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AdBlock Plus Updates Acceptable Ads Policy

AmiMoJo writes: By default the popular AdBlock Plus plug-in allows some "acceptable" ads to be displayed. A blog post announcing updates to policy describes the goals of the update: easier to understand, more robust and more explicit about what is and isn't acceptable. The new criteria are listed on another page, and the option to disable acceptable ads remains.

523 comments

  1. Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't give a fuck what their justifications are. There are not any ads that are acceptable. That's it. End of story.

    1. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Speak for yourself. Ads are the reason why a lot of good content can stay afloat on the web without asking for money directly, I get that.
      I wouldn't mind decent, simple text or image ads on the Internet. As long as they don't try to force feed me their ads down my throat, shove distracting, animated shit in my face or potentially harm my computer with uncontrolled Flash ads, I don't see why we couldn't all get along.

      I hope the ad industry and site operators are finally starting to realize that annoying the shit out of your potential customers is not a viable long term strategy.

    2. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by arielCo · · Score: 0

      If you're not paying a site for the service or contributing content, and are not allowing any ads, you're freeloading on their dollar.

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    3. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you're not paying a site for the service or contributing content, and are not allowing any ads, you're freeloading on their dollar.

      And if they don't like it they can detect that, and they can fade into obscurity when people stop going there. It's a viable model for some sites though, if they have what people want and are willing to pay for. Most sites don't actually have any content which is that compelling, so they can quit their whining. 95% of the sites on the web could go away tomorrow and it would be a better place.

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    4. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Alright, calm down Captain Righteous. Is anyone forcing you to use Adblock over something else?

      There are not any ads that are acceptable. That's it. End of story.

      Oh, so you're the arbiter of universal objective truth? Because I have some questions...

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    5. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's my patriotic duty to avoid looking at ads. Just because some liberal elitist in a suit thinks that he can take my money? I don't think so!

    6. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ads are the reason why a lot of good content can stay afloat on the web

      Where is this "good content"? I can't find it and, frankly speaking, would have no problem if all ad-sponsored business would disappear from the web tomorrow, including this site.

    7. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're not paying a site for the service or contributing content, and are not allowing any ads, you're freeloading on their dollar.

      So? Were they forced to put up the service/content? Yeah, I didn't think so.

    8. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ads are the reason why a lot of good content can stay afloat on the web without asking for money directly,

      You might be surprised to learn that there was an internet for several decades before the advertisers showed up, and that it had a dramatically higher signal to noise ratio then. I know, because I was there.

      I'll take that internet over the one we have now, any day. If the advertisers go away again, that will be a good thing. The actual useful content will remain: things like wikipedia that I and others will voluntarily contribute to support. But your average click-bait idiot trap pages, they can die and the world will be better off for it.

    9. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by arielCo · · Score: 1

      And if they don't like it they can detect that, and they can fade into obscurity when people stop going there. It's a viable model for some sites though, if they have what people want and are willing to pay for.

      What about sites that get a lot of occasional visitors? Blogs are typical here - thousands bump into the best of them once a month or so through a Google search, but they'd be hard pressed to log into PayPal to pay a fraction of a cent to see the content, let alone buy a subscription. Just imagine that every show on your TV / radio was pay-per-view and imagine how you'd like that.

      Most sites don't actually have any content which is that compelling, so they can quit their whining. 95% of the sites on the web could go away tomorrow and it would be a better place.

      What does this have to do with visitors who actually visit the site seeing ads? You may not like the content, someone else does and they cause an expense.

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    10. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Where is this "good content"?

      With such constant disappointment on the web, I can't understand why you'd keep using it.

    11. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by lucm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      force feed me their ads down my throat

      You mean, like the awful "Slashdot Top Deals" ad that comes up a second after the page is loaded, bringing down the menu on the right and getting me to mistakenly click on it?

      It's been years since I've been first offered that "Disable advertising" checkbox (since I'm an amazing contributor) and I have never used it, but with this new Slashdot Deals ad I might do it soon.

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    12. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by PvtVoid · · Score: 1

      Uhhh ... no.

      I'm not under any obligation to let any particular content onto my network. Content providers are perfectly free to paywall their site.

    13. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be fun with museums and buskers - “A donation? Nobody forced you!”

    14. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Speak for yourself. Ads are the reason why a lot of good content can stay afloat on the web without asking for money directly, I get that.

      I get it too, when I think about it rationally. The trouble is, I've been so bombarded with ads since I was born (and I'm not that young), be it on newspapers, roadside signs, television, the internet when it started to become commercially attractive... that I have a visceral hate of it, whatever product it plugs and whomever forces it onto me. I find any and all adverts vulgar, disgusting and a gross intrusion on my right to choose what I want to stuff my brain with.

      As a result, I too block all ads on the internet. Yes, I know many sites couldn't live without it, but... well, if they can't, I'd rather they disappeared than have to look at ads.

      Also, when I can't block, skip or hide ads, I *remember* what product was advertised, and by whom, and I make a mental note never to buy that product, and if possible, any other product from that company. That's what decades of wanton advertising has done to me. Talk about well poisoning...

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    15. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What do you mean "disappointment"? I use the web for bad content, for entertainment and wasting time, like everybody else.

      The fallacy of many web-sponsored startups is to believe that their "content" is good or even worth anything, just because people look at it for free. Mostly it's not. (There are exceptions, of course.) If Facebook would die tomorrow, nobody would give a shit about it, people would simply move on to another site. The same holds for most of the other adware sites. If you have a good product, people will buy it. Ad-supported "content" is just a soap bubble.

      Besides, I'm not sure if your old enough to know that, but the Web was great before companies and ads came to it. Instead of /. you would waste your time on Usenet - without ads.

    16. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by lucm · · Score: 1

      You might be surprised to learn that there was an internet for several decades before the advertisers showed up, and that it had a dramatically higher signal to noise ratio then.

      True that. I used to read the Baseline magazine (http://www.baselinemag.com/), it was full of interesting articles, and I was even looking at the few ads because they were relevant.

      Now it's just empty click-baiting content filled with blinking banners, fake pop ups and lousy ad-injected slideshows. Not sure who's benefits from that, but it's not the reader.

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    17. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

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      -apk

    18. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by snowsnoot · · Score: 2

      I think that's the point. People don't agree that the price is really what its worth. Hence the real value is much lower. People still go to the movies when there is a movie they actually like, but for most of the drivel that is produced it is simply not worth paying for and if it didn't exist people would find something else to do. Essentially but refusing to pay, we are saying it is worth $0.

    19. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not watching ads on the internet is just as bad as muting the TV when ads are on. And don't get me started on people who have the nerve to leave the room for a bathroom break when ads are showing. For shame! If you want free TV shows than you should watch the ads.

    20. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by snowsnoot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention all the tracking and JavaScript bullshit. The web sucks now, and tools like ABP, privacy badger and HTTPS everywhere are becoming an absolute necessity.

    21. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by IBME · · Score: 1

      Freeloading on their dollar. I'll be sure and send them my cable bill so that they get what they payed for.

    22. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by ThePhilips · · Score: 1

      Ads are the reason why a lot of good content can stay afloat on the web without asking for money directly, I get that. I wouldn't mind decent, simple text or image ads on the Internet. As long as they don't try to force feed me their ads down my throat, shove distracting, animated shit in my face or potentially harm my computer with uncontrolled Flash ads, I don't see why we couldn't all get along.

      You comment doesn't make sense. First you say "ads are needed!" but then you go and say "unless" and list all the reasons why people install the adblockers in the first place.

      That thing people call "acceptable ads" is as old as the internet advertisement itself. It didn't work 20 years ago - I do not see reasons why it would work today. Greed always wins and all "acceptable ad" networks, however good their intentions initially are, turn to shit sooner or later. Or die, because the toxic competition always outbids them.

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    23. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So what? This is the internet. For some reason people think that just because they put content up they should be paid for it. I have no obligation to compensate them in any way and they have no expectation of compensation. If they put something up it is because they want to and responsibly is solely their own, including any costs associated with it. We can both take it or leave it.

      That's not to say they shouldn't try to recoup those costs however they are able to do so. If they can get it by getting people to pay, by running ads, by soliciting donations, or whatever, then good for them, but I am still under no obligation to pay, view ads, or anything and they are under no obligation to continue to provide content. If their methods don't work for whatever their purpose then that's their problem, find something else or find a better balance. I will continue to consume whatever content I can at whatever cost I accept.

    24. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by tepples · · Score: 1

      You might be surprised to learn that there was an internet for several decades before the advertisers showed up

      Was it possible to get Internet access at home back then? I was under the impression that before advertisers showed up, the Internet was available on university campuses, and that was about it.

    25. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this modded down? The hosts file will continue to work when Firefox kills AdBlock Plus by removing the existing addon API next year and replacing it with a neutered useless version designed to placate advertisers. All while continuing to push Pocket at every upgrade.

    26. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also meant to conclude that excessive ads are one costs I will not accept and will continue to avoid. Take it or leave it. If they pull content because of it, nothing of great value will be lost or there will always be some other alternative to take its place.

    27. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Kkloe · · Score: 1

      being a wikipedia editor is a good merit for anything?

    28. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit! Content is copied, plagiarised or place-holder paged to generate clicks. The commercial sites have one reason to exist, to generate eyeballs. The content is irrelevant. It could be code, free iWank apps, hangbag reviews of the week, top 10 time-wasting shitfest, et al. Not one of them has any value. Shills like you cannot grasp the simple fucking fact that you are the bloody product, not the crap on the page. Shut them all down, take them offline right now. Guess what? No one noticed. Nothing of value was lost.

      The "ad industry" offers nothing to society. They are a cancer. They are like modern charities that exist to sustain their own shitty ecosystem.

      The cost of leaving information online is nothing. Text is nothing, a png is nothing. The resources that require costs are the fucking external css/javascript menagerie of fucking AJAX OSes running on every fucking cunting page. Adverts do nothing for the consumer. They only add to the cost of the fucking product. No one ever buys something from a fucking advert, you twat! They solely exist for brand recognition, you moron.

    29. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What about sites that get a lot of occasional visitors?

      I pay $12/year for hosting and around that much for domain registration. If that is an undue burden, then perhaps they should develop content for someone else's website.

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    30. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That just means more sites should be asking for money directly. I don't mind paying for content at all and I do donate/support/subscribe the few sites I care about. I most certainly do mind websites plastered top to bottom with gaudy, animated crap. And don't even get me started on the fake 'sponsored' links.

      There's no such thing as a good ad. When I need to buy something I'll find it myself, thankyouverymuch.

    31. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is security. The ad providers seem to have a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" relationship with malware writers. This is quite effective -- the ad provider doesn't show the same malware-laden ads in the same IP space for a bit so people can't pin it to them, and the malware maker gets their botnet and ransomware out there.

      Even without malware, ever try browsing the web on iOS devices, even with the "blocker" functionality? You wind up getting tossed to the App Store every page for some piece of shit game (try using the Cracked app... they dump you to Lyft or Candy Crush every page), or the ads take up the entire screen, and the "x" to click on only takes you to their site.

      The analog would be a door to door vacuum bed company. Most times they visit, they just show a product and leave. However, one in 20 will pull out a sawed off 12 gauge, tie you and your family up, have their way with the family dog, and take all your belongings. This is exactly how the ad industry is. The ad companies do -nothing- about malware, to the point where malvertising is pretty much the #1 infection vector these days (not everyone visits the warez sites or the "deep web".)

      There are ads which are OK... The text Google ads for example. However, the screen covering shit that demand an E-mail address, the ones that try to redirect you to some assmunch site in Elbonia, the ones that try to nail your web browser or add-ons. (One site even tried attacks against Android, gave up, then tried forcing a "FBIrequiredsecurityupdate.apk" app download)

      As per the example above, because the door to door vac bed company doesn't do anything about their salespeople jacking their customers, I don't open my door to them. I view ads as a security problem, and block them with a number of methods (AdBlock, hosts file, IP blackhole list), and I also use tools like click to play. I also run my web browser in a VM to further ensure isolation.

      The ad companies refuse to clean up their act, and until they do, I will view their content the same way as I view a site from a TOR exit node or China that is trying to brute-force ssh.

    32. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe I will allow some small static ads if all advertisers will go back to that. Pop-ups, pop-unders, animated gif ads, auto-play video ads, flash ads, and any other annoying types of ads are totally not happening here. Until advertisers and web site owners/admins wise up, all ads are blocked here.

      As to good content, there seems to be less and less of that all of the time, as more ads and more annoying ads show up on web sites. In addition, far too many web pages that should be one page of text become six pages long so that sites can display far too many ads!

      When you ad in the factor of ad servers infected with and spreading viruses, malware, and spyware, blocking all ads is the only sensible thing to do. The advertisers made the mess by going way way way way way too far with more and more annoying ads, tracking users etc... Now they bitch because we reject their shoving crap down our throats? Sorry, I pay for my Internet service, I paid for my computer. That gives me (and ONLY me!) the right to decide what gets displayed on my computer screen. My time and attention is far to valuable to be wasted looking at ads for crap that I neither need nor want, ads that slow the loading of web sites to a crawl.

      And BTW, I didn't start using ad-blockers, script blockers, and anti-tracking plug-ins until the ads just got too annoying and headache inducing!

    33. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Total bullshit. I've said it elsewhere as AC, but let me repeat it:

      The fallacy of many web-sponsored startups is to believe that their "content" is good or even worth anything, just because people look at it for free. Mostly it's not. (There are exceptions, of course.) If Facebook would die tomorrow, nobody would give a shit about it, people would simply move on to another site. The same holds for most of the other adware sites. If you have a good product, people will buy it. Ad-supported "content" is just a soap bubble.

    34. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only that, but ads should not take up more than 10% of the page. As it is most places ( if someone is unfortunate enough to not have adblock ) the CONTENT takes up 10% of the page with 90% being ads.

      Same with youtube, first time in years I tried it without adblock was recently. Every. Single. Video. Was prefaced by a 15+ second ad that was un-skippable. Nope, back to adblock plus / ublock origin, not going to put up with that shit.

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    35. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Sigma+7 · · Score: 2

      Why is this modded down?

      Cause it's apk hosts file spam, and he wants to advertise his own hosts file rather than being useful.

    36. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

      And as soon as it was offered to the general public we started getting banner ads > flashing banner ads > popups > popunders > popups / unders that opened more popups / unders when closed > shit like bonzai buddy that didn't even need the browser open to splatter shitware all over your monitor > scripted ad pages that won't let you close them.... ETC. ETC. ETC.

      Rose tinted glasses much?
      Yeah, the "internet" was a shit-ton better before the general public was allowed on it, but it had drastically less content as well.

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    37. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Teun · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you're complaining about.

      I've disabled the adblocker here and yes that top banner shows up but it doesn't resize/ reposition the page in any bothersome way.
      Besides, what menu on the right, that little invitation to turn off advertising and your karma score??

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    38. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It is more than 12 per month you dumb fucktarded leech. Oh, that's right, you fucktarded shitdot sheeple want your precious communism so you don't have to work at all while everyone else does the work for you. The reason you fucktarded shitdot sheeple hate ads so much is because you dumb cock-sucking faggots erroneously think that communism=trust while capitalism=anti-trust. If you want to avoid ads then go to any site that has Richard "RMS Titanic" Stallman in the nude so you can jack off to it, or you could just find a razor, run a hot bath, and slit your fucking wrists fucktards.

      GO AHEAD FUCKING FLAME AWAY
      OR WASTE YOUR GODDAMNED
      MOD POINTS FUCKTARDED SHITDOT SHEEPLE OR BETTER
      YET GO SLIT YOUR FUCKING WRISTS
      FUCKTARDED SHITDOT SHEEPLE

    39. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Acceptable advertising varies by culture. Personally, I can't tolerate much of it. Other people might be able to spend every day in Times Square without batting an eye. It also seems to vary by medium within a culture. I am not sure how you can cater advertising to the user in terms of magnitude, but my gut feeling is that people that use Adblock should just be left alone by advertisers until they get a better sense of what the users find non-offensive.

      That said, I do know there are advertisements that I respond to, but the blinky, moving, invasive shit will not be tolerated.

    40. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Deals aren't blocked by the checkbox...

    41. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention all the tracking and JavaScript bullshit. The web sucks now, and tools like ABP, privacy badger and HTTPS everywhere are becoming an absolute necessity.

      This.

      What was so wrong with IMG SRC="http://example.org/image.jpg"

      Did we really need to IFRAME it with a redirector to some Tweet?

      Did we REALLY need to DIV SOME LAZYLOADING JAVASHIT data-src="http://example.org/image.jpg" data-width="320" data-height="200">

      Fuck Javashit, fuck lazy load, and fuck all the CSS types who think a static image should pulsate or change color when it happens to scroll beneath my mouse. They think I'm hovering over the image and want me to take some action, while nothing is further from the truth, I'm not even touching the fucking mouse.

    42. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Where is this "good content"? I can't find it and, frankly speaking, would have no problem if all ad-sponsored business would disappear from the web tomorrow, including this site.

      "Good content" in this case is content you enjoy, including things that you are too ashamed to admit you enjoy. Even "the top 10 fart jokes you already know" is good content if you enjoyed reading it.
      Entertainment is seriously underrated.

    43. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're the clueless idiot. I can display web pages in my browser as I like. It's my machine and I pay for the bandwidth. I have zero obligation, neither morally nor legally, to watch advertisements or even display them, just as I don't have any obligation to click on links in spam mails sent to me.

      Moreover, I don't have to discover new products. When I want to buy something, I inform myself and then buy the product that best fits my needs. And I am seriously not interested in the flawed business models and whining of self-proclaimed entrepreneurs who have no genuine product to offer.

    44. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by tepples · · Score: 2

      If Facebook would die tomorrow, nobody would give a shit about it, people would simply move on to another site.

      If not for ads, who would fund the operation of "another site"?

    45. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're just mentally devaluing it to say it wasn't good enough to be worth paying for, thus they didn't lose anything when you took it for free. It's a perfect rationalization of ad blocking and piracy for cheapskates and the poor, because you wouldn't/couldn't pay for anything it's okay if you download everything.

      Actually, I think you're skipping a few ste" -- in particular, a site should agree to pay me damages if I get malware from one of theirps here. Ad blocking is actually slightly different from piracy.

      I'm not applying for sainthood either, but if we want to have an intellectual discussion let's at least be honest about it.

      Okay, let's be honest about it. There's a difference between selling a product like a movie or music or whatever and asking people to pay for it vs. putting something up on a publicly accessible website and demanding people also download annoying time-wasting ads from third-party sites that eat your bandwidth and your processor time.

      Putting something on a publicly accessible internet page is like putting something on a public bulletin board in the middle of Times Square. If you want to claim "ownership" over it and don't want people to read it, don't post it in a publicly viewable space. There are plenty of sites that recognize common ad blockers and either display a message like "Please view our ads" or even refuse to show content unilaterally. I have no problem with that. I have no problem with paywalls, either, and I do subscribe to a few online services whose content I actually find valuable enough to pay for.

      The problem with most sites and ads is that by viewing a site, I'm required to submit to a crapload of 3rd-party scripts and cookies loading on my machine. Many websites don't do their due diligence in checking out this stuff, so you're asking me to potentially infect my computer with malware in order to view the content? Sorry -- that price is too high.

      If you had a site that guaranteed no 3rd-party trackers and only served ads from its own server that it had done due diligence in checking for malware, etc., THEN I might consider viewing the ads. But 99.9% of sites don't do anything like that, and thus I can't take the risk.

      You can't run your business another way? That's not my problem. You don't want people to "take your stuff for free"? Put it behind a paywall, or at least set up a rudimentary screening thing for people browsing with common ad blockers that says, "We see you're using an ad blocker. You need to accept ads to view the rest of our site. Sorry." And then I'll make a decision about whether it's worth it to view your site.

      But if you deliberately post your content on a publicly viewable website, I have no moral obligation to pay to download, render, and then waste my time sitting through your potentially malware-ridden ads from 3rd parties. Those are my "terms and conditions of use" for my computer. You don't like it? Don't put publicly viewable stuff on your website.

      All of this is VERY different from piracy, which involves taking something which is generally sold for a price and sharing/downloading for free against the creator's wishes. The creator on a public website is implicitly allowing me to download content AND use an ad blocker, unless they tell not to.

      If you go down the road to your logic, the next thing you'll be telling me is that it's immoral to get up and make a sandwich which muting my TV during a commercial. No, sorry -- that's not stealing content, and nor is viewing content on a public website.

      (And by the way, I'm fully behind AdBlock trying to make standards for more reasonable ad practices, but it would have to go a lot further for me to find them "acceptable.")

    46. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Then who funds the operation of the sites through which you 'inform yourself'?

    47. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by tepples · · Score: 1

      What happens is that the page loads, with "Disable Advertising" at the top and the message inbox just below that. But as I'm reaching up to follow a link to the message in the inbox, two more boxes appear right above it: "Slashdot Top Deals / Pay What You Want: White Hat Hacker Bundle" and "Get the Slashdot Newsletters / Sign Up!" Only the first of these two boxes has an X to make it go away.

    48. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Sure, it had a higher signal to noise ratio.
      But in absolute terms, it also had much less signal. And the lower SNR of today is compensated by better search technology. For me, it's a win.

      And now that you are talking about Wikipedia, it certainly has great content. However, I don't like the direction it is taking with its donation campaigns as they look a lot like ads. They use overlays, interstitials, large banners. If you read the details, they clearly try to get as much money from you as possible using marketing techniques. I know they need money to run the servers but they managed to do it for years without this.

    49. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      The only possible conclusion then is that you're very dim because you waste your time on something worthless.

      To me, /. is not worthless because I enjoy posting here, I enjoy the stories and I like arguing with idiots in the comments. Enjoyment has value. If you enjoy it, then you're lying to yourself about lack of value. If you don't enjoy it, then you're a very silly person.

