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Ask Slashdot: How To Determine If One Is On a Watchlist?

An anonymous reader writes: On Slashdot, we joke about it all the time: 'I did a Google search for 'pressure cooker' and I connected a bunch of times to the Tor network to download some Linux distribution .torrent files... I must be on some sort of watchlist now.' There have been news articles about people being questioned in airports and given special attention for being political activists. How can one determine is one is on a watchlist of some sort? Are there any Slashdot users who are knowingly on a watchlist? What sort of suspicious special attention have you received?

400 comments

  1. Board a plane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Board a plane for a domestic or international flight, and you will definitely find out.

    1. Re:Board a plane? by viperidaenz · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to wear a turban

    2. Re:Board a plane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For about three years, EVERY time I flew, I got extended searching. Then I made friends with a TSA agent, and mentioned it. Took me about two years before I got searched again.

      I have noticed that since I joined the trusted traveler program, I get less frequent extended searches.

    3. Re:Board a plane? by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 2

      Sikhs wear turbans, not Muslims

    4. Re:Board a plane? by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sikhs are the good guys. I want to see several of them on a plane. I feel safer anywhere when they're around.

    5. Re:Board a plane? by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Especially those open-carrying knives^Wkirpan.

    6. Re:Board a plane? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      How To Determine If One Is On a Watchlist?

      Measure the thickness of their tin hat.

    7. Re:Board a plane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sikhs are the good guys. I want to see several of them on a plane. I feel safer anywhere when they're around.

      Uh, Canada's largest act of terrorism was committed by Sikh terrorists. Blew up a plane no less.

    8. Re:Board a plane? by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and a TSA agent is going to know the difference?

    9. Re:Board a plane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless there's a female in the vicinity. If there is, a gang rape followed by an honor killing might be in the cards.

    10. Re:Board a plane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Domestic, not so much, but international, you bet.
      I have to plan between 2 and 3 hours each time I attempt to fly into the US.
      The best thing about this: it's for such a stoopid reason that the last two custom officers actually _apologized_ for sending me to the slow line.
      So it's somehow _very_ apparent in my file.
      Can you believe that ? Custom officer apologizing ?

    11. Re:Board a plane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wearing turbans is common among Sikhs, who refer to it as a Dastar. In certain other faith communities, the headgear also serves as a religious observance, including among Muslims, who regard turban-wearing as Sunnah Mu'akkadah (confirmed tradition).

    12. Re:Board a plane? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      search slashdot for posts using your login. if posts.count > 0, you are on a watchlist.

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    13. Re:Board a plane? by Asgerix · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sikhs wear turbans, not Muslims

      Well duh! Of course Sikhs don't wear Muslims.

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    14. Re:Board a plane? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I have to plan between 2 and 3 hours each time I attempt to fly into the US.

      This is true even if you're a couple from the UK with two kids going to Disney World. I always assumed that the "watch list" just meant "anyone foreign".

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    15. Re:Board a plane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was in an airport about to come home from defcon and while waiting for the plane i was playing with a lot of gadgets and had a good mess of wires going across my lap. The guy sitting across from me was an "ac repair" man who was in great shape and was traveling to North Carolina on our flight with just one book bag, definably a fed. I got on the plane no problem and while we were unboarding the pilot was wishing everyone a good day but when he got to me he used my name saying "Have a good day Mr. Smith". I wasn't wearing a name tag or anything. Pretty sure I am on at least one watch list. And now every time I get on a flight I always get the full body scan, gun powder residue checks and often they do a pat down for no solid reason.

    16. Re:Board a plane? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      OMG, I'm screwed...

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    17. Re:Board a plane? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Yup. I have a common name. Since 2001 I've gotten hassled when entering, travelling in, or flying near the US. Sometimes it's just extra "random" screening (five times while making a single connection in the US once). When crossing the border it's usually a forty minute interview in the back room.

      The guy they're currently looking for scares the crap out of border guards. In airports, when they know you're coming, it's hand-on-gun-follow-me. But at land crossings, where they don't get an advance list of names it can be more exciting. I was crossing from Canada to New York once and, after being asked to pass my keys to the border guard, I looked around to see thirteen other guards rushing my car with drawn and aimed weapons. My passenger and I were handcuffed at gunpoint and dragged into separate isolation cells. I was left in handcuffs and further cuffed to the bench. An hour or so later an agent walked in and said "you're not black, are you?" After establishing that I didn't match the physical description in some very obvious ways, they fingerprinted me and let me go. The border guards were practically giddy, post stress.

    18. Re:Board a plane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sikhs wear turbans, not Muslims

      The average MURICAN doesn't know the difference.

    19. Re:Board a plane? by DhulKarnain · · Score: 1

      Tell that to Indira Gandhi, the late Indian PM. Her own Sikh bodyguards killed her. P.S. it would be wise not to think about the world in terms of a 5 year old, i.e. good and bad guys.

    20. Re: Board a plane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some Muslims do wear turbans, which I saw first hand in Afghanistan.

    21. Re:Board a plane? by pupsocket · · Score: 1

      Sikhs wear turbans, not Muslims

      In North America, Muslims rarely wear turbans and Sikh men often do, but turbans are climate-appropriate headgear, formalwear, and religious custom in many places where Islam prevails.

      In Iran, for instance, a green turban indicates a Sayyed, a religious leader with a bloodline descending from the Prophet.

    22. Re:Board a plane? by Lakitu · · Score: 1

      But did they blow up a plane with several Sikhs on it?

    23. Re:Board a plane? by TechnoJoe · · Score: 0

      That might not be as revealing as you think. Instead, try to buy a gun.

  2. All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We are all on a watchlist because the US government deems itself to be above the law.

    1. Re:All of us by meerling · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd be shocked if I wasn't with the way those paranoid asshats 'work' since I was in the military as a Munitions Systems Specialist (IYAAYAS!), and am an old school computer geek, and several other things that though totally legal, are things the paranoid TLAs (3 letter acronym/agency) has listed as stuff the are paranoid about. So yeah, I always assume they are reading my every posts, and by now their file must be getting full because I like to sprinkle in the occasional keyword like terrorist or explosives just to try and trigger their alert script. I figured if the creeps are spying on me without a warrant and valid suspicions, I should make their work as hard as possible! Personally I haven't met many people from any of those groups, but the few I have were uniformly egotistical, paranoid, irrational, and rather low on the intellect scales. I'm sure there must be somebody intelligent working for them, and pity that poor damned soul.

    2. Re:All of us by mi · · Score: 2

      the few I have were uniformly egotistical, paranoid, irrational, and rather low on the intellect scales

      Exactly the types, in other words, attracted by the tedious stability of working for the government (except the military).

      The uniformed kind are even worse, for those jobs provide an occasional right to order other people around — which is especially attractive to assholes, whose most glorious days peaked in highschool.

      Next time somebody wonders, why the silly Americans resent their government so much, recall this conversation...

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    3. Re: All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have more than three days of food or water in your house (read as shop less than twice per week) then the FBI considers you a "prepper" and a terrorist threat. If you live in the U.S.... you are on a watch list.

    4. Re:All of us by wyHunter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're engaging in the same generalizations that you decry in others. Lovely, eh?

    5. Re:All of us by mi · · Score: 1

      you decry in others

      Citations?

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    6. Re: All of us by JesseDegenerate · · Score: 1

      Then I guess all of us who live in cities who barely ever shop are on that list, please.

    7. Re: All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.

    8. Re: All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the watch list is just for the people who don't get any rights. Oh yeah...

    9. Re:All of us by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Munitions Systems Specialist (IYAAYAS!) An ammo troop, huh? I used to wait for you guys all the time. I might have even been waiting on you personally. You know who I am...:)...that crew waiting on your delivery.
      But yes...you and I are probably on some 3rd level 'list', by virtue of having knowledge of how and where.

      BTW...happy belated Veterans Day.

    10. Re: All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just leaned in the jet aft of the flare dispenser, but that was enough for the mass spec to notice. If you PPP hot for explosives once, you are on the list. That's actually not at all unreasonable.

    11. Re:All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're engaging in the same generalizations that you decry in others. Lovely, eh?

      Citations?

      the few I have were uniformly egotistical, paranoid, irrational, and rather low on the intellect scales

      Exactly the types, in other words, attracted by the tedious stability of working for the government (except the military).

      Maybe it's different in the US, but where I live there are people who work for the government because they believe in public service.

    12. Re: All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So all the Mormons

    13. Re:All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We stopped watching you a while back. Apparently adopting a nudist lifestyle is one way to get off the watch list.

    14. Re:All of us by dave420 · · Score: 0

      You really think they care about you? You are nothing to them. You are a forgotten, dusty file on some server in a closet. No one cares what you write online. There is no "alert script" watching what you say, as you are just too unimportant.

      You seem to be ticking the "egotistical" (as you think you matter to them), "paranoid" (as you think they are out to get you), and "irrational" (as you have no evidence of either of the previous two) boxes yourself... Maybe you worked for the wrong arm of government? :)

    15. Re:All of us by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You're engaging in the same generalizations that you decry in others. Lovely, eh?

      Citations?

      the few I have were uniformly egotistical, paranoid, irrational, and rather low on the intellect scales

      Exactly the types, in other words, attracted by the tedious stability of working for the government (except the military).

      Maybe it's different in the US, but where I live there are people who work for the government because they believe in public service.

      In the US, working for The Government means you are a dangerous left winger who probably won't ever become a billionaire.

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    16. Re: All of us by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you have more than three days of food or water in your house (read as shop less than twice per week) then the FBI considers you a "prepper" and a terrorist threat. If you live in the U.S.... you are on a watch list.

      FFS anyone with a fridge or store cupboard has more than three days of food in their house.

      Except when I was a student I don't think I've ever lived so hand to mouth that I literally had no spare food, even if it was just a couple of cans of baked beans.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    17. Re:All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Public Service" is a form of socialism and cannot be tolerated in our free society.

    18. Re:All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *** SMACK*** is the sound of dave420 going down eating his words getting bitchslapped by apk http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    19. Re:All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, make it harder for them to do their work. Perhaps they'll be so busy working out your shit that they'll let a real terrorist through who just happens to take you out, Perhaps you're happy with the French terrorist attack tonight.. Dickhead.

    20. Re:All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they didn't care then why are they spying on everyone?

    21. Re:All of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A life where you are constantly monitored is no life at all.

  3. Do you _really_ need to be list to be watched? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are on a list, then there is a trail of it. If not, it virtually never happened. What do you think is easier to defend in court?

    1. Re:Do you _really_ need to be list to be watched? by McNally · · Score: 2

      If you are on a list, then there is a trail of it.

      Yes, but not one that you can access or prove that you're on. When I got put on a list that required additional ID checks every time I checked in for a flight there was no way to verify officially that I was on the list or determine what list I was on or challenge my inclusion on the list.

      Even the aide from my U.S. Senator's staff (I live in a small state and our elected officials usually try to be helpful with constituents' complaints) who was assigned to help me with the matter could not get verification that I was on a list.

      Eventually I got taken off of it (I think -- at any rate I no longer get consistently stopped before check-in and required to undergo additional checks) but there was never any explanation how or what or why.

  4. First Rule About Watchlists by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't ask if you're on the watch list. If you weren't before, you are now.

    Alternatively: Realize that everyone is on a watch list and nothing will happen to you unless you stir up some shit. If you're a journalist investigating this shit your life will be hard. If you're a nerd who likes to Google a lot of shit and post about how you hate the government they'll just laugh at you.

    1. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't ask if you're on the watch list. If you weren't before, you are now.

      Alternatively: Realize that everyone is on a watch list and nothing will happen to you unless you stir up some shit. If you're a journalist investigating this shit your life will be hard. If you're a nerd who likes to Google a lot of shit and post about how you hate the government they'll just laugh at you.

      The US is not a free country. As much as I think it is good to try and restore our freedoms, I think people need to stop and think before asking too many questions. Most of us have families and careers or want to have... this isn't the 1960s when you could protest the government and assume that the FBI record keeping was so bad that in a few years nobody gave a shit. Once you get on a watch list for being uppity in the 20 teens you are fucked for life. So unless you want to make a career of being against the man and holding up a cardboard sign as the world actually is ending around you, then you should work towards policy changes with polite suggestions made through your elected representatives or actually staying below the radar and becoming part of government and not annoying public officials who may abuse their power over you just because they can.

    2. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by MobSwatter · · Score: 1, Troll

      Yes exactly. On the other side of the coin you can always make a phone call and mention president, jihad, airplane and bomb in a single conversation and that will sum things up a bit. The automated speech to text engine will flag your call for recorded audio review and bam! Your on a watch list! Never lonely because uncle Sam will always be there to tuck you in at night watching you through your webcam and consistently pulling screen shots from your phone and your PC. That part kind of sucks if you don't have enough bandwidth though, but it is certainly worth while to see you are home in Nazi Germany run by the banksters and the Catholic church. Same batch of assholes that installed an individual with a rather well defined mustache and brought about WWII. Have no fear about the cold winters, WWIII with todays nuclear war technology it should be nice and toasty, no worries there if that should fail because substandard lowest bidder style construction of nuclear power plants a melt down is right around the corner near you! Never worry about the watchers being watched by a batch of closet case superstitious thieving nazi pedophiles that are wiping their ass with the constitution and rubbing the declaration of independence in your face after they robbed their own bank of your gold which they suckered you into with the federal reserve in 1944.

    3. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      I saw this flick about some jihadists buying a nuclear bomb to blow it up and cause problems for the Americans and their president, but Arnold flies a plane and shoots the main bad jihad guy with a rocket.

    4. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Polite suggestions made through politicians, is the way to enact change in our society.

      I can't think of anything more UN-American. (cept maybe driving on the left side of the road....)

    5. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by MobSwatter · · Score: 1

      I saw this flick about some jihadists buying a nuclear bomb to blow it up and cause problems for the Americans and their president, but Arnold flies a plane and shoots the main bad jihad guy with a rocket.

      Too bad Arnold wasn't around in 1963, we wouldn't be having these assholes selling the NWO BS based on the poverty and famine they are responsible for.

    6. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      What's "American" and "un-American" has changed a lot over the years.

    7. Re: First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tape over my webcam and cut wires to the mic take care of part of that... though it doesn't really matter as all they need to do is drive-by with a backscatter van and some of the vibration to audio converting mics.

      Rest assured, since you asked... you are now on a list. Welcome to the club.

      I really wonder what good those lists do when 3/4 of the population is on them. Oh, wait... they don't do any good (911, Boston bomber, etc) because they are too worried about grabbing more power to utilize the lists and powers they currently have.

    8. Re: First Rule About Watchlists by MobSwatter · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're funny.

      You know what you get if you take a Nazi and cut off their balls?

      An Occupy protestor.

      You really have to take into consideration Hitler was played like a stratvarius just like our current political theater running around playing world cop digging a deeper deficit which indicates a very skilled organization potentially doing this for thousands of years which indicates first world government. Hitler was born of a devout Catholic Austrian woman and sponsored by Mussolini. Note the fall of the Nights Templar and rise of Mafia around the same time frame. Two distinct parts of history aligned both the banksters and them against the US. Declaration of Independence, formation of Illuminati and being instrumental in taking down Hitler. Proof is in the pudding.

    9. Re: First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An Occupy protestor

      No, I'm pretty sure those are the tea party protesters that stand around and do nothing but complain at rallies and talk big on the internet, none of them have the balls to actually stand up to the government. Occupy protesters have their brains cut out which explains why when they do take action, they end up shitting everywhere.

    10. Re: First Rule About Watchlists by MobSwatter · · Score: 1

      Yes, direct 9/11 intel didn't do shit either.

      Me on a watch list? Fine, then they can watch and learn a few OSS/CIA tricks used against some pricks that started screwing with my family around the turn of last century and screwed up a program back in '64.

