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Paper Retracted After Anti-Immigrant Scientist Bans Use of His Software (sciencemag.org)
sciencehabit writes: An 11-year-old research paper describing Treefinder, a computer program used by evolutionary biologists, has been retracted after the program's developer banned its use in European countries he deemed too friendly to refugees. In September, German scientist Gangolf Jobb announced on his website that researchers in eight European countries, including Germany and the United Kingdom, were no longer allowed to use Treefinder, which builds phylogenetic trees from sequence data. The move sparked outrage among some scientists, and now, BMC Evolutionary Biology has pulled the 2004 paper describing the software because the license change 'breaches the journal's editorial policy on software availability.'
What goes around comes around.
Let's do it!
There is no question. The publisher is reacting to the change in license as well they should. Regardless of the motivation the license change violates their policy. What's the point of having a policy and then not following it?
So the response to a tool becoming unavailable is to make information about the tool unavailable? I appreciate that this is supposed to put some pressure on Jobb, and I enjoy petty acts of spite against nutjobs as much as the next guy. But this seems like it just further harms the tool users (and potential tool users), not so much Jobb.
Anti-Muslim "refugee" != Anti-immigrant
The most egregious yet prevalent error in modern news reporting, is to conflate someone being against ILLEGAL immigration with someone being against LEGAL immigration.
If you can't understand why someone who does not want people who are by definition criminals entering the country in large numbers, then heaven help you - because reality certainly will not and history just laughs at you.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Is it even possible to retroactively change the terms of a software license like that?
Or did the new license only apply to new versions of the software?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I spent 3 years in Germany while in the US air force. While I found the German people to be very friendly for the most part I did notice a decided antipathy towards foreign immigrants from Turkey. It sort of surprised me but then I thought about it and it pretty much paralleled how many people in the US act towards Mexican immigrants.
What's the point of having a policy and then not following it?
They could treat the policy like some countries are treating their immigration laws.
German laws criminalize hate speech. This is attempting to incite a backlash against immigrants. Why isn't it being punished for the hate speech it is? Why is this developer permitted to do this if he's residing in Germany?
How is this action wrong? If you violate the policy for having your paper published it then gets retracted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
This is why scientific software should to be open source.
It would be wonderful if, on an internet forum, we could have a discussion about a topic such as this without virtue signaling. For whatever reason, it seems impossible.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
The researcher has decided to act like a childish asshole.
The publisher has said "unfortunately, due to your stupid manifesto we can no longer carry this paper because it violates our policy".
This guy is perfectly allowed to go all crazy and issue his manifesto of "you can't use my stuff". That doesn't mean that other entities are required to keep hosting his stuff.
The publisher is following a policy, and the people who wrote the paper agree.
So, really, the only one acting immature is the childish idiot who has decided he's taking his ball and going home, and making up random rules about who can use his software.
But he can own that decision and the consequences.
This isn't two wrongs making a right, this is an idiot living with the real world consequences of being an idiot.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Are they stealin' yur jerbs?
Is it even possible to retroactively change the terms of a software license like that?
It is if the license requires users to obtain a copy of the software directly from the publisher, not from a redistributor.
License Revocation clauses are common. ....
Just ask Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, Adobe, Google, HP, AT&T, Verizon,
"we may revoke your license to use the software at any time for any reason" is a common wording.
This is two groups: Gangolf Jobb and the editors of BMC Evolutionary Biology fully exercising their rights.
Gangolf Jobb has every right to license his software in any way he sees fit.
The editors of BMC Evolutionary Biology have every right to set the publication policy for their journal.
Everyone has a right to look like an ass in public.
And nothing of value was lost. Just use ape.
"Immigration is the huge corporations' interest, not peoples' interest. I am not against helping refugees, but they would have to be kept strictly separated from us Europeans, for some limited time only until they return home, and not being integrated here as cheap workers and additional consumers. Immigration unnecessarily defers the collapse of capitalism, its final crisis. The earlier the system crashes, the more damage can be avoided. Possibly a civil war in Europe." - http://treefinder.de/
Certainly didn't expect his goal to hasten the fall of capitalism to be his justification.
Might just be easier to ask it that way.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Treefinder has been dead for about a decade. If youre still using im surprised you have enough data from it to continue a grant proposal, but i hope you'll consider other more functional applications like PHYLIP PAUP MEGA Phylo_win ARB or DAMBE
hybridization or recombination events got you down? concaterpillar to the rescue. http://rogerlab.biochemistryan...
distance matrix analyses on nucleotide or protein sequences? seriously, get a copy of ODIN. while i couldnt get funding for a beefier desktop, i DID get compute time on our university supercomputer and ODIN absolutely screams on linux.
Good people go to bed earlier.
They could treat the policy like some countries are treating their immigration laws.
They are, namely following them. The journal's publisher is following its policy of retracting papers that rely on unavailable software. And some countries are using their sovereign authority to grant asylum to those who qualify as refugees.
This software has been around since 2004... was it ever released under a standard open source license, or does the code include any derivative works from other programs or projects that were released under the GPL, etc.?
I'd keep using his software.
What's he going to do about it? Make more noise? Sue?
Bigotry wilts in the sunlight.
License change and re-release in February 2015:
Starting from 1st February 2015, I do no longer permit the usage of my TREEFINDER software in the USA. For all other countries, the old license agreement remains valid.
http://www.treefinder.de/
One of the main reasons there are issues with migrants in Europe right now is the very fact that Germany declared itself a free for all with no way for those migrants to make it to Germany without forcing the countries in the migrants paths to break their own laws.
I think the thing that is really going to bite Europe in the butt with this is the fact that if even 0.1% of those migrants are radicalized then Europe is going to end up with large numbers of terrorists in their midst. I would also bet its more then 0.1%
Your accusation of virtue signalling is invading my safe space.
I wonder, what — if any — other applications of this policy can be found. Has there ever been another case of this same publication withdrawing an already published article over "software availability"?
I also wonder, if they'd have acted, if the license-changes were aimed not at immigration-supporters, but at, say, "Nazi-sympathizers" or "Global Warming-deniers"?
My own license for a tiny open-source program bans owners of Che Guevara items from using it — would these distinguished editors find that offensive as well?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
If you had to live around the Turks in Germany (and send your kids to school with them), you might be more sympathetic to why they're so disliked.
Europe is facing that already. Look at what happened in Paris with Charlie Hebdo, then the wave of violence and terror related arrests throughout many countries in the region following those attacks. There's debate as to whether or not Germany is even obeying its laws, because a lot of these "refugees" don't really seem to meet the definition of the term. They're migrating for economic reasons, not necessarily because they fear for their lives. Germany is rejecting a significant number of them, but that just adds to the chaos.
It sort of surprised me but then I thought about it and it pretty much paralleled how many people in the US act towards Mexican immigrants.
Legal or illegal Mexican immigrants? I live in San Antonio and we are extremely tolerant toward legal Mexican immigrants. The Mexican Americans are not please with the illegal ones due to the jobs and resources they lose/share. For the most part, they really look down on them.
Besides organizations like LaRaza, most of the support for illegal Mexicans comes from white people - usually either due to reasons of "white guilt" or cheap labor.
Yes, kind of crazy the software helps study immigration of the past, but he does not think it should be happening now.
You'll use it like I tell you to use it, and when I decide I want to change how you use it you'll fucking change how you use it.
