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Netflix's US Catalog Has Shrunk by More Than 2,500 Titles in Less Than 2.5 Years

According to a report on AllFlicks, a website that lists and categorizes Netflix content, the streaming service's library for American subscribers has shrunk by a third since 2014. The report claims that in March 2014, the US Netflix library consisted of about 6,500 movies and 1,600 television shows. As of this month, the same library offers 4,330 movies and 1,200 TV shows. An article on Quartz explains the shrinkage: The reason is that securing international streaming rights to shows and movies is exceedingly difficult -- laws and regulations differ by country, as does the type of content that people around the world consume. Netflix hopes that its library in other countries will eventually rival its comprehensive selection in the US.

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  1. Fine Tuning by TylerJWhit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All this tells me is that Netflix has looked at what people actually watch or want to watch and have lessened everything else. Furthermore, the real question is, how many titles do they have in their current catalog. How much of a percentage is 2,500 titles.

    1. Re:Fine Tuning by TylerJWhit · · Score: 0

      OK so I missed the fact that it specified a third. Still, it seems to be natural if they can target what people are interested in.

    2. Re:Fine Tuning by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      All this tells me is that Netflix has looked at what people actually watch or want to watch and have lessened everything else.

      Isn't that how cable TV became the wasteland it is today? Only pushing programming that was extremely popular, reaching for the easy money, and shelving anything more innovative that might be a gamble or only appeal to a niche audience?

      What's Netflix's excuse for doing it? It's not like they have a limited airtime to divvy up and make money on. The shows are just data on a hard disk somewhere and will be there to chase the long tail and give them more content to count in their marketing.

    3. Re:Fine Tuning by Maritz · · Score: 2

      It seems unlikely that an entire third of their catalogue is of interest to no-one. Not that some of it isn't shit - I get that. But people watch shit (citation? Kardashians).

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    4. Re:Fine Tuning by Verdatum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The distributors of the film licenses have realized that streaming is pretty much their entire market these days. So they've learned that they should be asking for more money from them in order to stay afloat. Depending on the license agreement, Netflix will either pay a negotiated flat-rate to have unlimited streaming rights, a fee per view, or a combination of the two. But it's very rarely going to just be a fee per view. So when Netflix' license to a movie ends, they have to think long and hard before deciding to relicense it, if they are given the opportunity at all. Now that there's competition from Amazon, Hulu, and Google Play, the licensing company may very well have already promised the next time chunk to someone else.

    5. Re:Fine Tuning by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's pretty clear that Netflix's vision in the long run is to essentially become a television network on its own. I expect that while the actual number of titles will fall, the number of first run series will rise.

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    6. Re:Fine Tuning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IIRC, it was a deal with 'Starz' to sub-license all of the movies they had rights to for cable, that ended and took a large selection of movies away from netflix in 2014 or 2015.

    7. Re:Fine Tuning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that how cable TV became the wasteland it is today?

      Um, what?

      I know that its cool to hate on TV, but this is generally considered a golden age of cable TV. Broadcast TV is something else (it sucks), but the general consensus is that there are a huge number of reasonable TV shows out there right now.

      For example, let's just do sci-fi/fantasy shows. Off the top of my head, I'd list Game of Thrones, Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, The Expanse, The Magicians, Mr. Robot, Colony, Orphan Black, Penny Dreadful, Walking Dead (plus spinoff). I suppose the BBC shows are kind of cheating? This isn't even counting the campier shows which are non terrible like Dark Matter or the streaming content from Amazon/Netflix.

      Cable is actually doing more and more niche stuff and being able to profit from it. From oddball comedies like Louis to a long list of pretty good dramas. Yeah, there is a lot of crap just because there is so much airtime to fill. And because a lot of people like to watch redneck reality shows apparently. But there is more quality stuff on cable TV than ever before too (although I will admit that I wish there was more black skies sci fi...).

    8. Re:Fine Tuning by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Eh, half the loss was probably Starz pulling out. It is probably more closely related to the fact that other content providers are coming online and many of the content creators have ties to them so no more selling your content to Netflix for a super reasonable price. Netflix's long-term strategy is going to be original content anyway. Even now if you ask people what they have watched that they enjoyed most on Netflix it is likely to be the original content.

    9. Re:Fine Tuning by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, the real question is, how many titles do they have in their current catalog. How much of a percentage is 2,500 titles.

      Your answer is in the article summary::

      ...has shrunk by a third since 2014. The report claims that in March 2014, the US Netflix library consisted of about 6,500 movies and 1,600 television shows.

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    10. Re:Fine Tuning by jittles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's pretty clear that Netflix's vision in the long run is to essentially become a television network on its own. I expect that while the actual number of titles will fall, the number of first run series will rise.

      I think that became the case when Netflix realized that they are completely at the mercy of the content holders and that they would eventually be displaced by the content holders themselves some day.

    11. Re:Fine Tuning by TylerJWhit · · Score: 1

      If you read my reply, I corrected that comment.

    12. Re:Fine Tuning by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only counterpoint I have to that is that judging by the way content holders have rolled out streaming thus far, that day is far off.

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    13. Re:Fine Tuning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's a demand curve trusim, sometimes referred to as the short-tail/long-tail or 80/20 rule: 80% of consumers want 20% of the goods (the short tail), while 20% of consumers want to make paltry selections out of the other 80% of the goods. Brick-and-mortar shops (i.e. grocery stores) cater to the 80% that choose from the smaller selection, because the inventory fits nicely into a store and moves off the shelf quickly. Internet shops (i.e. Amazon) are able to warehouse centrally and ship by post the lower-demand (long tail) merchandise. The "rule" is really a curve, and every business finds its own place on the curve: Amazon actually ships some pretty popular stuff (like textbooks to college students) while some brick-and-mortar stores specialize in hard-to-find items (used/rare bookstores in college towns).

      Netflix is testing the curve to find an optimization of cost (licensing) and revenue (attracting/keeping subscribers), and it looks like they're finding that customers will tolerate losing a lot of the curve.

    14. Re:Fine Tuning by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      This gets me wondering where you go legally for the less popular stuff? Discs may be a dying breed, but they still seem the best place, beyond the unofficial sources.

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    15. Re:Fine Tuning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems unlikely that an entire third of their catalogue is of interest to no-one. Not that some of it isn't shit - I get that. But people watch shit (citation? Kardashians).

      The two-thirds remaining is where most of the shit is. Most of the one third that's gone was non-shitty.

    16. Re:Fine Tuning by RatBastard · · Score: 1

      Except that the movies I can no longer find are popular and the crap I can't escape is third-rate shovelware crap.

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    17. Re:Fine Tuning by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Informative

      One major contributor to the shrinkage was the BBC, who yanked a lot of stuff recently. Forget Dr. Who. He's gone, both old and new.

    18. Re:Fine Tuning by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Something is fundamentally wrong with modern capitalism if selling to only one vendor, instead of all vendors, is more profitable.

    19. Re:Fine Tuning by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Netflix is testing the curve to find an optimization of cost (licensing) and revenue (attracting/keeping subscribers), and it looks like they're finding that customers will tolerate losing a lot of the curve.

      Which means that they're licensing deal sucks. They should negotiate licenses based on the number of times that titles are actually viewed, so that it doesn't cost them anything to host titles with low popularity.

    20. Re:Fine Tuning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It should be obvious if you look at what capitalism espouses and how the real world works that many things are fundamentally wrong with capitalism, this isn't really a criticism of capitalism per se, with some government regulation to ensure companies play fair, it can work reasonably well in many cases, though there are some markets it really isn't suitable for.

