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The White House Finally Got Color Printers (gizmodo.com)

An anonymous reader quotes an article on Gizmodo: Everyone loves an upgrade -- even POTUS. The New York Times reports that the White House has recently undergone a technological transformation, though it may not sound too impressive to many of us: Its employees are now equipped with modern laptops, iPhones and even... color printers. [...] Employees have new computers with "fast, solid-state drives and modern processors," according to the newspaper, along with color printers. There's a new phone system and many staff now tote iPhones. The Wi-Fi has been upgraded, so it's now fast enough to live-stream video. And security has been increased too, with a new software system for managing visitors and a chip-based card system which is used by staffers instead of passwords.

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  1. iPhones aren't secure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gotta watch those iPhones for sensitive material though...I hear that there's a company which will crack the encryption for the highest bidder.

    #CantWin

  2. A chip based card system by Righ · · Score: 1

    instead of passwords. Sweet.

    1. Re:A chip based card system by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's chip and PIN -- not as bad as the summary made it sound.

    2. Re:A chip based card system by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Probably a PIV card for two-factor authentication.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIPS_201

    3. Re:A chip based card system by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Probably a PIV card for two-factor authentication.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIPS_201

      Probably given that is pretty much the government standard for most machines, at least on the non-classified network.

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    4. Re:A chip based card system by I4ko · · Score: 1

      With the certificate policies and the SCVP validation policies you can secure almost any network. The PACS and other access control will know what to look for. You still need to type a password to unlock the private key, and you still may be required to enter a second level password after the PIV authenticates you to a user ID only.

  3. Where was the hardware made? by mi · · Score: 1

    The new equipment better be made in the US and carefully examined by the folks like NSA afterwards. White House remains home to the most powerful man on the planet — both militarily and commercially.

    It is the highest-value target for a very large number of people and even a printer can be used creatively by spies.

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    1. Re:Where was the hardware made? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

      this is probably for non-secure work. the classified gear has it's own separate network and their own standards

    2. Re:Where was the hardware made? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Queue the "Opps I lost the emails" v2.0.

    3. Re:Where was the hardware made? by mi · · Score: 1

      this is probably for non-secure work

      I don't think anything done at the White House can be considered "non-secure".

      For example, when Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin met in 1945, Soviet doctors were analyzing the foreign leaders excrement daily. This was, how Stalin learned, Roosevelt does not have much longer to live... A similar analysis was done on Chairman Mao.

      Bet you would've ridiculed an attempt to classify shit until you've read this...

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    4. Re:Where was the hardware made? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Queue the "Opps I lost the emails" v2.0.

      I doubt that will ever happen again after the Bush Administration lost 22 million emails.

      The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007 during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act. Over 5 million emails may have been lost. Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove emails, leading to damaging allegations. In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been lost.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

    5. Re:Where was the hardware made? by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Creatively? effortlessly. HP laser printers can run code to spy on things, and if someone was able to slap a tiny extra board in there each printer could simply capture the print job and send it elsewhere disguised as harmless packets or sit and wait for the printer to be returned on it's lease to give up it's goodies, or transmit out of band, etc....

      Copy machines were compromised like this a LOT. Just read the NSA archives on what they have found in our embassy's around the world as well as american offices.

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    6. Re:Where was the hardware made? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You Hillary shills know no bounds.

    7. Re:Where was the hardware made? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      "This was, how Stalin learned, Roosevelt does not have much longer to live"

      Was there a reason for those comma's or do you just like to sprinkle them around?

      Wait I get it, you're William Shatner. Hey everyone Shatner is on Slashdot!!

    8. Re:Where was the hardware made? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      You Hillary shills know no bounds.

      Where in my comment did I mentioned Hillary?

    9. Re:Where was the hardware made? by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Secure or unsecure it's all commercial grade equipment. There are procedures to secure such as per the requirements of the network involved but there is not a special US one manufacturer of such equipment. HP is most common printer found but they don't hold a monopoly, I've seen Cannon, Lexmark and others. A classified network has no connection to the Unclass networks, and Higher level networks have no connection to lower networks. Airgapping (authorized and unauthorized) does happen but network separation and very heavy monitoring keeps things mostly secure.

