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Rubio, Cruz Try To Kill Neutrality On 1-Year Rule Anniversary (dslreports.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Presidential hopefuls Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz have joined six other Senators in pushing the new Restoring Internet Freedom Act, which would dismantle the rules, walk-back the FCC's Title II reclassification of ISPs as common carriers, and prevent the FCC from trying to pass net neutrality rules in the future. In a statement posted to the Rubio website, the presidential hopeful states the new law is necessary because the FCC's "burdensome" net neutrality rules are destroying innovation, diversity, and network investment. "Through burdensome regulations and tight control like the net neutrality rule, the government only hinders accessibility and the diversity of content," said Rubio. "Consumers should be driving the market, and we can help by encouraging innovation, incentivizing investment, and promoting the competitive environment this industry needs."

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  1. "Destroy ing innovation" by ArylAkamov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "the Presidential hopeful states the new law is necessary because the FCC's "burdensome" net neutrality rules are destroying innovation, diversity, and network investment."

    Examples plz

    1. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by gweilo8888 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're Republicans. Evidence isn't necessary, only hand-waving and dire predictions. The Chicken Little Party is entirely in the pockets of big business, and will do and say whatever is necessary to please their corporate overlords, even if it directly contradicts all available evidence.

    2. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Failing campaigns gotta get that Telco money

    3. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by cyber-vandal · · Score: 5, Informative

      Global megacorps aren't those people. You're thinking of local businesses that employ the majority of people, pay taxes and generally provide a useful service to the community. Global megacorps dodge taxes, destroy local businesses and move employment to the places where people are more easily exploited.

    4. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious.

    5. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unless you plan on packin' up and headin' up the mountain to enjoy life as a hand to mouth subsistence farmer, you should be backing their positions. You probably take your paycheck for granted, or consider it your god-given right, but every bit of that money comes from a corporation and anything you or anyone else does that hurts the corporation will also hurt you in the end. I get sick of all the people that fail to understand this because they're blinded by the smokescreen the liberals put out painting corporations as monsters. They're simply a vehicle to get money into your wallet. Treat them well and they'll return the favor.

      Are you insane or trolling?

    6. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the blathering nonsense all republicans use when talking about government regulation. It might have a little bit of weight if any of the politicians using those statements actually had a clue what they were talking about. They are only being fed lies by the corporations against net neutrality. I'd love to see how Comcast and time Warner have "donated" (bribed) to lobbyists as well as directly and indirectly to the candidates parties

    7. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Teun · · Score: 1

      We need a new mod, +1 delusional.

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    8. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It kind of looks like that, unfortunately. As I'd mentioned before, Rubio's not completely retarded. However, he's approaching that label with this sort of thing BUT I kind of see where he's coming from. I don't agree with him but I can see it from his perspective.

      Out of the folks on the right, he was (still is) the most sane one on offer. He has decent views on privacy, for example. I'm not going to vote for him, not in a million years, but he's actually not that bad. It's too bad that he's gone this route and, even more unfortunately, I suspect that the root of this really is campaign funds.

      I think if we take the money out of it then we might get some better results. I'm not really sure how to go about it.

      I'm not a single-issue kind of person and I'm still going to support Sanders but it's unfortunate to see Rubio take this step. The Republicans are almost certainly going to end up nominating Trump - which is doubly amusing because the staunch Republicans seem to hate him. Hell, even most of the hosts on FNR hate him.

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    9. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by epyT-R · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So those radical left wing professors egging students to the brink of chaos over 'racism' and 'sexism' aren't also chicken littles? Hillary Clinton isn't backed by big business? Bernie Sanders doesn't want to sacrifice liberties/raise taxes on the middle class in return for more government nannying?

      There're plenty of problems with both parties.

    10. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There're plenty of problems with both parties.

      Good point - absolutely true. However this article is about Cruz and Rubio. Two people whose personal philosophies seem to hinge on be on the wrong side of every issue.

    11. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are destroying the innovative ways that ISPs have to donate to the senators' election campaign. Ex: Snail mail cheques and courier-delivered gifts, long acknowledged as industry benchmarks for reliability, would be overcome by the encrypted terrorist payment methods of Bitcoin and e-mail transfer transactions.

      They are destroying the diversity of ISPs that are willing to give the senators money to do what they want. Ex: If Comcast and Time Warner were to be allowed to merge, they would no longer be in competition for "campaign donations", and the money could flow more freely to senators in all areas of the country more consistently.

      They are destroying the network investment of giving the senators more money to vote in the ISPs; favor. Ex: The ISP would have to give equal weight to other traffic, thereby slowing down how quickly they can get their money to the senators in time before the voting period ends.

    12. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Right, but the gp post was generalizing the party as a whole, not just cruz and rubio.

    13. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not neccessary. Its obvious, looking back over the last 20 years of net neutrality, that theres been a complete lack of innovation, absolutely no diversity and no investment in the internet as a result of this government legislative stranglehold...

    14. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well because of this, network operators are less like to "Invest" in his political campaigns.

      That is going to crease a "Burden" on his finances when re-election comes around.

    15. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Global megacorps dodge taxes, destroy local businesses and move employment to the places where people are more easily exploited.

      In short, they do whatever maximizes profits and which we permit them to do.

      Corporations are wonderfully flexible machines; they adapt whatever way they have to to maximize profits. That's why the notion that regulation will destroy profit and wealth generation is practically superstitious.

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    16. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by colinwb · · Score: 0

      "We need a new mod, +1 delusional."
      By a possibly not strange not coincidence, I thought almost exactly the same thing a few hours ago while reading the comments on another story. The only difference is that I was thinking of "-1 delusional". Maybe we can compromise on "+-0 delusional"?

    17. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I worked for a $50M a year company, then I left and now work for a $5M/year company competing with the old company, neither of them are corporations, and I don't think I've ever worked for a corporation.

      To clarify, a corporation is a particular type of company that is insured by the courts, so that all the other companies that supply and do business with them are on the hook when they run up bad debt that they can't pay off. The investors (the public shareholders) are not held culpable as are the shareholders of any other company. And they are typically ran by people with little or no financial stake in the company, as opposed to private companies which are almost exclusively operated by the primary owners.

      I own stocks in several corporations, so I don't think they are all bad, but there is something slightly pernicious about having a certain class of companies that can run around running up debt, without any backstop if they run out of revenue. If you run a private company, you do have to be very cautious when doing business with corporations, as it's quite easy for them to gamble and dick you around for months until their bets pay off or they go bankrupt. If they go bankrupt, you have nobody to chase for your outstanding invoices.

      The more exarcerbating thing about today's corporation (as opposed to 1970s corporation) is the unwillingness (due to warped tax codes) to pay dividends to shareholders, because the tax on capital gains is lower than dividends, which means they use questionable and risky growth demonstrations as a way to reward shareholders, when the more responsible thing would be to stay small, and pay dividends, as those risky growth demonstrations don't always materialise into real growth. I think it would be better if the investors like myself could choose what was a worthy reinvestment, rather than having MY money taken and thrown into new questionable investments on my behalf. It's only getting worse now that corporations are throwing their surplus at hedgefunds, bonds, and other things rather than paying us investors. Sure, I can sell my shares, but then I have a smaller holding, and the CEOs, and other shareholders don't want me doing that, driving down their capital gains by reducing the share price. And why should I, when I invested in the company because they were doing X well, and now they are doing Y and Z poorly.

    18. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by mikeiver1 · · Score: 1

      They both received large donations from the People "corporations" that are trying to force us and content providers to pay for normal access to the very same content we should get unfettered already. Both are shit bags and do not deserve anyones support nor re-election.

    19. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by sumdumass · · Score: 0, Troll

      Over regulation will and has destroy profit and wealth generation in the areas. Look at all the companies who have moved the bulk of their operations off shore to avoid those. They adapt by leaving for a more hospitable place.

      You are correct, they will still make a profit. It's just that most of it will be realized without us. What the over regulation will end up doing is destroying the possibilities for competition to start up. It protects the already entrenched and places all sorts of barriers to entry for others that require huge amounts of capital investment and hoops to jump through.

    20. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by vjl · · Score: 2

      I would actually say, on the side of the GOP, the most moderate and sane one in that group, is Kasich. He would be willing to work with a Congress that's not from his political party, and his ideals line up to that of the Republicans, rather than the Tea Party [so they are far less right-wing].

      I don't vote Repub, but if I had to recommend someone for that side, he would get my recommendation and vote.

    21. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corporations are wonderfully flexible machines; they adapt whatever way they have to to maximize profits. That's why the notion that regulation will destroy profit and wealth generation is practically superstitious.

      Depends on the kind of regulations, of course. Contract enforcement? Preventing fraud? Standardizing weights and measures? Preventing abuse of monopoly? All of that is straight-up beneficial.

      Most other things are a trade-off. Some trade-offs are worth it, some aren't. Any new regulation in this environment, where all the low-hanging fruit is long gone, is likely to have a real cost in creation of jobs and wealth. Still might be worth it, of course, but it's nonsense to take an extreme stance in either direction.

      If we actually had a competitive free market for ISPs, I'd be right there with Cruz and Rubio on this. If consumer choice was a real thing in the ISP market, net neutrality would be a terrible trade off. But of course, monopolies created and enforced by local governments are the norm, which is of course the root problem here, so the trade-off looks very different.

      Vastly better to fix the root problem, and make last-mile service a utility like any other, but until that glorious day, Cruz and Rubio are smoking crack on this one. Clinton's biggest donors after the investment backs are the cable companies, so we know where she'll come down on this. I'm sure Trump has a comically entertaining position here - anyone know what it is?

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    22. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by PhoenixFlare · · Score: 0

      Rubio & Cruz's supporters don't give a damn about examples - they'll believe whatever they're fed.

      Normal rationality goes out the window (even more than usual) when Republicans are involved.

    23. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Any regulation at all is 'burdensome' and 'stifles innovation' and all that.

      They use the same words to describe every regulation, and especially ones that benefit people who pay money for things and expect to actually get something in return or that otherwise benefits regular working people.

    24. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Kasich (and Carson) need to get out of the race. Super Tuesday ballots should not have their names. As much as I don't like the side Cruz and Rubio take on this issue, one of them really really needs to beat Trump. I'm sure his ideals are probably worse... it's like he always takes the dumbest idea and goes with it. Kasich and Carson being in the running are causing too much of a split vote on the no-Trump side, that Trump could win the nomination even though most Republicans would prefer anyone else.

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    25. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      That isn't over regulation, it's under regulation. What we haven't done is prohibit companies that move their work overseas from doing business in this country or from importing their goods.

      Other companies will get the message and step in to fill the void.

    26. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Normal rationality goes out the window (even more than usual) when Politicians are involved.

      Fixed that for you.

    27. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well if you stipulate "over" regulation it's logically impossible to disagree that that would be too much. But that doesn't actually tell you anything; it's just a tautology.

      Too much/too little regulation seems a simplistic way of framing the problem. I think it makes more sense to start with does a regulation serve a legitimate purpose; then you proceed to whether it is likely to accomplish that purpose, and whether it's costs and unintended consequences are reasonable, what the alternatives are for accomplishing the same thing, etc Many regulations are clearly poorly conceived or can't justify their costs. You could call that "too much- but really what's going on is that such a regulation accomplishes too little for its costs or distributes costs unseasonably.

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    28. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      Rubio & Cruz's supporters don't give a damn about examples - they'll believe whatever they're fed.

      Normal rationality goes out the window (even more than usual) when Republicans are involved.

      Wow! Talk about irony!

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    29. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      they will still make a profit. It's just that most of it will be realized without us.

      It already is you dumass. You're defending Comcast...

      What the over regulation will end up doing is destroying the possibilities for competition to start up

      Again, this is Comcast. They HAVE no competition because of policies pushed by the GOP.

      Truly Sum Dum Ass.

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    30. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by speedlaw · · Score: 1

      The General election will be expensive. Good to let the remaining old school monopoly media providers know to start bunding for you now, if anyone even bundles anymore in the age of SuperPac..... We don't have ABC, CBS and NBC dictating our media, we have Cablevision, Comcast and Time Warner. Best be a known quantity for "freedom of choice", you or nothing, and "deregulation" of anything for the consumer but not for the utility. Our campaign manager will be passing by your table.

    31. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      "the Presidential hopeful states the new law is necessary because the FCC's "burdensome" net neutrality rules are destroying innovation, diversity, and network investment."

      Examples plz

      I wonder what size campaign contribution that took?

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    32. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      They're Republicans. Evidence isn't necessary, only hand-waving and dire predictions. The Chicken Little Party is entirely in the pockets of big business, and will do and say whatever is necessary to please their corporate overlords, even if it directly contradicts all available evidence.

      And everything always seems related to freedom, even thought it usually means most people will be worse off. Why? Because freedom!

    33. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Over regulation will and has destroy profit and wealth generation in the areas.

      You mean like regulations that mean they can't force you to work 18 hour days? Or the regulations that force them to offer safety equipment in dangerous work environments? Or maybe the regulations that ensure you get paid at the end of the week?
      I know the right like to throw around 'regulations' as some bogeyman, but all those rules came about because without them, the little guy was getting fucked over in some way. And unless you are the 1%, you are also the little guy. So be thankful those regulations exist.

    34. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by mysidia · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They're Republicans. Evidence isn't necessary,

      No... that's not why... that is not the problem. THE LOBBYISTS who specialize in these officials GOT TO THEM. The democrats will scrap network neutrality just as fast.

      We need an outrages populous from both their own party and their own party to speak to them about the publics' concern on network neutrality issues.....

    35. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      However the only award he deserves is for the network neutrality doublespeak award. Where every single claim he makes is the exact opposite of reality, they want to "discourage innovation, eliminate need for investment, and get rid of the competitive environment", so apart from being a lying elephant's sphincter, I suppose he is not to bad. Trump is bad but embarrassingly enough he is still way better than the rest of them.

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    36. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Informative

      "the Presidential hopeful states the new law is necessary because the FCC's "burdensome" net neutrality rules are destroying innovation, diversity, and network investment."

      Examples plz

      There seem to be some problems.

      Net Neutrality - Issues

      Strict Net neutrality legislation would limit the terms, conditions, and potentially prices set by broadband Internet service providers. This could restrict their ability to use innovative network management technology, provide appropriate levels of quality of service, and deliver new features and services to meet evolving consumer needs.

      Cisco believes that allowing the development of differentiated broadband products, with different service and content offerings, will enhance the broadband market for consumers.

      Net neutrality for dummies

      Net Neutrality is a solution in search of a problem. The reader has probably not encountered much difficulty accessing even the smallest web sites. Big sites that deliver huge amounts of multimedia content with blistering speed pay extra for their performance, but this happily leaves ISPs with plenty of lower-cost extra bandwidth to sell. Net Neutrality would be movement, at gunpoint, away from efficient Internet capitalism, and into dreary online socialism. Imagine what would happen to Internet traffic if ISPs were required to treat obscure cat blogs the same way they handle Fox News, CNN and Netflix.

      Net Neutrality would foul things up on the user end of the Internet experience, too. Most basic Internet services have some sort of usage cap, beyond which performance is automatically slowed down. The caps are very high, so average users are perfectly happy with this arrangement. Even cell phone users, with more aggressive usage caps than household cable or DSL access, rarely encounter their service limits. Those who desire more bandwidthâ"most commonly for downloading large amounts of multimedia content, like high-definition moviesâ"can pay extra to raise or remove their usage limits.

      This kind of multi-tiered service is the reason cheaper, "lower-tiered" service exists at all. It would be silly to charge the same rate to an average home user who fiddles with email and Facebook for a couple of hours each day, versus a movie fanatic who wants to download a hundred high-def movies a month.

      At worst, Net Neutrality would "redistribute" bandwidth, so that network hogs have no reason not to download everything in creation, at all hours. Meanwhile, those average users would be reduced to hammering their keyboards in frustration, and wondering why even simple everyday websites took several minutes to load. The past would become a bygone age of wonders.

      Net Neutrality waivers

      As always, vast power would accrue to those who control the "redistribution" of Internet bandwidth. It wouldn't be long before the first Net Neutrality waivers appeared, the same way ObamaCare is riddled with special exemptions for the politically connected. Like so much else in our centrally planned economy, Internet access would become a boon granted by politicians, rather than a commodity sold by businesses.

      The proponents of Net Neutrality sell their agenda by inverting the language of freedom, warning darkly of evil ISPs "blocking" content from website proprietors if they don't pay a ransom. This is true in precisely the same sense that motorists who drive a Chevy Volt are "blocked' from driving as fast as a Porsche can. Net Neutrality "solves" this "problem" by outlawing Porsches . . . and spending taxpayer money on an army of regulators to ensure that every car dealership sells nothing but Volts.

      Net Neutrality shares many attributes of the Left's other favored causes. It's steeped in anti-capitalist rhetoric, and d

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    37. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      I cannot imagine Trump to be on the right side of this either.
      I simply couldn't.

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    38. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      I think you're the first person to actually give examples!

      Thanks for some interesting reading.

    39. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Posting as AC due to mod points.

      Most of Trump stuff is pretty center-oriented and not the hidden right-wing agenda that Cruz&Co are pushing.

      But Trump is an asshole and would mess up a lot of relations - especially foreign ones - if the counterparts takes offense. Or they will know from the campaign by now that Trump is a noisy buffoon that they can deal with one way or another. Maybe they will just ignore him and work through the other representatives of the government if he gets elected.

      Also realize that the Republican Party actually don't want Trump, so they try to put him down - but he is then on his home field because he's used to that tactics and plays it himself. And they are probably scared shitless of bumping him out of the party because then he's not subject to "sore loser" laws in some states and can continue to run his campaign as an independent, and that would actually save him money for the final battle. "Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine".

      At least this attack on the Net Neutrality may be one new nail in the coffin for the Republican Party.

      When it comes to the Democrats I'm not so worried about Sanders when it comes to the Net Neutrality. Clinton is another matter, she's in the pockets of big corporations.

    40. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "An offer you can't refuse".

    41. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by sumdumass · · Score: 0, Troll

      Rarely have I seen a post use so many words to say so little. You must really be proud of yourself for the nothing you added to this conversation. Perhaps if you focused on the topic instead of my moniker you wouldn't come off as densely as you think I am.

    42. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by vjl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Carson won't because of what the Cruz camp did to him. It's the only thing I agree with Trump on - in Iowa, before the polls closed, the Cruz camp told people Carson had dropped out, and many of Carson's supporters therefore voted for Cruz. Making those comments before the polls closed is against the rules, and Trump was not happy.

      Neither was Carson, who vowed to stay in it as long as Cruz was in it, to take as many votes away from Cruz as he could.

      Kinda feels like 3rd grade recess out there...

    43. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Teun · · Score: 1

      Yes I agree, a minute after the post I had similar thoughts.
      But some thrive in their delusions and see them as very positive :)

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    44. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Falconhell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ok, hers a real simple point, we in Australia had good bank regulations, that prevented to behaviour that caused your economic meltdown not so long ago, and we even avoided recession.
      Surprisingly, complex industries that sail as close as possible to the edge of legality, need complex laws to control their behaviour.
      I'm constantly surprised at your need to have the bleeding obvious explained to you.

    45. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, that's a better word than the one that sprang to mind while I was deciding which down mod to use.

    46. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Get your facts straight. CNN published that as news that his campaign staffers picked up and pushed, as did at least two other campaigns.