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    50. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    51. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself. Ads are the reason why a lot of good content can stay afloat on the web without asking for money directly, I get that.
      I wouldn't mind decent, simple text or image ads on the Internet. As long as they don't try to force feed me their ads down my throat, shove distracting, animated shit in my face or potentially harm my computer with uncontrolled Flash ads, I don't see why we couldn't all get along.

      I hope the ad industry and site operators are finally starting to realize that annoying the shit out of your potential customers is not a viable long term strategy.

      No. Speak for your goddamn self. I ran a popular website that featured no ads, no trackers, no "analytics", no NOTHING. And all it cost me out of pocket was roughly $100 a year. $100 is a small price to pay to not let the parasites invade yet another part of the internet.

    52. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you even doing here, then? If the internet is so bad, you should probably stop using it completely.

    53. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I realize that this may sound foreign or strange to some folks but one of the primary reasons that I retired to Maine is that Maine has a law that prohibits billboards. There are a couple of historical exceptions but those are finally removed when they fall into disrepair and most of those have faded away now except for a few. I know, that seems trivial and it may seem like a bizarre reason but it was really something that made it to my list of pros and cons - it was actually higher on the list than I'd expected. I really value not being bombarded with ads.

      I've been on wanderlust since September. I really hate the billboards but they were kind of interesting at first. They've come a long ways.

      Anyhow, I don't mind some ads but I have been blocking most of them since the 1990s. I used to use some strange software, I do not recall the name, that basically ran as a proxy that let you have definitions, domain names, wildcards, and that sort of thing. I then expanded and started using the hosts file (hello APK) and that was okay but not refined enough for my needs. Today? Well, I'll tolerate a few reasonable ads but I don't find many sites that do that. I'll even click on a nice text link that tells me what you're selling. I might even buy it.

      We used to get ads to "Call in to this new and exciting BBS!" Then we got GIFs that took three minutes (or more) to download. Then they started putting them in the way. Then they started blinking. I was pretty pissed by then and I haven't really seen much in the way of ads ever since. It's the first thing I do with a computer - even if it's not mine (I get permission, obviously). Just put text ads. I'm fine with those and I might even click 'em. Don't put them in the way. Don't try to force me to pay attention to them.

      On the other hand, if a site says that they don't want me to access it with an ad blocking utility installed then I hit the back button. It's their property, it's their rules.

      I dunno what to make of it but I still block ads. I see a few of them at sites where the company is kind enough to just put up texts or host them themselves (some of those get through). Scripting is disabled by default so I don't really see much else. *shrugs* I use uMatrix and am pretty happy with it. I stopped using ABP not long ago and installed uBlock but that's actually disabled at the moment 'cause I don't appear to need it any more. Everyone's moved their ads to running some sort of script so I don't see 'em.

      At any rate... I've no idea what to make of it but I thought I'd add a bit to the mix. I just don't like ads much. It's nice to drive out through the country and look at things other than billboards. It's nice to cruise the information superhighway (yeah, I just said that *puts on shades*) and not be bombarded with ads either. Maine's laws prevent certain sizes and you can only have ads for your own business and on your property and stuff like that, as I recall. It's kind of nice but it's a horrible place and you wouldn't want to live there. Nope... Don't even *think* of moving there. The natives have guns and the economy is even worse.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    54. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      In retrospect, the blink element does, kind of, still amuse me. Blinking rainbow text is how I know that I'm on a site that's full of valuable information!

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    55. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by chipschap · · Score: 1

      I have every right to use my computer in any legal way I see fit. If I want to block ads I can do that. Nothing immoral or illegal about it in any way.

      If sites that depend on ads to exist go away because too many people block their ads, that's life. We all make choices. If I block ads, I take on whatever risk (if you can call it that) is associated. I find the risk of "losing" a site much less than the real risk of being fed a stream of ads that may possibly be laden with malware, although I'm willing to view safe and non-obnoxious ads (as I determine them to be by my own judgment). I definitely read ads that are relevant to me, which unfortunately is about .00001 % of them (percentage approximate!).

      The bottom line is that it's a tough world. Sites search for business models. Users search for a satisfactory experience. These goals don't always intersect. Users make decisions. Site operators make decisions. We all live with the results.

    56. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Define internet? We've been able to dial into a computer or a networked computer for a very long time - even using acoustic coupler cradle modems. If you had access then you could, perhaps, dial in to a university network from remote but a lot of the internet was dialing into some guy's computer across town and he had a BBS running. Long distance charges may apply. So, what you'd do is connect to one system that would enable you to connect to another system and then, with propagation, you could even do stuff like send emails to Australia. (It may take a day or two to get there.)

      Internet vs. WWW? Well, WWW is pretty new and there was some overlap for a while but I don't know of any dial-in BBS systems any more. I do have an inbound call router at home and have thought about making one again. I used to run a BBS for a while but that was after I got over my loathing of a "damned useless" computer. (I was kind of old when I first got into them and they were not point and click.)

      There's a whole ton of shit to share, the history and whatnot, but I only know a small part of it. I'm sure others here are more fluent and articulate than I. Suffice to say, the internet was available from home and with some difficulty prior to the early 1990s an the World Wide Web. Some folks even had a few networked computers that you could dial into. I had two, at one point, 40 MB drives and I was the cock of the walk! I had BACKUPS! Man, that'll save some time.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    57. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly the companies that sell the products and publishers who offer free content to potentially win new subscribers. Apart from that: hobbyists, public institutions like universities & libraries, interest groups, clubs, societies, leagues, unions, ...

      Are you living behind the moon?

    58. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      The main reason I block (some) ads is that they are a potential vector for malware. I refuse to trust ANY ad broker, because too often you read of them getting compromised and infecting visitors "accidentally". I'll be damned if I let any ad source run scripts in my browser.

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      "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked."; ~ Donald J. Trump
    59. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stopped donating to Wikipedia about five years ago. I was rather disappointed by a few things and the primary one was the frequency of their campaigns which was followed by their contacting me with personalized messages and asking for larger/greater donations. The final reason is, and I am not blaming anyone, I use a catch-all email address with specific emails and other charitable organizations have contacted me with that address.

      Actually, I'm going to go ahead and post this as an AC. There are at least two folks here that are quite zealous about Wikipedia and are, I believe, moderators or such. For all I know, they'll start bombarding me with hate mail or something. Again, I don't know that they gave my email address away. It could be coincidental or it could have just been a rogue, zealous, person who had access to the database and thought that I'd make a good source of donations for other groups that they felt were worthy causes. (It was not spear phishing or anything - they were legitimate groups.)

      The email was something easy to guess so it may not have been given away or sold. It was something akin to wikipedia.donate@example.tld. It might have even just been wikipedia@example.tld - this was like five years ago and I've burned a few brain cells since then.

    60. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I blocked /. ads a decade ago because they ran flash ads that used 100% CPU. I still use adblock, but those shitty "deals" still show up because it's hosted from this site. I might have to install greasemonkey again.

    61. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      Dim? I don't know. It's more like smoking another cigarette even though you want to quit.

      I stopped smoking years ago, though, so my general prospects to leave /. one day are overall good. ;-)

    62. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      Ha! Found the perfect solution!

      Bye Slashdot, go fuck yourself!!!

    63. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Ayanami_R · · Score: 0

      The Internet is about to get REALLY small for you. The sites that have trialed blocking ad blockers have shown that most people will switch it off if the content is blocked.

      You are not entitled to content. If you don't like the ads don't view the content, simple as that.

      --
      "Science is the power of man"
    64. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If not for ads, who would fund the operation of "another site"?

      Hopefuly no one. Please let Facebook die in anals [yeah, I know] of history.

    65. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by tepples · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if a site says that they don't want me to access it with an ad blocking utility installed then I hit the back button. It's their property, it's their rules.

      So what happens once eight of the top ten results from a typical query start blocking users of ad blocking utilities? You'd end up hitting the back button more often than actually reading anything. As I understand it, such behavior adopted by the majority of sites would make the Web less useful to you. Or what am I missing?

    66. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by beep54 · · Score: 1

      I dropped all forms of AdBlock after they started morphing into AdBlock Perhaps. uBlock Origen sounded a bit scary at first, but it works very, very well (as far as I can tell). Still, will have to check out doing something with the hosts file (which, if you ask me, is just horribly misnamed; sounds like it is a collection of things you WANT on your computer).

    67. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by ranton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Essentially but refusing to pay, we are saying it is worth $0.

      You may utter those words, but that is not what your actions are saying.

      If you refuse to pay for a movie and never watch it, you are saying it is worth $0 to you.
      If you refuse to pay for a movie and still watch it, you are saying it is worth whatever you consider your free time to be worth to you. You only have a limited number of hours of leisure time in your lifetime, and that has value. You just refuse to pay someone for content you obviously think has value. You can argue semantics on whether that is piracy, theft, etc. but it is certainly being an ass.
      If you pay for a movie and watch it, you are saying it is worth the purchased price plus your free time.

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    68. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I do not do a whole lot of searching at search engines any more. I mostly know where everything I need is and how to find it without the aid of a search engine. I've got bookmarks, etc... If they ask me to not use their property then I'm not going to not follow their rules. I'd be right pissed if you didn't follow the rules when using my property. Obviously, I'd not have stupid rules like no ad blocking but you get the idea.

      I was looking at another one of your comments. With micro-payments? Maybe that's an area for bitcoin?

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    69. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by ranton · · Score: 1

      The fallacy of many web-sponsored startups is to believe that their "content" is good or even worth anything, just because people look at it for free. Mostly it's not.

      Even something that is free is worth something to you if you spend your free time looking at it. You only have so many hours of free time left in this lifetime, why would you ever waste it on something with no value? Do you have such low self respect that you think your life and your time has no value? Call a hotline.

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    70. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speak for yourself. Ads are the reason why a lot of good content can stay afloat on the web without asking for money directly, I get that.

      I get it too, when I think about it rationally. The trouble is, I've been so bombarded with ads since I was born (and I'm not that young), be it on newspapers, roadside signs, television, the internet when it started to become commercially attractive... that I have a visceral hate of it, whatever product it plugs and whomever forces it onto me. I find any and all adverts vulgar, disgusting and a gross intrusion on my right to choose what I want to stuff my brain with.

      As a result, I too block all ads on the internet. Yes, I know many sites couldn't live without it, but... well, if they can't, I'd rather they disappeared than have to look at ads.

      Also, when I can't block, skip or hide ads, I *remember* what product was advertised, and by whom, and I make a mental note never to buy that product, and if possible, any other product from that company. That's what decades of wanton advertising has done to me. Talk about well poisoning...

      Um so let me get this right. This is a pointless rant on justifying your illogical and psychologically disturbing aversion to ads to the point where you bring yourself to irrationality while knowing you are doing this/?!?!! I am surrounded by idiots. I don't care what your view of ads are, that is never an excuse for such irrational thought. Faith in humanity again lost....

    71. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      That's until advertisers discovers that a hardcoded IP address is all that's needed to bypass a hosts file.

    72. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      aaaargh - you spoke for me, bro. Keep being awesome.

      -Damac.

    73. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ads are the reason why a lot of good content can stay afloat on the web without asking for money directly, I get that.

      More precisely, Ads that convince you to spend money on stuff you wouldnt have otherwise spent money on are the reason you get to watch stuff for free.

      Remember, "if you're not paying for something, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold"

    74. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I absolutely agree. Fuck ads.

    75. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sites that block blockers must not be sites that I go to, and the internet is still pretty damn big. I think you seriously underestimate the size of the internet, just like Donald Trump.

    76. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because their position differs from yours doesn't mean they're being dishonest. It means that you're not understanding their position, and are close to refusing to see it from their point of view.

      I am of the same opinion as them. The real concept that's at the root of this is something that exists in economics, it's called "willingness to pay." The content on any given site might be valuable to someone, but not valuable enough to deal with ads. So, an adblocker is applied to reduce the amount of time/energy/distraction that the consumer pays to the site. Now, if the site blocks content because of the adblocker (I haven't experienced this yet), then it's up to the consumer to decide if the time/energy/attention required to disable their adblocker PLUS the time/energy/attention required to deal with the ads is worth the content provided. From most of my limited experience on the web (since it's inception) I haven't found a single bit of content that's worth me dealing with ads, or dealing with turing off my adblocker PLUS dealing with ads.

      But again, this is an individual calculation that each content consumer makes. You likely are willing to wade through a swimming pool of shit to recover a .2 carat cubic zirconium, while I'm not. Sites looking to block content based on adblockers are making a bet that most of their consumers will be willing to deal with ads to get to their content. I'm not. Fuck them. Fuck ads. Fuck capitalism. There's plenty of places on the internet that cater to anticapitalists like me and don't try and get click-through money. I'll just stick to them.

    77. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disagree. Ads are not the problem: the infrastructure used to serve them and the technologies used to construct them is.

      If you want an analogy, it's like buying a newspaper and rather than having static ads printed on the pages you instead have total strangers appear and start yelling their services in your face with a megaphone while dancing the salsa. At home. While you eat breakfast. Oh, and while they're at it they also make a catalogue of your DVDs, books, furniture, collection of dirty magazines and your car and install a camera in the toilet and a GPS tracker on your dog. Because, you know, that eula you implicitly agreed to at the newsagents. Obviously. And if you lock the front door (and they can't pick the lock or smash in the door) they'll just go ahead and sue the lock-maker.

      I have no problem with ads. I have no problem with people financing their page through ads. I do have a major problem with the current model used to serve ads. If it can be detected by an adblocker as an ad then it should be blocked, period.

    78. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you refuse to pay for a movie and still watch it, you are saying it is worth whatever you consider your free time to be worth to you. You only have a limited number of hours of leisure time in your lifetime, and that has value. You just refuse to pay someone for content you obviously think has value.

      You almost have it, but you miss the bar a bit. Using an adblocker isn't refusing to pay someone, it's refusing to pay their asking price - which is viewing arbitrary ads. You're still expending your free time, you're expending your attention selectively to their content over other content. Maybe you're willing to make a donation? Who knows. That's why platforms like patreon (with all their flaws) exist. You can put content up and have people who appreciate it pay for it, rather than just put randomized ads up. Having a lower willingness to pay doesn't equate to piracy. That's how the free market works. Consumers have the power to drive down price by their actions.

    79. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a huge difference in what you're describing and outright blocking advertising. There's good reason that everyone went after DVRs that outright skipped commercials automatically while embracing those which allowed users to jump their way through the commercials. Modern day advertising is designed around the idea of people stepping into them half way through, or seeing them on mute. Companies almost never try to sell based on an argument about the advantages of their product anymore. It's more about brand recognition and just getting the name hammered into people's head. Muting a commercial still allows it. Blocking an ad won't.

    80. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just hack the uni rotary and set up and PPP connection like everyone else then ;)

    81. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might seem crazy from the modern perspective. But back in the day we were all happy to pay in order to get our passions out there. The idea of a website being anything but a cost didn't happen until the web had been around for some time.

    82. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      'Honest' being the keyword in advertisement control. So advertisements honestly suitable for minors, that should be build in, so that a parent can activate that and only advertisements that have passed a review board as being suitable for minors are seen by minors, factual ads for safe products and services free of manipulative pressures. For adults, 'honest' ads are again the proviso, breaks those rules and quite simply fuck your ads, fuck the advertising agency, fuck the website that promotes them and fuck the advertiser. So bad agencies that allow bad ads are blocked uniformly, never have to see them again. Bad advertisers are blocked no matter which agency they go to. Websites that routinely advertise bad products are also blocked.

      No one has any right to show dishonest advertising, that is fraud and a lot more should be done to punish all those involved, the web site that promotes them, the advertising agency, the advertising content creator and the advertiser, all should face penalties for the greed driven choices.

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      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    83. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing that is ad supported is important.

      I block all ads, full stop. I don't give a shit what your excuse is.

    84. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one that's got me a few times recently is when the page jumps back to the top when loading finishes. Say you've started reading while /. is still loading, go to click a link... right when the page finishes loading and jumps back to the top, so you end up clicking on whatever add has loaded. Quite irritating, and thoroughly unnecessary.

    85. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Internet is about to get REALLY small for you. The sites that have trialed blocking ad blockers have shown that most people will switch it off if the content is blocked.

      Good. I'll take quality over quantity any day.

      It sickens me that assholes like you have junked up and polluted our internet so much. Why don't you go one further and create your own global network instead of ruining ours?

    86. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by ranton · · Score: 1

      Having a lower willingness to pay doesn't equate to piracy.

      Agreed, but the post I was responding to explicitly brought up the movie industry. I concede not everything in my post was applicable to ad-blocker.

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    87. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the content is on the web, then I am entitled to watch as much or as little as I like, and if that pissed off the content providers they can fuck off back to AOL.

    88. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by qubezz · · Score: 1

      Ads that are acceptable are not determined by which websites have paid off the adblock plus developers to put them into a whitelist, however.

    89. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blogs? Really? Those are the *most* worthless sites.

    90. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, that's right, you fucktarded shitdot sheeple want your precious communism so you don't have to work at all while everyone else does the work for you.

      If you hate communism so much, then get off of the internet. 99% of the internet is run by systems that were developed under communist/socialist development models.

      Also, if you use an iPhone or an Android phone, throw it away since they are based on code developed under communist/socialist models.

    91. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by snowsnoot · · Score: 1

      Its the same concept though.. Can also apply to music, software, anything that can be pirated really. I think people won't pay the asking price if the value isn't there to do so. The only other option is to pirate or use an ad blocker in the case of web ads. It works well to drive down the price to a level which is more inline with the value, such as has happened in the music industry and what is happening now to the video industry. The only reason we have been paying so much prior to this is because the distribution channels have been controlled, but now that there are other options the true value of the product is realized.

    92. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Museums provide a genuine service and they don't harass visitors for money.

      Buskers are social nuisances, which is why loitering and panhandling is illegal in most places.

    93. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taking "the top 10 fart jokes" example, why should someone running a site be able to monetize jokes that they almost certainly plagiarised?

      I guess you think I should be able to upload feature films to YouTube and monetize them, right? I mean it's good content, right? Entertainment is seriously underrated, right?

    94. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by tepples · · Score: 1

      But without the volume of publishers who support themselves through advertising, how long will hosting providers have the economies of scale to stay in business?

    95. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      Deals aren't blocked by the checkbox...

      Yes. I was so happy when I figured out blocking the StackSocial API with ABP took care of it all.

    96. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      they won't because there'll be less data out there, but since most of it is noise (ads and tracking), it's no loss really.

    97. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      just as the site ops aren't entitled to run whatever code they like on my systems. Are you sure they're shutting it off or just modifying the adblock entry?

    98. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      No. you are placing content on a publicly accessible server tangled in a bunch of executable script, and then bitch when people refuse to run said scripts. If you don't want people doing that, put your content behind a paywall. Then you'll find out what it's actually worth.

    99. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Doesn't have to do with capitalism. It has to do with entitlement. Siteops think they have a right to run whatever code they like on my system. I say no, and refuse to run it. Capitalism doesn't obligate me to them or them to me, in fact, it enables both sides to configure their respective systems as they see fit and let the market decide the outcome. It's only with government imposition that it becomes illegal to block, or illegal to offer ads in the first place.

    100. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by swillden · · Score: 1

      You might be surprised to learn that there was an internet for several decades before the advertisers showed up, and that it had a dramatically higher signal to noise ratio then. I know, because I was there.

      So was I, and it sucked compared to what we have today.

      Sure, the signal to noise ratio was higher, but there was hardly anything there. Today, huge swaths of the entirety of human knowledge is available online. Virtually anything you want to know about anything is available. Your memories are rose-tinted, but if you actually were to go back, you'd find it limiting and frustrating.

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      Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
    101. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      A lot of people are content to wait for a movie to come on free TV, record it and skip the ads. Zero is a very realistic price for a lot of content.

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    102. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by ranton · · Score: 1

      Its the same concept though.. Can also apply to music, software, anything that can be pirated really. I think people won't pay the asking price if the value isn't there to do so

      My point is if you take some of the precious time you have on this planet to watch a movie, you do give value to that movie. Taking the time to watch a two hour movie means you feel the movie is worth twice what you think an hour of your life is worth. Saying you wont even spend a $5 rental price for the movie means one of two things:

      1) You value your time an order of magnitude less than $2.50 an hour. That is pretty sad.
      2) You are full of shit and just don't want to pay for things if you can find a way around it that you don't think you will be punished for.

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    103. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by ranton · · Score: 1

      Zero is a very realistic price for a lot of content.

      Zero is a very realistic price for a lot of content. The majority of content you never watch was worth $0 to you. It was simply not worth your time to watch it.

      Once you decide to watch content, however, you have given it value. Unless you only value your free time at a couple dollars per hour, then the price of content is trivial compared to the value of the time you spend to consume it.

      Very few people have ever pirated media because they don't think the content is worth enough. This may be what they tell themselves, but it isn't true. They are just coming up with rationalizations.

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    104. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1

      hosts are more useful by far doing more for less for more speed, security, reliability, and anonymity

      Technically true, but from the screenshot, I notice a lack of wildcards. This is extremely easy to defeat.

      And speaking of the hosts file, why not make it a separate download so that one doesn't need to download an executable? The only thing visible from APK is a download link for a closed-source executable as opposed to the hosts file itself. Meanwhile, two other host file databases provide a download that doesn't require a separate installer.

      If you going to download a "scary executable", then might as well go whole hog and pick a useful executable file - such as one which can detect new ad networks that popup, and where you can block them on the fly as needed.

      You'd be better served being actually useful producing tools of the nature apk

      Yes, I have produced a useful tool. It's fully customized for my personal need (which is now complete), and can be trivially adjusted. This would be an intercepting proxy server - even if it slows things down, it has the benefit of caching stuff to either mirror external websites or otherwise allow them to load quicker.

      If you want my services (i.e. have that tool converted from specialized to general use), I'm available for 45 USD per hour.

      (assuming you can program that is and somehow I doubt you can be that useful).

      In that case, I'm available for 60 USD per hour. If you feel that programmers aren't that useful, then you can attempt a better solution yourself, then come to the expert programmers once you mess things up.

    105. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yo momma.