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    10. Re:Where was the hardware made? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just, imagine, if, those, commas, were, printed, on, a, report, in, color! because, now, they, can, be!

    11. Re:Where was the hardware made? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Well they're using iphones, so there goes that theory.

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    12. Re: Where was the hardware made? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 'cue' not 'queue'

    13. Re:Where was the hardware made? by mi · · Score: 1

      Well they're using iphones, so there goes that theory.

      Maybe, Apple did a special run in an American facility just for the White House (and, maybe, some other agencies)? Or, maybe, NSA did it for them — as they've once made a special Blackberry...

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    14. Re:Where was the hardware made? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I doubt that will ever happen again after the Bush Administration lost 22 million emails.

      Good thing he's not running for president. That sort of thing should disqualify a person... assuming Bush sent the emails in question and was the one who had the server set up, anyway.

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    15. Re:Where was the hardware made? by brainstem · · Score: 2

      probably just to sprinkle them around, like your apostrophe's.

    16. Re:Where was the hardware made? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      All you had to do is look at Roosevelt and figure out he was pretty ill. If doctors could establish your health status from excrement, you would be mailing a bag of shit to your insurance company instead of the company giving you shit all of the time because you are trying to spend their precious money.

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    17. Re:Where was the hardware made? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I can't wait until Slashdot gets Unicode. Imagine the possibilities.

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    18. Re:Where was the hardware made? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If doctors could establish your health status from excrement, you would be mailing a bag of shit to your insurance company

      That's silly. How would the doctors get a good enough reading when the bag's contents always arrive on fire?

    19. Re:Where was the hardware made? by jofas · · Score: 1

      You spelled 'cthulhu' wrong. Unless you were referring to a Mexican dessert, in which case you also spelled it wrong.

    20. Re:Where was the hardware made? by jofas · · Score: 1

      Lol wat. Do you know what air-gapping is?

    21. Re:Where was the hardware made? by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Odd metonym, using the name of the security barrier to name the technique to breach that barrier.

      Back in my day, we called the breaching technique "sneaker-net". Of course, we only did it when it was authorized. :)

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    22. Re: Where was the hardware made? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe he is expecting a lot of them and plans to process them FIFO

    23. Re:Where was the hardware made? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Odd metonym, using the name of the security barrier to name the technique to breach that barrier.

      Back in my day, we called the breaching technique "sneaker-net". Of course, we only did it when it was authorized. :)

      We called it WalkNet so that it could be footwear-independent.

    24. Re:Where was the hardware made? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      These are probably specially ordered. The normal ones print little yellow dots that let law enforcement identify the source of print outs. You can bet the Whitehouse ones have that disabled.

      Fully vetted and spyware/backdoors removed by the NSA no doubt.

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    25. Re:Where was the hardware made? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I think the AC was referring to the context in which you posted. Paraphrasing:
      Them: "Hillary did it."
      You: "So did Bush!"

      It's quite reasonable that your comment could be construed as a defense of Hillary. That was my assumption.

      I happen to think Bush is almost a model of how not to run a government. That Hillary did the same thing as him does not reflect well on her at all.

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    26. Re:Where was the hardware made? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      That Hillary did the same thing as him does not reflect well on her at all.

      When Hillary set up her server, it was legit under existing policy at that time. But her purpose was the same as the Bush administration: to hide emails from outside parties.

    27. Re:Where was the hardware made? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      It gets into the weeds a bit, but it was legit so long as she didn't send anything classified. Of course, since she was largely responsible for classifying documents...

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    28. Re:Where was the hardware made? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That Hillary did the same thing as him does not reflect well on her at all.

      When Hillary set up her server, it was legit under existing policy at that time. But her purpose was the same as the Bush administration: to hide emails from outside parties.

