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Alabama Man Sold a Priceless Apollo-Era Lunar Rover Protoype For Scrap Metal (vice.com)

Jason Koebler writes: An Alabama man allowed an Apollo-era lunar rover prototype to rot in his backyard before ultimately selling it to a junkyard for scrap metal last year, according to documents acquired from NASA as part of a Freedom of Information Act request. NASA spent much of 2014 attempting to acquire the priceless artifact for display in a museum, but it was ultimately destroyed before the agency could recover it.

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  1. I'll bite by kencurry · · Score: 3, Funny

    What the heck was he doing with a lunar rover prototype in Alabama?

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    1. Re:I'll bite by mitgib · · Score: 2
      Alabama is the home on the Marshall Space Flight Center

      In 1961, when President John F. Kennedy envisioned an American on the moon by the end of the decade, NASA turned to Marshall Space Flight Center to create the incredibly powerful rocket needed to turn this presidential vision into reality. Since its beginning in 1960, Marshall has provided the agency with mission-critical design, development and integration of the launch and space systems required for space operations, exploration, and scientific missions. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ma...

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    2. Re:I'll bite by Solandri · · Score: 2
      From TFA:

      How did this person end up with the rover in the first place? It's unclear. NASA did not respond to a Motherboard request for more specifics, but an attorney quoted in the report noted that early Apollo prototypes were rarely tagged and often went missing.

      Also, the person who sold it for scrap inherited it when the "owner" (who presumably acquired it from NASA and knew its value) passed away. NASA dragged its feet contacting the new owner, who apparently didn't know its value.

    3. Re:I'll bite by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      NASA dragged its feet contacting the new owner, who apparently didn't know its value.

      Sure NASA dragged it's feet. But I wonder if the historian walked over to the neighbor's house, knocked on the door, and mentioned that he though the guy had a piece of priceless artifact from NASA's history just sitting there. Even if the guy wasn't interested in contacting NASA right then, at least he would have known before he just scrapped it.

    4. Re:I'll bite by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

      Obligatory xkcd comic.

      I love telling people we have the Nazis to thank for our space program.

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    5. Re:I'll bite by lbmouse · · Score: 2

      "That's my Dad's shooting car. Just three more payments and it's ours."

    6. Re:I'll bite by Kichigai+Mentat · · Score: 4, Funny

      He built it one piece at a time, and it didn't cost him a dime!

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    7. Re:I'll bite by TigerTime · · Score: 2

      Huntsville has a TON of NASA engineers and supporting cast. Auburn University has sent more astronauts to space than nearly any other university.

      Just because it's "Alabama" doesn't mean it's redneck. That's stereotyping at it's finest.

      The guy who died likely worked at NASA in the lunar program and possibly even designing the rovers. ...Frankly, it could have been this guy's: http://www.oanow.com/news/aubu...

    8. Re:I'll bite by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2

      Obligatory xkcd comic.

      I love telling people we have the Nazis to thank for our space program.

      And international criminal investigations/law enforcement. Interpol was run by SS generals for some years, including the likes of Reinhard Heydrich, the Butcher of Prague.

    9. Re: I'll bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Why, in this age of political correctness and sensitivity, does nobody bat an eye at hate speech about people in the south?

    10. Re:I'll bite by Bromrrrrr · · Score: 2

      including the likes of Reinhard Heydrich, the Butcher of Prague.

      Quit a feat, as he died in 1942

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    11. Re:I'll bite by Bromrrrrr · · Score: 2

      From wikipedia:

      "Following Anschluss in 1938, the organization fell under the control of Nazi Germany, and the Commission's headquarters were eventually moved to Berlin in 1942.[10] From 1938 to 1945, the presidents of Interpol included Otto Steinhäusl, Reinhard Heydrich........

      Who'd have thunk it......thanks...I thought you had him confused with Reinhard Gehlen or something....my bad

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    12. Re:I'll bite by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      *whoosh*

      No, I think the fucking smiley face shows he was joking.

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    13. Re: I'll bite by Coren22 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just look at the treatment to Lee's battle flag recently, that is pure racism against the people who fought for state's rights. (hint, the average southerner had nothing to do with slavery, the slave owners were too wealthy to fight in the war).

      Racism is ok (to the Democrats) when it is white people that are the butt of the joke, they also don't like Asians for some reason, so making fun of natives of India, and China, is perfectly acceptable, but talk about how 90% of gang violence is black people, or that there are crimes being committed against the Hispanics crossing the border (as Trump did), and suddenly you are a terrible racist.

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  2. one joke, one explaination by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. up on blocks.
    2. Huntsville.

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    1. Re:one joke, one explaination by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      What the heck was he doing with a lunar rover prototype in Alabama?

      1. up on blocks.
      2. Huntsville.

      Obligatory: "You might be a space redneck if ..."

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  3. He probably has a grudge by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    He probably has a grudge against NASA for proving that the Earth isn't flat.

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    1. Re:He probably has a grudge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You think it's funny to laugh about the 'ignorant' Alabama-man because it is easier than wrapping your brain around the fact that Alabama put man on the moon.

  4. More relevant title by Rurik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    NASA Agency Bureaucracy Lets Historic Antique Slip From Their Fingers

    If it didn't take them six months to reach out... Even a quick call "Hey, this is NASA. We heard you have one of our rovers. Could we just send someone over to verify?"

  5. Re:Leave it to idiots.. by halivar · · Score: 2

    Who, the junkyard guy that considers the stuff in his junkyard to be... you know... junk? Or the NASA administrator that considered a historic relic under his care to be junk?