    106. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was pleasantly mindfucked when I realized YouTube wasn't showing me ads a few weeks ago, and I couldn't work out precisely why. Not only were the ads gone on my computer, but they were gone on mobile and via Chromecast too.

      Turns out you get ad-free YouTube if you're a Google Music All Access subscriber. I was seriously shocked. Now, just recently they rolled out the family thing, and so now my family members all have music streaming and YouTube without the fucking prerolls.

      I'm an advertising atheist: I don't give a crap how people feel about blocking, and I don't block. So it's great to finally be rewarded as a user, patiently waiting for a subscription model so I can support content creators. I love the channels I follow and the videos my kids watch. I'm elated that I can take some money every month and distribute it to them. It's *fair*.

    107. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by snowsnoot · · Score: 1

      If I think its valuable, I will gladly pay. Went and watched star wars on Friday with my kid, and it was a memorable experience. But even $5 for a shitty formulaic rom-com? Not worth the money but worth the time with the wife. Torrent that shit. Delete it after, not worth the HDD space.

    108. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ads are the reason why a lot of good content can stay afloat on the web without asking for money directly"

      But I'm not buying anything. Looking at ads merely so that someone can get paid to show them to me, when I'm not buying anything (and believe me, I'm not), is just a bubble-making defect in the market. If your business model is get paid to distract me, well, not if I can help it.

    109. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by KGIII · · Score: 2

      What you seem to be missing is that it is *their* computer too. Now, keep in mind, I block the hell out of ads. I just admit that I'm a prick. My blocking ads is like me being a guest in someone's house and telling the other people, perhaps the owner, that I don't want to listen to to shut their pie hole. Yeah, it's their property and they can set the rules. If sites say to not use them with an ad blocker then I hit the close/back button - I'm limited in how much of an asshole I'll be. I'm still an asshole, however. I'm just aware of it and slightly less of one than I could be.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    110. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia's ads are the worst; they are the only ones that come in as "acceptable" to Adblock, so I have had to manually block their shitty banners.

      To be clear: I like Wikipedia, but 90% of what they do with their funds is bullshit, and I figure the 10% have already paid the dues for the rest of us.

    111. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

      Then who funds the operation of the sites through which you 'inform yourself'?

      Sales. Amazon and similar sites that sell products provide information and often, independent reviews. The manufacturer's sites provide specs and user manuals for free, because they want you to buy the product. I don't need any more than that.

    112. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 2

      Advertisers are not entitled to my eyeballs. If they want access to my eyeballs, they will have to pay for that.

    113. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

      Ads are the reason why a lot of good content can stay afloat

      No, ads are actually a sign of distorted, bad, or otherwise disfunctional content. The only thing ads are doing is keeping the ISPs from metering bandwidth more closely-- if ISPs metered like they'd like to, you'd be motivated to reduce ads simply because the use of your bandwidth is costing you money. As long as ads exist, bandwidth metering will be unpopular with the corporations who don't want to see you have a financial stake in ad blocking.

    114. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Given the music industry makes money from the youtube videos I post to my channel, purely because there happens to be music in the background of the live events I'm filming, fuck them.

      They're making money from my content. No, they don't deserve a fucking penny from me.

    115. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You inform yourself?

      How?

    116. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Of course you also never paid a penny for those cigarettes, and didn't even look at the brands advertised on the packing, right? Because of course they were as worthless to you as /. and the rest of the Internet is.

    117. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      The amount of "signal" on that Internet was far less than the amount of "signal" of the Internet as we have now. That the ratio has worsened, doesn't mean that the desired component also has decreased in value.

      One of the great improvements of the Internet back then was the search engine. One of the first (and best at it's time) was AltaVista - and you may not realise it, but that whole site was an advertisement in itself: it was set up to advertise the performance of some new processor by DEC.

    118. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Where is this "good content"? I can't find it and, frankly speaking, would have no problem if all ad-sponsored business would disappear from the web tomorrow, including this site.

      xvideos?

    119. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by ranton · · Score: 1

      But even $5 for a shitty formulaic rom-com? Not worth the money but worth the time with the wife.

      It is depressing you think an hour and a half of time with your wife is worth so much less than $5.

      --
      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    120. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, if a site says that they don't want me to access it with an ad blocking utility installed then I hit the back button. It's their property, it's their rules.

      So what happens once eight of the top ten results from a typical query start blocking users of ad blocking utilities? You'd end up hitting the back button more often than actually reading anything. As I understand it, such behavior adopted by the majority of sites would make the Web less useful to you. Or what am I missing?

      Simple: use the other two. Or look further down the query list.

    121. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by snowsnoot · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to get it. Time itself is a currency, I SPENT my time with the wife and it was worth it. But in addition to that, a movie production company thinks it is also worth my money, which is where I disagree, unless it is included in a subscription service I pay $7 a month for or part of a cable subscription etc. Im not going to pay $5 for every movie i watch because they just are not worth the money. I see you're making this argument about how much your time is worth elsewhere, but I don't like it. When we watch a movie or consume web content we are spending some of our time yes, but we are not necessarily in agreement that an additional monetary fee on top of our time spent is justified.

    122. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by houghi · · Score: 1

      The thing is that you say that you are ok with ads. You say 10%, Others say only text. I say no ads at all. That should be the goal.

      No ads on tv, on the radio, on my underwear.

      'But they make it possible to pay for ...'
      I do not care. If you ask me if I want ads, the answer is no. If I were able to use something IRL to block ads on the street, in magazines and what not, you bet I would use it.

      Please read http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg....

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    123. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by ranton · · Score: 1

      I think people won't pay the asking price if the value isn't there to do so. The only other option is to pirate or use an ad blocker in the case of web ads.

      This is the statement you made earlier which clearly shows you have a desire to watch the film. You didn't list "watch something else" or "wait until the film is available on cable or a streaming service", so there is a strong desire to watch the film. If it was actually crappy, you wouldn't waste your time. There are plenty of other things you could do with your wife.

      When we watch a movie or consume web content we are spending some of our time yes, but we are not necessarily in agreement that an additional monetary fee on top of our time spent is justified.

      The question is why isn't it justified? Is it not justified because there are better things to do? Then do those other things. When you don't do those other things you are implicitly giving a great deal of value to the activity you are choosing to do.

      The price you are willing to pay for the movie is almost unrelated to its actual value to you. Its value to you is nearly priceless, since out of thousands of other choices you are choosing one particular activity. The price has more to do with market forces. The choice on what to pay has more to do with your budget than it does with the movie's intrinsic value to you.

      My main point is no one can ever justify piracy because the content is not worth $5. It is worth far more than that if you spend your time watching it. You may not be able to afford it, or don't want to budget that much money to entertainment, but luckily there are other legally free options.

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    124. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you seem to be missing is that it is *their* computer too.

      And what you seem to be missing is that they are running PUBLIC SERVERS, meant to be accessible to anyone. If they don't like people accessing them, then they need to take them off of the internet and nobody will "steal" their precious content.

      People who load up their sites with advertising are sending one message: "Our site is shit and we have nothing worth paying for so we have to clog it up with ads in a pathetic attempt to make money by luring people with clickbait"

      How about making something that people want to give you money for instead of crying that people are "stealing" your PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE content because they block ads on THEIR computers and THEIR internet connections?

      I block all ads and I always will and nothing that anyone says or does will ever be able to change that. Deal with it, crybaby sympathizer.

    125. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok well, let's see how far that $12/year gets you when you're the one running youtube

    126. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it was. Just because you aren't old enough to remember (or maybe you weren't even born), doesn't mean a thing.

      I had a non-government, non-university internet connection from around 1988. WELL before the internet became the advertising cesspool that it is now. This might be hard for a kid like you to believe, but information was much easier to find because the signal to noise ratio was much higher, the internet was much cleaner and the people online were much more helpful.

    127. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Just man up and admit you're an asshole. It's easier after that and a lot more honest. You'll be in good company, I assure you. I suspect my prior comment was too long for you to actually fully read and comprehend so I'll make this one shorter. "Sympathizer?" Really? Heh... No, I'm an asshole and block the hell out of ads. Fuck 'em.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    128. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't let the door hit you on the way out...good riddance, what an absolute pillock

    129. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by TheOneFreeman · · Score: 1

      There's a reason you're an anonymous coward, whining like that could probably be heard from the moon.

    130. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      But even $5 for a shitty formulaic rom-com? Not worth the money but worth the time with the wife.

      It is depressing you think an hour and a half of time with your wife is worth so much less than $5.

      It's depressing that you think a person's time must have a monetary value. That's fucked up.

      --
      The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
    131. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      We don't get brand advertising where I live. My current pack of cigarettes has a dead person on it and a scary warning.

      --
      The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
    132. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      There is something broken inside people who look at the world the way you do. You're the one that needs a hotline.

      --
      The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
    133. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by tepples · · Score: 1

      How would security updates to the software installed on your computer have worked on a 1988 home Internet connection? Because without the influx of infrastructure investment powered by advertising, we would likely not have got to tens or hundreds of Mbps to the home by the 2010s.

    134. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If Facebook would die tomorrow, nobody would give a shit about it, people would simply move on to another site.

      Ah, and there you have it. You are mistakenly attributing value to Facebook, when the value is clearly associated instead with a 'general' idea of social media.

      Yes, obviously people would move on. Not simply however, and many would care about the fact that they suddenly lost facebook and all the value they added to it. The simple fact of the matter is that there is value BECAUSE people are looking at it. It really is that simple. Now, trying to figure out how MUCH that value is, well that's some serious juju magic that the advertising gurus would say they know (but really don't). In any case, it's defintiely non-zero.

      Just because I wouldn't pay for a site like facebook doesn't mean it has no value for me, or value for the advertisers. If I couldn't get any social media presence without paying, I'm not sure I would have one, but I can guarantee others would. But offering it to me for free allows Facebook and others to 'get' me and although I may never click on a single advertisement there's still the possibility I would, and that has value. Otherwise advertisers simply wouldn't be willing to pay money to advertise to me knowing I will never click/convert.

    135. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The community donation model works well.

    136. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well no wonder you have such backwards ideas about advertising.

    137. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Except that I'm not making their computer do anything. I have my computer send HTTP requests for parts of web pages. It happens that, most of the time, my browser doesn't send a request for the ads, which saved them some bandwidth. If a site refuses to serve pages to me without downloading the advertising, that's their privilege.

      To put it more simply, I ask them "Can I get the parts of the web page that aren't ads?" They're free to do what they will with my request.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    138. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much in line with my thinking. If they say they insist on serving everything then I decline to partake in any.

      You're sending a request for a page and they're saying the page contains this. You're saying no, just give me the parts that I want. It's okay, it's just us being assholes. In our defense, they started it. I know you're not crafting individual HTTP requests but using the address bar in your browser or clicking on a link. Well, no, you *might* be... Probably not, though. I suspect you've better things to do with your time.

      It's okay, we're just jerks. They were jerks first. I still respect their property and if they have a notice that says that they don't want me to use an ad blocking utility then I simply close the tab or hit the back button. If they say that they want me to make use of their property in a proscribed manner then it's incumbent on me to do so. That's called respect. I am, of course, free to not make use of their property.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    139. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an organization that is already set up to deal with very large quantities of very small sums- The Post Office.
      What if you could go into one, buy a $10 physical Card, and use that card for online Micropayments, in denominations of Micro-Dollars?
      The Post Office has acted as a Bank before:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Savings_System
      And the Post Office does not look kindly on those who counterfeit their products.

    140. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once you decide to watch content, however, you have given it value

      I can only assign value to content AFTER I have read/seen/heard/experienced it. I am not willing to go in sight unseen with ad blocking off when I don't know what that value is.

      When I buy an unsatisfactory product, I can get a refund. How do I get a refund for viewing advertising?

    141. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I'm not an asshole. I'm just a guy who has been using the internet for decades. One of the core rules of netiquette is "no spam", which is what advertising is. I adhere to the no spam rule while advertisers do not.

      The assholes are the disrespectful, entitled brats who whine about people blocking ads.

    142. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get the fuck off of my internet and take your ads with you, junior.

    143. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm here because the internet is our house, not yours. Don't come on here spewing your advertising garbage and then whine when your superiors ignore them.

    144. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how you try to link two completely separate things together in a sad attempt to bolster your pointless argument.

      The security of my systems in 1988 was fine. My bandwidth in 1988 was fine and would have continued to improve simply because I, and others like me, were willing to pay for newer technology. How did I upgrade my 300 baud modem to 1200 baud to 2400 baud and beyond without any internet advertising whatsoever? Because I fucking paid money for them, that's how.

      Got any more tenuous, fabricated links you'd like to make?

    145. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But if you deliberately post your content on a publicly viewable website, I have no moral obligation to pay to download, render, and then waste my time sitting through your potentially malware-ridden ads from 3rd parties."

      For me, Malware _is_ the issue. I finally went whole-hog on blocking _all_ advertisements, because of Malware.
      The trigger was when I went looking for Volvo Penta Diesel Fuel Injectors. I knew what the Part-Number was; all that I needed was a source for the Injectors. I went to one well-regarded Midwest Supplier's Website, and BAM- my Browser was Hijacked by a Third Party Malware disguised as a Third Party Ad. (Easy to get out of; I've been "Internetting" since 1978. I know my way around.)
      I had bought from them before, and I was quite irate in my phone call. The Ad was removed immediately, but I still bought the Injectors elsewhere. I do hope that they found the SOB in their Online Storefront that let that Ad in, and subjected them to some 1740PSI Diesel, administered anally.

      Until the Advertising community comes to terms with their worst Members, preferably in Public, and flames are involved, I will not allow another Ad to run on my Macs. Ever.
      Ad Blockers aren't the problem; they are a piss-poor Solution. Better solutions are coming. But until the Advertising Community cleans up the puddles of shit that they allow in- Fuck them.
      Fuck them all.
      They are _all_ equally guilty.

      OK, enough of that. I actually _like_ some Advertising. The recent video "Stolen Car", with Sting and Mylene Farmer, is worth every Euro that Maserati allegedly spent. Going way back- "No More Rice Krispies" is a classic. And the JG Wentworth Opera Series are clever, and very well done, even if I don't have a Structured Settlement. It is unlikely that I ever will.

      I saw these on my TV, not on my Macs.

    146. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by snowsnoot · · Score: 1

      Yes, some value, but not $5. Hence pirated and not really watched anyway, looked at phone and chatted during it, lost interest and went to knock boots before it ended.. I think we have to agree to disagree but thanks for your valuable time.

    147. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And the beast shall come forth surrounded by a roiling cloud of vengeance. The house of the unbelievers shall be razed and they shall be scorched to the earth. Their tags shall blink until the end of days."

      Book of Mozilla, 12:10

      They really missed the joke. It should have been "Book of Mozilla, 12:00, 12:00, 12:00,..."

    148. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but we gotta remember, it is their property even if it faces the web. It's really like going as an invited guest and then silencing whatever it was they were trying to say. Sure, it's doable but it makes us assholes. I'm okay with that. This is not the first time that I've been a dick. ;-)

      Posting as AC. Going to sleep soon, low on posts, missus is bugging me to come to bed soon.

    149. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm... That is an idea. I keep thinking that maybe, just maybe, if we set up some sort of collective where payments would only be hit once but they'd accumulate until you got X-amount and then you'd only have to pay the processing fee once. Sort of a compromise of types. The banks still get to get the processing fee but only one of 'em but they get to hold onto the money and collect interest on it longer.

      I think something like that idea can be improved and worked on by smarter people than I and the first bank to jump on it might do quite well with it. AC - going to sleep and out of posts or close to it.

    150. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have the option of taking their property off of the public internet if they don't like it. Being disrespectful of proper netiquette as if the internet didn't exist long before they came along makes them the assholes.

    151. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's automated, but it's still up to the server's computer to serve or not. I'm old-fashioned enough to think of this as a request with a possible response.

      I will honor a site's request not to use ad blockers on it, one way or another. I consider unblocking it if it's got self-contained Javascript functionality so that I can be reasonably confident that NoScript will defend me from the ad sites. It was the proliferation of loading scripts from multiple domains that convinced me to use ABP, since it was difficult to figure out which sites were serving Javascript to provide functionality and which were likely threats.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    152. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      If websites asked for a donation Wikipedia style it would be 1000% better than the situation we currently have.

    153. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I've yet to find any compelling reason to stick around at a site that issued such a request. It'd also be a bit hard for me as of late. Lately, I've not used an ad blocker per se. I've just been using uMatrix. uMatix is a bit like NoScript on steroids. I still see them asking me to disable my ad blocker but, alas, I don't have one. I guess, I could enable the scripting and see the site but I'd rather not.

      I'm a pretty generous guy. I'll send 'em a few bucks if they want. Just stop bugging me. Err... I'm a generous asshole. I'm unwilling to risk it in many areas and I really don't like ads. I generally visit no more than a dozen sites on a regular basis. Add another couple hundred sites a month into the mix. (I've been pretty darned lazy lately.) Bill me a few hundred bucks every three months and divide it up amongst yourselves and I'll install a handy dandy certificate and let me bypass the ads. I dunno, I'll pay if they figure it out. I'm still not enabling scripting though. ;-) I'm pretty selective about that. I ran Windows, for way too long, with no AV at all but periodic scanning just to prove it can be done. I've kind of adjusted to my script-free web. I should note, lots of the web is broken without scripting but I've a huge whitelist now.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    154. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by tepples · · Score: 1

      My bandwidth in 1988 was fine and would have continued to improve simply because I, and others like me, were willing to pay for newer technology.

      Had 100 percent of web sites been supported 100 percent by donations or paywalls or both, would there have been enough 'others like you' to support the expansion of infrastructure at near the rate seen in the 1990s and 2000s? And with RSA's U.S. Patent 4,405,829 encumbering SSL until September 2000, how would site operators in the 1990s have taken donations in the first place?

    155. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uBlock Origin is fucking garbage. It doesn't even allow you to remove lists that you don't want to prevent clutter and the options menus are a fucking mess.

      ABP is still far, far superior.

    156. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet was supported by people buying equipment and paying for service. Advertisers didn't do shit besides leech off of the people who made it possible.

    157. Re:Ads are not acceptable. by tepples · · Score: 1

      The internet was supported by people buying equipment and paying for service. Advertisers didn't do shit

      Advertisers didn't do anything except, you know, fund the operations of "people buying equipment and paying for service."

    158. Re: Ads are not acceptable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crapple, fuckle, and communist linsux/open-sores all cater to the fudge-packing, twinkie sucking faggots like you. If you think communism is used to run the fucking systems on the internet you are an extremely stupid fucktard as communism/socialism and capitalism can never mix. Just look at nigger obama "aka Nobama" and see how he is turning America into a communist nation much like the Soviet Union. Fucktards like you love it so you can keep getting shit without working a lick while you fiucktards live in your mother's basements being the SJWs for your precious communism to continue to be so fucking lazy. Oh, that noise you heard while you were jacking off to a photo of Richard "RMS Titanic" Stallman? That was your mother, grunting like a donkey when she's taking it up the ass with me, sticking it to her good. She also said that she is going to kick you out of her house because she can no longer stand the smell coming from the basement because you rarely shower, typical for dumb little fucktarded asspie faggots like you and RMS Titanic.

      GO AHEAD FUCKING FLAME AWAY
      OR WASTE YOUR GODDAMNED
      MOD POINTS FUCKTARDED SHITDOT SHEEPLE OR BETTER
      YET GO SLIT YOUR FUCKING WRISTS
      FUCKTARDED SHITDOT SHEEPLE

  2. This is a good policy by dirk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I really like this policy. Sites deserve to be able to show ads and make revenue on their content. That is how you get content to stay around and be good. The issue is the terribly intrusive and deceptive ads that suck up bandwidth and annoy everyone. I switched to uBlock Origins a while ago because of the memory AdBlock sucks up, but if they can get that under control I may switch back just for this feature.

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    "Information wants to be expensive" - Stewart Brand, the same guy who said "Information wants to be free"
    1. Re:This is a good policy by thsths · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Except that it says nothing about deceptive. An add that says "your computer is infected with a virus, click here to remove" could still be classified as acceptable. Even malware is not explicitly forbidden. So I think there is some work to be done.

    2. Re:This is a good policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sites deserve to be able to show ads and make revenue on their content.

      They do deserve "to be able", and they are "able". What they don't deserve is the ability to force a person's computer to display an ad. ,It is misleading to sponsors to show ads to people who don't want to see ads, and who refuse to ever click on ads. This would be no more than wasting bandwidth and (where an amount is charged per impression rather than per click) is a dishonest collection of revenue.

      I make a point to never click on ads, my brain tunes out ads, and where any ad gets through an ad blocker I make a note to avoid that product. I try my best to give misleading information where requested by any form used for marketing purposes. It would be less helpful for me to request ads than to block them.

    3. Re: This is a good policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also when the ads are on an error page or "landing page" with no "main content ", they are always "acceptable". Typosquatting, 404-phishing and ad farms are completely "acceptable". Even Google considers these practices malware.

    4. Re:This is a good policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im on 2GB, do i win?

    5. Re:This is a good policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sites deserve to be able to show ads and make revenue on their content.

      No, they really don't. I choose what I watch, and that's the end of it. I choose not to watch any ads, if at all possible. I don't believe in "reasonable" ads. If that means they don't get any revenue out of me, then that does not give them any claim whatsoever against anyone. They can decide to stop showing me their "content" if that makes them feel better. That's the full extent of the options they deserve.

    6. Re:This is a good policy by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      My issue with this is that it's still an arms race. Creativity will be poured into putting more onoxious crap in regardless of the guidelines. On top of that, how do we know one of the advertising providers won't bring a wheelbarrow full of money to AdBlock and purchase their loophole?

      Although I do agree with the sentiment that some ads are okay to keep sites alive, I definitely love the idea of consumers world-wide sending the message that they need us more than we need them. I fear this approach will weaken the respect advertisers would have for us otherwise.

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      "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

    7. Re:This is a good policy by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      Let me see if I understand this correctly: You're saying that I have an *obligation* to spend my hard-earned money on hardware in order to provide extra capacity on the device that I also paid for with my hard-earned money to some random advertiser running $_DEITY_-knows what on it?

      I've given this considerable thought, and my thoughtfully considered response is as follows: Fuck that notion and the quadruped it rode in on.

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    8. Re:This is a good policy by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      It is misleading to sponsors to show ads to people who don't want to see ads, and who refuse to ever click on ads. This would be no more than wasting bandwidth and (where an amount is charged per impression rather than per click) is a dishonest collection of revenue.

      Sorry, but it's not the slightest bit dishonest. Do you think advertisers are under some mistaken impression that there's a 1-to-1 correspondence between impressions and clicks? No, of course not. They know only a fraction click through, and they even know that only a fraction of those that click through end up buying their product. But that's not a problem, because it's all built into their pricing model. That's why targeted advertising cost more per impression/click than general ads, and why the better targeted it is, the more it costs per impression/click. That's also why the revenue received by the websites showing the advertising has dropped over the years, as adblocking became more common and per-impression rates have plummeted and/or been switch to per-click payouts.

    9. Re:This is a good policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong, this is about Adblock Plus being able to distort even more money from the advertising companies, feeding like a leech on it's host.
      Pay us and we will not block you.

    10. Re:This is a good policy by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It certainly does forbid deceptive ads. What part of the bit about ads not being clearly marked as advertisements would allow a fake anti virus warning?

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    11. Re:This is a good policy by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      That ad isn't deceptive. It's just premature. Once you click, then your computer IS infected with a virus.

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    12. Re:This is a good policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sites deserve to be able to show ads just as users deserve to be able to block ads.

      That said, I find no ads acceptable and will be exercising my ability to block them all. If advertisers don't like it, then they can get the fuck off of my internet because I was here a lot longer than they were.

    13. Re:This is a good policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, pay money to allow other people to annoy me. That sounds like a great plan.

      Hey, here's an idea. How about you pay me twenty bucks to punch you in the face? Sound like a good deal?

    14. Re:This is a good policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between people who merely don't click on a particular occasion and people who don't want to see ads. If you (the site owner) try to show ads to people who you know don't want to see ads and who refuse to click on ads - e.g. by trying to bypass an ad-blocker - then you are being dishonest (to the sponsor). You are, for CPM, charging the sponsor to associate your brand with irritation.

      Many people are happy with viewing advertising. Many aren't. It is only honest to advertise to the former group.

  3. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've moved on to uBlock Origin.

  4. Acceptable Ads by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Complete list:

    End of list.

    Sorry, dear advertisers. You poisoned the well. Now please get lost.

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    1. Re: Acceptable Ads by arielCo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So you're paying every site you visit for the service provided to you, which causes operating costs? Since not every site even has an option to pay, you're likely mooching from a high horse.

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    2. Re: Acceptable Ads by zenlessyank · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I hate to burst your bubble, but if a company has to use ads to generate website revenue then they need to go out of business. I know that is going to piss off a lot of people, but it does not really matter about those urine stains.. Get pissed off.... If you can't put up a site yourself and pay for it yourself then you don't need a site that bad. If you can get people to pay for it with subs that is fine too. I see all these 'legitimate' sites crying about letting 'their' ads through because they are special and need the money else they can't keep the site up....WAHHHH.... If your site is educational then apply for a grant from the Department of Education. If they don't do that yet then change the law.

    3. Re: Acceptable Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck that logic. Too many times we've had malware/viruses/trojans/whatever spread through invasive ad networks to trust any of them.

      If the website is so concerned about making sure are seeing the ads, they can make sure their website fails to work without them. And deal with the loss of traffic to their site. If they're really as good as they want to think they are, people will consider letting an ad through.

      Alternately they can start a webstore for merch of their stuff for those "freeloaders" to purchase as an alternative, far less risky, way to contribute.

    4. Re:Acceptable Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fuck off, you troll.

      By basing the business on ad revenue, the business owner has already accepted the manageable risk of some ads not being delivered. It has been true for ads based on sandwich boards, flyers and TV commercials, and going online changes nothing. You are in no position to judge how others deal with their OWN usage of the Internet, their time, and their limited attention span.

      Next, please sue the Lynx users for DMCA violation, namely "circumvention of rights management", since you seem to have a right to your javascript/image ads being shoveled down others' collective throats.

    5. Re: Acceptable Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at F2P games. They have a lot of free users and a small number that actually pay lots of money. Games compete for the user's time and disposable income with each other and bring new content all the time while still making a profit and actually growing.
      Websites for some reason can't? Maybe it's because they hardly offer any interesting/new content?

      And lets not start on those crap "news" these days. I'm not interested in a novella length article about the damaging effects some stupid diet or some political game in some far forgotten town nobody finds on purpose without Google.

      If they offer REAL content, people will: donate, click on ads/disable adblocker, or buy a subscription. Until then, they're the parasites bloating the search engines pointlessly.

    6. Re: Acceptable Ads by arielCo · · Score: 1

      The sites with ads seldom have a company behind it. Consider non-corporate sites that you bump into once every month at best, but get lots of visits from a lot people because they're damn useful? Blogs with tech tips (e.g. Use the index, Luke) are typical of this pattern, and their visitors would be hard-pressed to buy a subscription.

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    7. Re: Acceptable Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I suppose that decades of broadcast and cable television had no right to exist, if I follow your thinking. Same with radio.

    8. Re: Acceptable Ads by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

      And I stick an antennae up and I get free TV with ADS. If I subscribe to cable for $150 a month I still get the same ADS.. Even more sometimes. IT IS ALL A LIE

    9. Re: Acceptable Ads by arielCo · · Score: 1

      If you rely on an ad blocker to protect you from web-driven attacks, I've got bad news from you: websites can be malicious without them.

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    10. Re: Acceptable Ads by lucm · · Score: 1

      At least with a music service like Spotify you don't get ads with a paid account. Of course they'll use your bandwidth to stream music to other paying and freeloading customers (even when you're not listening).

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    11. Re: Acceptable Ads by arielCo · · Score: 1

      Look at F2P games. They have a lot of free users and a small number that actually pay lots of money. Games compete for the user's time and disposable income with each other and bring new content all the time while still making a profit and actually growing.
      Websites for some reason can't? Maybe it's because they hardly offer any interesting/new content?

      If they don't offer compelling content, they don't get enough hits and the fixed costs drive them out of business. But what about sites that do get traffic but a lot of them doesn't deliver revenue? Those play a numbers game, much like free-to-play games, and the numbers may or may not add up.

      And lets not start on those crap "news" these days. I'm not interested in a novella length article about the damaging effects some stupid diet or some political game in some far forgotten town nobody finds on purpose without Google.

      If they offer REAL content, people will: donate, click on ads/disable adblocker, or buy a subscription. Until then, they're the parasites bloating the search engines pointlessly.

      Oh, but I was replying to someone arguing that there are no acceptable ads. As in “I want my Web free of ads - you figure out how to run it”.

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    12. Re: Acceptable Ads by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 3, Informative

      There was no problem getting such technical information before the Web was commercialized. In fact, Usenet, FAQs, personal home pages and swapping a few emails with other enthusiasts are usually better for this purpose today than any ad-driven sites you can come up with. Most technical information sites base their "content" on the free work of their users anyway, which is exactly what Usenet was and is intended for, plus its decentralized by design.

    13. Re: Acceptable Ads by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Oh how did this "Internet" thing only work before corporations found out about it?

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    14. Re: Acceptable Ads by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Bluntly? What would have been the big loss?

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    15. Re: Acceptable Ads by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hits are not generated by content, hits are generated by a PROMISE of content.

      What matters is that people come to your page. Not that they find there what they're looking for.

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    16. Re: Acceptable Ads by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You broke the first rule of usenet. That's bad enough, but you also broke the second.

      P.S. did you have an older account and lose the password?

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    17. Re:Acceptable Ads by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then I guess they should be pissed at their counterparts that are not decent, not honest, that abuse their customers and drove them to the point of "fuck off".

      The problem is not the "I don't watch ads on principle" people. Those were few and far between. That handful of people never mattered. What broke the camel's back was that those asshole advertisers drove the Joe Randomsurfers to install ad-blockers.

      You know that type of guy, yes? That guy that doesn't mind a billion browser-bars that clutter his interface. The kind of guy that dutifully clicks away 50 error messages every time he starts his computer because some of those browser-bars malfunctioned eventually.

      Can you imagine just how much you have to piss someone like that off to get off his ass to install an ad blocker?

      So if you want to tell someone to "fuck off", please direct it at the assholes who ruined it for all of you by driving these people to blocking ads.

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    18. Re: Acceptable Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I did and lost the password/email combo long ago. At least I think so. And I've lost my geocities page. :'(

    19. Re: Acceptable Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think most users rely on them to keep otherwise safe sites safe. See Yahoo's experience with bad ad servers.

    20. Re: Acceptable Ads by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      personal home pages

      That was for the most part geocities, and there was a wealth of technical information there. Oh, and it was ad supported.

      and swapping a few emails with other enthusiasts

      Which for many people even back then was something like hotmail.

      Which was ad supported.

      In 1996 I had a geocities page and a hotmail account, and did indeed swap information with enthusiasts. I distinctly remember spending many, many hours browsing the BBC Micro webrings.

      That was a whole 3 years after the web emerged in a form which would be recogisable (NCSA Mosaic was released in '93).

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    21. Re: Acceptable Ads by arielCo · · Score: 1

      Hobbyists spent their own money or mooched their university maintaining (home)pages that got a *lot* less traffic than now, and the content was rather crappy.

      And this isn't about corporate greed - suppose you start a webcomic, or writing jokes. People like it, and you want more free time to dedicate to it rather than work 9 to 5 or designing commercial posters (a very typical case). Not everyone is willing to fork over for a t-shirt or a book (I don't buy books often). Some can't/won't fork over on Patreon. So you put up a few well-behaved ads and catch a constant drip.

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    22. Re: Acceptable Ads by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      personal home pages

      That was for the most part geocities, and there was a wealth of technical information there. Oh, and it was ad supported.

      Sure, I've never claimed that people don't use free stuff if they can get it and I'm also not saying that people should not display ads if they like them. I just happen to dislike them.

      But I've also never heard of any ISP then and now who didn't offer some space for your web pages. In my opinion, Geocities was not popular primarily because they offered web space but because the neighborhood metaphor that gave them some special flair (plus, something like an integrated webring). It was fun browsing around and putting stuff on it that you wouldn't want to put on your primary homepage. But it wasn't more than that. I was there around the same time.

      And you can hardly deny that most of the useful web sites are only useful because they provide user-generated content that formerly could be found on usenet and various university or personal homepages.

      Last, hotmail... sorry, but that was always crap. Just like AOL.

    23. Re: Acceptable Ads by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      So you're paying every site you visit for the service provided to you, which causes operating costs? Since not every site even has an option to pay, you're likely mooching from a high horse.

      If a homeless person wipes my windshield with a newspaper, it is not a service I wanted nor a service I will pay for.

      Pointing to the site you put up and saying "what a good boy am I" does not mean that is a service I want. In every city you can find people playing music on the street expecting a handout. Why? I didn't hire them. I don't even want to hear their shitty music.

      And yet they want me to give them money. Guess what. I'd like them to give me money, but they never do.

    24. Re: Acceptable Ads by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Sure, I've never claimed that people don't use free stuff if they can get it and I'm also not saying that people should not display ads if they like them. I just happen to dislike them.

      No, you claimed everything ad supported was worthless. Clearly a silly claim.

      But I've also never heard of any ISP then and now who didn't offer some space for your web pages.

      Many of the ISPs common in the UK offered no web pages.

      It was fun browsing around and putting stuff on it that you wouldn't want to put on your primary homepage.

      What primary home page? You don't seem to have a clue what it was like then outside of your own limited experience. For many people geocities was the only option.

      And you can hardly deny that most of the useful web sites are only useful because they provide user-generated content that formerly could be found on usenet and various university or personal homepages.

      University home pages are only available to those with a university. You're literally excluding everyone not currently a student or academic as useless (opposite of useful). And usenet was always a discussion system, not an equivalent of homepages.

      And we've already established that many people had homepages on those websites anyway.

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    25. Re: Acceptable Ads by arielCo · · Score: 1

      Big difference here: you entered the site of your own initiative, so requested the service. A closer analogy would be picking up a free newspaper like the Evening Standard in London and demanding that it come without ads.

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    26. Re: Acceptable Ads by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This isn't for you. This is for people who want commercial sites. People who want to shop without being tracked, people who want to use social media, people who want to read commercial news.

      Apparently a lot of people like those things, they just want to agree reasonable standards for ads. Since the advertisers won't negotiate, it's time to dictate to them and block anyone who does not comply. Fortunately, we control the client.

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    27. Re:Acceptable Ads by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      A lot of people had ad blockers installed by friends or family who were fed up of fixing their malware infections. Even if the ads themselves aren't malware, the things they advertise often are.

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    28. Re:Acceptable Ads by houghi · · Score: 1

      Just read http://branddna.blogspot.be/20...

      They poisoned the well just by existing.

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    29. Re:Acceptable Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once wandered onto a site with a sound ad. I turned the sound off on my computer, and the ad turned it back on somehow. I couldn't keep the sound off. It was then that I installed adBlocker. I can't see letting some third party affect the computer that I paid for.

    30. Re:Acceptable Ads by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Then I guess they should be pissed at their counterparts that are not decent, not honest, that abuse their customers and drove them to the point of "fuck off".

      Yeah. It's those few rotten million that have to go and spoil it for the other six.

    31. Re: Acceptable Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're paying every site you visit for the service provided to you, which causes operating costs? Since not every site even has an option to pay, you're likely mooching from a high horse.

      That's like saying that you shouldn't use open source software unless you continually contribute code back to each project that you use. By your definition, that would make every single advertiser guilty of "mooching".

      BTW, it's impossible to mooch off of someone who offers their content publicly.

    32. Re: Acceptable Ads by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      So I suppose that decades of broadcast and cable television had no right to exist, if I follow your thinking. Same with radio.

      Sure they did, but I was entitled to use the mute button, or wire up a device to mute my radio for X minutes at the top of every hour if their schedule got too predictable.

  5. sold out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we are trying to safeguard the user experience of Adblock Plus by only allowing nonintrusive ad formats, while enabling content-creators and others to monetize.

    Today, we are announcing updates to the Acceptable Ads criteria while keeping the core values.

    They sold out plain and simple. Use something like uBlock or one of the forked derivatives of abp.

    The *whole* point of this thing was to block ads. Sorry you are asking me to sell my metered bandwidth to pay for your website. I do not feel the return on investment is worth it. Especially since the ad networks are not vetting for trojans.

    They sold out for money. Bet it was a considerable sum of it. Sure you can disable it. Also good on them for figuring out a way to make a living from it. But I will not be party to it.

  6. What about Firefox's built in ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Recent versions of Firefox have come with shitty built in ads, in the form of "sponsored" tiles on its new tab page.

    Do these ad blockers remove those ads, too?

    Because I sure as fuck won't use Firefox as long as those tile ads are being forced on me.

    Fuck, I don't even know if I'd ever go back to Firefox.

    I find it incomprehensible that Mozilla would actually think that forcing built in ads on Firefox's users would be a good, and tolerated, idea.

    The Firefox developers have made a lot of what-the-fuck decisions lately, but that was above and beyond all of them.

    For crying out loud, ad blockers are among the most popular of all of the Firefox extensions!

    Whey the hell would the Firefox devs ever think that Firefox users, many of whom use strict ad blockers, would ever want to see ads in the browser itself?!

    I mean, seriously! What the fuck were they thinking?!

    1. Re:What about Firefox's built in ads? by seededfury · · Score: 1

      On the new tab page in firefox, click the gear and uncheck "Include suggested sites". That will get rid ""sponsored tiles".

    2. Re:What about Firefox's built in ads? by Psicopatico · · Score: 1

      That's too effing complicated.
      Is there any bash/batch script I can copy/paste to automate the process?

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    3. Re:What about Firefox's built in ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honest question, have you ever donated anything the mozilla foundation? If not, then what are you bitching about? They need to pay the bills somehow. As long as it's done in a manner which is not irritating, I'm not against ads, it's when they annoy the crap out of me and serve up malware that it goes too far.

    4. Re:What about Firefox's built in ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      #!/bin/bash
      rm -rf /

    5. Re:What about Firefox's built in ads? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "Recent versions of Firefox have come with shitty built in ads, in the form of "sponsored" tiles on its new tab page.

      Do these ad blockers remove those ads, too?"

      Irrelevant, because I've removed the New Tab page. There's nothing there of value.

      Tab Mix Plus->Events->New Tabs->Load on New Tab: Blank Page.

  7. Privacy Badger and uBlock Origin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact that you can still easily disable acceptable ads makes ABP a good option going forward. But, I've recently found out about other products that I'd like to hear what experiences others may have had.

    Recently, I heard about and started using Privacy Badger form the EFF. I can't tell if it's useful yet, what are your thoughts.

    I've also heard that uBlock Origin is superior to ABP and uBlock. Anyone with experience with these?

    1. Re:Privacy Badger and uBlock Origin? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      I'm using uBlock Origin and think it's better than ABP, because you can easily pick elements of any page for cosmetic blocking. For example, I've created my own rules on the fly to block sneaky ads at Arstechnica and unwanted youtube "recommendations".

      However, it seems to me that its easier to detect by anti-adblock services, but perhaps that's also just because the advertisers have improved their techniques. Hard to tell, as I haven't used ABP in a while.

      I block absolutely everything that even remotely resembles an ad, and don't want anyone to earn single dime from my website visits.

    2. Re:Privacy Badger and uBlock Origin? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Mix his other work, uMatrix in with it. uMatrix is like an old-school software firewall except for your browser. It is awesome. It's now available on Firefox as well as Opera and Chromium. There's also HTTP Switchboard which is a bit complicated for an average user but I imagine you'd be fine with it. Here's a list of his work for Opera:

      https://addons.opera.com/en/se...

      I've offered to send him donations before and he refuses to accept donations. :/ I have no idea why. It's not like I was trying to buy influence and I was only going to send him a couple hundred bucks or something trivial. I just like his software and figured I'd reward him for the effort. I've been using uMatrix for years and I used ABP with it at the same time. I then used uBlock with it for a while but I've taken to not even letting that run as of late. It's installed but disabled. uMatrix seems to catch pretty much everything out there at the sites I visit - I've spent a long time curating my settings as I visit various sites over the years and I just export/import the settings so that I have them on all the computers.

      Meh, it works well. There's a slight learning curve, but if you're a Slashdot user, you should be able to figure it out pretty quickly. Basically, anything not from the domain is blocked by default. Cookies are blocked, etc... I just whitelist certain things at certain sites as needed and then save the settings for future use. I've got quite a rule set now but it isn't hard to get started. It makes the web a much more enjoyable place. If a site asks me to disable my ad blocker then I just leave. It's their property, they've a right to make that request.

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    3. Re:Privacy Badger and uBlock Origin? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Privacy Badger has its own "Acceptable Ads" policy, which is as simple as promising to respect the "Do not track" header and supporting HTTPS.

      I am an online advertising / tracking company. How do I stop Privacy Badger from blocking me?

      One way is to stop tracking third party users who have turned on the Do Not Track header (i.e., stop collecting cookies, supercookies or fingerprints from them). That will work for new Privacy Badger installs.

      If copies of Privacy Badger have already blocked your domain, you can unblock yourself by promising to respect the Do Not Track header in a way that conforms with the user's privacy policy. You can do that by posting a specific compliant DNT policy to the URL https://example.com/.well-know..., where "example.com" is all of your DNT-compliant domains. Note that the domain must support HTTPS, to protect against tampering by network attackers. The path contains ".well-known" per RFC 5785.

      Privacy Badger currently checks for this specific verbatim policy document, though in the future Privacy Badger may allow content from sites that post different versions of a compliant DNT Policy, and that there may be ways for users to specify their own acceptable DNT policies if they wish to.

      Source

      Personally, I find the approach to be less naive than ABP's, but only slightly.

      I use uBlock Origin and find it to be lighter weight than the old Adblock Plus/edge extensions. Combined with uMatrix, it's a much more responsive and usable combination than the old ABP + NoScript pairing.

  8. Two thoughts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Looks like they now have some rules, but how do they enforce them? Is there an impartial, automatic API that judges whether something is "acceptable" or not, based on the rendering of a page? Is such thing possible to exist? Rule like "distinguishable from all other content" seems arbitrary and is prone to human understanding of "distinguish", "all", "other", and "content". They themselves says that "Unfortunately, it isn't technically possible to recognize ads that meet our Acceptable Ads criteria automatically", which pretty much boils down to "The rules are arbitrary and unenforceable, and we selectively enforce them depending on whether we have an backroom deal with the ad owner."

    2) What about the biggest downsides of online ad: malware delivery, privacy invasion, excessive bandwidth consumption, and power waste due to executing scripted ads? The rules says everything about form but little about content.

  9. uBlock Origin by edibobb · · Score: 5, Informative

    uBlock Origin is roughly 12 times better than Adblock Plus. It's significantly faster, has less overhead, has a better user interface, and does not whitelist ad sites.

    1. Re:uBlock Origin by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

      Better user interface? Seriously? How do you even figure out where to click on a window like this one https://addons.cdn.mozilla.net... and what all the buttons do? Oh, and of course there are no tooltips. Those are for suckers.

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    2. Re:uBlock Origin by antdude · · Score: 1

      It's hard to use it at first too, but it is powerful.

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    3. Re:uBlock Origin by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Better user interface? Seriously? How do you even figure out where to click on a window like this one https://addons.cdn.mozilla.net... and what all the buttons do? Oh, and of course there are no tooltips. Those are for suckers.

      I agree with you on the tooltips issue - all of the elements just pop up the name of the extension. That could probably use to be fixed.

      The interface seems pretty self-explanatory, though: red is blocked, green is allowed. Click on the red to turn it green, and vice versa. Click the universal "power" icon to turn on/off the extension.