      One really has to wonder when the Secretary of State needs to hide emails from outside parties. I mean, she's released the email server and the emails to a group that decided to classify less than 10% of them, but it seems to me that email servers within the control of the federal government are subject to federally (either unapproved or classified to not let parties know) sanctioned interception.

      Under the assumption that everything is as it should be, the benefits of knowing what the Secretary of State is up to would be high enough that I can easily see an administrator leaking the documents for profit, political gain of their party, or fodder for smear tactics.

    29. Re:Where was the hardware made? by tibit · · Score: 1

      The printer on a secure network has no connection to the public internet. There is no routing between the secure and insecure networks. So, the printer can't use the network it's plugged to by wire. It would need to leak data via a cellular modem. Easy to do. Not every secure location jams the good old cell networks.

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    30. Re:Where was the hardware made? by dwywit · · Score: 1

      They can - here in Oz there's a free test kit mailed out to everyone over 50 (55?) every couple of years.

      You put this piece of paper in the toilet, do your business on it, swirl a swab through the turds, put the swab in a tube, seal the tube, mail it back, post paid. Oh, and flush the paper - it's designed to break down in the system.

      It's a screening test for bowel cancer, and it's been effective enough for the govt to continue funding it.

      All that poo in the post, no wonder Aus Post workers look grumpy.

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    31. Re:Where was the hardware made? by dwywit · · Score: 1

      I imagine the White House is swept regularly, and that any source not on the "approved" list would be quickly identified.

      If it's your job to sweep the offices for bugs, you're going to pay special attention to anything electrical. That was my job, once and briefly in the 80s - pay special attention to the phone and fax, we were told. Update that to this century, and pay special attention to all the technology.

      It's also possible that the White House has its own cell/s and anything trying to "call out" would have to go through those cells, or that nearby cells are programmed to not accept anything originating from that location. Triangulation is already used to locate you (roughly) via your phone. They might even use stingray-like technology to identify unauthorised devices.

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    32. Re:Where was the hardware made? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      If Bush sent 22 million emails, he didn't have time to be President. It's hard to believe the whole administration could have sent that many emails.

      Hey, I'm glad the White House finally got color printers. Now they can print those rainbow flags they're so fond of lately.

    33. Re:Where was the hardware made? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      If Bush sent 22 million emails, he didn't have time to be President.

      He was a big fan of forwarding emails to everybody on his contacts list.

    34. Re:Where was the hardware made? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I can easily see an administrator leaking the documents for profit, political gain of their party, or fodder for smear tactics.

      From a different article I've read a while back, the email server was set up to avoid that exact scenario.

    35. Re: Where was the hardware made? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      hrm - no cracked firmware yet? My printer is so stupid the very last thing I expect it has is signed firmware.

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  4. Is it secure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully it's not all off-the-shelf stuff that's potentially riddled with Chinese back-doors and leaks classified information like a sieve.

    1. Re:Is it secure? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Hopefully it's not all off-the-shelf stuff that's potentially riddled with Chinese back-doors and leaks classified information like a sieve.

      No, they are riddled with American back doors. Much better.

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  5. Upgrades! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone loves an upgrade, even pipsqueak.

  6. I heard they had color printers in 2009 by davidwr · · Score: 0

    I head that the Obama girls had color printing devices when they moved in back in 2009.

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    1. Re:I heard they had color printers in 2009 by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      That is funny, I would have modded you up.

      Unfortunately, somebody can't take a joke and modded you down for it.

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  7. iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Finally, iPhones, now that the FBI has a way to hack into them it should be a piece of cake to find out what our white house is up to these days.

    The irony of equipping government with the exact same hardware you are trying to weaken security for hasn't sunk into them yet, has it?

    1. Re:iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How else are people going to know that the government is kept in line?

    2. Re:iPhones by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Somehow I doubt that the White House bought iPhone 5Cs, I would expect that they bought new phones rather than used phones.