      And Trump did the same thing, but without the benefit of a national news network publishing it first. In Nevada on the night of the Caucus he proclaimed that he was the only candidate still in Nevada campaigning.

      If you want to criticize the Cruz campaign do it on the issues and the positions of his that you disagree with, not this bs.

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    47. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by vjl · · Score: 1

      Huh? I was talking about Iowa, not NV. And the Cruz camp admitted it and apologized to Carson, but it was still not legit. Here's the Cruz apology: http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/02/...

    48. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by kick6 · · Score: 1

      They're Republicans. Evidence isn't necessary, only hand-waving and dire predictions. The Chicken Little Party is entirely in the pockets of big business, and will do and say whatever is necessary to please their corporate overlords, even if it directly contradicts all available evidence.

      Flip one little word in that whole thing, and it reads just as truthfully.

    49. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by dwillden · · Score: 1

      So was I. Get your facts straight. Yes Cruz did the honorable thing and apologized. But the source for the info his campaign workers were citing was a CNN news report, not exactly a lie or a bad strategy when the media says "Hey this candidate is leaving, Surely that means he's about to suspend his campaign." The Rubio and Trump campaigns also pushed this line.

      Then in Nevada Trump claimed falsely that all the other campaigns had abandoned the state for the Super Tuesday races.

      Again, if you want to criticize Cruz, do so based on real issues not this bs. Cruz Apologized for election politics that others did as well based on a publicly available news report.

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    50. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      I imagine when they stated this that they sounded a lot like this, snickering and barely being able to get it out with a straight face.

    51. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you really think complex regulation allows corporations to not sail as close as possible to legalities?

      If anything it allows them to avoid the spirit of laws and exploit the complexities in ways largely unavailable to firms not already entrenched. Regulation should be succinct and clear as possible to not create undue burdens while still achieving the goals intended.

      Oh, I'm not against regulation, I'm against over regulation.

    52. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by tao · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there are plenty of persons capable of driving a car without having a driver's licence, but I still prefer having such a regulation in place... Not all regulations are good, but abolishing regulations blindly is no panacea either. And in the case of Net Neutrality, the pros definitely outweighs the cons.

    53. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by dywolf · · Score: 1

      corporations don't exist without consumer demand.
      no consumer demand, no corporations.
      we aren't beholden to them.
      they are beholden to us.

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    54. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      Here is a simple point: when the government in pursuit of a policy goal misuses its regulatory power to force bad economic decisions on banks you can create your own disasters where none would otherwise have occurred. The US government effectively coerced banks to make bad lending decisions, which created bad mortgages. What do you do with bad mortgages? Try to spread the risk so nobody takes too big of a bath. Unfortunately with too many bad mortgages that is difficult or impossible. What is even more appalling is when a major political party makes it a policy to block reform, openly cheers it during a state of the union address, and then uses the ensuing disaster to force bad legislation to gum up the economy and throttle job and business creation.

      You would be far more successful at explaining the "bleeding obvious" if you didn't habitually ignore the bloody key facts of the matter.

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    55. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Oh, he did the honorable thing?
      After he did the dishonorable thing...but he apologized so that makes it ok?
      the Carson flap isn't the only thing he did, unless of course you weren't aware of the fake voter violations he sent out, or the fake checks.

      Cruz is the best liar in politics today, and possibly ever.
      He makes slick willy look like an amateur.

      But we should criticize on issues only and not the character of the man and thing's he's done, right?
      Even though you yourself don't follow your own advice:

      Hillary the soon to be indicted felon? Mishandling classified information is no laughing matter. Ordering underlings to strip classification markings to send information via unsecure email is even more serious.

      (note that the third sentence is completely made up, probably by yourself)

      but yeah...we should stick to the issues, and not BS that comes from crazies, right?

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    56. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      I don't think that anyone is calling for "abolishing regulations blindly," that is a straw man. In the case of Net Neutrality the ratio of pros to cons is definitely in the eyes of the beholder.

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    57. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      > and promoting the competitive environment

      Which, apparently, you do by getting rid of a law against a seriously anti-competitive practice. #republicanlogic.

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    58. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      Over regulation may cost somebody a paycheck in a few years.

      Under regulation WILL kill a thousand people tomorrow. It has never failed to do so.
      And whom it doesn't kill - it enslaves.

      One of the last bastions of bona-fide "grabbed from their homes and chained up" slavery in the world is the cocoa bean farms of the DRC - staffed almost entirely by kidnapped child slaves. They are a source of nearly all the chocolate that Hershey's, Cadburrys and Nestle sell. This was first exposed in 2000. All three companies pledged to clean up their act. Bernie Sanders used the popular sentiment to drive through a law prohibiting US companies from importing goods produced by child labour. Then GW pointed at the marketing blitz of "cleaning up our supply chain" ads the the companies were running, said "clearly this industry is self regulating so there's no need to enforce the law" and never enforced the law - 8 years later it was basically languishing in the realm of the forgotten.
      It's now 16 years later, not one of the companies have done anything about the problem - in fact, it's only gotten MUCH worse. There are now tens of thousands of these kidnapped child-slaves working those farms under whip, with no payment, little food and no adequate shelter. Almost all of them dying on the job before they hit puberty.

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    59. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >Preventing abuse of monopoly

      Aaah, so you're in favour of net neutrality then.

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    60. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      Well, Comcast wants to innovate with their own version of the internet that has Comcast ads plastered everywhere, all Comcast-sponsored content, and banners at the top of every page proclaiming how great Comcast is. And they want the diversity of being able to charge extra if you want to leave Comcast-net and go to one of those icky non-Comcast sites. And this will in turn prompt them to invest more in their network.

      If only they could stop those party-poopers at the FCC from standing in their way.

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    61. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by silentcoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Aaah yes, the classic libertarian fairy tale.

      In the real world, it's bullshit. You could possibly argue that consumer demand created them, but there's a point where it ceases to be a factor because choosing NOT to buy no longer has any actual impact on the corporation - in fact even killing it would have zero impact on the founders. A point where punishing it for doing wrong is almost useless because the people who actually have the authority to be responsible for the wrongdoing feel no pain - they just respond to the fines by cutting wages and salaries so you end up punishing a bunch of people who had no power or authority to prevent the bad behavior.

      You end up in a scenario where they are the largest employer so everybody HAS to keep them happy, or face a major unemployment issue, they biggest bank account so they can buy more political influence in a minute than you can get with a decade's worth of campaigning. More money than almost any government. And the ability to shuffle themselves around the world picking the laws they like - so instead of competing for our demand - our elected governments are competing for the privilege of letting them be the most lawless.

      Corporations are what happens when you take all the worst evils humans are capable off - and remove the fucking leash.

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    62. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      He is also on the wrong side... just further along. He's the guy who said he wants to have government effectively curate the internet remember - great firewall of china style.
      Because literally the only thing worse than ISPs deciding what internet services do or do not work well for you (based on double-pay kickbacks) is having government decide which services you can access.

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    63. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've seen a worse example of that kind of post, yours.

    64. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by jriding · · Score: 1

      The same was said for slave labor.
      Funny thing is when a company or mega corp actually does look out for its employees they get more in return then just profits.
      More pay and better benefits show that the employees work harder, produce more, and the quality of the work improves. They also have more money to spend so that money goes right back to the company producing more profits.

      imagine if the companies treated us well and we returned the favor. In stead you would rather us to beg the rich for our small crust of bread, and hope that if we treat them well they will return the favor.

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    65. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    66. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      You are correct, they will still make a profit. It's just that most of it will be realized without us. What the over regulation will end up doing is destroying the possibilities for competition to start up. It protects the already entrenched and places all sorts of barriers to entry for others that require huge amounts of capital investment and hoops to jump through.

      "We're playing baseball with Timmy but he said that since the ball is his he should get ten strikes before he's out, not one. He also wants every hit of his to come with one free base advance. If we tell him no, then he's leaving with his ball and will play with some boys down the street who will give him all the special rules he's demanding."

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    67. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      That and "too much regulation" is entirely subjective. Let's suppose a company wants to dump its waste into a local river. Doing this is cheap and they don't need to worry about any cleanup. Unfortunately, people get sick due to the waste dump and regulations are written about proper waste disposal. This will cost the company money, which eats into profits. Of course the company will call these regulations "too much." To the people who are getting sick, though, the regulations might even be not enough. (e.g.. There isn't a strong enforcement provision or there's a loophole that lets them subcontract to another company who dumps the same waste into the same river.)

      "Too much regulation" could be that the regulations really are burdensome and don't serve a valid purpose. Or "too much regulation" could mean that the company just wants to take the quick and easy path regardless of who gets hurt in the process because that will make them a few bucks more in profits.

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    68. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      THE LOBBYISTS who specialize in these officials GOT TO THEM.

      The lobbyists wrote the current net neutrality law.

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    69. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technical and complex fields like financial industries are regulated with more complex and technical regulations just because of the intrinsic nature of the fields. The spirit of the law is reflected in the trust creating fundamentals like contracts. If the financial services firms break the trust with the society by doing things with HFT which are forbidden or criminal when done by a person, the gap is there to be filled with another piece of regulation, for example.

    70. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      They are only being fed lies by the corporations against net neutrality. I'd love to see how Comcast and time Warner have "donated" (bribed) to lobbyists as well as directly and indirectly to the candidates parties

      I'd love to hear what they are being told net neutrality actually is and how that is being sold to them. Basically all this is is corps trying to get government blessing to fuck over their customers even more, extract as much money as possible while giving as little service as possible. It's no wonder the US internet situation is seen as a joke internationally, especially that they practically invented it and gave it to the world. That genie is well and truly gone and no amount of anything can get it back in the bottle. I wonder how long it will be before they try and extend it to GPS signals? If you want accuracy you have to pay, the free version will add random time delays to signals giving you a 500 mile radius circle you could be anywhere in.

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    71. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I'm not against regulation, I'm against over regulation.

      Where "over regulation" is defined as "I don't know, but I know it when I see it." With a definition like that, you're never wrong!

    72. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Not neccessary. Its obvious, looking back over the last 20 years of net neutrality, that theres been a complete lack of innovation, absolutely no diversity and no investment in the internet as a result of this government legislative stranglehold...

      Maybe where you live, look outside the US and you'll see a thriving internet. So how do you think being able to charge more, block/change whatever traffic you want and essentially removing the barriers to entry and replacing it with a vast gaping chasm is going to help?

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    73. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      "An offer you can't refuse".

      I've often thought that politicians should wear NASCAR style jumpsuits, so we could see who owns them.

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    74. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Rhipf · · Score: 1

      To clarify, a corporation is a particular type of company that is insured by the courts, so that all the other companies that supply and do business with them are on the hook when they run up bad debt that they can't pay off. The investors (the public shareholders) are not held culpable as are the shareholders of any other company. And they are typically ran by people with little or no financial stake in the company, as opposed to private companies which are almost exclusively operated by the primary owners.

      Just a slight clarification here. A corporation is any business entity that is incorporated. This could be a public business (one that offers shares to the public) or a private corporation (one that does not offer public shares). So just because your a private company does not mean you aren't also a corporation.

    75. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      ....

      Where do you people get this shit from? It's like you want to be charged more for less and are ok with that because hey it's the american way to have corps fuck everyone and do what they want because it's their god fucking given right to maximise profits at the expense of all else. It's always 'hyper regulation' 'strict' regulation as if somehow every packet is going to have to through 50 more hops to validate or whatever. The situation you guys have now is so shit precisely because you have 2 main companies nationwide that hold the bulk the power and you think the fix for the situation give them more?!? It doesn't help they're so misleading in what they say (patriot act round 2)

      Net Neutrality is a solution in search of a problem. The reader has probably not encountered much difficulty accessing even the smallest web sites. Big sites that deliver huge amounts of multimedia content with blistering speed pay extra for their performance, but this happily leaves ISPs with plenty of lower-cost extra bandwidth to sell. Net Neutrality would be movement, at gunpoint, away from efficient Internet capitalism, and into dreary online socialism. Imagine what would happen to Internet traffic if ISPs were required to treat obscure cat blogs the same way they handle Fox News, CNN and Netflix.

      What makes fox news or cnn more valid than icanhazcheezburger? who decides? the isps based on who's paying more I'd wager. The only one of those that needs specific treatment is netflix for the streaming video. This works fine now without paying extra. This basically says there's no problem at the moment. Net neutralities aim to keep it as it is by ensuring no company can charge more for certain traffic, basically keeping the network neutral. What you are pushing for is their ability to do exactly the opposite. You want to get to site x but they have an issue with provider y who in your scenario are perfectly able and justified in shutting down access as punishment or whatever.

      The against crowd keep saying that without that the internet will starve and die because ...and then lead into a bunch of intelligent sounding babble that isn't really relevant or mean much at all, all hyperbole and strawmen. How is paying a premium to get youtube instantly and making the users who pay less wait 5 mins for buffering going to help 'innovation'? It can't. Basically what will happen long term if this goes through is create another net, like china, irans or one which cant leave the country without being inspected. The rest of the world will duplicate whatever infrastructure is only available in the US, duplicate any services (basically the big websites, that is if they just don't move out on their own) and route around the fucking problem. Meanwhile you're left with slower internet, less sites and higher costs, and for what? The corporations?

      The real strawman is, the against net neutrality crowd aren't trying to keep it as it is like they might pretend. They are trying to charge more and monetise more and punish those who won't and net neutrality is a response to stop that. Not the other way around. We don't have these problems in the UK and no one else does either. God knows we all have companies that would love to have a go at it and if it goes through there they might have a crack. But at the moment we have enough healthy competition in the ISP market that it wouldn't even get put on a memo. Anyone suggesting it would quickly lose customers to any of the other ISP (of which there are plenty in competition helping to keep prices down, gee now what does that remind me of).

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    76. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should be against specific regulations then?

    77. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by MachineShedFred · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because the Democratic Queen's Coronation isn't funded by big business at all. Absolutely not CitiGroup, Goldman Sachs, DLA Piper, Morgan Stanley, or JPMorgan Chase.

      Fuck off, you partisan hack.

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    78. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Abolishment of all regulation is just as ridiculous as those saying that enforcing Net Neutrality is some kind of draconian over-regulation. Nobody is calling for that, because there are many regulations that are just common sense, and prevent bad actors from doing shit they shouldn't ever do.

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    79. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by lgw · · Score: 1

      No, I'm in favor of ending the local monopolies - it's right there in my post.

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    80. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      He probably was correct that he was the only one left in Nevada - he had that sewn up by a big margin, and the rest of the candidates moved on to Super Tuesday states.

      Saying someone got on a plane and left Nevada is very different from saying that someone has packed it in completely...

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    81. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but I'm sure the Democrats will fix it. No wait, Time Warner is a Top 10 donor for Hillary, underneath 5 wall street banks.

      But clearly this is a Republican problem.

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    82. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by microbox · · Score: 1

      But of course, monopolies created and enforced by local governments are the norm, which is of course the root problem here

      The root problem with ISPs is that the cost of infrastructure creates a huge barrier of entry to new players in the market. This means that, in a perfectly free market, a natural monopoly/duopoly will form, and they will engage in rent seeking behavior. The amount of rent will be precisely that which the barrier to entry allows. The bigger the barrier to entry, the larger the rent. Now, think how many billions it costs to lay fibre-optic cable everywhere. There is a strong argument that the pipes should be managed in the same way as electricity, water, and sewage.

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    83. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Yeah... that's never going to happen. Look up the concept of a natural monopoly.

      Telecoms is practically THE textbook example.

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    84. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But but but, they're communist! Obama and Bernie said communism is good.

    85. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      Vastly better to fix the root problem, and make last-mile service a utility like any other, but until that glorious day, Cruz and Rubio are smoking crack on this one.

      Wouldn't blocking net neutrality would make it politically easier to fix the root problem?

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    86. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was being sarcastic :P

    87. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by blackomegax · · Score: 1

      The stockholm syndrome really took hold in you, damn son.

    88. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by sudon't · · Score: 0

      Unless you plan on packin' up and headin' up the mountain to enjoy life as a hand to mouth subsistence farmer, you should be backing their positions. You probably take your paycheck for granted, or consider it your god-given right, but every bit of that money comes from a corporation and anything you or anyone else does that hurts the corporation will also hurt you in the end. I get sick of all the people that fail to understand this because they're blinded by the smokescreen the liberals put out painting corporations as monsters. They're simply a vehicle to get money into your wallet. Treat them well and they'll return the favor.

      Are you insane or trolling?

      What's even weirder is he's suggesting Ayn Rand's right-wing fantasy to "the liberals". We have no such illusions about how the economy works, right-wing troll. We know that capitalists need workers more than workers need capitalists. After all, someone has to actually do the work.

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    89. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Internet/cable service providers are one of the best ways to demonstrate how your assertions are completely specious.

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    90. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by sudon't · · Score: 3, Informative

      Out of the folks on the right, he was (still is) the most sane one on offer.

      Which is why his campaign is failing. The Right loves Trump because he eschews the dog whistle Republicans have using to lure the racist, the lunatic, and the paranoid into their party, the party of the rich. Instead, he's saying it out loud. The Republicans have long been throwing sops to these people, as they worked on their true agenda, but these people are not sitting quietly anymore. We, on the left, ought to take a cue from them.

      Incidentally, I love how all these bills are given doublespeak titles: "Restoring Internet Freedom Act", "Right to Work", "Defense of Marriage", etc. It would be hilarious in a novel.

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    91. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by lgw · · Score: 1

      So, basically,

      make last-mile service a utility like any other

      then?

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    92. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by lgw · · Score: 1

      Telecoms (last mile) are somehow different than power and water in terms of "natural monopoly"?

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    93. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by rochrist · · Score: 1

      Cite please? Otherwise, I might think you're blowing it out your ass.

    94. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Nope, those too are natural monopolies, though power is gradually ceasing to be thanks to new technologies making the initial capital outlay potentially much smaller (home solar and such).
      A natural monopoly exists anytime you have an industry where you have a relatively massive initial capital investment required and very low per-unit margines so that it would take decades to recover your investment (remember - you don't count "profit" until after that happens). Anybody who is thinking of competing is now going to be deterred because they will take even LONGER - after all, you have an entrenchment boost already, so with less potential customers - that means instead of 20 years it may now take 40 years to start making a profit (and that's on the very generous assumption that you can take a full 50% of the incumbent's customers in year one - actual projections are more like 2.5%).

      In those cases - giving state monopolies are actually *better* for consumers. They are going to have a monopoly anyway, at least if you do it this way you can attach conditions to the deal to reduce the negatives a bit, like forcing them to deploy to regions with few potential customers that private industry would have avoided, regulating certain minimum product quality standards and maximum prices etc. etc.

      It's far from ideal - but when the ideal is impossible, it's the best out of two bad deals.

      The biggest potential problem comes in if new technology changes the industry and makes true free market competition a genuine possibility. In that case, it's important that there be some sort of escape clause in the monopoly deal that allows government to end it when it no longer benefits consumers. Power is rapidly moving in that direction. In practise such clauses are sadly rare (and they are most rare in countries like the US where the political system is for sale to the highest bidder) but the smarter and better run countries do put them in, in fact they do one better and generally add something like a renewal requirement to the deal - so every 20 years or so they can choose to not renew it if it no longer makes sense - or even give your infrastructure to another company if that company is offering consumers a better deal (which is perfectly acceptable considering the only reason they could build that infrastructure in the first place is because you used your eminent domain as a government to give them access to loads of private property).

