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DeLoreans To Go Back To Production (cnn.com)
An anonymous reader writes: The last time a DeLorean was built was about 35 years ago, but that is all about to change. Next year, you'll be able to buy a new 2017 DeLorean to satisfy all your deepest Back to the Future dreams. CNN reports: "The new production plan is itself something of a time warp. The cars will be built from an inventory of a million spare parts that have been in storage ever since the Belfast plant closed. Only the engine will be a creature of the 21st century."
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This same company has been building small quantities for awhile now. What is different is this new batch is now federally compliant.
I'm not buying one unless it's powered by a Mr Fusion.
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You could already get a good used one for $15,000-$30,000... http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/?0=0&makeFacet=DeLorean&adtypeFacet=Vehicles%20for%20Sale&page_size=15&sort=price_asc
You don't have to worry about mileage because as soon as you drive one you'll understand why DMC went out of business. Also the added derp from all the people saying "OMG BACK TO THE FUTURE CAR" will wear off and you'll want to keep it locked away in your garage.
Trust me as someone who drove the the "Urkel Mobile" (BMW Isetta) for a few weeks.
The Studebaker Avanti? Or is it already being produced?
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I have heard they were built so poorly that they are infamous as the only collectable car that you do not want to have original internals.
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Good luck with the side impact regulations from 2007 that you need to pass:
http://www.edmunds.com/car-saf...
Not much plastic in a Delorean - the body of the car is sheet metal, unlike a lot of modern cars.
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The engine and transmission were underwhelming in the original, and modern engines with significantly higher power, and lower weight, are ubiquitous. If it had decent engineering -- as in, if they are using a modern differential and wheel bearings -- the stainless steel body could make for a car that lasts for decades. However, man, the dash design was seriously dated and would need a ton of updating to look even modern, much less futuristic.
In other words, I'm dubious about the commercial viability of that car's design with only a new engine. A new engine, drivetrain, interior, and electronics, would make an interesting car... but that's not quite the same as "only the engine [will be changed]".
Nostalgia's not what it used to be.
Not much plastic in a Delorean - the body of the car is sheet metal, unlike a lot of modern cars.
The plastic parts of a modern car body tend to be those that are the first to hit something (or someone), i.e. front and rear bumpers. Some people might say that's a good thing.
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In what timeline would anyone pay that much?
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What the dash isn't molded plastic in a Delorean like it is in every mass produced vehicle today?
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i bet not.
So, you are saying it's an after-market add-on?
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No word on where they will source the "Flux Capacitor" from?
DeLoreans were garbage by 1985 standards.
This is just another scam to separate a few fools from their money.
they talked about a few years ago?
Not much plastic in a Delorean - the body of the car is sheet metal, unlike a lot of modern cars.
I thought the body was stainless steel on these things - no need for paint.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
In a reasonably climate controlled warehouse they'd still be in 'like new' condition. If not, the company that bought DMC's rights and became DMC has the molds to make new ones.
I don't read AC A human right
Delorean, snort started and would follow a white line anywhere.
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"Only the engine will be a creature of the 21st century."
The engine definitely needs to be.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Will the new DeLoreans be any better?
A new engine might be a good step in that direction.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
I just wonder if the new engines will make the car actually able to reach 85mph.
It's stainless sheet metal, and you are correct - no need for paint.
I don't read AC A human right
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It was widely reported at the time that the government (who were very unhappy) had the body dies destroyed. None of the articles mention how they will build new cars after the legacy stock of body parts is depleted.
But there's evidence that they're at the bottom of Ards Bay, Connemara, being used as fish net anchors.
http://www.dmcnews.com/Resourc...
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Doubtful, I've accidentally done a bit of research on the DeLorian a few late nights on the internet, and from all accounts, the molds for making the body panels and interior were dumped into the ocean back when DMC shut down, to 'protect trade secrets', which is why they use the warehoused parts, and why they cost so damn much.