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  8. Disposition Matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now Obama can print the Disposition Matrix in COLOR!

  9. WiFi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why in God's name does the White House have WiFi? If your work is important enough that you need to be updated on it, it's important enough that it needs to be over a secure pipe, even if it's not a classified network. WiFi is not secure. You might as well let people install packet sniffers in mirror ports on all the switch gear.

    1. Re:WiFi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i guess you have not heard of VPN's? They are often used to send sensitive data over insecure channels.

    2. Re:WiFi? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      In terms of sensitive data, I wouldn't trust a VPN over wi-fi for this level of security. Chances are Wi-Fi can be used with standard unclassified, and even medium security type of information. There is a lot of standard boring work going on too. It isn't all Top Secret huge decisions going across. A lot of it would be things like requesting time off from work, making sure the payroll is done, setting up an appointment for a weekly meeting with others.... That stuff VPN over Wi-Fi would be good enough. If someone would do the effort in hacking the VPN the value of the data would be rather minimal. I expect real secure data is still under a closed wired network.
      If they were smart, there wouldn't be a connection to the internet, however my experience probably will say otherwise.

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    3. Re:WiFi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I expect real secure data is still under a closed wired network. If they were smart, there wouldn't be a connection to the internet

      make sure you disable the indicator LED's on your wired network...

    4. Re:WiFi? by Orestesx · · Score: 2

      What good is a computer that is not connected to the internet? I see this suggestion all the time to air gap important stuff. But how do you expect to get anything interesting on or off the computer? Sure, if it's blueprints for an atomic bomb or missile launch codes, then air gap it. But what about intelligence briefings that need to be reviewed? Documents regarding military strategy? If people can't access this stuff, then it might as well not exist.

  10. Keep believing that. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

    . . . . as there are plenty of examples of classified, air-gapped systems leaking data to unclassified systems. To the point that there are standard procedures for a "spill" of classified data onto networks at lower levels of classification.

    1. Re:Keep believing that. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      . . . . as there are plenty of examples of classified, air-gapped systems leaking data to unclassified systems.

      Like when Hillary Clinton told her staff to remove the classified label from a document and send it to her by an insecure system?

      http://www.cbsnews.com/news/st...

      http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/...

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

    2. Re: Keep believing that. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The email was talking points and not everything sent securely is actually classified. Try again

    3. Re: Keep believing that. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The email was talking points and not everything sent securely is actually classified. Try again

      Ummmm, YOU "try again"

      Aide: They say they've had issues sending secure fax. They're working on it.

      Hillary: If they can't, turn into nonpaper with no identifying heading and send insecure

      Again: TURN INTO NONPAPER WITH NO IDENTIFYING HEADING AND SEND INSECURE.

      HILLARY!'S own words direct an aide to strip off the headers to a secure fax and send it insecure, you sycophantic piece of shit.

  11. many staff now tote iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Gawd ! Don't they know that those can be cracked ?

  12. With this administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the printers will only print in rainbows.

    1. Re: With this administration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol the president thinks gay people should have rights lol

  13. But are these printers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... super extra special, or do they insert yellow tracking dots like everyone else's?

    The rest of the teknologee has similar problems these days: Firmware even containing entire OSes running with more privileges than the OS you see before you, everything calling home, and so on, and so forth. Me, paranoid? No, we know these things happen. I'm asking if the white house managed to get special treatment on this. Probably not, though. Can't wait to see them getting blind-sided by policies they instituted themselves, as happened with the printers at least.

    1. Re:But are these printers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... super extra special, or do they insert yellow tracking dots like everyone else's?

      The rest of the teknologee has similar problems these days: Firmware even containing entire OSes running with more privileges than the OS you see before you, everything calling home, and so on, and so forth. Me, paranoid? No, we know these things happen. I'm asking if the white house managed to get special treatment on this. Probably not, though. Can't wait to see them getting blind-sided by policies they instituted themselves, as happened with the printers at least.