      Due to the nature of TV shows/movies, they aren't perfectly fungible products, that makes the capitalist model not work so well with the way the current distribution networks are structured.

    21. Re:Fine Tuning by Falos · · Score: 2

      While this sounds like whiny bitchy hyperbole, it's worth remembering that garbage will naturally be easier to retain in a catalog, it won't take premium negotiating to get/keep rights to it.

    22. Re:Fine Tuning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are licensing deal sucks?

    23. Re:Fine Tuning by rfengr · · Score: 2

      Just torrent it. Original 26 years is only 250 GB.

    24. Re:Fine Tuning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea right it is hard as hell to find something to watch anymore

    25. Re:Fine Tuning by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Isn't that how cable TV became the wasteland it is today? Only pushing programming that was extremely popular, reaching for the easy money, and shelving anything more innovative that might be a gamble or only appeal to a niche audience?

      You're not looking hard enough, then. If you really want entertainment, or informative things, there's PLENTY out there. Heck, just on the broadcast channels, I record way more than I can watch (partly so I have new stuff all through summer).

    26. Re:Fine Tuning by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Early on it was easier to license stuff for streaming. Then the content owners started seeing a shift away from traditional cable towards streaming and were annoyed/surprised/jealous. When the content came up for relicensing again the content owners negotiated much more strongly.

      For example, some stations didn't want to give any streaming rights for anything they had because they had a plan to do their own streaming in the future (like CBS with it's mindblowingly stupid streaming; 5 episodes for free or if you subscribe and pay money you can see *7* episodes!). Others said "wow, I didn't realize my back catalog was actually worth money!" (Starz).

      Netflix would prefer having streaming rights for the majority of the shows that they dropped, they're not dropping those shows because of a lack of interest or because their digital warehouse is out of space. They get no money or enjoyment from having to listen to the customer complaints when they drop stuff.

    27. Re:Fine Tuning by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      But they want a slice of that money pie and if they can't have their slice then they don't want anyone else to have a slice either. They'd rather have crappy streaming that everyone hates rather than someone else make the money.

    28. Re:Fine Tuning by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Competition from others is tough. The consumer isn't going to want to subscribe to multiple services after so recently having learned to cut the cord. All those services have 95% of the content in common anyway, it's only the last 5% that they're fighting over. I am not going to pay $10/mo for just one tv series no matter how good it is.

    29. Re:Fine Tuning by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      There are so few reasonable shows compared to the past. People aren't cutting the cord because quality is good. So there are two or three decent shows, that's far too few to pay $70-$100 for a subscription.

    30. Re:Fine Tuning by Kevin108 · · Score: 1

      That is likely. No sense in wasting money for licenses to stuff customers don't watch.

      Still, RIAA needs to realize for many people, they are competing with FREE. Pirate Bay is zero dollars ever. A trending story earlier this week was that a Blu-Ray rip of whatever the new Star Wars is had appeared. No shit!

      Pirating IS the competition! Every book, every video game, every app, every comic, every movie, every Windows/Mac program, every song, every TV show. For free to anyone with an internet connection. Price your wares accordingly.

      Makes the rest of us feel like idiots for having a legitimate Windows license, registering WinRAR, and still going to the movies...

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    31. Re:Fine Tuning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but paying for Netflix monthly and subscribing to Amazon Prime once per year is still a hell of a lot cheaper than cable TV. Especially now that you can subscribe to Showtime and Starz for a month at a time on Amazon.

    32. Re:Fine Tuning by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      You have forgotten the whole rent or buy issue. Will netflix be taken down by others selling permanent licences to online libraries, just like Steam for games or Apple iTunes. Is netflix a fad that will fade against distributors like itunes, whose popularity will grow and shrink and grow again and again, but people keep coming back. Of course no one can trust M$ who will sell it to you and then cancel it and say what licensed copy, we shut down that failing business arm. It really depends how low the prices go, as to whether the rental or the sales market dominates, cheaper the price sales dominate, the higher rental dominates. Limited consumer time is also a problem as more and more interactive content starts to dominate and that stuff sucks in huge volumes of consumer eye ball time, limiting non interactive content time.

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    33. Re:Fine Tuning by SNRatio · · Score: 2

      Something is fundamentally wrong with modern capitalism if selling to only one vendor, instead of all vendors, is more profitable.

      Why would you expect a price war to be more profitable than a monopoly?

    34. Re:Fine Tuning by Atryn · · Score: 1

      Something is fundamentally wrong with modern capitalism if selling to only one vendor, instead of all vendors, is more profitable.

      Suppose you can sell content X to distributors A, B and C. If that alone were all, then yes, selling A+B+C would be better than selling to only A.

      However, if distributor A is willing to also buy "exclusivity rights" for a sum greater than the money from B+C....

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    35. Re:Fine Tuning by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      It seems unlikely that an entire third of their catalogue is of interest to no-one. Not that some of it isn't shit - I get that. But people watch shit (citation? Kardashians).

      You mean how many Courics it is equivalent to?

    36. Re:Fine Tuning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the answer is yes, there is something wrong?

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      (btw, I don't know about the modern qualification)

  2. Railroad has Arrived by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Party's over people. It'll be $29.99 a month and one new show a month within 2 years. Those 401(k)'s won't top up themselves.

    Back to torrents everyone.

    1. Re:Railroad has Arrived by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      been on torrent for a while even though the roommate has a netflix subscription i could use. torrent is just way easier and there's no need to worry about content i like going poof every other month.

  3. scratching my head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > According to a report on AllFlicks, a website that lists and categorizes Netflix content, the streaming service's library for American subscribers has shrunk by a third since 2014.

    > Netflix hopes that its library in other countries will eventually rival its comprehensive selection in the US.

    So they're going to equalize the catalog sizes by shrinking the American catalog to be more like it's international catalogs? Makes me scratch my head, but I'm not a MBA or a management consultant, so what do I know.

    1. Re:scratching my head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I could've sworn the "Netflix is losing rights" stories were already played out years ago as they happened..and now they're trying tofigure out why? lol

    2. Re:scratching my head by Maritz · · Score: 2

      Yeah the context goes missing there somewhere. "US Netflix catalogue is shrinking. It has shrunk a whole lot! Netflix hopes that its international catalogue rivals the US catalogue some time."

      Maybe (sounds a bit crazy I know so ignore me if I'm talking shit) the submitter should quickly read the summary once before posting..?

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    3. Re:scratching my head by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe (sounds a bit crazy I know so ignore me if I'm talking shit) the submitter should quickly read the summary once before posting..?

      Or maybe the editor should do it before posting the story to the front page?

      Just kidding! That would buck almost twenty years of Slashdot precedent.

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    4. Re:scratching my head by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Netflix is not shrinking the catalog by choice, the catalog is being taken away from them by the content owners. They don't have have a limit on how many shows they have, they don't have to drop an American show in order to get a title from an international catalog.

    5. Re:scratching my head by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Welcome to the brave new world of short term memory. Last time it was about how evil content owners were trying to keep down the small upstart Netflix. Today it's about how the mega corporation of Netflix is dropping your shows and capping your bandwidth in order to make even more money. Tomorrow it will be about how forgetful we all seem to be lately.

  4. Bad summary. by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Although the summary is simply quotes from the article, the way they presented them makes it nonsensical. (The US Netflix library is shrinking because it's hard to secure international streaming rights?) The actual article at least has a couple real reasons -- competition from Hulu and getting rid of obscure titles.

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    1. Re:Bad summary. by yodleboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "and getting rid of obscure titles."

      thereby removing one of the great attractions (for me anyway) of Netflix. Being able to watch things I may have just heard about in passing or stumbled across while browsing the catalog.