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Horrid car. If it hadn't been picked randomly to be the centrepiece of a cultish film, no-one would remember them now except possibly as the reason for an infamous downfall. And being part of a cultish film might be a good enough reason to want to own an original one as a conversation piece, but who in their right minds would want to own a new one, to be used as an actual car?
Huh, when I did the research I found that the new DMC company had the ability to make all parts if necessary, though for a lot they still had lots of original parts they could use for most of it.
Then again, they might of ended up recreating some tooling, or even using more modern production methods.
I don't read AC A human right
Not much plastic in a Delorean - the body of the car is sheet metal, unlike a lot of modern cars.
I thought the body was stainless steel on these things - no need for paint.
Yes, I think you can call it the anti-Corvette. A steel body and a fiberglass frame.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
You'd be surprised at how well plastic holds up when it's made to take the sun all the time. In terms of body panels, those very first Saturns(made by GM) are 26-27 years old now. They used plastic composite body panels. Those interior panels? Also held up very well. If I have one complaint, it's like many cars and their roof liner the foam is actually what fails as the mating surface.
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car without an autopilot?
We could do that.
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It has a steel frame, fibreglass underbody and stainless steel panels screwed onto the underbody like cladding. The nose and tail valances are some kind of ABS plastic, also screwed into the underbody.
(1.21 gigawatts) / (88 miles per hour) = 30 757 874 newtons
They're talking about putting in an engine w/ 300-400 hp, which doesn't sound like a huge number, but the original car weighed 2700 lb. If they're close to that weight with a decent transmission it will be damn fast.
I can see a few problems though. The original frame/engine mount only had to deal w/ 130 hp, so probably some modifications needed there. The weight distribution was 35/65 front/rear. With a presumably heavier engine/transmission and anything else needed back there that ratio could get problematic.
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The interior trim is sort of fake leather effect vinyl. The front of the seats is actual leather. The fake leather stuff has hard foam sprayed onto the back of it to keep its shape. There's very little hard molded plastic as such in there. Around the steering wheel where the ignition barrel goes is moulded plastic. I cant think of anywhere else in the interior that isnt more upholstered than moulded. The knobs and switches are all plastic. The dash is a sheet of metal set into the fibreglass underbody with one of these foam back fake leather panels bolted on to it.
(1.21 gigawatts) / (88 miles per hour) = 30 757 874 newtons
With modern tech, it's easy to recreate both the body panel toolchain and the plastic molds - 3D scanning is so far beyond 30 years ago. However, it likely makes no financial sense at all to build that toolchain or make those molds - those are very capital-intensive.
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They have hydraulic brakes front and rear. The handbrake is cable operated though, but that wouldnt stop you from slowing down. Incidentally, even if you do apply the handbrake it doesnt work properly because of the shape of the brake pads. Unless you spend time chamfering the pads to the right shape it will alway roll backwards.
(1.21 gigawatts) / (88 miles per hour) = 30 757 874 newtons
They already do.
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Thats good it sounds like most of it wouldn't degrade much in storage. Anyone who has ever delt with trailer house tires should know what I was talking about still looks brand new but breaks as soon as you try to use it.
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Sigh. they used to be only $10,000. I really want one too. Maybe for christmas...
my Mk.II Burner has a 30 year old Skyway mag on the front. I still ride it.
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When the (by then diversified) Studebaker Corporation pulled the plug on automobile manufacturing, a couple of Studebaker dealers hui'ed up to create a company to keep making Avantis. Among other things, they bought the existing stock of Lark convertible sedan frames the Avanti body sat on. From '66 through '83, they cranked out about 3000 Avanti II's, basically Studebakers with Chevy engines and transmissions.
When the company ran out of Lark frames, they reworked the car to use the Chevy Monte Carlo chassis.
In the case of the new DeLorean company, I suspect they'll run through the existing stock of parts and call it a day. But, if they are hot sellers, I wouldn't be surprised if the principals drafted new blueprints and sourced some fresh chassis, fiberglas bodies, and stainless steel panels. DeLorean II?
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Which was mediocre even in its day.
