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Microsoft Will Resume Pushing Windows 10 To Machines With Win7, 8.1 (computerworld.com)
LichtSpektren writes: After previously apologizing on October 16th for forcing Windows 10 on some users of Windows 7 and 8.1 via the Windows Update mechanism, Microsoft disabled the default update option for Windows 10, so that users eligible for the new OS would have to opt in manually. Gregg Keizer at ComputerWorld reports today that Microsoft will soon switch the default option back to "on" again, possibly as early as tomorrow's "Patch Tuesday" update. Users who do not want Windows 10 are strongly advised to turn off automatic updating to avoid accidentally installing the OS.
I may just block all MS IPs in my router. I have software that won't work with Win10.
Seems to be the modern business slogan.
But I'm glad Microsoft is shedding legacy so aggressively. There's no way the OS will install itself automatically. It'll merely be downloaded to your machine (or machines). Install it if you want to, or don't, you still have choice.
Looks like Bill gates finally took Steve Jobs' advice and dropped some acid...
I was contemplating upgrading recently. And I don't see any reason NOT to. System requirements are the same as 7 and 8.1.
Any reason I should stop MS from upgrading me?
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Windows 7 is working perfectly fine on the computer I use to play Civilization, and the computers the kids use for school work. I have ZERO interest in Windows 10. What part of "Fuck off and die" does Microsoft not understand?
Glad my Linux machine doesn't try to automatically upgrade me to the next distro version.
He who laughs last is at 300 baud.
So is Microsoft watching everything I type, listening in on everything, and recording every web site even if on Chrome or Chrome incognito?
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Add this to your registry and the Windows 10 update will go away...
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001
Visit the Arcade Restoration Workshop @ http://www.arcaderestoration.com
They are hocking their latest fair onto machines that are better off with the older operating system. Windows 10 doesn't offer any more functionality than windows 7 or 8.1. I don't need some crappy talking clippy to search for things for me. I don't need it, period.
"Accidentally installing the OS." Now there's a computer problem that nobody would've predicted!
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
... when you click-through the sixteen page license agreement presented to you in 3 pt font in dark grey text on light grey background, some three years ago when you installed Win7. Right there on page fourteen, paragraph 4, sub paragraph 2, it said you agreed that the licensee (that's you) permits unscheduled, unannounced, update to the computer by the vendor, at vendor's sole discretion, with no recourse.
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
Sorry, you're mistaken. Read the comments on Ars Technica for the previous article: once the Windows 10 update was accidentally downloaded, it couldn't be stopped, only rescheduled. Some users had to go through the full update and then do the full regression back to Windows 7.
... how much of that is enforceable and will hold up in court?
The more appropriate question would be: how much money is available to pay for the required legal professionals' services to uphold it (or successfully contest it). Which is normally more than the average middle-class citizen can muster, especially compared to Microsoft's available funds.
The unfortunate reality is that the EULA by default stands until questioned, a court will not do that by its own volition and for free. Someone has to pay for that.
My coworker left automatic updates on her computer (Windows 7 Professional). She left for the weekend Friday. Came back Monday and Windows 10 was installed.
I have also read some comments on Ars Technica's article that some users could not find any way to interrupt the installation, only hard reboot, or wait for the full installation to finish and then regress back to 7.
Yep. That's where I was. I simply let it go and then tested my apps. Everything seems to still work but there wasn't a clean way to prevent the upgrade. I'm still checking some of the third tier apps I use (don't run very often but want to check) and can just reinstall Windows 7 if I find something horribly bad (yes, I have regular backups as well).
[John]
Shit better not happen!
And also, my bandwidth not yours. Which is not uncapped or particularly cheap where I am at.
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
I have an old Dell Pentium 4 laptop that's currently running Windows XP that I don't have anything important on; suggestions for a decent distro to put on it? Should also be good for a multi-core desktop, later on I need to build a replacement for the 10+ year old AMD Athlon 64-based desktop I have that's also still running XP.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
It's a simple enough question, and one for which I haven't yet seen any answer. Why? What is it in Windows 10 that makes it so desirable for _Microsoft_ to _give away_?
Remember, if you are not paying for a service, it is because you are the _product_.
By the time a case makes it to court, the damage is done. Your computer is "upgraded", Windows telemetry knows everything that is on your machine, and all your secrets are public. Not to mention, that half of your software no longer works, because of compatibility issues.
It gets harder and harder for me to understand why so many people stay on Microsoft operating systems.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
Yep. That's where I was. I simply let it go and then tested my apps. Everything seems to still work but there wasn't a clean way to prevent the upgrade. I'm still checking some of the third tier apps I use (don't run very often but want to check) and can just reinstall Windows 7 if I find something horribly bad (yes, I have regular backups as well).
[John]
See here: http://www.howtogeek.com/22072...
I've been through the upgrade process twice now. I also have a PC that Microsoft was pestering me for a long time to upgrade. It's simply not true that you can go ahead and install Windows 10 without user intervention. (Additionally, how do you "accidentally download" something that's already downloaded? That's a major complaint most of us have about GWX, it downloads Windows 10 without asking us, filling up around 5Gb of our disks.)
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
... and the binding arbitration clause that's now present in millions of EULA?
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
I run a laboratory. The control software and the equipment are only rated for Windows 7. I have had to be vigilant about this because an upgrade would screw up $400,000 worth of analytical equipment. I now have to run updates manually and review each one. I wish they'd understand that sometimes you just can't upgrade.
How appropriate.
By the time a case makes it to court, the damage is done. Your computer is "upgraded", Windows telemetry knows everything that is on your machine, and all your secrets are public. Not to mention, that half of your software no longer works, because of compatibility issues.
Good! At that point, you've had years to document and rack up damages to your person or business because of an upgrade you didn't want that caused all sorts of problems for software you paid for that is no longer working, all being driven down during a time when Microsoft still fully supports Windows 7.
It gets harder and harder for me to understand why so many people stay on Microsoft operating systems.
If you think that user base is stubborn, let me tell you about a little company called Oracle...