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    95. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      1) I call bullshit on either Obama or Bernie ever saying that or anything that remotely enough resembles it to make this satire as opposed to just flagrant lies.
      2) Or do you mean West Africa ? Because I got news for you - West Africa is, if anything, actually MORE capitalist than the USA - take it from somebody who has lived there and travelled the region extensively.

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    96. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if that was meant for me or the AC.
      Just in case - a simple google for "child slavery in the chocolate industry" will get you an overwhelming number of articles detailing the things I said.

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    97. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by rochrist · · Score: 1

      It was directed toward the anonymous coward who said the Obama and Sanders both 'said communism is good". Your comment was one thousand percent correct.

    98. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by lgw · · Score: 1

      No sure what you mean by "state monopolies", but the model used for water and power utilities sure seems like a better model for "last mile" for telecoms than what we have now. Let the last mile be an independent utility company, and certainly "just a pipe". Let the ISPs compete behind that, where there's no natural monopoly.

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    99. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      I mean a scenario where there is laws granting a company an exclusive right to trade in a given area, or industries actually owned by the state - in both cases it's a monopoly with the power of the state. A natural monopoly is pretty much the only scenario where that's a good thing.

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    100. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      I thought so, just figured I'd make sure.

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    101. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Repubs who are against "over" regulation actually define that as "an regulation that bothers my constituents" meaning, as "constituents," those who make large campaign contributions or lobbyists who write Bills for them. OTOH, if they don't like something that ordinary people are doing, it MUST be immediately legislated or regulated out of existence.

      I've worked with both regulations and with legislation. The former, developed by executive agencies to govern their operations and otherwise as authorized by law, are often developed by people who know something about what they're regulating, take testimony by anybody interested and actually respond to it, and can be changed by a similar process if they turn out not to work well. Legislation is a crapshoot: it is usually written by somebody with something to gain by legislating other people out of business, or is written by somebody attempting to impose their view of morality on everybody else, and typically wins based on graft (biggest campaign contributions) or corruption (who screams the loudest, which can be affected by corporate money too, and tends to be only loosely related to facts).

      Either form of law is influenced strongly by large corporations. That's natural; they have the most to gain or lose. Regulation, however, can also be influenced by well-documented and expressed comments by anybody; legislation can't, in practice. Regulations can also be overridden by legislation. Or Congress can explicitly de-fund development or enforcement of specific regulations. And it's much easier to challenge a regulation in court (usually but not always on procedural grounds) than legislation (constitutionality is usually assumed unless proven otherwise).

    102. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Trump's position has nothing to do w/ Net Neutrality. It's not clear that even Rubio or Cruz know what it is. Net Neutrality means that if I get Charter Internet service, I should be able to access TV content on, say, CNN.com w/o having to have a full cable subscription to Charter. It's not about the Internet should be equally supportive of Democrats & Republicans.

    103. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by unixisc · · Score: 1

      That's why we need Trump or Sanders to replace them, and send them all to Chaeeena

    104. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The almost certainly were corporations. They might not have been PUBLIC corporations where the stock is available to the general public to buy. Corporations were invented to limit liability of the individual investors. They serve that function whether public or private. If the company has more than a couple of employees, it's probably incorporated for the protection of the owners.

    105. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you know so much better, then educate us. "Calling people out" doesn't answer the question. How can they (or other readers) ever learn? If you like being superior so much well you got it- you're the teacher now tell us what the answers are.

      Your 'tude just makes people, especially shy people, want to ask- then they'll never know... And in fact then they can learn something from geniuses like you. (but then again you're young, and pushing people around helps you feel powerful).

    106. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here Here!

    107. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      The guy who fears that lobbyists will write the net neutrality laws is still modded "insightful" even though its been well publicized right here on slashdot that AT&T/etc wrote the net neutrality laws.

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    108. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The more exarcerbating thing about today's corporation

      That's not a word, and even if it was it doesn't mean what you think it does.

      Some thing goes for most of what you wrote, actually. You don't seem to understand that there are different kinds of corporations, and as for them being insured by the courts, that's garbage.

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    109. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      There was no such law here in the UK and yet banks here were falling over themselves to lend stupid amounts of money to people who had no hope of paying it back.

    110. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Well, if I had to bet money on whether politicians or professors had the peer reviewed articles to back up their claims, I know which one my money would be on.

    111. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Hmm... I'm very, very far to the left - as in, further left than any elected official at the Federal level - even left of Bernie. I'm just there for different reasons. (Don't take this wrong, I like to phrase it that I used logic and reasoned my way to my political position. I can elaborate if needed.)

      I say that to point out that I think you might be a little off. If my memory is correct (and it might not be) the Republicans learned their tactics from the Democrats. They just have a different target but the tactics are the same. Hell, even the "Free Speech Zones" came from the Democrats. They were first used at the DNC in 1988, New York as I recall.

      It amuses me to no end when the Dems bitch about the Reps tactics. "Oh, they're stalling!" Yes, yes they are... I wonder where they picked that up from? More current, the SCOTUS nominee? Biden rings a bell. No, the Republicans had a good mentor. I believe I said something like this back in the early 1980s, "This is not going to end well." That's probably fairly close to verbatim though it was a bit more nuanced in context. Now? I guess if I had to make a statement (and I feel inclined to) I'd say, "The chickens, they have come home to roost." Or, maybe, "You reap what you sow."

      Don't read into that what I didn't say. That is not excusing their behavior, that's the reason for their behavior. It has escalated since in a tit-for-tat from both sides.

      Seeing as I've already typed this much... I also must admit that I set a trap earlier but nobody fell for it. *sighs* I pointed out that Clinton, according to PolitiFact, tells the truth only about 25% of the time. I even linked to it. I was hoping someone would look up Sanders' rating. According to them, he tells the truth about 18% of the time. I was hoping someone would point out that the guy I support lies more often than Hillary. I'd already prepared my response, "Yes, but I like his lies better."

      Alas, nobody noticed. I do think it's segues into this same line of thought nicely. Though, I should add that I think truth is a very binary thing where politics is concerned. "Mostly true" means not-true to me. It's either the truth or it isn't. There is no leeway where those entrusted with running the country is concerned. I do hold them to a high standard and I think I'm justified in doing so. I was really hopeful about using that line. I've not yet read all of the replies so I've still got a little bit of hope!

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    112. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Hmm... I want to play Devil's Advocate?

      If an ISP wants to sell their service and it gives you limited access or intentionally degrades content that is not on its own network and, for example, wants to offer this at a lower price - then why shouldn't they be allowed to sell that service to someone who is a willing consumer of that service? Why are we restricting the freedom of choice from people?

      To use the Free Basic thing, why would we take away the freedom of choice where, for example, someone could pay $1/mo for access to just Facebook and Wikipedia? Why not allow them to make that choice? If the customer only wants to pay to access those services (or might only be able to pay for those services) then why shouldn't they be free to do so?

      Full disclosure: I've had parts of this conversation before so it's a semi-formalized debate. I've managed to "win" with it but I don't really hold a strong opinion either way. I can see both sides of the argument and I'm inclined to support neutrality but I feel that we have to keep logic and reason in the argument so someone has to play Devil's Advocate. If nobody does so, then how are we sure that we're being logical and not just operating based on emotions?

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    113. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Because it requires an extensive infrastructure, it is not like delivering milk where any can turn up with a truck. It is access to public space for the infrastructure. It is predatory pricing where price drops only when there is competition and goes through the roof once competition is bought out or bankrupted. It is about pricing cabals where the price and service is negotiated behind doors and take your pick and it makes no difference. It is about bankrupting anyone who attempts to enter the market by dropping price during their high debt build and the raising once they are bankrupt. So in a corporate monopoly service, corporate censorship take it or have nothing, it is about denial of service to competitors, is about about ISP becoming gate keeping publishers pay or your content dies, it is about purposefully degraded service because no competition, it is about horrible, absolutely appalling customer service, it is about blatant political corruption by dick head psychopaths greed their only motivation and when it comes morals well they are just utterly absent. No different in the favourite parlance of slashdot of privatising each and every single road, don't pay the toll can't use the road, highest bidder wins the road. Consider a freeway moron, buy a 1 kilometre stretch in a major public area and what is the limit on the toll, $100 because you have to buy kilometres of developed land and turn it into a road and the minute they start buying you drop your toll and for some selectively the toll is $1,000 or $10,000 because you want to bankrupt them to take their business, they don't like it they can spend a billion dollars building their road because you have carefully selected a choke point.

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    114. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      Hillary the soon to be indicted felon? Mishandling classified information is no laughing matter. Ordering underlings to strip classification markings to send information via unsecure email is even more serious.

      (note that the third sentence is completely made up, probably by yourself)

      Nope.

      Senator: Newly released Clinton email 'disturbing'

      The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee released a scathing statement Friday, calling on Hillary Clinton to "come clean" after the State Department released an email in which she asked an aide to send information on a non-secure system after attempts to send the document securely failed.

      Sen. Chuck Grassley said the email, released at about 1:30 am Friday morning along with about 3,000 other emails from Clinton's State Department tenure, is "disturbing," and "appears to show the former Secretary of State instructing a subordinate to remove the headings from a classified document and send it to her in an unsecure manner."

      And now a special request . . .

      The year was 1993 and the Clintons were in the White House, and there we got a glimpse into the character of Hillary Clinton. . .

      Travelgate Inquiry Suggests Signs of Lies by First Lady
      How Hillary Clinton sicced the FBI on the White House travel office

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    115. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Excessive regulation can and does hurt the little guy. I expect that isn't something you've really looked into or thought much about.

      Having spent a bit of time in state and federal government I can assure you couldn't be further from the truth.
      The trouble with the Right is all this catch phrase politics, "Small Government!", "Less Regulations!", "Freedom!". None of these words mean anything without context.
      Sure there exists a concept of over-regulation, but just screaming "too many regulations!", isn't really a solution.

    116. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Ted Cruz was still in Nevada and remained so until the Caucuses closed.

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    117. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Cruz stood like a man and apologized for something his campaign staff did, not him. Yes he did the honorable thing. He accepted the blame for the actions of a few people in a very large staff of mostly volunteers. Where is the apology from Rubio or Trump for their campaign staff doing the same thing? Where is the apology from Trump for claiming Tom Coburn made statements about Cruz that Tom refuted and repudiated as soon as he did. Where is the apology from Trump for his lie about everyone else having left Nevada (Cruz was still in the state).

      What is inconsistent about my line on Hillary? And no the third line is not made up? Hillary is a felon. I spent a career in the Army focused on the safe handling of Classified information. What she did is a felony several times over. She is a soon to be indicted (unless the Obama Justice Dept covers for her) felon. Where is the inconsistency.

      Here is the difference: Hillary committed a felony and instructed her staff to commit felonies. Is someone under investigation for multiple felonies a valid candidate for President. Meanwhile some volunteers on Ted's campaign staff picked up a CNN report and started citing it to encourage Carson voters, who supposedly just lost their candidate, to vote for Cruz instead. If you can't see the difference in those acts you are a lost cause.

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    118. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Fair enough.

      I'm absolutely shocked that someone running for a political office would lie in their own favor.

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    119. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The interesting thing about that statement is that it works just as well replacing the party:

      They're Democrats. Evidence isn't necessary, only hand-waving and dire predictions. The Chicken Little Party is entirely in the pockets of big business, and will do and say whatever is necessary to please their corporate overlords, even if it directly contradicts all available evidence.

    120. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      My 'tude' is mostly directed at sumdumass as he's just a troll As for what's better, net neutrality is better and it shouldn't be scrapped as the thread is discussing.

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    121. Re: "Destroy ing innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, I'm fine with that. If I go into any store that is licensed, I know I'm getting a decent product.

      If I'm in a rush because my stylist got sick or injured last minute before, say, a wedding, I know randomly picking a stylist will have a good chance everything will be fine because they learned how to do stuff and is not some random guy who could potentially be some bum off the street.

      Let's flip it around: I'm some random guy off the Internet. Would you trust me to be your financial advisor? I have this list of references and I'll make bold claims but I've never taken any schooling. I'm not part of any certifying organisation. But trust me. I'm good and won't steal your money. Being a financial advisor is even easier: don't put money into losing investments and save some money for retirement. Done!

    122. Re:"Destroy ing innovation" by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

      I LOL'ed. You couldn't have been more wrong if you tried. I'm self-employed, and have been for close to two decades.

  2. Rubio and Cruz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Marco Rubio and Rafael Cruz are a couple of worthless Cuban anchor babies who don't understand the ideals of a free and civilised society. That's why they are constantly trying to kill liberty and support the violation of the constitution. They and their families should be deported back to their hispanic hellhole of origin. Let's Raul and Fidel deal with them.

    1. Re:Rubio and Cruz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry - soon Trump will send them home.

    2. Re:Rubio and Cruz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After they build and pay for a wall to keep them out permanently.

    3. Re: Rubio and Cruz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the wall will have a big friendly back door in it, so Trump can access them via the back door any time he wants.

    4. Re:Rubio and Cruz by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Why is a wall needed b/w FL and Cuba? Ain't the Florida Straits enough?

    5. Re: Rubio and Cruz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, when your calves are the size of cantaloupes, you can easily swim that distance.

    6. Re:Rubio and Cruz by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Cuba don't want them back now - it would completely destroy the thawing of the relations.

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    7. Re: Rubio and Cruz by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      add more sharks, preferably with laser beams.

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  3. "Consumers should be driving the market" by iCEBaLM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can consumers drive the market when not only are most ISPs local monopolies, but there are so many stealthy ways for ISPs to fuck with your connection? There's no choice, and no transparency, that's the whole fucking problem. If customers actually had real choice for their ISP, and could make informed decisions, then they would gravitate to the one who doesn't fuck with their connection.

    1. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention the passing of the rules was based on numerous consumer complaints.

    2. Re: "Consumers should be driving the market" by Zaowulf · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Shhhh.... Don't bother with those troublesome facts and naughty reasoning. Only the large cash donations matter.

    3. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the consumer can't drive the market when there is no market. I don't even like network neutrality regulations, but with monopolies in control there's no other way to keep the Internet open.

    4. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      How can consumers drive the market when not only are most ISPs local monopolies, but there are so many stealthy ways for ISPs to fuck with your connection?

      Well gee! They can start by not reelecting the politicians who grant and enforce those monopolies. It's pretty easy to be informed these days.

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    5. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by GuB-42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If customers actually had real choice for their ISP, and could make informed decisions, then they would gravitate to the one who doesn't fuck with their connection.

      Unfortunately, I'm not so sure. Nerds like us don't want ISPs to fuck with our connections but I'm sure many people will take say 5GB internet + free Netflix over unlimited internet but you have to buy your own Netflix subscription.

    6. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      ...but I'm sure many people will take say 5GB internet + free Netflix over unlimited internet but you have to buy your own Netflix subscription.

      That's because many people can't do math.

    7. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely. But you are responding to Rubio as if there is a grain of truth to anything he said. The act won't do any of the things he is promising, he just said all that to win popular support for his act, which will do (and is intended to do) precisely the opposite.

      The goal here is for him to make his corporate backers rich. Everything else is just lies.

    8. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by retchdog · · Score: 1

      Eh, it's not worth it for me to save $8, but it might be for some people. I know a few people from the old BBS scene who were still using dial-up well into 2010. I guess it was enough for them; who am I to judge?

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    9. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      "Consumers should be driving the market"

      ...unless they want strong encryption. Then screw the consumers and screw the market.

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    10. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Okay, then what? Tear out all the publicly-funded infrastructure those monopolists have been using? Or force the incumbents to subsidize their competitors so they can catch up?

      After all, if you think regulation is wrong then all the existing infrastructure is ill-gotten gains and that illegal advantage must be eliminated. At least, if you're going to be ideologically consistent it does. Otherwise, if you think society should just pick one winning corporation to steal public funds and then allow it to fuck over all of us with them, maintaining a permanent oppressive monopoly because nobody else can catch up, just say so.

      Face it, a "free market" for ISPs is no longer an option -- if indeed, it ever was. The choice is between monopoly with regulation to protect the public, or monopoly without regulation to protect the public.

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    11. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you're going on about. Publicly funded infrastructure can be leased to qualified private operators on a nonexclusive basis. Seems pretty straight up to me.

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    12. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by jrumney · · Score: 1

      "Consumers should be driving the market" is exactly why we need net neutrality. Without it, mega-corporations are the only ones with deep enough pockets to be driving the market.

    13. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      That's because many people can't do math.

      It is because their variables are different from your variables that you dont understand their math.

      Such a plan would be ideal (save them money.. you know, the fucking math you were waving your hands ignorantly about) for almost every one of my friends.

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    14. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by dave420 · · Score: 1

      It's really easy - you can take a look at the many countries with saner, functioning internet providers.

    15. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's that they can't do math - they just don't see the value. Why spend $60 on a smartphone monthly plan if you're never going to use the smartphone for the "smart" bit and just want to make phone calls?

      Why pay for more than you're likely to use? If all you do is the occasional Facebook whatever, some email, and some web searching, why would you give a shit about if Netflix gets a better deal to your neighbor?

      That's the problem with issues like this - some people (the Slashdot crowd) are affected disproportionately to other people. So we care a great deal, where others couldn't give a rats ass.

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    16. Re: "Consumers should be driving the market" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's so easy to get on those poles, than where is the competition?

    17. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      That would make sense, if a very large portion of the population wasn't under the belief that the President is in charge of all levels and branches of government, from federal, state, municipal, even right down to your HOA. As the worlds largest democratic nation the US recognizes the need for and places a high priority on civics education. Unfortunately, mostly only those outside of the US, say in India, will recognize the irony laced within that statement.

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    18. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Name one market where Time Warner and Comcast co-exist.

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    19. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      They are state protected monopolies in their markets with exclusive contracts. How can there be any competition?

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    20. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      That's precisely the point.

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    21. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      So, you elect people that will eliminate exclusive contracts.. That way Time Warner and Comcast will have to face some competition. What part of that did you not understand?

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    22. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you're not a US resident and can be forgiven for your ignorant and irrational assertion... Suffice to say even painted in the best possible light that is a naive suggestion. Name one state where this has been successfully executed. There have however been local municipalities wherein attempts have been made in that direction only to see a state legislature shut them down.

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    23. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You don't get it. All those people, muni, state, whatever, who make the rules are elected officials. People have the power to vote them out, but they freely and expediently and irrationally choose not to. So if there is a problem with your internet, you have to go to the root cause instead of trying to pass blame.

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    24. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Except that it wasn't... you can't retroactively change a contract, even governments are careful about that - and especially so with very powerful companies who can afford long running supreme court cases^H^^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hbig donors.

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    25. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      you can't retroactively change a contract

      You most certainly can! Prenuptials and wills are changed all the time. We have eminent domain. And we have to work on the judges that would hear such cases also. We have the power, but have learned to feel helpless. If we don't fix it, nobody will.

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    26. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      I (or you, if you were so inclined) could get the necessary numbers from the FCC and the necessary insurance then go to any town and get a franchise agreement and start building infrastructure next to any incumbent (because exclusive franchises haven't been legal for a while now).

      If I/you had/have/were able to raise the funding, of course.

      Problem with doing that is the incumbents tend to be a bit litigious. But that's a private anti-competition issue, not a protected monopoly/exclusive contract thing.