I bet they could find some cute little 8 to put in there, that's what I would do. Hell, I wonder if there's room in Deloreans to retrofit an Audi V6 and transaxle. That would pep them right up. You could stuff it into a tree in no time.
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What I want to know is: Does it still have the spaghetti mess of vacuum lines under the dashboard? They must have used vacuum for everything. I put a stereo in a DeLorean years ago when I worked in the car stereo and car alarm business. I couldn't believe what I saw.
This is nonsense. If they have the parts to create new cars, it's trivial to make new molds for those parts. Even if the original molds were scrapped it doesn't take much to create a mold from an existing thing to make a replica of that thing. It's not even extraordinarily expensive from a corporate perspective.
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Ok I get it the cars appearance was due to a popular movie. Nostalgia aside it's look and design are really not that cool looking to 2016 sensibilities. It would be nice if they had elements of the Delorean that was popular, but also style changes for today's look.
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OK sure, but I'm not sure how cutting taxes or eviscrating public services would help retreive them.
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So now people can pay $100,000 to drive a really shitty sports car just because it was in a movie.
You are so funny APK, you couldn't win an argument with a wet paper bag.
If you are so highly recommended, why do you always use the same quotes? Surely you should have more quotes by now.
You also didn't actually refute his statement, you are modded down because no one wants to hear about your shitty software. If you want to make a story all about your hosts file solution, submit a story, and watch it voted down into oblivion.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
So they're using old parts (which may not be very good any more) and not upgrading safety features? Do they have to comply with newer safety (and for that matter, emissions) standards?
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Couldn't you just make a new mold if you had an intact DeLorean? I don't know all that much about making molds, but it seems like something you could do.
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There are some fairly inexpensive efficient V6s around now that could easily double the power. Unfortunately it's a rear-engine car. There wasn't a lot of bad news before because with limited power there weren't that many issues, but double the power and some people will be bitten, hard. DMC-12s are best for just cruising and looking cool. I'm sure some knee-jerk 911 owners will, well, jerk their knees, but they won't be buying DeLoreans anyhow. Rear engine designs with powerful engines are generally not compatible staying on the road pointed forward.
I know for years Carroll Shelby was trying a number of schemes to build "new" Cobras, importing chassis as washing machine parts and the like. I also know there are any number of kit manufacturers (Factory Five, and others). Looking at auction prices for an original Cobra, Mustang, Camaro, GTO, Charger, etc -- I wonder if the manufacturers are going to dust off the old dies and build some "new" models, or if these new rules don't allow someone like Ford or GM to do that. The list of "old" cars people would buy "new" could be very lucrative. In addition to the American brands I listed, there are people who love 911s, Toyota AE86, Nissan 240sx, Z cars, MR2, Supra, RX7, etc. Plenty of those would never pass modern safety regs, although it could be more possible to put in an engine that would pass emissions and upgrade things like the brakes.
I believe they've just made new molds for some of it. They're not made using the same techniques but the end results are similar enough that it doesn't' matter to people, I guess. I am a rather dedicated automobile aficionado but, I gotta be honest here, these cars don't really have much going for them other than the outward appearances.
At any rate, I'm nearly positive that I've read that (at considerable expense) they're able to make much (all?) the molding. I seem to recall that there was a bit of an ado about both it and, in particular, a bit of a row that needed licensing specifically about knobs and some markings on the recreations? I believe that this was due, in part or in whole, to them being trademarked and the company not having the license and some dispute about the license ownership and transfer of rights - did they have the rights to authorize recreations and things of that nature.
I want to say that it was in Jalopnik but it might have been in dead-tree form in Automobile or Road & Track. Alas, I still subscribe to quite a few dead-tree publications. I believe that my dead-tree subscription makes me eligible for electronic versions? I've never really enjoyed those and, perhaps worse, I've not actually tried to make use of the electronic versions in a lot of years. Even though I don't really like a tablet, they do make "good enough" consumption devices and I might even enjoy the electronic versions on a tablet if I tried them.