You're mistaken. My coworker came back from the weekend (this was in September I think) and found her Windows 7 Pro machine to have Windows 10 on it.
NOW can we put the "Bill as Borg" icon back for Microsoft, Dice?
Well when the judge get's free Xboxes for his kids he may look MS way
AC has often lied to us - but, if this is true, I love it!
"I have students every day saying they want macs and even a few who are big fans of linux."
Push them, man. Teach them some critical thinking. Get all of your students to question authority. WTF has happened to us? We, as a nation, have just come to accept corporate brain washing?
PUSH THEM!
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
Like the sibling, I would go with "Someone did this for them". The installation process asks questions throughout the install, before, during, and after. You cannot proceed with the install without answering the questions.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Right, somebody broke into our locked office building just to maliciously update our OSes? It happened on her computer because her updates were set to "Install updated automatically (recommended)". Perhaps your settings are different. But lots of users have reported Windows 10 installing without any user interaction whatsoever.
No, you can't. Windows bypasses its hosts file when contacting Microsoft domains hardcoded into the OS. You have to block the domains from the router (or maybe a third-party firewall would do the trick).
Like the sibling, I would go with "Someone did this for them". The installation process asks questions throughout the install, before, during, and after. You cannot proceed with the install without answering the questions.
I'm not sure what else to tell you. Maybe eventually somebody will make a recording of Windows 10 installing itself, but until then, your assurances fly in the face of my experience, and the reports of several people.
Like the sibling, I would go with "Someone did this for them". The installation process asks questions throughout the install, before, during, and after. You cannot proceed with the install without answering the questions.
I'm not sure what else to tell you. Maybe eventually somebody will make a recording of Windows 10 installing itself, but until then, your assurances fly in the face of my experience, and the reports of several people.
Addendum: do you realize that Microsoft admitted that this was occurring two months ago?
I'm out $30 due to cap overages because it kept screwing up the download process.
Wow..that was some bad English. I tried to write Microsoft should pay for any ISP overages caused by the downloads.
"Your" experience is second hand, and appears to be someone playing a practical joke upon a co-worker. The "reports of several people" seems dubious too.
I have my own direct experience of how the install works, I've done it twice. Given actual, first hand, experience of three machines - two installed, one not - given the fact millions of people would be protesting if there had ever been a period whereby Windows 10 "installed itself" without bringing up a single cancellable dialog, and given the severe legal situation Microsoft would be in if it ever tried to pull this stunt, I would seriously advice you to locate the practical joker in your office.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
"Your" experience is second hand, and appears to be someone playing a practical joke upon a co-worker. The "reports of several people" seems dubious too.
I have my own direct experience of how the install works, I've done it twice. Given actual, first hand, experience of three machines - two installed, one not - given the fact millions of people would be protesting if there had ever been a period whereby Windows 10 "installed itself" without bringing up a single cancellable dialog, and given the severe legal situation Microsoft would be in if it ever tried to pull this stunt, I would seriously advice you to locate the practical joker in your office.
Oh, like the severe legal situation Microsoft would be in if they downloaded 12 GB (or however much it is) without asking the user? Or sending their personal information to 100+ domains without the ability to turn it off? Yeah, they admitted they were doing this and that too.
But keep telling yourself that there is a ghost that is floating to peoples' computers and maliciously installing operating systems on them. Microsoft already apologized two months ago for doing what you're denying is occurring.
Yes, there is a very big downside to upgrading for certain license owners. Anyone who owns a retail license or Win7 or Win8.x and upgrades now only owns an OEM license for Win10. This has important ramifications. The retail license owners are not tied to a particular motherboard, and can upgrade their system hardware and reinstall their operating system. OEM licenses are tied directly to your motherboard. If you motherboard fails or you upgrade, you need to buy a new OEM license.
We were all warned a long time ago that MS products sucked, remember the Magic 8 Ball said, "Outlook not so good"
Your computers will be assimilated. Resistence is futile. All your computers will be made to service us.
One very important thing for me is a Ceton CableCard Tuner I have to record shows with Media Center.. Media Center was originally in Windows 10 Preview then they intentionally removed it.. and then they disabled Netflix from working in older versions of MediaCenter... Microsoft is working with comcast to restrict home users ability to record TV Content over Cable and Antenna.. Comcast and Cox have already started converting their Set Top Boxes to IP based streaming boxes which will not allow you to locally record tv content... The FCC and many cases along the way say we have the right to record TV Content for our own use and Archive but now with Microsoft doing away with DVD support and Media Center.. we no longer have that ability.. Its going to be like trying to capture a Hulu.com TV show.. it will be close to impossible if not impossible within 5 years.. this is blatant collusion and criminal activity to require people who pay for content either on Cable or Antenna by watching commercials to stream any rerun or later viewing of a show from a service like netflix hulu or comcasts own streaming service instead of letting the User record content as has been legal since the VCR.. Today it is now illegal to transfer content from DVDs to your computer in England and other European countries.. they want us to pay them for every viewing of every show even if its a 10 year old rerun of friends.. and if you haven't noticed there are no new good shows being produced... Comcast is not only a distributor of content.. they own TV Networks and Movie Studios and Microsoft has had a relationship with them since Gates invested a billion dollars in them back in the 1990's .... Its corrupt... most likely criminal.. and definitely evil
and can just reinstall Windows 7 if I find something horribly bad (yes, I have regular backups as well).
[John]
Yeah - "Just"
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Seriously, it is kind of a cool anecdote, because it shows how a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You basically didn't stop to think: Hey, is this fair? Is this a fair comparison?. Of course, it isn't. Not at all. Allow me to elaborate.
A professional installed and configured a customized version of Windows on your system (Maybe you didn't know that an engineering team configured a custom version of Windows with all the right drivers, etc?.) Then an amateur tried to installed and configure Linux, and not surprisingly was unsuccessful (thus the WiFi and video "problems", and inability to run your Windows applications with WINE/Codeweaver Crossover.) It boggles the mind that you think that could pass as a fair comparison. True, there are some Windows applications that won't work with Crossover, but it is highly unlikely you use those, or you never would have made the switch (e.g. You' would already know Photoshop and AutoCAD aren't available for Linux.)