    11. Re: First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats why I saw some many people of color and Jewish ancestry at those protests huh?

      No Nazis were racists, the ball less ones call themselves tea partiers now.

    12. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      We (Americans) have "politely" asked our various congress critters to do a lot of things over the years, only to be ignored once they are elected. Oh they have a lot of symbolic (meaningless) votes on stuff that doesn't get passed, or do the whole "I voted for it before I voted against it" two step.

      My suggestion is stop voting for the same two animals running the farmhouse.

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    13. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The US is not a free country. As much as I think it is good to try and restore our freedoms...

      It was never a free country, not for everyone. The reason we're hearing all about "losing our freedoms" is that now it's finally happening to white people who have money.

      When it was just the blacks, or the Indians or the Jews or the Japanese, or whomever, then it was "What a free country we are! And freedom isn't free, y'all."

      But now that Biff Biffington has concerns about back doors in his crypto, it's "HOLY SHIT THIS AIN'T RIGHT!" Well, welcome to the party.

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    14. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      That's basically the same everywhere, but some places are worse than others. The US is good at making sure there's a legal framework for a lot of this crap. It does nominally restrict what they can get away with. If you stick to the letter of the law, and they fail to, you will eventually win (after much suffering). Many other places are notoriously bad about it, willfully breaking their own laws and often just erasing you.

    15. Re: First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh, come on, watch lists are so 2009. sure, those good old lists still exist, but nowadays you just get flagged when you exhibit the pattern of the week or when the pseudo-random generator hits your name - if you live in or travel through cities or use any other modern commodity, you can and will be watched, no matter how many webcams you tape down. but there are only so much overweight guys wanking in front of their pc, the average government worker can cope with, before he breaks... you really do them a favor by sparing them from that.

      still, wearing a tinfoil hat, dropping "suspicious" keywords (like terrorist, bomb, webcam, tape, illuminati,...) will help, as you'll pretty soon get labeled as a harmless idiot, who will only be molested if he makes a fuzz and there are no better things to do at the time.

    16. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the Democrats really wanted to do what they say they want to do, they would do what the Republicans say they would do, but don't.

    17. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      nothing will happen to you unless you stir up some shit

      If you are being denied access to transportation, something already happened to you.

    18. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need medication to help with your paranoia. Seriously. There is no lack of journalists spouting or writing something bad about the US government on a daily basis. Are they being rounded up and disappeared or thrown into prison? Are news outlets, electronic or hardcopy, being forced to shut down because of what they publish? And yes there are a couple of cases where a journalist was thrown in jail for skirting too close to illegality for refusing to name their source of the classified information. In each of these cases it was the Judicial branch of government interpreting the cases. You would have to believe that every Federal judge or prosecutor is dishonest to argue bias of their rulings. There is a law specifically targeting the release of classified data whether people like it or not. And what freedoms have you been denied? I will grant you that the requirement to remove your shoes before getting on a plane is a gross injustice and should be handled in an amendment to the Bill of Rights or maybe a Constitutional amendment can be pushed through. Have you been stopped from protesting in public or participating in online discussions? I will grant that some public demonstrations have been forcibly stopped or contained but that is usually after the store fronts are vandalized and the cars are set on fire. Have you been denied a job because you are on some type of "watch list"? Of course any uppity young people convicted of murder or some other major crime might encounter some problems after their life sentence gets commuted and they are released. The government is more vulnerable then the general public when it comes to fending off cyber attacks and data theft on a daily basis. Whether it is a foreign country or just someone interested in compiling incriminating data on the government for political purposes. And one more thing. Way before the internet was created the government already had a shitload of your personal data. Tax returns, property deeds, federally secured mortgage applications, drivers licenses, passports, marriage licenses, and public education records are just some sources of personal information the government has had on most of it's citizens. If the government is suppose to be collecting and analyzing everyone's online activity why is there no actual proof of this activity. There have several mass shootings over the past couple of years where the perpetrator posted their "manifestos" and reasons for committing the act and the government discovered this after the fact.

    19. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by dbIII · · Score: 2

      then you should work towards policy changes with polite suggestions

      Unfortunately that's how it works - "these pictures of Benjamin in green politely suggest you push for a change in policy".

    20. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Nehmo · · Score: 0

      The US... "losing our freedoms" is that now it's finally happening to white people who have money...

      The concept that a person of some given behavior is more likely to be locked up if he/she is of some ethnic origin other than white European, say, a black person, in America is incorrect. The reason blacks were more frequently arrested for crack, for example, is that the black population is more likely to use the drug. Indeed, preferential treatment is often the other way around because whites are expected to hew to a higher standard of behavior. For example, a black group in a black neighborhood can lounge on a porch and, unless there is a shooting or something there, can sell crack (using the same example as above [1]) for years without the police intruding. In a white neighborhood, an open operation like that wouldn't last a month.

      [1] Domestic violence; Oral threats of violence; Public intoxication; Probation/parole rules like having clean urine, getting employment, paying dues; Noise violations: mostly petty socially-connected crimes are the ones non-whites get a pass on. But some state preferential treatment legal actions are serious. The state holds whites to a much higher standard in the civil law action of taking kids from parents.

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    21. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. The government has control over the editors of the major news media outlets. If it is in the news it is because some faction of the government wants it to be.

    22. Re: First Rule About Watchlists by MobSwatter · · Score: 1

      oh, come on, watch lists are so 2009. sure, those good old lists still exist, but nowadays you just get flagged when you exhibit the pattern of the week or when the pseudo-random generator hits your name - if you live in or travel through cities or use any other modern commodity, you can and will be watched, no matter how many webcams you tape down. but there are only so much overweight guys wanking in front of their pc, the average government worker can cope with, before he breaks... you really do them a favor by sparing them from that.

      still, wearing a tinfoil hat, dropping "suspicious" keywords (like terrorist, bomb, webcam, tape, illuminati,...) will help, as you'll pretty soon get labeled as a harmless idiot, who will only be molested if he makes a fuzz and there are no better things to do at the time.

      If AC is a watcher, then you need to use your access and do your homework.

    23. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      Oh wow. What bullshit.

      You have the direction wrong. Corporations control the government. That's why it seems like what you say is true. People that work for multinational corporations are up to their neck in corporate agendas. They take the philosophy of corporate life to heart even when they don't know it. The biggest problem we have in the US is that corporations control what we debate in the public square to a very large extent. They are the ones controlling the flow of information to the Joe Sixpack masses.

    24. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      The concept that a person of some given behavior is more likely to be locked up if he/she is of some ethnic origin other than white European, say, a black person, in America is incorrect.

      That's just incorrect. There is plenty of evidence, shown in study after study, that shows there is a disparity in sentencing between white people and various ethnic and racial groups.

      http://www.sentencingproject.o...

      http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB...

      http://www.theguardian.com/law...

      https://www.law.upenn.edu/live...

      https://www.aclu.org/sites/def...

      https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles...

      So maybe you want to start your reply again, armed with this new information?

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    25. Re: First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what you get if you take a Nazi and cut off their balls?

      The President of Ukraine?

      I say that on account of him being a Nazi who has no balls.

    26. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What was your address again?

    27. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by StillAnonymous · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about using the metric system?

    28. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by StillAnonymous · · Score: 1

      In communist Russia, the state controls the corporations, and the banks own the state.

      In capitalist America, the corporations control the state, and the banks own the corporations.

    29. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Nehmo · · Score: 1

      The concept that a person of some given behavior is more likely to be locked up if he/she is of some ethnic origin other than white European, say, a black person, in America is incorrect.

      That's just incorrect. There is plenty of evidence, shown in study after study, that shows there is a disparity in sentencing between white people and various ethnic and racial groups.
      http://www.sentencingproject.o...
      http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB... http://www.theguardian.com/law...
      https://www.law.upenn.edu/live...
      https://www.aclu.org/sites/def...
      https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles...
      So maybe you want to start your reply again, armed with this new information?

      Your position seems to be that unjust sentencing disparity caused by the race of the defendant is prevalent, that your numerous links contain statements that support that conclusion, and thus my position regarding preferential treatment is wrong. If, by posting all of those links, you mean to advance some idea beyond unjust racial sentencing disparity, you didn't say so.

      But sentencing is only one element or the criminal process. Who is chosen to arrest is important as well, and that's what I just pointed out. The focus of law enforcement is the first element in the criminal justice process. I gave the example of leniency given to a peaceful crowd sitting on a porch selling crack. Sentencing, however unjust, has nothing to do with that.

      It would be unrealistically unwieldy for me to rebutt all the contents of all those links. It wouldn't even make sense to read them. However, the studies I'm familiar with that express your conclusion (racial sentencing disparity in general) are flawed. Please pick one, or one concept from one, that you like, and I will address it.

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    30. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...this isn't the 1960s when you could protest the government and assume that the FBI record keeping was so bad that in a few years nobody gave a shit.

      Hah, try telling that to one of the guys I used to work with several jobs back...his membership of the SDS seemed to follow him everywhere.

      Once you get on a watch list for being uppity in the 20 teens you are fucked for life.

      Try being on a 'watch list' since the moment you're born for shits and giggles sometime...(the state perceived sins of the father, and all that nonsense)

    31. Re: First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh ? Have you forgotten about racism ?

    32. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      It would be unrealistically unwieldy for me to rebutt all the contents of all those links. It wouldn't even make sense to read them

      How could you rebut them if you don't read them?

      Five different studies show a disparity in sentencing for the same crime. And "sentencing" is the part of the process that involves whether or not you get locked up and for how long. And the discussion started when you said this:

      The concept that a person of some given behavior is more likely to be locked up if he/she is of some ethnic origin other than white European, say, a black person, in America is incorrect.

      I show studies that indicate you're wrong, and you're response is, "It wouldn't even make sense to read them".

      I think you've made things clear.

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    33. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by bwcbwc · · Score: 1

      Loss of freedom due to race/religion/national origin isn't limited to being locked up, so this is a strawman argument. Some examples of other things that cause loss of freedom:
      pulled over for "driving while black"
      housing discrimination
      lynch mobs
      online intimidation.

      If you're afraid to do something that society as a whole takes for granted because of legitimate threats and intimidation, that's a loss of freedom.

      Often, it's very difficult to judge how serious a threat actually is. Many of the "warning signs" that get brought up after there's a mass shooting are the same kinds of threats that people brush off as "don't worry about it, they aren't serious" when people complain about online intimidation.

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    34. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I buy 2 Liter Coke bottles, does that count as metric?

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    35. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Nehmo · · Score: 1

      I show studies that indicate you're wrong, and you're response is, "It wouldn't even make sense to read them".

      I think you've made things clear.

      It of course doesn't make sense for me to read all of them and answer all of them; that would take days. Which part of which study are you saying is critical? And it's obvious you are insincere here because you now have revealed you have not read them. You might as well have posted a link to a search result page.

      But to address the issue of sentencing, it is certainly an important element or the criminal justice process (cjp), but it also certainly is not the only one, nor, considering it isn't even a necessary element of cjp, should it be regarded as the most important one.

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    36. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I loved that movie. Like they could cover up a nuclear weapon going off in the Florida Keys...

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    37. Re: First Rule About Watchlists by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      It seems Putin is taking more pages from Hitler's playbook than anyone in the Ukraine.

      Claiming a section of another country contains some of your people, and that they are being oppressed, as a reason to cede property of another country is right out of the Nazi playbook.

      The people of a country deposing their leader when he goes against their wishes (to join the EU), then electing a new leader that more closely fits their desires is not Fascism it is proper functioning Democracy. I know this is a foreign concept to those from Russia, but electing people to run your country that do what is best for the country is Democracy, not Fascism.

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    38. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, watchlists don't matter, because they affect white "people". BLACK LIVES MATTER!

    39. Re: First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Hitler ... first world government ... Nights Templar ... Mafia ... banksters ... Declaration of Independence ... Illuminati ... Proof is in the pudding.

      Wow!
      Just... wow!

    40. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Yup. There was a time when lots of people thought that left-wingers were unpatriotic and suspicious.

      FWIW, I knew, on the Internet, a communist. After a while, I realized he was patriotic. He and I had very different ideas on what would be good for the country, but we both wanted what we thought was it.

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    41. Re: First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All microphones are "vibration to audio" and in fact that phrase in itself is redundant.

    42. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like your thinking...... I thought the same :-) "Don't ask if you're on the watch list. If you weren't before, you are now."

    43. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by Nehmo · · Score: 1

      Being locked up is the most definite form of state deprival of freedom. But I never limited my thoughts to that. Indeed, I even included examples of people being on parole/probation, which is somewhat less than being locked up. Your examples of psycological freedom infringement don't rank even close to real physical confinement. And I don't know what you are talking about with "lynch mobs." Where? What lynch mobs? Nobody hangs black guys anymore.

      Now, to partially address your vague examples, I'll respond to the first one, driving while black. The implication is that police are more likely to pull over someone who is black, everything else being equal.

      I don't know about where you live, but the situation is just the opposite here in north 66101, a black-becoming-Mexican-neighborhood. Black people are normal driving around here, and they typically freely drive around without harassment. A white person, particularly a young one, and definitely a young one late at night, is often suspected of drug buying just by being here. The police will, for no reason, or for a trumped-up reason, pull over a white person simply for his/her presence. This behavior doesn't speak well for the police department, but it belies your assertion that people driving-while-black are persecuted. I, personally, seldom get pulled over, but the last time was about a year ago 3 blocks from my house and was for turn-signaling too late. Once the officer decided I wasn't up to anything (my ID showed my address), he didn't cite me. Sure, that was anecdotal, and it doesn't really prove anything, but it generally represents what goes on. My black acquaintances all agree it's risky from a being-stopped POV for a white person to drive in this neighborhood. BTW, I have a self-imposed curfew of 10pm just to avoid the police - even though I'm technically legal.

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    44. Re:First Rule About Watchlists by r-diddly · · Score: 1

      ...they'll just laugh at you.
      For now.

  5. Assuming you already are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The beginning of security is to assume that you are already compromised.

    Assume you already are on a watchlist, and then we can discuss about the rest.

  6. Post as Anonymous Coward to Get on Watchlist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is how one joins all those highly acclaimed and fashionable watchlists!

  7. Attend a 2600 meeting or go to HOPE? by tekrat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Back in the late 1980's going to the 2600 meetings in NYC got you automatically photographed by the FBI. These days, attend a conference such as HOPE or DefCon, and I guarantee you're on a watchlist.

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    1. Re:Attend a 2600 meeting or go to HOPE? by msimm · · Score: 2

      That would be weird. Security professionals get CE/CEU/CPE(s) for attending such conferences. Maintaining baseline DoD Directive 8570.01 require such certifications. Good security requires up-to-date training and conferences such as these provide a wealth of information.

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    2. Re:Attend a 2600 meeting or go to HOPE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guarantee I am on a watch-list because the military trained me in using explosives. Just because you served your country, even honorably, does not mean you don't deserve to be singled out for special treatment.

      One of their big things on these watchlists are looking for vets. http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/16/napolitano.apology/

      The second paragraph isn't really necessary but it is a rebuttal for singling out vets.

      Yet it was the section on veterans that caused controversy among conservative politicians and some veterans. It said "the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone-wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks." It cited Timothy McVeigh, who returned from military service and went on to bomb the federal building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, in 1995.

      "Timothy McVeigh was only one of more than 42 million veterans who have worn this nation's uniform during wartime," wrote Rehbein, the American Legion commander. "To continue to use McVeigh as an example of the stereotypical 'disgruntled military veteran' is as unfair as using Osama bin Laden as the sole example of Islam."

