people would be offended.
But .bro has absolutely NOTHING to do with gender. Would people complain about .sis because people *might* use it as a short form of sister, which is female and therefore sexist?!
It's sad to see even the intelligent folks at google bow down to this bullshit. But I guess sanity in the tech industry has long died when Intel started funding Anita Sarkeesian.
I bet a million that brotli and zopfli come from Google in Switzerland. IN Swiss German, these are two types of small baked breads/buns, Brötli and Zöpfli. Now go and tell Patrick McManus that I find his intervention a gross cultural ignorance.
Does anybody find the name GIMP offensive? Does anyone complain about git? And those are the extreme cases. Some "feminist" could probably find the name Python sexist because it's "obviously chosen because the snake resembles the penis" or whatever. Also notice how many websites use black text on white background? This form of opression displays that the black people have to "serve" the whites by forming them the way you want. I know that's bullshit, but some "feminists" regularly say crap like this.
Better to identify this possible issue now then rectify it with a simple change and offend a few mentally stunted guys before we have to deal with an angry latte of feminists.
See page 537 of the UEFI spec. A file -can- a- have an LFN attribute (long file name). It -must- have a file name, which is 8.3.
As I said in GP, the canonical filename for FAT (used by UEFI) is the 8.3 name. All files must have a name, and those names are 8.3. A file -can- also have a LFN (long file name) which is stored as an attribute of the file.
The real story here is that some people hold so much hatred for a specific group of people (bros) that the mere mention of that group of people is offensive for them, and they prefer to remove a common, innocuous word from the English language than to ever have to hear it in any context. I had to think a bit to come up with another case of this type of thing occurring: Nazis (oh yes, shit just got real!). Albeit it's not a perfect match. Nazi is a proper name that does not have any other function in the English language, while bro is a commonly used abbreviation of a common English word. So clearly people hate bros significantly more than they hate Nazis, which in itself speaks volumes about modern culture. But it's the best analogue I can come up with.
You have tried to support your argument with faulty reasoning! Go directly to jail; do not pass Go, do not collect $200!
I actually downgraded from GIMP 2.8 back to 2.6 after installing 2.8 on my new computer and discovering how badly they'd screwed up saving files (I had 2.6 on my old computer). And in 2.8 even when I do use their alternate dialog to save as .PNG or whatever, the stupid thing still insists that I haven't saved the file when I try to close it, even though I /just did/.
Sorry. I hear it's surgically removed when you become an SJW.
As amply demonstrated by the SJWs who down-modded my comment.
No, your comment was downmodded because using the term "SJW" demonstrates you're a complete and total idiot.
Being called an "SJW" simply means you aren't a jerk. Honestly, when the worst insult you can come up with is "Social Justice Warrior" that demonstrates both a lack of a point and a severe lack of creativity on your part.
Still, I did hear a really funny left-wing joke the other day:
"An Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman walk into a bar."
"SEXIST!"
That joke isn't funny.
I hope you appreciate the irony here considering you accused others of having to have their sense of humour surgically removed. It's a good thing when I think about it though, you could use a sense of humour implant and it appears there are donors that can help you.
Also I have 15 mod points, I chose to post rather than mod you down. Now if you would excuse me, I've got to take a course on shipbuilding, it's going to be riveting.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Do you mean compressed files? It's a compression algorithm, not a video codec. And yes, on the system partition you'll find compressed files, typically cpio + gzip.
Also, in terms of media (which isn't relevant, but you mentioned it), you're likely to find splash images there.
The negative connotation of the term was invented by guys calling eachother "bro" and engaging in misogynist behaviour which sometimes includes predatory sexual practices that can extend to rape.
They did not assign that meaning to the word bro. You (and others) just did, to disparage a subgroup of men, not women.
Today I learned that there is an open source compression algorithm named "Brotli" and that Google released it 2 weeks ago. Marketing received. Thank you.
It's almost like they're actively seeking things about which they can infer non-existent but offensive meanings. Madness.
Lets just say, as a Tech Geek, I get offended / my intelligence gets offended, when eg in this case, a file extension that sounds perfectly benign gets changed for absolutely non-technical reasons but for poltical reasons.
Of course I see the irony here, but changing a technical detail for non-technical reasons and not because of a design flaw or whatever just rustles my jimmies.
And that is why geeks rarely make good marketing or management people. Because these soft people things matter, even when it doesn't seem to make logical sense. Things rarely succeed on technical merits, appearances (including such small things like file name extension and mime type) matter too.
Anyway, the cynical me suspects, that the extension was changed just to get publicity for the new format, and political correctness was just an excuse. Still, if this raises awareness of the format, I'm not going to blame them for doing it.
Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... - while bro definitely does have other definitions, the most popular one these days basically makes it shorthand for "fratty douche". (Which is also the top entry on urban dictionary". (That said, I also don't see that as a reason to not name a file extension that, as they are clearly not related, and it's not like it's a racial epithet or anything.)
Think about it for a second.
You sound like you'd be better off giving it a tad more than that.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Personally, I find the term "Mozilla" to be culturally offensive to the Japanese, making fun of their film heritage. Plus the "Mo" portion is sexist, hinting at mustaches or something like that. Please change it to something more neutral, like "Pablum".