My assumption is that you are a troll (who else would claim that 99% of your software won't work if you use Linux?), but maybe I'm wrong, and even if I'm not at least other people can learn a little something (like the existence of Crossover) as a consequence of your post now, whereas there was absolutely nothing to learn from yours directly, and a significant danger someone would get a tingle in their confirmation bias gland.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Man, this is going to have a lot of unintentionally surprising effects. In my own software shop, we're definitely testing new versions in a Windows 10 environment, but any number of users are (for perfectly good reason) using old releases. I don't know of any reason our older releases *won't* run on 10, but it's completely untested ...
Inbthe corporate world it's because they have millions of dollars tied up in Microsoft software. In the consumer world it's because the alternatives are more expensive (Apple) or don't support all your software and hardware (any of the free Unixes). You think there wouldn't have been a mass exodus away from Windows if the alternatives did what users wanted.
The blunder is already that they force a download of multiple gigabytes onto the users. Some of us are on metered links, especially when using any kind of wireless internet connection via a cell phone provider. 3.something gigabytes is pretty much what some users may use per month, simply because they chose their plan according to their needs. Not Microsoft's!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Yes, because Judge's don't really make that much, so $350 to $1000 dollars worth of commodity hardware is more than enough to sway them in the direction of risking their reputation, career, and jail time.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Right, somebody broke into our locked office building just to maliciously update our OSes? It happened on her computer because her updates were set to "Install updated automatically (recommended)". Perhaps your settings are different. But lots of users have reported Windows 10 installing without any user interaction whatsoever.
Fuggidaboudit! These shills wil just continut to deny reality until you give up. They'll tell you that Microsoft does nothing of th sort, that You don't have to opt out of their key logger, and there isn't even a keyloggewr, and besides, they won't use the kelogger that they dont have that you don't have to opt out of.
Microsoft has been doing you have no choice updates since Windows 8 days, even though they haven't, and even if they id it must have been me in a trance or the neighbor breaking into th ehouse and figuring out our passwords and telling it to update.
Shills? It's really time for you to come up with better lies. The old ones are sounding a little pathetic these days.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Like the sibling, I would go with "Someone did this for them". The installation process asks questions throughout the install, before, during, and after. You cannot proceed with the install without answering the questions.
Absolutely. I found one of the neighbors in my house, who got past the security systems, deduced my passphrase, booted my computer and installed Windows 10.
Sounds legit!
So shill, why are you calling all of these people liars?
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
While I am Sold to the Win10 new ways* , I understand why some other people (minority or not, but VERY vocal) are opposed to it. So it is NOT NICE from Microsoft to push so hard for Win10.
Had they had a gentler touch from the beginning, we wouldn't see all this pushback, and all this cottage industry of tips and tricks and apps to disable the upgrade...
You harvest the tempests you sowed...
*full disclosure, my main machines are macs, some legacy win laptops and all my bootcamp partitions are going to Win10*
*** Suerte a todos y Feliz dia!
It's the old "how to disable cookies in Firefox (was it, I think?)" trick again.
MS tries to create a folder called C:\$windows.~BT to download its installer files into. Create a file by that name and, well, no way to create a folder by that name or dump the files somewhere. Installer croaks, aborts download, bullet dodged.
Of course MS will eventually catch on and close that loophole, but it should be good to let us survive another patch day.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I'm not sure what else to tell you. Maybe eventually somebody will make a recording of Windows 10 installing itself, but until then, your assurances fly in the face of my experience, and the reports of several people.
Addendum: do you realize that Microsoft admitted that this was occurring two months ago?
He probably deny's all of the "features" of W10, like the keylogger, the password sharing, and phoning home with things you told them not to after having to opt out of them eh, squiggleslash?
It gets pretty freaky when people tell you you did not see something you saw, or experienced something you experienced. And continue to do so even when proven wrong, as noted by the very company they are shilling for. Kind of like trying to force cognitive dissonance on you.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Apple sucks in the rollback department for iOS. You install the 'latest and greatest' on your phone, find your phone runs slower... guess what, you can't rollback.
True, there are some Windows applications that won't work with Crossover, but it is highly unlikely you use those, or you never would have made the switch
In other words, "Get a Mac already." Because a lot of the popular stuff known not to work in Wine is also available native for OS X, such as Photoshop and iTunes Store.
Which *BSD or Linux monetizes the users' personal information by sending it to 100+ domains?
Perhaps not 100, but anyone who can remember the Ubuntu Unity Amazon shopping lens and related controversies knows that the GNU/Linux market is not entirely free of privacy intrusions.
This morning when I logged in, I got a dialog "Upgrade Now" or "Download Now" but it had the X button to close the dialog so I did.
I'm sure when I come to visit on Christmas, my mother will have windows 10 ("but it didn't give me a choice!")
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
It's nowhere near 12Gb, but yes, there's a world of difference between using up more disk space and actually replacing their current relatively light weight operating system that runs the applications they have installed with one likely to fail at many applications that requires oodles more memory. In other words, rendering many, many, computers unusable for the purpose with which they're used.
That's your position, not mine, except you've called the Ghost Microsoft. I have no idea who installed Windows 10 on your co-workers PC, but I know that someone did and you've decided - rather than using Occam's Razor - to instead blame Microsoft because Microsoft sucks, right?
You don't seem to be bothered with the facts here. You've apparently never installed Windows 10, and thus are blissfully unaware that it asks questions before it starts installing.
I have run it. I actually know what I'm talking about. Between the legal situation and actual experience, I know your interpretation of events is utterly absurd.
I'll await that video, thanks. Just an FYI: it'll never come.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Inbthe corporate world it's because they have millions of dollars tied up in Microsoft software
More likely it is because of stuff like:
- Software (you got that one)
- Group policy
- Built-in deployment tools
- Built-in administration tools
- Wizard configurations that make it almost brain-dead easy to set up complex systems (Exchange, IIS, SQL, etc)
In the consumer world it's because the alternatives are more expensive (Apple) or don't support all your software and hardware (any of the free Unixes).