    2. Re:Bad summary. by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I have noticed that a lot of the less popular mid-1990 and 2000 TV shows with only 1 to 3 seasons have dropped off and been replaced with fewer more popular long running shows and netflix originals.

    3. Re:Bad summary. by Verdatum · · Score: 2

      Exactly. I pretty much only watch the obscure stuff on Netflix. Fortunately, a lot of the obscure stuff is also inde stuff, and those titles tend to be far far easier to license; so they're more likely to stay up. But yeah, if that starts to dry up, I'll drop my subscription without looking back.

    4. Re:Bad summary. by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Netflix's deep catalog ended my piracy, since they made it so much easier...
      I even bought a fire stick to get access to Prime content, only to find that nearly everything on prime you still have to pay extra for.
      Time to fire up uTorrent and Plex once again :/
      (I liked not having to manage my own content catalog for a few years).

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    5. Re:Bad summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, they're dropping MASH next month... a very obscure title. Who watched that crap?

    6. Re:Bad summary. by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      I just dropped mine last month. It was harder and harder to find something new and interesting that wasn't already dumped on youtube in decent quality.

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    7. Re:Bad summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear ye! I used to enjoy their Foreign (now "International" :) film section, and it's now down to pittance. Gone are the days when the streaming companies were singing praises to the "long tail" of the taste distribution, and how everyone will now be able to meet their own tastes.

    8. Re:Bad summary. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Huh? You're not being logical.

      If netflix ended your piracy, why not keep using netflix?

      Plus, you're conflating Amazon Video and Amazon Prime Video. Everything on Amazon Prime Video is _by definition_ free (i.e. included with your existing Amazon Prime subscription).

      Amazon Video is separate, paying for rentals (and I think purchases) of other things.

    9. Re:Bad summary. by chefmonkey · · Score: 2

      Huh? You're not being logical.

      If netflix ended your piracy, why not keep using netflix?

      No, I see it. I've had similar thoughts. It used to be that you could go to Netflix and type in the name of a semi-recent (say, from last summer) popular movie that you didn't see in theaters, and there was a better than even chance that it was right there, ready for you to watch. It made impromptu Friday-night movie nights with the kids easy. Nowadays? Well, the last two times we tried this, literally nothing of interest was available.

      Go try it yourself. Inside Out? Nope. Big Hero 5? Nope. Age of Ultron? Nope. Fury Road? Nope. Tomorrowland? Nope. Jurassic world? Nope. Terminator: Genisys? Nope. Minions? Ant-Man? Fantastic Four? Nope. Nope. Nope.

      That's not how it used to be. That is very much not how it used to be.

      So they're not culling the rare stuff (you can still, for example, watch Primer -- and you should): they're failing to get rights to the big popular stuff that made Netflix popular in the first place. I'll be surprised if they aren't seeing their subscriber numbers plummet.

      I'm sure not getting what I want from the service, and am likely to drop it soon. Me? I'll probably pay the $4 per movie to watch it on iTunes or Amazon Prime. I can see how it might drive other people back into the arms of Torrents, though.

    10. Re:Bad summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? You're not being logical.

      If netflix ended your piracy, why not keep using netflix?

      So, not only do you not RTFA, you don't RTFS.

    11. Re:Bad summary. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Netflix "still" has DVDs and Blu-Rays of everything.. So does RedBox.

      (Personally, I was a Netflix customer from way way way back, from before it was unlimited, and it was effectively $4/DVD.. Though several years ago, basically all rentals were 'rental versions' with no extras.. So if it were that, why not just go to Redbox or wait for it to be on HBO? Plus, I Tivo more than I can watch already, so I cancelled.. Though I do have Amazon Prime, and "play" with the video every once in a while.. Don't use it for routine viewing. *some* day I will likely subscribe to Netflix again briefly (a few months) and binge watch their originals that I care about.)

    12. Re:Bad summary. by chefmonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Netflix "still" has DVDs and Blu-Rays of everything.. So does RedBox.

      Re-read what the original message in this thread said: "Netflix's deep catalog ended my piracy, since they made it so much easier..." -- sending little plastic-and-metal disks around isn't easier than piracy.

      Re-read what I said: "...impromptu Friday-night movie nights..." -- sending little plastic-and-metal disks around isn't conducive to this kind of opportunistic moment.

      It's not that the DVD/Bluray service is useless, just that it's qualitatively worse than the alternatives of legally streaming or illegally torrenting the same content for most people. And decimating their content catalog is going to push people to one of those two behaviors.

      But more to the point: Netflix's stock took a 9% pounding when an independent analysis firm predicted that 2016Q1 subscriber numbers would be 13% lower than Netflix had forecast. I don't see how the next three quarters can be much better for them unless they get their content licensing shit back together. And at some point, a 9% quarter-over-quarter decline will make them a wholly-owned subsidiary of someone else. Or a bankruptcy liquidation.

    13. Re:Bad summary. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Re-read what the original message in this thread said: "Netflix's deep catalog ended my piracy, since they made it so much easier..." -- sending little plastic-and-metal disks around isn't easier than piracy.

      For those who care about being moral/legal, it is.

      I guess you do a lot more "random" movie picking than I do. Sure, back when I went to actual video _stores_, I wouldn't know what is in stock so picked something from the new releases that was left. (Since they didn't have a way I could queue things or a huge backlog of most everything ever released, like Netflix has at least on disc.. or used to have at least.)

      But for both netflix and redbox (since you can figure out which movie is at which box via the app/web site), you already know what you're going to get before you get it. Usually I limit it to the one a half block away, but once in a while look through all movies or 'nearby' boxes when I'm at another location. I still pre-pick the movie long before I've gotten to the box though.

      Even when I did netflix, I routinely rented old movies or TV shows. I guess the 'new release' is far less important to me. Even on my DVR, I bank up things and sometimes watch older things I recorded even _years_ ago. (and yes, I have caught up on shows that old before)

    14. Re:Bad summary. by chefmonkey · · Score: 1

      Re-read what the original message in this thread said: "Netflix's deep catalog ended my piracy, since they made it so much easier..." -- sending little plastic-and-metal disks around isn't easier than piracy.

      For those who care about being moral/legal, it is.

      Oh, well that's sorted then. If content producers could just live in a world where that's the rule rather than the exception, everything would be fine.

    15. Re:Bad summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? You're not being logical.

      If netflix ended your piracy, why not keep using netflix?

      No, I see it. I've had similar thoughts. It used to be that you could go to Netflix and type in the name of a semi-recent (say, from last summer) popular movie that you didn't see in theaters, and there was a better than even chance that it was right there, ready for you to watch. It made impromptu Friday-night movie nights with the kids easy. Nowadays? Well, the last two times we tried this, literally nothing of interest was available.

      Go try it yourself. Inside Out? Nope. Big Hero 5? Nope. Age of Ultron? Nope. Fury Road? Nope. Tomorrowland? Nope. Jurassic world? Nope. Terminator: Genisys? Nope. Minions? Ant-Man? Fantastic Four? Nope. Nope. Nope.

      That's not how it used to be. That is very much not how it used to be.

      So they're not culling the rare stuff (you can still, for example, watch Primer -- and you should): they're failing to get rights to the big popular stuff that made Netflix popular in the first place. I'll be surprised if they aren't seeing their subscriber numbers plummet.

      I'm sure not getting what I want from the service, and am likely to drop it soon. Me? I'll probably pay the $4 per movie to watch it on iTunes or Amazon Prime. I can see how it might drive other people back into the arms of Torrents, though.

      Ironically, Netflix still has streaming rights to the movies that you have listed, just not for the US catalogue. For example, Inside Out is on Netflix Canada, Big Hero 6, Age of Ultron, are on Netflix Australia, and so on. With certain programs, you could watch all these movies on Netflix without issues but with the recent VPN crackdown on Netflix, some of us are no longer able to use these programs (unfortunately, my account is one of those blocked but everyone else who I have gotten to use the same program I am blocked on are having no issues).
      You can look at the entire world wide Netflix catalogue on http://unogs.com/

    16. Re:Bad summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Morality huh? The rule of law? You are paying a bunch of parasitic rent-seekers so they can perpetuate industrial-scale theft and continue to block progress in the useful arts. Their "intellectual" monopoly already grants them control of your property and trumps your freedom of speech, but hey! Lets keep giving them more money to actively lobby against our interests.

    17. Re:Bad summary. by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      No, I see it. I've had similar thoughts. It used to be that you could go to Netflix and type in the name of a semi-recent (say, from last summer) popular movie that you didn't see in theaters, and there was a better than even chance that it was right there, ready for you to watch. It made impromptu Friday-night movie nights with the kids easy. Nowadays? Well, the last two times we tried this, literally nothing of interest was available.

      Go try it yourself. Inside Out? Nope. Big Hero 5? Nope. Age of Ultron? Nope. Fury Road? Nope. Tomorrowland? Nope. Jurassic world? Nope. Terminator: Genisys? Nope. Minions? Ant-Man? Fantastic Four? Nope. Nope. Nope.

      That's because Netflix can't get access to the streaming rights for those movies.

      Netflix is the last to get them for streaming - that's why Netflix has older stuff and indie stuff.

      The rough order for a movie is Theatres (first-run, then long-tail into the cheap theatres), then Digital Rental/Download (CinemaNow, etc), Disc Rental(Physical)/DVD/Blu-Ray, Premium TV networks, Cable TV, Network TV, and finally, Netflix.

      Heck, the content providers even impose a 30 day period for Netflix - Netflix is not allowed to offer disc rentals until 30 days after it goes oh sale.

    18. Re:Bad summary. by Samizdata · · Score: 1

      Had a hankering to watch "The FP" the other day, which is about as indie as you can get, which I originally viewed on Netflix, annnnnnd no. How about "Monarch of the Moon", also originally viewed on Netflix? Click click...Nope.

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  5. poor editing or bad summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the US Netflix library consisted of about 6,500 movies and 1,600 television shows. As of this month, the same library offers 4,330 movies and 1,200 TV shows. An article on Quartz explains the shrinkage:

    securing international streaming rights to shows and movies is exceedingly difficult...Netflix hopes that its library in other countries will eventually rival its comprehensive selection in the US

    The article quote only explains the shrinkage if it is actually Netflix's plan to shrink the US library to be as small as their international libraries.

  6. So they'll get the goal by Junta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    International will be as comprehensive as US content withers away...

    The real explanation is simple, Netflix was not taken very seriously as a potential channel to displace traditional revenue channels (was seen as free money for little threat), and as Netflix proved it would displace the usual revenue channels, the content holders began being far more demanding as renewal time came around.

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    1. Re:So they'll get the goal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IP holders absolutely cannot stand other people making money off of their intellectual property. This is seen all throughout all kinds of IP whether trademark, patent or copyright. This is part of why Netflix refuses to release any kind of numbers for their shows. If the owner of the show knew it was the number one thing people use Netflix for, they'd start demanding $15 per netflix user for netflix to keep the show. (Meanwhile patentholders typically demand royalties in excess of 5-10% of a product's gross revenue, no matter how insignificant of a contribution to the end product they are, as seen by the average software product infringing on dozens of the little buggers, all of which think they deserve 20%.)

    2. Re:So they'll get the goal by acroyear · · Score: 1

      see my other post - in addition to being more demanding, many (esp HBO and Disney) are looking to build or already have their own competing service, and the value of that service depends on having exclusives.

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    3. Re:So they'll get the goal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      International will be as comprehensive as US content withers away...

      The real explanation is simple, Netflix was not taken very seriously as a potential channel to displace traditional revenue channels (was seen as free money for little threat), and as Netflix proved it would displace the usual revenue channels, the content holders began being far more demanding as renewal time came around.

      That and the ridiculous ham-fisted VPN blocking.

    4. Re:So they'll get the goal by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Precisely. I remember a couple of years ago Starz demanded extortionate fees during contract renewal negotiations and Netflix declined (citation). A huge swathe of A-list movies and TV shows disappeared from streaming as a result. It's clear that the content providers want to provide exclusive access to their catalogues solely through their own fragmented, stove-piped streaming services.

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    5. Re:So they'll get the goal by quantaman · · Score: 2

      International will be as comprehensive as US content withers away...

      The real explanation is simple, Netflix was not taken very seriously as a potential channel to displace traditional revenue channels (was seen as free money for little threat), and as Netflix proved it would displace the usual revenue channels, the content holders began being far more demanding as renewal time came around.

      I think the bigger factor is competition.

      Amazon and Hulu are competing for shows and the broadcasters are starting up their own services as well, I know they lost some titles in Canada because the Canadian networks launched CraveTV and Shomi and they're keeping a lot of shows exclusive for those.

      As consumers we want one service to have everything, but the market naturally goes towards exclusive content. A the broadcast rights to a hit show becomes way more valuable when people will actually buy your service just so they can get it.

      That's why Netflix has started making so many of their own shows, the BBC can take away Doctor Who and HBO won't give them Game of Thrones. But if you really want to see Jessica Jones or House of Cards then Netflix is your only choice.

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    6. Re:So they'll get the goal by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Imo, it's a pendulum swung.
      First they didn't take it seriously as a threat, so the deals were easy.
      Now they see them as competition, and they're being dicks about licenses.
      Finally (when they realize the internet has long since eaten their lunch), they will come back begging for a distribution channel...

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    7. Re:So they'll get the goal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >That's why Netflix has started making so many of their own shows, the BBC can take away Doctor Who and HBO won't give them Game of Thrones. But if you really want to see Jessica Jones or House of Cards then Netflix is your only choice.

      And that's why piracy will continue.

    8. Re:So they'll get the goal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely. I remember a couple of years ago Starz demanded extortionate fees during contract renewal negotiations and Netflix declined (citation [cnn.com]). A huge swathe of A-list movies and TV shows disappeared from streaming as a result. It's clear that the content providers want to provide exclusive access to their catalogues solely through their own fragmented, stove-piped streaming services.

      Also keep in mind that for the previous years that nexflix had access to the whole Starz Catalog of 5000+ IIRC titles, that netflix only ever put up ~1500 and that was during netflix's "No New Content" year+ where almost nothing showed up on Netflix (those 2500 other titles would have been really nice at that point).

    9. Re:So they'll get the goal by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      It's hard to see Amazon Prime as a competitor to Netflix. I have both and my queue on Netflix is about 15 times the size of my amazon list. Hulu doesn't qualify in mind at all as competition since they are showing mostly TV shows that you can get OTA and and with commercials on top of a paid subscription.

    10. Re:So they'll get the goal by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      The contract probably wasn't a flat one time cost. Netflix was probably required to pay for each individual title they wanted to use. So they likely only put up the titles they thought would bring in and keep subscribers, instead of just padding the number of crap titles that no one bothers to watch.

    11. Re:So they'll get the goal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe Netflix should spend a little more money securing streaming rights to more content and a little less money making their stupid "Netflix Originals". Fuck netflix and their waste of money on that shitty Adam Sandler cowboy movie and that fucking kimmy shit movie and orange is the new black and all this other fucking retarded shit. Just get me a huge library of existing content and stop pretending you're god damn HBO.

    12. Re:So they'll get the goal by Junta · · Score: 1

      Hard to blame them, seeing as how the IP holders have burned them in the past, with unpredictable changes.

      Netflix wants control over the experience and wants to fix the problem of inconsistent experience month to month. This means in the short term it will be worse. I also don't really like the Netflix originals, but the good news is I have access through other services popping up. The bad news is they all have 'apps' rather than letting me put all of it under Kodi with a unified interface.

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    13. Re:So they'll get the goal by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And yet they're doing a bad job making money through other channels. I actually want to buy a Blu-Ray of Arrested Development season 4 and it's still not out there. It's been out for 3 years and they already get my subscription money - why won't they take more of my money and give me the Blu-Ray?

    14. Re:So they'll get the goal by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      I think the bigger factor is competition. Amazon and Hulu are competing for shows

      This - in the world of streaming anime, Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu have gone from not even being on the radar to serious players in less that a year. There's a huge shakeup coming as a tipping point is reached with cord cutters, and of the Big Three are busy jockeying for market share.

    15. Re:So they'll get the goal by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

      You're right. And in addition to these players wanting to have their own paid streaming service, they're also trying to leverage iTunes to extend life support to the buy-on-DVD revenue stream resurrected as buy-on-demand. Instead of going straight to Netflix, a lot of studios will throw their recent movies on iTunes for paid rentals and purchase-only viewing options.

    16. Re:So they'll get the goal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because all the people they pay for content never make flops!

    17. Re:So they'll get the goal by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Hulu now has a commercial free service for a few bucks more a month.

      However, there are still some shows that don't qualify for the ad free service. With those you still get 1 commercial before the show, but it is otherwise not interrupted.

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    18. Re:So they'll get the goal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing that really galled about that was that Starz had nothing to do with those movies accept preparing them for streaming (I would say digitizing them, but there are some titles on there that I already owned digital copies of...) and they were all _god-awful_. It took me repeated attempts at some movies before I realized the blocking errors were in the recording, not a transmission errors.

    19. Re:So they'll get the goal by Agripa · · Score: 1

      I was mostly interested in the B-list movies Netflix had. When those got dropped and the A-list movies were restricted to other broken services, I dropped Netflix but did not see any other service as a substitute; they did not have the content I was interested in and were largely broken or had other restrictions making them unpalatable.

      I see the same thing happening with various new poorly working and untrusted game networks versus Valve's Steam. GOG works but EA now restricts their games to their own useless Origin service. I considered breaking my strike against EA for Mass Effect but they made the decision easy for me by restricting it to Origin.

  7. Reason doesn't make sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The reason quoted in the summary does not make sense in the context of the headline. TFA is more clear in that the 'reason' stated above is actually explaining why the US catalog still has more content than the international catalogs.

  8. For everything else... by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 1

    ...there's The Pirate Bay.

    Honestly, media companies, wouldn't it just be cheaper and easier to authorize TPB to distribute your products and charge $20/mo for access?

    1. Re:For everything else... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have to be pirate bay, but I would definitely pay $20 (or more) a month for a service like Netflix with "All The Content". All the movies and major tv shows would be a great thing to have access to. Let all the services (Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Google, etc) have all the content for the same price, and let them compete on who can deliver the best experience.

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    2. Re:For everything else... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would only serve to cause a loud portion of the internet to deride TPB as a "sellout", pick up their ball and go somewhere else they don't have to pay for it.

    3. Re:For everything else... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't have to be pirate bay, but I would definitely pay $20 (or more) a month for a service like Netflix with "All The Content". All the movies and major tv shows would be a great thing to have access to. Let all the services (Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Google, etc) have all the content for the same price, and let them compete on who can deliver the best experience.

      I'd pay $100 a month for this. As long as there were no commercials and I could use my VPN to access their service. But no, they'd rather have $0 a month from me. Shrug.

    4. Re:For everything else... by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      This model was tried before. It was called Napster. When they tried to go legit, the company sank like a stone. Everyone left.

    5. Re:For everything else... by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That would only serve to cause a loud portion of the internet to deride TPB as a "sellout", pick up their ball and go somewhere else they don't have to pay for it.

      Perhaps true. But as a long time user of TPB for content I cannot find on Netflix/Hulu/etc, I'd happily pay for a legitimate version...they could even call it "The WarnerSonyEveryOtherFilmCompany Bay" for all I care.

      Just put all the content in one place, and make it easy for me to watch it whenever I want on whatever platform I happen to have in front of me at the moment, and I'll be happy to pay a reasonable fee.

    6. Re:For everything else... by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      Napster was fscked a long time before they ever tried to make it legit. Going legit was an effort to make some money trading on the name recognition but it was already too late at that point as competitors had moved in and the market was being dominated by other commercial ventures as well as other file sharing methods.

    7. Re:For everything else... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I have absolutely zero sympathy for rightsholders who whine about piracy while withholding their content from accessible distribution channels like Netflix and Amazon.

      If you want my money, the first step is to allow me to give it to you. Don't make it hard for me to do that. If you do, you deserve whatever fate the pirates have in store for you.

    8. Re:For everything else... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get off Pirate Bay and the Mpaa honeypots, and get on YTS.ag

  9. Watch Out! by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    or Netflix will become the next Redbox.

    I have seen how "the obscure" titles have dried up, which is sad.
    There are a lot of foreign and classic films that deserve to be available.

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    1. Re:Watch Out! by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      Check out your local public library. You may be pleasantly surprised.

  10. Thanks Slashdot for reminding me to cancel. by avandesande · · Score: 1

    This month they opted me in to the 4 screen plan at higher cost even though I only use a single screen at best a few times a month. It's not even worth figuring out how to get the single screen plan I am just going to cancel.

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    1. Re:Thanks Slashdot for reminding me to cancel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      opted you in? You clicked a button without reading?

    2. Re:Thanks Slashdot for reminding me to cancel. by avandesande · · Score: 1

      No they just assigned me this new account without any input.

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    3. Re:Thanks Slashdot for reminding me to cancel. by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      Does anyone else have access to your account? Kids perhaps?

      I know that when they changed their pricing model we were dropped in to the equivalent tier in the new model.

      But, afaik, the 4 screen tier didn't come alone until 4k content was available.

      Perhaps you have a 4k TV and wanted to try some 4K content and so upgraded without fully understanding the different tiers?

      Also, you say it is "not even worth figuring out how to get the single screen plan" which implies that you are not familiar with the pricing tiers.

      All you have to do is go to your account and select the single screen streaming plan... but that only gives you SD quality streaming.

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    4. Re:Thanks Slashdot for reminding me to cancel. by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I think this has to do with having 4 screens streaming at once, not 4k but not really sure.

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    5. Re:Thanks Slashdot for reminding me to cancel. by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      I think this has to do with having 4 screens streaming at once, not 4k but not really sure.

      I can see why you are having an issue. You don't know how to comprehend what you read, such as right now.

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    6. Re:Thanks Slashdot for reminding me to cancel. by avandesande · · Score: 2

      I sure as hell do. I don't have a 4k tv or multiple ways to stream so I really don't care which one it is. All I know is they inadvertently upgraded my account for something I don't need. Were you born a jerk?

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    7. Re:Thanks Slashdot for reminding me to cancel. by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      Yeah I get that. But the way Netflix pricing tiers are set up, the number of screens is linked to the streaming quality as well.

      So the 4 screen plan also allows 4k content streaming.

      IIRC the 2 screen plan is HD content and the 1 screen plan is SD content

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  11. Music category is too small by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

    In the mood to watch a concert and netflix has little offering. Their music category really should be much bigger, there is no excuse for under so little content.
    I'm finding myself on youtube red watching concerts due to the lack on netflix. And I get free google music with youtube red. (no commercials)

    If it wasnt for daredevil, house of cards and narco, I'd have canceled. Been viewing amazon prime video more lately, since I get it free with prime...

    1. Re:Music category is too small by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I am starting to agree with you.

      A couple of years ago Netflix was indispensable. Now I am considering cutting it. I have Hulu commercial free plan and Amazon Prime which gives me most of the stuff I want to watch with the ability to pay à la carte for TV shows I really want to see right away.

      Netflix is increasingly the go-to for falling asleep viewing like STTNG or old X-Files. I also like Dardevil and Jessica Jones and I REALLY loved "The Killing". But their other shows are not that great.

      If they raise their prices again, that will be the signal to bail for sure.

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  12. I18N a cost, but US rights getting harder by acroyear · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It really has nothing to do with international rights. Cost may be a factor, but it isn't the most important right now. They can license whatever the studios will sell them.

    The studios aren't selling.

    The reason is that they figure they've got the killer show that is enough to get them to install the service for just that studio's output. HBO and Starz are already exclusives (with HBO recently revoking Netflix's license with Sesame Street), Disney's working on theirs, CBS has forked off their own instead of signing on to Hulu with the other networks.

    At $15/m, they figure they've got the one killer show that is enough to get that monthly subscription, and they're gambling they're right by taking their material off of Netflix.

    In the end, "cutting the chord" is not going to save anybody any money, because instead of paying cable $99+ / month for shows and HBO, they're going to have to sign on to 7 services to get the same shows they want to watch, resulting in the same $99/month.

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    1. Re:I18N a cost, but US rights getting harder by twotacocombo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the end, "cutting the chord" is not going to save anybody any money, because instead of paying cable $99+ / month for shows and HBO, they're going to have to sign on to 7 services to get the same shows they want to watch, resulting in the same $99/month.

      Not really. As long as there's no long term commitment to these services, people like me will just binge watch everything we want in a month, then cancel and move on to the next service. That is, until they start pulling dick moves like only keeping the 2 or 3 latest episodes, at which point they will get none of my money.

    2. Re:I18N a cost, but US rights getting harder by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

      In the end, "cutting the chord" is not going to save anybody any money, because instead of paying cable $99+ / month for shows and HBO, they're going to have to sign on to 7 services to get the same shows they want to watch, resulting in the same $99/month.

      With no commercials, and being able to watch on my schedule instead of theirs? Deal. And it's only going to be $99/mo. if you're actually interested in something from every channel, and you don't end up splitting costs with friends (i.e., Bob, you get HBO and I'll get Stars and we can get together to watch the shows).

    3. Re:I18N a cost, but US rights getting harder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is, until they start pulling dick moves like only keeping the 2 or 3 latest episodes, at which point they will get none of my money.

      Or only selling annual subscriptions. I.e. basically forcing everyone to deal with a half dozen slightly different flavors of Comcast.

    4. Re:I18N a cost, but US rights getting harder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly... and good luck with that! Anyone with that attitude will fail and I'm talking about all the major labels. They are already on the ropes and praying for blood from the few followers they have left. Ain't gonna happen. They're dead... The bell is ringing. Bye bye and good riddance!

      What could they do to survive? Cut budgets and profit outlooks. Become more efficient. The human population in general has been cutting back and trying to save money as the world economy is failing... meanwhile commercial interests keep trying to meet increasing profit levels. That's the stupidest thing ever and implosion is coming if they continue this idiocy.

    5. Re:I18N a cost, but US rights getting harder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One benefit of cord cutting is that content revenue is then not going to Comcast and Time Warner directly through your cable bill. So cord cutting puts pressure on separating the combined content producer+ISP model, and helps with supporting net neutrality.

      TL;DR: The more we can treat cable as a dumb pipe, the better.

    6. Re:I18N a cost, but US rights getting harder by Dorianny · · Score: 1

      In the end, "cutting the chord" is not going to save anybody any money, because instead of paying cable $99+ / month for shows and HBO, they're going to have to sign on to 7 services to get the same shows they want to watch, resulting in the same $99/month.

      This is exactly the thinking of the Studio Execs and it is fundamentally flawed because they don't realize that for the new generations Social Media, gaming and Web Surfing are entertainment options which they are now competing against. In large part the cord-cutters are not people that can't afford Cable but rather people that can't justify the expense for an entertainment option which they are not be using all that much

    7. Re:I18N a cost, but US rights getting harder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If enough people started quitting after the first month they'll find a way to put a stop to it. The most obvious approach would be to make a month unreasonably expensive and then lure you in with a heavily discounted yearly subscription.

    8. Re:I18N a cost, but US rights getting harder by walllaby · · Score: 1

      Ask Yahoo how that worked out for them. They purchased rights to Community Season 6 for Yahoo Screen, figuring the enthusiastic fan base would bring in lots of viewers, but they lost a lot of money on the endeavor.

  13. Netflix responds to reports of shrinkage by dfn5 · · Score: 0

    "Cut me some slack, I just got out of the pool"

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  14. DVD Library Shrinking Faster by omnichad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I still pay for DVD subscription for anything that isn't streaming. And they are shrinking their deep catalog fast. My queue has almost as many unavailable titles as available titles now. They are dumping used discs at Dollar General or Big Lots fast.

    It used to be that just about anything you could think of was available on disc, and then there was streaming with the more limited catalog. Now, DVD is less and less worth paying for. I am turning to buying a copy of a movie rather than having any way to rent for the more obscure titles.

    1. Re: DVD Library Shrinking Faster by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Push all the 'very long wait' titles to the top of your queue. They're usually being phased out. As a bonus, if one becomes available you'll get an extra disc for free, if it's been at the top of your queue for a while.

      I'm considering switching to the two-disc plan just so my kids get to see some of the classics before they dump them on Dollar General.

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    2. Re: DVD Library Shrinking Faster by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Out of 200+ titles on my queue that haven't been phased out yet, more than 20 are Very Long Wait. Lots of older classic movies I'd never seen, but also a lot of obscure and UK/Canadian TV.

    3. Re: DVD Library Shrinking Faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only there was a way to transmit infinite copies

    4. Re: DVD Library Shrinking Faster by omnichad · · Score: 1

      If only there was a way to have compulsory licensing for streaming movies like we have for music... That's the problem as it stands. But movies have a high production cost to recover, so compulsory licensing can't start until the movie has been out for several years.

  15. Competition by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

    Although the summary is simply quotes from the article, the way they presented them makes it nonsensical. (The US Netflix library is shrinking because it's hard to secure international streaming rights?) The actual article at least has a couple real reasons -- competition from Hulu and getting rid of obscure titles.

    Competition is a big one. Hulu's free offerings have gotten much worse (and mostly they flood it with intrusive or deceptive advertising about their subscription service, like claiming they have X eps when only X-150 are available unless you subscribe to their premium service), but they are paying for more content. Amazon Prime has its own big library. Even the cable companies have amazing on-demand content libraries now, just terrible interfaces. You would think it would drive prices down, but it's actually driving competition for content up and overall prices up if you want the same or greater coverage.

  16. Doctor Who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was removed in February. Hey Netflix... Bring it back or you lose another customer!

    1. Re: Doctor Who... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1, Funny

      Nobody watches Dr. Who. It's an obscure title. The Internet told us so.