    3. Re:Attend a 2600 meeting or go to HOPE? by sims+2 · · Score: 2

      Ill just leave this here.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    4. Re:Attend a 2600 meeting or go to HOPE? by msimm · · Score: 1

      I'll agree with that. It may be a small percentage of returning veterans that could pose a treat, but because of the additional training and knowledge of military procedure a dissatisfied vet could pose a greater threat. However I'd assume the ones concerned about DoD Directive 8570.01 generally have a greater interest in protecting national security then the average civilian (not to say civilians have no interest; just that professionally as well as personally they should have a vested interest).

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    5. Re:Attend a 2600 meeting or go to HOPE? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      I'll see your relatively peaceful protests and raise you with armed revolt

      http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/at...

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    6. Re:Attend a 2600 meeting or go to HOPE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How DARE you have HOPE!

      We don't do HOPE here in America.

    7. Re:Attend a 2600 meeting or go to HOPE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was at a security conference in USA. Second day my phone (a Symbian with a hacked firmware) starts rebooting in loop. Guess I was not so important to get a personalized hack and the default one did not work on the modified firmware :)
      Also, without joke, we were announced by the organizers that the reason there is 30% less attendance at the conference is the delay in approving the federal budget - not all agencies had the money to participate.

    8. Re:Attend a 2600 meeting or go to HOPE? by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      I've been hearing that legend for decades. Is there any actual evidence of this other than paranoia?

    9. Re:Attend a 2600 meeting or go to HOPE? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the Change, we can't have any change around here either.

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  8. I've been watching.... by dohzer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've had you on my watchlist for the last few months because your apartment is across the road from mine and you don't close your bedroom curtains at night. In case it matters, you're in the 10:25-10:35 time slot.

  9. Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by msimm · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Cooking devices and Linux torrents a domestic terrorist do not make. You must be a little on the (possibly overly) cautious side to use Tor (private) for torrents (public) in the first place. FOIA requests would probably work. But a cup of chamomile tea might do you more good in the long run.

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    1. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe that tea would be better used on you, since you obviously need to calm down enough to recognize a joke when it's not only obvious but plainly labeled as a joke for your convenience.

    2. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In fairness, there is no standard of evidence to be put on these lists. Damned near anybody in law enforcement can put someone on a list, just because they feel like it or have a hunch, or because they don't like you.

      And then you're on a list managed by idiots who have no real idea why you're on the list. Then the idiocy becomes self-fulfilling, because if you're on the list, it must be for a reason.

      If you are on a list, there is a very good chance the people who maintain that list have no idea why. Which means without evidence, documentation, or recourse your life can get somewhat screwed up, and the idiots who maintain the list don't know or care how you got there; which means there's not a damned thing you can do to fix it.

      Really, as long as it's so trivial to put people on the list, there's probably tons of people who are there for no reason at all.

      This whole bullshit notion of you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide is just that ... bullshit. If using Tor is enough to get you on a watchlist, the people who run those lists are idiots, and ignoring things like evidence and probable cause.

      Fascists just love things like that.

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    3. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As much as I'd like to do torrents over tor, currently it is not possible due to fact that all major trackers only support udp. tor does not support udp.
      OP was not suggesting he is doing torrent over tor.

    4. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by LWATCDR · · Score: 0

      I find this as some strange intersection of narcissism and paranoia.
      No you are not a big enough threat to waste resources on so calm down and drink some camomile tea.

      Tor is so interesting. It can be used for really good things but is often used for really illegal and or immoral uses.

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    5. Re: Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the flip side if tor were not used for so many bad or trivial things, the good uses would stick out like a sore thumb.

    6. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by CaptainDork · · Score: 0

      Fuck you. I just reported you to the List.

      You are #103 under "batshit crazy."

      I'm number 104.

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    7. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Resources are getting cheaper and easier, which means we can have more people on the list than ever before. I mean if K-Mart can send a direct advertisement to a girl who they think might be pregnant because of buying patterns they noticed, then all that big data the government collects can be used to spot "dangerous" trends.

      I told the government "Fuck off" on a census form because I didn't want to tell them all the details of my life. They threatened me with jail and a fine, and I said "Great, I plead the fifth amendment against self incrimination". The representative stood there at my door not knowing what to do. I still haven't been fined or jailed, so I am probably on a watch list.

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    8. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How do you KNOW that? How do you KNOW what the criteria are? So you find it paranoid and narcissistic. You would have said that about the government memorializing everything you do pre-Snowden also, I'll wager .

      For the record, Keith Alexander explicitly stated that anyone using encryption has the full encrypted exhange- not just metadata- memorialized forever.

      Is it much further to imagine the encryptor is also on a list, forever?

    9. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      What the hell does the census have to do with the Fifth Amendment? The Fifth Amendment regards self incrimination *for a crime*. The census is part of the Constitution.

    10. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by Nehmo · · Score: 1

      Target not K-Mart.
      "...some useful patterns emerged. Lotions, for example. Lots of people buy lotion, but one of Pole’s colleagues noticed that women on the baby registry were buying larger quantities of unscented lotion around the beginning of their second trimester. Another analyst noted that sometime in the first 20 weeks, pregnant women loaded up on supplements like calcium, magnesium and zinc. Many shoppers purchase soap and cotton balls, but when someone suddenly starts buying lots of scent-free soap and extra-big bags of cotton balls, in addition to hand sanitizers and washcloths, it signals they could be getting close to their delivery date."

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    11. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In fairness, there is no standard of evidence to be put on these lists. Damned near anybody in law enforcement can put someone on a list, just because they feel like it or have a hunch, or because they don't like you."

      And THAT is the problem.

    12. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The part of the census that is in the Constitution is the counting of people, more often reasonably expanded to mean the counting of people living at a particular address. The government has the legitimate power to penalize you if you don't answer that question. The whole rest of the intrusive questions on the long form census are none of their business and they have no power to compel you to answer them. They'll threaten and posture, but they can't make you answer.

      Why does the government need to know how many toilets I have in my house?

    13. Re: Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      The trivial things I am find with. The bad not so much. I can not think of any good solution to the problem of getting rid of the bad uses while keeping the good ones.

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    14. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Resources are getting cheaper and easier, which means we can have more people on the list than ever before."
      A huge list is not a good thing. You get way too much noise that way. That 22 year old upper middle class college student in Minnesota that uses Tor, posts on Slashdot, and looked up pressure cookers is not a threat and they do not want to deal with his noise.
      He is of no more interest than I am. A white 50 year old computer programer that looks up how to make rocket candy and is a huge fan of aviation. We could be noise in the system but will be tossed quickly because we not going to be a threat to anyone.

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    15. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You sound reasonable, but I have nothing that shows you are true. I don't know who has watchlists, who's on watchlists, or what the criteria are. I do have a gut feeling that some of the people who maintain them are paranoid and not really smart, so I don't trust them to have people on them for good reasons.

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    16. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "I do have a gut feeling that some of the people who maintain them are paranoid and not really smart, so I don't trust them to have people on them for good reasons."
      A paranoid not really smart person does not get to be the keeper of any watch list "at the federal level" in the US. Those tend to be weeded out since they also generate too much noise.

      "You sound reasonable, but I have nothing that shows you are true."
      You also have nothing that shows I am incorrect except that it sounds reasonable and frankly logical. The simple fact that most of the people that post on slashdot that they fear that they are on a watch list never get arrested or even harassed.

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    17. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      You need to look at the Long Form Census documents. It is ridiculous in nature, and some of the questions are simply an invasion of privacy.

      Here is a copy for your viewing pleasure. I realize that plenty of people love and trust the government, and wouldn't have a problem with the form, but I do.

      https://www.census.gov/dmd/www...

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    18. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      You still didn't answer the question. The census and the Fifth Amendment have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

      How in the !@$ could the census even be INVOLVED in confessing to a crime?

    19. Re:Go easy on the Adderall prescription... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Why does the government need to know how many toilets I have in my house?

      So that they can trickle down (heh) federal funding to state/local utilities to improve/maintain plumbing?

      To see how "modern" each area of the country is? (Even ignoring Amish and the like, aren't there likely SOME areas without indoor plumbing?)

  10. If you have to ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I would assume that attempting to find out if you are on a watch list is just the kind of thing that would land you on a watch list.

    "Hmm, this guy is worried we are watching him, I wonder why, let's keep an eye on him, shall we?"

    1. Re:If you have to ask by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I would assume that attempting to find out if you are on a watch list is just the kind of thing that would land you on a watch list.

      "Hmm, this guy is worried we are watching him, I wonder why, let's keep an eye on him, shall we?"

      There's an old joke/urban myth about someone ringing up the FBI and asking if they have an FBI file, to which the FBI guy says "you do now".

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  11. YES. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We know who you are and are watching you. PS. Stop touching yourself.

  12. Sorry, but we cannot tell you that by Timmy+D+Programmer · · Score: 1

    BTW, having a wireless password of password is just asking for it.

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    1. Re:Sorry, but we cannot tell you that by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      BTW, having a wireless password of password is just asking for it.

      Hello? When it says 'enter password' it won't work if you've changed it from "password" will it? You'd have to re-program it to say 'enter pX?#@V32L9=)4!*7!$%!Ka&%M3zPk82' or whatever clever and unbreakable new word you decide on.

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  13. Cross an international border (Can/US) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're immediately sent to secondary inspection, you're on a list.

    That simple.

  14. Look up by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

    See any drones circling above you?

    If Yes = You're on a Watchlist and should probably start running
    If No = You're on a Watchlist and have nothing to worry about

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    1. Re:Look up by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Do helicopters count as drones?

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    2. Re:Look up by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Only if black.

    3. Re:Look up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      All helicopters matter!

    4. Re:Look up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more like a cessna it was doing a rather large circle hard to tell if i was the POI

  15. id really like to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    add a hundred agents on the line 2 hours prior to the flight when entering the airport, and you got agents harrassing you left and right from the moment you step out of your place of residence, don't even get me started if you live in an apartment, what was that "no fly list" that you can't even know if youre on, gov/ia incentive to businesses/individuals by way of monetary compensation and lower tax(no wonder they complain about irs thing like theres no tomorrow), other than that, do something profitable in business/army/nasa, and im sure youl be able to grab the attention of other foreign gov/ia because your a "terrorist"(sarcasm at the end)

  16. Easy as pie by redwraith94 · · Score: 2

    I spoke with a friend on the phone not too long ago, and we may have mentioned a bunch of ECHELON keywords. I don't TOTALly RECALL...;)

    My phone did auto-restart though (which it has never done in the 2 years I've had it, no updates either...) after that I only got 3g, and crappy reception in my apartment.

    I was like for someone in IT, couldn't you afford a 4G stingray?

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    1. Re:Easy as pie by RuffMasterD · · Score: 1

      A few years ago I spoke over the phone to someone in a former communist country and may have mentioned 'America'. Suddenly we heard what must have been old soviet era analog recording equipment engage and the line became noticeably noisier from then on. Nice subtle touch, guys. Probably worked OK back when telephone was entirely analog and noise was the norm, but lines are mostly digital now. If your country's broke, don't fix it :-)

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  17. Are you alive? You are on a watchlist. by ShaunC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do you use the internet? You are on a watchlist. The more interesting question would be which ones, and of course most of us have no way to know.

    I spend a lot of time reading and commenting on current events on another site, and I like to back up my comments with citations, so this leads me to Google all sorts of things. Offhand today I've searched for feces swastika (re: the U of Missouri stuff) and officers shot or killed (a story about one officer shooting another off-duty officer). Last night I was reading a thread about the Mazda RDX and so I Googled RDX; RDX is also the name of a military explosive. Around that time I was also searching for various terms related to the Missouri protests.

    Some overzealous algorithm might see a person searching for RDX and Mizzou and officer and shooting all within close proximity, and get me on a list I really would rather not be on. That's one of the big problems with automated bulk surveillance, I imagine it's connecting a lot of dots that truly aren't connected.

    See you on the list!

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    1. Re:Are you alive? You are on a watchlist. by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      >> Do you use the internet? You are on a watchlist.

      That would be cool, because if literally everyone is on it the list would be totally useless. It is actually in the black chopper guys best interest to keep their watch lists as short as possible too. Whether they also think that is of course a whole other question.

    2. Re:Are you alive? You are on a watchlist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that the lists are getting longer and we are hiring more and more people to watch those lists. Soon everyone will be watching everyone and robots will do the work /s. But really, the lists are getting longer because it is now easier to realize that just about everyone hates politicians - the thing the lists are there to protect.

    3. Re:Are you alive? You are on a watchlist. by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      because if literally everyone is on it the list would be totally useless.

      Only if it's an unordered list. You could have a list of (nearly) every person in the USA, but if it's ordered by some sort of threat metric as long as you're not in the first couple million or so entries you shouldn't have a problem.

      That being said, that's actually the problem that the NSA has been having. Sure, they grab huge amounts of data, but only the tiniest fraction receives more than cursory automatic analysis, and only a tiny fraction of that is actually looked at by a human.

      In short, they spend so much effort collecting 'all' the emails or whatever that they're otherwise so restrainged that you have a better chance of winning a lottery jackpot than any given email collected by the NSA will be read.

      --
      I don't read AC A human right
    4. Re:Are you alive? You are on a watchlist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great attempt to cover your tracks, but you won't be ignored just because you choose to couch your terrorist exploits in dual-use terminology.

    5. Re:Are you alive? You are on a watchlist. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I spend a lot of time reading and commenting on current events on another site, and I like to back up my comments with citations

      We don't like your sort around here.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    6. Re:Are you alive? You are on a watchlist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh... it's like we still assume after all this time that they have all this bulk data collection but only first-grader intellect when it comes to analyzing it?

      I mean sure, the people in the field do.

    7. Re:Are you alive? You are on a watchlist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      faceook doesnt like a lot of citations. You can post unfounded nonsense with abandon though.

  18. Easy by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    They'll tell you when they come for you.

  19. In My Case ... by DakotaSmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In my particular case, I first learned I was on a terrorist watch list in 2004, when I renewed my drivers' license.

    The lady at DMV informed me of it, and said there would be an additional three-week wait for my license while they did a background check on me.

    Ever since, every time I've flown, I've been pulled aside for additional searches and questioning,

    The fun part is that there's no way to get off the list. I've now have three Congressman and a Senator from two different States tell me this.

    The really infuriating part is that I suffer from an anxiety disorder. The only danger to those around me is if I go off my meds and then fly to pieces so fast people get hit by the shrapnel.

    --
    Microsoft leads to Bluescreen; Bluescreen leads to downtime; downtime leads to suffering.
    1. Re:In My Case ... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> The only danger to those around me is if I go off my meds

      Maybe thats why you're on a watchlist :-)

    2. Re:In My Case ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would call that a big affirmative. There's rarely an overly reactionary reason for them to put you on The List. It does happen, but by his alias I'd say he's in the legit category as the false positives are usually internationally born, or of non-European descent.

    3. Re:In My Case ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you sign up for the Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP) ? I never understand why people who are complain about being pulled aside all the time never mention anything about TRIP. It's on every airline website when I'm booking my flight. There are signs at the airport. If you're not 'the guy', which is the most likely case since you're still flying and freely posting on /., just sign up for the program, put your number in your airline booking system, and fly normally again.

    4. Re:In My Case ... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      In my particular case, I first learned I was on a terrorist watch list in 2004, when I renewed my drivers' license.

      In my case, I am quite certain that I am not (or was not last year). I flew with my wife and daughter to Seattle (domestic). Both on the way there and the way back, my wife and I were "randomly" selected for the pre-check line (less intrusive scanning). Bizarrely, my daughter, who was travelling with us on the same booking, was not selected for pre-check for either flight.

      We did see the airline employees (and police) politely telling someone that, no, they could not take their loaded speargun on the flight with them as hand baggage.