You pretty much nailed it here, except I would also include PC gaming as a big driver for consumer use of Windows (Xbox is Windows after all).
In addition, Windows is pretty easy to use and stuff Just Works for the most part.
Basically, on the consumer side, if stuff works well enough to do what you want then who really cares about a little telemetry going back to the mother ship? Especially if it is only used to make your experience better and improve the product.
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
Also add the bricking reports on reddit to the unasked update reports on Arstechnica.
You can't revert if the update kills your computer. Some people have had to reinstall from media (couldn't use the on disk backup partition).
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Button said, "Download now and install later". What they meant was "Download now and install when it's done downloading".
Microsoft is working with comcast to restrict home users ability to record TV Content over Cable and Antenna.
That's not really even Microsoft. That's the CableCard standard (record/copy flags). And it's the only reason why Windows was able to implement CableCard compatibility. This is why I only watch/record Broadcast TV, which I can get via antenna unencrypted and unencumbered and record with MythTV.
Comcast and Cox have already started converting their Set Top Boxes to IP based streaming boxes
And this is because cable companies thought even CableCard was too permissive... And this was the only exemption the FCC really approved to the CableCard requirement.
Today it is now illegal to transfer content from DVDs to your computer in England and other European countries.
And in the US. It's called the DMCA.
Our company vpn runs a virus scan on my home computer before letting me log in through vpn. If auto updates to the OS are disabled, or if I don't have one of the approved anti-virus product installed, or if the firewall is not on, it would not let me use vpn. So turning off auto update is not an option. If the vpn still works after this forced update, I will use the desktop only for VPN. Everything else is on my chromebook anyway
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
No, in other words use Linux, save $1000 bucks, and avoid vendor lock-in. If you are one of the very few people who need* Photoshop or another application available for OS X but not Linux, then sure, get a Mac. For the other 99% of the population Linux is awesome, if installed and configured by a competent Linux professional.
* Most people who "need" photoshop don't really need it. They just don't want to deal with the learning curve for a new tool, such as The GIMP. The only people who need it are those doing press work that requires CMYK, etc.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
There seems to be a great deal of assumption in your post. Mostly that the person installing linux is incompetent and the windows machine was installed by some highly trained tech. Both assumptions that may or may not be correct.
I've been around this stuff since the days of slackware 1.0. I've enjoyed the days of Windows 3.0 when it was usually faster to just do something at a command line than it was to start up that turd. I've been through KDE, GNOME, Enlightenment and various other window managers. I'm currently a Mac person simply because when I finally got into it a few years ago my reaction was "This is what I've been trying to get linux to be for years!!!".
Do I curse at windows? Yes
Do I curse at linux? Yes
Do I curse at my Mac? Yes
Each of them has their pain points. But trying to argue that linux is perfectly suitable replacement for windows is asinine. And quite frankly ignorant. There are still many rough edges to the linux world that the majority of users simply don't have the time or expertise to put up with.
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Who do you work for? Apple? Google? Just curious, you seem to be very keen on calling me a "shill" despite my history of (usually modded down) criticism of Windows 10, some of which is even in the message this posted. Yes, I'm sure I'm being paid by Microsoft for posting that Windows 10 is shitty, bug ridden, and unresponsive, in virtually every thread where it's relevant. Hey, Microsoft, where's my fucking cash? Did you give it to Ol Olsoc? If so, can you tell him to give me my money?
I haven't called anyone a liar yet, but I'm getting close. The responses I'm getting to my original comment are simply impossible: as I've said, I've actually run the installer twice. It asks questions before installation. There's no way in hell to get around that. The questions are asked. The installer waits.
So whatever it is that supposedly happened to those claiming Windows 10 installed all by themselves, it wasn't anything to do with the standard GWX installer. Maybe it was people yessing dialog boxes to death and then claiming "It installed all by itself" once they realized that, oops, maybe they shouldn't have. Or, as I said, perhaps some jerk in the same office was playing a practical joke.
Or yeah, maybe Microsoft released two versions of the installer, a special superdooper automated one that actually controls the mouse and has it click its own buttons that is installed only on, like, ten machines out there, and a different one for every other Windows user in the world.
Because that conspiracy theory makes way more sense than "A user fucked up or had a joke played on them."
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I'm stuck supporting Windows and/or Mac because my wife's photography business cannot function well without Adobe Creative Suite.
And please, don't bother saying Gimp or Darktable. I won't bother explaining this choice; the factors are extensively discussed elsewhere.
Microsoft's claimed their previous attempt at forcing Win10 updates by converting it from an 'Optional' to 'Recommended' update was an accident. With this latest news that obviously was a lie. Microsoft did that as a trial balloon. Looks like that balloon has landed.
thus the WiFi and video "problems"
The reason for wifi problems in Linux was due to there being no open source drivers for so many wireless chips. The only way to make them work is to run the Windows drivers via NDISWrapper. A skilled professional is going to have a long road ahead of them to fix that in Linux.
I have made Zero assumptions. You don't seem to understand that when you buy a PC from the store, the image on the hard drive is a custom image. Engineers for ASUS, Lenovo, HP, et. al. create them in house. This isn't an assumption. It is a fact. Now, on to the other proveable fact that you mistook as an assumption. It is a fact that this person was not qualified to install and configure Linux on a professional level. This is evidenced by his WiFi and Video issues. I have been installing various Linux distributions for more than a decade, on hundreds of machines. I can assure you that there are solutions to the problems but they sometimes require some knowledge and skill with Linux. Also, the OP openly stated that "he finally .... tried Linux". I don't care if he designed his own 2048 Core C/GPU and wrote an OS for it to run his custom neural network. That still means he is not competent with Linux, as his own testimony confirms.
I didn't read the rest of your post. When someone gets things that far wrong out of the gate, I abandon all hope that things are going to get better from there.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Well I do have a CentOS 7 disk in addition to the Windows disk. Since I do game (Rocksmith), I am somewhat limited in my options; Microsoft, Apple, or Sony. At least as far as gaming is concerned.
I am right on the cusp of playing guitar without using the Windows partition but I still pop in now and then.