Copyright, bitch. Death plus seventy years - all the way to your great-grandchildren.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
It's a phrase that's been beaten to death, but it applies here:
"The correct response to speech you do not agree with is more speech, not censorship."
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
http://www.treefinder.de/
Original License
License change and re-release in February 2015:
Updated Oct 2105:
He broke their policy, they acted accordingly. This is neither news nor politics.
What a bad summary. Refugee != immigration.
Thing is, in the EU (as in, throughout the EU), the antipathy is a lot higher, and for good reason: As a general guideline, unemployment is usually a touch higher than in the US, and job growth is a touch lower (though in some countries this difference is rather dramatic), leading to a lot of antagonism.
Recently, it's grown primarily because of the actions and crimes committed by a number of these migrants, as well as the increased strain on the far-more-generous social welfare systems of these countries (which as a corollary, appears to be leading to even higher taxation).
If you think the Germans are vicious about it, you should take a gander at Nebelspalter (a Swiss parody magazine) and look up the opinions there on the subject...
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
You clearly don't work in IT/IS/ or as a programmer.
Refugees should probably not just mean people who are migrating to a wealthier place to get on the dole.
The documentation suggests this software is fairly trivial. Presumably anyone still using it will set aside an afternoon and reimplement it?
I've seen plenty of them working. They harvest crops, work construction, pave roads or anything where they need cheap labor. If it weren't for the flood of people from South of the border I don't know how all this stuff would get done. We'd probably have to make all the people on welfare go back to work.
Because you guys all wait in line for your welfare checks together?
So extremely tolerant that it is now a major rhetorical issue even though illegal immigration is 1/4 of what it was a decade ago and illegal Mexican immigration has fallen by 1/2.
But now suddenly the world is ending.
If a person is pardoned, it does not mean that prior to the pardon they were not a criminal.
There may be good reasons to pardon someone (or to grant asylum) but that is still a VERY different thing than supporting legal immigration which people traditionally apply for.
You can still be even for a large increase of LEGAL immigration vs. any kind of amnesty for those willing to spend the effort or money to break into the country illegally.
Of course you do realize supporting mostly amnesty instead of legal immigration is support for the privileged (who can pay tens of thousands in smuggling fees) or true criminals? You pretty much eliminate the middle class, unlike legal immigration which is much more even-handed in letting anyone apply.
If you like furthering inequality there is no better way I can think of than supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You clearly have never been to a Home Depot in the morning on a work day.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
WTF is "virtue signaling"? Am I already behind by another new term?
Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
Starting 1950 we needed a workforce in germany due to all the casualties of the war, so we invited people - and only the turks did not care about our past. Unfortunately we needed millions of workers for jobs without specific education, and the low-education level was kept in these families, plus we did not integrate them. Many of them have been integrated, but many are still low educated with a consequence of low income. We're welcoming the refugees since our birth rate is too low to pay the future rents. Many syrian refugees spent 100kâ to get here, you don't make such money from brooming the street or working in a coal mine. These guys escaped hell, we'll help them - let's see what happens.
On a less polite side note, your comment sounds quite xenophobic.
Why? I am for a massive expansion of LEGAL immigration. But you have to make the process fair, the way the current system works is those strong enough or with the most resources get to come into a country and take up room and jobs that could have been had by LEGAL immigrants, who are crowded out.
Do you often push people out of the way to go to the head of lines? Because that is what is happening here, the most privileged are denying the weak or poor chances at immigration they would otherwise have.
I'm not xenophobic but you ARE classist; you just don't realize how.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
"The researcher has decided to act like a childish asshole".
Glad that you mention. I always thought, that all those musicians who prohibit Republicans from using pieces of their music during election are childish assholes too.
JAM
I agree with most of that, but I think you missed the most important point: why is key academic software not open source? I'm all for this guy's right to publish software under any license he chooses, but why would you embrace such software in the academic community? IMO, that's the lesson here.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Wasnt the original software GPL. Copy it fork it. Call it done?
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Illegal immigration is pretty damn high, but I guess you have numbers to show this significant reduction.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fac...
The numbers are about half of what Trump says the numbers are though:
http://www.politifact.com/flor...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
you state this, "The researcher has decided to act like a childish asshole."
Care to explain?
love is just extroverted narcissism
Yep, not just Germany. Check out the violent crime and rape stats in Sweden: http://www.gatestoneinstitute....
It's not so much that the statistics went up, it's that the courts are sympathizing with the rapists! Mind-boggling.
P.S. to mods: This is not a troll. This is data.
What's funny is that the musicians don't really have a choice in the matter. Venues are responsible for music licensing and have standard contracts with the record studios. They can complain all they want, but legally they have no standing.
When you signal, or indicate, or make obvious; your righteous, virtuous feelings and opinions on a subject.
This is in order to establish your reputation as virtuous.
Examples are plentiful in this thread.
Not that it is a new story. Already discussed in this very same site
So he's punishing scientists who have little or nothing to do with their nation's policies, regardless of whether those nations' policies are good or bad? Where is the logic in that? Luckily, scientists working in Syria are still allowed to use it. Also luckily, there are plenty of alternatives. http://phylogenetic.software.i...
Although he is not very semantically clear on the point, it seems like he is only against the mass influx of people currently being called "immigration".
Do you really think he'd be against against immigration through the normal channels? It does not seem like that, because across Europe today to immigrate to the Schengen region you have to prove you are financially self-sufficient. He is against poor immigrants who come in with no means of support in large numbers.
How can these immigrants be ILLEGAL when the countries named allow them entry?
Just because you do not enforce a law does not mean it does not exist. What would happen do you think if you or I tried to enter exactly the same way?
Are the majority of people in this wave criminals?
All of them are, by definition.
The UN seems to disagree with you.
The same UN that whistles and looks away while human right abuses continue in China and the middle east? Nice moral authority you've chained yourself to.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
It sort of surprised me but then I thought about it and it pretty much paralleled how many people in the US act towards Mexican immigrants.
Legal or illegal Mexican immigrants? I live in San Antonio and we are extremely tolerant toward legal Mexican immigrants. The Mexican Americans are not please with the illegal ones due to the jobs and resources they lose/share. For the most part, they really look down on them.
Besides organizations like LaRaza, most of the support for illegal Mexicans comes from white people - usually either due to reasons of "white guilt" or cheap labor.
It sort of surprised me but then I thought about it and it pretty much paralleled how many people in the US act towards Mexican immigrants.
Legal or illegal Mexican immigrants? I live in San Antonio and we are extremely tolerant toward legal Mexican immigrants. The Mexican Americans are not please with the illegal ones due to the jobs and resources they lose/share. For the most part, they really look down on them.
Besides organizations like LaRaza, most of the support for illegal Mexicans comes from white people - usually either due to reasons of "white guilt" or cheap labor.
The Irish were hated for the same reasons back in the 1800s. They were seen as a cheaper source of labor that were taking the jobs of people already there.
Mexican Americans look down on illegal ones? Why do they look down on them? Because they were too poor, uneducated, or didn't have the family ties to migrate here legally? I tend to be sympathetic towards them. They take substantial risks to improve their lives and the lives of their families. The same was true of our many immigrant ancestors and I think it's that history of risk-taking that has in many ways lead to the success of our country. It also explains some of the philosophical differences we have with other Western powers.
The treefinder dude is a xenophobe. There is not much doubt about that. I would also not lay all the blame for the world's faults on US imperialism as he does. But I do think it's fairly obviously true that people will migrate to where conditions for them are likely to be better and corporations are more than willing to take advantage of that. That is nothing new.
Gracias AC
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or you can pay a decent wage?
I don't think there is yet a clear legal precedent about what conditions in EULAs are and aren't legally binding. I want some German person to actually use this software, get sued and take this to Strasbourg, or maybe some higher court. I'm very confident that any sane court would rule that the researcher broke no law in using the software while German, and this is what we need to invalidate many other stupid conditions stipulated in software EULAs.
And the paper is theirs to pull.
Everybody wins.
You are welcome on my lawn.
So extremely tolerant that it is now a major rhetorical issue even though illegal immigration is 1/4 of what it was a decade ago and illegal Mexican immigration has fallen by 1/2.
It's been a problem for a long time, not just now. It was a big enough problem that Reagan gave mass amnesty in exchange for stronger borders and the understanding that mass amnesty would never need to be offered again.
Them immigrants - they done terkk his jerb!
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I'd like to see a written copy of said policy prior to this guy's changing his licensing terms, and I'd particularly like to see how it affects an 11-year old paper.
This is a political move, through and through.
The developer link to the following leaked US state department cable in an interview. I think its also listed as a link on his download page:
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10PARIS58_a.html
Here's an interesting part of the cable produced from the US Embassy in France:
The other linked docs and articles document the same things.
"The promotion of world-wide migration is part of their plan. They even start wars just to generate enough migration. They are trying to destroy the world’s nations, because nations would defend themselves against foreign rulers. A world of migrants, on the other hand, would not care much who ruled. And this is not a conspiracy theory, it is written in books by leading US-ideologists, e.g. Barnett, Brzezinski."
This thinking has been even dramatized in a movie like "Children of Men" I mean, looking at the results in the ME due to the military interventionism of the US and other Western powers, it really does seems like destabilization, especially of the relatively secular states not aligned with the West like Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, and the rest is a goal here.
You clearly have never been to a Home Depot in the morning on a work day.
This is why I will never say anything bad about Mexican immigrants. You see dozens of them out at Home Depot waiting patiently for hard work. I have NEVER seen a unemployed white guy out there. I only ever see white people standing on street corners with cardboard signs, begging for handouts. I welcome immigrants (documented or otherwise) willing to come to our country and work hard to get ahead. Good for them. The only welfare leeches I see are the native citizens with a sense of entitlement that aren't willing to try to do some real work when they are unemployed.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
The earlier the system crashes, the more damage can be avoided. Possibly a civil war in Europe. Not to mention the loss of our European genetic and cultural heritage.
What about our precious bodily fluids?
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
The author believes his home country is too generous to outsiders which he feels harms his self-interest. In response, he withholds permission to use his software to further harm his nation which would seem to also harm his self-interest in indirect ways.
Interestingly, he also protests US imperialism which he admits Europe is an accessory too. However, fewer refugees being created would be a natural consequence of stopping imperialism. So why doesn't he just focus his energy on that issue?
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usually either due to reasons of "white guilt" or cheap labor.
Correct. Leftists/socialists are the "white guilt" crowd while K-Street Republicans are pro-cheap labor. Meanwhile, everybody else that's trying to earn a middle class existence are getting fucked over regardless of their race.
I had a friend who ran a nursery. He tried hiring non-Hispanic workers and it was a disaster. They couldn't tell the difference between a plant and a weed and they did a terrible job. The Hispanic workers knew what they were doing. In his case he hired legal workers.
why is key academic software not open source?
Because people do the minimum required to get publications (and/or money), and cleaning up source code (so it can be exposed to the world) is a lot of work. This is especially the case if the code depends on other libraries with various different software licenses.
One of the ways to help fix this problem is to place restrictions on publication, so that open source licences are required for software. F1000 Research has just changed their policy to do this:
http://blog.f1000research.com/...
We recently strengthened our stance on software availability to better align with our Open Science principles. Now, the source code underlying any newly presented software must be made publicly available and assigned an open license. We strongly encourage the use of an OSS approved licence, but will accept other open licenses including Creative Commons. Software papers describing non-open software, code and/or web tools will be rejected.
The current situation demonstrates that forcing these licenses is required in order to get people to use them. BMC Evolutionary Biology already had a recommendation for open source licenses in its policy:
BMC Evolutionary Biology recommends , but does not require, that the source code of the software should be made available under a suitable open-source license that will entitle other researchers to further develop and extend the software if they wish to do so. Typically, an archive of the source code of the current version of the software should be included with the submitted manuscript as a supplementary file. Since it is likely that the software will continue to be developed following publication, the manuscript should also include a link to the home page for the software project. For open source projects, we recommend that authors host their project with a recognized open-source repository such as bioinformatics.org or sourceforge.net
Ask me about repetitive DNA
I've heard the exact same things said about Mexican immigrants in the US, yet I had no specific problems with my neighbours, my classmates when I was in school, or classmates of my kids. I've also heard the same thing said about Panamanians when I was in Costa Rica for a while. And for people from Botswana when I was in South Africa.
All too often people are vague when referencing problems like this because they don't have more specific things to say. Or they do have specifics, but aren't comfortable with saying what the actual problem is because some part of them doesn't think it is wrong to be upset over that. Just saying things of the lines of, "spend some time with people X and you would know why they are a problem," backfires when some people have spent time and still don't have a problem.
"The researcher has decided to act like a childish asshole."
The researcher does not agree with his country policy and because he can't change it, he'll change the few things he can. It's a political statement. Whether you like it or not, you've listened to it, interpreted it, it's goal was fulfilled.
Most of these people are economic migrants, not refugees. In the case of Syrians now flooding into Europe, for example, most did not come directly from Syria — they came from migrant camps in Turkey. Turkey is a stable and safe country, but doesn't provide quite the level of social services and economic opportunities that a Western European country does. Of course, as has been pointed out in various places, the German government is worried about an aging population and needs young workers, so they opened the gates under the pretense of humanitarian reasons — preservation of culture, values, and social cohesion be damned.
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
Do you understand That the Republican party has been taken over by far-right sociopaths? Blocking those scumbags is behaving responsibly, and is anything but childish.
Denying your work to Republican yahoos, is not being an asshole, it's opposing them. I'm getting really tired of the false-balance when one party has gone completely insane over the past 2 decades.
Did OkCupid act like an asshole when they blocked Firefox to demonstrate their disdain for Mozilla's CEO? Or was that acceptable because it had a liberal slant whereas this story has a conservative one?
We always like to blame somebody else. It's not so simple. We all want cheap stuff. You don't get cheap stuff by paying high wages. Even if an employer wants to do the right thing and pay their employees decent wages, how long do you think they will last against their competitors who are more than happy to pay as little as they possibly can?
Where I do agree with the treefinder dude is that the never-ending quest to find low-cost or no cost labor creates a lot of social problems. But I think it's overly simplistic to blame all the world's problems on US imperialism like he does. I'm also disturbed by his fear over the "loss of European genetic heritage".
I'm sure that's true, due to your extensive knowledge. Also, most black people agree with you that black teens need to pull their pants up and stop blaming society for there problems, and most gays agree with you that homosexuals should have some legal protection but not be given full rights of marriage, which are historically understood to be between a man and a woman.
The liberals are making up these platforms all themselves! All people discriminated against, in any way, know that right wing Texans speak the truth.
Slashdot: providing anti-social weirdos a soapbox, since 1997.
Good thing you have no ancestors in you phylogenetic tree that were immigrants.