      --
      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
    5. Re:In My Case ... by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Yet a Senator who raised money for the IRA and met a lot of active members back when they were blowing people up in the UK is not on such a list. You are on it but a known associate who provided material support to known terrorists, and is proud of it, is on the committee responsible for the list!

    6. Re:In My Case ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Change your name to the name of a senator. Then they will be on a watch list too. Then change it again. Repeat.

    7. Re:In My Case ... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      They like to say there is no way to get off the list, but at least one person has managed. However, that was the "no-fly" list, it may be more difficult to convince a judge if you are still being allowed to fly, but are continually subject to additional intrusive searches, as the judge will likely see that as a mere inconvenience, rather than a denial of your rights.

    8. Re:In My Case ... by chaotixx · · Score: 1

      We did see the airline employees (and police) politely telling someone that, no, they could not take their loaded speargun on the flight with them as hand baggage.

      The terrorists have truly won.

    9. Re:In My Case ... by DakotaSmith · · Score: 1

      Y'all don't understand how anxiety disorders work:

      When we go off our meds, it doesn't turn us into murderous psychopaths. It makes us curl up into a ball and try not to scream for days at a time.

      When I said, "go to pieces so fast people would be killed by the shrapnel," I was quoting Ford Prefect. He was talking about Zaphod Beeblebrox in The Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy

      Jeez, you people need some geek cred.

      --
      Microsoft leads to Bluescreen; Bluescreen leads to downtime; downtime leads to suffering.
  20. Downloading through TOR by ArchieBunker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why were you downloading torrents through the TOR network? Its pointless and clogs exit nodes.

    --
    Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    1. Re:Downloading through TOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody is downloading torrents over tor (unless they are stupid). Let me explain.
      All major torrent trackers use udp protocol to exchange nodes. Tor does not support udp.
      If you want to be truly anonymous you would want to connect to trackers via tor too. Thus you need tcp trackers. Good luck with that. Yes, I have tried to do this in fact.

      If you connect to trackers directly but to peers via tor you are obviously stupid.

    2. Re:Downloading through TOR by Skewray · · Score: 1

      Why were you downloading torrents through the TOR network? Its pointless and clogs exit nodes.

      Now *that* is a good reason to put someone on a watch list!

    3. Re:Downloading through TOR by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Are you honesty suggesting people should only use Tor when they're doing something shady? Because that would be stupid.

      See, things like encryption, the goal is to use it all the time, and deny anybody the ability to differentiate when you're doing something you feel needs some extra security.

      It is legal to use Tor, as such, there is no reason why you wouldn't use it for everything just to send a big "fuck you" to the people who want to snoop on you. That the people who spy on you would prefer you didn't use it is too fucking bad.

      This is why we need more and more things which are doing encryption by default, because if you only use it for things you don't want to be caught doing you send a big giant beacon when you are doing things you don't want to get caught doing.

      If everyone was using this kind of stuff all the time, the people who want to track everything you do would be denied a LOT of information, for the simple fact that they'd have less information about how it's being used and when.

      It's not pointless, not even a little.

      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    4. Re:Downloading through TOR by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Like I said putting torrent traffic through TOR only clogs the exit nodes.

      --
      Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    5. Re:Downloading through TOR by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Why were you downloading torrents through the TOR network? Its pointless and clogs exit nodes.

      Now *that* is a good reason to put someone on a watch list!

      That's what I was thinking. What would be the motivation for hiding a Linux download?

      --
      XML is a known as a key material required to create SMD: Software of Mass Destruction
    6. Re:Downloading through TOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, they should be using I2P (which like tor is TCP only), or Phantom (which just works), ar at least stay off the tor exits and use only tor hidden services.

    7. Re:Downloading through TOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > putting torrent traffic through TOR only clogs the exit nodes"

      Well, it's obvious on its face that that is untrue - it does a number of things as well as clogging the exit nodes, which is precisely the point that gstoddart was making.

      Plus another point: it does you to download the requested artifact. So may I rephrase?

      "Not much like I said, the effects of putting torrent traffic through TOR include such diverse elements as downloading desired artifacts, clogging the exit nodes, swamping eavesdroppers, obscuring shady traffic with truckloads of legitimate traffic, and maintaining a uniform usage profile to avoid drawing attention to any one activity"

      Much better.

    8. Re: Downloading through TOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      obviously you haven't kept up with the tech behind tor

    9. Re:Downloading through TOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's saying that torrent traffic ain't desirable oven Tor. I think the usual reason is the bandwidth needs, but this blog post enumerates other reasons:

      https://blog.torproject.org/bl...

      Using Tor for less bandwidth intensive things is cool though.

    10. Re:Downloading through TOR by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Like I said putting torrent traffic through TOR only clogs the exit nodes.

      Well, then honestly, if TOR is supposed to be your super secret onion-routing so people can't see what you do, and you don't put all of your traffic through it, it's pretty much useless as a security measure.

      Because when you only use it for stuff which requires additional security, you give out the information of "I'm not doing anything important now" and "I've just started doing something important".

      So, which would you prefer? Clogging the exit nodes, or broadcasting when you switch from "normal" traffic to "secure" traffic?

      This may be a real-world limitation of TOR, but from a security perspective, this kind of thing should be used all the time, just like encryption.

      Because when you don't use it, you leak additional information about how and when you DO use it -- and you reinforce that people are only using TOR and encryption to do shady things, and the assholes who don't want you to have this will keep trying to outlaw it on the basis that it is only used for shady things.

      Even if you never do shady things, or things you want to do with a little extra security, only using these things some of the time really does defeat the purpose, and undermines why you should be free to use it in the first place.

      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    11. Re:Downloading through TOR by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Why were you downloading torrents through the TOR network? Its pointless and clogs exit nodes.

      He wasn't, but he's hardly going to post that he was downloading huge amounts of child porn is he?

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    12. Re:Downloading through TOR by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If you do torrents normally, and use TOR for everything else, you still are a consistent TOR user for all other purposes, and you aren't clogging the exit nodes. If you aren't torrenting anything the government would disapprove of (other than violating copyright), that should work fine.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    13. Re:Downloading through TOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That terrorist talk

  21. All of us... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In case you haven't been paying attention, the FED is spying on everyone whether they're entitled to or not. That means that you're on at least one list if you've used the phone or internet. Duh.

  22. Reading Slashdot? Don't worry. by Noryungi · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are already on a watch list. Somewhere.

    After all, most NSA people are geeks, and so they read Slashdot. To the point they did a MITM using a fake Slashdot page.

    Oh, and by the way: hi NSA!

    A more serious reply is this one: they don't want you to know you are on a watch list. If you represent a serious target, they REALLY don't want you to know. On the other hand, if you have any reason to suspect you are a serious target, assume the worst and unplug now.

    --
    The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
    1. Re:Reading Slashdot? Don't worry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot was geeks maybe 15 years ago. Now it's a bunch of harmless weirdos who live in their parent's basement and like technology, even if they aren't particularly talented at it.

      I doubt many Slashdot readers are on watch lists - why bother?

    2. Re:Reading Slashdot? Don't worry. by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      A more serious reply is this one: they don't want you to know you are on a watch list. If you represent a serious target, they REALLY don't want you to know. On the other hand, if you have any reason to suspect you are a serious target, assume the worst and unplug now.

      Why would anyone tip their hand and let them know you know? This is the kind of advice meted out by amateurs and NSA shills.

      Oh, and by the way: hi NSA!

      Figures... wave to your pals.

      After all, most NSA people are geeks, and so they read Slashdot.

      You would know.

    3. Re:Reading Slashdot? Don't worry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would anyone tip their hand and let them know you know? This is the kind of advice meted out by amateurs and NSA shills.

      Dude, this is SLASHDOT. o.O

    4. Re:Reading Slashdot? Don't worry. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Which is why I can't see any reason for a no-fly list. If you're investigating someone as a serious threat, and don't want them to know you're on to them, the last thing you want to do is tell them they're suspected of something if they ever try to board an airplane.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    5. Re:Reading Slashdot? Don't worry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the real purpose is to control the flow of people and their ideas. If people are limited to communicating by wire they can be easily censored.

  23. I think we are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever felt like writing posts as Anonymous Coward? Or that guy who thinks he has an identity to protect? Know Orwell's 1984 or Aronofsky's Pi? Yes you are suspect. Ever felt like playing Fallout 4 would be a refreshing experience? Or how ISIS felt powerful? Yes yes. Ever watched "let's check deep web" YouTube videos? Yes you are in the top 10 list, just you my friend. They are inside your head.

  24. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is someone off their meds or just need some? If you're paranoid you're on a watchlist because you did something illegal, and you know you did but didn't get caught, then try going for a plane flight. If you didn't actually do anything wrong and you think you might be on a watchlist you either need to see a psychiatrist or just take a plane flight and STFU!

  25. download linux distros via TOR??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WHY??????

  26. Just ask by dysmal · · Score: 1

    Simple. Just pick up the phone and ask the dial tone.

    1. Re:Just ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And call it.

      I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid. You're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you, a world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries, a world where anything is possible. Where we go from there, is a choice I leave to you.

    2. Re:Just ask by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      You don't even have to pick the phone up anymore. The average person has no fewer than 4 recording devices (two with video) within 6' of him while he's at home, and 0 true "off" buttons.

    3. Re:Just ask by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      You can't even yank the batteries anymore... There's even malware out there that will make you *THINK* you're turning the phone off and back on using the menu/'power switch', but actually keep the phone on keep recording. Heck, it might be a signal to *increase* recording.

      --
      I don't read AC A human right
    4. Re:Just ask by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't think it would take a lot of effort to mod in a physical on off switch from the battery. Assuming you can get the case open.

      --
      Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
    5. Re:Just ask by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Then you have chosen very poorly when you chose your phone. There are still plenty of models where the battery can be easily removed and replaced without even needing a screwdriver.

    6. Re:Just ask by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's also the idea of letting "them" track your phone, and making sure it's not with you when you do something covert. I was shocked while watching the first episode of Dexter when he had his cell phone on him while doing something to the body of a guy he murdered.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    7. Re:Just ask by dbIII · · Score: 1

      One thing that was really funny in real life recently was a drug dealer who was using a "burner" at the same time his normal phone was turned on in his pocket - while standing way out in the open in a park at night hundreds of metres away from any other phones. The police found where his signal on the "burner" came from and then looked up the ownership records for the other phone operating at that location.

  27. REally?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude,,
    if your doing something questionable, then perhaps you should assume as much..
    You DONT have to torrent those ISO files, you can also ftp or even dl them over http..
    it's like saying, I smoke half a pack of cig's a day, have been for 10+ years now, am I addicted??
    I have a firecracker,, if I hold it in my hand I run the risk of blowing my shit off. I see it happening to others, men, woman, children, etc.
    Should it do that?
    Or how about, would you allow a colleague or friend to defecate on your head, just so you could be called a shit-head. Taking that a step further, would that action or series of actions put you on some list as well..

  28. One way to tell that you're probably not on them by movdqa · · Score: 1

    My wife and I were added to some expedited airport list so that we go through a lower level of screening than other passengers. This year, it appears that our kids were added as they had to go through the regular line in past years and now go though the same line with us. I don't really have a clue as to how all of this stuff works.

  29. Re:YES. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And, would it hurt you to call your mother now and then? She's worried about you.

  30. Just be sure you are on a watchlist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Write your Congressman, Senator, and the President about something. Add in randomly misspelled words, and suggest you know things you shouldn't.

    This will get you on a watchlist, without violating any laws, but hopefully keep them so busy they can't find your real crimes.

  31. Simple checklist by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 0

    1. Are you American. You're on an unconstitutional and illegal watchlist.
    2. Are you Canadian. You're on an unconstitutional and illegal watchlist.
    3. Are you European. You're on an illegal watchlist.
    4. Are you from anywhere else? You're on a watchlist, but it's probably legal.

    Oh, and they are tracking your cell phones. Always.

    And, yes, your xBox One and PS are spying on you, as well as Windows 10.

    Should you be paranoid? Doesn't matter, actually.

    --
    -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
    1. Re:Simple checklist by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Oh, and they are tracking your cell phones. Always.

      And, yes, your xBox One and PS are spying on you, as well as Windows 10.

      Well luckily I don't have an Xbox One, PS, or Windows 10. What kind of idiot would willingly use any of those?

      The cellphone one isn't so easy to avoid however; it's pretty hard to get along in today's society without one. But if you're going to do anything you're not supposed to, it is easy enough to just leave the phone at home that day.

    2. Re:Simple checklist by dave420 · · Score: 0

      What kind of idiot? An idiot who spends their life not cowering in fear from anything with an LED.

    3. Re:Simple checklist by Blade · · Score: 1

      But if you're going to do anything you're not supposed to, it is easy enough to just leave the phone at home that day.

      Flagged.

      What you need to do is build up a pattern of sometimes taking it and sometimes not taking it, so that it's not possible to determine from the location of your phone whether you're doing nefarious stuff. It's like someone earlier said about encryption, you need to use it for everything you do, mundane or not, for it to be effective, otherwise using it becomes a flag in its own right.

    4. Re:Simple checklist by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No, the kind of moron who's dumb enough to spend good money and waste time on Windows 10 and its shitty Metro interface.

    5. Re:Simple checklist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      *** SMACK*** is the sound of dave420 going down eating his words getting bitchslapped by apk http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    6. Re:Simple checklist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awww, is the pretendo loving fucktard hurt because his precious wittle pretendo piss on u is a dismal failure and every console they release is going to be an even bigger flop? As I stated 9 years ago pretendo is an old, washed up hasbeen and of course the fucktarded shitdot sheeple modded me down for speaking the truth. I love posting this shit as the fucktarded shitdot sheeple like you rage-mod such comments into oblivion because you are all afraid of the fucking truth that you are nothing more than a bunch of stupid, communist loving fucktards who should go and slit your fucking wrists.

      GO AHEAD FUCKING FLAME AWAY
      OR WASTE YOUR GODDAMNED
      MOD POINTS FUCKTARDED SHITDOT SHEEPLE OR BETTER
      YET GO SLIT YOUR FUCKING WRISTS
      FUCKTARDED SHITDOT SHEEPLE

  32. Get a government job... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the government didn't know about you before, they will after you get hired for a government job. My two-hour background interview lasted four hours because I had to list every I.T. contract job I did since the Great Recession. Security folks frown on the practice of having two jobs at the same time, say a weekday job and a weekend job, which I had to do after being out of work for two years and filing for chapter seven bankruptcy. Living in the same studio apartment for ten years was another flag, as that was inconsistent with being unemployed for two years and filing for chapter seven bankruptcy. We went back and forth on those two points. And then Chinese hackers stole my background file along with millions of other government employees.

    1. Re:Get a government job... by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      Easy way to check if you're on a watch list:

      1. Place one or two fingers on your pulse.
      2. Count.

      If your count is higher than zero, you're on a watch list. Papers please.

      --
      ~X~
    2. Re:Get a government job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if your count is zero, you are on a voting list.

  33. Why use Tor to download Linux ISOs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're spewing a number of words, but they don't make a sentence or sense. You wouldn't use Tor to download ISOs when you could simply use a torrent. You know they aren't the same thing right?

  34. Are YOU on a watchlist by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Of course not, citizen. Thank you for asking. Could you step this way for a moment, please?

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  35. I'm cooking dinner in a pressure cooker right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will be done in 11 minutes. They're awesome.

  36. This was before watch lists, but... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

    What sort of suspicious special attention have you received?

    Back in '97, my roommate and I went over to Vietnam. She's from there and we went over to visit some friends--purely tourist stuff. While I was there, I visited the Cu Chi tunnels and picked up a Vietnamese Officer's cap from the gift shop--My "Commie Hat," as I call it. I brought it with me on the flight back and was wearing it when I got to the airport in the US.