On the plus side, the flakiness of Firefox in Windows 10 is about the same level of flakiness of Firefox in CentOS (the nVidia drivers in both places I imagine) so other than Rocksmith and Carmageddon, using one or the other just depends on which one I select on boot.
[John]
Shit better not happen!
The only good reason to enable Windows updates was to receive security fixes. Now that Microsoft is pushing spying malware to machines the lesser of the two evils is to accept not receiving any updates.
Logically, if you get tricked into downloading a thing, you are now an Original Equipment Manufacturer. This is simple, people, come on.
I have KB3035583 uninstalled and hidden, which is the systray spammer and download tool for Win 10. As far as anyone knows, will this be enough to keep Win 10 from trying to sneak into my machine?
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Unfortunately, I still have two uses for Windows:
1. Games. Yes, many of these can be played on Linux now, but the drivers are still shit, and take a performance hit universally over what you get on Windows.
2. Windows Media Center. It's one of the few things Microsoft actually did well, so they had to kill it. Unfortunately, it's the only DVR software I can use with Time Warner, because Time Warner are asshats and abuse the shit out of the 'CopyOnce' CCI flag, so everything that legally can be encrypted, is.
If there was a solution for #2 that didn't include some snarky "just stop watching TV" horseshit, I'd live with the performance gap of #1 just to be done with Microsoft.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
It's the cable co's comcast is the most evil one.
They have high rent fees that are about $9-$15+ for each box.
Cable cards can cost $6-$10 outlet -$2.50 for using your own hardware + $1.50-$2.50 card rent.
They turned off CLEAR QAM when other still have it on.
also the poorest HD line up. overbuilds and small systems have more HD.
By the time a case makes it to court, the damage is done. Your computer is "upgraded", Windows telemetry knows everything that is on your machine, and all your secrets are public. Not to mention, that half of your software no longer works, because of compatibility issues.
It gets harder and harder for me to understand why so many people stay on Microsoft operating systems.
No. This change is resuming the push of the OS to your system. Approximately 3 GB. It *does not* automatically execute the update.
You're mistaken. My coworker came back from the weekend (this was in September I think) and found her Windows 7 Pro machine to have Windows 10 on it.
Why did your company not install the Windows 10 blocker? We pushed this to every machine, 125k end user pc's before the upgrades started happening. Also most Business PC's are not eligible for the upgrade per your corporate licensing so these companies should be taking action to prevent the upgrades.
Right, somebody broke into our locked office building just to maliciously update our OSes? It happened on her computer because her updates were set to "Install updated automatically (recommended)". Perhaps your settings are different. But lots of users have reported Windows 10 installing without any user interaction whatsoever.
The more likely story is this. User thought it would be cool to upgrade and after it was complete realized many of your internal applications didn't run with the latest IE or web browser. So instead of admitting it they claim it automatically upgraded. 17 years in IT says they lied.
Incorrect. You absolutley have made assumptions. Starting with the idea that the computer with windows was factory installed.
Again, quite possibly a correct assumption.
You're complete disregard of the rest of my post is pointless. The fact is, linux can be be a bitch and is not suited for everyone. Period.
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"Your" experience is second hand, and appears to be someone playing a practical joke upon a co-worker. The "reports of several people" seems dubious too.
I have my own direct experience of how the install works, I've done it twice. Given actual, first hand, experience of three machines - two installed, one not - given the fact millions of people would be protesting if there had ever been a period whereby Windows 10 "installed itself" without bringing up a single cancellable dialog, and given the severe legal situation Microsoft would be in if it ever tried to pull this stunt, I would seriously advice you to locate the practical joker in your office.
Oh, like the severe legal situation Microsoft would be in if they downloaded 12 GB (or however much it is) without asking the user? Or sending their personal information to 100+ domains without the ability to turn it off? Yeah, they admitted they were doing this and that too. But keep telling yourself that there is a ghost that is floating to peoples' computers and maliciously installing operating systems on them. Microsoft already apologized two months ago for doing what you're denying is occurring.
3GB.
Like the sibling, I would go with "Someone did this for them". The installation process asks questions throughout the install, before, during, and after. You cannot proceed with the install without answering the questions.
Absolutely. I found one of the neighbors in my house, who got past the security systems, deduced my passphrase, booted my computer and installed Windows 10.
Sounds legit!
So shill, why are you calling all of these people liars?
People fib all the time once they realize they made a poor decision. Maybe they were drunk? Not paying attention. How do you think Malware walks by people so easily? You're really giving people more credit than they deserve.
So do this:
1. Reschedule for "later"
2. Delete the C:\$Windows.~BT folder and all of it's contents
3. Create a file at C:\$Windows.~BT so that the automatic downloader cannot create the directory to download that shit into. It will error and die.
4. Continue using your legacy version of Windows.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
You have to block the domains at the router, and the IPs at the router I think too.
Only problem is that there are hardly any apps in the store. Or let me put it another way - most of the apps you find there are apps very specific to other countries, like Brazil or India or something else. As an example, on iOS or Android, if I download the Olive Garden app, I can make a to-go order from the Olive Garden nearest me. If I download the one on the Windows Store, I get something in Portugese that would work well if I were Brazilian. Nothing against Brazil, but Microsoft's app store hardly has what I need.
Aside from a laptop, I have a Winbook, which I'd like to use w/ apps that I don't always use w/ my phone. Things like Yelp! or Fandango. Now, those 2 are available on Windows Phone 8.1, as well as Windows 10 Mobile, but if I search for them on my Winbook, I'm told that they're not compatible w/ that device (since the originals are ARM and that device is an x86). Defeats the purpose of having a Windows tablet that does anything other than what current Wintel laptops do. And speaking of Windows 10 Mobile, most of the apps that are there on iOS or Android - like Vonage, RetailMeNot, Lyft, et al are just not there on the Windows Store. Which is a pity. Most of the apps in the MS store are mediocre apps in and off themselves, many written abroad and hardly vetted by Microsoft.