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    2. Re:Doctor Who... by portwojc · · Score: 2

      That was due to a move by the BBC. They see the money in their own streaming channel too...

    3. Re:Doctor Who... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      But will they allow people in the US to subscribe? I would love to pay the BBC to have access to all of their entire back catalogue of TV and Radio content. There are very few companies that are willing to produce something like "Planet Earth" but I am willing to pay for quality content.

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  17. It's about Licensing, Stupid! Content is expense by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Informative

    Netflix is NOT the cause of this -- it is the greedy asshole content providers. Have a NetFlix (streaming) subscription but travel to Canada or over seas and want to watch Netflix? Tough shit -- you are forced to use a proxy / VPN workaround due to retarded licensing contracts. The content providers don't have a fucking clue that some people want to watch anything anywhere and that we're willing to pay for it. They want to nickel and dime every region independently to maximize profits.

    The actual reason Netflix's catalog is so sparse -- where the fuck is Seinfeld? Big Bang Theory? -- is because licensing costs go up about 10% every few years. Sadly, Netflix just doesn't the capital nor critical mass that the cable industry has. :-/

    Here is a list of Movies not on Netflix

    People think "cutting the cord" is a solution. That doesn't effect the content providers AT ALL. The cable companies are big enough that a few lost customers aren't going to make a difference. The cable industry is so OVER saturated that the terminology is "churn". Cable box penetration has remained consistent for the past ~10 years.

    It is a similar reason Netflix basically ignores its deaf subscribers and screws up the subtitles. The solution would be crowd source the whole dam thing but you can thank the lawyers for fucking that over.

    * http://theweek.com/articles/45...

  18. Streaming sucks on so many levels by sremick · · Score: 1

    As the years go by, you're paying more and getting less for your money. On top of that, the Netflix quality is the worst of all the major players. I ran a test where I found the same movie on Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime and Netflix, and tried playing all 3 on the same TV on the same evening over the same internet connection. Netflix's was noticably worse, and bandwidth monitoring on my connection showed that it was also the only 1 of the 3 which didn't make full use of available bandwidth.

    Physical media + Plex server solves the problem for us. You can buy movies on the cheap used at lawn sales, eBay, Amazon marketplace, or just general sales.

    1. Re:Streaming sucks on so many levels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Physical media + Plex server solves the problem for us. You can buy movies on the cheap used at lawn sales, eBay, Amazon marketplace, or just general sales.

      This right here. I am actually considering getting rid of netflix. I have 2500+ physical discs. I rarely use netflix anymore. I asked my wife when the last time she streamed anything. She could not remember "A few months ago". I looked it up. It had been 8 months since she had used it.

      The DVD side is not much better. There are many titles out there they just dont have anymore. I can pick them up somewhere usually for 2-5 bucks with free shipping.

    2. Re:Streaming sucks on so many levels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see... I can spend $8/mo on Netflix or... I can spend my free time hunting down physical media at fucking garage sales, eBay, amazon's marketplace, and other random places, then rip them to a massive home storage library running Plex...? Yeah, no, I'll spend $8/mo instead thanks.

      Also, are you shitting me? Hulu? Hulu is a fucking joke. It's a paid service full of ads that doesn't offer any decent content unless you like watching shitty television. And even if you like shitty televison, all you're going to get is season 2, 7, 8, 11 of a fifteen season show and even then only if you catch it on the third tuesday of every other month except the months with two full moons and blah blah blah blah. Hulu is a mother fucking joke. I mean Netflix is becoming a joke too but jesus christ Hulu isn't even in contention for being usable and worthwhile. Even if they were FREE I wouldn't trouble myself with their service at this point.

    3. Re:Streaming sucks on so many levels by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Let's see... I can spend $8/mo on Netflix or... I can spend my free time hunting down physical media at fucking garage sales, eBay, amazon's marketplace, and other random places, then rip them to a massive home storage library running Plex...? Yeah, no, I'll spend $8/mo instead thanks.

      That only works if you just want to watch "something" instead of deciding for yourself what you want to watch.

    4. Re:Streaming sucks on so many levels by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Or do both. I have about 300+ physical discs and a full Netflix subscription. Thinking about dropping the DVD/Blu-Ray side because I usually just end up buying things they don't have in their catalog anymore anyway. But the streaming still has value for now.

    5. Re:Streaming sucks on so many levels by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      As much as your snarky tone would make me otherwise disagree with you, I agree totally.
      I would never use my free time to hunt down media.
      Nor would I subscribe to multiple services.
      If anything, I'm streamlining my media/content approach.

      --
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    6. Re:Streaming sucks on so many levels by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      As the years go by, you're paying more and getting less for your money.

      That's been my experience as a subscriber since maybe 2008. At first it was great, I could catch up on old tv series and there were plenty of movies available that I wanted to watch. Eventually I made it through my backlog of shows and started noticing that movies that used to be on the service were now missing and that when I would search for a particular movie to watch it was more than likely not available.

      I've been thinking about canceling my plan for awhile, but $9.99 a month is cheap enough that I'll keep it around "just in case". However, if I ever bother to get OpenVPN set up I'll probably just start streaming movies from my home collection and then cancel my Netflix account.

  19. Re:It's about Licensing, Stupid! Content is expens by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    What I miss are the older movies.
    I love movies from the 1930s,40s, 50s, and 60s. The ones that used to be on AMC and TMC.
    Where are all the old westerns?

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  20. Re:Doctor Who... on Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was due to a move by the BBC. They see the money in their own streaming channel too...

    No, they saw money in Amazon streaming. https://doctorwhowatch.com/2016/03/21/doctor-who-comes-back-exclusively-to-amazon-prime-video-in-the-us/

  21. Old needs to die first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Old crusty business moguls with old crusty fingers stuck in their old crusty bums need to hurry up and die already.

  22. If it weren't illegal what I'd do is by pteddy · · Score: 1

    have the 1 DVD at a time plan and get all the stuff that's not streamable sent to me on DVD. Then I'd rip it using Handbrake and store it on my Synology Diskstation so that I could watch it later at my leisure. I've probably be able to get 2 to 3 movies ripped a week if I ripped them and sent them back right away. Like I said, if it weren't illegal.

  23. The same thing is happening with DVDs by JustNiz · · Score: 2

    More and more things in my DVD queue keep being silently moved from the "next to be mailed" section into the "saved" section with wait times of "unknown", never to come back out. There's never any explanation or even warning.

    1. Re:The same thing is happening with DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should have used Netflix back in the 90's and early 2000's when it was relevant. I cancelled my sub in 2002 when I saw what was coming. Netflix is dead in the water like the DVD rental places before it.

    2. Re:The same thing is happening with DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since that split debacle, it's been pretty clear that Netflix doesn't want their DVD business anyway ...

  24. Re:It's about Licensing, Stupid! Content is expens by omnichad · · Score: 1

    It is a similar reason Netflix basically ignores its deaf subscribers and screws up the subtitles.

    How do they even screw that up? A LOT of their streaming TV content is transferred straight from the beta broadcast tapes. In fact, a lot of times while streaming a TV episode, the picture will drop to a blue error screen that looks like you'd see when a VCR hits a bad spot on the tape.

    This means that the Netflix encodes are coming straight off the tapes that likely have EIA-608 Closed Captions embedded on line 21 of the broadcast picture. It's a matter of just ripping and converting the timing instructions within to their own format.

  25. Re:It's about Licensing, Stupid! Content is expens by Rockoon · · Score: 1

    I love movies from the 1930s,40s, 50s, and 60s. The ones that used to be on AMC and TMC.

    Indeed. Looking at what Netflix streaming offers, there is only a single Danny Kaye movie. Just wow on that one.

    Danny Kaye has starred in many hit movies and tv shows that also include other famous actors and actresses, including stars like:

    Angela Lansbury, Bing Crosby, Boris Karloff, Benny Goodman, Mia Farrow, Dinah Shore, Flip Wilson, Sandy Duncan, Telly Savalas, Vincent Price, Casey Kasem, Richard Chamberlain, Eli Wallach, Carl Reiner, Brian Dennehy, ..... just to name a few.

    Netflix streams a single one. Just one. Thats it. Crazy. Surely a lot of these movies wouldn't cost much to license long-term, but then again even if they had them maybe netflix would decide that you are using too much bandwidth for your own good.

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  26. Re:It's about Licensing, Stupid! Content is expens by TheSync · · Score: 2

    retarded licensing contracts. The content providers don't have a fucking clue that some people want to watch anything anywhere and that we're willing to pay for it. They want to nickel and dime every region independently to maximize profits.

    I don't think anyone in the media industry is unaware of the consumer desire to watch any content anywhere, but the problem is that in many territories "non-internet media" like cable TV and over-the-air TV is paying so much more than Internet media SVOD distributors. You can't make your reliable, paying distributors mad by encouraging distribution channel cannibalization.

    The top content producing media companies have gross profit margins between 30% and 40% right now, and international revenue is rising quickly - often based on syndication to countries where TV access is way ahead of Internet access, and where poor people are more likely to watch free broadcast TV than have any kind of subscription.

    The actual reason Netflix's catalog is so sparse -- where the fuck is Seinfeld? Big Bang Theory? -- is because licensing costs go up about 10% every few years. Sadly, Netflix just doesn't the capital nor critical mass that the cable industry has. :-/

    The truth is that (in just the US) Big Bang Theory can regularly bring in 20 million viewers in live + 7 days VOD, and the advertising opportunity revenue for that will blow away any kind of SVOD revenue.

  27. Re:It's about Licensing, Stupid! Content is expens by TheSync · · Score: 1

    There actually is an FCC rule about this based on the 21st Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act (CVAA):

    Full-length Internet video programming must be captioned if the programming is shown on TV in the U.S. with captions after Sept. 30, 2013.

    We don't actually use "line 21" any more, as analog is dead in the US. CTA-608 and CTA-708 format captions are carried over HD-SDI in ancillary data packets, or more likely for Internet workflows, they are carried in user data or SEI messages of the compressed video codec in a file.

  28. Re:It's about Licensing, Stupid! Content is expens by omnichad · · Score: 1

    We don't actually use "line 21" any more

    See above - talking about shows on Netflix actually transferred from SD broadcast tape. The older captions would literally already be there.

  29. Re:It's about Licensing, Stupid! Content is expens by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

    Yea, the same thing happened with a lot of old bbc tv shows I used to love watching. Now all are gone, they had a few sci-fi/sy-fi tv shows I liked for a while no most of those are gone too.

    I tried looking up in the name of the rose the other day and got nothing. I'm seriously thinking about moving to apple tv or hulu plus. Netflix streaming just isn't what it used to be...though 9.99 a month is still pretty cheap when you don't have cable, on the flip side its no use when there is nothing but sharknado 3 and other really horrible DTTV stuff.

  30. I'm still happy that I can subscribe or unsubscrib by DishpanMan · · Score: 1

    There are many people here complaining about not getting content anymore or not having enough content on Netflix. But many forget that it is as easy as a few clicks to suspend their Netflix accounts and move on to other avenues. I distinctly know that if I want to unsubscribe from BBC for example with my content provider because I don't watch it any more, I have to cancel their service all together. Which, by the way takes days of talking to customer support and sending or taking back the cable box. I understand that people have complaints about Netflix and some have moved on from it, but let's take a step back for a second and realize that getting Netflix or getting rid of it is such an easy choice now, and we don't have to subscribe to a hundred useseless channels to get it. Yes the number of titles shrank, but I can subscribe for a month to watch house of cards and daredevil, unsubscribe, and subscribe to HBO for game of thrones for a month, and not have to deal with Comcast and pay 100 a month to do this. Things can be always better, but I know they are already much better than ten years ago.

  31. Canceled by saberworks · · Score: 1

    Just a couple of days ago I canceled my netflix subscription because of the user-hostile behavior of their roku app. Just clicking a show to read a more detailed description or get a list of actors in it would cause it to play automatically. Hit back, then select it again, it autoplays again. It's impossible to browse the catalog and add shows to my queue. Their support channel is useless, they just say they'll pass the suggestion on. There are threads on reddit and the roku forums with many people complaining about the same thing. Netflix also had a blog post about this "new feature" but after they got hundreds and hundreds of complaints they just turned off commenting and deleted all the existing comments. I know it's only $8/month but I'm not interested in giving any more money to these people. And we've been subscribers almost since the beginning.

    It's nice that I could cancel online without calling in to support (a lot of online services don't let you cancel online). But it's telling that there was no survey asking why I canceled.

    1. Re:Canceled by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I actually kind of like the feature you describe.

      It doesn't auto play for 3-5 seconds or so after you select the title and if you move the selector at all it won't auto play.

      This is a Roku specific implementation though, it has nothing to do with Netflix. I use Netflix on a lot of different platforms and only the Roku does the auto play thing.

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  32. So what by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    What do you think torrents are for?

  33. Re:It's about Licensing, Stupid! Content is expens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US Households paying for TV service in 2010: 87%
    US Households paying for TV service in 2015: 83%
    So it's going down; not by a lot

  34. It confuses me when you don't address the headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They stated their u.s. catalogue has shrunk. So why are they blaming the cost increase in buying foreign media? Than apologizing for lack of more options for foreign subscribers. Seems like buying the rights to shows domestically is well within their means. So why can't they start approaching bigger named networks, and bargaining with those willing to. So as to increase there catalogue while saving money. I'd be happy with a wider range of domestic titles to choose from. There's been so many phenomenal shows from the last 20 years that would great additions.

  35. Netflix selection shrinkage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The reason is that securing international streaming rights to shows and movies is exceedingly difficult." Whose reason is this? Netflix's? Their economic motive might be to prune unpopular films to save inventory costs, while"disciplining" their customers to forego arty and out-of-the-way good work, and accept more lucrative conventional hits. Regulation could make Netflix represent all of film making, not just commercial hits. it is fair to regulate their privately-owned inventory because it is offered on the public market.

  36. The Netflix of Constant Disapointment by lucien86 · · Score: 1

    Here in the UK Netflix is a constant disappointment to me and I keep asking myself I am I still bothering to subscribe.. Its not uncommon to go a whole month without watching a single Netflix program and finding interesting stuff under the interface is always a nightmare.. Mythbusters series 1, 3, 3 only - for what must be over a year now, cmon. So many common shows unavailable, so many good films unavailable, the cycling of new stuff so slow. I dare them to put their prices up now.. - Of course there's not a lot of other (good) choice out there. Already have Amazon Prime but most of the good stuff costs just as much as buying it on Blu-ray, so why not just buy it on Blu-ray and own it without contract limits?

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  37. NetFlix Catalog SUCKS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netflix's catalog sucks! It always has. I simply cannot understand all the hype that NetFlix gets. I guess the cord cutters love C grade movies.

    Amazon, they suck ass too.

  38. Miami Vice, Knight Rider, Magnum P.I. by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 1

    Terminator 2.... and the list goes on of ALL the movies and shows like this that they have removed that, I imagine, had a good following. Everyone that I know that has Netflix had those old 80s shows as favorites. It seems to me that keeping those kinda of older shows would be a priority.