      Unfortunately, they are right in that they don't have 100% of the US ISP market, therefore are not a monopoly at a federal level, despite the situation in any given ZIP code (which is where the problem lies).

      If things were changed to prevent incumbents from suing potential competition out of business, though... that would probably help.

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    27. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      And yet ISPs change terms of service and their contracted rates all the time.

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    28. Re:"Consumers should be driving the market" by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      People pay for way more than they're likely to use all the time - it's practically the business model for 3 of the 4 major US cellular providers.

      And also why people rent/lease $700 devices for little more than accessing texts Facebook/Instagram/etc (despite a $100 device does that adequately), in addition to the $60/mo smartphone plan (and let's be honest, that's being pretty conservative). All this, whether they can afford it or not.

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  4. The only hope by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's easy to fall into hoping that that the fascist buffoon Trump doesn't win the candidacy. But then when you get reminded of the policies of the rest of them, you realise there is no good alternative there.

    The only real hope is that the Democrats win the presidency again.

    1. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who are you rooting for then?

      Hillary "Vote for me because I have a vagina" Clinton, or Bernie "Let's raise taxes and give everyone Totally Free Stuff*" Sanders?

      Not that I think the R's are any better. I just don't see any good choice available.

    2. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Bernie. He's the only one who has a sane plan and who seemingly gives a shit about liberty. The rest of them outright want to strip you of privacy and rewrite the constitution.

    3. Re:The only hope by NotInHere · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think Trump makes lots of facist noise in order to appeal for the republican voters so that he gets the candidacy. Once he is candidate he will talk more about his other topics, which are mostly left from popular republican positions. Think of obamacare, he does want a system like that (with small adjustments, which probably even make sense), while rubio and cruz don't.

      But the danger in voting for Trump is that it would promote and introduce more facist talk into the political business.

      Hillary is establishment. Bernie says that evil evil word "socialism" but he also calls europe socialist, and as an european I pretty much like the systems we have, so I'd probably vote for Bernie if I were american and must chose between all candidates in the race.

    4. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is the worst possible president you could possibly imagine, as a matter of fact, a few months ago, I couldn't imagine a moron like him could actually be seriously seen as a candidate.
      He has about all the worst qualities you could imagine, except being a religious nutjob (like Cruz).
      Megalomaniac, stupid, xenophobic, full of shit, liar, arrogant, bad loser, he doesn't know the meaning of diplomacy, sexist, more stupid than a doorknob, shitty taste, full of hate, has the stupidest hairdo, stupid, painfully stupid, so very stupid.
      Why any human being could consider voting for this is very worrying.

      The republican party has hit rock bottom, the only hope is a humiliating defeat facing the democrats, so that, hopefully, reasonable republicans come back and that there is a real choice again.

    5. Re:The only hope by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Nope sorry not gonna happen and here is why...the DNC is NEVER EVER gonna let old Bernie have the nomination, he isn't in bed with the right insiders (in a way he is the left's Trump, disliked by his own side for not playing their reindeer games) while Hillary never met a check she didn't like so Hillary will get the nomination....and then promptly get SLAUGHTERED in the general election.

      She is 1.- Waaay too stiff and uptight, even when she is trying to come off as friendly her body language just screams "get away from me you peasant!" and her discomfort can be seen a mile away, 2.- she has done even more shady deals than trump has in the past, see Goldman Sachs, the deal with the private prison corp, and the worst one, the one that guarantees her failure in the election? 3.- She has done waaaaay too many flip flops right on camera which makes her look like nothing but a slimy liar trying to say whatever it takes to win. Just look at how quickly that 16 year old kid completely screwed her with the #whichhillary hashtag where they use her own words against her by showing her in the 80s, 90s, and 00s kissing these corps and right wingers by spewing hard right rhetoric, which of course she is now trying to run a campaign where she is against everything she was for.,...not gonna work.

      So unless something happens to take Trump out of the race, where Hillary has to face Cruz or Rubio, both of which are even worse at performing than she is? You better get used to saying President Donald.

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    6. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Higher taxes and more government spending != liberty

    7. Re:The only hope by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      I don't want to defend him (he's racist), but:

      * He is not stupid. Its almost impossible to be stupid and a successful business owner the same time.
      * Trump wants to get an ordered immigration system. America had this before the war, when most immigrants came from europe (either because of their religion or because of poverty), you were really privileged with having the atlantic in between. Now the immigrants come from mexico, and mexico is a country which is in a very bad shape. Building a wall is not a solution, but it can be part of a good concept to get order into the immigration process. A nation should have the right to require its immigrants to be registered.
      * I don't care about somebody's hairdo

    8. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We're always going to get higher taxes and more government spending. Cruz's tax plan gives huge cuts to the wealthy and increases taxes on the poor. But his plan doesn't give me anything. It gives the rich plenty. I'm not out "to get" the rich, but why should I vote for someone who tells me he's going to support them and hope I see some benefits? At least with Sanders wants to give me, a member of the middle class, something. I'll take increased taxes as long as I know what I am getting in return and not what the RICH are getting in return. The rich can handle themselves; it's about time the middle class voted for themselves instead of worrying about how much money we give to the already wealthy.

      And if you don't like Sanders or the other candidates there is always Gov Johnson the Libertarian candidate. I like some of Sanders' stuff and some of Johnson's stuff. Don't much care for the rest.

    9. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only real hope is that the Democrats win the presidency again.

      It's cute how you think there is any real difference between the two parties.

    10. Re:The only hope by ScentCone · · Score: 0, Troll

      Bernie. He's the only one who has a sane plan and who seemingly gives a shit about liberty.

      Proposing $19 trillion in new give-aways that only those who don't pay income taxes could love, and which the other half of the country (which DOES pay income taxes) won't support, is sane?

      Forcing one half of the country to shoulder vastly more taxes in order to give it to the half that already doesn't pay income taxes is liberty? Forcing someone who wants to sell some shares of Starbucks in order to buy some shares of Amazon because they think that will help better position their retirement self-sufficiency to pay a new tax so that Bernie can buy votes from empty-headed young people who foolishly went six figures into debt because they really, really like the fraternity scene at a famous university ... that's liberty?

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    11. Re: The only hope by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Trump is the only candidate who wants to force 40% tax on h1b1 candidates to encourage American employment. Just saying

    12. Re:The only hope by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      Hillary "Vote for me because I have a vagina" Clinton

      As a non-US person who sees the news only from outside the country and what makes it on Slashdot, this sounds like the single most sane and sensible platform any current candidate is running on.

    13. Re: The only hope by jxander · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bernie. He seems to be the only one with the genuine goal of improving the country. Everyone else seems to be more interested in the power, money, prestige, money, and money that come with a successful campaign.

      Case in point: this article. Dollars to donuts says Cruz and Rubio don't sincerely hold the beliefs espoused in the proposed bill. Hell, I'd be honestly surprised if either of them could explain the basic concepts of net neutrality and the ramifications of gaining/losing it.

      That's not to say that I fully agree with Sanders' plan. Not even remotely. But I'll vote for sincere optimism instead of cynical money-grabbing any day. And twice on Tuesday.

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    14. Re: The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And he did such a great job being incharge of VA oversight! The government ran VA healthcare system is the envy of the world.. Oh.. wait. No it sucks ass. Just like the rest Bernie.

    15. Re:The only hope by jedidiah · · Score: 1, Informative

      Bernie's policies don't just require "higher taxes" or "more government spending", they would require a PROFOUND increase in both. There's simply no free lunch, even in societies that believe in that sort of thing. The piper is paid.

      Americans have this strange idea that they can have things both ways, spend like drunken sailors, and never have to pick up the tab.

      The idea that you can "cut waste" or "cut fraud" just leads to the degredation of whatever program you're trying to gut.

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    16. Re:The only hope by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Bernie doesn't have a fucking clue, and neither do the fast majorty that support him. Like most politicians, he's just full of platitudes without any serious plan. Same could be said of Clinton and Trump. Cruz has a plan, but he's a bit of a snake in the grass to be sure. I'm not saying who you should or shouldn't vote for, but don't delude yourself in that Bernie "has a plan". No! No he fucking doesn't!! Never had, never will.

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    17. Re: The only hope by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Democrat Team has a big dilemma at the moment.

      They have to consider the very real possibility of the DOJ bringing the hammer down on their favorite candidate. It is no surprise it hasn't happened yet, they're waiting to see if she gets the nomination or not.

      If she does, then you bring the inditement and watch the Democrat hopes for the Presidency go down like a ship who just tangled with an iceberg.

      They KNOW this is a very good possibility so they have a difficult decision to make. Their favorite candidate ( Hillary ) comes with a lot of risk. Their secondary ( Bernie ) may not be able to overcome Trump.

      My guess is Hillary will get the nod, the DOJ will play their ace and it will get real stupid real fast.

      Ultimately, it will probably be Bernie vs Trump in the end. Bernie has some great ideas but:

      Without congressional support they'll never come to pass and I really don't want to pay more taxes than I already do to fund them. If they can find other ways to pay for them then great. ( back off that defence budget a bit would be a great start )

      Pushing me into paying 1/3 of my salary into a bloated and inefficient system without some serious oversight on their wasteful spending isn't going to win a vote from me anytime soon.

      As it stands, I might have enough to retire on. Maybe. Voting for someone who wants to take even more money from me makes no sense at all as I prefer not to work until I die.

    18. Re:The only hope by Nyder · · Score: 1

      Who are you rooting for then?

      Hillary "Vote for me because I have a vagina" Clinton, or Bernie "Let's raise taxes and give everyone Totally Free Stuff*" Sanders?

      Not that I think the R's are any better. I just don't see any good choice available.

      Look Hillary, you and I both know this "raise the taxes" is bullshit. Yes, we will pay a slightly higher tax under Bernie, but we will NOT have to pay for healthcare, and that makes it so even with a higher tax, we are paying less a month then currently.

      Let's do some math.

      Let's say you currently pay $200 a month taxed and 400 a month for healthcare. $600 a month is what you are paying. Except under Bernie, taxes might be $300 but then you don't for healthcare. So what are you total cost under Bernie? $300. Which is $300 less then what you are currently paying.

      So ya, fuck you Hilliary because you say you are for the people, but you want me to pay an extra $300 a month.

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    19. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's INCREDIBLY easy to be both stupid and a successful businessman.

      He's really not a "sucessful" businessman in the traditional sense of the word.
      He has a horrible money making record. He has about as much as ol' dad gave him ages ago (adjusted for inflation etc).

      To be good at business and be stupid just requires two things. A willingness to pay others to think for you for "all that business stuff" and a low value for other humans.

      Shrewd and stupid aren't mutually exclusive but aren't the same either.

      You can easily train a rat to "get the cheese", many higherups are about as smart as that. Getting cheese is their game.

      I literally am currently working on a board report for a group that has no idea what their legal responsibilities are in that role, no plan, no cohesive direction, no ability to understand the context in which they even exist to be able to ask the question to get the answers they need. The CEO and other execs too.

      I know this sounds pretty extreme, but it's totally true. The people just are literally just groping in the dark and happen to grab enough ideas from underlings that aren't total shite to make it survive. It's literally blown my mind as I've climbed the ladder. Maybe this is just the worst possible real life example. FML.

    20. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem is that with Sanders what you will end up with is higher taxes and less than what you get now once the real bill comes home and he realizes that there is no way to afford all the "FREE STUFFZZZ!!!" he is promising. Even his own economists are saying there is no way what he is promising will work.

      Unfortunately, there are no good options left in the race. We are screwed for at least the next 4 years.

    21. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't want to defend him (he's racist),

      No need to touch this one.

      * He is not stupid. Its almost impossible to be stupid and a successful business owner the same time.

      He is not a successful businessman, every business he has run has ended in bankruptcy. His only success is his personal brand, he has been EXTREMELY successful in promoting himself.

      * Trump wants to get an ordered immigration system. America had this before the war, when most immigrants came from europe (either because of their religion or because of poverty), you were really privileged with having the atlantic in between. Now the immigrants come from mexico, and mexico is a country which is in a very bad shape. Building a wall is not a solution, but it can be part of a good concept to get order into the immigration process. A nation should have the right to require its immigrants to be registered.

      He doesn't want an ORDERED immigration system. He wants to close and bar the gates. An ordered system is what we need but not what he is proposing.

      * I don't care about somebody's hairdo

      I have no interest in anybody's hairdo either but somone needs to tell him to get that dead cat off his head.

    22. Re: The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bernie is the only one who successfully duped you.

      The process filters out true statesmen, leaving only the sell-outs (it is by design, the intent is to force politicians to cooperate, the effect is only two-faced liars ever get very far).

      We don't so much pick our leaders as we pick the face of our betrayer. You, apparently, like Bernie's face.

    23. Re:The only hope by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Look Hillary, you and I both know this "raise the taxes" is bullshit.

      I never understood why everyone just accepts 'raise the taxes' as a bad option?
      Sure no-one likes to spend more money than they have to, but at some point if you want better services, you have to pay more for them.
      I would quite happily accept a modest rise in taxes, if they were reasonably even across the board, and they offered a benefit to society.
      How about instead of spending $1trillion on a war, we spend $1trillion on education? Can you imagine how much stronger the country would be if the education budget was boosted by $1trillion? You could almost argue the cost of it would almost pay itself back, but that would create too many arguments. Much easier to blow stuff up and keep throwing people in jail. It's so much easier to sell...

    24. Re:The only hope by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Hillary will get the nomination....and then promptly get SLAUGHTERED in the general election.

      I'm not a Hillary fan, but my experience of trying to pick winners tells me she has it in the bag (and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is here).
      My reasons:
      Trump is clearly the best Republican candidate. Even if he was Satan himself, the guy has a certain no-nonsense charm that people are attracted too. Cruz and Rubio are too much of the old party that (Churchie, anti gay/abortion) that people are getting sick of. Trump may be a buffoon, but he is a fresh take, and has a personality for TV that sells. So he'll win the Republican ticket.

      For the Dems, Sanders just makes too much sense and American voters can't deal with that. They aren't used to it so will be suspicious. Hillary will walk the middle of the road, Ma Kettle, familiar friendly face you all know, and win on the numbers (ie the middle is always fatter than the fringes).

      For the same reason, come the big race Hillary is a pro and will continue the trusting old mother routine (regardless of facts, this is her gimmick), while giving Trump plenty of rope to hang himself.
      Ignore the policies, the history, and your personal opinion, Hillary has the experience in the game, and for that reason she'll win.

    25. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only assholes throw around the racist label without looking into it.

    26. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bernie is a mainstream politician, and is somewhat dependent on contributions from the elites.

      You seem to not understand where Bernie gets his campaign money from...

    27. Re: The only hope by mishehu · · Score: 1

      If I'm not mistaken, Cruz has already publicly demonstrated that he doesn't understand a single thing about what net neutrality is.

    28. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As Trump has more successful private sector experience, he would be superior to the democrats, which are currently choosing between a criminal and a radical (look at his past). Both democrats are incredibly divisive when it comes to identity politics, which will only make race issues worse. We need someone who is not divisive if we are to heal these issues.

      If Trump gets the nomination, it would represent the republican party loosing a major impediment to modern independent voters, namely, its orthogonal social and religious platform items. Those items were added to the republican platform relatively recently, so essentially, this represents the republican platform going back to its roots.

      Trump will probably win, but if the economy crashes or we get attacked as a result of our border policy, Trump's victory will be certain.

    29. Re: The only hope by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Bernie. He seems to be the only one with the genuine goal of improving the country. Everyone else seems to be more interested in the power, money, prestige, money, and money that come with a successful campaign.

      And what is your ... "basis"... for that claim? Your statement seems to be nonsense to me unless the only way you think the US could be improved would be to turn it into a "workers paradise" as various socialist countries were styled in previous decades. I assume you are aware that "workers paradise" should be understood as being ironic.
       

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    30. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have no real stake in this contest, but I'm curious as I see this point often trumpeted. I don't think anyone believes that increased government services are free, obviously they require an increase in taxes - isn't a moderate increase in taxes for healthcare better than the current system you have now? Every other first world country has this and their systems are leagues ahead in terms of efficiency and cost-effectiveness. A good healthcare system that runs on your taxes would lower private insurance costs too (if you decide you need it).

      You're trading a social healthcare system (among other things, but this is the big one) for a false image of 'liberty' that you don't really have.

    31. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Democrats win the presidency again.

      I understand your argument: Republican policies are so batshit-crazy that no-one will survive them. But crazy politicians are not the problem. You saying only the Democrats can save you is the problem. Until you start promoting a political dialogue that doesn't depend on democrat/republican/anti-American rhetoric, US congress will always be owned by the rich end of town. I know returning control of congress to the voter is not a simple task but the first step is not asking the incumbent party to save you.

    32. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As Trump has more successful private sector experience

      Except he hasn't. Really. Look it up.

      Trump is awful at running a business. He is very good at one thing: Promoting himself as a brand.

      Running a whole country? Extremely unlikely, I'd say.

      But hey, keep on hating the others. That'll help...

    33. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For most people, the only tax increase is for the medicare-for-all system, which would PROFOUNDLY decrease the overall money each person would have to spend on healthcare, since they no longer have to pay any insanely high premiums and deductibles.

    34. Re:The only hope by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Trump has the clearest case of narcissistic personality disorder I've ever seen. As such he will only do whatever aggrandises Donald Trump the most. You'de probably right that he'll change track after the primaries. But the trouble is he's completely unpredictable, ad there are no limits to what he will do. That's what makes him so dangerous.

    35. Re: The only hope by johannesg · · Score: 1

      Bernie. He seems to be the only one who genuinely has his shills posting openly on slashdot. The rest of them don't have a pre-canned message they can easily post here to sway our minds.

      Case in point: compare #51604627 and #51605469.

    36. Re:The only hope by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      GOP would never let Trump have the nomination, if they could stop it. But they can't. The same could apply to Bernie.

      I think it won't for 2 reasons. 1. His cash is limited. 2. Americans have been trained to equate socialism with evil.

    37. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No taxes and no government != liberty

    38. Re: The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not enough because the companies will just move the jobs away. He will need to impose tariffs.

    39. Re: The only hope by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      How much do you spend on healthcare?

      I have coronary heart disease. Yet I still only spend the equivalent of about $20 per month. (My contribution to the 3 daily drugs I take.) And nothing for visiting a doctor or the hospital. Thanks to the "socialist" UK NHS.

    40. Re: The only hope by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Protectionism. Fool's gold.

    41. Re:The only hope by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Not every business he ran ended in bankruptcy. He at least had some successes.

      And he does want an ordered immigration system. He wants people to "go through a process". He does not want to close the border completely.

    42. Re:The only hope by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      He says stuff like "mexicans bring crime into america" or "close the border for muslims". That clearly is racist. Yes he then says that "I like the mexican people" stuff and "I have thousands and thousands of mexicans working for me", but from my standards that sentence alone is racist.

      The reason why so many mexicans are criminals is not an ethnic or cultural problem, its a social problem. Its about missing oppurtunity for a legal job and a weak mexican state.

    43. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Socialism is evil, and also it is bad. It ironically represents everything that socialists despise, but they are too stupid to realise. If you write down a list of all the things that would make the worst kind of government, then compare it with socialist countries (or Hollywood), and you get a perfect match.

    44. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * He is not stupid. Its almost impossible to be stupid and a successful business owner the same time.