The only reason Windows 10 is useful at all is that one can in the traditional way either install legacy Wintel software from CDs/DVDs or download them from websites - something that's not always an option w/ either OS X or iOS or Android or ChromeOS. In other words, no advantage over Windows 7. The UI is an advantage over Windows 8.x in that it doesn't kick open your desktop when it's not needed.
>>The reason for wifi problems in Linux was due to there being no open source drivers for so many wireless chips.
Your statistics seem to be old, or broken.
On the approx 30 random laptops I installed linux in the last 3 years, all of them had working Wifi, out of the box.
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For the other 99% of the population Linux is awesome, if installed and configured by a competent Linux professional.
How would one go about finding a local GNU/Linux professional? Are Linux user groups still a thing in the fourth quarter of 2015?
Most people who "need" photoshop don't really need it. They just don't want to deal with the learning curve for a new tool, such as The GIMP.
Or, just as likely, they don't want to deal with retraining their entire team from Photoshop to GIMP so that they can collaborate in XCF instead of PSD. Besides, GIMP reportedly won't get adjustment layers any time before 3.2. (In Photoshop, an adjustment layer is a layer that makes a copy of what's below it, applies a filter, and automatically updates itself whenever anything below the layer changes.)
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Funny how those "pushing" for change are rarely the ones PAYING for the change. How much would it cost to switch from generic PCs to Macs? Even with Apple's "get them hooked early" education discounts, that has to be an expensive switch.
Besides, children are children. They just want what is cool and shiny, not what's best for the task at hand.
sustainable living
Wrong context. I'm talking about the reasons why ones that are broken are broken, completely disregarding all the working chips. Which is why I used past tense, because it's mostly a solved problem anyway.
Your post is an excellent example of why linux never got the market share it really should have. Instead of attempting to fix the problem (or hell, even just expressing sympathy), you attack the person talking about the problem and go so far as to call them a troll. Video and wifi are notorious for not working out of the box on various linux distros (yes, we know it's the hardware vendors fault in a lot of cases), there's no harm in acknowledging it. By insulting the people who encounter these kinds of issues, you drive away a lot of potential users and reinforce the perception that these issues aren't going to be fixed anytime in the near future.
Who do you work for? Apple? Google?
Myself.
I've done seven machines now, and Microsoft has been doing everything automatically with no input from me despite my settings. All Windows 10 Professional. An 8th is a Mac with Windows 7 in Bootcamp that I have to fight with them to keep it from installing and updating because it's a mid 2011 model, and will need a lot of experimenting to see if it will work because Apple doesn't support W10 in bootcamp that far back. So call me a liar. Makes not one bit of difference to what I and others have been experiencing.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Perhaps by giving you a reason to try your software on Wine.
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I cannot help but think that if WINE (Wine Is Not an Emulator) fully supported Microsoft Office that many people could switch to their Linux flavor of choice and be done with it. Many games run under WINE already so I think support for Office is what we are really waiting for. How much funding would it take to get full support for two Office version to WORK?
I know LibreOffice and AbiWord are comparable alternatives, but a Pinto and a Lambogini Diablo are comparable. Both are cars with four wheels, but they do not quite measure up. How much funding would it take to make LibreOffice measure up?
NDIS Wrapper hasn't been required for years, so it is already clear that you are doing it wrong. The fact that there are no Open Source drivers is a complete non-issue, as all the major cards have drivers provided by the manufacturer. If you knew what you were doing you would have copied the firmware for your card to /lib/firmware and told Linux to use it. Go ahead. Name the card you claim requires NDIS Wrapper, and I'll show you the instructions for configuring it properly.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
What a nut.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
You're the one who said
thus the WiFi and video "problems"
What wifi problems is anyone having now that this is all over? You claimed it required an expert, but that was the only time that was ever true.
So you are saying Windows isn't ready for prime time then? Because I can assure you that Joe Blow won't be any more successful configuring a stock Windows install properly. Also, it seems it will surprise you to know, Joe Blow can't rebuild an engine or create hybrid strains of various vegetable items.
Please, pray tell us, what card is this. Please boot a live Linux DVD and show us the output of lspci (Google it if you don't know what lspci is)
It is a shame we didn't meet in person, as you sound sincere, and I would love to prove to you that the issues you are having are all solvable by an experienced Linux professional (starting with picking the best distribution to use), which brings up another question ... which distribution and version did you try (please tell me it wasn't / let me guess it was / Ubuntu)
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Generic PC's are perfectly suitable for running Linux and BSD. Basically, same price as the Windows PC's commonly available on the market, minus the Microsoft tax.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
How would you find a doctor? I mean, there aren't any Doctor User's Groups in 2015 are there?
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Actually, your chances are much higher than finding a qualified Windows professional. Everybody's brother-in-law, nephew and aunt is a Windows "expert" and the percentage of people who claim to be experts that are not is much higher with Windows. Don't get me wrong. They really think "try rebooting" and "re-install Windows if that doesn't work" are the correct two steps to solving any Windows issue. They are sincerely ignorant. They're the Geek Squad!
I'm sure you aren't going to do it (and I don't blame you), if you posted the city in which you lived I bet I could ferret one out for you. I'd even call him and quiz him to make sure he knew his stuff before replying back with the contact info for the guy (or gal.)
How could you possibly not realize I already said that? Pay attention to the word they in They don't want to ... That words indicates a single person, or an entire team. Of course, it isn't much more costly to train an OMG Entire TEAM!!!! than it is to train an individual. Indeed, there can be a win in that more people working together helps everyone discover tricks, etc. faster.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
No. I was able to properly infer that. It has been confirmed by the OP. Of course, iot is pretty clear that you are a troll, too, with statements like this:
The UI is so configurable in Linux that people usually think I have a mac, then they see it is a Lenovo and they just stand their scratching their head going WTF??? If your Linux system doesn't look and function far, far better than a Windows machine you're doing it wrong. Fucking Metro and no Start Menu is better than KDE with Multiple Desktops and 3D effects properly configured? You are either a troll, or just woefully under-informed (I'd use the "i" word, but people don't know that it means essentially the same thing and tend to automatically click on "Flamebait" or "Troll" in true true Pavlovian fashion - never mind that "Flamebait" and "Troll" aren't synonyms)
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
How do I fix an anecdote? Whatever problems the guy created for himself, he has long since gone back to Windows per his anecdote, so what would I fix? Actually though, if you look more closely at this thread, you will see that I have offered to do exactly that for anyone who will provide the information necessary to do so, so I guess there goes your argument on that front.