      The question is whether the Millennial-age techno hipsters in the tail end of the Obama administration were able to override the more senior people in technology who would have said no.

    2. Re:But are these printers... by dwywit · · Score: 1

      Why couldn't/wouldn't the govt supply contract include requirements for special firmware/drivers? A manufacturer includes "yellow dot" routines, or phone home/remote update routines in its normal software, it wouldn't have to spend a lot of money removing that code for a customised "govt approved" firmware/driver package. Otherwise they miss out on lucrative govt supply contracts. All the other equipment is wiped/formatted when the lease is up, why couldn't a printer be given a firmware update before disposal?

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  14. setting the trap by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    by uploading the bait

  15. And hacked by the Chinese in 3...2...1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Old analog tech sometimes has advantages. Why do you think the Navy still requires sailors to learn to navigate with a sextant?

    1. Re:And hacked by the Chinese in 3...2...1... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Old analog tech sometimes has advantages. Why do you think the Navy still requires sailors to learn to navigate with a sextant?

      Time travel.

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    2. Re:And hacked by the Chinese in 3...2...1... by steveg · · Score: 1

      I don't think "still" is the word you mean. "Again" comes closer. As I recall, they just started that back up again.

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    3. Re:And hacked by the Chinese in 3...2...1... by Niddix · · Score: 1

      They US Navy actually stopped teaching celestial navigation around 1995 and only recently started teaching it again. https://nakedsecurity.sophos.c...

  16. Next WH advance will be to not use printers at all by JoeyRox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why are they printing stuff when they all have laptops and tablets?

  17. Must've finally found a good deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From an old DAK Industries catalog.

  18. Truth-vs-fiction: which is more realistic? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

    I remember in House of Cards, the president wasn't allowed to use his game console. (Well, he could have it, but it wasn't about to be given any sort of network access.) But that was a TV show, and here's real life: where basically the same thing (iPhone) is allowed.

    TV takes things too seriously. If real life, government is all "meh, whatever."

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    1. Re:Truth-vs-fiction: which is more realistic? by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      In real life, government is all "meh, whatever."

      ...if you're really important or have a cosy relationship with whoever might otherwise make your life difficult. Whim also helps. Currently the federal government doesn't care as much about pot as it could, and enforces the laws for that more arbitrarily than it might have otherwise.

      Additionally it might help to avoid being:

      • a conservative leaning non-profit,
      • Hillary Clinton,
      • a former and unfavorable politician who committed a crime and was not a President,
      • a former and unfavorable President who committed a crime without a VP willing to pardon you when you get caught,

      And for the catchall:

      • poor.
    2. Re:Truth-vs-fiction: which is more realistic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a conservative leaning non-profit,

      A non-profit conservative or otherwise claiming to not be involved in politics so as to hide its donor list while using a name that makes it clear it was involved in politics.

      Drat. That's way to long for your average American to understand.

  19. Will they trash it if a Republican wins? by tomhath · · Score: 2

    The way the Clinton staffers did when they left?

    1. Re:Will they trash it if a Republican wins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That won't be necessary.

    2. Re:Will they trash it if a Republican wins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Removing the 'W' keys from all keyboards was funny.

    3. Re:Will they trash it if a Republican wins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that turned out to be a myth. I'm sure some pranks happened, but relatively little, compared to the normal and routine wear and tear in offices.

    4. Re:Will they trash it if a Republican wins? by Etcetera · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, that turned out to be a myth. I'm sure some pranks happened, but relatively little, compared to the normal and routine wear and tear in offices.

      Well, except not: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02360.pdf

      Damage, theft, vandalism, and pranks occurred in the White House
      complex during the 2001 presidential transition. Incidents such as the
      removal of keys from computer keyboards; the theft of various items; the
      leaving of certain voice mail messages, signs, and written messages; and
      the placing of glue on desk drawers clearly were intentional acts. However,
      it was unknown whether other observations, such as broken furniture,
      were the result of intentional acts, when and how they occurred, or who
      may have been responsible for them.