      You said it yourself, almost impossible. And is he truly a successful business owner? It seems several of his business ventures have failed, so he is perhaps not the golden boy so many seems to think. Although he is extremely good at boosting his own brand and inflating it's worth if that means anything to you.

    45. Re:The only hope by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      She has NO chance in hell. Just go to Twitter and look up the "#whichhillary" tag and see for yourself, you can be DAMNED sure Trump's PR team is busy writing down every single one of those flip flops she pulled and WILL use them in the general election.

      This isn't even bringing up the email scandal, the transcripts of the paid lectures she gave the big bankers (which you know someone is gonna leak and they way she is fighting anybody reading them? I bet she promised them a bunch of shit which will bite her right on her well fed ass), her saying black youth needed to be "brought to heel" (yeah that's gonna go over well in 2016) or the huge checks she cashed from the private prison industry AND the Waltons of Walmart infamy, two groups not exactly loved by the average voter.

      I'm sorry but its only her own arrogance and belief the presidency is "owed" to her that is keeping her afloat now, she has waaaay too much baggage, too many skeletons, too many shady deals, hell as another pointed out the DOJ probably has enough on her to get an indictment if they want to. its ironic as hell but she is truly the only one with enough nasty backroom deals to make Donald Fricking Trump come out looking as the more honest and trustworthy candidate! Mark my words whichhillary will be her Willie Horton with Trump absolutely burying her in the polls by simply running ads showing her flip flops and the black vote? Seeing her saying they needed to be "brought to heel" will kill any chance a single one will vote for her.

      Lets face it she is fucked and I have zero doubt she will end up with a worse loss than Dukakis, its gonna be a slaughter.

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    46. Re:The only hope by dywolf · · Score: 1

      a ~9% tax increase in trade for not spending ~15-20% of your income on insurance premiums.
      I fail to see how that isn't a worthy trade.

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    47. Re:The only hope by Script+Cat · · Score: 1

      Exactly, the Republicans fielded a pack of retards this year and put Trump into the mix to make them look normal. The Democrats have Hillary with all her political baggage and allowed Sanders to play to make her look like a centrist. I don't agree with socialism but, we allowed capitalism to end when we stopped trust busting. A market without real competition can not be called capitalism. The only people competing now are employees for jobs and we can't sell off out manufacturing capabilities fast enough. Sanders at least wants what's best for the country but will not have free reign to implement all his socialist ideas. It would be interesting to see the Trump vs Sanders election. I sure hope there is an independent running this year.
      No, I am not an unemployed millennial with a degree in art history.

    48. Re:The only hope by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      We're always going to get higher taxes and more government spending.

      As long as defeatist twats think that this is true, sure.

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    49. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporate slavery != liberty

    50. Re:The only hope by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      Liberty ,noun
      The authority given to the government to confiscate private property if the owner is deemed to have too much private property.

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    51. Re:The only hope by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Can you quantify that amount, or is it just "PROFOUND"? If you can't quantify it, you can't use it in the argument. You're going to have to create some other scary sound-bite to use...

    52. Re:The only hope by dave420 · · Score: 1

      As long as that process still costs thousands upon thousands per application (regardless of whether it is successful or not) illegal immigration will continue.

    53. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bernie's policies don't just require "higher taxes" or "more government spending", they would require a PROFOUND increase in both. There's simply no free lunch, even in societies that believe in that sort of thing.

      If I can trade my $500/month health insurance bill for $5000/year in health taxes, sign me up.

    54. Re:The only hope by sacrilicious · · Score: 1

      Who are you rooting for then? Hillary "Vote for me because I have a vagina" Clinton, or Bernie "Let's raise taxes and give everyone Totally Free Stuff*" Sanders?

      Easy: Bernie. Next question.

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    55. Re: The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you post some links to those "1/3 of my salary" numbers?

      I've been looking at Bernie's proposed tax plan, and I don't see anything like that. I wonder if you are simply re-barking propaganda you read in a meme somewhere.

      Or could it be that your income is outrageously high? If so, I have no sympathy for you and your high tax bracket, Mr. "I *Might* Have Enough to Retire".

      Wealth is a privilege allowed BY the commoners, bestowed TO the rich, as the basis of their contract of capitalism. The way you say Thank You for being allowed to be rich is to pay higher taxes.

    56. Re:The only hope by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      It depends. Right now, as private purchasers of health insurance and prescription drugs, we spend more money per capita than any nation with socialized health care. That tells me that the rest of the world may have stumbled onto something that works better than what we're doing - the aggregate negotiating power of an entire nation is going to be far better than each individual insurance pool, being either a single company, or a pool of small companies.

      So perhaps adopting a single-payer system would, in fact, be far more efficient on a cost perspective, allowing for "cutting waste" and "cutting fraud" to deliver savings. Yes, taxes would go up - but if the tax hike is equal or less than my monthly insurance premium that is deducted from my paycheck anyway... in the end do I care?

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    57. Re:The only hope by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I don't spend anywhere close to 15-20% of my income on insurance premiums. Even if you add in my pre-tax contribution to my HSA and my employer-paid health benefits, I'm just over 5% of the gross pay on the same payslip. Granted, I don't have dependents, so I'm only covering myself.

      Where in the hell did you come up with that number, though? It seems like either you made it up, or you have some combination of low pay and high premiums.

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    58. Re: The only hope by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      If you're voting twice on Tuesday, then it sounds like Ted "Voter Violation" Cruz might be the candidate for you! /rimshot

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    59. Re:The only hope by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Education is one of those problems that simply throwing money at it, doesn't fix it. The US spends more per student than practically any European nation, and we have less to show for it. Source: http://www.oecd.org/education/... (page 206 for a nice chart). Are you really saying that the 40% more we spend than Germany is working, when I'm pretty sure just about everyone would argue that German primary education is superior?

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    60. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the VA scandal, I'm not sure I want the government running all healthcare. It already makes up 27% of our budget! https://static.nationalpriorities.org/images/fb101/2014/presidents-proposed-total-spending.png
      A couple years ago when the deficit was about $500 billion still, we could have taxed the "rich" at 100% and still not covered that.

    61. Re:The only hope by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      People keep saying that experience will beat Trump, yet he's running a mile ahead of two members of the United States Senate, a sitting Governor who was elected to Congress 9 times, and several other Governors and Senators that have already fallen by the wayside.

      Why do you think that Hillary's experience will all of a sudden matter, where none of these other career politicians' experience did? I'm absolutely not a Trump supporter - I'd really like to see him crash and burn *right now* in order to salvage one of the other candidates and have a real election this fall, but the argument just doesn't hold water.

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    62. Re: The only hope by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      But Trump says he's not even a natural born 'mericon.

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    63. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bernie doesn't even understand basic economics. For example, he doesn't understand why college loans and mortgage loans(collateral) have different interest rates.
      Democrats told us Obamacare would lower costs and it didn't. Whenever the government does something, you can count on it costing much more than expected. You have oversimplified things. Look at the VA scandal where they were not even taking care of our troops. Perhaps Bernie's health plan at least would be a good thing. If it's not, we can't easily go back. Once a large government program is in place, there's no turning back.

    64. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone honestly think he would be able to drive these tax increases through Congress? Like all Presidents if he gets elected he will severely scale back on the things he said during the campaign, that's how it works they promise everything and in return do very little of it.

    65. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People like you are making it difficult for smart people to talk about real issues. You must be able to speak in generalizations at times. "ethnic or cultural problem, its a social problem" is a distinction without a difference in most contexts. The exact nature of this problem is irrelevant if you must describe a border issue in 15 seconds or less. It is unreasonable to expect a scholarly length speech if you are listening to a medium that expects short sound bites.

      There is a problem with crime in Mexico. The export of USA's drug prohibition policies to Mexico has created situation where organized crime exceeds government power, similar to the power of mobs under USA's alcohol prohibition in the past. Stating "mexicans bring crime into america" and "close the border for muslims" is an accurate statement if you allow generalizations. If you disallow generalizations, speech will look more like legalese, which is an absurd expectation to have for English speakers on television. If you think that you can do better, try running for office. You will either have to 1) be truthful and take absurd criticism like what you just gave, or 2) lie and make social problems worse by inaccuracy articulating the problems to appease pedants.

      In summary, you are calling Trump racist because you expect legalese like language instead of the normal English generalizations that everyone uses. Trump is not racist, you have unrealistic language expectations.

    66. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Promoting himself as a brand." Some people actually think that this is what the president should be. A figurehead for the USA. I disagree with that, as we should be voting for the policy issues that can be made for the duration of the term. But lots of people want a strong figurehead, instead of the weak ones that we have had and other choices in this coming election.

      As far as running a business, I would take Trump over people who have no private sector experience whatsoever. Better to try and fail than not try at all. Failure is the best teacher. What have the others learned from running a business? Nothing. They have not even tried. This makes them far less suitable for office.

      "keep on hating the others."
      Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    67. Re:The only hope by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      She has NO chance in hell. Just go to Twitter and look up the "#whichhillary" tag and see for yourself,

      Ok just stop. Twitter has never been useful for anything ever, so don't even go there. Even assuming there was some hate campaign, do you seriously think more people hate her than hated GWB in 2004? Haters don't decide elections, voters do, and Hillary will have more of them on the day.

      you can be DAMNED sure Trump's PR team is busy writing down every single one of those flip flops she pulled and WILL use them in the general election.

      Doesn't matter. He has the loose cannon vibe, which works well against other crazies in the Republican noms, but it won't work against old mom apple pie and ice cream.

      This isn't even bringing up...

      As I said none of this matters in elections. The big race is all about presenting a facade of security and reliability. Sure Hillary bight be neither, but that's her gimmick. And the reason it's her gimmick is that she and her team knows it will work.

      Lets face it she is fucked and I have zero doubt she will end up with a worse loss than Dukakis, its gonna be a slaughter.

      Care to place a friendly wager?

    68. Re:The only hope by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Education is one of those problems that simply throwing money at it, doesn't fix it.

      Of course not. Throwing money into a fire won't put it out either, but there are solutions that exist that require money to implement.

    69. Re:The only hope by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Why do you think that Hillary's experience will all of a sudden matter, where none of these other career politicians' experience did?

      Because in the eyes of Joe Average, she has not only been a Senator, but Sec of State, and First Lady. Sure that might not mean anything to you or me, but when compared a hothead from Queens, it's almost like royalty.
      I know this doesn't matter when any scrutiny is applied, but that's the thing about elections, perception is reality.

    70. Re:The only hope by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Neither of those things have anything to do with liberty whatsoever. But republicans love to tell you they do, so you're busy looking at that while they strip all your ACTUAL liberties away. Censoring the media to appease their social conservative base, making abortions de facto impossible to get with onerous regulations (where was that anti-regulation stance from Cruz when his state passed a series of regulations that left the largest state with only two providers for this service ?), starting unwinnable wars to give money to their defense-contractor-cronies.

      Some of the most free countries in the world also have some of the highest taxes - it's simply not important. What *does* matter is:
      1) Are you getting value for your money - is your taxes well-spent, on high quality government services that are as good as the market would have provided without the onerous need to pay for somebody else's profits ? That's a win everytime you can get it, and exactly why universal healthcare is actually cheaper for society (much) than so-called free market healthcare. People say Bernie's plan would cost too much, but utterly ignore 50% of the balance sheet, it's always cost less to do this right - and there's no evidence it wouldn't this time.
      2) What quality of life can you get with the money you keep ? If you had half as much cash as you do now, but had a nicer house, a nicer car, shorter hours away from your family, could afford a decent vacation once a year - would you care ? Would you SERIOUSLY call that a bad deal ?

      I would rather defend freedoms that matter, like freedom of thought and freedom of speech and privacy, than worry about something as utterly insignificant to the world as the tax rate.

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    71. Re:The only hope by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      I did the math for my own country recently. To give everybody who got at least a 50% average in highschool free university (including a living stipend and with about a 30% budget boost to hire additional lecturers, build infrastructure for the increased student numbers etc. etc) would work out to about half a million rand per candidate.
      Then I worked out what happens if we DON'T do that. Without a tertiary education in this country - you will never earn more than minimum wage levels, it's virtually impossible - maybe one in ten-thousand manage it, so you can't bet on those odds. Instead - you're talking poverty, which means that person uses more healthcare, and has to use the public healthcare facilities that taxpayers fund, that person spends a lot more time unemployed (because low-skill jobs tend not to have job security) so we're spending a lot more money on social safety nets to keep her from starving than we otherwise would - she is never earning enough to pay income tax, but she still uses services like roads and sewage which she isn't helping to pay upkeep on. She spends almost her entire income just on surviving - that is, on essential goods, so she isn't paying sales tax either. Over her lifetime her entire tax bill is maybe 3000-rand (inflation adjusted over 50 years from high-school graduation) - but she's cost the treasury at least 5-million. That's ten times what it would have cost to send her to university. Even though if we do this many would drop-out and not complete, a lot would finish - and they earn middle-class incomes. They pay income tax. They buy houses and cars and pay taxes on those. They have job security so they rarely if ever use the social safety net. They can afford private medical care so they are reducing the burden on the public clinics.

      Even if only 10% of them actually graduated, society would turn a massive profit on the deal, the tax-income from all these educated people exceeds the cost of educating them many times over. That's money I save.

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    72. Re:The only hope by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >Proposing $19 trillion in new give-aways that only those who don't pay income taxes could love, and which the other half of the country (which DOES pay income taxes) won't support, is sane?

      You can always tell an idiot by his inability to recognize the difference between an investment and an expense. They usually use phrases like "no such thing as a free lunch" because they are incapable of figuring out that if you spend money on the right things you MAKE more money than you spent. The weird thing is, when their wealthy corporation-buddies do that, they praise it, and those guys do it all the time - but when somebody suggests government does it, then they call him crazy...

      Republicans have been telling us for years that "government should be run more like a business" - well THIS is how you run government more like a business: by buying assets that will make you more money than it will cost. Assets like lots and lots of college graduates who don't have debt and earn taxable incomes. Assets like public healthcare which costs less than any other way of doing it, provides higher quality and - because people are sick less - makes a profit because everybody can be more productive.
      Healthcare can NEVER be done for a profit, it's literally impossible. If the "healthcare industry" has made a profit, everybody else suffered a loss 5 times or more that. Take whatever the healthcare industry adds to your GDP away, and your GDP goes up by more than 5 times that amount.

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    73. Re:The only hope by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      My point is that the money is there already, it's just not being used very wisely. I've got no problems with funding education - education is the silver bullet that makes a whole lot of problems go away - but I do have a problem throwing good money after bad. And without major reform to education that isn't partisan hackery or terrible legislation that causes schools to teach test memorization rather than teach fundamental knowledge and critical thinking skills (No Child Left Behind), I don't think increasing funding will have the effects we're both looking for.

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    74. Re:The only hope by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      My point is that the money is there already, it's just not being used very wisely.

      Or it's both. The current funding could be applied better, but once that is sorted, more of it will help.

    75. Re:The only hope by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      WTF are you smoking? Would you care to explain how she is gonna "present a facade of security and reliability" when they can literally make an hour long infomercial of her arguing for AND against every single issue that you can possibly name? Who the fuck is gonna listen to her when Trump can just whip out a 30 second soundbite of Hillary refuting HERSELF, he doesn't even have to open his mouth, just sit there with a tablet and push the button like a fricking soundboard!

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    76. Re:The only hope by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      WTF are you smoking? Would you care to explain how she is gonna "present a facade of security and reliability" when they can literally make an hour long infomercial of her

      As I said already, elections are won by people with the most votes, not the most hates. You can hate on GWB, or Obama, or Hillary all you like, but these people win because they have the most support.

      The wager is still open. I don't think Hillary will when because she's the best candidate, she'll win because she has all the elements needed to win an election.

    77. Re:The only hope by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      If you earn less than $250,000 a year, you probably don't have to worry about higher taxes.

      And even if you do earn that or more, the amount by which your taxes will go up will be offset by no longer having to pay some other expenses you'd otherwise incur.

      Where I come from, hardly anyone has private health insurance, and even those who do would never pay $1000+ a month for it. Growing up, a doctors visit was subsidized such that the out of pocket cost was $10-15 (I'm guessing the equivalent of a co-pay - still is about this cost as of the last time I went back to visit).

      Whereas in the US I see co-pays of $60-100 easy... and considering the minimum wage here, that just seems burdensome, which results in a lot of sick people not being able to get well - they can't afford to take time off work but also can't afford the doctor, and so they stay sick. It makes no sense to me.

      And remember, even the highest proposed rate is still going to be WAY less than it was during the US boom-era, where lots of people seems to be doing perfectly bloody well for themselves. So quit your bitching.

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    78. Re:The only hope by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      Profound is relative... Do you earn over $250k a year? No? Then no significant increases for you... but you will see benefits.

      Besides which, I'm not from the US but my company and I both pay some taxes in the US. I resent my tax dollars funding a war I have zero involvement in, in countries I've visited which seemed to be alright at the time.

      On the other hand, if subsidized education helps me find more/better talent in the US, and subsidized healthcare makes it easier even for my employees (despite the fact that even our lowest ranking employees get well over minimum wage) then that's awesome for me as an employer (FWIW my US company is staffed 100% by Americans, my Indian company are staffed 100% by Indians; and while they share a name, they are entirely separate and only related in that they have me as a common director -- but I'm not from either country).

      All things considered, even with the proposed increases you (we) still have pretty low tax-rates in the US... which is probably why so many states/towns are in debt and can't maintain or fund anything. And expecting a refund at the end of the year is practically unheard of anywhere else - which probably exacerbates the situation.

      I personally feel a 10% tax increase is worthwhile if it "releases" me from having to pay for certain things through private insurance, and given the difference in how much will be left in my bank account at the end of the year (negligible at most), at least a public system benefits everybody, no matter which end of the salary scale they're on.

      What does bother me about US taxes, though... is the complexity. If I only had to fill out a single page tax form like I do in most other countries, I'd be a happy camper.

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    79. Re:The only hope by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if it's 15-20% for a family, but even then, you're paying 5% for one thing... and you probably still have to pay a fee and/or deductable to actually go to the doctor/hospital.

      But the 9% increase also takes care of spending in other areas (like education and infrastructure)... part of which may not apply to you right now (but could one day).

      End of the day? 9% is a bargain.

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    80. Re:The only hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how is your life of liberty in Mogadishu?

    81. Re:The only hope by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      Even if "no plan" means copying from Scandinavia (which broadly speaking seems to be his gist), I can go for that.

      Sure, those countries have their own problems (I lived in one of them for 3 years), but, they're nowhere near what the US is facing (where I am now).

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    82. Re: The only hope by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      I have a feeling you're mistaking socialism for something else.

      Remember: Socialist Something of Whatever is to Socialism as Democratic Republic of Blah is to Democracy... and Peoples Whatever of Somewhere is definitely *not* for the people ;)

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  5. Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Funny

    Trump is likely the GOP nominee #RIP_PartyOfLincoln
    Hillary is almost certainly the Dem nominee after SC, hopefully someone will douse her with a bucket of water. #WhatAWorld

    Does anyone think Net Neutrality is going to survive past November no matter what ?

    1. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes.

      "Hillary Backs Strongest Net Neutrality Rules"
      http://time.com/3721452/hillar...

    2. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And You believe her ?