I don't know what distribution you are using, but every one I have used for the last several years has had support if you know what you are doing. A lot of distributions require to enable a "non-free" repository, but this is very basic Linux knowledge. I would say anyone who can't get a WiFi card working by properly configuring their system post-install isn't qualified to install and configure a Linux system any more than they were qualified to install and configure a Windows system the first time they got their hands on one.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
... go to Task Manager, find its filesystem location. Terminate running process. Remove all permissions from .exe in the filesystem.
It's the only way to be sure.
That doesn't actually make any sense. I didn't "claim" anything. I stated facts. You can easily verify them with a new software tool that I predict everyone will be using some day.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
How would you find a doctor?
Finding a doctor is something that someone in your family is more likely to know how to do than finding someone to help your organization throw Windows out the window.
if you posted the city in which you lived I bet I could ferret one out for you.
I'm not interested in you doing the work for me in the Fort Wayne, Indiana, area in particular, as much as documenting the process of finding a Linux professional so that others reading this can repeat the process in their own cities.
Pay attention to the word they
I misread they (plural) as its homophone they (animate genderless singular). I apologize. My point was that if one person on a graphic design team needs Photoshop, everyone probably does for file format round tripping reasons.
And I'd bet Mint got a big boost from Amazongate.
In any case, Debian and its descendants (including Ubuntu and Mint) optionally collect telemetry through popularity-contest, ostensibly to help their maintainers prioritize resources. What's the difference between Popcon and Windows 10 telemetry?
It gets harder and harder for me to understand why so many people stay on Microsoft operating systems.
That's cause you are an irrational zealot. You try to spread FUD about compatibility issues and Windows in general.
Take a Linux executable from 10 years ago from any distro any see how well it runs on a current release of Ubuntu. Now do the same with a Windows 95 executable. I bet only one of them will run correctly.
I'm going to be accused of being a shill or something, but it's amazing t me to see people on Slashdot spreading FUD, no matter the topic. For shame.
If you ignore ACs because they are anonymous - you're an idiot.
Go back to claiming to be a software engineer, you damn troll. No one cares what you think.
If you ignore ACs because they are anonymous - you're an idiot.
A professional installed and configured a customized version of Windows on your system...and an amateur tried to installed and configure Linux, and not surprisingly was unsuccessful
This is you claiming. It's unlikely the main reason for the lack of success was not being an expert (even if an expert may be able to overcome some problems).
Users: I'd like Windows 7.
Microsoft: and then...?
Uers: Just Windows 7.
Microsoft: and then...?
Users: no and then!
Microsoft: and then...?
So the process is you post your location to Slashdot, and maybe someone knows the answer. You have heard of the site Slashdot, right. Would you like my help finding one in Fort Wayne, Indiana? There is no getting around it. You can pick a "Linux Doctor" in your area the way most people do; i.e. either you find one in your area and assume he is probably competent, then try him out and if he isn't, then you look for another one, or you ask around for recommendations. Obviously, YMMV on the second one. Lots of newspapers have sections where you can ask for such recommendations. You simply need to be resourceful. Unless of course you are a Linux expert, in which case you can call them and test their skill level, which is what I am offering to do. Yes tepples. For you. I am willing to do that for you. Why? Because I'm a magnanimous individual bursting with altruism and pro-Linux fervor! ;-)
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
ROTFLMAO. This from a guy who thinks late-binding is what he gets when his Dominatrix is behind schedule.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
That is completely contradictory. This is your argument phrased in a way that hopefully makes it more clear to you why you are an idiot. "An Expert could have solved the problems, and he couldn't solve the problems, but the main reason he couldn't was not an inability! How dare you say being an expert has anything to do with it? Just because an expert could get it to work easily and he couldn't do it at all! The nerve of some people forming such an absurd conclusion!" Yeah. Way to go.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
However you phrased whatever that was makes no sense. In fact, if I were to rate it on a scale, it would get an absolute zero.
P.S. ability != expert
This is why you are so confused. You simply lack basic logical facilities. I mean, if you did you would know that ability is certainly a subset of expert. I mean, wouldn't you agree that not everyone with ability is an expert, but every expert has ability? Maybe you are not a software developer? That would explain why you didn't know that there are other relationships besides ==.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Who says Microsoft doesn't give away stuff?
You know, in the past year I've done a few Linux installs and the (non-techie) users are happier with the alternative.
Maybe 2016 will be the year of the Linux Desktop.
"Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
I didn't attack anyone. You need to grow as pair of testicles.
Not only is that sentence by itself self-contradictory, but it's completely untrue. You implied he's dumb because certain hardware didn't work on linux (in reality this is the fault of the manufacturer and/or the linux community), and called him a troll for daring to say something truthful but negative about your OS.
I recently switched to Linux, and I couldn't be happier. I'm no computer guru, quite the contrary actually, so I chose Linuxmint. In any event, they've made Linux so user friendly and easy to utilize that I really can't see why everyone can't make the switch.
I had it download automatically to my C:\ root. It then started popups asking if I wanted to install now or later. These popups stole focus and minimized everything else. Some apps do not want to minimize. In the interest of my work apps not crashing when force minimized, I clicked later. It immediately started installing. I rebooted. I tried a few times to get around this. Regardless of whether I click now or later, it starts installing immediately.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/microsoft-has-no-plans-to-tell-us-whats-in-windows-patches/
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/09/leaks-show-that-microsoft-writes-release-notes-so-why-cant-it-publish-them/
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html
http://www.computerworlduk.com/blogs/open-enterprise/how-can-any-company-ever-trust-microsoft-again-3569376/
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2956574/microsoft-subnet/windows-10-privacy-spyware-settings-user-agreement.html
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/22/nsa-windows-8-exploit/
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/07/11/microsoft-gave-the-nsa-direct-backdoor-access-to-outlook-skype/
http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/how-stop-windows-10-upgrade-downloading-your-system
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/195592-with-windows-10-microsoft-could-move-to-a-subscription-based-model
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/205320-microsoft-windows-10-will-be-the-last-version-of-windows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GU5uv28a3I
http://techrights.org/2015/07/31/vista-10-anticompetitive/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwRYyWn7BEo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gghj03J_ri0
http://localghost.org/posts/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems/
THESE
https://gitlab.com/windowslies/blockwindows
^(have to un-comment the #'s on two url's in the hosts file per latest change) LOOK, NOTICE THIS
https://senk9.wordpress.com/checklists/windows-10-privacy-checklist/
^Applies to 7/8/8.1 too.