Many moons ago I worked part time in Berkeley. Frequently the store would have homeless people sleeping or just generally loitering in the vicinity. The Boss (tm) came up with the bright idea to try to hire them to sweep up the fallen leaves and litters around the store. His "kind" offer of $5 an hour (when minimum wage was $6 + change) were rejected by every single homeless persons in the area; apparently they were getting $15+ an hour panhandling on fairly consistent basis.
Agreed. We need to make the whole world a better place to live. When massive amounts of people emigrate from a land, it means that we have failed in doing that.
He disagrees with some of the political decisions made by the politicians in some countries.
Thus he is banning the use of his software by non-politician academics who happen to be in those countries. Regardless of the actual views those scientists have - and note it is affecting biologists which isn't exactly a field famous for being politically powerful and driving country level politics.
It's exactly childish - lashing out at something almost but not quite related to the thing you are angry about.
or you can pay a decent wage?
That's not very "business friendly."
They need access to affordable healthcare!
And you think that happens in America?
In Dec 2014, we paid $146/month for health insurance.
In Jan 2015, the price for less coverage and a 50% higher deductible was $320/month.
In Jan 2016, the price goes to $360/month. That's a 246% increase in 13 months.
Thank you President Obama, though I really think it is insurance companies using the new requirements to blame anyone who forces them to do what is right. In the end, we get screwed.
Not sure what migrant workers have to do with this. It isn't like they create new pharmaceutical treatments or fill nursing or PA or MD positions.
"What's the point of having a policy and then not following it?"
Or a Constitution.
Oh, wait....
It's not childish at all, businesses commonly withdraw their services because they don't consent to something, often times political. As a software developer this is his 'business'. How is this different? Please contrast with thing like beating up refugees.
love is just extroverted narcissism
He took his ball and went home.
Actually, this story is leftist (or rightist if you're a paleoconservative), or more specifically, anti-globalist as someone else commented earlier. The developer is looking at refugee problem in the context of a global scheme to weaken nation-state sovereignty. You know, the move to a "One World" government goal that all politicians make rhetorical references to? Well, guess what, they're not being rhetorical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strobe_Talbott#cite_note-14
"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
–in Time magazine, America Abroad: The Birth of the Global Nation, Monday, July 20, 1992
Did OkCupid act like an asshole when they blocked Firefox to demonstrate their disdain for Mozilla's CEO?
Yeah, pretty much. They were both dicks. Restricting access to software to those whose political beliefs you share is going down a pretty dark path.
That's where they should go to. Same religion, relative peace, passable standards of living, an entire nation to be built, etc.
Yeah, exactly. This is pretty much the same as Kim Davis, except that Jobb is only inconveniencing himself.
He can take whatever stand he likes as far as I'm concerned, whether noble or petty. It's his right to do so. But if he doesn't do his job (which for a scientist includes not actively preventing other researchers from replicating your results), he has to face the consequences for that.
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He states this: "Starting from 1st February 2015, I do no longer permit the usage of my TREEFINDER software in the USA. For all other countries, the old license agreement remains valid."
But then he states this: "I want to stress that this license change is not against my colleagues in the USA, but against a small rich elite there that misuses the country's power to rule the world.
Which leaves it ambiguous as to whom the licensing change really affects. Is it the whole of the USA, or just the USA rich elite excluding his scientific colleagues?
My guess would be that if this came up in a court case, these changes to his original license (or maybe all of it) would be struck down for being too ambiguous and overly broad. In which case, the software would simply be covered by the copyright laws of his country. I suspect he knows this and is simply using this licensing issue as a way to voice his dissent to the refugee/immigration policies of Europe and the US.
Childish or conscientious? Personally, I'd say conscientious in context of the globalists goals he's protesting.
First you might want to ask the EU why they are not following their own policies and procedures with the immigrants.
Why not contrast it with eating a banana? Since it has more relevance to that than beating up refugees.
None-childish asshole businesses withdraw there services in some way that impacts the politics they don't like. This is refusing service to all people with the name "Fred" because someone with the name "Alan" holds a different political view to himself.
When entity A punishes group B because entity A disagrees with entity C ... then, yes, I'm afraid "asshole" is how I would interpret that.
Going all "boo hoo, I'm taking my ball and going home" is pretty much the epitome of childish.
Please, shove your liberal and conservative crap up your ass, because I really don't care.
I rank this right up with "no black people can use my software because I dislike Jamie Foxx". It's stupid, petulant, and childish. I don't much care what the issue is.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Open source doesn't mean free.
But Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.
love is just extroverted narcissism
Legal or illegal Mexican immigrants? I live in San Antonio and we are extremely tolerant toward legal Mexican immigrants. The Mexican Americans are not please with the illegal ones due to the jobs and resources they lose/share. For the most part, they really look down on them.
Maybe that's just a San Antonio thing. In the rest of the country, Mexican Americans are trying every rhetorical and legal trick they can to make illegal immigrants welcomed. That includes:
*) Lobbying for "sanctuary city" status, where the local government is prohibited from working with state/feds unless the subject is suspected of non-immigration-related crimes.
*) Opposition to the phrase "illegal immigrants," because they say a person can't be illegal. Even though their very presence is a continued, illegal action, that there's pretty much nothing they can do short of returning across the border without it being illegal.
*) Using "immigrant" as much as possible to describe both legal and illegal immigrants. They want to blur that line as much as possible so they can attack politicians and other groups for being "anti-immigrant," when they only oppose illegal immigrants.
*) The usual cries about pulling apart families, etcetc.
*) Not bring up the issue of legal immigrants going through the legal process and waiting to become US citizens. They don't want to talk about that at all.
I disagree with the assertion that most of the support comes from white people. Just listen to Latino USA on NPR, watch Univision, or other Hispanic or Mexican American channels. It's stated by both sides without controversy that the reason Republicans have so little support with Hispanic/Mexican-American is their illegal immigration stance, and their attempts to court those ethnicities is a big reason why Republicans have blocked action on illegal immigration matters.
Nor is it friendly to people coming up from the bottom of nothingness, as many immigrants do.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
So. Who decides who enters the country? The citizens or everyone else? And what do you do with immigrants that do not want to conform to the norms of the parent country?
It's not simply a matter of calling someone a neo-na%i f**ta7d
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
most gays agree with you that homosexuals should have some legal protection but not be given full rights of marriage
Is that so? I disagree.
Would you like to expand on exactly which rights of marriage you think that homosexuals should NOT have?
Lets not forget people which im not gonna name here, start wars because someone with he name "'Hussein", "Ghaddafi" or "Assad" holds a different political view then themselves. I would have preferred them to act in a similar childish way and not bombing whole countries back into stone age.
Now they dont take any of the refugees, neither do their powerful and wealthy arab allies. Nope, Europe has to. But dare any European to speak up, then he is either a Nazi or acting in a childish way. Thank you, very much.
There's a world of difference between refusing to allow your work to be seen as endorsing a politician whose views you despise, and refusing to allow your work to be used by ordinary people who happen to live in a country with a political position you disagree with.
Remember that many of the people who are banned from using this bit of software agree with its author.
That's a far cry from Bruce Springsteen saying he'd prefer Trump not play "Born in the USA" at his campaign rallies (I have no idea if Trump has done that, or Bruce would object - though I'd guess he probably would, but the point is it's a different situation.)
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Thankfully, his download link still works here in Texas. Looks like someone has not done his due diligence to protect his intellectual property!
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/robert-reich-what-happened-my-tour-through-red-state-america
So there's a shift (or rather a return) in the attitudes of the Republican base where, after several decades of the reverse being true, Big Business is now becoming just as suspect as Big Government and suddenly the liberals are infatuated with identity politics over economic concerns that affect middle class and poor.
The problem there is that OKCupid never blocked Firefox. They presented Firefox users with a message expressing their concerns, but the website was otherwise entirely accessible to Firefox users.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
When you signal, or indicate, or make obvious; your righteous, virtuous feelings and opinions on a subject.
This is in order to establish your reputation as virtuous.
But people need to know how much better I am than the unenlightened. How are they supposed to understand that in a short thread or Slashdot story without just coming right out with the outrage?
Being largely political in nature, I'm not entirely sure that this is a discussion regarding this issue requires a reasonable perspective... :p
Most progressives love it when a license agreement is used to foist a political point of view on other people. The GPL is a very political license. It's funny to see that when somebody exercises the right to apply his own license to his own software with a political agenda progressives don't like they get upset.
I personally liked the "good old days" before a soviet-style crap-sandwich of "everything is political" arose in America. Software licenses USED to just be about how many copies of an application could be made, bans on de-compiling, etc. and not any political agendas.
You kids, git off my lawn!
I agree both are being assholes, but if you go back and read about that other controversy, the spin was far different. There is a social revolution going on, and it's made possible by the Internet and related technologies. You may not care for A vs B, it may fuel a lot of childish actions, but it's going on and it's relevant. It's shaping the course of politics and social norms which will inevitably impact all of us.
It's amazing how once you make something legal, it's no longer illegal. Those tricky Mexicans!!
Obama needs his cheap arugula.
The immigration in Europe is a disaster. They've imported third world garbage into first world nations. They are behaving like they are still inthe the third world. Shitting outside, treating the local women as if they cattle like they treat their own women, bitching about the churches. Fucking Barbarians. They should be sent back to die at the hands of their own brethren.
70% of the are military age men.
It's very clear. It says that it's not permitted in the USA. His follow-up statement is a statement about his intents.
Make immigrants program an open source version of that software, and re-publish the paper replacing that shitty software.. Maybe thank those immigrants by giving them residency too.. Problem solved.
I believe the first principle in a "democracy" is that politicians we elect represent the population. Based on this, even if I disagree with what my government is doing, even if I didn't vote for the current party in power, I'm still responsible for the actions of my government.
It's the cultural differences that matter.
In the EU the cultures don't vary much, even when comparing most western to most eastern countries. Turks, Syrians, Kurds are very very different than, say, Romanians, Greeks or Bulgarians.
This matters a lot because while you change the country, changing yourself is hard and many of them bring that culture with them, finding it easier to compromise a little and continue as they did back home instead of adopting everything from their new country.
This is what angers people when it comes to immigrants. They don't see them as fellow citizens born in another country, but foreigners with the same rights and benefits, but with additional perks. Recognition from the state for their special status, help to integrate in various ways, belonging to a minority, political or social group. I don't know any social psychology but it's all there.
To get back to your issue, Mexico is USAs neighbor and both cultures interconnect a lot. There are very few cultural barriers and most of them are either understood by both sides or simply accepted as normal.
Personally, I was curious about moving to another country early in life, but it was just wanderlust. If you can't make a home where you are now, changing the geographical location won't help much. Of course, living in a country with any kind of war going is different matter.
No, it's not clear at all. Jesus, its a political rant, not a licensing agreement. The very fact he puts a qualifier at the end which specifies to whom the change is directed puts the integrity of this license as a legal instrument into doubt. Plus, though I'm not familiar with German laws on the matter, putting discriminatory language in a licensing agreement without a legally recognized cause for doing so probably voids the license as well. I can't think of any kind of license which would exclude the entire population of a nation state being help up as valid unless the licensor's country had laws which allow a provision in the license to do so. For instance, because of US embargoes of Iran or Cuba, a US developer could put a clause in the license forbidding users in those states from using his software, but if he put one in prohibiting users in Great Britain, I doubt that would hold up in court.
Yes you do- or can. It's all about efficiency and productivity though. Paying someone who produces 1000 units an hour an extra 10 dollars per hour comes out to just 1 cent difference on the per unit costs.Of course taxes add to it and it wouldn't be that simple because there would be an additional employment tax as well as social security and so on on top of that 10 dollars but you can get the point easily.
It is a lot harder however when you are providing services of some sort or when the production is lower. At 100 units per hour, the cost difference would be roughly 10 cents per unit (not considering taxes and all). So if someone could pick your tomatoes at a rate of 100 packs an hour (lets say 2 tomatoes to a pack), paying them $20 an hour would have a cost associated with 20 cents on each pack of tomatoes purchased. Paying them a minimum wage of $7.25 per hour would be 13 some cents cheaper so it isn't a huge cost increase to pay them a little more.
Where it hurts is when you can only service or produce 10 units per hour. An extra $10 dollar per hour would be $1 per unit. A typical waitress at one of these full service chain restaurants can likely handle 4 to 6 tables an hour depending on the number of people at each table. If every table leave $2 for a tip, they are earning $8 to $12 more per hour than their base salary. But as restaurants usually have it, they are not packed enough at all times of the day to enable this type of turnover so there will be several hours which the waitress/waiter would only service 1 or 2 units per hour and you would need a tip increased quite a bit to make up the difference.
This has been a problem since before humans were humans, humans and most other primates are highly territorial, they naturally form tribes with a hierarchical social structure. It's possible our invention of civilization will eventually change that but it hasn't happened yet, however it has dramatically changed the size of our tribes from a few hundred to hundreds of millions and those who attempt to swap tribes are likely to survive the ordeal, the behaviour of our species is moving away from the standard primate model, it now behaves like a cross between human tribalism and a technologically advanced termite mound.
At the end of the day the fighting is always about resources but we justify and rationalise it with our natural xenophobia. This is the way "nature intended", it is in the wetware toolbox we were given at birth. Peaceful co-existence in a land of plenty is what we all want, ironically our xenophobic tendencies mean we are more than willing to wipe out other tribes to get it.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
The Mexican Americans are not pleased with the illegal ones due to the jobs and resources they lose/share
That's just human nature. People who have jumped thru all the legal hoops think everyone else should do the same, regardless of the purpose of those hoops. It doesn't matter if the hoops are irrationally based on a lottery, they jumped the hoops and having done so they will feel superior to those who walked around, the more insane the hoops the more superior they feel.
As for "stealing jobs" - that is an illogical but common attitude. More than any other nation, US economic and military might was built on the backs of immigrants (both free and forced).
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
It also meant that no one was allowed to marry who had no wealth to pass on. Homeless people were not allowed to marry. People without a profession were not allowed to marry. People without their own business or without an estate were not allowed to marry etc.pp.
Of course they don't. They're Black African - San tribe, probably. Sheesh. They've been there since we humans crawled down from the trees! Immigration? No, not them. They're not tainted with that stain - they're black people, still residing in sub-Saharan western Africa. (I bet that pisses their parents off.)
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Did he get to the part where all those things were done to us by Democrats? (except possibly the carried interest tax deal, don't know about that one)
Hell, a couple of them, Reich is partly responsible for himself.
It is really scary how the Democrats can set up a narrative and that instantly becomes the new reality.
Is no one going to ask the question of whether this guy's manifesto has any legal authority?
Is no one going to point out that the version of the software referenced in the paper is still available on the terms the journal approves of?