    3. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by mjpollard · · Score: 2

      More than I believe any Republican, any time, anywhere. But please, feel free to believe that Hillary Clinton is pure evil from the lowest depths of hell if it makes you feel better.

    4. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      https://www.google.com/search?...

      13,900,000 results (0.44 seconds)

      Say what you want about the GOP they are at least willing to give the middle finger to their leadership.

    5. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You do not have to believe that Hillary Clinton is pure evil from the lowest depths of hell. Just that she is a self centered liar looking out only for herself. Or that anything she does for others is ancillary to getting hers in the process.

    6. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She isn't evil; she's a political opportunist who will say anything to get what she wants. Don't forget she was opposed to a whole lot of things that she's now suddenly in favor of.

    7. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by avatar+avatar · · Score: 2

      You don't run for president if you aren't self centered and you don't stay in national politics for long if you aren't willing to lie/change positions/etc. That said, it sounds like you don't like the fact that she's a viable candidate for POTUS.

    8. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More than I believe any Republican, any time, anywhere.

      Huh? Trump promised me a free internet - it just won't have Univision.com.

    9. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Not sure where this comes from. All evidence from people who have worked with her points to her being an incredibly caring and selfless person. She has a long list of accomplishments that meaningfully have helped people. It seems to be a convenient slur against her. Seriously, on the level of politicians, who almost universally have suspect motivations, she's got to be one of the better ones.

      But sure, keep spreading your illogical, probably misogynistic, baseless drivel.

    10. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Megol · · Score: 1

      I don't know why you included change positions? It is anybody that isn't willing to change positions if given new/better data one should avoid!

    11. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by sumdumass · · Score: 0

      Name those accomplishments that have helped others. I'm betting that you actually do believe there are some but will find out it is a lie when you try to find them.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04...

      As for her lies being a slur, it is well documented. Here is a list compiled in 2008 by a Clinton confidant (long time friend and advisory to Bill Clinton) Dick Morris.

      http://www.realclearpolitics.c...

      Now I did find some lists of accomplishments but I don't find them remarkable or extremely helpful to anyone in particular. In fact, some of them seem to require little more than not voting "no" while in the senate. Others are just speeches given that no noticeable follow through seems to have surfaced. Most of the so called accomplishments are subjective to opinion and ideological points of view.

    12. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Nah.. I don't like the fact that she is seen by some as flawless when she clearly is not. It's like people are brainwashed or deliberately obtuse on the subject but willing to spout such strong sentiments they know nothing about.

      If we seriously have idiots like those deciding the future of our country, we have lost all hope of having a future. The same can be said about Trump supporters. Maybe it is a sign of the times and I'm old enough to just tell everyone to get off my damn lawn.

    13. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      You do not have to believe that Hillary Clinton is pure evil from the lowest depths of hell. Just that she is a self centered liar looking out only for herself.

      Actually, both are true. She's both pure evil of worst kind, and a lying bitch. If the primaries go as they're likely to go, you Americans won't be able to choose between lesser of two evils -- but only between two equally bad mindboggling evils.

      On par with our current government in Poland.

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    14. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Consider that there is also a content/service industry lobby of Netflix, YouTube, iTunes, Spotify, Steam, Skype etc. that don't want ISPs to get creative. I doubt it's enough of a voter issue to matter, so her position probably means she's received campaign contributions from the "right" lobbying group. Which means she might actually remember after the election too, unlike much the other fluff they say to get elected. While I think there's a few cases where there's actual ideology involved like Ted Cruz and religion, for the most part just follow the money...

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    15. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      No I think she is a rich spoiled elitist whose body language just screams "get these people away from me!" whose gonna be crucified if she gets the nomination by her own words from the past 30+ years. Want examples here you go. Notice how they can whip up in like 20 second a pic like this one which she gave DETAILED explanations on why she was FOR this or that, then turned right around when the wind started blowing the other way and then came out with the same amount of detail on why she is against it?

      Hillary comes off as trustworthy as a used car salesman trying to sell an 85 Mustang and she has flip flopped so damned many times in her life they can make vid after vid after vid of Hillary going against herself. She does not have a prayer and you can thank her endless greed and ambition for why we will have President Donald.

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    16. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Hillary tells the truth about 25% of the time.

      Citation:
      http://www.politifact.com/pers...

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    17. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Could be. If you are an incumbent though being able to buy your spot could look mighty nice.

      If you're Google, no new search engine competition, nothing to compete with youtube.

      Twitter ? People don't want to use your service anymore, so what nothing can arise to replace you.

      I am sure you see the picture.

    18. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not sure where this comes from. All evidence from people who have worked with her points to her being an incredibly caring and selfless person.

      Yes, for her family and inner circle - she "selflessly" lets them in on the Clinton machine's heaps of money, power, and access (as long as they stay loyal, or don't have a fling with her husband, in which case they are publicly ruined or end up killing themselves or going to jail).

      She has a long list of accomplishments that meaningfully have helped people.

      Yes, she has a long list of events at which she used her position of power as Secretary of State in order to raise hundreds of millions of dollars for her family business from foreign governments that are notoriously abusive when it comes to "the people."

      Seriously, on the level of politicians, who almost universally have suspect motivations, she's got to be one of the better ones.

      No, not really. She's a corrupt serial liar, a poll-driven drive-by policy position holder with completely contradictory underlying philosophical premises, and would appear to be incredibly negligent if not outright criminally abusive in her handling of more-than-top-secret information while working her personal money making operation at the State Department. She looks you in the eye at public events, picks a phony accent out of her hat depending on what color your skin is, and then lies to you completely obvious ways that don't even pass the smell test. And that's who you are defending.

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    19. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hillary tells the truth about 25% of the time.

      Citation:
      http://www.politifact.com/pers...

      Actually, your link claims Hillary Clinton's statements are true or mostly true 51% of the time. You're ignoring the graded nuance in the ratings.

      Furthermore, compared the the ratings of the other major candidates on the same website, Hillary Clinton doesn't look so bad:

      http://www.politifact.com/pers...
      http://www.politifact.com/pers...
      http://www.politifact.com/pers...
      http://www.politifact.com/pers...

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    20. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Republican party has zero to do with Lincoln. What made you a Republican in 1864 is basically what makes you a Democrat today.

    21. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then you have Trump, who is even worse. The US is fucked, either way.

    22. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Funny how angry old white men in America are saying the same shit that angry old men in Sustralia said when we had our first female PM.
      As an outside observer, I've seen the none stop hate campaign from the US right Slashot posters against Mrs Clinton right from the moment it became possible she would be a contender, from you same bunch of outdated delusional bigots. I can't wait to see your reaction when she is elected.
      Priceless.

    23. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      When the Republican's are all either promising to do the opposite, or are a fascist buffoon, then a promise is the clear winner.

    24. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      I obviously disagree. . If you have forgotten the "Co-Presidency" of Bill and Hillary brought us the DMCA. So given the history, I find it prudent to remove this issue as a consideration when voting.

    25. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by dywolf · · Score: 1

      not much, but more than I believe the GOP who blatantly advertised their NN killing bill as a NN protecting one.

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    26. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Amen.

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    27. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Bingo.

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    28. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an outside observer, I've seen the none stop hate campaign from the US right Slashot posters against Mrs Clinton right from the moment it became possible she would be a contender, from you same bunch of outdated delusional bigots.

      You mean like the non-stop hate campaign from the US left against Trump and others on the political right? Your problem here, and maybe it is because you don't fully understand the US political system, is that there is NO DIFFERENCE between the left and the right. They are flavors of the same thing.

      I like Trump because he speaks his mind at all times, and he represents a change from the hugely entrenched political establishment. I also like many of Bernie Sanders' views - especially on personal liberty, government spying, etc. I like nothing about Hillary Clinton.

    29. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Shrug, The only real solution will be competition at the local loop.

      Even with the net neutrality regulations we have, Comcast is pulling an end run around them by imposing data caps.

    30. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      You do not have to believe that Hillary Clinton is pure evil from the lowest depths of hell. Just that she is a self centered liar looking out only for herself. Or that anything she does for others is ancillary to getting hers in the process.

      wow, so she's TOTALLY different from any other politician????

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    31. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Funny how angry old white men in America...

      In her primary loss a couple of weeks ago, Clinton saw over 80% of young white women vote against her. Polling says it's because they consider her to be a liar. Picking from a list of words to describe her, that is the one most often chosen by women.

      The "hate campaign" against her is just push-back against her entire career of corrupt manipulation and leveraging of political power to personally enrich her family. Was Australia's first female PM also a lying, corrupt person? That's the difference.

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    32. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's funny that you think people don't like her for being a woman. None of the comments you responded to had anything to do with this topic.

      For the record, I voted for a Jill Stein in the last presidential election. I see nothing wrong with a woman president. I also agree with pretty much every point you apparently think is spawned from bigotry.

      It's also hilarious you think the complaints are coming from the "US Right". Hillary Clinton, whose non-profit supporters used to take money from Donald Trump. The complaints about Hillary Clinton are real. She's a self serving corporate shill.

      I'm sure the people you describe exist, but don't confuse the whole of the argument against Hillary with that of a small subset of idiots. The reasons to oppose her nomination are real. Quite honestly, it probably won't matter if it's Hillary VS Trump-- at that point you are voting for the same party by two different names.

    33. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GOP hasn't been "The Party of Lincoln" since they absorbed all the KKK Dixiecrats during the segregation era.
       

    34. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Misrepresenting people's stances doesn't do anyone any service. Yes, there are some conservative talk radio honks that love to bloviate about Hillary and whatever, but nobody with a working brain actually believes that shit.

      What I do believe though, is that Hillary will change her policies and beliefs to match the highest bidder, which is usually behavior reserved for the Republicans that Hillary supporters despise for "being in the pockets of the corporate oligarchy" blah blah blah.

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    35. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because it's absolutely impossible for us to not like her as a candidate based on her past behavior and current positions on issues. It's absolutely because she's a woman, because absolutely no woman could ever be a successful head of state. Except for all the ones that have.

      Don't call me a bigot when you don't know a fucking thing about me, because it makes you an idiot.

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    36. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Mostly true is not true. It is either true or not. Yes, yes I do think politicians should be held to a reasonable standard. My statement is correct. She's telling the truth less than 25% of the time.

      Come to think of it... Wait, what? You're willing to accept "mostly true" and not be unhappy about that?

      It's okay - my favorite candidate lies more often than she does - I'd already checked that. I just like his lies better. (Sanders.)

      Seriously, it's reasonable to conclude that if Hillery is speaking, she's not telling the truth. With a politician, truth is a very binary thing. Unfortunately, we've been accepting lies for so long that we're now able to accept "mostly true" as the truth. That's horrible! (And I'm just as guilty.)

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    37. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's something wrong with those percent distribution calculations. For each candidate linked in GP, the totals are:

      Clinton: 163%
      Sanders: 66%
      Trump: 100%
      Cruz: 90%
      Rubio: 138%

      For them to have any meaning whatsoever, they should always add up to 100% (within rounding error).

    38. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the percentages do all add up to 100%. You added up the number of statements, not the percentages. Trump's percentages were based on 100 statements, so the numbers and the percentages are the same for him.

    39. Re:Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is likely the GOP nominee #RIP_PartyOfLincoln Hillary is almost certainly the Dem nominee after SC, hopefully someone will douse her with a bucket of water. #WhatAWorld

      Does anyone think Net Neutrality is going to survive past November no matter what ?

      #hashtags #mean #youre #important

    40. Re: Not to rub salt in anyones wounds by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Lol, the haters dont like being calked out do they?
      Its going to be so much fun when she gets elected.
      Its nice to see Sanders as a canidate, the first i can remember who actually is centrist not hard right or facist nutjob.

  6. Something to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You can tell a politician is lying because their lips are moving.

    Their job isn't to do the right thing, or anything at all.
    It's just to get elected.
    Then start sucking cash out of our wallets.

    That's it.
    Take a trip to DC and you'll see for yourself.

  7. Consumers should be driving the market by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They are. And it's reflected in the corrupt politicians they vote for and reelect.

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    1. Re:Consumers should be driving the market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hard to not reelect politicians who gerrymander districts

    2. Re:Consumers should be driving the market by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      But not impossible.. And you can shape your districts with a referendum on the ballot. It all depends on how much you want it.

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  8. More doublespeak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's restore internet freedom by preventing government regulatory authorities from guaranteeing it. Perfect doublespeak.

  9. please americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    don't elect trump president. If you do, you're not welcome anymore in europe.

    1. Re:please americans by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Nah... not Northern Islamistan.

      Northern Burkastan.

      Been to Paris lately?

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  10. It Follows by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course Ted Cruz is trying to kill the net neutrality rules. He's the fucking Zodiac Killer.

    http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/20...

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  11. Wait, Cruz and Rubio are Senators? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're actually showing up in the Senate to vote on something?

    1. Re:Wait, Cruz and Rubio are Senators? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Right? I'd be pissed if I lived in Florida or Texas. I don't get to run around interviewing for a new job on the clock with my current employer for months on end...

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  12. Comma comma comma comma comma chameleon by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Rubio, Cruz Try To Kill Neutrality On 1 Year Rule Anniversary

    Slashdot, using commas in place of the word "and" is a stupid, pointless tradition, and in this case it looks like you're tweeting Rubio to warn him about Cruz's plan (in bad English).

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    1. Re:Comma comma comma comma comma chameleon by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Rubio, Cruz Try To Kill Neutrality On 1 Year Rule Anniversary

      Slashdot, using commas in place of the word "and" is a stupid, pointless tradition, and in this case it looks like you're tweeting Rubio to warn him about Cruz's plan (in bad English).

      It's called "headline punctuation". Not only does is save 3 letters, but it makes the headline harder to parse, so you have to read it a second time or click it to see what it really means.

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    2. Re:Comma comma comma comma comma chameleon by Megol · · Score: 1

      I don't see why that would be harder to read, it isn't for me. But then I find: int xyl(int x, int y) { .. easier to read than: int xyl(int x and int y) { ...

  13. Drinking Water by Etherwalk · · Score: 2, Funny

    "the Presidential hopeful states the new law is necessary because the FCC's "burdensome" net neutrality rules are destroying innovation, diversity, and network investment."

    Examples plz

    They just realize the market will sort itself out better if utilities are unregulated and the Republicans are able to Bribe ISPs to load Democratic content slower.

    1. Re:Drinking Water by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

      "the Presidential hopeful states the new law is necessary because the FCC's "burdensome" net neutrality rules are destroying innovation, diversity, and network investment."

      Examples plz

      They just realize the market will sort itself out better if utilities are unregulated and the Republicans are able to Bribe ISPs to load Democratic content slower.

      So this was rated troll (perhaps because it seemed to demonize the party whose members are suggesting this), but actually points out the fundamental problem with deregulation--information pipes *are* common carriers and should have obligations to serve the public without discriminating on the basis of who wants to use them, just like bus companies have to treat passengers similarly.

  14. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The last time a Clinton was in the White House, the majority of the Internet had to be painted black.

    Hope is a fool's dream.

  15. I believe her WAY more than I believe you. by Brannon · · Score: 1

    nt

    1. Re:I believe her WAY more than I believe you. by Crashmarik · · Score: 1
    2. Re:I believe her WAY more than I believe you. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Seeing as you still don't know the difference between ice on land and on the sea, I take everything you write with a grain of salt. You posting these trite Google links isn't exactly giving you the air of someone who is in control of their argument...

    3. Re:I believe her WAY more than I believe you. by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Most people like to refer to their victories. Why do you keep bringing up your loses ?

      Do you think that you can magically change the past ?

  16. So these guys are experts on Inet innvoation by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    can they in their own words states what will be destroyed by net neutrality? I bet they don't have a clue unless is simpleton words followed by large money donations.

    Any politician wanting to make huge changes to an industry should be an expert on that industry, other wise WTF are you trying to interferer with it?

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    1. Re:So these guys are experts on Inet innvoation by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      can they in their own words states what will be destroyed by net neutrality? I bet they don't have a clue unless is simpleton words followed by large money donations.

      Any politician wanting to make huge changes to an industry should be an expert on that industry, other wise WTF are you trying to interferer with it?

      Their argument is simple - "It has the word 'Freedom' in it - you aren't against freedom, are you, citizen?"

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  17. oh, oh, i know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    let's all comment on slashdot! that'll make everything better! :D

    FSCKING WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN!

    or just laugh at americans, if you don't happen to be one.

    1. Re:oh, oh, i know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you are enclosing a cheque for more than $100K with your letter, you are wasting your time.

      Congress doesn't care what you little shit-turd peons think. They go where the money is.

  18. RIVA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RIVA = Revoking Internet Freedom Act

  19. does not work by matushorvath · · Score: 2

    "consumers should be driving the market"

    In a country where a limited number of internet providers have a virtual monopoly? How well did it work when it was tried with the phone companies in last century? I'm all for free market, when it works, but in this case it clearly does not. Just look at the prices and compare them with any country with a real internet provider competition if you don't believe.

  20. Yeah, right by Rujiel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even in the presidential race, only one potential candidate out of seven doesn't have friendly ties with the cable and phone industries. Good luck having better odds on the federal legislative level. I'm wondering who all you expect people to vote for on this issue when their choices are shit, since you seem so convinced that it's the voters who are the problem.

    1. Re:Yeah, right by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The voters make the choices in the primaries and can petition for candidates to be put on the ballot. They should try working the system before complaining about it. On most ballots there are more than two choices. Don't blame the system if nobody exercises them.

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    2. Re:Yeah, right by zephvark · · Score: 2

      The voters make the choices between the small selection of dimwits and psychopaths that they're offered. I understand that is not what your high school civics class taught you. Of course, the government probably funded that school.

    3. Re:Yeah, right by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      The voters make the choices between the small selection of dimwits and psychopaths that they're offered.

      Exactly! That's the problem. They wait for the first clown with the flashy suit to be shot out of the cannon. It's the result of strategically voting for the 'lesser evil' side of a monolith. The voters choose the most charming psychopath. The selection is larger than it appears on mass media.

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    4. Re:Yeah, right by danbert8 · · Score: 2

      The voters make the choices in the primaries*

      * well the voters in Iowa, NH, and SC anyway. How many candidates have already dropped out and over 90% of the country hasn't voted yet...

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    5. Re:Yeah, right by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Few of the people I want are running. Am I supposed to blame the system for that? We can still write them in.

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    6. Re:Yeah, right by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      More like the donors make the choices - the reason candidates drop is because the funding dries up after the donor class sees which way the wind is blowing in New Hampshire and South Carolina.

      It's very interesting that Bernie is continuing on, as he's not dependent on the donor class.

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    7. Re:Yeah, right by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      It's very interesting that Bernie is continuing on, as he's not dependent on the donor class.

      The party wants him to keep running. It keeps the focus from drifting to alternative candidates. He's a sheepdog, corralling a ton of 'lefty' money into the coffers that goes to Hillary when he does drop out, but he's in it until the convention as long as he can keep party cash registers full.

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  21. Trough love by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Snouts in the trough boys, there you go, tuck in. Makes me proud to be not American.

  22. IPv6's P2P encryption by JesseEnjaian · · Score: 1

    The Internet needs P2P encryption at the link-layer. When more than the sender and receiver can read a message in a network it creates a financially exploitable imbalance of power in routing. Major routers can inspect content and shape traffic in IPv4. The fact that AT&T can look at what I look at on the Internet and prevent me from seeing things their CEOs disagree with is absolutely terrifying and a relic of IPv4. The Internet may very well need legal regulation in areas (e.g., FCC could enforce business licenses for Internet business), but it shouldn't be regulated at the transmission. Regulate where the content is stored, who sent it, those who access it, those who promulgate it, etc.