How is Microsoft going to make bold claims of mass adoption if they don't force it down your throat?
The biggest problem isn't the OS, but the software on the OS. LibreOffice may not be fully compatible with MS Office docs or spreadsheets, and gnucash isn't Quicken.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
And you'll never be sure to catch all, when a sneaky update brings new spy urls.
I actually want Windows 10, and have tried to install it several times, but when the installer boots it says the resolution of my monitor (1280 x 1024) is not supported. Microsoft, please fix this so I can use your software.
Whoa, everybody, we've got a badass over here, he's installed windows 10 TWICE. Therefore he is clearly an expert on all things Windows 10, and anything you say that differs from him clearly shows YOU are wrong.
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Actually a lot of software is windows only if you want it to truly work. I'm a heavy user of CAD software (electronics mixed with mechanics), I need cisco VPN and Citrix to work together smoothly, and our toolchains consist out of programs written (badly) by vendors who often have no competition at all. So support is non-existent to sum it up shortly. Then you have artwork conversion for manufacturing which is a nightmare in its own right. ( Not to mention some equipment still runs NT 4 which can be very picky about file systems.) Migrating to Windows 10 would be a nightmare, but Linux would be impossible. And even if I could get it to work in WINE the graphics support in Linux is so sketchy that the performance would make it useless. I can already get a Windows server on its knees with AutoCAD and Altium, what do you think would happen if I were to run it through WINE? And I hardly think I'm a lonely case. Additionally the hardware compatibility beyond Windows 7 and in Linux is a disaster, Imagine accessing a GBIP bus or PLC card on Windows 10 or in Linux. The humorous statement "the computer says no" comes to mind.
Not to mention a toddler could design a better UI than the GIMP team... For being graphics editing software it sure could use a touch of a graphics designer in that department. Then again it is a GNU related project I suppose, which goes a long way explaining why its a piece of condensed misery that doesn't support things the competitors have for 10+ years.
My PC is one that I installed a legal copy of Windows 7 Professional myself. It has no system reserved position, apparently. So the Win 10 upgrader looks for the system reserved partition it expected to find on a store-bought preload, doesn't find it and informs me that my system can't be updated. Fine! But please stop offering the upgrade then. You already know you can't do it. I wonder if I bought a box of Win10 if it would upgrade. Probably not. We had a house fire and my Win7 DVD was damaged. I have it, but it probably isn't readable.
Only boring people are ever bored.
Never in the history of OSX did the operating system break compatibility with all of its existing software intentionally. In fact, when Apple shifted to a different x86 cpu, they provided tools which let someone run software from A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE TO MAINTAIN COMPATIBILITY. Last time I checked, Microsoft has never done anything like this, as their business model has been "Buy all new stuff so we can fuck you out of it in two to three years"
I've seen this too, it's definitely fishy and underhanded. The crazy thing about all this is that its main effect is to destroy my already limited trust in Microsoft. Before I at least trusted that, even if occasionally broken, the updates were at least generally beneficial and I had recommended updates installed automatically. I no longer have any trust that my machine is my own and that I'll be able to continue to use it. I already had to manually clean up and hide all the updates which trigger upgrades; what a waste of my time. And who knows how long it will last. I don't want to have to research and vet every update.
The other crazy thing is that if they hadn't forced the telemetry, cortana, and forced updates, I'd have been perfectly happy to upgrade to Windows 10 months ago. Merely having clear and obvious options to fully disable them all would have been sufficient. And some real transparency over what's really being collected. It's just too much to accept. There's no way they have any business collecting this information--I simply won't be allowing it.
So an own goal for MS here. As it is, as I type this I'm installing Windows 7 in a VM, where it can live safely off the net, and be snapshotted and backed up, and exist indefinitely whatever MS may do in the future. Daft that it's come to this, but it's entirely self-inflicted. Strange that they seemingly want to kill of any serious use of their stuff.
"simply impossible" is a very strong phrase, and telling people what must have happened on that basis is iffy at best. Calling people liars because of your religious beliefs about Microsoft software is simply wrong.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
When something really unexpected happens on my computer, I freeze. I don't touch anything. Then I look at what's happened and try to figure out a good solution.
Good habit to get into.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
for a notification to "upgrade" either of my 2 machines.
alive to the universe, dead to the world
No. You don't seem to understand. Said hardware works fine "on" Linux. I don't know of a single major NIC that isn't supported by Linux. Can you name one? I didn't think so. Apology accepted.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
That's fine. I give your humour a -273.15
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Still awaiting a response on this one, subchad
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
> Sorry to nit pick but those are consoles not gp computers
Well, none of them can run a simple bash script, so they are all roughly equal in functionality. And the only reason anyone stays with Windows is because of the games, right? I mean, come on- you can't seriously expect Windows to do the work of a Linux distro, right? Windows is a toy OS that runs some games, like the Wii U and the PS4 dashboards.
Just how oblivious are you? Some zero-effort googling shows a chipset on a lenovo that wasn't supported: http://www.linux.org/threads/t...
And a good number of common wireless cards (broadcom specifically?) are "supported" but usually require a weekend of wading through various forum posts and how-to guides of dubious quality in order to get the thing to cooperate.
I've yet to install linux on a laptop that didn't have issues with either the wireless and/or the wired ethernet that required jumping through quite a few hoops to make work.