    5. Re:Will they trash it if a Republican wins? by johncandale · · Score: 2

      thats what fucktard Bush gets for losing the electatoral college and the popular vote and not conceding.

  20. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by captaindomon · · Score: 1

    We've been promised the paperless revolution for like 20 years now. But paper has been around for thousands of years and isn't going anywhere soon. For example, there is a huge amount of ceremony around the president signing legislation on paper. Even the pens he uses become mementos. Judging from my office, paper isn't going anywhere very soon.

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  21. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    We've been promised the paperless revolution for like 20 years now. But paper has been around for thousands of years and isn't going anywhere soon.

    I work in government IT. We're so paperless that I have to bring in my own pens and Post-It notes. We do get a paper calendar handed out at the beginning of each year.

  22. About 5 years ago by waspleg · · Score: 1

    I went to a meeting about going paperless. The first thing my boss did was go around and hand everyone a pamphlet about how we were going paperless.

    While it's probably less printing than it was before there is still quite a lot of printing where I work, as in cases of printer paper and dozens of cartridges per year.

  23. This will cost extra for no reason by houghi · · Score: 1

    99% of the stuff that needs to be printed does not need color. Most likely the machines are leased and not owned. That means most likely payment per print. Color is more expensive that black and white.

    That is why a lot of companies print default in black and more are using a code to print, so no unneeded prints are sitting useless at the printer.

    So not having color printers is not really an issue.

    That said, what might have been happened is that the lease was up and a new lease was signed. Newer printers (when looking at the same specs) will be cheaper than older ones and that way color could be cheaper than what they paid before.

    However a black and white printer would still be cheaper than a color printer even if the new color one is cheaper than the old b/w one.

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    1. Re:This will cost extra for no reason by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      99% of the stuff that needs to be printed does not need color.

      Are you kidding? Have you ever seen a Powerpoint presentation printed in B&W? It's horrible. All of those important colored bars, dots and lines just blend into a sea of low contrast grey. It's bad enough when the data is just financial reports from a Fortune 500 company, but this is the highest level of the US government.

      Just think if somebody printed out a map of the Middle East in B&W. It would be hard to differentiate borders - you might end up starting WWIII because you blew up the wrong country.

      No, color in this case is cheap. The world has too many shades of grey as it is.

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    2. Re:This will cost extra for no reason by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? Have you ever seen a Powerpoint presentation? It's horrible.

      FTFY

    3. Re:This will cost extra for no reason by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      99% of the stuff that needs to be printed does not need color.

      Are you kidding? Have you ever seen a Powerpoint presentation printed in B&W? It's horrible. All of those important colored bars, dots and lines just blend into a sea of low contrast grey. It's bad enough when the data is just financial reports from a Fortune 500 company, but this is the highest level of the US government.

      Just think if somebody printed out a map of the Middle East in B&W. It would be hard to differentiate borders - you might end up starting WWIII because you blew up the wrong country.

      No, color in this case is cheap. The world has too many shades of grey as it is.

      except that every printed thing ends up being copied on a b&w copier and disseminated sooner or later by somebody or other.
      the wise author chooses fills, brightness etc. for charts so that items are still distinguishable when copied grayscale, even if less immediately so.

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  24. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

    We've been promised the paperless revolution for like 20 years now. But paper has been around for thousands of years and isn't going anywhere soon. For example, there is a huge amount of ceremony around the president signing legislation on paper. Even the pens he uses become mementos. Judging from my office, paper isn't going anywhere very soon.

    Actually, the paperless revolution was supposed to happen at least 30 years ago - the promise probably being made 40 years ago with the arrival of personal computers. (20 years ago was 1996).

    The irony of the situation is that offices are consuming more paper than ever before - even more than before the promise of the paperless office.

    Yes, we don't have inter office memos and such, but it's more than made up for by the fact people print out a lot of documentation and because it's often sent out electronically, instead of sharing one printed copy, everyone gets their own, so one document which may be displayed on a slide for everyone to read is suddenly printed 3-4 times.