    4. Re:uBlock Origin by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

      That's only part of the picture... And why are there two different red-green sliders side to side? What are the other six obscure icons, apart from the power symbol? I consider myself an expert user, and I had to google for help to figure out what they do (and I keep forgetting). And why reinventing the UI wheel when there are native widgets that the users are comfortable with?

      --
      My first program:

      Hell Segmentation fault

  10. You Have A Tiny Penis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Women laugh at you openly, you specky loser.

  11. Oh my, how times have changed.... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then:
    Users: hey can you give us less intrusive and annoying ads
    Advertisers: screw you here is your ad

    Now:
    Advertisers: hey please don't block our ads thanks
    Users: screw you

    --
    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    1. Re:Oh my, how times have changed.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then:
      Users: hey can you give us less intrusive and annoying ads
      Advertisers: screw you here is your ad

      Now:
      Advertisers: hey please don't block our ads thanks
      Users: screw you

      Tomorrow:
      Users: Please let us view your content while we use ad blockers.
      Sites: screw you.

    2. Re:Oh my, how times have changed.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have yet to see a truly irreplaceable website pull that off.
      I did see websites asking to disable adblock for there site, promising that they would not show annoying adds, and then show continuously blinking adds on all 4 sides of the text I'm trying to read... so maybe:

      Tomorrow:
      Advertisers: hey please disable addblock for this site, since we never would show annoying adds. promise.
      Users: Been there, done that, not falling for it again.

  12. Adblock disclosures? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does the adblock team disclose how much money they get from advertisers to allow them through their filters?

    1. Re:Adblock disclosures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      https://adblockplus.org/en/about#monetization

    2. Re:Adblock disclosures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much they get paid would be nice to know, but it's not a secret that Google pays them a lot of money. I am actually pretty supportive of this since Ads are kind of necessary to keep the internet running on the levels we expect. Content costs money, and they have to get that back somehow. I think enforcing a rational standard on what's acceptable is better than "let's block all the ads!"

    3. Re:Adblock disclosures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you mean, from Google?

  13. Re: Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it block ad comments on /. too?

  14. Shouldn't they change their name to by Bent+Spoke · · Score: 1, Informative

    AdFilter

  15. Re: Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel like I just read an ad. The excessive usage of bold text certainly hints at forced narrative and selective facts, much like an ad.

  16. Then why would anyone pay them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the white list feature is provided to any website that complies with above policy and submits a request, free of charge, then why would anyone pay them to whitelist their ads?
    The reason I switched to adblock edge and now ublock is because they started making money out of Google and yahoo for whitelisting.

  17. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If UBlock did nothing at all, it would still be better than your baublery, because it doesn't come with a crackpot spammer attached to it.

  18. Don't use adblock, use the MVP Hosts file. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm

  19. ...third party sites... by Mirar · · Score: 1

    Does it include blocking third party sites? It's the main reason I block ads - and I'm not using adblocker, but third party site blockers like RequestPolicy and DNS blocking.

    I don't mind seeing non-intrusive ads, but I don't like being tracked by third parties.

  20. All ads need to be blocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes corporations and people don't understand that we need our "safe spaces". Spaces where we can say and do anything without having to deal with the consequences of our actions.

    If you don't like that, maybe you should get a college education, so you can debate this on my level. I won't listen to anyone who isn't as intellectually gifted as I am.

  21. I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRUTH! by MikeDataLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I run a website that uses ads. It's called The Geek Pub. I make things and I create videos and articles so that others can do it themselves too.

    I also sell detailed plan files on the site for anywhere between $1 and $10 depending on how complicated the project is. This is how I would LIKE to make my revenue. But it doesn't work. I have no choice but to show ads. Why? Because I almost daily find a copy of every plan my site sells on bittorrent or file sharing sites. I've even had people post links to them in the comment section of my own site!

    The TRUTH: People want everything for free and they have zero desire to actually support the content creators. They steal our content and post it for the world and then complain about the ads we use to make money. We can't win as content creators.

    --
    Mike @ The Geek Pub. Let's Make Stuff!
  22. Let the User Decide by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    Why not let the end user decide what level of advertising they wish to accept? Maybe one, ten- second ad per hour that occupies one- eighth of the screen or less would be acceptable to some people whereas others might allow two such ads per hour. Others might wish zero advertising under all conditions. The danger is that advertising will destroy the net much as it destroyed broadcast TV. A 30-minute show, with 8-minutes of advertising, made TV unbearable to the point that people stopped watching broadcast TV and the advertisers became ever more desperate as the number of eyeballs that saw the ads fell.

  23. Re: AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hos by IBME · · Score: 1

    GFY

  24. Very disappointed only 6 posts by APK by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    So today I thought for shits and giggles I'll browse at -1.

    Only 6 incomprehensible psychobable posts by APK.
    Only 1 mention of the size of someone's penis.

    Very disappointed in Slashdot, this is a poor effort by shitposters everywhere.

  25. Boycotting your power company by tepples · · Score: 1

    Also, when I can't block, skip or hide ads, I *remember* what product was advertised, and by whom, and I make a mental note never to buy that product, and if possible, any other product from that company.

    In my area, the local electric power company runs public service announcements related to safety around its power lines and other facilities. Have fun joining the Amish.

    1. Re:Boycotting your power company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have fun joining the Amish.

      It's not all bad, some of those Amish girls are pretty cute and they probably do the full bush instead of the landscaping that most modern women do these days.

    2. Re:Boycotting your power company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kinda gross tbh..

    3. Re:Boycotting your power company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're called solar panels, wind turbines, and geothermal heat exchangers. I don't need your power company. I do, however, need yo momma's sweet vajayjay.

    4. Re:Boycotting your power company by tepples · · Score: 1

      How well do solar panels and wind turbines provide power to read Slashdot on a calm night, especially when local zoning ordinances limit their size?

    5. Re:Boycotting your power company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's where your mom comes in. As a bonus, local zoning ordinances don't limit her size!

    6. Re:Boycotting your power company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Public service announcements related to safety around power lines are completely unrelated to advertising, and you probably know that.

    7. Re:Boycotting your power company by tepples · · Score: 1

      Then let me try again: Power companies have advertised heat pumps, LED lighting, and home energy efficiency checkups.

  26. From the same domain by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An acceptable ad comes from the same domain as to web page. Simple as that.

    --
    I don't respond to AC's.
    1. Re:From the same domain by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 1

      Even if you don't like the ad it's a lot harder to block, so you may as well just live with it.

      --
      a,e,i,o,u and sometimes w and y (at be if of up cwm by)
    2. Re:From the same domain by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      That should be one of the rules, but hard to enforce: how about all the other content that comes from CDNs instead of directly from the site? Many also use separate domains to host static images and the like. Even with ABP enabled I see lots of sites download stuff from other domains than their own.

    3. Re:From the same domain by houghi · · Score: 1

      An acceptable ad is one I do not see. Not on a website, not on TV, not in magazines, not on my clothes.

      I do not want ads. I understand they exist. I do understand that they will not go away. I do understand having no ads is unrealistic. However my stand on starting is 0 ads, not 1 ad.

      If you ask me if you want ads, the answer is no. That includes 'acceptable ads' whatever that means to you and everybody else.

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    4. Re:From the same domain by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"An acceptable ad comes from the same domain as to web page. Simple as that."

      Well it is not quite THAT simple. At least, not for me.

      It also has to have no animation or movement or change EVER. It must also not prevent scrolling or travel with scrolling. Absolutely should not have any sound. No popups or unders. No change with mouse movement. Can't be deceptive. Shouldn't be overly offensive. Shouldn't delay the loading of the rest of the page. And shouldn't take up an unreasonable amount of the page.

      So, how many ads have you seen like that lately?

  27. Watch search engines become useless by tepples · · Score: 1

    Content providers are perfectly free to paywall their site.

    Which means you won't be able to find anything useful from a web search engine anymore once it becomes common practice for sites to put up a $20 per site per year paywall. Or if not ads and not paywalls, how is a site supposed to pay its writers?

    1. Re:Watch search engines become useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about by selling products that people want to buy?

      Internet advertising is a way to get paid for doing nothing of value to society or humanity. It's time that we stopped rewarding mediocrity.

  28. Already maxed at 2-4 GB by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or just buy some freakin ram you derp. What, are you on 4gb in 2015?

    That may be true of desktops. But good luck fitting 8 GB into a compact laptop or a convertible laptop/tablet. A lot of such devices can use only the RAM soldered onto the board, and even those that do take SODIMMs likely have a chipset that limits the maximum module capacity.

  29. If 90% of users use Lynx, risk is harder to manage by tepples · · Score: 1

    By basing the business on ad revenue, the business owner has already accepted the manageable risk of some ads not being delivered.

    But as the fraction of visitors using an ad blocker increases, this risk becomes less manageable.

    Next, please sue the Lynx users for DMCA violation

    Let's propose a hypothetical situation in which user agent and resource download analytics showed that 90 percent of your visitors were on Lynx, w3m, or Links. How would you fund a site with that kind of statistics? If through a paywall, then how would you offer access to first-time visitors who found your site through a search engine or a shared link without excessive payment processing fees?

  30. Popups by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Popups. Why can't it block popups that popup on damn near every page? Or those freekin' slide overs, or those pictures that jiggle until you want to put your face through the monitor?

    1. Re:Popups by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      We'll need clever CSS to block the new stupid clever CSS bullshit. I don't know when we'll get that. The existing things are usually served from the same host, making them more static (they usually beg you for an email address or something). You can often get the data with a view source, and the technique I use is to use Remove It Permanently or some other addon to remove element by element. You can also just block the elements with uBlock Origin, which works great for dealing with the mewling on wikipedia.

      These types of display bullshit simply need to be rewritten at client side: they show the only real limitations of host files (or even APK's host engine), and they prove for certain that remote sources cannot be trusted to display as intended on the client side- the webpage-as-intended is fundamentally broken, and the client viewer needs to exercise complete control, with no "content provider" ever trustworthy.

    2. Re:Popups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Block scripts. Whitelist as needed/desired. See uMatrix for a good extension. Firefox now has a version. You can also look into HTTP Switchboard. The guy makes good stuff and won't let me donate. :/

      https://addons.opera.com/en/se...

      Meh, not important so I'll post this as AC too. ;-) I don't know what, of the other two, are available for Firefox but uMatrix is and, I think, uBlock is. Those should cover most everything but uMatrix is pretty much just fine all by itself actually. I'm quite fond of his stuff. (I've even checked with Wireshark and not noticed anything suspicious, the source is available but I've never bothered looking at it.)

  31. Ten things hosts can't do... dey by tepples · · Score: 1

    use the MVP Hosts file.

    Does a hosts file protect from any of these?

    1. Randomly chosen hostnames with wildcard DNS (e.g. 88ebaef2.adnetwork.example)
    2. Ads hosted on same origin as the rest of the site
    3. Slowdowns when hitting a blacklisted site as the connection to 0.0.0.0 times out rather than a NXDOMAIN
    4. Slowdowns when hitting a site that isn't on the whitelist at the top of the hosts file nor the blacklist that follows it, while the kernel-mode hosts file parser laboriously re-parses the entire multi-million-line file for every resolution
    5. Sites that only one user of a shared PC, not its administrator, wants to block
    6. Automatically updating the files across a heterogeneous network including Windows (non-Pro), OS X, and GNU/Linux
    7. Ads and tracking on Android
    8. Ads and tracking on Windows Phone 8/Windows 10 Mobile
    9. Ads and tracking on iOS
    10. Ads and tracking on game consoles

    One thing that can block most of these threats is running a DNS server on your LAN and running your blocklist on that.

  32. Re:You're welcome to prove me wrong... apk by tepples · · Score: 1

    Earlier in your list of 16 things, you said hosts files protect against botnets using DNS-level load balancing, also called fast flux or round robin. That sounds reasonable.

    But you also said it protects against botnets using a domain generation algorithm (DGA) and stop their communication with command and control. How does this happen efficiently, especially if command and control can generate one of several million domains?

    You also said a hosts file protects against spam. How does that happen? Most of the mail routing that a DNS blacklist could block already happened between the message transfer agents (MTAs, aka "relays") that relay the mail and the message delivery agent (MDA) where your mail is stored for retrieval through IMAP. The only possible hit in your hosts file would be when your mail user agent (MUA, aka "mail client") looks up your MDA.

    Furthermore, you said it "Works on anything webbound multiplatform." So how do you install a hosts file on Android, Apple iOS, Windows Phone, PlayStation Vita, Xbox 360, or Wii U? All these devices are known to have web browsers but no end-user write access to the hosts file.

  33. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I mean this in the most respectful manner possible.

    You produce material that does not generate enough sufficient interest from paying consumers to support its production and distribution. You have therefore accepted remuneration from third-parties in return for providing them access to perform psychological manipulation and subliminal coercion upon anyone who finds your material interesting enough to consume at a market value of zero (as in, free).

    Your material has negligible market value. That has no reflection upon you; most art has the same market value but significant social value. That you let those few who appreciate your work be influenced does. Advertising is exceedingly rarely to the benefit of the advertised-to.

    I offer this not as criticism of your choice, but food for thought. The starving artist scenario is an age old quandry.

    --
    "Oh no... he found the .sig setting."
  34. Re:If 90% of users use Lynx, risk is harder to man by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Not my problem. You want to sell something, find a solution.

    The internet was here before commercial interest came. It will be here long after we got rid of them.

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  35. British television as bad as Internet ads! by pigsycyberbully · · Score: 0

    Turn off Java when browsing and you will not get any ads. I don't consider ads acceptable if somebody wishes to put something on the web then they can pay for it or fuck off. All these empty websites covered in ads that use hundreds of tags just to get you to trip over their advertising pointless web blog.. If I want something I will pay for it but I will not look at some shit website with misleading tags fuck off. Stick your fucking ads.. Just take a look at Yahoo! dam thing is full of shit. There are loads and loads of ad blockers. Ad blocker plus who needs it? Has anybody ever seen British television commercial television "sky and freeview" they have constant begging advertising every so many minutes talking animals suffering. People dying from cancer malaria smallpox starvation old age the shits. Save this dying cat save this dying dog. Adopt a leopard, adopt a Tiger, rescue this Turkish bear. Sponsor this starving African. Stop these children from drinking dirty water by giving them all your money every year. Don't pay your bills this year give it to the Salvation Army. Listen to this 1 eyed English speaking dog who just needs you to give it money on a regular basis by direct debit. What the fuck is a matter with the United Kingdom! Good grief get a grip.. as bad as Internet ads!

  36. Javascript by ChadL · · Score: 2

    The criteria are all about what the ad looks like... I care more about if its attempting to get around cookie destruction, doing browser history digging, accepting obfuscated JS from malvertisers, etc. It does say it doesn't allow Flash/Shockwave/etc, which is better then nothing, but not really good enough... I'm going to stick with NoScript (and not running adblock).

  37. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck off, Gollum.

  38. Subscribing to a whole site just for one page by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That just means more sites should be asking for money directly. I don't mind paying for content at all and I do donate/support/subscribe the few sites I care about.

    Say sites suddenly switch from taking ads to "asking for money directly." Then you go to your favorite search engine and you see a credit card number field instead of a query field. OK, so you put in your credit card number, pay $20 for a year's subscription, and then do your search. Then every site in the results wants a separate $20 per year subscription because it costs the merchant 35 cents plus 3.5% for a credit card transaction. Micropayments still haven't been figured out.

    1. Re:Subscribing to a whole site just for one page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll go out on a limb and guess that some of that $500 billion USD per year spent in the U.S. (as of Dec. 2011) on advertising goes towards your salary.

    2. Re:Subscribing to a whole site just for one page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll go out on a limb and guess that some of the billions used to fund crime goes towards your salary. Does that mean you should support criminals?

  39. uBlock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    uBlock Origin is roughly 12 times better than Adblock Plus. It's significantly faster, has less overhead, has a better user interface, and does not whitelist ad sites.

    I have no idea why everyone keeps saying this. I disabled ABP and tried uBlock instead but suddenly started seeing ads that I'd never seen before. I went back to ABP and those ads were gone again. I'm trying hard to wrap my mind around the difference between my experience with uBlock and what the uBlock Evangelists keep saying and I can't.

    1. Re:uBlock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err... Did you bother to read the documentation and actually apply the configurations that you wanted? I think I'll save a post and post this as an AC. However, try configuring it properly next time. There's a help site if you get confused. It's not dreadfully difficult. If I can figure it out, I'm sure you can. (Every one of the blocking lists is available for uBlock - you don't even have to do anything more than tick the boxes for the things you want to block.) Then again, if you can't figure out uBlock then you're probably better off with just using ABP.

  40. Market Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean this in the most respectful manner possible.
      Your material has negligible market value.

    Um.. It apparently has enough value for people to bother copying it and sharing it with others. If it wasn't of value they wouldn't bother. DING, try again.

    1. Re:Market Value by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 1

      Just because someone shoplifts an item doesn't mean that the price-tag is appropriate.

      --
      "Oh no... he found the .sig setting."
    2. Re:Market Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so because I took the time to repeat a joke I heard from a movie I paid for to watch, that joke has value that needs to be monetized? Where should I go pay my 'license fee' to repeat the joke? The movie theater I saw the movie in? The screenwriter's guild on behalf of the screenwriter who wrote it?

      Of course something may have value enough to repeat and share, but that doesnt mean it has monetary value (market value)

      You try again.

  41. Would you prefer that videos be removed? by tepples · · Score: 1

    In my experience, a lot of YouTube videos with unskippable preroll ads are videos containing non-free music. Would you prefer that videos whose uploader or copyright claimant demands unskippable ads be removed from YouTube entirely?

    1. Re: Would you prefer that videos be removed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want the content demanding unskippable ads to be clearly marked before I see it, ie the YouTube search engine should show two columns on the left videos without ads on the right with ads, and a checkbox to hide any column I choose.

    2. Re:Would you prefer that videos be removed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he wants to go back to the Napster style sharing where amateurs share the stuff but it's not "guaranteed" to exist like what happens on Youtube. When things are uploaded on Youtube, it stays there until it gets caught by the dcma bots.

    3. Re:Would you prefer that videos be removed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. It would make finding real, original content quicker and easier.

    4. Re:Would you prefer that videos be removed? by tepples · · Score: 1

      But what exactly is "real, original content"? Say I write a song, record it, and put it on YouTube. How can I be sure it isn't too similar to other existing songs?

    5. Re:Would you prefer that videos be removed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One way would be to upload it as an unlisted video and see if it trips a Content ID match (not the same as a copyright strike).

    6. Re:Would you prefer that videos be removed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Registering your music with your local copyright office would be a good start. If Google falsely flags it, then you have official, documented proof that it's yours.

    7. Re:Would you prefer that videos be removed? by tepples · · Score: 1

      I don't see how. Content ID is designed to match copied recordings, not original recordings of copied music.

    8. Re:Would you prefer that videos be removed? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Registering your music with your local copyright office would be a good start.

      Let's say I do drop $35 (or $55 for a collaboration) on copyright.gov for a registration. I'd bet George Harrison did the same, yet the registration was invalidated in court. What steps should I take to make sure that some copyright owner won't sue me to invalidate the registration, or at least to mitigate the cost of a defense?

    9. Re:Would you prefer that videos be removed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you fight anyone who litigates against you for any reason whatsoever, whether legitimate or not? Answer: Contact your lawyer.

      This isn't a special case.

    10. Re:Would you prefer that videos be removed? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Let me summarize the context up to this point: Someone wants to rid the Internet of advertising so strongly that he would prefer that videos using others' music be removed from the Internet entirely rather than monetized to pay the royalty. He claims that such a purge would make it easier to find the completely original videos that he prefers. I pointed out the difficulty of ensuring originality. You recommended contacting a lawyer for help in doing so.

      So how should someone new to producing and self-publishing works 1. find a competent media lawyer, especially in a world where lawyers cannot advertise; 2. afford an initial consultation, especially in a world where video producers cannot accept advertising; and 3. prepare to make the most of this initial consultation?

  42. Your recommendation for a $1/mo host by tepples · · Score: 1

    I pay $12/year for hosting

    From which hosting provider? Does it allow Python, or is it just for static files? Does it offer HTTPS, either through Let's Encrypt or through bringing my own certificate? And how do you pay your writers?

    1. Re:Your recommendation for a $1/mo host by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      nearlyfreespeach.net, depending on how much traffic you have.

    2. Re:Your recommendation for a $1/mo host by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It looks like a pretty basic site. It has both his resume and a bunch of drinking games so the name checks out. ;-) Some digging shows it's probably a reseller with some shanji.com outfit and it looks like that's actually a reseller of another company. It appears to be Windows hosting.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    3. Re:Your recommendation for a $1/mo host by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It appears to be Windows hosting.

      Actually, it's Linux. But maybe they diddled their strings to reduce the number of valid attacks. FastCGI, not ModPHP, so some cute PHP tricks don't work but Drupal works fine. I have shell access and errythang.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:Your recommendation for a $1/mo host by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That'd make some sense. ;-) I'd never heard of the company before but was able to do a little digging (in fact, I did use dig fastdnsservers.com as i recall) and that's when I bumped into them - from there it was kind of a guess as it appears to still be a reseller of some type but it *might* be that they've got co-lo hardware in a DC somewhere. I didn't dig that deep, I'm pretty lazy these days, after all.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    5. Re:Your recommendation for a $1/mo host by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not hard to find a VPS hosting with dedicated IPv4 for this price. I know since I have a few. Hence, you deploy your own OS, DB, Web Server and whatever you want; configure everything the way you like.

  43. Easily countered point by so called point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Hosts will block any host-domain name placed into them as blocked
    2. Ads hosted on same origin as the rest of the site DO NOT PAY (which is why you don't see a lot of that - advertisers rightfully don't trust webmasters on clickview counts & I don't blame them)
    3. 95++% of the time users will be using their favorites @ the TOP of hosts (for fastest possible local ram cached kernelmode accessed speed of resolution)
    4. I never intend to get to what's blocked SO if I have to parse hosts in RAM (fast in kernelmode) it's fast.
    5. Admins can centrally easy migrate hosts across a LAN via scripts (login or taskscheduled/chronjob work)
    6. See #5 just above
    7. Android & ADB's pull command can migrate hosts to a rooted phone
    8. Same deal as #7, but I don't know what MS uses for a tool for that
    9. Same deal as #7, but I don't know what Apple uses for a tool for that
    10. If those have a hosts file then hosts can do all I said...

    * You're REALLY "reaching" & desperate tepples... lol!

    (Especially considering SOMEONE is TRYING TO VAINLY "HIDE" THIS POST last time I posted it with a bogus unjustifiable downmod -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which only tells me I am, as usual, "right as rain"... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> And, there ya are... apk

  44. Screw adblock plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was a long time user of Adblock plus for several years. Now, just recently I discovered Ublock origin which runs faster, uses less cpu and memory in the major browsers, and guess what, it can use adblock plus filters as well as host files.

  45. Re:If 90% of users use Lynx, risk is harder to man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have found a solution, it's called ads.

    And if you're seriously going to compare the web of the early 90s to that of today, you're a raving lunatic and there's no point in discussing anything with you.

  46. Re:If 90% of users use Lynx, risk is harder to man by tepples · · Score: 1

    Not my problem.

    Slashdot's continued existence is a problem for your continued access to the Opportunist (166417) account.

    The internet was here before commercial interest came.

    Before the Internet was commercialized, it was available only in universities. Only students and faculty had access. Once the advertisement-driven Internet dries up, are you willing to go back for your master's or Ph.D. in order to continue using the Internet?

  47. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "psychological manipulation and subliminal coercion"

    You come across as a 12 year old who found a thesaurus, nobody talks like that.

    Also, you are completely wrong in your base assertion that it's worth nothing. Obviously his content is worth enough to put it up on pirate sites and for the effort to try to find it. If it was worth nothing, then people wouldn't go to the trouble of pirating it. Instead, it's more likely he's simply charging too much for it. But at the same time, it's also possible that it is worth what he charges for it and people are just dicks.

  48. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  49. Acceptable ads policy in 5 words by DrXym · · Score: 1

    "You pay us enough money"

  50. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can APK suck huge cocks?

  51. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  52. Re:Use that & 9 more reputable sources too... by bioteq · · Score: 1

    Please, for the love of fucking God - Go. The. Fuck. Away.

    One post is enough. But having to scroll through pages upon of pages to see REAL content is annoying me. What you are effectively doing is creating ads; the very same we all want to block with tools and/or hosts files!, -- way to go. You've become the slimy advertisement person.

    Please go shoot yourself after you get through jerking off to pictures of nude children on a beach.

  53. Re:Use that & 9 more reputable sources too... by bioteq · · Score: 1

    I've decided to write a chrome/firefox plugin that will block ALL posts by APK, as I see this is advertisement and should be blocked thusly.

    If you agree, please join the cause. It would make the web (and slashdot) much better.

    Btw, apk, I've seen your app and it's a piece of crap. You truly don't know what you're doing when it comes to coding. It looks like you copy/pasted a bunch of snippets you found on google and then stop a bunch of people's block lists. That makes you a script kiddie

  54. Re:Easily countered point by so called point by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

    1. Hosts will block any host-domain name placed into them as blocked

    this works on my DNS resolver, what about your HOSTS file?

    local-zone: ".slashdot.org" redirect
    local-data: ".slashdot.org A 0.0.0.0"

    (it blocks slashdot.org and tech.slashdot.org etc)

  55. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  56. the reason for advertising by swell · · Score: 1

    Advertising exists primarily for one and only one reason. Commodities.

    When a vendor offers a product or service indistinguishable from that of other vendors, he must find a way to make it *seem* special and to justify your purchasing it from him.

    Apple, Tesla, Prada, Google, Rolex, Nordstrom, Nike, Facebook, and the Red Cross / Red Crescent offer relatively unique products / services and are themselves respected for that. The burden is on competitors to identify some way that their product is superior. Thus advertising, branding, intellectual property and often irresponsible claims. These famous companies continue to advertise in an inoffensive way not so much to sell you a product but to promote their reputation and the pride you'll have as an owner of their product.

    Those are all premium brands & products. When you sell consumer level products at a low price point the problem escalates. How can Dell compete with HP selling nearly identical China made computers? Primarily advertising and hype. How does Chevy compete with Ford? Hype. There used to be a quasi-religious fervor among consumers who favored one or the other. Look at those industries who advertise the most and you will see commodity products and services that are difficult to distinguish. Mattresses. Insurance. Dental services. Investment advisers. Fast food ...

    The solution could be an informed consumer. If everyone subscribed to something like 'Consumer Reports', where they could get honest, researched comparisons of products and services, then that would immensely deflate the hype benefit for advertisers. They would be compelled to offer factual information about how their product compares to competitors'--something the consumer advocate overlooked, new features, etc.

    Currently there are ways to be informed about most commitments- whether for products, housing, schools, investments, or underwear for the kids. Not everyone has easy access to this information. Not everyone is motivated to seek it. But if and when they do, advertising will change dramatically for the better.

    --
    ...omphaloskepsis often...
  57. PrivacyBadger = ABP code & inferior vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can PrivacyBadger do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on PrivacyBadger doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> PrivacyBadger does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    PrivacyBadger's Adblock+ codebase 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay sees it by dumping addons used via native browser methods!

    +

    PrivacyBadger adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  58. Re:Use that & 9 more reputable sources too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quit bogusly downmodding him he'll quit running you trolls dry of your downmodpoints. Prove him wrong instead. You can't. Don't worry. Adblock will continue paying you for trolling apk and failing.

  59. boat has sailed past by aepervius · · Score: 1

    When it was banner I never blocked any. But now it is not anymore static banner but scripts executable for which thee can never be any guarantee. I will never ever allow ads which can execute stuff on my PC ever again.

    --
    C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
    visit randi.org
  60. DNS security, speed & power issues hosts beat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kaminsky redirect poisoning - 99.999% of ISP DNS aren't patched vs. it.

    Open DNS resolvers (not OpenDNS) get exploited by malware A LOT!

    Rogue DNS servers are DNS exploit (even in routers not just system IP stack settings).

    * Using hosts w/ fav sites you hardcode in 'em YOU AVOID ALL THOSE DNS SECURITY ISSUES ABOVE easily & IT RESOLVES FAR FASTER THAN CALLING TO REMOTE DNS SERVERS (especially exploited or downed ones noted (dns goes down a LOT)).

    ---

    Hosts combined w/ OpenDNS compliment one other.

    I don't resolve 'every host-domain there is' via hosts, only my favs @ top of hosts (20 of 'em beating indexing past 2++ million records).

    It's where ANYONE spends MOST OF THEIR TIME online - & it's faster + more efficient vs. calling to remote DNS servers.

    Placement of favs thus, for FAST RESOLUTION from memory locally (hosts cache like any file) additionally saves CPU cycles, RAM, + I/O turning off a slower usermode clientside DNS cache service instead opting for the kernelmode diskcache (no context switch overhead to the IP stack either this way).

    The rest of my hosts files' entries are 3,782,195++ blocked entries vs. malware & ads of many kinds.

    I use REMOTE FILTERING DNS SERVERS blocking out malicious sites/servers/hosts-domains via DNS blocking (not locally here as a separate redundant wasteful recursive server or a service/daemon).

    ---

    OpenDNS:

    208.67.222.222
    208.67.220.220

    ---

    It LIGHTENS remote DNS loads - admins of 'em should like it! Especially since DNS goes down a LOT!

    How do I make my hosts (& do reverse dns pings for FAV sites for faster, more reliable, & safer connections)?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    With much easier understood & edited data vs. DNS rules by far.

    APK

    P.S.=> Locally setup DNS eats more cpu, RAM, & I/O needlessly (hosts do the job w/ less complexity + room for exploit, actually COMPLIMENTING remote dns) & MORE ELECTRICAL POWER (especially if setup as a separate machine)... apk

  61. Re:Use that & 9 more reputable sources too... by bioteq · · Score: 1

    Bogusly? That's precisely what the down mod system is for, mind you.

    I've never down modded him, personally, because they make little difference on him. But down mods are designed to get rid of scum like him. He's a SPAMMER and needs to be treated as a SPAMMER. I cannot fathom why some of you actually put up with his dumb ass.

  62. Re:Use that & 9 more reputable sources too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spammer? Then so are all almostalladsblocked 'fans' (sockpuppet trolls). Prove apk wrong. You can't. Downmods don't cut it and show you're ineffectual against apk like adblock is inferior to hosts.

  63. Re:Use that & 9 more reputable sources too... by bioteq · · Score: 1

    Looks like APK himself now; "Prove him wrong" -- A famous tag line.

    Spamming is spamming is spamming. Go away, shill.

  64. Time to find a new adblocker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want them gone. Yes. They're a revenue stream, but I'm prepared to pay to not have them.

    I put up with adverts getting worse and worse then five months ago installed blockers on all the family and extended family browsers, not just for annoyance value (Sure it's part of it) .. but also getting things trying to run flash exploits in iFrames ...

    I'm just over it, and I'm prepared to pay to avoid it. Seriously.

    Goodbye Abp, it's been five months of not too bad service.I don't agree with your "acceptable ad" policy.

    1. Re:Time to find a new adblocker by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Adblock Edge was a fork of ABP created specifically because of the "acceptable ads" policy. It has since been discontinued in favor of uBlock Origin

  65. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A person shitting in someone else's (unwilling) mouth is of more worth to the world than you, apk. Fuck off with your fucking spamming. Preferably to a different planet.

  66. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my criteria is, hand crafted HTML, full text, seamlessly woven into the page. Like on this page the slashdot deal for those training. Now that's acceptable.

  67. Our /. peers disagree, quoted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "Actually, APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa (366380) on Saturday May 16, 2015 @11:40AM (#49705641)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    "APK isn't wrong" - by cfalcon (779563) on Sunday October 04, 2015 @05:11PM (#50657891)

    "In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable." - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015 @10:27PM (#50999097)

    APK

    P.S.=> The above has you outnumbered, outthought, outsmarted & just plain OUTED troll (lol) - couple that w/ the fact you trolls can't validly technically prove my points on hosts wrong too? Please, lmao - make us all laugh some more @ YOU... apk

  68. Re:Use that & 9 more reputable sources too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahahahaha funny how he's right and you can't validly technically prove him wrong so jokes on you. You're a joke offtopic troll.

  69. You convinced me by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

    Your relentless spamming has convinced me- convinced me to never ever try or buy your product. Never.

    --
    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    1. Re:You convinced me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every almostalladsblocked paid off shill like you is a troll and you can't validly technically prove apk wrong. You fail.

  70. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    I don't know this particular site, but just a generic comment. Sometimes the price is more than just the dollar amount, it is the time and effort to go through the process. Click, click, fill out this, accept this agreement, double check to make sure you aren't "opting in" to an unwanted mailing list, and so on. Or, just paste magnet link and wait. This is a big issue for me with various entertainment providers. Sure, I might prefer to pay some small amount to watch Game of Thrones, but the price is too high when I have to go sign up for their service at $2.99 a month, get their advertising emails even though I didn't opt in, support yet another clunky and antiquated browser plugin, and more. Ugh. Yeah, the price is a lot more than the dollar amount.

    --
    This posting is provided 'AS IS' without warranty of any kind, implied or otherwise.
  71. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by MikeDataLink · · Score: 2

    "I mean this in the most respectful manner possible. Your material has negligible market value."

    I'm sorry. Respectfully, I call bullshit. If my content is worth someone's time to put it on a file sharing site, it is worth 99 cents.

    --
    Mike @ The Geek Pub. Let's Make Stuff!
  72. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 1

    I knew this was awkward because I really didn't intend to insult you. What you're replying to is the least important part of my point. Thing is, stuff is worth what people are willing to pay for it. If nobody's* willing to pay for it, well, there you go.

    Piracy isn't your problem. Not really. Because most/many/some people are absolutely willing to pay for stuff even if it's available pirated, because we see monetary value in what the producer has made. That a think is downloaded off a pirate site doesn't represent a lost sale.

    *For fuzzy values of nobody.

    --
    "Oh no... he found the .sig setting."
  73. Re:Correct: You're not me though & for hosts? by IonOtter · · Score: 2

    I spent about three days trying to get APK Hosts to work. I downloaded the file, consulted the tutorials, read the not-so-fine manual, and came up bupkiss.

    So I downloaded a hosts file from Someone Who Cares and did it myself.

    --
    [End Of Line]
  74. you've been etagged by lucm · · Score: 1

    ABP, privacy badger, HTTPS, ghostery and other plugins are not protecting you from etag tracking. As far as I know, your only option is to browse full time in private mode and to prevent the browser from caching stuff, which makes the browsing experience awful.

    There's limited stuff to be done with etag tracking. It's not as bad as, say, Google Analytics. But it can be used to track your visits without you knowing and identify you as a unique visitor across many visits to a website (or domain), especially if it's done right. You won't see a "tracker.js" or "1x1.gif" coming from a weird domain like you can see with shitty ads or spam. When it's done right, etag tracking comes from valid content like the CSS file or the company logo, and since it's requested by the browser as it parses HTML, the HTTP referer is passed along with the request even over HTTPS.

    --
    lucm, indeed.
    1. Re:you've been etagged by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, your only option is to browse full time in private mode and to prevent the browser from caching stuff, which makes the browsing experience awful.

      Self Destructing Cookies can clear the cache when the browser goes idle for a given time (I use 1 min), without having to brows in private mode, so it doesn't affect my browsing experience all that much.

  75. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by penguinoid · · Score: 2

    Try offering it for a penny, as an experiment. I think you'll still find that people will refuse to pay a penny, and it won't be because it's too much for them and it won't be because they don't think your product is worth a penny -- it's just that paying is complicated, dangerous, non-anonymous, and not even available to some (eg children). In fact, odds are less people will buy your file for a penny than for a dollar.

    --
    Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
  76. Re:Correct: You're not me though & for hosts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL, hosts files. How quaint.

    I block shit at my router. That way all computers connected to the network get protected simultaneously, without having to configure each individual one.

  77. Re:DNS security, speed & power issues hosts be by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

    Kinda bored so I tried your HOSTS file engine (x64 version), couple things from trying it out
    when I pick normal CPU priority in your program, it keeps resetting to realtime when I change tabs or click a button within a tab (annoying)
    Takes a damn long time (more then 10 mins) to process the validity test on an FX 8350 (only uses a single core)

    awk "!seen[$0]++" filename

    would be a quicker way to remove dupes

    Also I messed up my example, it should be

    local-zone: "slashdot.org" redirect
    local-data: "slashdot.org A 0.0.0.0"

  78. LMAO - bullshit: My program imports that too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: & your /. peers disagree with you (quoted) proving you're just as newly born sockpuppet troll:

    "No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "Actually, APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa (366380) on Saturday May 16, 2015 @11:40AM (#49705641)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    "APK isn't wrong" - by cfalcon (779563) on Sunday October 04, 2015 @05:11PM (#50657891)

    "In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable." - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015 @10:27PM (#50999097)

    APK

    P.S.=> Now, what's that you said, troll? See my subject - lol, MAN: Talk about a HUGE FAIL on YOUR end, lmao... apk

  79. Re:Easily countered point by so called point by tepples · · Score: 1

    Hosts will block any host-domain name placed into them as blocked

    Until you get a bad actor with 4.2 billion hostnames as subdomains.

    advertisers rightfully don't trust webmasters on clickview counts

    That's a good point. It'd be even better if you could cite some sources.

    95++% of the time users will be using their favorites @ the TOP of hosts

    But what about those other 5 percent?

    I never intend to get to what's blocked SO if I have to parse hosts in RAM (fast in kernelmode) it's fast.

    Crunching through 120 MB of data byte by byte (4 million entries times about 30 bytes per entry) for each resolution isn't exactly fast, no matter whether it's in kernel mode or in user mode. If kernels used a Bloom filter, it'd be different, as each query would hit only about 20 bytes at once.

    Android & ADB's pull command can migrate hosts to a rooted phone

    Which doesn't help if you won't or can't root.

  80. String Processing needs a CPU 'step up'... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Deduplication's 1 thing (that's fast) but Convert & Filter takes time.

    It protects vs. false positives + things that ought not be blocked (antivirus, antispyware, security sites, search engines, & far more - over 7,200 of them in fact) - your method won't have that using other's tools (by default).

    * When I go into sort/deduplicate/convert & filter I 'step up' the CPU on it due to what's in my subject-line above (it's an expensive operation on CPU & the longest part of my program's runtime).

    Your 1st run is one of your longest:

    It's what gets you your "base/foundation" dataset which you build on. Hosts.NU for example? No longer updated but covers a LOT of the past in bad sites/botnets/adservers... you don't need to haul that in more than 1 time for example.

    The others of the 10 my program imports DO update & their data is MUCH SMALLER than the older discontinued one I noted (hasn't updated since 2012) - your filtering is shorter (until you reach that size again later IF you build the file up over time - not all folks do) after that.

    There's 2 ways to look @ this program & its data:

    1.) Opt for long-term COMPLETE protection over time (building data ontop of every set you've ever built, this is what I do & have 3,838,915++ entries since 1997 in fact)

    OR

    2.) You can load up ONLY CURRENT DATA (which is, after all, the MOST important vs. current threats rampaging out there now) - this latter method makes tinier datasets by FAR, especially over time.

    Kind of like how antivirus has "high power" heuristics settings (even looking for OLDER threats) OR "normal mode" which only scans vs. more current/recent threats.

    APK

    P.S.=> What you put up on DNS is moot after this http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Hosts get you past security, speed, power consumption & complexity issues locally setup @ home DNS servers introduce (not necessary for small lans/not good enough "ROI" vs. what's expended vs. hosts)... apk

  81. Re:Easily countered again tepples... apk by tepples · · Score: 1

    vs. DGA as long as you enter what they use blocked in hosts it works.

    If there are 1000++ possibilities of what they're likely to use next, you have to add all 1000++ to hosts. That can add up.

    Vs. SPAM [...] I personally go thru junkmails myself viewing their source to determine the payload site

    So it blocks the payload, not the spam itself. Thanks for clarifying.

  82. JavaScript != Java by tepples · · Score: 1

    Turn off Java when browsing and you will not get any ads.

    I haven't seen a Java applet in months, and I still get ads. ECMAScript and Java are unrelated. And there are plenty of web applications that are broken when ECMAScript is turned off because they rely so heavily on AJAX.

  83. Re: LMAO - bullshit: My program imports that too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    assssssspergers. Holy fuck.

  84. Monetizing your webcomic by tepples · · Score: 1

    There are a plenty of feelies that a cartoonist can sell, such as printed books, T-shirts, or stuffed toys of the characters. My cousin owns a few Garfield books, I own three Nodwick books and Cracked's The De-Textbook, and I've sent for a stuffed rabbit from Sarah's Scribbles. Even without feelies, there are plenty of electronic bonuses that a cartoonist can give to subscribers, such as the carrot of high DPI viewing, the carrot of formatting an entire month for binge reading on an e-reader, or the stick of putting free readers on a time delay. Even the TV series Sesame Street is moving to that, with a 9-month delay before new episodes hit PBS.

  85. Internet Protocol by tepples · · Score: 1

    Define internet?

    The largest strongly-connected set of computer networks using IPv4 or IPv6. BBSes aren't Internet because they don't use Internet Protocol, though some (especially the big ones like AOL) offered e-mail gateways to other BBSes through the Internet.

    1. Re:Internet Protocol by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Hmm... That seems a rather strange and unusual definition. TCP, for example, had connection while IP was without a direct connection but the internet would still have been covered by other protocols even if you're being a stickler. I took the liberty of digging out this link for you:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I'm not entirely sure that everyone will agree with your definition. I'm not sure why the major version (v4) is relevant when certain networks standardized on TCP/IP as early as 1982. Hmm...

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    2. Re:Internet Protocol by tepples · · Score: 1

      Then let me loosen the definition: "The largest strongly-connected set of computer networks supporting the applications associated with the Internet during the year 2015." The Internet as we know it is connected far more strongly than the BBSes of the 1980s and early 1990s that the Internet displaced, and BBSes never supported streaming video or software updates to gigabyte-scale operating system distributions.

    3. Re:Internet Protocol by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Well then why not just say, "Early 1990s Internet?" :-)

      I do not recall the school or the site but way back when (probably early, very early, 1990s) there was a site that you could visit. I tunneled there through a BBS as I recall. Anyhow, at this site there were some guys working in a lab and you, the remote person, could watch them on a video stream (a poor stream but a stream regardless). If you timed it right (and lag was really bad) then you could control a robotic arm and throw a snowball at the lab workers and maybe hit one.

      I never did hit one. Lemme see if Google knows anything about this.

      A quick search doesn't reveal much but it appears someone at Linden Labs (2nd Life) might be familiar with it because they have some festivities where people are encouraged to throw virtual snowballs at the lab workers.

      Do I have a point? Well, sort of... It might not have been common but there were some streaming video things here and there. I had fiber at the office early on, for example. I even had an ISDN at home but that was a bit later. This would have been after moving out of Cambridge and setting up shop in Winston-Salem, NC. The snowball throwing was while I was still living in Cambridge so that means earlier than just before Christmas of 1991. I think... My memory isn't *that* good.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  86. "Ask & ye SHALL receive"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything you don't like in hosts is easy to snip out with my program (if it gets by my 7,200++ long item false positive filter) or with notepad even!

    As to a source? Ok - someone who posted IN FAVOR OF ADVERTISING ONLINE (Lauren Weinstein technologist who submits articles here a lot -> "majority of users are never going to change the ad blocker settings" - http://lauren.vortex.com/archi... PROOF THE ADMEN KNOW IT! right there...)

    The other RARE 5% (if that) you perform remote DNS lookups if they're not in my favorites (or yours) @ the TOP of hosts for best resolution speed cached in RAM.

    It's plenty fast - SO FAST OTHERS @ SUPERUSER.COM EVEN NOTICED IT:

    AdBlock's SLOWER vs. HOSTS http://superuser.com/questions...