  23. Re:Related Stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It looks like your related stories section cut off the full titles of those articles. Here you go:

    10 Confirmed Dead In Shooting at Oregon's Umpqua Community College...After Net Neutrality Implemented on Campus Network
    Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage To $15 an Hour...Due to Rising Costs from New Net Neutrality Rules
    Yelp Employee Posts Open Letter About Cost Of Living And Low Wages, Gets Fired...For Demanding Net Neutral Comments Section
    How To Execute People In the 21st Century...By Taking Away Their Bandwidth with Net Neutrality
    Writer: "Why I Defaulted On My Student Loans"...Because Net Neutrality Stopped My Bank Payments

  24. Wake me when 2016 is over by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Man, it seems like every Slashdot discussion thread lately has almost immediately devolved into a Democat versus Republican bash-fest. I realize this story is about what a couple Republican senators did; but can't you guys manage to discuss any issue without turning your brains completely off?

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    1. Re:Wake me when 2016 is over by fnj · · Score: 1

      Man, it seems like every Slashdot discussion thread lately has almost immediately devolved into a Democat versus Republican bash-fest.

      Without regard to that, this story was a political submission, so OF COURSE there is political discussion in the comments. Now, it is a truism that one man's discussion is another man's bash-fest.

      More to the point, this is a year evenly divisible by 4. I would have thought you would grasp by now that reasoning runs way behind rage on years that are evenly divisible by 4.

  25. The only hope by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's easy to fall into hoping that that the fascist buffoon Trump doesn't win the candidacy. But then when you get reminded of the policies of the rest of them, you realise there is no good alternative there.

    The only real hope is that the Democrats win the presidency again.

    Let's recall the summer of 2008, when Obama flip-flopped on telecom immunity, got more campaign contributions from the telecoms, was able to spend more on campaigning, and was able to win the presidency.

    If the leader of your party can be that blatant, why should *anyone* vote for them?

    You are falling into the false dilemma of R versus D. The real dilemma is "us" versus "them", or "people" versus the "elites".

    The people are on one end of a long spectrum of political issues, and both the Republicans and Democrats are on the other. Arguing that D is better than R is pointless, neither represents the interests of the people.

    Extreme rhetoric, which is what you're using (viz: fascist buffoon), is only relevant to that distant end of the spectrum. The elites make more or less contributions, depending on how much extreme rhetoric gets aimed at any candidate.

    It's a game that only mainstream politicians play.

    Both Donald and Bernie have populist views, their political positions would benefit the people.

    Bernie is a mainstream politician, and is somewhat dependent on contributions from the elites. If he can overcome that burden and win the nomination, then he'd be one candidate to back.

    Donald needs *no* contributions from the elites, so he's free to promise benefits to the people.

    Right now Donald is our best hope for getting government on our side. He's not the only hope, Bernie is still in the game, but there's no hope in any of the other choices.

    Or, to quote Charles Koch: "You’d Think We Could Have More Influence’ on 2016 Race".

  26. Extreme rhetoric = clickbait by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    Trump is the worst possible president you could possibly imagine, [...]

    It sounds like you are exaggerating. Was that your intent?

    One thing many people have learned is that extreme rhetoric is baseless - it's clickbait to get people to read a particular news story.

    While a newspaper can be excused for trying to attract readership, when "some random dude on the internet" does it it's 'kind of meaningless.

    You know?

    Instead, why don't you pick one of his positions and explain why it is a bad idea? Enforcing immigration law, or revamping the tax code for instance.

    1. Re:Extreme rhetoric = clickbait by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      It's far easier to say he is racist for wanting to enforce current current immigration laws and take out of context quotes.

    2. Re:Extreme rhetoric = clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is so much wrong with Trump that it is usually just easier to call him an idiot. If people are going to take the time to list all his flaws every time, the world wouldn't do anything else.

      I'll give you 2 low-hanging fruits:

      (1) He's a liar. (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/) You might say the other candidates also lie, but no one does it as effortlessly as Trump. Rubio, Cruz and Hillary, as insane as it might sound, are actually trustworthy when compared to this character. By the way, PolitiFact does fact checking and each rated statement has a long write-up accompanying it.

      (2) Trump is running as a successful businessman, but he has bankrupt his own companies 4 times: (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-filed-bankruptcy-times/story?id=13419250) and (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/21/carly-fiorina/trumps-four-bankruptcies/). He's can't even successfully manage his own personal enterprises, where his money and reputation are both on the line. How do you suppose this will end for the rest of us?

      Again, these are the 2 low-hanging fruits, and they are are, of course, examples of what is wrong with him. The problem with trying to attack his policies is that he doesn't have any. Everything he's said to-date is vague. He hasn't presented a cohesive plan. As a businessman, he should know in order to get a loan from investors you will need a good business plan. He do not present one, he just spouts off some incoherent sentences with keywords that rile people's emotions that particular week and everyone cheers.

    3. Re:Extreme rhetoric = clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your items only suggest that he is a better politician than almost everyone in congress. Why not go with the better one?

      Measuring without ratios is a great way to create propaganda, but a poor way to analyze things. How about a ratio of successes & failures, and do the same with the other candidates?

  27. Extreme rhetoric = clickbait by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    Man, it seems like every Slashdot discussion thread lately has almost immediately devolved into a Democat versus Republican bash-fest. I realize this story is about what a couple Republican senators did; but can't you guys manage to discuss any issue without turning your brains completely off?

    Extreme rhetoric is the new clickbait.

  28. Strangely, this topic was relevent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate politics on slashdot, but legislative action on Net Neutrality is a legit topic....

  29. turn-about is fair play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's your proof that all the new government "net neutrality" regs have had ANY positive impact? Sure, you imagined all sorts of badness that would happen without those regs, and now might claim the absence of the badness as evidence.... but I could as easily prove I stopped the moon crashing into the Earth last month by eating a ham sandwich. i.e. Predicting doom if X is not done, then doing X and not experiencing the doom, is no proof whatsoever that doom and X are in any way connected.

    The simple fact is that the internet arose and grew to what it is WITHOUT inviting the federal government in to hyper-regulate it. It was NOT under any "net neutrality" rules as it became the net we all embraced. Now that the left got its way and injected the federal government (and therefore, by definition, partisan politics) into the control of the internet, politicians across the political spectrum will free to impose their particular preferences on it in every election cycle and those in power will feel free to use their pens and phones to assert whatever control they and their campaign contributors like. You all are gonna love the regulations a president Trump or president Cruz puts in place right??? Oh, I see... you just assume you will ALWAYS have a president you like.... good luck with that.

    "Net neutrality" is a political slogan, like "universal healthcare" and "comprehensive immigration reform" that is meant to convey to a broad spectrum of stupid, ignorant and foolish people everything good they imagine it means while actually being a front for the things certain political activists and lobbyists actually want. It's very much like "universal healthcare" convinced stupid idiots to support the so-called affordable care act which stripped millions of people of their health insurance and forced everybody (by federal law) in the country to buy a commercial product from the companies who lobbied for the legislation (the richer-than-ever health insurance mega corps) in addition to doing something never before done in the US: making it illegal to buy health insurance in the summer months unless you can prove certain changes in your life.

    With every new Lawrence-Lessig/Robert Reich style "reform" the people of the United States lose more freedom and economic growth slows further. We have just completed 10 years without ANY period of > 3% growth. Fore reference: after President Reagan's first budget kicked-in, growth was nearly 8% and it never dropped back below 3% the entire time he was in office - and HE inherited a FAR worse economy than Obama did (Reagan inherited double-digit unemployment, double-digit inflation, double-digit interest rates, and at that time all the mainstream press were echoing the Jimmy Carter line that the world had become too complex for any one person to manage as President).

    1. Re: turn-about is fair play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Look, dumbass: your definition of freedom is getting old. The freedom to work for less and less, to have declining personal wealth, to not have health care, to have corporations steal pensions, to live in a national security state and to have corporations have more rights than humans is the legacy of conservative economics which have failed every single time they've ever been tried in all of history. Right wing supply side economics have ruined every nation they've ever been imposed on. They have a zero percent success rate, so much so that the US has to impose them by force of arms overseas, to the ruination of every society so targeted. Now it's coming hike to roost here. It took longer because this is a rich nation, but it's happening right now and the likes of you need someone to blame for your utter failures.

      The economic problems of the 70s were largely due to spending on the Vietnam War which was unaccompanied by requisite taxes to pay for it. The bills came due and voila, instant economic crisis. Same thing with W's off budget illegal wars as well, and similar timing too. He'd have done anything to have his wars except actually make people pay for them as we went because that might have started some unpopular questioning.

      As to Reagan's 'growth', well I'd live pretty well if I went out and borrowed a ton of money too. Heck, Dick Cheney would later say 'deficits don't matter'. He should have added 'until a Democrat is in office and then we'll scream about it' because that's what the morally and intellectually bankrupt ideology and economics of modern conservatism require.

    2. Re:turn-about is fair play... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Net neutrality is like dictating that public roads is open to everyone.

      Without net neutrality it's like having different speed limits and restrictions depending on which brand of car you use.

    3. Re:turn-about is fair play... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Net neutrality is like dictating that public roads is open to everyone.

      Without net neutrality it's like having different speed limits and restrictions depending on which brand of car you use.

      Also having to pay the owner of every road you go down. The quicker you want to go the more you gotta pay.

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    4. Re:turn-about is fair play... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Strangely, that argument actually makes sense for roads, where it makes no sense for the Internet. It's been shown that usage fees are a far superior model for road maintenance, and it's also been shown that the higher the speed, the more damage done to the road.

      Of course, back on topic - electrical signals, or pulses of light do virtually no damage to the equipment they are passing through, so that argument doesn't hold weight.

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    5. Re:turn-about is fair play... by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I-90 between Erie and Buffalo NY isn't so great...
      And there are some toll-roads in KS (I can't remember the numbers, but going from KC to Wichita, for example) which aren't so hot either...
      And that one between Chicago and Detroit (actually, I think that's just a different section of I-90)...
      And some of the toll-roads in Italy are a bit bumpier than I'd like.

      Meanwhile, many of the autobahns I've driven on (mostly in south Germany, between for example Heidelberg and Munich) are toll-free, partially speed-limit free and seem pretty well maintained, all things considered.

      And this is just in the last few months.

      But that could just be the Germans for you.

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    6. Re:turn-about is fair play... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Well, roads in Ohio are complete shit, including the toll section of I-90. I'm not saying that all toll roads are fantastic, because there's always the problem of terrible management.

      I am, however, saying that the idea of usage fees paying for maintenance is just the most fair way to go - if you use more, you pay more. And I will say that the Pennsylvania Turnpike, as well as Florida's Turnpike are fantastic roads, with service stops completely furnished and maintained with usage fees.

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    7. Re:turn-about is fair play... by mgcarley · · Score: 1

      So, based on our combined experiences it might even be fair to say that quality is about the same (roughly, broadly speaking) whether public or private/toll.

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  30. You dont like them because the don't represent you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None of the candidates represent you, and for good reason: you can't do anything to help them win. Sure you can vote, but your solitary vote is a tiny drop in an enormous bucket. Your vote isn't worth their effort.

    Their corporate backers, however, can hugely further their political agenda (and their get-rich agenda), and can also use their influence to help the candidate win lots of votes.

    So, they represent the people who can do something for them. You will never be in that group. If you ever feel like there is a candidate that is actually promising what you want (and has a prayer of winning) your alarm bells should go off: somehow that candidate managed to get his lies past your bullshit detector.

    That's reality for ya.

  31. Why are people in love with the FCC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't understand why most people seem to think the FCC is the savior of the internet. For years they've been fucking with Telecoms, effectively regulating them out of business. Years after regulating the Telecoms, they are still heavily monopolized by a few companies. This is the same agency that routinely sensors television and has on multiple occasions attempted to sensor political speech. Since they "saved the internet" last year, they have done nothing. They have officially stated that they don't know what they are doing and are going to take a "wait-and-see" approach. Nothing is better for an economy than hanging a blade over it's neck, and introducing massive amounts of unpredictability. Let's not forget that if the FCC were to fully implement Title II, it would come with massive new taxes on ISPs. The internet managed to do pretty damn well without government meddling for years. The FCC is creating needless cost and bureaucracy which will discourage and prevent new start-ups from trying to get into the industry. All of this is coming at a time when our internet back-bone is getting rebuilt and satellite, cellphone data, and wimax are about to create real options and competition with the more incumbent providers. The government needs to stay the fuck out of the way. ISP's already starting to cope with the FCC control by creating shitty general offering that don't do proper packet shaping, and then creating highly expensive "Business" tier classes for people who need real internet.

  32. Restoring Internet Freedom Act by Edis+Krad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Holy shit, that newspeak.

  33. Or, try being an AMERICAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You would not CARE who was elected president if the federal government was obeying the intent of the founders and was not involved in 90% of what affected your life. A federal government only worried about [1] international diplomacy, [2] national defense, [3] keeping the flow of trade between the states regular, and [4] running the federal courts, patents, copyrights, and trademarks systems is a government that mostly leaves you alone to live you life, and innovate in your business activities. When you put the government into everything, you put politicians into everything, and then they become a critical element of your life (and THEY and particularly their FUNDERS love you and thank you for foolishly doing it and making them rich and powerful)

    Next time you are tempted to tune in to see what those crazy kardashians are up to, try READING at least a smidgen of what our founders risked their lives and "sacred honor" to achieve and bequeath to you as a precious inheritance - something called FREEDOM and LIBERTY.

  34. Chris Stevens was her employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets ask Chris Stevens what he thinks of her. Thats right, he is dead after asking for increased security over 600 times and being ignored. On top of that she lied to his family about why he was killed blaming it on a YouTube video.

    What you claim is false. She lies when things get tough and ignores real problems that require real work to solve.

  35. Qhy dont they build thier own internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. and let the market decide.. I know which way I'd be going... to a neutral internet.

  36. You keep using that word "fascist"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do not think it means what you think it means. (nod to Inigo Montoya)

    Contrary to what some unionized Democrat activist high school teacher, or drug-addled former hippie college professor taught you, a "Fascist" is NOT "anybody who disagrees with me".

    Fascism arose under Benito Mussolini, the Italian Socialist dictator and then-leader of the Italian Socialist party. It was later adopted by Hitler, the leader of the National Socialist German Worker's party. These are the sort of dude Bernie Sanders would happily hang-out with if that whole World War II thing had not happened and tarnished their names. Unlike the more-pure Marxist ideologies of Communism and Socialism which sought varying levels of public ownership and/or control of everything, the fascists were perfectly happy to leave private citizens and businesses pretend to own stuff. Fascists simply seek to control these things with one layer of indirection by controlling the people and companies who think of themselves as the owners. It's indirect socialism with a veneer of private property.... and thus the modern progressives on the Left like Hillary are more precisely Fascists than anybody on the Right in the US has ever been. There's nothing surprising in the idea that Socialism, Communism and Mutant/Indirect Socialism (Fascism) are all leftist ideologies. Obama, Bernie, and Hillary are ALL committed to the idea of government having a heavy-handed influence over individuals and industry and redistributing wealth - ALL three are fascist pigs and it makes little difference which of these warped and evil people are in power.

    1. Re:You keep using that word "fascist"... by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Yes, marxism and facism, both words used in a historical context, have many things in common. They both favor a single party state that controls the people, and sees religion as a competition to their ideology. Yes the control includes the economy. After all, its a dictature. The system the chinese are running with having a liberal market connected to a dictature is new. And even there its contradictory, with the state influencing the economy heavily.

      But, marxism and facism have some few notable differences:

      * Facists didn't really like jews. for the nazis, marx was a jew (he wasn't, only son of a jew, but did they care?), and therefore all jews were socialists. So sanders (he is a jew) wouldn't really have hung out with nazis. At least not after the nazis had found out he was a jew.
      * Facists killed socialists, and socialists killed facists. Yes, facists repressed almost every political movement that wasn't facist, but especially socialists.
      * Facists adopted ideas of racism. Socialists did not.
      * Marxism is only an economic model. Facism includes many more things.
      * In many european states Facists were supported by the rich (and mostly noble) establishment. Socialists, well, they really didn't like anybody with money.

      Trump wants a strong border. Facists want this too. Socialists don't care, want an open border in order to unite workers of the world.

      Trump made very racist comments. Facists did too!

      When I said "facist" above, I meant his racist statements. Arguing for a strong border alone doesnt make you a facist.

    2. Re:You keep using that word "fascist"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an important note that racism is not part of the definition of fascism. It's a sign of shoddy academics that so many people now think that fascism includes racism as a component. It's exactly like the link between socialism and racism - there is none. The FACT that Hitler's National Social German Workers Party was officially socialist, AND recognized world-over as fascist, and as racist, does not mean that racism is a characteristic of either fascism or socialism. If one is going to assert that the NAZI example means fascism includes racism, then one must also assert that it means socialism includes racism. I accept neither claim. I believe all three are evil, but do not accept that either socialism or fascism requires racism as a component in its definition.

      As for the argument that NAZIs were anti-Jew and therefore Bernie would not associate with them as fellow socialists.... I agree, NOW and with the context of history and all the atrocities. In the 1930's in Germany however there were a number of German Jewish socialists who DID support the early rise of the NAZIs. They were in the minority of the Jewish population to be sure, but there are always idiots in intellectual circles who are committed to pie-in-the-sky ideologies and who therefore exist in an extreme state of denial about where the things they believe in are leading them. I once read the account of one of these idiots years ago and sadly cannot recall the text to cite it here for your enlightenment; the gentleman in question, as he was sent off to the camps could not comprehend that the system whose rise he had supported was doing this to HIM.

      As for Trump making racist comments (I CAN'T believe I am being forced to defend the guy), you ought to cite the examples IN CONTEXT before making such a charge in a place like the US where such a charge is nearly the worst one can make. Demanding that we end ILLEGAL immigration is NOT "racist". Illegal immigration is already against the law; it's an act, and the perpetrators are to be deported - THAT is the LAW and it is not about skin color. If you can find the Trump quote where he says "deport all Hispanics" THAT would be racist. Islam, by the way, is NOT a race - so his call to stop the influx of Islam into the country until our politicians can figure out what's going on is clearly NOT racial, is SANE, and would only last as long as the incompetence of the political class. In other words, it's only permanent if the politicians are planning to be permanently ignorant and incompetent.

      The Pope has a strong border around Vatican city. Is HE a racist/fascist?

      The President has a strong border around the White House. Is HE a racist/fascist?

      Mexico has a strong southern border and enforces it strictly against anybody it thinks plans to stay in Mexico (the allow through people they think are headed to the USA). Is Mexico racist/fascist?

      Australia and New Zealand have VERY strong border controls. Even Americans cannot get in there to stay without proving they are wealthy enough to never become dependent upon the local taxpayers. Are Australia and New Zealand racist/fascist?

      Why is it that only Americans are presumed to be racists if they want their border secured and the waves of ILLEGAL immigrants stopped? Why is the assumption always made that it's white American rednecks who want the American borders secured, even though it's mostly black and Hispanic US CITIZENS being harmed the worst by the huge push downward in opportunities and wages resulting from all the illegal immigrants?