I should probably do that.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
I think you're not giving it full potential. Getting him out to see might allow for, shall we say, certain "disposal" methods that are a bit infamous. Looked at with certain light, you just have to imagine that they're disposing something instead of retrieving something, no? This might actually solve some problems. Which problems those are, specifically, is an exercise for the reader's imagination.
I'm not sure why but your country went from post-WWII all the way to Thatcher with good speed. You've hit a bit of a rough patch in the past 30 years.
As an aside, I made a post last night that responded to someone who was suggesting that "fiscal conservatives" (US politics) should be joining with the Libertarian party because the Republicans were no longer fiscal conservatives. I've left it open for them to reply, before writing my novella, but I do have said novella mentally prepared. If presented with the opportunity, I may take one of several tacks. I'll likely go with helpful, polite, and educational. But it'd be sorely tempting to go another route. It's as if people have chosen to ignore the "liberty" aspect of the title and simply assumed that anyone who is fiscally conservative (regardless of reason) is a good fit for the party, belongs in the party, and that such is actually a primary motive of the entirety of the party.
Ah well... I'll have to see where it goes and if I'm given the invitation to continue. I actually skipped typing out the novella by default and, instead, asked if they were interested in having more information. I know, I know... I was tired.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
mine sat around for 15 years and the interior is fine, except the leather on the seats shrank.
(1.21 gigawatts) / (88 miles per hour) = 30 757 874 newtons
Yeah, because I must be a sockpuppet in order to defend someone being attacked by the mentally ill.
No, I am not amicusNYCL, try again APK.
Also, perhaps you should go back to school, as your ideas about security are so wrong it is hilarious.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
A turbo V6 can easily hit 300-400 hp, and any modern mill will be mostly aluminum. I suppose the tranny might be a bit heavier to deal with that power, but metallurgy has advanced a bit in the last 30 years, so probably won't be a significant increase.
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It should be noted, that the above makes it hold up (you'd think) when exposed to the elements. However, there's a remarkable amount of degradation (in my experience which is notably limited) in the rest of the running gear. When kept idle, I've found that they seem to rust fairly quickly where there is metal - like the running gear. Oh, the body is fine. The frame, where exposed, rusted as did the various underpinnings.
I should note that my experience is limited. However, the few that I've looked into (that were not kept as well as they should be) have all suffered more so than I'd expect - given the duration and levels of exposure. I've only looked into a few in that condition and only one of them was looked at in great detail.
The car was a collection of mostly good ideas, done horribly wrong, and it shows in the numbers. They're anemic, handle like a lumbering giraffe, and are neither efficient or sporty. They are, on the other hand, shiny.
The thing is, with the way the car was designed, they should have (could have) been so much better. I'd love to see one with a less mushy suspension, a beefy engine married to a nice manual transmission, and more robust braking, steering components, and better matched tires. The cars really could have been awesome. Ugly, but awesome. The idea of the stainless is fantastic. The use of fiberglass on the underbody was genius. The interior could have been fantastic.
But no... Heh... Let's hope you don't need to roll the windows down or get in/out in a hurry. I've had friends who owned them and have driven them, I almost rescued one but it was too far gone. They're rather unique but, as it turned out, they have just the redeeming quality of aesthetics and those are entirely subjective. I find them ugly enough to be neat and, as I said, I'd almost rescued one but did not. The engine was seized and I was unable to get it to turn over. If I could have just done that, and not much else, then I'd have rescued it - even at the stupidly high price, just to make sure that it was kept alive. Alas, things did not turn out well and I imagine it's still in situ, in a farmer's field, outside of Winston-Salem, NC.
They really could have been such great cars. They had such great potential. The ideas that went into it were groundbreaking. Somehow, it ended up being pretty much the exact opposite of what it should/could have been. Add to that the financial problems (a given, considering the actual results of those ideas) and the way the owner attempted to rectify those financial issues and you get a huge disappointment - something I've been disappointed in for a long time.
