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Obama: The Word 'Classified' Means Whatever We Need It To Mean (techdirt.com)
An anonymous reader writes: During an interview with Fox News, President Obama said "There's classified, and then there's classified" when trying to answer questions about an ongoing investigation about Hillary Clinton and her emails. Techdirt writes, "Clinton sent, received and stored classified info on a private email server. But some classified info is more equal than others. It all depends on who has it and how the current administration feels about that person. Clinton playing fast and loose with classified info is subject to an entirely different standard than the large number of whistleblowers the Obama administration has prosecuted over the years." President Obama said in an interview broadcast on Sunday that while Hillary Clinton had been careless in managing her emails as secretary of state, she would never intentionally do anything to endanger the country. Obama says, "There's stuff that is really top-secret, and there's stuff that is being presented to the president or the secretary of state that you might not want on the transom, or going out over the wire, but is basically stuff that you could get in open-source." Basically, classification means all things to all people, as long as it allows officials and agencies to control narratives and disrupt public accountability.
I sure hope none of that is news to anyone, because it's what "classified" has meant for at least the last 70 years and probably a lot longer.
Anyone who thinks that "classified" means something like super duper secret is either uninformed or an idiot.
As Orwell said "but some animals are more equal than others".
Passionately Indifferent
that there is a different set of rules for the leaders in the democrat party than there are for the rest of us
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Some pigs are more equal than you.
"she would never intentionally do anything to endanger the country"
She is running for the presidency, isn't she?
Don't make this a partisan issue when it isn't one. I'm sure every administration back to Washington considered it their prerogative to manage secrets any way they want. Nothing surprising here at all.
For example, a lot of Classified info is really context sensitive. Someone's regular phone number in a phonebook could be classified information.. what would get you in trouble would be a document pointing that number out in specifics in a different context. And the government can retroactively classify anything.
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Why stop at Hilary? Nearly everyone in DC would serve the country better from a jail cell, be they Democrat or Republican.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Stingray is a system used by law enforcement to set up fake cell phone towers for the purposes of data collection.
I have no published "classified" information on a slashdot server that is not controlled by the government. I expect the FBI investigation into me to start promptly and an indictment to be handed out in a matter of months, anything less and it will show that I clearly have more rights to publish classified information that our public officials. Equality is what we want right? So if I'm not indicted soon then we equality is not what we got.
>> Obama said "There's classified, and then there's classified
The guy's a goof, but he's still one step less slimy than the couple that brought you "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
If you like your rule of law, you can keep your rule of law, right?
Trying to get Hillary Clinton off by changing the rules. Now he needs to pardon his friend Blago.
You keep using this word. I don't believe it means what you think it means
Sure. We know very well, that "Classified" may mean any of the restriction levels, most of which are not "super duper".
But it was still illegal (felonious) for Hillary Clinton to mishandle such material — and she knew it. She needs to be charged with the crime and convicted of it. President Obama can then show leniency and pardon her, if he wishes.
And if that costs Democrats the election, so be it — their own fault for giving the nation a choice between a Russia-manipulated crypto-Communist and a this spy-magnet.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
By all accounts Gen. David Petraeus was a straight shooting general who helped reform for the better the counter-insurgency strategy of the US military. He then was elevated to lead the CIA. By several accounts he fell out of favor with the president for arguing against policy changes made by the White House. Then he gets investigated after a suspected cyber security incident, which leads to agents uncovering an affair with his biographer, which leads them to uncover that he gave her his memoir which was classified.
Petraeus' biographer held a security clearance and there is no reason to believe national security was endangered. Especially not more than allowing classified documents to be sent to an email server in the Clinton's closet was. Looking at the letter of the law, what Clinton did was far more a transgression than what Petraeus did, in both quantity of classified material and the fact that electronic material was far more likely to be hacked and copied.
And the brazen manner in which Clinton directed her staff to strip the classified markings off of material and transmit them in an insecure channel in at least one instance. The time the classified fax machine was not working it is documented that she did this.
Obama has clearly set a double standard and with his pronouncement that national security was not harmed he is trying to influence, interfere and undermine the investigation of Hillary Clinton.
It's good to be the King.
in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
There are multiple levels of classified documents, which is nothing new. There are at least three distinct levels of classified information: confidential, secret, and top secret. Some information is only shared on a need to know basis, though that's not a distinct level. There's a big difference between Hillary being careless with confidential information and Hillary being careless with top secret information.
Something about glass houses...
They want us to follow the letter of the law or pay the price, they can do the same. If they don't believe in it, why should we? This is further proof that The President doesn't believe in the law, as if any further were required. Why should we?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
by some rent-a-cop government functionary for the slightest transgression when I got my security clearance. I had to walk by armed guards every day subject to search for improperly handled material. And, oh yeah, my security clearance application, along with millions of others, was recently obtained by Chinese hackers when they broke into the Office of Personnel Management. Our gutless leadership never retaliated. General Petreus career was ruined by transgressions 1/1000th those of Hillary's. She belongs and jail, and would be but for our hopelessly corrupt and diseased Justice Department.