    3. Re:You keep using that word "fascist"... by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      The FACT that Hitler's National Social German Workers Party was officially socialist, AND recognized world-over as fascist, and as racist, does not mean that racism is a characteristic of either fascism or socialism

      The Nazi party was not socialist. They had common arguments, some of them even taken from socialists/marxists, but no way they were socialists. When they came to power, they still kept the capital in the hands of the rich, not making them state owned. Even the stuff they stole from the jews they killed mostly went to private hands (the flats that the jews owned were sold at a cheap price to families close to the regime, and the slave labor done in the concentration camps benefited privately owned companies). So the Nazis were very capitalist. Yes, they had many "social" programs, but they had no "socialist" ones.

      And about the second part: Facist italy under mussolini, the regime that coined the term facism, was already racist. They thought the italian race was supreme and must colonize north africa. The only difference between racism by mussolini and by other facists was that the racism by other facists was biologically based, and the racism by mussolini was culturally based. Still, both had elements of each other, both were strongly convinced of their supremacy, and discriminated other races.

      Demanding that we end ILLEGAL immigration is NOT "racist"

      I never claimed that him saying that illegal immigration is illegal is something racist by itself. Yes, it will probably affect mostly people of a certain ethnic group, but demanding that the laws of a nation (which aren't discriminatory against people because of their race in any way) to be executed is nothing racist. Having and demanding a strong border is nothing racist.

      But the reasons for why he is demanding such a strong border are very racist. Regarding the mexicans, he says stuff like "most of them are disgusting people" he clearly is racist by the definition. Yes, he mostly speaks about the crime, but the criminals are only few people. Most of the mexicans probably want to abide the law.
      What would you say if somebody said "most americans are disgusting, they favor killing innocents with drones, and torture muslims in guantanamo"?

      Just think what somebody mexican has to endure by "trump supporters". Regardless of whether they actually do disrespect the US laws or not they are under the suspicion of having it broken.

      Its not just racist that trump demands to close the border for all people who have a certain religion only because there is a radical form of it threatening to do terror attacks on the united states. Its also very counter productive. You are victimizing them, and by that you generate more internal support inside the muslim community for the terrorists. Just look at what happens in israel: every time the rules for all muslims get more strict, more people join and support the hesbollah. And even more terror attacks on israelis are performed. This way the extremist sides of both parties of the conflict fuel each other, and they ensure their own survival. Similar effects can be observed with right wing parties and muslim terrorists in europe: the terrorists need the right wing extremists, and the right wings need the terrorists in order to exist.

      Same goes for Trump, if there were no attacks/rapes by mexican illegal immigrants or muslim terrorists at civilians, he couldn't be outraged because of it. And if people like trump wouldn't demand and excercise muslim discrimination the support inside the muslim community for terrorist groups wouldn't be as large. Basically this argument was made by hillary clinton in the last debate, while i hugely dislike her, I fully agree with her about what she said here.

      Australia and New Zealand have VERY strong border controls. Even Americans cannot get in there to stay without proving they are wealthy enough to never become dependent upon the local taxpayers. Ar

  37. Trump business success is a myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't want to defend him (he's racist), but:

    * He is not stupid. Its almost impossible to be stupid and a successful business owner the same time.

    Trump not a successful businessman, but a successful promoter starting with inherited wealth; his companies have gone bankrupt four times. He has, of course, firewalled himself and his personal wealth from those bankruptcies. As a businessman, his record is piss poor: A recent issue of The Economist compared his NYC real estate record with the NYC average; he did much worse.

  38. Consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Consumers should be driving the market

    Little consumers like AT&T?

  39. Oh, please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people LOVE everything devolving into partisan political mud-slinging brawls, otherwise they'd stop foolishly voting for evil politicians who inject the government, and thus partisan political arguments, into everything.

    Small government needs to spend its limited power and resources on the few things it must do (like national defense), and cannot get into everything else (like how the internet runs, what sort of light bulbs you can buy, and how much sugar or alcohol is in what you choose to drink). The citizens notice when small government fails to do something or does something bad.

    Big government involved in everything can easily manipulate the public by figuring out complex sets of issues that they can use to motivate/de-motivate blocks of voters toward various political ends. Big government is able to manipulate millions of things in subtle or large ways to benefit the backers of the political class, and be involved in so much that large swaths of corruption and/or incompetence slide by hardly noticed among the flurry of other activities. Big government loves to fool people into accepting new laws that are over a thousand pages long and which were written by lobbyists, while pretending that the very lawmakers who pretend to have written such monstrocities are somehow blameless because no sane person could be expected to read such a thing before voting on it.

    When the public stops being foolish, it will gradually stop being fooled/manipulated/agitated politically and for the political gain of special interests. Pied pipers who promise to end the hyper-politicization by injecting even more of it into even more of our lives are just counting on the public doubling-down on the foolishness.

  40. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this is their stance, they are clearly in Comcast's pocket, period. Not voting for either of these clowns. :/

  41. FCC is the wrong agency. Give it to the FTC. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    The correct agency for handling Net Neutrality issues is not the FCC. FCC is welcome to set standards on technological issues. But it's subject to regulatory capture and neither empowered, nor competent to handle, issues related to monopolization, bundling, throttling, fast-lane-service, preferential treatment of partners' content, and on and on and on.

    It's the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), under antitrust, unfair competition, consumer fraud, and similar doctrines, that has the mandate, cluefullness, and track record to do this job.

    Remember that it's FTC, not FCC, the broke up Bell (as it broke up Standard Oil) and forced "foreign attachments" onto IBM.

    The FTC doesn't strike often. But when it does it has a DAMN big hammer.

    --
    Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
  42. A whole 6 of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All balls deep in the pocket, why neither of them are fit to run America.

  43. any bill with Freedom in the name by surd1618 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Watch out

  44. Hopes are up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally a sensible proposal form the R team of psychopaths!

  45. industry needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Consumers should be driving the market, and we can help by encouraging innovation, incentivizing investment, and promoting the competitive environment this industry needs."

        "Consumers" are we the people. Beware of politicians using this verbiage. "Consumers" are citizens, and voters. This is fucking new-speak from the shills of industry.
    If all the shit put into law required popular support i.e. full democracy, how would thing be different?
    Citizens are at severe disadvantage visa-vi the corporate world. Rubio and Cruz should take long jump off a short pier.

  46. I'm still voting for one of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Net neutrality is not my biggest concern. #NeverTrump

  47. The middle class is going extinct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The middle class is going extinct. Going by ratios, the rich are less rich than they were 100 years ago. The problem is that middle class jobs have to compete with cheap labor in other countries. If you want a middle class, restore the tariffs that protect the middle class. If you ignore tariffs, let more trade agreements go into effect, such as the TPP, and just play with tax levels, the middle class will disappear. Make sure that you have accurately identified the problem! The us vs. them game that the 2 party system plays is distracting you from the real issues that the corporate donors have created. Look up inverted totalitarianism & managed democracy.

  48. Killing net neutrality is anti-competitive by ajyand · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Killing net neutrality will give well established businesses an edge over the new entrants thus leading to anti-competitive practices. An obnoxious form of monopoly is sure to follow the death of neutrality. Does it require a PhD to understand that?

  49. Excuse me ? by aepervius · · Score: 1

    You are expecting a rich guy which profited from the system to turn coat ? What is this ? Fairyland ?

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    1. Re:Excuse me ? by swb · · Score: 1

      You are expecting a rich guy which profited from the system to turn coat ? What is this ? Fairyland ?

      You could take a different perspective and assume that Trump is already rich, the kind of rich where you can have a 737 with your name painted on the side, so he's actually less corruptible by money. Most politicians aren't rich and are corruptible by political donations, speaking fees, donations to their personal foundations, low-interest loans, paid for junkets to far off places, etc. For them rich is aspirational and politics is the way to achieve that. Trump doesn't need your money and he might already have more than you do.

      Further, you could argue that because Trump is already rich and his business involves the highly regulated world of real estate development, he's all too familiar with the ways that politicians and policies can be bought and paid for. He said as much in the first debate, and it would have been genius for him to pull cancelled checks out of his pocket during that debate and wave them in the air.

      I guess I don't think of Trump as being swayed by making more money or using the office as a means of defending the moneyed classes.

    2. Re:Excuse me ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should vote for the guy that your media demonizes, because your media is utterly corrupt. And the fact that your media has an extremely left-wing bias should warn you about which party is the one you should avoid the most. Your "comedians" are extremely rich guys telling "sheeple" like you what party you should vote, because that's the way you get the most profit in "Game's theory", when the other player blindly believes that the moves you suggest are the best ones for him or her.

      The mafia industry insults Donald Trump because he can actually deprive them of their status quo of total monopoly over public opinion. If not, they would simply ignore and silence him. That's why your newspapers also demonize the Gamergate movement, because they are making people aware of the constant manipulation you are subject to every day.

  50. Screwing with peoples' TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have always thought that true revolt won't come to the US until they actually screw with peoples' TV, and it looks like these guys are looking to do just that! I actually welcome this move as perhaps the pivot point that will cause some Americans to get off the couch, pay attention and vote based upon something other than just who has the most yard signs.

  51. Re:Ah, the Left, always the home of racism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah thanks for your opinion but there is one gaping flaw in your rant, I'm not a Democrat. In fact, I'm not affiliated with any political gang because the world isn't black and white and I can think for myself.

    I bet you feel pretty stupid now.

  52. Net Neutrality is being done wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Worth remembering that except for a few highly suspect examples, there isn't much evidence to prove that ISPs are favoring one content provider over another. It also glosses over sticky subjects such as transit traffic and peering between providers. It's also worth remembering that the internet has gotten to where it is today with essentially kid gloves when it comes to regulation.

    Network management is hard, and expensive, to do right. IMO, the right way to fix the problem is to: split content providers from service providers, and break the exclusive franchise agreements that grant monopoly access to one provider in municipalities. Then the market can decide.

  53. Re:Ah, the Left, always the home of racism by Crowd+Computing · · Score: 2

    The Democrats owned all the black slaves, started the KKK, racially segregated the government [etc]

    The first part of your rant might all be true. I'm too lazy to review my US history, so let's assume that it is. But you should be aware that the Democratic party of Lincoln's time is a different donkey from the Democratic party of today. Parties aren't static entities, especially those with a longer apparent history than the parties of Lenin and Mao. They're made of people, and their ideological orientation could flip-flop like the poles or a bisexual in search of love.

  54. just another monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corporate profits over the rights of the individual, just another monday in the land of the brave.

  55. "Burdonsome regulation"? by whitroth · · Score: 1

    Absolutely - are you trying to interfere with every 'Net CEO's God (tm) given right to screw all the rest of us to the wall, and charge more than the market can bear?

    All these complaints about regulation... first, why were they passed originally? Just *possibly* because the wealthy and companies were so busy screwing us that we, the people, decided to do something about it?

    And how is that different than some mob boss, complaining, as he's arrested and led away, about government regulation interfering with an "honest" businessman?

                          mark "there are two kinds of Republicans and Libertarians: millionaires, and suckers"

  56. The first step towards the Trans-Pacific Partners. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Net neutrality was the first step towards the TPP.
    Which the TPP has very little to do with trade, and more to do with copyright laws after the TPP was introduced by Hollywood.
    Hollywood want the US government and other governments that don't have control of the Internet to stop copyright in-figment.
    But what they didn't tell you that anyone can use the TPP agreement to stop your 1st amendment right(if you live in the US) at anytime, and you would have to go through a UN court to get them back(good luck with that).
    That is why Hollywood wanted net neutrality, and even made commercials saying how net neutrality pooped rainbows.

  57. Doublethink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oceania has always been at war with East Asia. Big Brother loves us!

  58. Re: The only hope / Carolla op-ed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But an eloquent speaker who so far hasn't actually shown any concrete plans on how he plans to guide america.

    In what universe is Donald Trump considered an "eloquent speaker"? Please provide some evidence, in the form of transcript or links to video, that shows Donald Trump speaking eloquently.

    Adam Carolla --- who, Slashdotters will remember, fought against the patent troll Personal Audio ("Adam Carolla Joins Fight Against Podcast Patent Troll" March 25, 2014, at http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/03/25/1222210/adam-carolla-joins-fight-against-podcast-patent-troll ) -- has an interesting conversation with Dr. Drew regarding Donald Trump about this very issue:

    {
    Title: "Adam Carolla & Dr. Drew: Donald Trump"
    Published on: November 15, 2015
    Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG8QX5SEtMU
    View Count: 20, 938

    (More specifically at 4 minutes and 16 seconds (https://youtu.be/HG8QX5SEtMU?t=4m16s ) Carolla specifically addresses the "eloquence" issue, but the entire video post is interesting)
    }

    Likewise, an interesting clip from 1988 (twenty eight years ago) with talk show host Oprah Winfrey:

    {
    Title: "Donald Tump Teases 1988 oprah Show | The Oprah Winfrey Show|OWN"
    Published on: June 25, 2015
    Posted by: OWN
    LInk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI
    View Count: 1,381,174
    }

    Compare with Trump sitting with the Chicago Tribune editorial board:

    {
    Title: Donald Tump discuses Presidential run with Tribune editorial board
    Published: June 29, 2015
    Posted by : Chicago Tribune
    Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m91vEm9kAsY
    View Count:: 201,764

    Oh, and "News for Nerds": There's eye candy in that video at 4 minutes and 20 seconds (https://youtu.be/m91vEm9kAsY?t=4m20s).
    }

    Those View Counts look low. Maybe the "Slashdot effect" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot_effect) is impotent ?

  59. Why the fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does slashdot continue to delete comments.. the previous one had no swearing and was a thoughtful post on this issue. IM completely gobsmacked at how shit this forum has become. the fucking mods are absolute cunts. fuck you.

  60. That's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who are for net neutrality are usually also into green energy/global warming/carbon paranoia.

    Tell me: If you think people who generate more carbon should pay more (with things like carbon taxes, cap & trade schemes, added taxes and regulations on things like coal, etc) the precisely what could possibly be wrong with people who use more internet bandwidth and demand quicker data transport paying more? And furthermore, these people using more internet-related resources also just happen to be consuming more electricity.

  61. Luckily . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Luckily, neither one seems to be likely to become President.

  62. Garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The GOP did NOT absorb the racists of the south. I am sure the Democrats who taught you in high school shoved that down your noodle and hoped you would not think it through.... nearly all school teachers in the USA are require to join the Democrat-run national teachers' unions as a condition of their employment.

    Do you REALLY believe that those racist hicks were so angry over the passage of the civil rights and voting acts of the LBJ administration that they joined the Republican party (the one that slaughtered all their grandpappies and "stole" their slaves) and the party that had just provided the votes needed in congress to pass those laws, given that not enough Democrats in congress had been willing to provide the votes needed???????? Nixon's "southern strategy" took advantage of the fact that in the late 1960's young democrats were rioting across the country, spitting on soldiers, publicly flaunting laws about drug use and public sexual activity, burning American flags, bombing and burning government buildings, etc and many decent southerners were repelled by what was happening on the Democrat side.

    What IS true is that the "Party of Lincoln" has been awful since 1989 when the Bush family handed it over to their friends on Wall Street and converted it into the old Whig party of the 1850's which Lincoln's Republican party had replaced. Under Reagan, the GOP was for a very strong military AS A DETERRENT and not in favor of international "nation building" wars. Under Reagan, the GOP was for a strong middle class and Reagan even won support of several large labor unions (though obviously NOT the air traffic controllers who he fired after they waged an illegal strike). Reagan was for a strong border and only signed a bill providing amnesty to approx 4 million illegal aliens as part of a one-time-only deal with Democrats to solve the problem of the illegals already here in exchange for sealing the border permanently - a deal Democrats broke. Under the Bush-family era ALL of these Reagan-era GOP positions were flipped. THAT is why there is a civil war under way in the GOP today. The Bushie "establishment" Republicans are cravenly-dedicated to doing every bad thing wall street and a couple of globalist think tanks tell them to do, in exchange for campaign cash. They are as happy to import cheap illegal alien workers as the Democrats are to import easy illegal immigrant future-Democrat-voters. The base of the party is disgusted by them and their broken promises and delusional foreign policy and trade preferences.

  63. um by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every item I listed was true and you can easily verity it.

    As for that all being in the past:

    1. KKK Klansman (and total dirt-bag) Robert Byrd was top Senate Majority leader (elected to that role by all the Democrats in the Senate) until 2010. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders voted for him to have that role and power. (Bernie likes to claim to be "not a Democrat" but he always provides his vote for them when they need his vote to have control as they did at that time). As always for Democrats, "the ends justify the means". It may seem odd that Obama would have supported a Klansman, but remember: his American mom descended from white slave OWNERS and his dad was an African - there is NO black American slave history in his family tree.

    2. The Democrats allocate tickets to their conventions using a racial quota system, which they have often bragged about, to make sure that on the television coverage in presidential years their party "looks like America"

    3. The Democrats of the 1700s tried to have cheap, largely illiterate imported workers AND tried to count them as voters for the purpose of poltitcal power in congress while not actually providing those workers and political power. THAT is why the Constitution counts slaves as 3/5ths of a person (and ONLY for computing seats in Congress). Today's Democrats are still at it: They are importing cheap third-world and largely-illiterate workers into the country to help their rich slave owner class, and also trying to use those imported populations for political power. There is no change. Oh, and for clarity:

    "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons." - The U.S. Constitution. Note: it NEVER says "blacks" count as only 3/5ths...the clause only applied to slaves OF ANY COLOR and NEVER applied to free blacks in the non-slave states.

    Donkeys never change, they just fool younger generations particularly when they are taught history by Democrat teachers.

    The Republicans get MANY things wrong, but they have NEVER from their founding at the time of Lincoln until now had racial quotas. Indeed, they are continually attacked for not doing a better job of "reaching out" to various "groups" based on skin color. The GOP has difficulty playing the skin color game precisely because so many conservatives find the notion of grouping people by skin color repulsive. I for one find the concept disgusting and would never vote for the GOP candidate if he followed the DNC candidate down that path.

  64. We'll be happy to remember that the next time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you smug, superior Euros who are always scolding us for "simplistically" thinking there are such things as "good" and evil" and for having a "cowboy" attitude come begging us to send millions of our soldiers and huge pules of our national resources to hit the beach in Europe and save you from another of your massively-evil tyrants - whose rise your intellectuals and peaceniks often are guilty of cultivating.

    My family donated more than our quota of blood in the 20th century on the beaches, in the fields, and over the cities of Europe doing for you and yours what you should have done for yourselves. Next time you guys let some German leader go crazy (actually, something you seem to be doing again right now with a civilized veneer on an East German haus frau) try asking the French to save you.... oh, wait, they're just experts at waving a white flag and then demanding to lead the victory parades later after the Americans, Canadians, and Brits save their bacon

  65. What thawing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The commie government in Cuba has improved NOTHING. They're still jailing people for thinking or saying the wrong things. They have not released the political prisoners they promised to release. They have not handed-over any of the American criminal fugitives they have harbored for decades. They are not allowing private business - any business activity flows through the Castro government which harvests the hard cash.

    The only "thawing" that has occurred is between the ears of president Obama, where the result has clearly become mush

  66. Re: "Destroying innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    at least 'little marco' hasn't [yet] said that net neutrality "wet it's pants".