  6. Just like Southpark episode by JoeyRox · · Score: 3, Funny
  7. Not a loss - this is the correct outcome. by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I like NASA. I like space exploration. However, I don't like NASA spending its limited time and resources to buy up antiques when it could be working on MORE space exploration.

    1. Re:Not a loss - this is the correct outcome. by Aboroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is an extremely short-sighted viewpoint. Money isn't everything. First of all, if all you care about it direct funding from it, they would easily be able to monetize this by reselling it at auction. Putting it in a museum would enrich people's lives, which is invaluable. Having displays with things like this, are ways people get inspired to do what they can to help in space exploration, either through their own talents or with donations. These "antiques" could very well inspire the next generation of space explorers, which are kind of necessary because the ones we have now are expected to die at some point.

  8. Andy Griffith by tekrat · · Score: 2

    Andy had the right idea. Build a rocket, go to the moon, and bring back all the scrap NASA left behind. Can't get over how much this mirrors "Salvage 1".

    Now all we need is some Monohydrazine.

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  9. Rocket City Rednecks? by tekrat · · Score: 2

    Huntsville Alabama is where they hid Von Braun so he wouldn't get lynched. As a result, a lot of Space Research happens there. See "Rocket City Rednecks", a bad reality TV show where some NASA engineer spends his weekends making dumb shit out of junk with his redneck buddies.

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  10. no you didn't by publiclurker · · Score: 5, Funny

    America put a man on the moon, we just used your real estate so if anything went wrong, nothing important would be damaged.

  11. Re:The best punishment . . . by snsh · · Score: 2

    If you've ever seen these lunar prototypes up close, you'd understand how it could get sold for scrap. Everything that was "space age" in the 1960's looks primitive today.

  12. Re:Leave it to idiots.. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    GORTON: Now, since my yellow light is on, at this point my final question will be this: Assuming that the recommendations that you made on January 25th of 2001, based on Delenda, based on Blue Sky, including aid to the Northern Alliance, which had been an agenda item at this point for two and a half years without any action, assuming that there had been more Predator reconnaissance missions, assuming that that had all been adopted say on January 26th, year 2001, is there the remotest chance that it would have prevented 9/11?

    CLARKE: No.

    Richard Clarke's sworn testimony to the 9/11 commission. Clarke was President Clinton's terror czar. Too late by the time the Bush Administration took over. Per President Clinton's own terror czar. I know, facts and sworn testimony are always an issue when you have a political axe to grind...

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  13. Re:The best punishment . . . by tompaulco · · Score: 2

    If you've ever seen these lunar prototypes up close, you'd understand how it could get sold for scrap. Everything that was "space age" in the 1960's looks primitive today.

    Yes, that. And in addition, it was a "prototype" and as such may have been just frame and wheels, which could be mistaken for just about anything. The first picture in the article looks nothing like the actual lunar rover other than having a stupid looking antenna on top. It looks like 1000s of other homemade dunebuggies.

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  14. Re:Leave it to idiots.. by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Informative

    What axe? I'm stating a fact. Bush had six months of daily warnings of an impending attack, INCLUDING Clarke's own statement a few days after Bush was sworn into office, and a briefing statement titled, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the United States".

    Further, contrary to the lies of those in the Bush administration, the outgoing Clinton administration did leave them a comprehensive plan. We know this because it's been declassified.

    If you like, I can keep going with the facts which show a) Bush had been warned, many times, prior to the 9/11 attacks, both from the outgoing Clinton administration, Richard Clarke who spanned both administrations and daily briefings, b) Bush was warned one month before the attacks that Al Qaeda was planning to hijack planes to attack the U.S. and c) Bush ignored everything until the last second when, on 9/4, he finally had a meeting to discuss what Clarke and others had talked about months prior.

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  15. spent much of 2014 attempting to acquire by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    NASA spent much of 2014 attempting to acquire the priceless artifact for display in a museum

    Sounds like they didn't try too hard if they couldn't compete with a scrap yard.

  16. The headline is all wrong! by cmeans · · Score: 4, Funny

    Should read..."Alabama Man Removes Junk from His Yard". Of course, no one would believe it.

  17. Re:Leave it to idiots.. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Per Clarke - it was already too late to stop it. Nothing that could have been done based upon information available and recommendations/intelligence from the Clinton Administration. It's what Clarke stated in sworn testimony to Senator Gorton - copied above.

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  18. Re:No one is asking the important question... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

    If all the scrap at NASA had to be 'preserved' we would have to clear out every building in D.C. that isn't the Smithsonian to store it all in.

    Hmmm, that's not a bad idea.

  19. Re:Alabama Man... by KGIII · · Score: 2

    Nope. Not really. That whole area is its own special kind of special. I say that because I care - I do own a house in Florida and I have shared some of the many things I've seen there. Nope, they're definitely unique in some ways and this is one of those ways. It could be selection bias, I guess, but I don't think so.

    Put it this way... I own a house in PCB, the home of Spring Break - really. They have a week long period, out of sync with the rest of the country, that they call FAG week. FAG is "Florida, Alabama, and Georgia." They double down on the cops, take the jails and empty them by shipping them to the annex up in Destin, and call in special Beach Police. Not because they're violent or mean. They just do some really stupid things. When you hear about all the deaths during Spring Break - check the week that it happened. It was probably during FAG week.

    They do have alligators so, there's that. And manatees. My place is pretty close to a special area that they've got signs telling people that, "Molesting the Manatees is a Serious Offense."

    No, I am not kidding. I love the place. They've got character.

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  20. Re:Leave it to idiots.. by tsotha · · Score: 2

    So what? The government gets those kinds of warnings all the time. The president should not be trying to micromanage that kind of stuff.