    So I get off the plane and I stop and look at the big sign they have discussing things you can bring in and can't bring in and the duty that needs to be paid and stuff like that. I didn't bring much back of particular value and wasn't too concerned. I mostly just wanted to rest for a minute. Out of the corner of my eye, I noticed a uniformed customs person staring at me. I glanced over and sure enough, there he was. Just standing there and staring at me. I continued my walk to baggage claim and he starts following me. When I get to baggage claim, I hang around and wait for my bag and the guy is still standing around and staring at me. My bag--a big ol' duffel bag--shows up and I sling it over my shoulder and trudge off to customs. Off he goes as well. While I'm waiting in line there, he's still standing off to the side and staring at me! I declare that I have a couple of knit caps and a half-naked woman ashtray in my bag. They didn't really search my bag or anything too severe and I think I might have paid a few bucks--I don't really remember. Then I left, with the customs guy still staring at me as I walked away.

    The only thing I can think of was that I was wearing my "Commie Hat" and that stuck in his craw somehow.

    1. Re:This was before watch lists, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was probably me. I get bored at work sometimes, so I spend my time following and staring suspiciously at random people. As a bonus it makes it look like I'm actually doing a good job!

  37. this One Weird Trick gets you on a Watchlist by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    congratulations! you're on /.

  38. Archibald Buttle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes it does not matter if you are on a list or not:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_%281985_film%29

  39. Two simple steps by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    1. Make a FOIA request with your name and possibly other identifying information
    2. Congratulations! You are now on a watchlist

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  40. I always see "FBI Survalence Van" on my WIFI list. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I might be on the list.

  41. My experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once at an airport I met a loony TSA agent who claimed to have met Muhammad in his dreams.

    Till date I haven't figured out if he was actually nuts or was just gauging how I would respond to this wackiness. I found it unnerving in either case.

  42. oh, thats easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    take out a full page add, calling for death to the unbelievers in the name
    of Islam, and include your name, home address and phone number

    its safe to assume at the point you're on a watchlist

  43. The Illuminated Path by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There have been news articles about people being questioned in airports and given special attention for being political activists.

    So, are all political activists potential terrorists in the US? Or are the suspicious ones only those who are concerned how people and animals are treated in and by the society?

  44. What's the differance? by bobbied · · Score: 1

    At this point, what difference does it make?

    If you are on a list, you are on it. You won't know one way or another until some authority who uses the list when dealing with you, and even then you may not know. Apart from actually doing something illegal, chances are you will never be on a list beyond the IRS's.

    IMHO - I'm just guessing here, but I seriously doubt that you have caught the attention of *anybody* compiling lists of people to watch compiled by the government if your identity wasn't already suspect. Just doing a Google search, or to or 100 isn't all that significant. Downloading lots of stuff though Tor is not significant either. Unless you are routinely calling your local ISIS recruiter or something else DIRECTLY suspicious, I seriously doubt there is much you can do to get on some government list. There are over a hundred million people in this country, you are going to have to really do something to stand out in the crowd and what you describe is unlikely to draw any attention.

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  45. You need more Congressmen by davidwr · · Score: 1

    The fun part is that there's no way to get off the list. I've now have three Congressman and a Senator from two different States tell me this.

    There is a way, but 3 Congressmen and 2 Senators isn't enough.

    If you had 218 Congressmen and 51 Senators and the President on your side, that might be enough, but just to be safe, get 61 Senators on your side.

    They can pass a "private relief act" type of bill to remove you from the watchlist. Once the President signs it, it will be law.

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    1. Re:You need more Congressmen by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 1

      That would be 60 Senators, or the other 49 can filibuster it through a hole in the ground so deep not even Sadam Hussein could burrow down to it.

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  46. Are you a Human? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you a Human?

    Then you are on a watchlist.

    FBI checklist:
    http://www.networkworld.com/ar...

    Ever used tor or a vpn?
    Ever posted anything anti-government?
    Ever traveled outside your country?
    Ever phoned/skyped/g-talked to anyone outside your country?

    I have a friend, David Nelson. I've known him since we were about 10yrs old. He and 2000 other "David Nelsons" are on the TSA watchlist. That was a problem for my friend since he used to travel every week for business. After missing about 10 flights due the watch list triple-checking, he was asked to quit his job. Here's the TSA side of the story.
    http://blog.tsa.gov/2008/07/my...

  47. Your government is afraid of you. by AndyCanfield · · Score: 1

    Not part of Thomas Jefferson's plan for democracy. Who is the enemy? YOU ARE!

  48. Very easy if you fly, 3 letter code on ticket by Cito · · Score: 1

    If you get a plane ticket and it's has the 3 letter code SSSS
    then you are on list to be pulled aside for special screening.

    But this watchlist is kinda arbitrary. got a couple cousins that work for TSA, of course it's easy to infiltrate TSA as they hire anyone when there's openings. Even highschool dropouts work for TSA minimum wage.

    Anyhow they've fucked with assholes before by tossing them in the list so any future plane tickets they ever purchase will be tagged SSSS

    SSSS = the new "SS" hehe

    but yea you see this: http://i.imgur.com/Ns42bla.jpg

    you are on watchlist.

    here's wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    But TSA can add you to it to troll you.

    I heard one story woman kept snapping at them to hurry, and was being rude. They know everyone hates TSA, they even hate it, but only thing that was hiring at the time.

    There's about 7 or 8 in his area and woman just kept tossing insults.

    so after she got through, they added her to the SSSS list. So any airport and any airline she will be pulled out of line for special secondary searches.

    There are also tales of TSA trolling sports figures, wwe wrestlers and some celebrities, and filmmakers like michael moore/morgan spurlock and adding them to the watch list :P

    michael moore had a huge bitch session on his blog long ago after finding out he's on the tsa list.

    but thats just the TSA watchlist.

    there are other lists, NSA/CIA/FBI/ATF/etc... dozens of alphabet pigs

    1. Re:Very easy if you fly, 3 letter code on ticket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "it's has the 3 letter code SSSS"

      I'm going to be a little skeptical of anything written by someone who can neither spell nor count to 4.

    2. Re:Very easy if you fly, 3 letter code on ticket by WaffleMonster · · Score: 5, Funny

      "it's has the 3 letter code SSSS"
      I'm going to be a little skeptical of anything written by someone who can neither spell nor count to 4.

      After all these years of Slashdot's misleading headline and trolling torture I honestly thought I could see 5 S's on my boarding pass.

    3. Re:Very easy if you fly, 3 letter code on ticket by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

      Just to let you know that you might not be on that list if you see that code though. That code is also given out "randomly" to flyers from time to time. I have had it 2 times in the past, both times were when I had open ended tickets with no return flight booked because I didn't know how long I was going to be needed at the destination. I also fit the single, male, in mid-late 20's, flying alone categories... All in all, enough to flag me. But I have also flown many times as well both before those incidents and after without the SSSS code and have had no issues.

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    4. Re:Very easy if you fly, 3 letter code on ticket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but yea you see this: http://i.imgur.com/Ns42bla.jpg

    5. Re:Very easy if you fly, 3 letter code on ticket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but yea you see this: http://i.imgur.com/Ns42bla.jpg

      you are on watchlist.

      I clicked that link. Great, it's on my ISP undesirable websites blocklist. NOW I'm definitely on some list.

    6. Re:Very easy if you fly, 3 letter code on ticket by MarkRose · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is run by Cardassians! I knew it! It all makes sense now!

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    7. Re:Very easy if you fly, 3 letter code on ticket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is run by Cardassians! I knew it! It all makes sense now!

      Careful, you might break the internet!

  49. Don't even need to board it ... by oneiros27 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The sign is when they won't let you check-in online.

    My neighbor's kid has the same name as an IRA terrorist ... so they had to go through loads of crap every time, to explain that he's 3 ... he might be a terror, but he's not a terrorist.

    I don't know if they still have problems flying with him or not. (He's now in high school)

    This is part of the reason why the 'there are only (x) number of people on the terrorist watchlist' is problematic -- you have (x) people with (y) permutations of their aliases which means (z) people are stopped every time ... except for the people who we deem *so* dangerous that we don't want them to find out they're being watch ... so they're allowed to fly.

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    1. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used to have this problem as well. It disappeared when I started traveling with my middle initial. And for any airline/website that doesn't have a field for the middle initial, just append it to the first name, since that's what the ticketing system does internally anyway. Problem solved.

    2. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by sconeu · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Happened to me once... Was heading to Vermont to pick up my daughter from college. For various reasons, it was easier to split it up into two one-way flights (mostly to guarantee adjoining seats on the return flight).

      Anyways, I couldn't check in online. I go to the counter to check in, and was asked a bunch of leading questions ("You're going to Logan, right?" "No, Burlington Vermont!") over and over. Eventually I checked in.

      While waiting for the gate, I realized... I hit all the flags... Male, travelling alone, no bags, one way.... DING DING DING DING!!

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    3. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I used to visit my girlfriend (now wife) in Holland every week from England for about a year. I'd spend pretty much my weeks earnings on the trip because I was an idiot. I'd always travel alone with either nothing at all except my passport and wallet or with a small bag. EVERY time I'd get special treatment at security coming back to the UK. One time they unwrapped all the Christmas presents I'd brought back for my family from my girlfriends family. I got to know the names of the people at Customs who'd stop me and I even figured out who was covering for whom if the shift was different. One lady, Sarah, was always really nice. In the end they just asked me the questions (where have you been, what did you do, do you have anything you shouldn't have etc...) in one quick run then we'd have a chat. They used to take bets on who would try to run. If it had carried on longer I'm pretty sure I'd have been invited to wager too but I emigrated there after my university was done.

      Liverpool to Amsterdam, leaving Friday afternoon returning early Monday morning, same every week, male travelling alone in his early 20's with long hair...

      I was the poster boy for pot smuggling, they knew it and I know it. I've never even tried it.

    4. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's interesting someone can get in trouble in the USA for having the same name as an IRA guy but if you are a Senator it's OK to have raised funds for them and actually met a bunch of the terrorists back when they were setting off bombs in the UK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_T._King).

    5. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by epiphani · · Score: 1

      I'm a frequent flier, and the extended search happens regardless of watchlists. I get it randomly about every 30 flights - 2-3 times a year. It's a bit annoying as it takes me out of the priority line, but the extra search is not really that extensive - a palm check for chemicals and a few extra questions.

      Granted, frequent fliers know how to expedite these things: look bored, tired, and very slightly annoyed. Have everything exactly in order. Fly carry-on. Have your FF badge visible and be part of TSA-pre or whatever you can find.

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    6. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quick, someone tell the Russians and Egyptians.

      Oh wait...

    7. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by bluelip · · Score: 0

      The current president had an issue with domains I bought (regarding to his grandmom and other issues). The secret service was sad that their boss was a loser. Pulled out of work, sat in a recliner while my house was ravaged, and no threat was found here while the real threat is still sitting at 1600.

      Oh, back on topic, get a TWIC. $135 that says you are an OK fellow. No problem since then. Guess the president doesn't mind criticism as long as you blow him first. Just like Clinton or any other Democrat.

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    8. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      There are "random" checks as well - where you get a line of asterisks on your boarding pass, and get pulled aside at every step for extra checking. But if you're on a watchlist, it will happen every time, not 1 in 30 or so. I put "random" into quotes, because the only time it has happened to me was when I was standing in line behind a middle-eastern looking woman in October 2001, and they seemed to pick her out by racial profiling. Then I was asked if we were together and I must have said "no" in a suspicious tone of voice or something, as they decided I needed to go along with her to a separate checkin queue for extra checking. It was clearly decided by a human, not the computer who was going into this queue, but the system may have changed after that. Booking one way flights and having someone else pay for them on a company credit card reportedly increases your chances as well.

    9. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      They put asterisks on your boarding pass?! So any would-be terrorist will just check in, check whether or not his boarding pass has astrisks on it, and if it does, cancel and walk away? Kind of defeats the purpose of the extra check, doesn't it? If someone shows up at the check point with asterisks on his boarding pass, you know in advance it won't be a terrorist.

    10. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Actually, it was SSSS, not asterisks. I was reminded of the details by another post.

    11. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talk like that gets you on the special list. Don't poke the bear

    12. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Happened to me once... Was heading to Vermont to pick up my daughter from college. For various reasons, it was easier to split it up into two one-way flights (mostly to guarantee adjoining seats on the return flight).

      Anyways, I couldn't check in online. I go to the counter to check in, and was asked a bunch of leading questions ("You're going to Logan, right?" "No, Burlington Vermont!") over and over. Eventually I checked in.

      While waiting for the gate, I realized... I hit all the flags... Male, travelling alone, no bags, one way.... DING DING DING DING!!

      And probably being called "John Terrorist" didn't help.

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    13. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      But they can't just say "no one would be stupid enough to act like a drug smuggler if they were actually smuggling drugs, so we won't bother stopping him". They'd end up in an infinite bluff/double-bluff/ loop.

      If the police see someone dressed in black clothes with a mask on carrying a large sack at 4 o'clock in the morning with the word "swag" written on it they can't just assume it's a joke.

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    14. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by jittles · · Score: 1

      I'm a frequent flier, and the extended search happens regardless of watchlists. I get it randomly about every 30 flights - 2-3 times a year. It's a bit annoying as it takes me out of the priority line, but the extra search is not really that extensive - a palm check for chemicals and a few extra questions.

      Granted, frequent fliers know how to expedite these things: look bored, tired, and very slightly annoyed. Have everything exactly in order. Fly carry-on. Have your FF badge visible and be part of TSA-pre or whatever you can find.

      I don't know if I fly as frequently as you, but it may have something to do with your name, heritage, or something else. I'm a tall white guy - I look German. I've accrued approximately to 750,000 miles since September 11th, 2001 and I have only had extra screening once. That was after they found some homemade electronics in my carry on luggage that had a pair of AA batteries hooked up to it. The extra security in that case was them running it through the x-ray machine at different angles for a half an hour (it was in a metal tin). Then they asked me what it was for, said it was cool, and asked if they could take some pictures of it to share with DHS HQ as an example of benign homemade electronics. Apparently the TSA agents are supposed to get training in such things. I have never opted for TSA Pre-check and never advertise that I am a frequent flyer.

    15. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Does the US have an issue with the IRA? I know UK does, but I don't think they ever harassed the US. I could be wrong though.

      I imagine the lists are shared, but I doubt that the UK would have reason to put a US person on the list due to support, and the US has little reason to add someone for supporting the IRA.

      Does the IRA even do anything anymore? I thought they kind of stopped attacking since the Republic of Ireland gained independence.

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    16. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I got that once recently while traveling with the kids. They looked at my pass, and the kids, and let me through the normal line. It was actually kind of funny.

      I also was specially selected when traveling alone once for work. They swabbed my laptop backpack I was using for a carry-on, and ran a spectrometer of some sort on the swab. It wasn't too bad, they didn't even feel me up.

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    17. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      The main problem for the IRA for decades has been the Six Counties. Ireland is a republic. Northern Ireland is still held and occupied by the UK. The reason things have been so bloody is that part of the local population wants to join Ireland and part wants to stay in the UK. The UK army was then stationed there to keep the peace, and neither local side really wanted them there. The IRA wanted them there even less than the UK loyalists.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      You see, Northern Ireland is almost all Irish with some Scottish and other ethnicities. It's on the island of Eire. But it's not part of Eire politically. That's the contentious issue. From one side the question is should they be part of the country with which some of them yearn to rejoin or stay part of an occupying foreign empire. From the other side it's should they stay with the country they've been part of for a long time and are happy to be part of, or should they be ripped away and forced to join some other country due to ethnic and historical reasons. It's really not an easy thing to solve. It's amazing it's been this peaceful for this long in recent years.