Has Slashdot really become this non-autistic to avoid technical points of law and software contracting/licensing debates?
It makes sense. The scientists in the disallowed countries can no longer verify the work using the software. The findings are, to them, unreproducible. They can not further the science. I hope that the paper's author can reproduce the work with something else, easily.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
I'd say nice strawman but you completely missed on the covertly part so I guess troll would be a better description
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I'd try to address your counterpoint, but I can't really find one in your comment.
You make me want to write some open source code, something quick and easy, and disallow its use by white, heterosexual, males. Maybe I'll bang out a quick PHP script that incorporates CAPTCHA or something stupid - something where there are plenty of alternatives. Just to see what happens. To release under my own name or what... Hmm... GitHub? :D
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Strangely, back home, we've a lot of immigrants of the illegal variety. The current assumption is that they're not actually noticed and so aren't really counted very well. See, they're white. They come from Canada and work in the woods, drive pulp trucks, and things like that. They speak Canadian French so I sort of understand them now but it has taken some work. They're high enough in population that, by conversation, I've managed to pick up on the language fairly well. Well, enough to find a bathroom, order food, and get nookie. La bier est tres bien! Merci!
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
what a load of bullshit. thats hardly even correlation, let alone causation. how do those stats relate to immigrants? could it not be that the goal posts are set lower in Sweden, e.g. sex without a condom is considered rape?
In many cases, the only rights they wish to withhold are the rights to the use of the name. I tend to agree but for different reasons. My reasoning is that it is a contract between two people and should be treated as such. There's a separation between church and State. The State should not be in the business of marriage. The State should be handing out civil union contracts. The fundies are able to engage in whatever silly rituals they want and call themselves whatever they want but all prior marriages should be automatically converted to civil unions and we should use only civil unions going forward and stop with this silliness in its entirety. Fuck the fundies. Let them have their silly rituals and names. Keep the State out of it. The whole ordeal could have been rendered null and void with just a wee little bit of thinking.
Nobody ever listens to David. Ever... *sighs* It would have pissed off the fundies to no end but what could they do? It would have solved the whole problem, once and for all. It also would have been an excellent IRL troll. Civil unions for everybody! Including turtles!
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
All NAZIs are stupid
Yes you do- or can. It's all about efficiency and productivity though. Paying someone who produces 1000 units an hour an extra 10 dollars per hour comes out to just 1 cent difference on the per unit costs.Of course taxes add to it and it wouldn't be that simple because there would be an additional employment tax as well as social security and so on on top of that 10 dollars but you can get the point easily.
It is a lot harder however when you are providing services of some sort or when the production is lower. At 100 units per hour, the cost difference would be roughly 10 cents per unit (not considering taxes and all). So if someone could pick your tomatoes at a rate of 100 packs an hour (lets say 2 tomatoes to a pack), paying them $20 an hour would have a cost associated with 20 cents on each pack of tomatoes purchased. Paying them a minimum wage of $7.25 per hour would be 13 some cents cheaper so it isn't a huge cost increase to pay them a little more.
Where it hurts is when you can only service or produce 10 units per hour. An extra $10 dollar per hour would be $1 per unit. A typical waitress at one of these full service chain restaurants can likely handle 4 to 6 tables an hour depending on the number of people at each table. If every table leave $2 for a tip, they are earning $8 to $12 more per hour than their base salary. But as restaurants usually have it, they are not packed enough at all times of the day to enable this type of turnover so there will be several hours which the waitress/waiter would only service 1 or 2 units per hour and you would need a tip increased quite a bit to make up the difference.
For a single tomato, 20 cents a tomato vs. 8 cents doesn't seem like a lot but to someone like a Sam's Club who buys millions of tomatoes it's a huge difference. And you have to remember that picking the tomato is just one step in the process of getting it to the produce counter. If you paid everyone along with way $20 an hour, the cost of a single tomato would be much larger than it is today. The other thing about tomatoes (and produce in general) is that there's a huge amount of loss between the time they are picked and the time they are bought. I used to work in a produce department while in college. We'd sometimes throw away entire cases as soon as they came off the truck. For the remaining cases, a certain percentage wasn't fit to sell, so they would get tossed in the process of filling the display. Then a couple of times a day at least, the ones on display would be gone through and the ones started to look bad would get pulled.
It wouldn't surprise me at all that for every tomato sold, at least one is tossed and that money has to be recouped in the price of the tomatoes that actually get sold.
I'll give you a hint: science has nothing to do with politics, and restricting access to science based on lack of support for Nazi policies makes him a neo-Nazi fucktard. And you a neo-Nazi sympathizer.
LOL you thought that in those stories, they had purchased a license?! LMAO ROFLCOPTER
No, 100% of the cases are pirating. And a venue's license for public performance doesn't extend into also being a license for product or political endorsement. You need a separate license to use something for promotion, you don't just pay the 10 cents like on a radio play of the actual song.
There is nothing wrong with taking your ball and going home. If you don't want to play, don't.
This is a different situation, though. It wasn't just his ball; it was a ball he had offered for the scientific community to play with under known, agreed rules. Then later he told them he was creating new rules, and scientists who are nice to people named Ahmed have to sit out. And so they told him no, nobody is going to borrow your ball at all anymore, take it and go home.
And so many internet threads were simultaneously Godwin'd that a million Ceiling Cats were killed, sucked into the sudden void. F'kin' Nazis, trying to ruin the internet.
He does not necessarily have the right to change license terms after people come to rely on the software, though. So it requires more than a simple reading, you'd need actual arguments to attempt to convince that there is some special reason he'd be able to alter those agreements after the fact.
He has every right to restrict new access. But what he claimed to do, he can't actually do. But they have to withdraw anyways, to protect those new people.
So I think here, he was an ass substantially beyond what his actual rights are, even in addition to violating the publishing terms that he had agreed to, and that is why the smackdown is not at all controversial. It really isn't obviously the case that you have a "right" to violate an agreement. It isn't enough simply to point to consequences as an additional right.
You think its bad with a bunch of Turks around, visit any small town in north Florida for a couple weeks and you'll sure be glad they can't swim that far.
And then consider: there are places in the world so awful, so dreadful, people actually risk their lives trying to sail to Florida.
You think it is bad now, just wait a few more years to see what happens when these nazis rile up enough of their neighbors to win an election and we have to go burn them in the streets again, like in Dresden. Nazis never learn, and after a few decades their neighbors sometimes forget. Ooops, did you live in the same town as the Nazis? My advice, burn them individually before we have to come clean it up for you, because we use a big stick for that, not a scalpel.
I live in San Antonio and we are extremely tolerant toward legal Mexican immigrants
If you have to "tolerate" legitimate neighbors, you might not be as "tolerant" as you think you are.
If that was your point then I agree with you. Not that I'm a neo-Nazi fucktard but that restricting access for these reasons is pathetic.
However people don't have a right to go to another country - against the wishes of those who live there - and impose their way on life on the people there. I'm an atheist. How do you think the Saudi's or Iranians would think if I went there and demanded that they respect my wishes and my way of life? People that immigrate to another country should respect the culture of that place.
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There was this old guy who was a friend of my wife's family who was smart, and funny, and an all around reasonable guy -- unless the topic of hispanics came up. And then it was like he was a totally different person. He became a ranter, and everyone around him would try to change the subject.
It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that he hated Hispanics. As far as he was concerned if you were born hispanic that automatically made you useless, human trash. For the life of me I couldn't figure out where he got that hatred. As it turns out I grew up in the same neighborhood he did, albeit forty years later, and only when I was a kid were there many hispanics moving in. He'd moved up in the world after WW2; he left the neighborhood and lived in a series of lily-white suburbs. So as far as I could tell he'd never even *known* any hispanics personally.
And in the end I came to the conclusion that was the whole point. He didn't hate backs, or Poles, or Jews, or Catholics or Italians -- because he grew up in a neighborhood with all of those kinds of people, or served with them during the war. His opinions on hispanics was formed in a kind of vacuum. After that forty years of confirmation bias, unchecked by any actual firsthand experience turned what had been commonplace casual bigotry into full-blown batshit craziness.
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What a legend,
someone who has the balls to stand up for his people/country.
Keep ranting on about your PC rubbish though, please. It's entertaining.
If it wasn't just his ball, how was he able to change the licensing?
Reminds me of grsecurity and how they've closed source their stable patches even though it's a derivative work.
Interesting. I made this exact comment a couple years ago and was labeled racist. I grew up in what is now a hispanic neighborhood so naturally most people I know and friends are hispanic and they weren't too apply with all the undocumented folks moving in that they had to go through the whole formal process to get.
And what do you do with immigrants that do not want to conform to the norms of the parent country?
Most of the immigrants want to live decently. Even ones that come because of better welfare. Few of them already have high education, many of them are willing to learn. They are not only stealing jobs, but also creating new ones as they spend.
These people do not differ from the people already living in whatever country. Sure there is some cultural differences but deep down we are all the same. It makes no sense except different kind of behavior when it comes to rules.
Certain percentage is always hostile, this is also true among locals. There is no reason to think that different kind of control is needed.
Sure these people need a lot of support at the beginning. The thing that slows down integration most is the idiocy and attitude of locals. If you are not friendly, do not except immigrants to respect you. Most of the problems with immigrants are caused by locals.
In the long run, it does not matter why people came to the country. All people are workforce that increases GDP, at least statistically. Governments can think farther then one generation, grandchildren of immigrants will be well integrated and willing to want all the stuff we want and they need to work to get it.
I agree. So everybody of European descent in North America... if you would kindly board the boats in an orderly line...
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
Well its a good thing the actual figure is more like 0.000001% then. If it was any higher we would be extinct.
Oh and EU law requires all member countries to accept all refugees. No exceptions. Germany is actually following the law. German people also overwhelmingly support this. When Munich police asked for supplies to help get refugees setted in just three hours they had received so much they had to beg people to stop donating !
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
That is abject nonsense. The differences are minor, and pale into insignificance when you consider some people in "EU cultures" are far-left and some far-right, which is surely a far greater difference than just drinking a different kind of tea or dinner.
I'm happy that you haven't had to move country to find a good life, but to condemn others for doing so is pathetic, as it's been a constant of human existence since we first climbed down from the trees.
His license restriction won't work in the United States. He says "USA has already been excluded from using Treefinder in February 2015," but his exclusion is ineffective in the United States. You can download his work without agreeing to any license, and under United States law, once you lawfully possess a copy of a protected work, you need neither a license nor permission to use it. 17 USC 106 lists the things you do need a license or permission to do, such as preparing derivative works or distributing copies. Mere use is absolutely not covered.
And it would be somewhat silly if it worked any other way. Say you bought a book at the bookstore. Do you still need a license to read it? If so, where is that license? What are its terms?
Under United States law, one who lawfully possesses a protected work is entitled to the ordinary use of that work.
Sadly, his manifesto would be endorsed by the majority of people even in the countries he hates for welcoming immigrants. We freely allow the migration of money, but, but not people. Jobs don't have to climb a border wall, cross a sea or desert or even get a visa before leaving their home country.
Countries such as the US treat corporations as people, except when it comes to national borders. We require a passport for living-breathing people but not for corporations. I've never heard of a corporation being held against its will for decades in a prison/refugee camp while its immigration status is being evaluated. Corporations needn't cross deserts or crowd onto rickety boats. They are seldom convicted of treason or Logan act violations regardless of the havoc and resentment they create as representatives of their homeland in other parts of the world.
We don't bat an eye when a wealthy businessman distorts a third-world economy with their holiday home or an expat REIT vulture fund managed by former US VP Dan Quayle acquires and ruthlessly forecloses on hundreds of properties in Northern Ireland's 6 counties. Your portfolio now "owns" land that the Irish have struggled over for generations.
Gangolf, I don't know what immigrants did to you to make you so angry. I am one of the 232 million people who live outside my birth country. If we were counted, 0th generation immigrants would be the 5th most populous country in the world, ahead of Brazil. But we are shunned and labelled as if refugee == immigrant == illegal. I'm truly surprised that you count the US as a country that is "too welcoming." As an insular isolationist, you might not be aware that US immigration policy has changed considerably since the waves of 19th and early 20th century immigrants. The US solved its 1990s boat people crisis by warehousing refugees at Gitmo. It's solving the central American crisis by building a wall and letting people die. "Illegal" is a good definition of these border policies which violate international law. Rest assured that I will never use your software until you understand more about the people who provide a convenient scapegoat for politicians and a convenient target for your hate.
Homeless people were not allowed to marry. People without a profession were not allowed to marry. People without their own business or without an estate were not allowed to marry etc.pp.
This is sheer nonsense. You seem to be mixing it up with the right to vote or something.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Does this mean BMC Evolutionary Biology over time will retract all papers they have published as software for various reasons becomes unavailable? What will the back catalogue look like in 50 years?
For a single tomato, 20 cents a tomato vs. 8 cents doesn't seem like a lot but to someone like a Sam's Club who buys millions of tomatoes it's a huge difference. And you have to remember that picking the tomato is just one step in the process of getting it to the produce counter. If you paid everyone along with way $20 an hour, the cost of a single tomato would be much larger than it is today. The other thing about tomatoes (and produce in general) is that there's a huge amount of loss between the time they are picked and the time they are bought. I used to work in a produce department while in college. We'd sometimes throw away entire cases as soon as they came off the truck. For the remaining cases, a certain percentage wasn't fit to sell, so they would get tossed in the process of filling the display. Then a couple of times a day at least, the ones on display would be gone through and the ones started to look bad would get pulled. It wouldn't surprise me at all that for every tomato sold, at least one is tossed and that money has to be recouped in the price of the tomatoes that actually get sold.
Things aren't typically sold at the cheapest possible price, they are sold at the price that generates the maximum amount of profit. Increased labor costs will change that price to profit curve slightly, but if they could get away with selling the produce at a much higher price and still sell the same volume then they would be doing that already.
If the price is too high, for whatever reason, people will stop buying.
Yes. I vote BSD license spun in that manner.
WTF is "virtue signaling"? Am I already behind by another new term?
It's a meaningless right wing distractionary smear phrase like "SJW".
If I say something like "racism is a bad thing" then the reactionaries know they can't actually disagree and say that racism is a good thing, so instead I get accused of showing off how right-on and non-racist I am.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Read up on how muslim immigrant views towards sharia law. Take a look at rape statistics. Don't take my word for it. Look it up. Spend some time. This is an important issue that can't just be glossed over.
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You're conflating issues here and you know that. Empires expanded and contracted; wars of conquest were normal (good or bad). Agricultural people always saw uncultivated lands as unclaimed lands. This was true in China, Mesopotamia. Rome and the Americas.