I've made it a point, however, to be fairly polite in my response. You appear to be quite a fan and a knowledgeable one. I can understand, accept, and sympathize. I'm guessing you own one or more? In my experience, the fans are rather dedicated. It's not unusual to find people who own one and a half or have one that is "nearly complete" tucked away in storage as well as a second one that's much less complete. They do seem to be a dedicated group and that, in and of itself, is awesome.
The car really should have been so much more than what it was. I seem to recall a documentary (or a part of one) that went into the car and there was quite a bit of fuckery that were involved at nearly all stages of the process. DMC really didn't have a whole lot of chances for success, for lots of reasons, and the resulting creation is less than impressive in my humble opinion. It's sadly so - I'd have loved for it to be everything it could have been, a success, and the company still in business today. What is great is that there's an awesome, dedicated, fan-base who keep them alive. I've encountered a few, however, who were a bit more passionate than might be justified and they were a bit too biased to accept the failings, blemishes, or faults. If nothing else, they're passionate.
I don't know where you stand on the line so I'll treat lightly - and be respectful. ;-) The thing is, I
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
I seem to recall that there was a bit of an ado about both it and, in particular, a bit of a row that needed licensing specifically about knobs and some markings on the recreations?
All I remember was that the widow of John DeLorean sued for trademark/copyright violations, and settled for an undisclosed amount.
I don't read AC A human right
Mostly they are expensive because what they are building amount to hand built cars rather than mass produced ones.
you probably wouldn't be able to use the same manufacturing process, which is why they destroyed the molds to begin with. though that was probably a bigger problem back then than it is now.
I know a little about mold making, and making a new mold from existing parts is *possible* but probably not cost effective for them at this time. When making new masters from existing parts, there is a LOT of weird things you have to deal with. For example, if a part has to be bent to a 45 degree angle around a 1inch curve, your master mold is going to have to have special tolerances built in to compensate for the spring and stretch in the material you are making the part out of. (basically, you have to bend it some amount past its final position, and once the clamping force is released, it springs back to its final state) So you cant just take a finished part and make a negative of it and use that negative as a mold, the new parts made would not quite match the originals. Mold making for stamp formed parts is quite the art and science.
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Trolling? Such as repeatedly posting the same refuted arguments?
Funny how you constantly use the same quotes still though. Can't find anyone else who would use your crapware?
Did you ever figure out why everything not in your hosts file takes minutes to resolve?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
* Above ALL else you said NOBODY wants to use my ware - wrong, lol - you have to admit that now blundering dolt, and where is YOURS THAT'S BETTER? It's not & NEVER WILL BE!
Where? I see myself saying that no one wants to hear about it, which is true, and also the reason behind all the downmods you routinely receive.
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Still fighting that paper bag?
So, when you gonna submit to that code review? Still scared someone will steal your shit? Funny how you seem to think copyright doesn't cover your software when it covers all kinds of open source software just fine. You poor soul, you are going to lose your life's work when you publish the source, because everyone is just dying to steal the software you GIVE AWAY FOR FREE!
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Still claiming that despite me wiping the floor with you repeatedly?
After all, my posts prior to this here TODAY and from your fail-ridden past vs. myself PROVE it - your fails show it! apk
It is funny how only you, and you claiming not to be you are the only ones who think I fail, no one else has even so much as disagreed with my posts but you. Funny how you can claim I fail over and over, but yet you have no evidence of my failures, just your assertions that you are right and I am wrong, and you are rubber and I am glue.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Since the body panels are decorative, they could remake them out of anything. They could even offer a choice of panels to prospective buyers. Intensely expensive hand-formed stainless, cheap and indestructible plastic... But it's going to be hard to justify making them out of anything that requires stamping with maximum output of 500/year.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Better than that - it's stainless steel. There's a guy here in upstate NY that has two. I bet he's still driving them all winter.
Huh, that's interesting, thanks!
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One person, your friend reviewed your code, that is not a code review. Keep dodging APK, we know you are terrified people will see how poor your code is, and how sloppy and wastefully it works.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Yeah, APK, keep faking being a third party.
It doesn't matter, as long as you continue to hide behind a SINGLE person reviewing your code, you continue to declare your code untrustworthy.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?