    18. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm an adult in the same situation as that kid. I had to send all sorts of personally identifying paperwork to TSA and then wait several months for a "redress number" which I have to provide to airlines every time I buy tickets, otherwise I can't check in online and I get yanked out of line for additional screening. It's a pain in the ass.

    19. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to dig out my pictures of rumsfeld shaking hands with several of the world's worst people.

    20. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If you want to get the extra checks all the time, have the sort of surgery that involves leaving significant amounts of metal in your body. Mom got the SSSS after knee replacement surgery, and an uncle of mine got it consistently because of his thumb (he cut it off, and it was attached with metal pins).

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    21. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by dbIII · · Score: 1
      Did you miss the post from " oneiros27" above about someone being on the list due to having the same name as an IRA member? Please try to follow the thread and you will not have to ask questions that have already been answered.

      Does the IRA even do anything anymore

      Not really the point since people involved still have their travel restricted.

      US has little reason to add someone for supporting the IRA

      The US has a very good reason to prevent putting a known and proud supporter of terrorists in charge of a commitee that is supposed to set policy on terrorists. Whether he should be jailed for supporting what the US once listed as a prohibited terrorist group or extradited to the UK is a completely different issue.

    22. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Such as himself? He managed to do more damage to the US military, twice, than any enemy since Korea. The mad cost-cutting drive for "warriors" instead of trained professional soldiers was behind just about every recent fuckup and scandal.

    23. Re:Don't even need to board it ... by wwphx · · Score: 1

      Actually Senator Ted Kennedy had problems with airport security and had difficulty boarding flights. If you weren't a senator, I don't know how well the process would work to clear your name. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08...

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  50. I follow both Snowden & Assange on twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And they're both my friends on facebook.

  51. Here's a hint by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    My guess: If you post on a major technical site asking as an anonymous coward how to find out if you are on a watch list, you are on a watch list.

    You may not be on a no fly list, and it may a watch list of "mostly harmless" people, but you're on a watch list.

  52. Should be obvious by jtara · · Score: 1

    Pressure Cooker + Ina Garten = cool

    Pressure Cooker + ISIS = no fly

    Pressure Cooker + Anthony Bordain = check for drugs

  53. Apply for security clearance or gov permits by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apply for a security clearance for work or to improve looking for gov/mil work.
    Look into getting a police check or certificate for local work.
    That would induce paperwork see if a person has been placed on a basic, direct national not trusted list.
    The "political activists" can face a very passive surveillance just to see who a person talks to, walks with, sends emails, letters, phones, spends hours with.. IM lists, IRC, web 2.0, international VOIP, IM with a person not added to a friends list or not shared with a common third persons IM list, any contact with 1950-80's activists or their work.
    A lot of advanced "charity" and "corporate" network tracking is often shared with or sold to gov, mil to see what political connections people make.
    If you are a journalist, press, media expect gov backed malware crafted just for your computers, cell phone. No consumer grade protection will have any record of it and view it as normal OS like functionality. Traces of such efforts can point to gov interest in a person.
    What are most Western governments looking for at this time is passive collect it all databases that show hops, links, connections, people talking politics, crypto.
    Build up too much of an online reputation and have the ability to sway, protect or publish mil or gov whistleblowers material is really when the gov and mil take note.
    Crypto and advance maths skills? Creating open source projects with advanced crypto skills passed on from advance university learning that was for placement for mil or gov jobs. Changing from closed source well paid private sector skills to open source crypto.. that will get a lot of gov attention and for anyone in the same project forum, IRC chats, code site.
    What books a person buys online on what topics. Years of bulk non fiction can show a person deep in thought about political issues. Some more nonfiction book orders can help with that list..
    Basically a person is waiting for enough of a gov database to move form a person of interest to active protest group or political group creation.
    Another tracking point is *who* is reading your work, code, looking for you online. If workers with security clearances are been tracked looking up your blog, your work as a journalist, chatroom, code project, as an author...in own time, at home.. your work is an issue for a gov or mil.
    University presentations on open, public papers surrounding crypto, gov, mil whistleblowers material even if your nation has freedom of the press, freedom after and of speech.
    'How Covert Agents Infiltrate The Internet To Manipulate, Deceive, And Destroy Reputations" (Feb. 25 2014) https://theintercept.com/2014/...

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    1. Re:Apply for security clearance or gov permits by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Just another note, writing/speaking on collating economic and open source financial intelligence data or related computer programming and polygraph research (lie detector for security interviews in some nations) will make a list too :)

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  54. Save themselves some time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You would hope that the people managing these lists would make their own jobs easier by making the lists a bit smarter. Surely each entry would have a score associated with it which would reflect how often that entry "tripped the wire". Scores would degrade over time reflecting that the initial listing wasnt indicative of concerning behavior. Over time the people who only got on as a result of something stupid would filter to the bottom of the list and the more active ones would "percolate" to the top. Only scores above a certain value would get stopped, watched, etc. That's assuming of course that the system is actually designed to identify potential terrorists and isn't just a tool for oppression of the masses. In fact you'd have to hope that they're way smarter than that. I wonder if they incorporate how often you're in proximity to a listed entity with a higher score than yours based on cell gps data? Might want to be careful who you sit next to on the bus, or at least don't always sit next to the same person.

    1. Re:Save themselves some time... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      That AC is hoping the data capture, entry and analysis is been done looking for another nations spies. A nations best of the best are looking for another nations best spies is the vision been sold to the public.
      The problem is the rapid expansion of staff with list addition access. Political waivers for cleared staff getting social advancement to make hiring statistics look better, state level random additions, party political reasons. The people cleared to create a list, add to a list or make the decision on the level of 'watching' is now a rather a big tent. Public and private sectors workers have to 'add' to lists just keep their gov happy.
      No bid contractors doing internal clearances for needed teams of staff members (everyone is cleared as the boss is cleared by default), the rushed need for staff with language skills getting access, paper work "dual" citizens with other loyalties, past skills been upgraded for security work adding lots of names for decades.
      The ""percolate" to the top" red tape that kept the best mil and gov databases mission focused is now been replaced with new ideas and considerations. Lists are now added to for internal performance quotas or driven by private sector profit considerations or just to keep a clearance active.
      Automation also floods databases, every licence plate down roads, databased images of driver and passenger, every active cell phone tracked in an area, tourist or photographer tracked back to their vehicles licence plate and reported for camera use..

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    2. Re:Save themselves some time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's just it, if all that crap is being added to the database then they need to sort it usefully. All the dickheads adding names to advance their own careers crap needs to be weeded out real fast. A list with 5 million names and nothing else on it is completely useless for anything other than taking up space on a hard drive.

  55. Or what watchlists exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What watchlists exist- that's the real question.

    Remember, all repression begins with *keeping lists of people* and all repressive regimes begin to look and act alike past a certain point. In China, the government assigns you an ongoing *credit score* according to your activism and political statements.

    https://www.aclu.org/blog/free...

    Think about it. There must be watchlists in the US other than the ones we know about. Watchlists for people who can't be permitted to say, succeed at starting a defense contracting firm... or a biotech firm.. a computer security firm... where does it stop? Think about people who are known to express sympathies and maintain personal associations with terrorists. There are some things which are *inalienable rights* under the Constitution which the intelligence community is going to want to deny them, in this case freedom of association and the pursuit of happiness (in their chosen field of work).

    Does the intelligence community think is has the right to decide who will fail and to cause that failure? You have to think that they do.

    So how is that done, exactly? When the person goes for funding pf their company, or starts one and recruits people, are there informal channels where potential investors communicate with the intelligence community? Or does the intelligence community proactively communicate with them? Does either party do that before any big investment in any technology firm?

    What about hires? There are tons of positions that could be damaging to the security of the United States is the *wrong* people started jobs in them. I am not just talking about the obvious ones. I am talking about non-obvious ones, like computer programmer, chip fabricator, biotech executive. There are not SCI positions, and yet....

    And what properties other than consorting with known terrorists might get you on a list? Known strong civil libertarian? Known big government hater?

    When Jesselyn Raddack went to get another job as a lawyer, the government called her employer and made sure the employer fierd her, without cause. They did it to her we know, sowho else do they do that to and how many of those people are there and what exactly are the properties which will get non-criminals in the crosshairs?

    Private entities which are free from government oversight and Constitutional constraints on their behvaior engage in profiling and list making.This is how organizations like Perverted Justice basically operate. They engage in all kinds of luring behaviors online, in chatrooms and elsewhere, to flush out and ensnare people in criminal behaviors, then when a certain threshold of culpability and intent is reached, the whole exchange gets turned over to the police in real time.

    Same thing with list making. A private company can create attribute lists of people based on derogatory information for highly questionable sources, speculation, vicious gossip, total hearsay, even people intent on smearing an enemy. After all, it's not a crime to think and talk about your impressions of people and then write it down. It's not a crime to try to be more thorough than that and access information from all kinds of sources.

    Then that information gets *shared*.

    In this kind of scheme, the police never did anything but accept community input and tips. That's good policing, right?

    With certainity, the terrorist watch list and no-fly lists are the tip of the people-list iceberg. In all likelihood, a long time ago, it careened into illegality and unconstituional surveillance and interference in people's lives, but like parallel construction:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    it's probably now considered "bedrock" policing techniques, the Constitution be damned.

    Here's the million dollar question. Do the police and the intelligence communities deliberately and s

  56. Been there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My alarm clock set off an airline's bomb sniffer. Even though the finally figured it out after a half hour of passing my bag back over and over again, nevertheless, they put me on their own computer's watch list. This was within the first few years of all this starting. The things I noticed was:
    Not allowed to check in at the curb side check in anymore.
    Always required to go through that airline's pre-screening scanner after checking in at the ticket counter.
    Always had to go through a secondary airline screening at the gate.
    This happened three times in a row. I have not flown commercial since. Been about 14 flightless years now.

  57. Watch list protocol for the FBI, CIA and NSA by MakersDirector · · Score: 2, Informative

    First, if you're a US citizen or Green Card Holder, or applying for a Green Card or citizenship you're on a passive watch list by the FBI.

    This is a thought of as a protective service, an insurance policy provided by the government by investing in you, as a citizen to be a part of this country, and by you choosing to be a part of this country.

    What this passive watch list means is - first and foremost - if you show extreme pattern disruptions and interruptions in your behaviors which can be detrimental to your health and/or to others around you - then there could be psychological or other influences occurring to you that may be the product of things outside your control or even awareness through foreign governments and/or malicious company practices and/or any other set of indeterminate and often obscure reasons which warrant FBI investigation.

    MOST of these reasons are known as domestic terrorism, it's not sold as such publicly because of the connotation terrorism has with Al Qaida and Bin Laden and the sort, but the effects can be just as detrimental to a large population if not at the very least understood, and in some cases, the risk is mitigated.

    Second, this watch list also actively monitors you while you're outside the country - largely because most people aren't aware of how much of a problem human trafficking is when they travel abroad and what the FBI does to mitigate this risk - whether you travel alone or with others. There's other reasons to actively monitor you while abroad, and personally I have been requesting the FBI announces this practice publicly for years and let this be an 'opt-in' service.

    The FBI maintains an active watch list for domestic citizens and internationally people and organizations for a literally ever changing variable set of reasons. Back in 2005, for instance, that watch list included keywords used in phone conversations which use 'bomb and president and kill him'. That's evolved dramatically since then, and the list of reasons that you might go from passive monitoring to active all depend on the operation within the organization. This list is not just not publicized, but is typically very dynamic and based on the agency they are dealing with (ie: IRS, Homeland Security, President and/or the Oval Office, etc)

    The NSA, like the FBI, is the same way with the dynamic list, with one glaring exception: The focus for the NSA is both prevention of corporate and government espionage and support of counter espionage research, and protection of informational and intelligence assets. So if you represent a credible threat to these, then I can guarantee you you're their watch list and I can guarantee you that your cameras and microphones everywhere you go are in passive listening mode transcribing everything you say and do. Other threats that the NSA pays attention to are largely new technology threats, which has the NSA paying attention to on the wire chatter and the development of new ideas and inventions that might create a risk to the CIA, FBI or NSA.

    Central Services is leveraged to disseminate technological threats. Terrorism in any form is the FBI's deal, so Central Services is used to provide intelligence information for these.

    The CIA doesn't have watch lists. Period end of story.

    How do you determine if you're on watch list?

    There's literally thousands of teams within the FBI alone each potentially operating in silos. And while the NSA is less silod, and more hierarchically based, there's no one single watch list that's maintained and largely it's hidden behind layers that even the best agent can't get to.

    The short answer is: Unless you're stopped and turned away at the airport. You don't represent an immediate threat to the United States.

    But you're not going to know if you're on someone's watch list within any of these agencies.

    No one person knows. That's why they call it "Top Secret/ Compartmentalized Local Information"

    Compartmentalized.

    Read: No one knows.

    1. Re:Watch list protocol for the FBI, CIA and NSA by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      The part about "All three intelligence services sent the names of Americans to the... " shows the historic domestic and global US list making.
      also see Project MINARET
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      "Secret Cold War Documents Reveal NSA Spied on Senators" (SEPTEMBER 25, 2013)
      http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/...

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:Watch list protocol for the FBI, CIA and NSA by MakersDirector · · Score: 0

      Most people who deal with intelligence don't consider wikipedia or wikileaks or anything on the internet as truly credible sources. There's too many holes, too many ways to create authentic looking content that when investigated lacks credible sourcing, and all these web sites are open and accessible and deployable by revisionist historians and conspirators and drama queens around the world - most with very clear agendas and a very good understanding of human psychology and many who have their own interests positioned firmly before the United States and her citizen's..

      On that note - a quick FYI: The NSA existed in various incarnations since 1946, but never as an organization didn't officially come into existence until 1999. Yep. their web site says otherwise. It also states that the NSA specializes in codebreaking.

      But the NSA actually does not own or manage their own web site and it's content for security reasons..

      This is why - to me at least - it is comical watching the former lawyer turned drama queen who thinks he's a programmer named Edward Snowden in action. Smoke and mirrors baybee. The first rule of espionage: pretend there is no espionage. This should tell you a little of the extent of the rabbit hole that well thought out information management has on public perception when it comes to the internet and that which constitutes reality.

      Now prior to 2003, in response to implementing portions of the patriot act and sharing information via CS - the NSA decidedly did NOT share ANY information with anyone EXCEPT the President. They selectively share it, but it's a well known fact the FBI has long operated with an agenda which doesn't always align with the country's and her people's best interests at heart.

      So going back to your document about the secret cold war.

      Let's be logical. The FBI's been tapping phones since J Edgar Hoover.

      The FBI wants a scapegoat to make someone else look like the bad guy when they have had a very long history of privacy invasion for no reason other than personal gain. So they might attempt to shift blame to the new agency on the block - the NSA.

      Or the article's pure rubbish and a fictional writer got published on the AP and spread out disinformation which had many people around the world such as yourself swallowing hook, line and sinker as legitimate news.

      Minaret, wonderful fiction that might help a foreign country or entity trace down a chain of command to understand how information flows, but simply not true.

      Choose better facts, my friend. That's my advice.

    3. Re:Watch list protocol for the FBI, CIA and NSA by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      A public timeline can be found in the "Hearings Before The Select Committee To Study Governmental Operations With Respect To Intelligence Activities Of The United States Senate Ninety-four Congress
      First Session Volume 5 October 29 And November 6, 1975
      The National Security Agency And Fourth Amendment Rights
      https://cryptome.org/nsa-4th.h...
      ".. 1952 acted to reorganize and strengthen communications intelligence activities. He issued in October 1952 .. "
      "... The Secretary of Defense, pursuant to the congressional authority delegated to him in section 133(d) of title 10 of the United States Code, acted to establish the National Security Agency. "
      MINARET is mentioned a few times.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    4. Re:Watch list protocol for the FBI, CIA and NSA by MakersDirector · · Score: 0

      So using your logic, since it is written on the internet, it must be true.