Our great Leader, President Barack Hussein Obama, recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, through Whom only all our aspirations can and will become reality, has spoken. The issue is settled, the debate must stop. To keep arguing would mean doubting the good faith and wisdom of our great Leader, President, Barack Hussein Obama, recipient of the Nobel Prize, through Whom only all our aspirations can and will become reality, and that would be treasonous at best. I for one accept without condition the Truth as revealed by our great Leader, President, Barack Hussein Obama, recipient of the Nobel Prize, through Whom only all our aspirations can and will become reality, and will never doubt His hallowed and wise words.
I am not and I will never be counted among the malcontents. I can assure this great country and our great Leader, President, Barack Hussein Obama, recipient of the Nobel Prize, through Whom only all our aspirations can and will become reality, that I will be always faithful and will not hesitate to inform on any traitor expressing dissent and spreading malcontent among the populace.
US gov needs to be evacuated (med.)
Isn't that his same take on "there's illegal, then there's illegal".
I rarely read replies, it's my opinion and if you thought about your opinion a little more, I'm OK with that.
"...you can keep it."
It does not matter what is in the "Classified" documents. All that matters is that it is classified. The document could be totally redacted and only contain the word "the", but if it is listed as a classified document there are specific penalties for mishandling of said document. The problem is that like others have said, "Some pigs are more equal than you."
When I was in the army, classified meant fucking CLASSIFIED, as in only on secure systems and not disclosed to anyone. Nice to know there's a double standard.
"She would never intentionally put America in any kind of jeopardy"
That's the question.
If it were a case of choosing between her political safety and the country, what would she do?
Probably depends on the case.
In the case of choosing to control the mail server, she made a choice.
Maybe too big to jail may is not just for bankers.
security wonk rule of thumb:
you need to control access to/the flow of "sensitive" information and therefore establish policies. Once policies are established they must be enforced. There isn't any allowance for "intent" - was the information "sensitive" were the policies violated. It isn't that complicated ...
It ain't what they call you. It's what you answer to. http://mylyceum.us/
But I did skull-fuck her until I blew all over her dress.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
I'm sure Patraeus didn't want to hurt the country, either, but it didn't save him from his felony charge and subsequent plea deal.
...the "rule of law" is out the window and executive (royal) fiat decides what is punishable and what is not. To be fair to our current President, his predecessor laid most of the groundwork in this area, and the Congress formalized those huge steps away from Constitutional government with the Patriot Act. For not the first time, I must say that I am ashamed of many things about my country.
It is a single party issue.
Nixon - Resigned for suggesting using IRS to target political opponents.
(D) Obama - Actually USED the IRS to target political opponents, no issue.
Bernie Madoff - Investment scam making people lose millions, in jail for life.
(D) John Corzine - Lost $600 million, to this day he can't explain where it went, no punishment.
You - Don't pay taxes and IRS will make your life hell.
(D) Geitner, Rangle, Daschle, Clinton - Failed to pay taxes, on purpose, and no punishment.
It is a one party issue on this. Not that the Rs are doing any one any favors, but the outright blatant corruption without any kind of repercussions is from a single party. Hell, Bill Clinton sold missile secrets to China for donations to the DNC, it even went public and was in a Gore presidential debate and nothing happened (illegal sale of classified info, illegal foreign political donations, and on and on)
Yea, it is a single party issue.
she would never intentionally do anything to endanger the country.
she would never do anything to endanger those in power.
If there was an interest to protect the country all he would have to do is respect the US constitution. Now the US has kangaroo courts, secret lists of accused, police asset seizure without court sanctioned warrant, and so on....
The US is just like Russia and China. Whatever is needed to keep those in power in power.
DRM? No thanks, I'll just get it somewhere else...
Hillary once said that if you were against the 1%ers and the politically/economically well-connected people who "had it made" then you should be for her.
Cause she's a 1%er who has it made....
Prosecutorial discretion is a legal principle that predates the Constitution, and exists for many good reasons, not least of which is preventing the needless use of state resources. Similarly, we give discretion to police in their exercise of power, and we give discretion to juries in deciding whether to convict. It may be convenient for your current political agenda to have things be otherwise, but you should probably understand that if there were to be language in the Constitution regarding this subject, it would far more likely preserve this principle than dispose of it. I honestly don't have any idea how this will play out, personally; I'm just here for the show.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Hillary put our agents lives and our nation's secrets in the hands of our enemies, all because she felt that she didn't have to abide by the same laws as every other government employee in America. Hillary Clinton represents everything that is soulless and wrong about career politicians.
that were classified are still classified. It's illegal for some people to talk about those documents outside of SCIFs, since the documents are classified TS/SCI/SI. They've been published on the front page of the Washington Post, but are still classified.
And then there's the lovely practice of retroactive classification. Sometimes a document can be classified after it's been publicly disseminated.
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Why stop at Hilary? Nearly everyone in DC would serve the country better from a jail cell, be they Democrat or Republican.
And that is exactly why Trump and Sanders are so strong - Trump is definitely not of the government elite, and Sanders has kept true to his roots.
A lot of people are totally fed up with those "elites". Democrats (in general) run for office promising to pass strict gun control laws and stop NSA wiretaps. Once they get int office, they don't do squat about passing gun control laws (you can debate the constitutionality of such laws all you want - irrelevant to this argument) and expand NSA wiretaps. