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Urban Death Project Aims To Rebuild Our Soil By Composting Corpses (inhabitat.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Urban Death Project utilizes the process of composting to safely and gently turn our deceased into soil-building material, creating a meaningful, equitable and ecological urban alternative to existing options for the disposition of the dead," said Katrina Spade, a designer based in Seattle. "The project is a solution to the overcrowding of city cemeteries, a sustainable method of disposing of our dead, and a new ritual for laying our loved ones to rest."

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  1. Pretty cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have always said this is the way I want to be buried. No embalming and no coffin. Just bury me in dirt and let the bugs have at me. I have looked in to it and it's actually a very difficult thing to do in most places because it's illegal to be buried this way.

    1. Re:Pretty cool by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was looking into the same thing a couple years ago and came to the same conclusion. It ain't easy. Even in states where it is legal, there are few choices. If I recall correctly, I found two locations in my state where a natural burial is possible, tho I may have extended my search to neighboring states. They still require a container because reasons but at least it can be biodegradable.

    2. Re:Pretty cool by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      There are places that allow you to be buried in a pet cemetery. Cheaper.

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    3. Re:Pretty cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd rather be cremated. Don't waste any valuable land on my remains, and if you can make use of the heat from my burning corpse feel free.

      Oooh, sorry, cremation is external application of heat, typically burning propane, but in some cases you can use oil or wood.

      The combustion of your body is minimal.

    4. Re:Pretty cool by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      Yes, dirt is unsanitary. In fact, decomposing biological material is one of the key things that makes dirt useful.

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    5. Re:Pretty cool by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not sure. Consider the nature of reincarnation. I don't know where I'm going with this.

      Usually, I say I want to be cremated because I don't trust the living to respect my body, since I have body parts of both genders. I always imagine they'd do something more fucked up to it than they already have, just to make a good looking young man in that coffin. So, I want it burned in the event that a Matheson "What Dreams May Come" afterlife is the true fate of souls. Then I can lol as I watch the monstrosity that isn't me burn before I go into the light.

      However, if somebody could guaranteed that this body would be added to a composting heap undisturbed, to let microorganisms break down its proteins, then perhaps that compost could be laid somewhere and maybe somebody would plant wildflowers (or some kind of flowers at least) in it. Then its proteins and other molecules could be repurposed as a flower garden. I wouldn't mind that, even in a Matheson "What Dreams May Come" scenario.

      But yeah, ultimately, I cannot trust humans to respect my body parts. Burn it, I say. Less to hang on to after death. I guess it's vanity in the end. Vanity ties us to this existence.

      In an empirical sense, yes, funerals are for the living. I'm just worried all this mysticism shit might not be made up. Funerals could be for the dead as well.

    6. Re:Pretty cool by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Conversely, I do have a lot of electrolytes - it's what plants crave.

    7. Re:Pretty cool by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Actually, after something's been dead for a while, it tends to become rather inhospitable to the microbes that cause disease in living creatures. There's a few diseases that can survive the death of their host, but that tends to be the exception rather than the rule. And if you cook the corpse thoroughly at some point in the process then even those shouldn't be an issue.

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    8. Re:Pretty cool by Skewray · · Score: 2

      There are places that allow you to be buried in a pet cemetery. Cheaper.

      My sister will green bury people along with their pets @ Eloise Woods.

    9. Re:Pretty cool by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

      I have always said this is the way I want to be buried. No embalming and no coffin. Just bury me in dirt and let the bugs have at me. I have looked in to it and it's actually a very difficult thing to do in most places because it's illegal to be buried this way.

      Nothing says you have to buy the shiny metal coffin from the funeral director.

      Skip the embalming and just get buried in a coffin made out of cheap pine. The carbon in the wood would actually help you compost into reasonably good soil.

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    10. Re:Pretty cool by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

      It is not like there is shortage of land. If someone doesn't bother to have a decent sepulture for his/her relative to commemorate once a while, there is plenty of land unsuitable for useful purpose for this. Deserts, namely. The argument to not waste valuable land doesn't hold water. But hey, you do whatever you want with your remains as long as it doesn't become a threat to others. I just believe the argumentation is a load of bullshit, it is not like rebuilding soil from human corpses make a significant difference overall. There is already plenty of organic material available to rebuild soil, they even convert it into fuel instead. Maybe we could turn human corpses into diesel or gasoline?

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    11. Re: Pretty cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Better than using water from the toilet.

    12. Re:Pretty cool by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      they could start burying people vertically and planting a tree/bush on top and create forests etc

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    13. Re:Pretty cool by terjeber · · Score: 2

      Yeah, it's really unsanitary. Think about it. Dirt. Also, growing food in that dirty stuff is terrible, and also animals eat stuff that grows in unsanitary dirt. I would recommend you stop eating. Also note, water runs through dirty dirt as well, so drinking is ill-adviced on that alone, but don't forget that all the water you consume will contain amounts of urine from birds, animals and probably humans. Finally, rotting corpses release a serious amount of nasty gases, they blend with the air, so breathing is also not recommended.

    14. Re:Pretty cool by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Just how much Arsenic is your typical person walking around with?

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    15. Re:Pretty cool by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      Humans, at the top of the food chain, do tend to concentrate heavy metals though. I think that is one argument against composting and using human waste for farming, along with the obvious pathogen concerns.

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    16. Re:Pretty cool by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

      I was actually thinking of just using any waste heat for something useful; not that my remains would be useful for fuel. There was even a news story not so long ago where a municipal pool was partly heated by the exhaust from a nearby crematorium.

      As for the post further down about space issues, there may be plenty of room in the US but for an extreme counter-example look at places like Japan where cremation is definitely the norm, in part because there just isn't the room for conventional burials. We're not quite at that stage in the UK but we have had problems locally with cemetaries getting increasingly cramped.

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    17. Re:Pretty cool by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I think if you were walking around with a lethal dose it would be sort of evident. And once you're mixed in with all the potato peelings it'll be dispersed again.

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    18. Re:Pretty cool by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Those problems have been there since Victorian times. There used to be a dead train out of London, running from a dedicated [deadicated? - Ed] station. With, of course, separate classes so that the dead nobs wouldn't have to mix with the dead oiks.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    19. Re:Pretty cool by Iconoc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When expanding highway 75, the main North/South artery that passes the downtown Dallas area around 1990, ground from an old forgotten cemetery was disturbed, and some of the construction workers were getting sick. Here is a few details of what they found. http://www.cemeteries-of-tx.co...

      That this "idea" comes from Seattle should be one of your first clues that this is a bad idea.

    20. Re:Pretty cool by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Evident by being a corpse, you mean? :p

      I don't mean a lethal dose. It's just like eating tuna.

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    21. Re:Pretty cool by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      There are places that allow you to be buried in a pet cemetery [philly.com]. Cheaper.

      I saw that movie. It doesn't turn out well.

    22. Re:Pretty cool by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      I'd love to have a tree planted over me. To become one with a tree that could provide shade and shelter for my future generations to sit under and appreciate... that'd be pretty awesome.

    23. Re:Pretty cool by riondluz · · Score: 1

      Considering that 'embalming' is done entirely for a presentable corpse at the wake and leaves a soupy puddle of 'remains' in that pricey coffin, your pine box is definately a better way to go. Litteraly!

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    24. Re:Pretty cool by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but exactly what sort of decomposing biological material? Human corpses are dangerous to humans, because of what they're made of. Decomposing banana peels are pretty much harmless.

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    25. Re:Pretty cool by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I can't help thinking that what happens after I death is not necessarily my problem. I want to leave my family in as good a condition as I can, but once I'm finished with this particular lump of protoplasm I don't care what happens to it. I don't want any sort of religious ceremony, but my loved ones already know that.

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    26. Re:Pretty cool by neonfrog · · Score: 1
      There's this option, Forensic Anthropology: http://fac.utk.edu/default.htm...

      I looked into this when crafting a living will. I want my body to go to science and have a use. This is one.

      What happens to my body after it is donated?

      Once we receive a body, we assign an identifying number and we place it at the Anthropology Research Facility (ARF), our outdoor laboratory. The body may be used in a decomposition project or not. Regardless, all of donations go to the ARF and are allowed to decompose naturally. Once the body is skeletonized, we recover the skeletal remains and clean them further. The cleaned bones are accessioned into the Bass Donated Skeletal Collection and are labeled with the identifying number. At this step, the remains are inventoried, measured and other data are collected. Once in the collection, all skeletal remains are utilized by researchers from varying academic and medico-legal institutions.

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    27. Re:Pretty cool by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      You can do whatever the hell you want with my corpse once I am dead... I am pretty sure that I won't care.

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    28. Re:Pretty cool by prunus.avium · · Score: 1

      Had this conversation with my wife the other day. My answer:

      Make me in to a LifeGem (Google it), mount me on a necklace, and let me hang between her boobs.

    29. Re:Pretty cool by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Oooh, sorry, cremation is external application of heat, typically burning propane, but in some cases you can use oil or wood.

      I remember when the Ebola crisis was burning around in the area (I was working in West Africa at the time) and people were wondering why bodies were being buried in bleach-soaked body bags, instead of being burned.

      The WHO's guidelines call for about 100kg of wood per corpse to cremate them safely, while the body bag and bleach weighs about 10kg. That makes a difference when you have hundreds of bodies to deal with. 200 bodies is a full lorry load of wood, which if you'renot got any access better than a dirt road, is a LOT.

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  2. Kind of like sky burial by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Interesting
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    1. Re:Kind of like sky burial by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      The only thing that would make this better for me would be if I could get my corpse shot out of a cannon onto the mountain amid fireworks.

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    2. Re:Kind of like sky burial by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      The only thing that would make this better for me would be if I could get my corpse shot out of a cannon onto the mountain amid fireworks.

      Yup. That would be a gonzo funeral.

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    3. Re:Kind of like sky burial by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Well, damn it. Now I'm going to have to come up with something more original.

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  3. Already did my part by sinij · · Score: 5, Funny

    I already did my part. This is exactly how I disposed of my mother-in-law's corpse.

  4. Re:Incinerate me by sinij · · Score: 2

    Why do you care what happens to your body after you die? You will be log gone by then.

  5. Urban Death by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    isn't that a good name for a band?

  6. I know just what to call it by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Soylent Brown

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    1. Re:I know just what to call it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Soylent Brown

      Then you plant some veggies in it. Soylent Brown is fertilizer, Soylent Green is people.

    2. Re:I know just what to call it by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      You mean "Soilent". It's what plants crave.

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  7. Re:Incinerate me by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And mix the ashes with a tad of soil and use that to plant a tree in a vase, when the tree grows a little, transplant it to ground.

    But DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES compost me!

    PS: In reality, my ashes will be thrown at sea. BUT DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES compost me!

    Cannot imagine whay that would bother you. Composting will certainly give back to the earth and to future generations.

    I have to note that I wanted cremated and flushed down the toilet at either a stripper bar or McDonald's. But this could be interesting. I'm envisioning my corpse being fed to one of those instant grinders like they use for rooster chicks (since only the hens lay eggs, and it's about a 50:50 mix at birth, so you do the math - then turning me into a nice compost for flowers or veggies.

    Would vegans refuse to eat veggies grown from human content compost?

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  8. SNL sketch . . . by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1

    Soylent brown . . . is. pee-puhl!

  9. Blossoming Cherry Trees by Kylon99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Dead bodies are buried under the cherry trees. -- Motojirou Kajii.

    I imagine a field where they recycle our flesh filled with bright red cherry trees in full bloom.

  10. Re:Incinerate me by GNious · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking composting me would result in a lot of toxins and heavy metals being added to the soil...

  11. Re:Incinerate me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > log gone

    Hee hee, plant a tree, die, log gone, I see what you did there

  12. Don't care by Snotnose · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The person in charge of me and my stuff when I'm gone knows 1 thing: as long as I'm dead I don't care what you do with me. Cremate me, bury me, donate me to science, chop me in pieces and toss me in the trash, I don't care. Just make sure I'm dead first.

    1. Re:Don't care by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just make sure I'm dead first.

      **gunshot fires** - Ok, what was next?

  13. Wood chipper by penguinoid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just use a wood chipper to take care of the problem. I know it works cause I saw it on TV.

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    1. Re:Wood chipper by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Just use a wood chipper to take care of the problem. I know it works cause I saw it on TV.

      Yeah, but didn't they catch and convict that guy? He did murder his wife before chipping her, after all.

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    2. Re:Wood chipper by Therefore+I+am · · Score: 1

      It would take much of the drama out of executions too, and provide an economical way of putting back into the food chain.

  14. Re: Reuse human waste by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    I just finished reading The Martian. Haven't seen the movie yet. It worked for him.

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  15. I would like to volunteer some participants. by Required+Snark · · Score: 3, Funny

    Most of them are currently breathing. I think this way they would be much more useful.

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  16. Re:Incinerate me by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Funny

    Would vegans refuse to eat veggies grown from human content compost?

    Just tell them it's soylent green.

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  17. Re: Reuse human waste by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    We used to use it as lawn fertilizer in Michigan from a product called Milorganite produced buy the Milwaukee sewer system.

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  18. My eyes must be tired: by Hartree · · Score: 4, Funny

    I read the headline as:

    "Urban Death Project Aims To Rebuild Our Soil By Composting Congress"

    And thought, "What an amazingly good idea!"

    1. Re:My eyes must be tired: by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1, Troll

      Especially since they are mostly full of shit to start with. Don't forget Obama and his minions, they can fertilize the back forty.

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    2. Re:My eyes must be tired: by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      We won't have to wait too long for some of them.

  19. Re:Incinerate me by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    Would vegans refuse to eat veggies grown from human content compost?

    Just tell them it's soylent green.

    But I gave up soy for Lent.

    Ugh..I apologize, I've wanted to uses that combination of words forever.

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  20. Environmentally unconscious by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, whatever you and your family want to do with your body is fine with me, but this is just idiotic from an environmental perspective. The environmental value of your body's chemical components is totally negligible compared to what you consume over your lifetime. I mean, I eat my weight's worth of food in a few months, so returning my body's nitrogen to the farmland is almost worthless. My share of fossil fuel burning is about 17 tonnes of carbon per year, so cremating the couple of kilograms of carbon I contain makes no difference.

    The only real environmental problem with burial is that it ties up valuable urban land in a cemetery forever. Which is definitely an issue, but it's easy to solve: just get yourself cremated. This composting thing is expensive, unsafe, and a waste of time.

    1. Re:Environmentally unconscious by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      This. Whatever my dead ass does to the planet is a rounding error compared to what I've done to it so far.

    2. Re:Environmentally unconscious by dwywit · · Score: 2

      Cremation takes a LOT of energy:

      https://www.quora.com/How-much...

      And it's not "clean":
      http://faculty.virginia.edu/me...

      I don't suppose there's any data yet about how much energy it takes to compost a corpse, but at least you're getting *something* of value at the end. I'd like to think that I'm giving something back after a lifetime of consumption.

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    3. Re:Environmentally unconscious by goodmanj · · Score: 2

      Cremation takes a LOT of energy

      Your link says 3 liters of fuel oil? That's about 1 hour's worth of fossil fuel usage for the average living American. Cremation probably takes longer than that, so you actually burn less carbon while you're literally on fire than while you were alive.

      at least you're getting *something* of value at the end.

      Yeah, a lifetime's worth of accumulated mercury and other heavy metals, a bellyfull of e. coli, and any parasites, viruses, and prescription drugs you happened to have when you died. Thanks for your generosity.

    4. Re:Environmentally unconscious by raind · · Score: 1

      Or every action has a consequence according to Universal Law. Everything is connected yes?

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    5. Re:Environmentally unconscious by dwywit · · Score: 1

      I'm glad you at least clicked on the link, but you've been selective. The article:

      "A human body usually contains a negative caloric value, meaning that energy is required to combust it. This is a result of the high water content; all water must be vaporized which requires a very large amount of thermal energy.
      A 68 kg (150 lbs) body which contains 65% water will require 100 MJ of thermal energy before any combustion will take place. 100 MJ is approximately equivalent to 32 m3 (105 ft3) of natural gas, or 3 liters of fuel oil (0.8 US gallons). Additional energy is necessary to make up for the heat capacity ("preheating") of the furnace, fuel burned for emissions control, and heat losses through the insulation and in the flue gases.
      As a result, cremators are most often heated by burners fueled by natural gas. LPG (propane/butane) or fuel oil may be used where natural gas is not available. These burners can range in power from 150 kW (0.5 MMBTU/h) to over 400 kW (1.5 MMBTU/h).
      Cremators heated by electricity also exist in India, where electric heating elements bring about cremation without the direct application of flame to the body.
      If electrical furnaces are used â" between 0.13 and 0.18 megajoules for each body. Or about 100kg wood per body."

      It says you'll use (the equivalent of) 3 litres of fuel oil BEFORE combustion takes place. That 3 litres is to vaporise the water in the corpse before the rest of it is able to burn.

      Anyway, the point is made in the first paragraph - the process takes more energy than it provides.

      Accumulated mercury and other heavy metals don't magically go away during cremation, and every animal contributes a load of pathogens to the environment when it dies - humans and some farmed animals also contribute the residues of prescription drugs. These are not insurmountable problems - hopefully the designers will address these issues.

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    6. Re:Environmentally unconscious by khallow · · Score: 1

      Or every action has a consequence according to Universal Law. Everything is connected yes?

      I'm also connected to asteroids in the Andromeda Galaxy. Maybe we should be firing off our corpses to there at nine tenths the speed of light because of that connection.

    7. Re:Environmentally unconscious by khallow · · Score: 1

      Your point is invalid because you used the "from an XXX perspective". This is the latest scourge of market/executive-speak that is sweeping American business.

      You do realize that point of view is just as old as humanity. It isn't a recent fad to attempt to consider other peoples' viewpoints. And you should welcome any market/executive-speak that actually acknowledges that there are other viewpoints out there rather than foolishly treat usage of it as some deeply flawed litmus test for a imaginary validity.

    8. Re:Environmentally unconscious by spaceman375 · · Score: 1

      The environmental value of your body's chemical components is totally negligible compared to what you consume over your lifetime.

      This is oversimplification to the point of just plain wrong. There are chemicals in your body (and your food) that took centuries of effort and huge investments of energy for the biosphere to put together just right so you could live on them. No, I'm not talking the chemical energy in the molecular bonds, I'm referring to the long, convoluted path from inorganic raw material to useful proteins and other specialized molecules that life depends on. It is an insult to life and our planet to just burn them into constituent atoms. This composting method recycles them into the biosphere almost intact, tho they do go into simpler life forms.

      I've been looking for a legal way to do this for at least 40 years. I'd prefer being fed to a few carnivores (lions would be nice) with the poop being composted, but this will do.

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    9. Re:Environmentally unconscious by goodmanj · · Score: 1

      Yes, cremation requires energy input: my point all along has been that that input is tiny compared to what a living human uses over any length of time: it amounts to a few kg of carbon. Your post doesn't counter that point.

      Accumulated mercury doesn't go away during cremation, but people typically keep the cremains rather than dumping them back into their food supply, and crematoria are starting to take this issue seriously. And yes, all animals pose a drug and pathogen risk even now, which is why we typically render them rather than composting, and we take extra special care when recycling animal parts and waste back into the food supply. If you don't, you get e. coli infested vegetables, mad cow disease, etc.

      In any case, my point was not that composting is definitely a serious threat, but that the potential risks aren't worth the tiny benefit.

    10. Re:Environmentally unconscious by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      The only real environmental problem with burial is that it ties up valuable urban land in a cemetery forever.

      Having some green spots in the city is hardly an "environmental problem", it's more like an environmental benefit. Nevertheless, in practice, graves and cemeteries are eventually reused one way or another (less so in the US, but the US is comparatively young).

    11. Re:Environmentally unconscious by goodmanj · · Score: 1

      Having some green spots in the city is hardly an "environmental problem"

      Agree, except that it's a non-renewable resource: once a cemetery, always a cemetery, and there's a social taboo against using them as public parks or letting them revert to nature. I first started thinking about this when my commute took me past some of the big cemeteries on the north side of Chicago. Square miles filled with the corpses of just one century's worth of Chicagoans. Give it another few centuries, and the dead will own more land than the living.

    12. Re:Environmentally unconscious by goodmanj · · Score: 1

      Your point that most cemeteries are eventually reused is well taken, though Americans are very *very* resistant to that, probably because they can afford to be.

    13. Re:Environmentally unconscious by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      I mean, whatever you and your family want to do with your body is fine with me, but this is just idiotic from an environmental perspective. The environmental value of your body's chemical components is totally negligible compared to what you consume over your lifetime. I mean, I eat my weight's worth of food in a few months, so returning my body's nitrogen to the farmland is almost worthless. My share of fossil fuel burning is about 17 tonnes of carbon per year, so cremating the couple of kilograms of carbon I contain makes no difference.

      The only real environmental problem with burial is that it ties up valuable urban land in a cemetery forever. Which is definitely an issue, but it's easy to solve: just get yourself cremated. This composting thing is expensive, unsafe, and a waste of time.

      Multiply these figures by the approximate number of people who died per day last year (153,424) and the numbers are no longer negligible.

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    14. Re:Environmentally unconscious by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Having some green spots in the city is hardly an "environmental problem"

      Agree, except that it's a non-renewable resource: once a cemetery, always a cemetery, and there's a social taboo against using them as public parks or letting them revert to nature. I first started thinking about this when my commute took me past some of the big cemeteries on the north side of Chicago. Square miles filled with the corpses of just one century's worth of Chicagoans. Give it another few centuries, and the dead will own more land than the living.

      I've always kind of wondered: in millions of years, will whatever we've evolved into or whatever evolved to replace us find our large cemetaries (think Arlington or the cemetaries you described) as excellent sources of oil?

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    15. Re:Environmentally unconscious by spaceman375 · · Score: 1

      Oversimplified once again. Trying to base your point on mass is missing the point entirely. Plants don't grow in sterile soil. Life is far more complicated and interdependent than you think.

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    16. Re:Environmentally unconscious by zmooc · · Score: 1

      totally negligible

      That might be true, but the continuous stream of valuable nutrients (especially hosphorus!) that used to simply be returned to the ground in the form of shit and bodies that are now either buried deeply or dumped in wastewater is probably huge. We cannot keep taking stuff from the environment and dump it in the sea or in graves and expect this not to have an impact. About 1% of the human body is phosporus. We contain 4% of total yearly phosporus. After burying a few hundred years worth of human bodies this starts to add up to quite a lot.

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    17. Re:Environmentally unconscious by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Agree, except that it's a non-renewable resource: once a cemetery, always a cemetery

      Bullshit. Uranium is a non-renewable resource. A cemetery is just land, no more and no less of a "non-renewable resource" than other land, it just happens to be owned by a trust right now, but that can change. Stupid fear mongering.

  21. Presence of pharmaceuticals by Leomania · · Score: 1

    With the number of pills taken by the elderly these days, not to mention people who die in the hospital who may have all sorts of compounds pumped into them before they die, I wonder if the composting process fully breaks them down, or at least to safe levels. I didn't see any mention of it in TFA.

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    1. Re:Presence of pharmaceuticals by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Making a complete guess, since the concentrations in the body were likely non-lethal to begin with (unless it's what killed the person) the chances of it being in the soil at any kind of harmful levels after it has been rained on over and over again while the body rots is probably vanishingly small.

  22. Soil-ent green? by charlieo88 · · Score: 2

    "You tell everybody. Listen to me, Hatcher. You've gotta tell them! Soylent Green is people! We've gotta stop them somehow!"

  23. Happening already by no-body · · Score: 4, Informative

    in cemetery - happy trees there.

    With this project though - the fact how bones are handled is totally left out. They sure won't compose any time soon.
    For composting, skull needs to be cracked open, bones ground up and soft body parts chopped into small pieces, like 2" dia, otherwise no composting, gets into stinky anaerobic process. A body, maybe 180 lbs > 60 % water, very challenging to compost, needs tons of carbon (wood) to compensate.

    In recycling organic waste, let's say from restaurants or supermarkets, the major problem to get this material composted is to offset the water content with wood.

    If reality kicks in with composting human bodies and gets public, people will be getting upset.

    Looks like a very loony project - scamming airheads.

    1. Re:Happening already by PPH · · Score: 1

      For composting, skull needs to be cracked open, bones ground up and soft body parts chopped into small pieces,

      It's been done

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    2. Re:Happening already by no-body · · Score: 1

      For composting, skull needs to be cracked open, bones ground up and soft body parts chopped into small pieces,

      It's been done

      Movie Fargo has a method too - all nothing good for kickstarter...

    3. Re:Happening already by wasteoid · · Score: 1

      You sure know a lot about disposing of human bodies.

    4. Re:Happening already by maestroX · · Score: 1

      Geez, the nick Dexter was already taken Doctor Nobody?

    5. Re:Happening already by c · · Score: 2

      For composting, skull needs to be cracked open, bones ground up and soft body parts chopped into small pieces, like 2" dia, otherwise no composting, gets into stinky anaerobic process. A body, maybe 180 lbs > 60 % water, very challenging to compost, needs tons of carbon (wood) to compensate.

      No problem. As part of the new burial rituals, the grieving widow pull starts the wood chipper and the pallbearers feed in the corpse, casket, and an entire bouquet of roses. It's very respectful and dignified, assuming the deceased cooperates and stays quiet through the entire service.

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  24. The ethics are interesting by ShaunC · · Score: 1

    Vegetable gardening and fishing are my top two hobbies. There's a cyclical symbiosis there, if you look for it: you can eat the fish, bury its remains in your garden, grow vegetables supplemented by that fertilizer, and then use some of those vegetables (corn kernels) to catch more fish. This is nature. At a fundamental level, what difference does it make whether it's a fish carcass or my own rotting in a compost pile? None, really, so I get where the Urban Death Project is coming from. All of us carbon-based life forms will biodegrade, some of us just break down more slowly than others. It's a matter of scale.

    I'm not going to donate my future self to this project, but I understand where they're coming from. I get it. Ultimately, each one of us is just another pile of biodegradable slop. Would I accept fertilizing my vegetables with human remains? No, I don't think I could handle that. I hope humanity doesn't reach a point where that becomes a viable option.

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  25. Re:Reuse human waste by Harlequin80 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Medication is a huge issue when it comes to human waste. Lots and lots and lots of the drugs we take pass nasty by products into our waste that aren't easily removed. So one of the challenges around waste treatment plants is the disposal of the solid/sludge component. It isn't something that you could use as fertilizer without health impacts.

  26. Bio-urn? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    This is something like what my wife and I have planned.

    1. Re:Bio-urn? by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      If you want to turn your remains into a tree, just have yourself buried in the usual way (ashes or coffin) and plant a seed. No need for buying some proprietary product. Your cemetery gardener may even select a species that will actually grow properly under the local conditions.

  27. Re:Incinerate me by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    Cannot imagine whay that would bother you.

    Because the idea of someone tending and revering the rotting meat sack like it's a sacred artifact is kinds of creepy. Embalming it so you can pretend it's not dead is even creepier.

    Would vegans refuse to eat veggies grown from human content compost?

    I sure would (OK, I'm a vegetarian), for the same reason I don't agree with using human waste as compost ... humans are dirty, carry plenty of disease, and a modern human is mostly processed crap.

    Which means I assume there's a lot of pathogens and other things which would come into play which we haven't yet established as safe ... Hep C and decades of pharmaceuticals, heavy metals, McDonald's, KFC, Viagra, and whatever other crap we dump into our bodies come to mind.

    I seriously doubt humans are fit for consumption by anything, let alone humans.

    Hell, the animals we grow for the purpose of eating aren't fit to eat in my opinion; the nasty disgusting carcass of a modern human? The mind reels at just how nasty that must be.

    Really, would you eat medical waste? Because that's what you're talking about.

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  28. This explains ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... the trouble I get in when Seattle garbage inspectors find bodies I've thrown out in the garbage. I guess they should have been in the compostable bin.

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    1. Re:This explains ... by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the scene in the movie Better Off Dead:

      "Aww, what to we have here? Looks like somebody threw out a perfectly good white boy."

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  29. From Dirt You Were Created by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    And to dirt you shall return.

  30. Re:Incinerate me by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Humans are the top of the food chain. When you think about eating fish from Lake Erie.... Eating human flesh is much much worse. We're so full of toxins by the time we reach old age.

  31. Soilent green by slazzy · · Score: 1

    They could call it soil-lent green? It really is made from people, and grows green plants.

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  32. Re:Incinerate me by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES compost me!

    I've already made my preferences known to my family:

    "Get six jolly cowboys to carry my coffin.
    Six dance-hall maidens to bear up my pall.
    Throw bunches of roses all over my coffin.
    Roses to deaden the clods as they fall."

    Then beat the drum slowly, play the Fife lowly.
    Play the dead march as you carry me along.
    Take me to the green valley, lay the sod o'er me,
    I'm a young cowboy and I know I've done wrong."

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  33. Re: Reuse human waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sure it is. It just needs to be composted for 2-3 years for the bacteria in it to heat up and die off. People have been using it for thousands of years. Mix it with other stuff like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and you'll end up creating some good soil.

  34. Re:Incinerate me by dwywit · · Score: 1

    At what point is it OK to eat anything, then? There's going to be some form of human and other animal residue in any soil that's cultivated for food crops. It might be the farmer dropping a deuce out in the paddock because he/she couldn't be bothered going back to the farmhouse, miles away. It could be skin flakes and sweat, it could be bird droppings, a decomposing snake or rat. I'm not dissing your beliefs, I would really like to know where you draw the line.

    Although there's bound to be some accumulated heavy metals and other toxins (for want of a better word) in a human corpse, there's also bucketloads of nutrients. This is a worthwhile experiment, and I'm keen to see the results.

    P.S. humans are fit for consumption by lots of things, from bacteria, through worms, all the way up to sharks and crocodiles.

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  35. Re:Incinerate me by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    Cannot imagine whay that would bother you.

    Because the idea of someone tending and revering the rotting meat sack like it's a sacred artifact is kinds of creepy.

    Hard to imagine that you'd intentionally rot something is treating it as a sacred artifact. The crap in that article about teh loving family wrapping the sorpse in linen is just some goofy crap about people that might find it off-putting.

    There isn't anything at all unnatural about the decomposition process.

    Would vegans refuse to eat veggies grown from human content compost?

    I sure would (OK, I'm a vegetarian), for the same reason

    So how do you keep animal corpse byproducts out of the food you eat? Or do you just eat hydroponically grown veggies?

    I don't agree with using human waste as compost ...

    That's good, because it isn't compost. You might use it as a fertilizer for it. But compost is broken down organic products, not manure. Manure might be added to compost.

    humans are dirty, carry plenty of disease, and a modern human is mostly processed crap.

    No more so than any other flesh based component of compost. By the time it has been broken down it isn't a human, or any other animal.

    Which means I assume there's a lot of pathogens and other things which would come into play which we haven't yet established as safe ... Hep C and decades of pharmaceuticals, heavy metals, McDonald's, KFC, Viagra, and whatever other crap we dump into our bodies come to mind.

    Have you ever tried Breatharianism? Migh tjust be about pure enough.

    I seriously doubt humans are fit for consumption by anything, let alone humans.

    Hell, the animals we grow for the purpose of eating aren't fit to eat in my opinion; the nasty disgusting carcass of a modern human? The mind reels at just how nasty that must be.

    Really, would you eat medical waste? Because that's what you're talking about.

    Okay, I thought I had a rather cynical view of humanity, but your hatred of the species is nothing I could ever aspire to. Gopod luck with that.

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  36. Ob. Soylent Green by zorro-z · · Score: 1

    IT'S PEOPLE! IT'S MADE OF PEOPLE!

    Like I said, obligatory. But, as has been noted, it's hardly a radical thought- chances are that, no matter where you stand, there's a dead body buried beneath you. If that makes you uncomfortable, well, see if you can get up on the Cloud Ark or something.

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  37. When I'm dead by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    You can feed me to the crows for all it matters.

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  38. Re:Reuse human waste by dwywit · · Score: 2

    Here's a thought - put the corpses through an industrial grinder to reduce them to slop, then dispose of the slop way out in the ocean.

    Result? A reduction of atmospheric CO2 from algal blooms. Win-win, I say.

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  39. Re:Incinerate me by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    So how do you keep animal corpse byproducts out of the food you eat?

    You know why we have E-coli outbreaks? Because animal waste and other garbage contaminates food.

    You know why we have things like "mad cow disease"? Because some idiot decided grinding up sheep to feed to cows made sense -- despite that cows are herbivores and not evolved to ingest sheep.

    No more so than any other flesh based component of compost.

    My father made his own garden compost for a lot of years, and quite frankly meat caused more problems than it contributed ... because the meat rotted and got nasty and didn't break down into nice clean compost. That's why we historically slop pigs with it, because they do a better job of turning it into something useful -- meat. I won't eat it, but I do know why we've had pigs in agriculture for thousands of years.

    You'll notice we don't use the term "manure" to include the shit from carnivores, and people don't generally eat carnivores ... because it develops a really nasty flavor due to concentrating everything else in the food chain.

    Okay, I thought I had a rather cynical view of humanity, but your hatred of the species is nothing I could ever aspire to.

    Look around at your average person you see in Wal Mart. Overweight, loaded up with sodium and other nasty chemicals, fat, grease, oil, medicines -- prepared food and other garbage.

    If someone put half of that shit into cows, you wouldn't eat that. Well, increasingly we do put that shit into cows, and people are discovering it's unhealthy and quite the opposite of good for you. In fact, it contributes to makes use overall more sick.

    A human from an abstract agrarian culture? Well, there's an "ick" factor, but it isn't quite so loaded with the crap modern humans put in.

    If our waterways are full of hormones and antibiotics because we put it into our bodies and excrete it out, you can't claim that a human is fit for eating.

    You can go ahead and eat whatever you want. I don't give a shit. But you'll notice nobody is looking to use dog crap as manure, or eating wolves ... precisely because, unlike eating cows and other herbivores, they're mostly a concentration of garbage which doesn't add any value to compost.

    I don't hate humans. But I look at modern humans as anything but what I'd call a clean food source ... because modern life fills us with chemicals and other garbage the FDA wouldn't let you put into cows,

    I sure as fuck wouldn't eat something which I knew had humans as compost, and if I had my option, I wouldn't want something which had ground up cows or cats or monkeys as compost either. Precisely because I know damned well there are diseases which can spread from this.

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  40. Re: Incinerate me by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    How do you know?

    It's a pretty good assumption. The odds are in favour of there not being some magic afterlife, on the grounds that there has been not one shred of evidence to suggest such a thing might exist.

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  41. Re:Incinerate me by CanadianRealist · · Score: 1

    My father made his own garden compost for a lot of years, and quite frankly meat caused more problems than it contributed ... because the meat rotted and got nasty and didn't break down into nice clean compost.

    It's true that a small compost pile cannot handle meat, but industrial scale piles can because they generate much more heat, which also kills off the bacteria.

    Green bin programs collect kitchen scraps including meat, fish and bones in addition to the usual vegetable matter. All of it is composted.

  42. Re:Anybody Here Actually Maintained A Compost Heap by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Actually you can compost meat just fine, it just needs to be processed differently than vegetable matter if you want to avoid the stench and potential disease issues. Though I think even normal composting will work if you're scrupulous enough about turning it regularly and keeping the temperature up.

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  43. Re:Incinerate me by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 2

    Look up black soldier flies. They are common flies whose larvae are used for composting, and are very effective with all organics including meat wastes, usually much faster reduction than normal composting. The larvae themselves are protein rich and are great feed for chickens.

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  44. Re: Reuse human waste by jblues · · Score: 2

    As the book says, direct shit(human)-to-farm in a tight loop is a very bad idea on earth - bacteria and parasites that do well in (but not for) people are given an ideal transmission vector. An example disease is Amoebiasis (had it, not fun). It is very common in developing nations, where these kinds of farming practices are sometimes employed. But a composting toilet solves this. And good, modern ones can do so without any smells or unpleasantness.

    I reckon Elon Musk/Tesla should do a composting toilet. It is the logical companion project to post-industrial-modernist home produced & stored electricity. The problem is, I guess, that Tesla's usual business model of capturing hearts and minds by going for the prestige end of the market first could be a bit tricky. Any ideas?

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  45. Re:Reuse human waste by jblues · · Score: 2

    It would be cool if the algal blooms could form an image of the recently departed, when viewed form high above. Perhaps with a caption like: "I told you I was sick!"

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  46. Sky burial is not limited to Tibet by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    http://www.academia.edu/375869...

    The practice of Sky Burial was at one time, pretty common, from Anatolia to China

    Even today, the Parsi people (whose ancestors came from Persia - currently known as Iran) in India still practice Sky Burial

    http://www.treehugger.com/cult...

    In Iran, "Towers of Silence" still exist, in remote places

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/atl...

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  47. Calling it by bestweasel · · Score: 1

    Katrina Spade? Where did they dig her up from then, eh?

  48. Re:Incinerate me by adolf · · Score: 1

    When I lived in town and also had room for a convenient compost pile, all food scraps that were deemed unsuitable to be fed to the dog were composted (aside from, perhaps, bulk used cooking oil).

    This was done very indiscriminately. Vegetable matter, cooked meat, raw meat, bones, exoskeletons from shellfish: Whatever we didn't/wouldn't eat got composted. Paper plates and napkins, too.

    The vegetable matter did its usual and unsurprising thing. The meat was either picked clean by scavengers if left uncovered, or if thinly buried would be quickly destroyed by maggots, or if more deeply buried it would turn into a haven for all kinds of creepy little earth-dwelling bugs.

    One time there was a family of kittens living in, and consuming, the remains of a 38-pound turkey that was put there after Thanksgiving. They were feral, as was their mother, and they all seemed very healthy before they got big and wandered away.

    In all cases, it would turn into good, rich compost. And I would use this compost in the vegetable garden, where I had excellent results despite having clay soil, with zero insect pest problems on the plants, zero pesticide, and minimal extra fertilizer (and that probably could have been replaced with more compost later and/or good cover crops earlier, given sufficient motivation).

    It was a cold-ish compost pile, in that I didn't pay much attention to it other than to stir and chop it around with a sharp hoe every now and then. Sometimes in the spring I would drop some red worms from a bait shop in and they seemed to do quite well in there.

    Prions seem to be the chief worry when it comes to composted meat, but meh. Worrying about prions (many of which are impossible to destroy with cooking) isn't my thing, since this all started with food that I had purchased myself for consumption by myself and my family.

    The cherry tomatoes from that garden fed with meat-compost were the best I've ever had, and no, I didn't ever wash them before eating them by the handful.

    That said: Composting modern people? Hmm. I might sign up for the end of my days, but I don't think I'll be using any human compost in my vegetable garden before then.

  49. Re:Anybody Here Actually Maintained A Compost Heap by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    Any small animal the cat killed we'd throw into the compost bin and the worms didn't seem to mind.

  50. Re:Anybody Here Actually Maintained A Compost Heap by bestweasel · · Score: 1

    I think you should get out more.

  51. A New Religion by camg188 · · Score: 2

    a new ritual for laying our loved ones to rest.

    "Environmentalism is the religion of choice for urban atheists" - Michael Crichton

  52. Prior art: Johnny Cash by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    viz. the song 'Look at them beans'.

  53. Re: Incinerate me by bjwest · · Score: 2

    How do you know?

    Does it really matter? With or without an afterlife, once the brain is dead you are no longer in that body. Funerals and corps preserving are for the living, the dead are dead, and no longer care. I say let body decompose and return to the earth, just like every other living thing.

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  54. Hmm by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Can somebody (or some body) explain why this is "equitable"?

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  55. Death is the road to awe by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    Izzi: Remember Moses Morales?

    Tom Creo: Who?

    Izzi: The Mayan guide I told you about.

    Tom Creo: From your trip.

    Izzi: Yeah. The last night I was with him, he told me about his father, who had died. Well Moses wouldn't believe it.

    Tom Creo: Izzi...

    Izzi: [embraces Tom] No, no. Listen, listen. He said that if they dug his father's body up, it would be gone. They planted a seed over his grave. The seed became a tree. Moses said his father became a part of that tree. He grew into the wood, into the bloom. And when a sparrow ate the tree's fruit, his father flew with the birds. He said... death was his father's road to awe. That's what he called it. The road to awe. Now, I've been trying to write the last chapter and I haven't been able to get that out of my head!

    Tom Creo: Why are you telling me this?

    Izzi: I'm not afraid anymore, Tommy.

    Quoted from the movie, The Fountain.

  56. Safely and gently? by DrXym · · Score: 1

    Why not feed corpses into a mincer and then plough them into a field?

  57. Buoy by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

    We just need to tether dead bodies to buoys out around the coastline to feed the sharks.

    Should help cut down on the 15 or so shark attacks we have every year. /s

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  58. Re:Incinerate me by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    Would vegans refuse to eat veggies grown from human content compost?

    They already eat food fertilized with animal waste and keep carnivores as pets. Don't necessarily look for consistency.

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  59. Toxic dumping by sinij · · Score: 2

    I am fairly sure Toxic Dumping is against the law.

  60. Re:Incinerate me by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    You know why we have E-coli outbreaks? Because animal waste and other garbage contaminates food.