  25. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
    Yup...paperless doesn't really often work for me.

    Especially, if I have some documentation that I'll refer to more than a couple of times, I prefer to have a dead tree copy of it.

    I often make notes and doodle in the margins of the dead tree copies, and when I need to remember where something was, I can "see" these doodles and notations in my head, and know what document it was in and where I put it....

    I just can't track and as readily remember things like that on digital copies....to me, much harder to find things on a screen, especially with so many web pages of documentation buried on tons of little pages, rather than longer pages with more related info.

    I guess it is something that varies between person to person....but I"ve always been this way. When I was in college and HS...during tests, I could close my eyes, and "see" in my minds eye my pages in my notebooks and text books where I'd written notes or doodles...and turn he pages in my head to get to where the answers were....sure did help.

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  26. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by grumpy-cowboy · · Score: 1

    "The paperless office is as about as realistic as the paperless toilet!" - Keith Davidson

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  27. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    We've been promised the paperless revolution for like 20 years now.

    Ah, kids.

    When I was in elementary school in the late 1960s, my teacher talked about how companies like Weyerhaeuser and Georgia Pacific were worried that - thanks to computers - they'd be driven out of business within the next decade or so.

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  28. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    I work in government IT. We're so paperless that I have to bring in my own pens and Post-It notes. We do get a paper calendar handed out at the beginning of each year.

    It must differ according to local policy.

    I work for the DoD at a large west-coast military base. My office alone uses a full pallet of paper a year. I myself order several boxes of pens, and other assorted office products such as yellow legal pads, steno pads, bound log books, cases of post-its... We have a budget of around $15k a year for "office supplies"...

    I'm sorry, but the concept of a "paperless office" is not practical in a great number of situations.

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  29. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

    It must differ according to local policy.

    Some positions require getting work done, other positions require pushing paperwork. :)

  30. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    Some positions require getting work done, other positions require pushing paperwork. :)

    Hey, it is a DoD job...

    Thin Skinned response: Some positions require both, you insensitive clod...

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  31. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by Shortguy881 · · Score: 1

    It wont be long before we automate @#$ wiping. We'll have machines that can get up there and do a better job than any human, and won't use paper. Ultimately, this will be detrimental to the economy due to the loss of all those @%$ wiping jobs.

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  32. upgrade over the stopgap by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    the previous stopgap measure was temperamental and made strange sounds.

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  33. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by citylivin · · Score: 1

    Really? your office doesn't use paper anymore? i would love to hear what industry that is in!

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  34. Classifying excrement by mi · · Score: 1

    If doctors could establish your health status from excrement [...]

    Are you really trying to dispute the utility of stool and urine analysis to medical diagnosis?

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  35. Color printers are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...a toy.

  36. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    Paper mill

  37. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are Obama appointees. What makes you think they will use the printers for government business? They need to plan weddings, print pictures of their grandchildren, look at yoga outfits, etc.

  38. Hillary had an extra one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems to be the state of government IT. Why isn't she in jail?

  39. The security step function by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    When we buy a new printer or communications device, we have no need to think about that device in context with everything else we have. But in a high-security situation, it's probably easier to qualify whole integrating sets of upgraded technology at once than to go through the vetting process for each device in isolation.

  40. "welcometo1998"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been using bubblejet printers in 1995. Where were you?

  41. That's no help. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 0

    The new equipment better be made in the US and carefully examined by the folks like NSA afterwards.

    That's no help.

    Modern processors generally have hardware-level "remote administration" back doors built in (and non-deconfigurable).

    The chip vendors tout it as a feature.

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    1. Re:That's no help. by mi · · Score: 1

      Modern processors generally have hardware-level "remote administration" back doors built in

      Please, pardon my ignorance, but this is the first time I hear about it. Could you share a couple of links, please? Thank you.

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    2. Re:That's no help. by korgitser · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:That's no help. by mi · · Score: 1

      Ah, that... Well, it is done through TCP/IP — and is thus trivially controlled... Not a concern — certainly not, when NSA is helping you.

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  42. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Western culture isn't the only culture in the world. And in fact, we use some of the least efficient toilets in the least efficient manner. Get your head out of your ass and realize that not everything you were taught is the best way to do things.

  43. Nice try by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You Obamabots and Hill people are very deceptive.

    I dislike George W Bush rather intensely, but the honest truth is that when he was in office, Democrats were freaked-out and loudly complaining that the Bush administration was using government computers and e-mail for partisan political activities. They, rightly in my opinion, said that partisan political stuff belonged on personal systems or systems belonging to the party. As a result, the Bush admin and the GOP setup offsite servers and computers for POLITICAL activities and thus setup a hassle Democrats were grinning about: Every time somebody in the Bush White House had to deal with partisan stuff they had to waste time going to the other offices and use those systems and then return to the West Wing to get back to business. This was a big pain and the Democrats were enjoying the inconvenience they had imposed on the Bushies.

    Now, with Bushies out of office and Hillary caught doing GOVERNMENT business on private servers to apparently dodge the Freedom of Information laws and Constitutional congressional oversight, Democrats are demanding that the Bush people did something evil when they gave-in to Democrat demands regarding NON-GOVERNMENT activity. It's a deceit designed to create a false equivalence in the minds of stupid or inattentive people.

    1. Re:Nice try by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You Obamabots and Hill people are very deceptive.

      Meanwhile, you're conveniently overlooking former Bush appointees Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice for also having retroactively classified emails on personal devices. Why?

      The emails were discovered during a State Department review of the email practices of the past five secretaries of state. It found that Powell received two emails that were classified and that the "immediate staff" working for Rice received 10 emails that were classified.

      http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/hillary-clinton-email-classified-colin-powell-condoleezza-rice/

    2. Re:Nice try by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, "retroactively" is the key. As opposed to instructing staffers to remove classification markings and resend the content.

    3. Re:Nice try by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      As opposed to instructing staffers to remove classification markings and resend the content.

      What was the content? Talking points for a Sunday morning TV show. Much of the information was already in the public domain.

    4. Re:Nice try by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Also HUMINT, which is marked TOP SECRET//HCS

      https://www.google.com/search?...

      You know, the kind of stuff that leads to people dying in many countries?

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    5. Re:Nice try by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You know, the kind of stuff that leads to people dying in many countries?

      How many people are CONFIRMED DEAD from [Hillary | Marco | Ted]'s leaks to the news media?

      *crickets*

      That's what I thought.

    6. Re:Nice try by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Because the government will totally talk about things marked as TOP SECRET in the news media. If the leaks led to deaths, it would be hushed up, not screamed about in the news media.

      You know, kind of like in mission impossible, they will disavow you if you are captured. The US government doesn't talk about these things as it could lead to the outing of other projects and methods.

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    7. Re:Nice try by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Because the government will totally talk about things marked as TOP SECRET in the news media.

      Not the government, elected officials. Remember when Vice President Dick Cheney revealed Valarie Plame's identity as a CIA agent?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair#Dick_Cheney

  44. Surely by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

    Surely that's printers of color

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  45. Re:Next WH advance will be to not use printers at by dywolf · · Score: 1

    Somehow I'm not surprised that even the whitehouse is victim to the bureaucracy and slow speed of the GSA (or whomever administers theirs systems) and its IT contractors.

    We just got "new" computers in my lab.
    64bit Athlon's running at 1.5GHz, and a whopping 3GB of RAM.
    It absolutely screams compared to what it replaced: a 1.2GHz Athlon 32bit that had only 2GB of RAM.

    As to printers, we're still using some b/w HP laser workhorses that are ~20 years old.
    Near as I can tell the maintenance has never been performed on them. They jam regularly, hang daily.
    We might get replacements in the next year they tell us. But they said that 5 years ago too.

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