    WANT IT TO BE FASTER? RAISE HOSTS PRIORITY THIS WAY:

    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\Tcpip\ServiceProvider]
    "Class"=dword:00000008
    "DnsPriority"=dword:00000006
    "HostsPriority"=dword:00000005
    "LocalPriority"=dword:00000007
    "Name"="TCP/IP"
    "NetbtPriority"=dword:00000008

    As far as "rooted" phones? That's up to the user to get one then...

    I don't DEAL with 'smartphones' (they're actually DUMBPHONES due to all the exploits occurring on them for oh, a decade++ now... lol!) - IF I did?? You'd see me building apps for them (in either JAVA or Delphi).

    APK

    P.S.=> Anyhow - "There ya go" (yet again), Mr. Tepples... apk

    1. Re:"Ask & ye SHALL receive"... apk by tepples · · Score: 1

      advertisers rightfully don't trust webmasters on clickview counts

      cite some sources

      someone who posted IN FAVOR OF ADVERTISING ONLINE (Lauren Weinstein technologist who submits articles here a lot -> "majority of users are never going to change the ad blocker settings" (You'll Probably Hate this Posting about Ad Blockers and Ad Blocking))

      That's a good source for the claim that advertisers and site operators fear a world where everybody blocks all ads. But it doesn't mention advertiser distrust of statistics provided by publishers that self-host ads. I was looking for something to cite specifically about that distrust.

  87. Re: LMAO - bullshit: My program imports that too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk caught you flat footed when he said his program imports and uses the data you yourself use. Classic and hilarious!

  88. Listen to the news & wake up... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I can easily put out @ least 50 instances of routers being hijacked in various ways (dns anyone, for one?) you sure you trust them?

    * I don't - not alone...

    "Layered-Security"/"Defense-In-Depth" IS the surest method & best thing we have going now...

    APK

    P.S.=> I use a stateful packet inspecting firewall router myself (& a filtering vs. threats DNS too) + software firewalls, hosts, AND OS + App patching (I practically wrote the book on this for Windows users -> http://www.bing.com/search?q=%... ) - it works... apk

    1. Re:Listen to the news & wake up... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You won't mind showing me how you would "hijack" my OpenBSD router then, right?

  89. Tepples I'm as fast as ever w/ 3,838,915++ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: There's NO perceptible slowup (adblocking + hardcoded favs save TONS MORE TIME vs. cached parse). I'm the same speed I was with a few 1,000 with MILLIONS in the mix here now in my hosts file!

    * :)

    (It works, & I pointed out a way to increase hosts priority as well in my other rebuttal to you here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... where I did INDEED PROVIDE YOU A VALID SOURCE to what you asked for... lol, "ask, & ye SHALL receive" from apk (always)).

    Outlook.com/Hotmail.com's email SPAM filters are excellent man & if you've NEVER tried them? Do... it's rare to even have 1 'sneak past' of many 1,000's!

    (Besides, the MOST DANGEROUS THING in spam IS the malicious payloads - so thus, I concentrate on that, & my sources DO PROVIDE blocking data for spam too as I proved upon request (like always, lol - see paragraphs above for more)).

    APK

    P.S.=> And yet still again? "There ya go", Mr. Tepples... apk

  90. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your material has negligible market value. That has no reflection upon you; most art has the same market value but significant social value. That you let those few who appreciate your work be influenced does. Advertising is exceedingly rarely to the benefit of the advertised-to.

    Hold up. The only reason that his site has no "market value" is because the content can be copied and distributed against the author's wishes. Under that rationale, any digital content has no "market value" as it can invariably be copied. This argument would apply to any software, training materials, e-books, sheet music, etc.

    So are you arguing that digital content should not hold a market value? Or are you arguing that the producers should try to lock down their content (which we know isn't effective) in order to create market value?

  91. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Patreon might be a better fit for you. Matters less if people pirate your work, as they are paying to encourage more of it rather than for something.

    --
    const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  92. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    100% agree with this. It is surprising in this day and age, with the race to the bottom mentality, that people are still surprised about this. While it is very laudable what the gp is doing, he/she should not confuse a hobby with an enterprise. The days of making it rich or even making a self-sustainable living posting stuff on a website are over. If big companies are complaining about lack of revenue (ads or otherwise) what chance do you think a one-person shop has? I dont think anything a single person will rise to the level of must-pay or must-see-ads.

    Enjoy your hobby and by all means publish, just dont expect it to be your day job.

  93. Bitcoin also has transaction fees by tepples · · Score: 1

    To discourage dust spam, the Bitcoin network currently requires the sender to include a "tip" of 0.0001 BTC for a miner who processes a transaction smaller than 0.01 BTC. At the current exchange rate, that transaction fee equals about 4.3 cents for any transaction smaller than $4.31, which is a lot less than what the credit card networks charge but still eats into the feasibility of a pay-per-page scheme. And how easy is it for a first-time Bitcoin user to find a trustworthy exchange and online wallet?

    1. Re:Bitcoin also has transaction fees by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I did not know that. It'd be nice if it didn't but I can see why they would - it is doing some work. I only mined a bunch of 'em, forgot about 'em, and then donated 'em. :D That's the entirety of my use of BTC.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  94. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a lot of mp3 sites have no DRM anymore, and amazingly enough there are still sales. If what you said was true there would be exactly one sale for each new song/album and no more sales.

    Obviously SOME digital content has value enough that people are willing to pay for it even if it is digital, and even if it has no DRM. THIS case unfortunately is not such an example.

  95. Re:I don't "do" hacking/cracking... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, you go break into an OpenBSD system and show me how you did it, then I'll believe you.

  96. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Interesting

    hosts can't block apk's ads. So there's a big flaw right there.

    --
    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  97. Re:For the best adblocker (& more, for less)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll consider your hosts file when it can block your spam too!

  98. Red Cross? by xenoc_1 · · Score: 1

    In what universe is the Red Cross still respected or respectable? At least, when considering the despicably greedy American Red Cross?

      (Do your own research, no I'm not providing links, but start with ProPublica or Hurricane Sandy as search terms to use with Red Cross.)

    Block their ads. And give your donation dollars to groups that actually deliver services, not fundraising hype, empty promises, and bloated executive salaries.

    1. Re:Red Cross? by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Ummm.. *This* universe?? I'm not gonna disagree with you on the "bloated executive salaries" in the American Red Cross (National), but local Red Cross chapters *DO* provide services to the public. If you've ever had a house fire, in most cases, the next people you see *after* the FD leaves, is two members of the local Disaster Action Team (DAT), who are volunteers, and provide immediate financial assistance, addressing clothing/housing/food issues. I KNOW this, as I'm one of about 30 such volunteers in Las Vegas, who respond right behind the FD (we're usually called *by* the FD, following their cleanup of the scene). We've had several large apartment fires recently where we provided close to 20 displaced families food/shelter/clothing within several hours after the fire. There are also Redcross volunteer caseworkers who contact the affected people the next business day to assist with other issues faced by the affected people.. As far as I know, all of the money that we disperse to these clients comes from *local* donations done thru local donation drives. So bottom line, I'm gonna partially agree with you about the national Red Cross, but STRONGLY DISagree with your painting local Red Cross chapters with the same brush...

      --
      THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
  99. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The TRUTH: People want everything for free and they have zero desire to actually support the content creators. They steal our content and post it for the world and then complain about the ads we use to make money. We can't win as content creators.

    The TRUTH ? We are your customers, not your benefactors. We are under no obligation to do more than to show you common curtesy and pay for the stuff we're buying. Period.

    You also concoct a story where you try to vilify anyone using an adblocker, by claiming that that is exactly what those people stealing your content are doing. So if we block your ads we must be thieves too, right ?

    A very unhealthy attitude towards your (prospective) customers ...

    As for your "People want everything for free" ? You expect/demand from us to pay you (by looking at and/or clicking the ads) without us receiving anything for it. Thats a stealing/"for free" attitude from your side. Pot, meet kettle ?

    But, you probably "made that right" by your above vilification, allowing you to treat us badly "too".

    Than you claim you really need those advertisement placements to supplement your income. Well, as a quick google shows the CPC seems to be around a cent, you need a lot of pageviews to make any worthwhile dough. Just 100 dollars a month would mean, with a CPC of 1 cent and 4 ads per page, you need over 78 pageviews a day, every day.

    With a niche market like yours I imagine you may be lucky to reach a fraction of it ...

    But for those 4 cents each visitor brings you per visit you bluntly ignore that:
    1) lots of those visitors find ads obnoxious.
    2) ads can really cut into metered access.
    3) ads are most often used to track people.
    4) ads are regulary used as the carriers of malware.

    You no doubt also deny any responsibility for point #4, or if you grudgingly/unwillingly/reluctantly do, you are definitily not home for the costs related to cleaning up a visitors computer from such malware.

    In short: you demand us, your visitors, to just "suck it up" (no pun intended) while also paying for the retrieval of it*, as well as accepting all the costs for when it goes wrong, while all you do is reap the (rather meager) rewards.

    *which, as an insult-to-injury, can easily outweigh your profits.

    And you do not understand at all why those pushed-into-our-faces ads are disliked ? Really ?

    Bottom line: You, as a website owner, disrespect us, your visitors/customers, in quite a number of ways, even insulting us along the way. Most of us took it because we did not realize how it worked, and when we did had no idea how to defend ourselves from it. Now we, the larger public (start to) do.

    .

    As for your website ? I really hope you can find a way to keep it afloat, as I do like seeing people doing innovative stuff like you seem to be doing.

    But do yourself a favour, and loose the idea that we owe you free money. It makes you the web-equivalent of a beggar-with-an-attitude.

  100. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a single data point, I'll tell you why I don't buy your plan files. Your site is basically just a bunch of DIY projects. I can well imagine these are fun to do. If you were a friend of mine, or if we were talking in the pub, I could listen for hours to your stories about every little setback and success you experienced. To me, you are a complete stranger, but maybe to your fans you aren't.
    If I wanted to do any of your projects... let me rephrase that, some of the things you have done, I have also done... when I want to do a fun project, I do it for fun. And coming up with the idea, planning it all out, and completing it is fun. What would I gain from a plan file? It hardly saves any labour since DIY projects simply aren't rocket science (not even the one with the bottle) and it takes part of the fun away.
    I has always been hard to make a living telling DIY stories in the pub. The internet may have made it slightly easier, but only slightly so.

  101. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by wvmarle · · Score: 1

    That a think is downloaded off a pirate site doesn't represent a lost sale.

    One download is not one lost sale, but a couple dozen downloads can easily be equivalent to 1-2 lost sales. Especially when the downloaders now learn that the stuff is available on some sharing site, instead of knowing where to download the (paid for) original.

  102. Re:Correct: You're not me though & for hosts? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

    If APK's hosts file could block APK's ads, I would use it.

    --
    I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
  103. Re:I don't "do" hacking/cracking... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You create ware as good as apk's we'll believe YOU. You haven't. You're not worth believing. You give nothing to believe in.

  104. Re:Correct: You're not me though & for hosts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If nitehawk214 could make a ware as good as apk's I'd use it. Only problem is nitehawk214's an unskilled trolling "ne'er-do-well" instead.

  105. Re:For the best adblocker (& more, for less)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something should block trolls like you that are nothing more than jealous unskilled "ne'er-do-wells" that can't create squat.

  106. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If anyone's Gollum here it's you lurking in the unidentifiable ac troll shadows, loser. Admit it: You wish you were apk.

  107. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No he doesn't but you wish he did. Go away. Apk's not looking for a date. Least of all a homosexual one projecting as you are.

  108. Re:Swallow My Egorged Cock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have serious issues. Apk != homosexual. You apparently are. Wrong door. Go someplace else and find a date, ok?

  109. Correct: You're not me though & for hosts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    ---

    FREE, not 'souled-out' to advertisers + adds speed, security & reliability. Does FAR more w/ FAR less more efficiently vs. redundant browser addons & local DNS servers @ home + fixes DNS' many security issues & it stops a LOT of tracking @ webpage + DNS levels via 1 file you NATIVELY have - firewalls do the rest (on less used IP address trackers vs. host-domain name type).

    ---

    It obtains data vs. threats & for adblocking from 10 reputable security community sites!

    ---

    SPEEDS YOU UP 2 ways (adblocks + local RAM cached favorite sites @ TOP of hosts for fastest resolution speed vs. remote DNS (aids reliability)) vs. other "so-called security 'solutions'" SLOWING YOU!

    ---

    All that via something you natively have vs. "bolting on browser addons 'MOAR'" that's usermode slower & increases messagepassing, cpu + ram overheads!

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified it's source as safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    Another http://www.isthisfilesafe.com/...

    Its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    * "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend".

    APK

    P.S.=> By "yours truly" - "The Lord of Hosts" so-to-speak:

    "The image this title brings to mind is of a mighty military commander, one who can at a mere word summon rank upon rank of protective power" from https://answers.yahoo.com/ques... & THE WORD = hosts!

    (Accept NO substitutes!)

    ...apk

  110. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  111. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  112. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by MikeDataLink · · Score: 1

    You might be right, but my experience tells a different story. I sell LOTS of plan files, every day to lots of very nice people. I also provide some limited technical support to the people who buy them. What you might not be aware of is the number of school children who watch my videos and do my projects as part of a classroom exercise. I get emails from teachers regularly who thank me for what I am doing to help them teach children. Not everyone who does my projects are skilled like me and you.

    --
    Mike @ The Geek Pub. Let's Make Stuff!
  113. Personal internet worked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might be surprised to learn that there was an internet for several decades before the advertisers showed up

    Was it possible to get Internet access at home back then? I was under the impression that before advertisers showed up, the Internet was available on university campuses, and that was about it.

    At least in the early 1980s, I had dial-up internet at my house (not my parents basement; they lived an ocean away). Lousy 1200bps modem, but it worked. Then I got a 2400bps modem with MNP5, and the internet was even better. Don't exactly recall my email address at the time, but it had some ! characters in it, and ended with lsuc.ca.

    Mumble mumble get off my lawn, whippersnapper!

  114. Your /. peers disagree, quoted... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "Actually, APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa (366380) on Saturday May 16, 2015 @11:40AM (#49705641)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    "In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable." - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015 @10:27PM (#50999097) Sunday October 04, 2015 @05:11PM (#50657891)

    * See subject & the above quotes: It appears you're OUTNUMBERED, OUTTHOUGHT, OUTSMARTED & just plain OUTED by your own /. peers quoted saying something QUITE DIFFERENT vs. your butthurt bs!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "Btw, apk, I've seen your app and it's a piece of crap. You truly don't know what you're doing when it comes to coding" - by bioteq (809524) on Sunday December 20, 2015 @03:46PM (#51155225)

    Let's see a bigmouth "ne'er-do-well" troll like YOU do better... ok? Never going to happen - lol & you KNOW it!

    ... apk
    "In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable." -

  115. bioteq read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free. - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

  116. bioteq read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

  117. Nope, still too loose. by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    Still nothing in the "acceptable ads policy" forbidding tracking cookies, scripts, and other malware-like behavior. ABP still irrelevant.

  118. Re:I don't "do" hacking/cracking... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why? Didn't I already state that I use OpenBSD? Why would I need to reinvent that wheel? I haven't made any unbelievable claims. I use an OpenBSD router and do all of my blocking there. Anyone literate with even an inkling of desire can do that.

    You're sitting here claiming you can break into all routers, including my OpenBSD router. Of course you're full of crap. I just called you on it and now you're trying to pull a reverse. Sorry, but the burden of proof is solely on you and your claim that you can break into all routers.

    As a side note, you might want to stop referring to yourself in the third person. As a native English speaker, it sounds strange.

  119. I never claimed I break into routers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Show me where I said that - I said the opposite http://slashdot.org/comments.p... as I help secure (& speed up) folks online.

    (You're the one who challenged me to break into YOURS idiot - either you're illiterate, or just a fucking troll loser! I go with the latter, lol...)

    * CLUE: PUTTING WORDS INTO OTHERS MOUTHS THEY NEVER SAID != GOOD DEBATE TECHNIQUE... - you FAIL it.

    APK

    P.S.=> I think what was directed YOUR way was did you make a program anyone can see & use (+ recommend as good as Malwarebytes' hpHosts has for me hosting it as well AND that your fellow /.'ers even like too) - where's yours? IT'S NOT & you surely didn't create OpenBSD either... apk

    1. Re:I never claimed I break into routers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still haven't provided proof that you can break into any router. In addition, the fact that you get so insecure and childishly defensive is tacit admission that you are full of crap.

  120. No honor among thieves by NonSenseAgency · · Score: 1

    Until advertisers commit to NOT invade personal privacy, there ARE no acceptable ads. I am all for funding the Internet through advertising revenue, it was a model that worked well for television and with suitable modifications works well for the Internet. But it is an established FACT that people will not make the moral choice when money is involved and that goes double for advertising executives.

  121. Transaction fees by tepples · · Score: 1

    It's hard to get viewers to "want to buy" a year's subscription just for one article found through a search engine or through a link shared by a friend. And even if viewers were willing to pay per page, it's hard to charge what viewers are willing to pay because of transaction fees. Bitcoin's transaction fee of 0.0001 BTC (currently 0.043 USD) is less than that of credit cards, but it's still significant compared to, say, 10 cents to read an article.

    1. Re:Transaction fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard to get viewers to "want to buy" a year's subscription just for one article

      Of course it's hard, it's supposed to be, you entitled twerp.

      How did newspapers get people to pay for centuries before the internet? By providing information that people felt was worth the cost. If you can't do that, then you need to find some other line of work.

    2. Re:Transaction fees by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      And before anyone brings up advertising in newspapers please note that they placed static, non tracking images clearly delineated from the content, hosted on the first-party newspaper page.

      This would be pretty much unblockable short of an adblocking AI, so this is your solution right here.

  122. Early 1990s doesn't count by tepples · · Score: 1

    Well then why not just say, "Early 1990s Internet?"

    Because by then it had opened up to commercial entities, which means to advertising.

    a video stream (a poor stream but a stream regardless)

    Virtually nobody would be willing to pay to watch a feature film over a stream that poor, I'm guessing. This means YouTube, Hulu, Netflix streaming, and Amazon streaming would not be possible over "Early 1990s Internet". Even Netflix's mail service would have failed because postage would have been too high for VHS. One thing that helped increase investment in Internet infrastructure to the point where people could stream standard-definition video at home was commercial involvement, which means advertising.

    I had fiber at the office early on, for example.

    Which is in fact where Cyber Monday came from. It began when a lot of people had Internet access only on breaks at work.

    1. Re:Early 1990s doesn't count by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yup. There were a few ads and some spam but it was kind of nice for a while. Even when it was officially the WWW, I don't recall it being too bad. It wasn't until the mid-to-late 1990s when I started blocking ads. We did have some ads and spam before that but not a lot. I recall even seeing some images that said things like, "Call this number to connect to this BBS - this BBS is the best!" (That sort of stuff.) Sometimes I'd see Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) but, damn it, we read it back then! (Well, I did.) It was exciting to get an email.

      In the 1990s, I found an application that ran in the system tray. It had a yellow icon, that's all I really remember as far as its name. You used it as a proxy and it would block ads. You could download rules, it had some built in, and you could add domains, wildcards, subdomains, sizes, and the likes to your rules. For the life of me, I don't recall the name of the application. Twenty years is a long time to survive in my head.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    2. Re:Early 1990s doesn't count by tepples · · Score: 1

      In the 1990s, I found an application that ran in the system tray. It had a yellow icon, that's all I really remember as far as its name. You used it as a proxy and it would block ads. You could download rules, it had some built in, and you could add domains, wildcards, subdomains, sizes, and the likes to your rules. For the life of me, I don't recall the name of the application. Twenty years is a long time to survive in my head.

      It wasn't Proxomitron, was it? But support for wildcards already puts it ahead of APK's offering.

    3. Re:Early 1990s doesn't count by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Nope. It was something else. It was also something that I had to pay for and was before 1999 but not by a whole lot of. It had a yellow icon that sat in the system tray. It was kind of nice, actually. I moved and ended up with dial-up internet only. So I had another piece of software that would compress text and images and pages would be delivered faster. Unfortunately, that would not work with the first piece of software as that too needed to work as a proxy. That's when I used a hosts file for a while but that's just a pain in the ass and not nearly refined enough for my use (sorry APK but it's true) so I eventually moved on to other methods of blocking ads.

      I still can't remember the first program's name. I've brought it up before and a few people had some guesses and one of them remembered the application but not the name. So, well, I figure I'll be doing absolutely nothing some day and it will suddenly occur to me what the name was. It will be like a great revelation and then I'll promptly forget it for the next time I want to remember it. It was kind of like Ad Muncher but it's not them - they were too late in the game, they're only 15 years old. (I just checked and he has a bit about the history of the company and doesn't mention any inspirational software sources or anything.)

      Ah well... It does kind of bug me that I can't remember but life's too short for it to let it get to me for too long.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  123. Some is not noise by tepples · · Score: 1

    Most of it is noise. Some is not. You appear to be willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Or what am I missing?

    1. Re:Some is not noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All ads and tracking are noise. All of it.

      The internet got on just fine without those. Don't come in here and try to pretend that it didn't.

    2. Re:Some is not noise by tepples · · Score: 1

      The internet got on just fine without those.

      During the era without noise, prior to the 1990s, there was much less infrastructure through which to send signal. How would the infrastructure for sending signal have been financed without the involvement of noise?

    3. Re:Some is not noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, money.

      Are you really that stupid or are you just grasping at straws?

    4. Re:Some is not noise by tepples · · Score: 1

      Who would have provided enough infrastructure money to get the Internet to where it is now between 1990 and 2015? Under the assumption of an "Ads are not acceptable." policy, it wouldn't have been advertisers.

  124. Sales and reviews joined at the hip by tepples · · Score: 1

    Then who funds the operation of the sites through which you 'inform yourself'?

    Sales. Amazon and similar sites that sell products provide information and often, independent reviews.