    No shit? That's a joke son. One thing is pretty simple. Clean the food. Cook the food.

    Here's a story that will make you cringe. My Grandmother raised 8 healthy strapping children during the great depression. Shae was an incredible gardener. Her secret? manure tea.

    She kept chickens as well. Scooped up the manure and put it in a barrel that colleccted rainwater off one of the sheds. Every so often, she'd dip an old saucepan in the water and give the plants a little drink of chickenshit tea. Not a lot you see, chicken manure is a very powerful fertilizer and too much can kill the plant. The tea helped dilute it, but you still had to be careful.

    I ate a lot of her veggies when I was little. They were completely clean, well washed, and nicely cooked. 100 percent organic.

    That's another weird thing. My family was organic foodies long before it was popular.

    You know why we have things like "mad cow disease"? Because some idiot decided grinding up sheep to feed to cows made sense -- despite that cows are herbivores and not evolved to ingest sheep.

    On that, I agree. Corporate husbandry has done even worse stuff than that. Newspapers and shit as a food source with massive doese of antibiotics. Fucking sickening.

    My father made his own garden compost for a lot of years, and quite frankly meat caused more problems than it contributed ... because the meat rotted and got nasty and didn't break down into nice clean compost.

    It pretty much needs a different process. I compost mostly with old leaves - mulch 'em up and let them sit for a few years or so. If there is a heaven, it smells like my leaf compost.

    Look around at your average person you see in Wal Mart. Overweight, loaded up with sodium and other nasty chemicals, fat, grease, oil, medicines -- prepared food and other garbage.

    Geeze man, take a deep breath or two.

    If our waterways are full of hormones and antibiotics because we put it into our bodies and excrete it out, you can't claim that a human is fit for eating.

    But we have used what we used, and our bodies have excreted the rest. Most of what you cite is a problem and one I agree with. I just want to fix the problem, and excreted meds are a problem as more and more people go on maintenance drugs. Its not an intractable problem.

    You can go ahead and eat whatever you want. I don't give a shit.

    Thank you!

    But you'll notice nobody is looking to use dog crap as manure, or eating wolves

    Side note: apparently while edible, never eat the liver of a frank or almost exclusively carnivore. Their livers have an intense concentration of vitamin A, which can lead to problems.

    I sure as fuck wouldn't eat something which I knew had humans as compost, and if I had my option, I wouldn't want something which had ground up cows or cats or monkeys as compost either. Precisely because I know damned well there are diseases which can spread from this.

    At what level of separation do you hold previously deteriorated meat acceptable? After a turkey vulture eats an animal and shits it out? There is a cycle of composition/decomposition going on, and it has been for a long time. There might be some molecules of Alexander the Great's piss, or even Jeffrey Dahmer's for that matter, in the Evian you drank this morning. It isn't something we can get away from.

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  61. Woodchipper by kheldan · · Score: 1

    I don't believe in an 'afterlife' or 'gods' or any of that nonsense so as far as I'm concerned once I'm dead (and you'd better be damned sure I'm completely dead first!) so far as I'm concerned you can put me through a woodchipper or a giant Blendtec blender on 'Liquify' for all I care.

    The real problem with an idea like this is all the religious types. Some of them will literally become homicidal over something like this because of their beliefs. Since we can't seem to shake off the whole 'religion' thing to start with, that makes an idea like this a total non-starter. Meanwhile I guess they can encourage cremation.

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  62. Re: Incinerate me by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    If there is no afterlife, then I'm gone when I'm dead, and my only concern is to make sure my family is well off without me.

    If there is an afterlife, and I either hang around as a spirit or reincarnate or something, what use do I have for my current body any more? I'm not that sentimental, and I can see no real spiritual use for it.

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  63. Re:Incinerate me by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Like this urge I have to sometime shout "Theater" in a crowded fire? I'm not likely to get the opportunity, and really don't want it, but if I'm ever in one....

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  64. Re:Incinerate me by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Would vegans refuse to eat veggies grown from human content compost?

    They already eat food fertilized with animal waste and keep carnivores as pets. Don't necessarily look for consistency.

    Exactly. Consistency is always teh problem of philosophical Vegetarianism, and especially veganism.

    The furter one goes into teh world of "If you eat this, you are not a good person, the whackier it gets.

    I've said it before, in my estimation, all life is precious, from bacteria to yeast to plants and animals. Not a one of us has managed to survive without killing something. Plants are living organisms, and vegetarians and vegans kill them without a second thought.

    Even the ne plus ultra of the "I am better than you because I don't eat ( fill in the blank)" the breatharians, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... , in addition to soon dying after truly engaging in their superiority over others and not party tricks, their immune systems have merrily been killing other life forms until they shift this mortal coil

    Perhaps some day we will become chemoautotrophs, but I'm not holding my breath.

    I've given thought to this, and since it is a fact of life that none of us live, I sort of follow the American Indian example of mentally thanking the being or thing that gave it's life so that I could continue mine.

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    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  65. Wouldn't help that much by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    Given the rate that soil is being lost with modern farming techniques even composting every person that dies wouldn't replace all of the soil lost.

  66. Re:Incinerate me by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    Like this urge I have to sometime shout "Theater" in a crowded fire? I'm not likely to get the opportunity, and really don't want it, but if I'm ever in one....

    Like I was at a big fight, and a Hockey game broke out.

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    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  67. Composting != Rotting by GrantRobertson · · Score: 1

    Composting is an aerobic decomposition process that generates enough heat to kill all pathogenic bacteria. Read any good book about composting (or even a decent pamphlet) and that is the most important thing you will learn. So, by definition, composting human remains leaves no viable pathogens. Bodies dug up in cemeteries are unsanitary because they decomposed anaerobically, at low temperatures. It is almost as if cemeteries were designed to be unsafe.

    It never ceases to amaze me, just how well-rounded Slashdotters, in general, are not. Push back from your computers and go do something outside every once in a while. Grow a garden. Build a shed. Clean a stream. Something.

  68. Given all the toxic drugs dumped into people by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    Keeping them out of the food chain is probably a very good idea.