We now have a DIFFERENT situation and your conflating them and coming up with a snarky is sign of your not willing to deal with the problems at hand. We have existing countries, with borders, with laws and in which the state compels it's citizens to act in a certain way. Now - what you're saying is that government can pass zoning laws to regulate density but they cannot control who comes into the country? The illogic of your position should be clear.
Now please, by pass the snarky comments, and confront the issue.
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In this particular case. It doesn't matter because tree finder is out of date and shit. But it should be noted that he did this work while doing a PhD (which he refused to finish). Also not solo. I am not sure he is the sole legal copyright holder.
br Yea i sort of am personally know the guy. Sort of. in a round about way. He has been a certified nut job for the ten years I was on his batshit insane mailing list.
If information wants to be free, why does my internet connection cost so much?
>Recently, it's grown primarily because of the actions and crimes committed by a number of these migrants, as well as the increased strain on the far-more-generous social welfare systems of these countries (which as a corollary, appears to be leading to even higher taxation).
In almost all cases, per capita crime rate is highest among people who were born in the country, who, in an ironic twist, point their fingers at immigrants.
>If you think the Germans are vicious about it, you should take a gander at Nebelspalter [nebelspalter.ch] (a Swiss parody magazine) and look up the opinions there on the subject...
By that logic, you should check out the opinion pieces published in the right-wing US "Intelligence Report" and see how incredibly racist the average American is.
People who try to paint their personal views about entire countries like this, be it Japan or Sweden or whatever the other "hot"country of the month is, need some kind of reality check. "I hear that, in Japan, people are supper polite and crime rates are low. We should try the same thing in this country!"
"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015
Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...
See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.
+ Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
---
I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!
"figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015
How else can I programmatically update it?
---
"it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015
Hypocrite later admits it!
Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!
Guess what?
Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.
---
"Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?
---
"90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:
"I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"
It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
APK
P.S.=> Continued in #2/5... apk
"Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date!
---
"your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!
---
"won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...
---
"What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.
---
"the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
See just above!
---
"What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
Hasn't happened!
---
"They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
It still works there!
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/5... apk
"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:
Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
&
Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
---
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
---
You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...
Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!
* YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk
"nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)
I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).
"APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).
There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.
What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.
You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!
All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.
It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.
"it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)
Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)
(& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)
I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?
CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk
"but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?
"I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.
"posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).
"I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)
No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.
"Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
"Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!
"I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
BS - See my last 4 posts here!
APK
P.S.=>
"I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk
"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015
Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...
See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.
+ Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
---
I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!
"figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015
How else can I programmatically update it?
---
"it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015
Hypocrite later admits it!
Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!
Guess what?
Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.
---
"Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?
---
"90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:
"I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"
It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
APK
P.S.=> Continued in #2/5... apk
"Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date!
---
"your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!
---
"won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...
---
"What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.
---
"the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
See just above!
---
"What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
Hasn't happened!
---
"They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
It still works there!
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/5... apk
"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:
Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
&
Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
---
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
---
You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...
Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!
* YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk
"nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)
I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).
"APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).
There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.
What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.
You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!
All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.
It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.
"it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)
Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)
(& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)
I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?
CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk
"but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?
"I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.
"posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).
"I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)
No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.
"Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
"Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!
"I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
BS - See my last 4 posts here!
APK
P.S.=>
"I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk
It's not simply a matter of calling someone a neo-na%i f**ta7d
Except when someone's being a neo-nazi fucktard. In that case, feel free to call them a neo-nazi fucktard.
I always joke about this with my wife. She's an "anchor baby".
Democrats are pro-immigration, because if we sent all the Mexicans back to Mexico, their immediate response is: "Then who's going to scrub my toilets and mow my lawn for peanuts?!" while telling us that they're no-longer than pro-slavery party.
After that forty years of confirmation bias, unchecked by any actual firsthand experience turned what had been commonplace casual bigotry into full-blown batshit craziness.
The sad unfortunate thing with confirmation bias, is that it can sometimes win even when checked by direct experiences. I've know several people that will rant about a specific ethnic or racial group, yet have close friends or highly valued coworkers from those groups. They just rationalize it by saying, "Well, that person isn't anything like the types I am complaining about, they're different than most people in the group I'm complaining about, so don't really count."
*** SMACK*** is the sound of dave420 going down eating his words getting bitchslapped by apk http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
OK, but the journal should never have published a paper describing it. As a sibling post pointed out, they wouldn't be the only journal that would only allow a paper describing software to be published if that software was open source.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Actually it's not really different at all. Nation-states with borders, social rules/norms, and laws all existed prior to European colonization of North America (and on both continents, no less).
If you want your statements to carry weight and not be easily dismissed you really should provide your OWN references. "It's true! Just look it up!" doesn't make for a very convincing argument.
Yes, but I still believe that they are a minority and consider them as few bad apples in a batch. You can take any group of people and always some percentage of them are evil. This was exactly my point. Unfortunately they get to be on the rampage too long before they are caught, but they are caught sooner or later. I still encourage to catch as many criminals as possible before letting them in.
I've seen plenty of them working. They harvest crops, work construction, pave roads or anything where they need cheap labor. If it weren't for the flood of people from South of the border I don't know how all this stuff would get done.
And yet, somehow all of those things get done in states like Hawaii and Alaska, places where illegal immigration isn't a significant contributor to the workforce.
The one bright spot to illegal immigration might be if the minimum wage goes to $15 an hour. Replacing whoever they can with illegal chump-change labor will save businesses a fortune. And I assume the pro-illegal-immigration crowd will think that's swell, because they'll be "doing the work Americans won't do" that they're always citing as justification for it.
I saw one video of buses loading up in Turkey and it looked like a defeated army. That's just what Europe needs. I can't wait to see it.
I noticed when I was vacationing in Hawaii (Oahu) that houses there cost a bitch load of money. A dump that would sell for 30 grand here was over 300 thousand there. I can't see how you could possibly live on Oahu at 15 dollars an hour.
True but the OP was talking about European immigrants displacing the Native American population and that was what I was referring to. Britain's actions in India was one of conquest; in North America conquest and colonization of an "unused" space.
That is not what's occurring now. Unless you are insinuating that immigrants are a hostile force attempting to conquer or colonize the countries they are entering. (By the way - that is NOT my viewpoint. My parents were immigrants. My wife is an immigrant. Most of my friends are immigrants or children of immigrants.)
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
You should look at the definition of tolerance. You don't have to like something or someone to be tolerant. Hell, you can despise someone and still tolerate them. Tolerate means that even if I hate your fucking guts I just leave you alone and go along to get along and keep the peace. A person that does that is by definition "tolerant."
It was open source. He has retroactively changed the licence. Again, he probably can't even do that.
If information wants to be free, why does my internet connection cost so much?
Illegals come over our border without our permission.
That is just an accusation in the form of a tautology. Of course they come over our border without our permission, that is why they are called illegals.
They bring in drugs which ruin the lives of our citizens, some of them are rapists and murderers and continue their habits when they're here.
As opposed to the citizens who are already ruining their lives with drugs sold by native citizens? Lol, I am so glad you are keen on saving us from dirty 'foreign' drugs. Also, rapists and murders? Really? Why not call em' godless commies too, since you are throwing around baseless labels.
They use up welfare that our productive citizens worked hard to pay the taxes for-- and the illegal immigrants don't pay into this system, or if some do they don't pay nearly as much as a citizen does.
Not sure how they do that without a SSN or birth certificate, but its your racist rant.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!