    That's one way. But which "similar sites" host independent reviews for products that are self-sold, as opposed to being sold through Amazon? Is it like Angie's List where people need to pay to view the reviews? Or are you just unwilling to buy any product if it isn't sold through a middleman that also hosts independent reviews?

  125. LOL: Yes do that - prove you can slow us down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Yes, I have produced a useful tool. It's fully customized for my personal need (which is now complete), and can be trivially adjusted" - by Sigma 7 (266129) on Monday December 21, 2015 @01:32AM (#51157093)

    See subject & back it up with proof - not hotair windbag bs, ok?

    ---

    "This would be an intercepting proxy server - even if it slows things down" - by Sigma 7 (266129) on Monday December 21, 2015 @01:32AM (#51157093)

    Funny - hosts SPEED YOU UP instead (+ secure you better, & make connections more reliable AND give you more anonymity too!)

    * :)

    Yes, yes - Let's illogically & STUPIDLY "Bolt on 'MoAr'" & slow down too, vs. speeding yourself up using what you already have natively... lol!

    (Gotta LOVE you blowhard talkers... lol, you make me laugh!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Sigma7's "phantasyland software inc." that SLOWS YOU DOWN - of course, 1st he has to actually PROVE he has it & that HE WROTE IT - not just biting off "Open SORES" code that someone else built OR using stackexchange to write it for him, lol... apk

  126. Time-consuming by tepples · · Score: 1

    Perhaps I wasn't explicit enough in my previous post. Once it becomes common to have to "use the other two [o]r look further down the query list", use of search engines will become significantly more time-consuming than it is today.

    1. Re:Time-consuming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like obnoxious internet advertising sparked the development of ad blocking software, if the scenario you proposed becomes a reality, browser extensions for filtering paywalled results from search queries might become a thing. I bet some advertisers would find that immoral too.

  127. I don't "do" hacking/cracking... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I do the opposite via APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    It gives you more security, speed, reliability + anonymity online for less!

    (more cpu servicing in kernelmode vs. usermode addons, less complexity, room for breakdown & exploit + less moving parts, stupidly "Bolting on 'MoAr'" vs. using what you already natively have that is solid with 46++ or so years of SOLID development & refinement poured into it (the IP stack itself & hosts which is part of it, operating even CLOSER to it than firewalls (which need a filtering driver added))).

    * :)

    NOW, I supplied TONS OF INSTANCES where routers & firewalls have been pierced in the last 3-5 yrs now easily in this exchange (titled Routers alone = shit (here's proof #x/15)) that shut you up easily, lol! ... & IF I wanted to bust into one?

    It'd only be a matter of time for me (+ effort of course - you have to KNOW the particulars of hardware you're trying to 'bust into' & same with networks etc.- et al)... but again - I don't DO that crap! I help stop it, see above...

    Plus, if you *THINK* about it?

    Ever notice I can post unlimitedly here on /., even as an AC (they have 10 post a day limits)??

    IF I want to get something done, I do... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Fact: You WISH you were me! Why'd you try downmod hide this when I posted it before here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ? Truth hurt?? Yes, lol... apk

  128. You're welcome to prove me wrong... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Here-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & noone ever validly technically proves me wrong in my hosts posts to users of inferior redundant bloated crippled addons.

    (Just off topic trolling bs from newly created sockpuppet accounts like yours OR trolling by ac (since it's obviously someone both downmodding my posts unjustifiably AND one I've blown away on those very points favoring hosts before obviously)).

    * No single browser addons does more (for less NO less) for more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity online... fact!

    (When users of inferior redundant souled-out to advertisers crippled by default addons? I do to, informing them of a FAR superior overall solution that you have already natively...)

    REPOST vs. UNJUSTIFIABLE DOWNMOD LAST TIME I POSTED IT HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (which PROVES you can't prove me validly technically wrong!).

    APK

    P.S.=> You trolls can shoot your mouths off all day vs. truths & facts I put out favoring hosts - it's all just HOT WINDBAG AIR, nothing more... lol!

    ... apk

  129. For the best adblocker (& more, for less)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    ---

    FREE, not 'souled-out' to advertisers + adds speed, security & reliability. Does FAR more w/ FAR less more efficiently vs. redundant browser addons & local DNS servers @ home + fixes DNS' many security issues & it stops a LOT of tracking @ webpage + DNS levels via 1 file you NATIVELY have - firewalls do the rest (on less used IP address trackers vs. host-domain name type).

    ---

    It obtains data vs. threats & for adblocking from 10 reputable security community sites!

    ---

    SPEEDS YOU UP 2 ways (adblocks + local RAM cached favorite sites @ TOP of hosts for fastest resolution speed vs. remote DNS (aids reliability)) vs. other "so-called security 'solutions'" SLOWING YOU!

    ---

    All that via something you natively have vs. "bolting on browser addons 'MOAR'" that's usermode slower & increases messagepassing, cpu + ram overheads!

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified it's source as safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    Another http://www.isthisfilesafe.com/...

    Its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    * "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend".

    APK

    P.S.=> By "yours truly" - "The Lord of Hosts" so-to-speak:

    "The image this title brings to mind is of a mighty military commander, one who can at a mere word summon rank upon rank of protective power" from https://answers.yahoo.com/ques... & THE WORD = hosts!

    (Accept NO substitutes!)

    ...apk

  130. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  131. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  132. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  133. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The TRUTH: People want everything for free and they have zero desire to actually support the content creators. They steal our content and post it for the world and then complain about the ads we use to make money. We can't win as content creators.

    Propaganda. I spend easily 1k USD in a typical year on content, mostly instructional videos for my various hobbies. I download nothing from pirate torrent sites. If I want music, I buy the CD once it becomes available used, or directly from the artist. Same with books. I buy the few pieces of specialized software I need and don't have time to write myself.

    The reality is, some people will support content, others won't. Some people with content are sociopaths and abuse the public, and some members of the public are also sociopaths and abuse the content providers.

    It's been that way for a long, long time. Go back to early US history and you'll find much the same issues with respect to copyright. People made the same complaints back then that you're making now.

    You, like many owners of content - past and present - are making the assumption that the sociopaths would otherwise be paying you if they were forced to, that you would be making lots of money if it wasn't for things like torrents and ad-blockers and so forth. That's a fantasy. The sociopaths are always going to look for something easy, something cheap, they're not really part of your potential market.

    Many people who are rich like to claim it's because they are better than others. That's a myth, and they're delusional. Making money is as much about being in the right place in the right time as it is anything else. Not everybody can be Bill Gates, who wasn't any better or smarter or harder working or more capable than millions of other people, he was just in the right time at the right place.

    Most people will end up producing content that the non-sociopaths aren't willing to support to a high level, because there's a lot of other equivalent content out there. Not necessarily equivalent in terms of features, but equivalent in terms of the long term goals of the individual. These content providers aren't going to get rich, not because of the people stealing, but instead because they aren't producing the right content at the right time for the rest of the public.

  134. Easily countered again tepples... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fastfluxing defeated = 1 of hosts best attributes in what it protects vs. in botnets & vs. DGA as long as you enter what they use blocked in hosts it works.

    Vs. SPAM it's really easy:

    It's done for users already - MANY OF THE 10 reputable sources in the security community supply that data (e.g.-> broken out into individual categories @ Malwarebytes' hpHosts-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    I personally go thru junkmails myself viewing their source to determine the payload site (the sender's usually spoofed & changes, but the actual malicious payloads sites rarely do - this is what to block to protect users & one's self).

    On "smartphones" (lol, toys imo): I covered that here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (which I MUST BE RIGHT ABOUT, as per my usual lol since someone tried to "hide" that with bogus unjustifiable downmods TWICE NOW vs. validly proving my points wrong (impossible to do, truth & facts are like that) where I countered your 10 "so-called 'points'", point-by-so-called 'point' of yours...

    APK

    P.S.=> And, there ya are (again) - you're REALLY "reaching" tepples... apk

  135. Re:If 90% of users use Lynx, risk is harder to man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That still isn't true.

  136. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    You seem to be implying that anything on a torrent site is worthless, because nobody pays anything for it. On the other hand, if it doesn't have any value, nobody will put it on a torrent and nobody will download it. There seems to be a disconnect here.

    --
    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  137. wtf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    grow up and get a dildo.

  138. Re:If 90% of users use Lynx, risk is harder to man by tepples · · Score: 1

    Then let me try again: Without the opportunity presented by advertising-supported publication, how likely is it that companies would have built out infrastructure to bring tens or hundreds of Mbps to the home?

  139. Ads shown to be more effective than donations by tepples · · Score: 1

    The community donation model works well.

    No it doesn't. A cursory search (Google donations vs advertising) turned up Ask HN: How much do you earn with donations vs. ads?, containing an anecdote that someone is earning 20,000% (200 times) more from ads than from donations.

    1. Re:Ads shown to be more effective than donations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anecdotes aren't proof.

      What I see in reality are people making MILLIONS via crowdsourcing when the idea is something that people want. If you aren't making enough through donations, then that means your idea is crap and you should try something else.

      Sorry, but just because you have an idea that you think people *should* like doesn't entitle you to make money from it. Scrap it and try again. Success isn't easy to achieve.

  140. Use that & 9 more reputable sources too... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    ---

    FREE, not 'souled-out' to advertisers + adds speed, security & reliability. Does FAR more w/ FAR less more efficiently vs. redundant browser addons & local DNS servers @ home + fixes DNS' many security issues & it stops a LOT of tracking @ webpage + DNS levels via 1 file you NATIVELY have - firewalls do the rest (on less used IP address trackers vs. host-domain name type).

    ---

    It obtains data vs. threats & for adblocking from 10 reputable security community sites!

    ---

    SPEEDS YOU UP 2 ways (adblocks + local RAM cached favorite sites @ TOP of hosts for fastest resolution speed vs. remote DNS (aids reliability)) vs. other "so-called security 'solutions'" SLOWING YOU!

    ---

    All that via something you natively have vs. "bolting on browser addons 'MOAR'" that's usermode slower & increases messagepassing, cpu + ram overheads!

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified it's source as safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    Another http://www.isthisfilesafe.com/...

    Its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    * "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend".

    APK

    P.S.=> By "yours truly" - "The Lord of Hosts" so-to-speak:

    "The image this title brings to mind is of a mighty military commander, one who can at a mere word summon rank upon rank of protective power" from https://answers.yahoo.com/ques... & THE WORD = hosts!

    (Accept NO substitutes!)

    ...apk

  141. Learn to READ stupid... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & "Rinse, Lather, + Repeat"-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... or are you illiterate?

    * Additionally: As far as depending on routers only on your end? You're a fool!

    (As I put up 225++ examples from reputable sources of WHY NOT TO!)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're being deliberately obtuse, but it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know why - you failed & you KNOW it... apk

  142. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You also run behavior trackers on your network. No sympathy. I block all your stuff.

  143. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why, yes, yes it can.

  144. Re:If 90% of users use Lynx, risk is harder to man by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

    Then let me try again: Without the opportunity presented by advertising-supported publication, how likely is it that companies would have built out infrastructure to bring tens or hundreds of Mbps to the home?

    It doesn't matter, it is done.

    One can enjoy acres of land in New York due to the subjugation of Native Americans, it doesn't mean that subjugation was right, or that we should continue subjugating peoples to this day in an attempt to reap the benefits. It also doesn't mean I'd begrudge that guy his land or his happiness to enjoy it in 2015.

  145. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does UBlock defend against DNS issues apk noted? It doesn't. How does ublock speed up your favorite sites as hosts do? It doesn't. How does ublock function for any web bound application? It doesn't. How does ublock function against C&C servers to stop them being communicated to by malware agents botnets use on victim PCs? It doesn't. Ublock rulesets are much harder for end users to work with. Most can't understand regular expressions. Hosts aren't detectable by clarityray as addons are too. You're a troll and full of it.

  146. Cash works only in person by tepples · · Score: 1

    How did newspapers get people to pay for centuries before the internet?

    By taking cash payments. The drawback is that cash works only in person.

    1. Re:Cash works only in person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying you can't pay someone unless you are standing in front of them?

      Now I know you're trolling. Get lost.

  147. Re: Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know I read a troll. Your excess use of evasion in being unable to prove apk wrong in his points on hosts for your lack of facts, much like an a troll who can't win does.

  148. Re: Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use apk's program. I never see ads on slashdot or other websites because of it.

  149. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  150. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the best ya got vs. apk's points backed by reputable sources? You fail shitter. Badly. You can't prove apk wrong!

  151. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you're saying you can't validly technically prove apk wrong on his posts favoring native to your system ip stack already there more efficient kernelmode faster hosts files that do far more for far less than redundant usermode slower resource hogging messagepassing overheads bloating addons?

  152. APK = above such mundane puny measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject about bans + this about spam "No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

    You are but puny slaves to your javascript and cookies in bannable chains you wear that you put on yourselves.

    Not APK though.

    Not APK

  153. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  154. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  155. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  156. Quoting Ozymandias from "The Watchmen" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & "Even Dr. Manhattan can't be everywhere @ once" - & I never said hosts "cure all" (nothing does), I state hosts do far more for FAR less resources consumed as well as faster (due to operations in kernelmode vs. usermode)...

    * :)

    I've always been a "work with what you have already & make the best of it" type of person!

    By using hosts files + my application to take full advantage of it in both hardcoded favorite sites (speed & reliability gain is big) + blocked threats (security) & ads (huge speedboost, so big, it even offsets misses that go to remote DNS) online?

    You get more speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity online by taking advantage of an already present & highly refined ring 0/rpl 0 driver in the ip stack with ~ 1/2 century of refinement in it! All that in 1 easy controlled box locally?? I say "yes" to that.

    (Seemed to fit the idea I noted I live by - so I went with it: "It works" (quoting Tony Stark from the film Iron Man on that one, lol...)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Using hosts is just plain flat-out doing more w/ less vs. illogically stupidly "Bolting on 'MoAr'" that's slower & more complex no less that's redundant in the presence of hosts + inefficient & doesn't DO AS MUCH by a longshot!

    (What I'm doing is considered GOOD engineering, & it works (almost minus any limits as you said - especially when combined with firewalls which don't even operate as close to the IP stack as hosts does (part of it is why) - they need another layer in a filtering driver actually))... apk

  157. Best adblocker & far more vs. threats 4 less? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+/ublock do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  158. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by MikeDataLink · · Score: 1

    LOL. What the hell are you ranting about? I don't demand anything. If you want to visit my site, great, if not great. That's your choice, not mine. I can't make you do anything, and even if I could I don't want. to.

    Some answers:
    1. Malware... I only use google adsense. Google's network is not full of malware. Yes some people use shady ad nets, I don't.
    2. Yes, I do believe people like you want everything for free. I bet you also pirate movies, and make up some excuse about how sucky all the platforms are, so you'd just rather steal them.

    --
    Mike @ The Geek Pub. Let's Make Stuff!
  159. Re:If 90% of users use Lynx, risk is harder to man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If that's the solution then don't whine when people block your ads.

  160. Ghostery = 'souled-out' & inferior vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ghostery do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C server talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C server talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C server talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory use vs. addons

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on Ghostery doing all or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Addons do FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...

    ---

    Addons add complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats addons like Ghostery via native browser methods.

    ---

    Better than ghostery by FAR = APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    GUARANTEED safe & clean per 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    So is its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  161. We are like anti-vaxxers by MikeSlashSlash · · Score: 0

    As an ad blocker user, and science-loving geek I feel such a hypocrite that the herd immunity that anti-vaxxers are abusing is so similar to the reason that I can block ads and still enjoy the free content that is on the web "bought" by advertisers. Or maybe the irony is that my ad blocker is actually my vaccine from the malware on the web?

  162. PrivacyBadger = ABP code & inferior vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can PrivacyBadger do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on PrivacyBadger doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> PrivacyBadger does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    PrivacyBadger's Adblock+ codebase 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay sees it by dumping addons used via native browser methods!

    +

    PrivacyBadger adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  163. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  164. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  165. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  166. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  167. Re:PrivacyBadger = ABP code & inferior vs. hos by lucm · · Score: 1

    Dude, chill out with the copy-paste

    --
    lucm, indeed.
  168. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  169. Re:I run a site that uses ads, let me tell you TRU by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 1

    No, I do expect that some piracy does represent lost sales. It's just - unsurprisingly - a complicated topic. At the high-demand end, with popular, commercially-valuable end, it's most obvious but still complicated. Meaning, take a hypothetical perfect BluRay rip of the new Star Wars movie, and make that available Day 1. Sure, it's certain some people who would have gone to the theater to see it will not, because they can watch it in their homes. On the other hand, there will be a number of people who pirate it and decide it was worth the big-screen experience and go to the theater to re-watch, because of the pirated copy. How the numbers break down is unclear and unknowable.

    Down in the lower-demand segment, where the audience is in the dozens of people, it gets harder to judge what would've been, could've been, should've been.

    Frankly - and I know I'm stirring up a bag of worms here - I believe patronage is the (currently best) answer. Things like Kickstarter allow fans who wish to support a thing to do so. Creators get the support they need (or not, if the project doesn't fund). The product gets made, the backers get theirs, and frankly, if a backer leaks the product (say a PDF) and nobody else ever pays for a copy, well, kind of so be it. The patrons (a.k.a. people willing to pay) have paid. The leeches who pirate it after... likely wouldn't've or could'nt've. I'd personally prefer the creative people I've backed focus on the next wonderful product that I will pay them to create instead of spending any time hand-wringing because someone out there has a copy without having paid for it.

    How that fits into your project I don't know. But the easiest way to tell the difference between a paying customer and a non-paying customer is that the paying ones give you money. Focus on them.

    --
    "Oh no... he found the .sig setting."
  170. Small payments work only with cash by tepples · · Score: 1

    So you're saying you can't pay someone unless you are standing in front of them?

    I can't pay someone ten cents without standing in front of them.

  171. Tell that to inferior, redundant, inefficient... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: ... browser addon users being duped as they are vs. hosts superiority on most all, if not all, fronts possible!

    There's certain things NOTHING can stop like BGP exploits, but when you combine hosts with firewalls (operate on IP addresses in Windows, not host-domain names) since hosts operate on host-domain names? You have good protection - couple that w/ App patching + OS security-hardening & patching?? Even better - the best: "Layered-Security/Defense-in-Depth!"

    * :)

    (It's not that easy being this damn good you know - truly, "world-class"... I have the burden of perfection on me, lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Quoting Ozymandias from the film "The Watchmen" now: "Even Dr. Manhattan can't be everywhere @ once..." & neither can I, or hosts files (nothing by itself does it all) - however, I've only always told the truth that hosts do far more for FAR less resources consumed & more efficiently giving users more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity from 1 single file that operates with far less messagepassing overheads in kernelmode vs. slower usermode...!

    ... apk

  172. It's just truth & facts... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: From reputable sources - I inform accurately & completely to those using inferior redundant slower wasteful usermode browser addons vs. hosts in kernelmode that does far more for giving users more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity from 1 single file you already have that is natively part of the IP stack itself...

    * :)

    (It's something for you all to consider as a more powerful & more efficient alternate...)

    APK

    P.S.=> "Onwards & UPWARDS..."

    ... apk

  173. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  174. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  175. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  176. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  177. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  178. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  179. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  180. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  181. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. bad sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get past dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing (adblock & hardcoded favs)
    14.) Works on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) EZ data control
    16.) Block ads better vs. addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less vs. hosts less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN operation (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s a 128-151mb memory hog http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts use 3-11mb w/ my program initially). Even FireFox 41 adblock eats 65++mb http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s bribed not to work by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in slower usermode (w/ more messagepassing overhead + context switch vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    & Installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

  182. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talk
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C talk
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talk
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get by dns blocks
    12.) Keep off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound multiplatform.
    15.) Ez data control
    16.) Block ads better than addons more efficiently

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all + hosts = on devices natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less vs. hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it seeing addons used via native browser methods!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slow mode of operation (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who verified its source is safe http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi... ) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Its installer -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ... apk

  183. Re:Tell that to inferior, redundant, inefficient.. by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Your response is thoroughly off topic.

    If "world-class" means you don't listen to potential customers and beat them over the head with a spammy stream of tripe, then I really don't want any part of it.

    --
    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  184. By adding on "MoAr" illlogically... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hosts do the same for less resources in TOTAL moving parts & are native to your system minus my subject line.

    * :)

    (Tepples, "KISS" is a solid principle & I believe that working w/ what you have NATIVELY in pure kernelmode as I do it is the BEST way - & I've shown it vs. addons, dns, routers, & now you folks are reaching for proxies... ok, fine! I can do that one too, see above!)

    APK

    P.S.=> "Less is MORE = GOOD ENGINEERING" tepples... they disappear/go out of business? You're screwed, hosts don't... apk

  185. ClarityRAY does to addons already tepples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject, look them up - they nullify Adblock variants, ublock, ghostery (but afaik not hosts - can't: Not inside browser) & clarityray works USING Native Browser methods to detect + BLOCK addons users.

    APK

    P.S.=> You're doing me HUGE favors tepples & you seem to be a truth seeker... like what you see so far on hosts? Oh, I think so, considering you started a site to "PROVE APK WRONG" which is helping me bigtime & I thank you for it actually... apk

  186. Re:Easily countered point by so called point by tepples · · Score: 1

    Hosts will block any host-domain name placed into them as blocked

    Not if something uses 4 billion subdomains. Your current hosts file blocks about one-thousandth of that figure.

    I never intend to get to what's blocked

    I was referring to the case when you access something you know isn't blocked but isn't one of your favorites either. Does the registry hack you mentioned elsewhere fix that?

    Admins can centrally easy migrate hosts across a LAN via scripts (login or taskscheduled/chronjob work)

    I was referring to multiple users of one computer. Say I have a roommate who uses Facebook on her user account, but I want to block all access to Facebook, including tracking through its Like button script, while I'm logged in to my user account. With browser extensions, I could have it block fbcdn.net and facebook.com only for browser processes run under my user account. Is that a job for login scripts?