  58. NSA hotline on +49 174 276 6483 by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 1

    The NSA have set up a hotline for this. The number is +49 174 276 6483 and you'll be added to the watchlist with no further fuss. More details here: http://hop3.de/konzept_en.html

  59. I know i am on one by Garybaldy · · Score: 1

    Every time i fly i am subject to the "random" bag search.

  60. Just Assume That You Are by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    And have a background processes constantly browsing livegoatporn.com so they have something interesting to look at while they're watching you.

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    1. Re:Just Assume That You Are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And have a background processes constantly browsing livegoatporn.com so they have something interesting to look at while they're watching you.

      that was Baaaaaaad!

  61. *ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes.

  62. Additional ID Check by McNally · · Score: 1

    I was on a list. I don't know what list. Or why. Or how I got added. Or how I (eventually) got removed (I think the latter has something to do with a review process that my senator's staff helped initiate.)

    For me it took the form of an additional ID check. When flying, I was not permitted to print boarding passes in advance or check in at a kiosk in the airport - I received a non-specific error message if I tried either of those things and was told to check in with an agent. Then, when I would check in with an airline agent, when they pulled up my reservation they would see some kind of flag on the record which required them to take my photo ID and go into the back room and make a phone call before I could be cleared for boarding. Sometimes it took 5 minutes, sometimes it took 45 minutes -- I missed a couple of flights because of delays due to this before I realized it was happening every time and I needed to allow extra time for it.

    The odd (and to me, stupid) thing about it is that I never received any additional screening at the security checkpoints as a result of this list. You would think that if I was suspected of being a risk in any way they would have done at least that (not that I'm sorry they didn't, it's just that there seemed to be no rhyme or reason to their system and it was completely opaque. A couple of the check-in agents admitted to me unofficially that it was a TSA thing but they were forbidden from saying anything officially.

  63. Call the NSA... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    ...and ask. Whatever the answer you know for sure you're now on a watchlist.

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  64. if they want to watch me by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    they can watch me pick my nose, and scratch my ass, and then i will wash my hands and cook lunch, since i almost killed myself on a motorcycle i am as harmless as a kitten, i can barely walk anymore, now that i am more comfortable in a chair i am considering teaching myself some basic coding on linux and maybe if i am lucky i will make some software that will make people happy

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  65. So...I'm on a watchlist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I received a copy of my NCIC file through a court mishap kinda sorta. Basically, you won't know other than things start going wrong in your life in this really special way where multiple things all start to conflict and collide in just the perfect way, and thats about all of the indication you'll get. Beyond that, I've noted that the volumes of crimes committed against me seems to have exponentially increased while at the same time the willingness of police to take reports about them have decreased.

    1. Re:So...I'm on a watchlist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Addendum: A while back there was a series of articles about a girl whom apparently ended up mistakenly on a watch list and was kicked out of school and then had her visa withdrawn or similar and then was denied re-entry to attend her hearing to challenge her being on a watch list. When I say "things start going wrong in your life in this really special way where multiple things all start to conflict and collide in just the perfect way"-- that's what I mean.

      I've never pondered really how to detect it, I've mostly focused on how to get off of it, its nothing desirable at all. I imagine you could track the volume of incidents of things like that, but it will drive you crazy trying to differentiate a lot of it from random coincidence. It's a horrible experience in all earnest. The minute you realize that people actually are following you and the surveillance becomes this interactive process is one of the more regrettable moments of my life.

      But basically, "you will know because you will suddenly become incredibly unlucky".

    2. Re:So...I'm on a watchlist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine the suicide rate for such individuals is incredibly high earnestly. As much as I'm tempted to talk about some of the specifics, as horrible as some of the stuff is, I really have problems bringing myself too-- I actually don't like the taliban and ISIS and so on, its a challenging position, balancing ones own views on personal liberties and some of the more horrible aspects of what we do, with the understanding that such a conflict is not going to be pretty and can't be.

      It's a hard set of circumstances, knowing the people behind things are fundamentally good people trying to protect the country while being angry with them because they can't seem to get anything about yourself straight and slowly watching your entire life collapse under the weight of an entirely indifferent system; we are committing crimes against humanity. The most principle aspect that I object to is the misuse of psychology to such a degree and the usage of hospitals as a weapon to further that end.

  66. Deciding between Adolf and Osama for our neborn... by viking80 · · Score: 1

    Maybe parents should think about this *before* they give their child a name.

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  67. Check your boarding pass... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My partner was on a watchlist (because of someone she once went out with). The consistent way we knew was that every time we flew, she got pulled aside for extra screening. When we looked at her boarding pass, it was always specially marked with SSSS or *S*. When you fly, if you have SSSS or *S* on your boarding pass, congratulations, you are on a watchlist.

    The last time we went back the US, we had no problems with it, so I guess she fell off that watchlist.

  68. Old joke by AKAJoeSmooth · · Score: 1

    Make of FOIA request for my FBI records; receive back a redacted copy of my request.

  69. have a friend who works at a bank or airline by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My name came up as similar to a listed person when I opened a bank account. A banker friend may be able to run your name.

    I also got more attention from the TSA, but that may be because I used the same bag for a carry-on that I had previously used to go to the gun range, leaving a bit of powder residue all over the bag.

    I assume I'm on a few lists because I work in internet security, meaning I frequent web sites related to hacking and such, plus I (legally) work with fireworks, so I order chemicals and such that could be used to make explosives. Lastly, I'm a conservative who once checked out a Tea Party event, so the current administration is definitely notices that. The IRS started calling after I followed a tea party page on Facebook. Might be coincidence.

    1. Re:have a friend who works at a bank or airline by ruir · · Score: 1

      If you work in internet security, you surely know what a VPN is.

    2. Re:have a friend who works at a bank or airline by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's not the IRS, that's a scammer trying to scare you into sending them a check. The IRS doesn't "call"...

    3. Re:have a friend who works at a bank or airline by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      In the UK this is called the "Sanctions List", and is available here: http://hmt-sanctions.s3.amazon...

      Here is the official HM Treasury website page for it: https://www.gov.uk/government/...

    4. Re:have a friend who works at a bank or airline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honest people should not have bankers as friends.

    5. Re:have a friend who works at a bank or airline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is if you are watchlisted it happens on every flight, not just randomly.

  70. Streisand Effect by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    The Slashdot audience is now testing the Streisand Effect on such terms.

    Airports will end up with a "slashdot room" where we are all housed while they check further. You'll know when you are escorted to a room with 30 other neckbeards who smell like pizza.

    1. Re:Streisand Effect by dave420 · · Score: 1

      With apk in the middle screaming "HOSTS! HOSTS! HOSTS! I LOVE YOU COREN22!" before pretending to be 20 other people, finally soiling himself violently while humming the theme tune from Bonanza, all the time desperately trying to make eye-contact with the horrified others around him.

      At least that's how I picture it...

    2. Re:Streisand Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *** SMACK*** is the sound of dave420 going down eating his words getting bitchslapped by apk http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  71. watchlists? by unami · · Score: 1

    if you got a name and/or a face and/or have ever left the woods, your're leaving trails that will be collected, linked and analysed. but there's only so much money the lizard people can give to the illuminaliens to pay for your anal probes. also, unfortunately the financial crisis affects the interstellar export of soylent green and glagnar's human rinds too, so that leads to budget cuts as well. so, until our new & cheap robot overlords take over, you're pretty much safe.

  72. is the "watcher" asking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I was a "watcher" and I wanted to see the various ways that folks would detect my observation, I would ask a question like this.

    It would show me who was paranoid.
    It would show me who was informed.
    It would give me some good ways to make myself have less visibility, or more visibility.

  73. Re:Deciding between Adolf and Osama for our neborn by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2

    "Why should I change my name? He's the one who blows people up!"

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    Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
  74. Modding in an off switch by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    Getting the case open is the big first one, as you say, that's easier said than done. After that, you need to put a switch into a case that was designed to be as small and slim as possible with no mind paid to allowing said switch. Though I suppose you could put in a magnetic switch or something.

    In short, a major project. Unlikely to be done by any but the most dedicated, in which case it's quicker/easier to simply do what the military does - dump all the cell phones and such OUTSIDE.

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    I don't read AC A human right
    1. Re:Modding in an off switch by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      If its important to you and that seems too much trouble get a phone that you can still do a battery pull.

      Also good because then you can swap battery's and not worry about charging your phone.

      Someday people will be able to 3d print their own custom cases. And a new battery door for the tv remote.... Till then I suppose a dremel will have to do.

      If you wanted to do this at any scale you could get custom made ribbon cables put a switch on the side of the phone. If it were me id rip off the volume buttons and put the on off switch down in the hole so it was protected like a dip switch.

      But then again I only use my phone as a phone so I don't need the volume buttons.

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    2. Re:Modding in an off switch by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      But then again I only use my phone as a phone so I don't need the volume buttons.

      I use the volume buttons on my phone because different members of my family are at substantially different volume levels.

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      I don't read AC A human right
    3. Re:Modding in an off switch by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      You must have better speaker on your phone than mine does that or some of your family's phones have really good mics.

      The volume on the voice and the volume on the ringer have stayed maxed out since I got it.

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      Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
    4. Re:Modding in an off switch by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      You must have better speaker on your phone than mine does that or some of your family's phones have really good mics.

      The speaker on my phone is quite good, but then Grandma's conversations can be enjoyed, without amplification, by the neighbors. My parents are considerably quieter.

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      I don't read AC A human right
  75. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  76. Watch list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are asking the wrong question. In the post 911 USA it is easier to just assume that you are on several watchlists. It is which ones you are on that is the question. Most of them don't amount to much, but others will get you pulled aside at airports or used to deny you a job.

    Do you have a foreign sounding name?
    Have you ever been out of the country?
    Are you visiting this country?
    Are you a minority?
    Have you ever been to an internet website that some government official does not like?
    Do you belong to MENSA?
    Have you ever said anything to anybody that goes against the Obama regime's political agenda?
    Have you purchased a firearm in the last 40 years?
    Have you ever donated money to a charity?
    Have you ever written or spoken with your congressman or legislator?
    Have you ever been questioned by law enforcement (even as a witness to something you were not involved in)?
    Have you ever said anything against the school system or common core during a PTA meeting?
    Have you ever written a letter to the editor of a newspaper?
    Have you ever stood up during a city council meeting and asked "Why?"
    Do you own a digital camera?
    Do you own a toy drone?
    Have you ever purchased an alcoholic beverage?
    Have you ever purchased a beverage that contained sugar?

    I could go on, but I think you get the idea.

  77. Closest? Jeremiah Cornelius said FBI & me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The FBI has been after him, since he began promoting usage of the Windows hosts file to evade tracking and detection. They have a black mark next to his name and are looking for enough evidence for a "material support of terrorism charge"" - by Jeremiah Cornelius (137) on Thursday January 17, 2013 @08:51PM (#42622423)FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    I liked the guy too, respecting his political awareness & saavy there - However: not his tech skills though (even though he worked @ Microsoft in the past & VMWare currently afaik @ least).

    Anyhow/anyways:

    We "got into it" which surprised me & the 'feud' got pretty heated to the point he said:

    1.) I had turd breath
    2.) Was raped as a child
    3.) Had a horse porn server
    4.) That he's rip my head off & shit down my neck
    5.) I was a polock (only one that's true, lol)
    6.) Called me ALL sorts of names (peckerwood made me laugh) by the 100's etc. - et al...

    Later, I caught him posting his "$10,000 challenge to APK" UNDER HIS "real name" here/registered 'luser' name http://slashdot.org/comments.p... instead of his USUAL ac ones BY THE 100's on /. for months!

    I am guessing he was trying to masquerade as me to piss everyone off so I would be 'banned' here (not possible to do)...

    * It surprised me he's stop SO low actually!

    Still - even after it? I like the guy... why??

    Well - since he's enlightened me to things I had little clue on politically is why & financially (IMF etc.) beforehand.

    APK

    P.S.=> I've taken international flights BEFORE then (2010 into Europe for a summer touring it in Poland, parts of USSR, Czechoslovakia etc.) but IF he's right above? Who knows... but I doubt it - I wrote my program to HELP everyone & yes, law enforcement too (making their job easier by protecting others worldwide for free & it works) - who knows... I'm NOT THAT IMPORTANT though imo @ least... maybe he was just "f'ing" with me (hope so)... apk

  78. From a National Security Lawyer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately this is one of those issues where, rather than seeking information to demystify the government's behavior, many people cynically fall-back on something like, "we're all on a watchlist." We're all the weaker for it as a democracy.

    It may be the case we are all being "watched" in some way but that is not the same as being on a "watchlist." If everyone were on a "watchlist," there would be no need for a list. In reality, the government maintains many kinds of lists for many different purposes.

    If you file a Freedom of Information/Privacy Act request with an agency like the FBI, NSA, or CIA asking if you are on a watchlist, you will receive a form response stating they cannot confirm or deny either way for any person. The government will almost never acknowledge whether you have been placed in a database of some sort. Thus, most people find out they are listed only after they experience differential treatment that is characteristic of some of these lists, particularly those related to travel security. (I heard of an individual who learned they were on a watchlist because they attempted a legal name change and the required background check from the court disclosed (inadvertently?) that he was on the Terrorist Screening Database.)

    One of these lists is the Secondary Screening Security Selection list that some have alluded to. If you can't print your boarding passes online, can't check in at kiosks, or have an "SSSS" on your boarding pass, those are signs you are in that database. As a result, you will be subjected to extra scrutiny when traveling through airports. However, people who have received an SSSS undergo varying levels of scrutiny (not all are subjected to the same treatment), so there may be more nuances behind the scenes. Furthermore, sometimes your travel pattern will flag you and you will receive a one-time SSSS. For example, if you purchase a one-way ticket a very short time before your flight, that might trigger an SSSS for a single trip but not permanent placement on a list.

    People on this list can file a request for review under the Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (http://www.dhs.gov/dhs-trip). the review process is opaque. At the end, you will receive a notice that says something like, "If corrective action was necessary, it was taken," without confirming or denying whether you were on a list to begin with and whether you were subsequently removed. Reportedly, this process works best in cases of mistaken identity, ie, having a name similar to someone the government intended to list. You will receive a "redress number" that can be plugged in to future flight reservations. If it wasn't a mistaken identity issue, then the reviewing officer behind the curtain will have to determine whether you merit placement on the list. I'm not sure if there is information available about how many people are removed from a list after filing a TRIP complaint.

    Some people have stated that posting comments online with certain code words can trigger placement on a watchlist. Although that may be true down the line, it probably is not automatic. One of the main systems for these kind of incidents is a federal program called "Suspicious Activity Reporting," which goes by the marketing slogan, "see something, say something." Behind the posters, though, there is a network of ~80 "fusion centers" which are collaborations between federal, local, and state officials to share and analyze intelligence. An intelligence analyst at your local fusion center will review every Suspicious Activity Report and conduct any necessary evaluation/investigation. After reviewing, the analyst will decide whether to "nominate" the Suspicious Activity Report to the eGuardian database (one of the terrorism intelligence databases) and your name could be associated for years with suspicion of terrorist activity. The ACLU published many of these reports from California a few years ago and found they included things like "speaking excitedly in a foreign tongue" or taking photographs of dams, courthouses, and other

    1. Re:From a National Security Lawyer by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

      Best post on the thread. Probably too late to be properly modded up.

      There are some things I always think when I read threads like this. One is the American public's horror at surveillance is a kind of induction-from-introspection. They know themselves and what they might be tempted to do. They know how blase they are about The Lives Of Other People ( also the title of a great movie on just this subject and not a waste of your time should you make an effort to find it) . So they can infer what goes on.

      They also know some history both American and foreign and they know as one poster said, it all starts with lists.

      Another thing think influences their reaction is how they're treated by private entities, not the government. That might best be described as "extremely unfairly". In companies, at school, even in friendships, what is true and real, the actual facts of a matter rarely count for much. Instead, it's some kind of autocratic and often despotic process with some HR-type fig leaf thrown over it.

      Read the headlines about what corporations do to their employees, their customers, they government and then realize that this same corporate culture is the hand that feeds these Americans. Corporations aren't just places we go to work like restaurants are places we go to eat and theaters are places we go to see movies; they're more like pirate ships we are sworn to for a time and we continue to eat and live another day only at the captains pleasure. It's more like that.

      So of course they carry that despotic model of authority into their reasoning about terror watchlists and the like.
      How we are treated and how we treat each other in daily life has big implications for how we perceive the world around us, at least, barring an aggressive and sustained effort by an individual to eschew anything but well-founded facts when reasoning about, say, the government. A national security lawyer is going to fall into the later category, but most people never will.

      On top of all this, there does seem to be an out-of-control element to the CI behavior, a perception shared by many in the IC community itself BTW. The most obvious example is the parsing of the Fourth Amendment to mean you can collect everyone's "papers" but you haven't "searched" it until a human has peaked at it. That's the most charitable way to describe their legal viewpoint.

      Now clearly, their fears about terrorism are more specific, more graphic and more realistic and occupy more of their waking moments than non-CI population. It may be a matter of fact- it may be reality- that to protect the nation against a devastating and destabilizing terrorist attack, doing what they're doing is an obvious necessity. That may actually be the case. The problem is, just because the IC community has such a well developed map of the threat matrix, they are out of touch with the prevailing American's perception of how to deal with terrorism. That and of course they can't tell the public what they're doing, for obvious reasons.

      But it could also be that they are erring on a dangerous side of caution, and accidentally laying the foundation for a future, unusurpable fascism. This is nothing to dismiss.

      But in either case, the IC leadership are so out of sync with the public that even seasoned senators and members of the IC community itself are at odds with them. This and , quite frankly, they're massive liars. James Clappers bald-faced lying to Congress followed on by his bald-faced lying about why he lied to Congress (claiming he was forced to because they were in open session, which is a point blank, no-shades-of-gray lie for reasons I won't go into right now ) was a hugely damaging event to the nation. Trust in the IC community by large segments of people in this nation and other nations went to zero and has stayed there. And yet, he (with the blessings of the Obama administration) carries on, which itself is a kind of slap in the face to the American public.

      The paranoia and loathing expressed in this thread is not w

  79. Re:Deciding between Adolf and Osama for our neborn by davester666 · · Score: 1

    "Oh, this makes me so mad. I could just..."

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  80. Assume the opposite, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and figure out if you're not on a watchlist.

  81. I got a thorough audit from IRS by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... courtesy of the Democratic Party's paranoia of the Tea Party

    ... 'm a conservative who once checked out a Tea Party event, so the current administration is definitely notices that. The IRS started calling after I followed a tea party page on Facebook. Might be coincidence ...

    I'm sure my name pops up on several watchlists -

    First, I am from China, that was before I ran away from there and end up in US as a refugee

    After reaching US I studied, graduated with some fancy degrees and started my career in high tech fields

    I have been 'invited' for 'interviews' several times by 'security people', including FBI, concerning my investments, particularly those in businesses which has direct dealings with defense projects. They are also interested in my businesses abroad, especially branches in 'sensitive regions' such as Africa, Russia and China

    With all those 'interviews' getting no where, they finally, through IRS, awarded me with a thorough audit

    And oh, I forgot to add, when that too came up empty they tried to frame me by linking me to Chinese triad activities

    Can't fault them for trying so hard though ...

    After all, a minority (Chinese) like me supposed to support the Democratic Party. The problem is I refuse to buy into their bullshit and gave my support to the Tea Party instead

    I know how to play the game, after all, I survived the Culture Revolution, where even more brutal 'games' had occurred

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
    1. Re: I got a thorough audit from IRS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah... studied the cultural revolution quote a bit.

      All I can say is, 'thanks Mao'

      Oh, and gratz on surviving what was basically stalinism lite (not that it was easy, just that Mao copied lazily from Russia)

    2. Re: I got a thorough audit from IRS by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 1

      gratz on surviving what was basically stalinism lite

      The preferred term is "Atrocity with Chinese Characteristics".

  82. How to avoid it by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    The best way is to live in a democracy that cherishes freedom of speech and will protect your constitutional rights by not introducing laws that attempt to bypass them.

    --
    My ism, it's full of beliefs.
  83. Re:I always see "FBI Survalence Van" on my WIFI li by Kellamity · · Score: 1

    Aw man someone else is using my witty original wifi network name...

  84. Re:Deciding between Adolf and Osama for our neborn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All we need is a simple web interface where one can check potential names for the child whether they are on the check list - or are going to be when the child grows up?

  85. Lists are obsolete by Nehmo · · Score: 1
    As I understand the story of the start of Yahoo is that a couple of guys began making a favorite list sites they liked. This eventually grew into the search machine. It doesn't really use list per se. It searches through indexes and gives results.

    That's how I assume watchlists work. If the NSA wants people who like back-of-the-bus sex in Chicago, that's the combination they search for. The results could be called a "list" I suppose.

    --
    (||) Nehmo (||)
  86. Re:Deciding between Adolf and Osama for our neborn by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    Just pick a name of someone who's a big name in security and not likely to turn whistleblower-- like someone on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Then at least if you start getting harassed, you can presume they are too...

  87. Re:Deciding between Adolf and Osama for our neborn by bmimatt · · Score: 1

    You mean like the parents of Bobby Tables?

  88. flight list by bjoeg · · Score: 1

    On flights, the male cabin crew always give me special attention. I have a feeling I am on the list

    1. Re:flight list by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      or you are unusually handsome....

  89. Nothing like a good reaming. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Provided I don't miss my flight or get tortured, they can question me. I'd like the company to be honest. Trolling for years online doesn't really fulfil that space in my heart that human interaction does.

  90. let's all get on the list! by cwatts · · Score: 1

    What if all of us, and our friends, childrem, coworkers, etc. included some kind of inflammatory keywords in the subject or the body of every email we sent? This would have the immediate effect of 'lighting up the switchboard" at the NSA. While a few of us might get a call from the NSA, the vast majority of us could relax, knowing that whatever harmless activity we might actually be emailing about would be overlooked as the NSA investigates 20 billion emails that advocate "per to the hedonists" (it's an anagram- I'm not crazy!)

    You would want to be sure that you weren't the only one doing this though. We could probably get some russian spammers to help out... Now that's a headline I'd like to see- SPAMMERS SAVE THE INTERNET!

    This might actually work. It would sure be fun try it to see what happens. Who's in?

    --
    chris watts íë¦ìS ì(TM)ì
  91. Your Now Watched Because You Clicked On This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your Now Watched Because You Clicked On This

  92. Thats easy have you recently been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bent over backwards and given a good reaming beyond the one you normally get every day because your an amercian citizen and are not currently in Jail?

    Then your on a watch list !

  93. Welll... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suspect I probably am. Being the holder of FAA, FCC, and firearms licenses one would assume I'm on a watchlist to begin with. Also, I've got an application on file for an organization that requires FBI approval and it's taking weeks longer than others of my friends that were going through the same process at the same time (out of the handful of us, all but 2 were approved in just a couple weeks. The remaining 2 of us are in the months now)... Coincidence, perhaps, but it does make one wonder if they have to clear it with some watchlists via some slow inter-agency process...

  94. Weapons and all that by niks42 · · Score: 1

    I've been searching for years to learn more about the weapons I use in online games. It's a particular fascination. Of course possessing such weapons in my country is illegal with many years of time in jail as a punishment. I can imagine that I am on a few watchlists for that alone. Add to that an intense interest in electronics and computers. There is no hope for me.

  95. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope. Not me. But remember the NSA spies on everyone so yes, and so do foreign intelligence agencies. Its easy to see much of it if you are watchful. But no, I never was put on a watch list, I'm sure of that. I do have friends who are paranoid and overthink things.... if you are on a watch list you would know right away. Its a whole different realm from the normal spying.

  96. Tinfoil hat by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    I'm putting mine on before even reading any comments.

    --
    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  97. Impossible. Too many secret lists by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    There are so many watch lists with such ridiculous and arbitrary criteria that it's impossible to tell which ones or how many you are on.
    Trying to board an airplane would tell you if you are on the "No Fly" list of course. If you're allowed to board but often get singled out for extra scrutiny, you might be on the terrorism watch list.
    When you try to buy a gun, you'll find out if you're on a list of "prohibited persons", but that's not exactly a "watch list". Usually that check happens in a few minutes, but the feds can impose a 72 hour delay. They will claim it's due to high volume or that your personal info is similar to that of some prohibited person, but getting singled out makes me very suspicious that I'm on some list which causes them to subject me to extra scrutiny.
    Thanks to the government's network of "fusion centers", any state, local and federal authorities can file a "suspicious activity" report about you, even if you've committed no crime (never give them your ID unless you are required by law to do so). Ever heard those PSAs "If you see something, say something."? That 1-800 # (rat-on-your-neighbors hotline) probably gets you on the same list.

    I'd say that if you've ever engaged in any sort of political activism, especially libertarian causes, but also environmentalism, pacifism, drug legalization or digital privacy, you're probably on a list. If you visit a mosque or have an Arab-sounding name, assume you're on a list. Basically, there's no other logical course of action than to assume you're on a list and that all of your actions and communications are being constantly monitored.

  98. Re:Deciding between Adolf and Osama for our neborn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No-talent ass-clown?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7DdyChR8JU

  99. Too late... by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    you guys realize that reading this puts you on the list, right? Or not reading it, just because you thought about it and decided not to.

  100. My professor told me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Story time.

    I took a math course at one of the top STEM schools in my country.

    The professor is well known in the field, and his first words to us were:

    "Hello, welcome to Applied Cryptography. Congratulations you are all on an NSA watchlist!"

  101. In the UK, here's how you can tell... by daveewart · · Score: 1

    In the UK, the Theresa May Bot will tell you your threat level by putting you in the appropriate list: https://twitter.com/theresamay...

    I'm 'Deviant Level 3', a fact which I was _thrilled_ to discover ;-)

    --
    "If you think the problem is bad now, just wait until we've solved it." --- Arthur Kasspe
  102. Re:Blue gloves by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    I just had to sit in a room for 5 minutes and then answer some inane questions, and I was on my way, rectum unscathed.

    Better luck next time!

    --
    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  103. Everybody is suspect by stooo · · Score: 1

    Everybody is suspect.
    Deal with it.

    --
    aaaaaaa
  104. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update it?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!

    Guess what?

    Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Continued in #2/5... apk

  105. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    See just above!

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It still works there!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/5... apk

  106. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  107. If...., you might be on a watchlist by TVDinner · · Score: 1

    If you get routine free anal exams from the TSA, you might be on a watchlist.

    If your state troopers know you by your first name, you might be on a watchlist.

    If you see men wearing dark sunglasses staring in your windows, you might be on a watchlist.

    If the bank tellers always call someone on the phone everytime you go into the bank, you might be on a watchlist.

    If you PC camera turns on by itself all the time, you might be on a watchlist.

  108. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).

    "APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).

    There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.

    What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.

    You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!

    All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.

    It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.

    "it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)

    (& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)

    I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk

  109. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  110. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    quote> "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update it?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!

    Guess what?

    Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    APK

    P.S.=> Continued in #2/5... apk

  111. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    See just above!

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It still works there!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/5... apk

  112. EMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Start project and build good size EMP device, make sure that it has a good output..

  113. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  114. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).

    "APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).

    There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.

    What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.

    You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!

    All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.

    It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.

    "it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)

    (& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)

    I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk

  115. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  116. Re:Deciding between Adolf and Osama for our neborn by flopsquad · · Score: 1

    +1 funny xkcd ref

    --
    Nothing posted to /. has ever been legal advice, including this.
  117. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).

    "APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).

    There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.

    What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.

    You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!

    All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.

    It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.

    "it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)

    (& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)

    I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk

  118. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  119. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update it?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!

    Guess what?

    Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Continued in #2/5... apk

  120. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    See just above!

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It still works there!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/5... apk

  121. Fuck NSA! Fuck GCHQ! Fuck all you creeps! by ememisya · · Score: 1

    You're all on a list now. You're welcome.

  122. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk

  123. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).

    "APK ... uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).

    There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & those? Aren't them in your mistake accusations.

    What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.

    You're MCSE, networking admin 'god', & security guru (not) - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!

    All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.

    It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.

    "it's funny how little you know of security APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)

    Funny how little you know in computing (no code, especially for security - I have it. You don't)

    (& you're stumped on an anti-troll technique I use too!)

    I've long ago done far more than you will or have in the art & science of computing! For security?

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... & MILLIONS use it.

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk

  124. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  125. Terrorist!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't ask us for help, you terrorist you.

  126. online purchases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose just ordering a shit-ton of small limit switches and a few mercury switches from Amazon probably didn't exactly help matters...

  127. found out during pre-employment screening ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked a few IT contracts for foreign military (our allies though, NOT the Libyans or Russkies). Got a job with a financial-services company who did 14-year background check with the FBI (fingerprints too). The government said, "not just no but HELL NO".

    Actually, I'm a patriot. I would NEVER trade my country or my liberty for a million dollars. Not even for a bazillion dollars!!!
    No way, Jose'!!!
    I have facial hair and was educated in Europe. TSA already thinks I AM 'Alfred Kaboom Kay'duh'.
    Just step behind the screen for your pat-down, 'kay? ;)

  128. too many in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given the number of them in Canada, it is hard for any other community to claim the distinction.

  129. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update it?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!

    Guess what?

    Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Continued in #2/4... apk

  130. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    See just above!

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It still works there!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/4... apk

  131. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/4... apk

  132. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  133. Experience Protesting the TSA by cupcakewalk · · Score: 1

    I'm the guy who stripped during a TSA screening in 2012 at Portland Airport. I've had no trouble flying since then. Maybe it's because I took action against them them directly. Here's a link to the slashdot story back then: http://idle.slashdot.org/story... Story update, for those who are interested: I was quickly acquitted on the criminal charges of indecent exposure. The judge said, "What else would it be (other than protest)?" to the DA who had no case. The civil case, which the TSA took 2.5 years to decide, continues. I'm appealing their decision that I "interfered with the screening process" to the 9th Circuit Court. I've learned a lot during this process, but that's another story. More info: http://www.nakedamericanhero.c...

    --
    -J
  134. grurhack by beckguru2 · · Score: 1

    If you need to check on your partner's sincerity, track there movement, employee's honesty, recover your email passwords, Social networks, change your school grades gain access to any website. contact VIKTOR via matrixhackka007@gmail.com he helped me find out that I was dating a married man and it broke my heart. he was very helpful.

  135. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts update (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update it?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!

    Guess what?

    Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

  136. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Stupid, neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    See just above!

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It still works there!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/4... apk

  137. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap fraud also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/4... apk

  138. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#4 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk

  139. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update it?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do its job fully like many security tools!

    Guess what?

    Don't NEED to run my program as ADMIN - I do it here manually vs. auto.

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Users set it, not programmatic impersonation for autoupdate. You design zero & say what's what here?

    ---

    "90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Continued in #2/4... apk

  140. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Stupid, neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven & no one proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins.

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    See just above!

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It still works there - who are you trying to fool other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #3/4... apk

  141. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/4... apk

  142. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/4... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts & your signatures about me does the rest. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?

    "I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    I've shown /.'ers say differently by their quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.

    "posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)

    No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!

    "I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)

    BS - See my last 4 posts here!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    You PROVE I AM FOR ME part #1-#4 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk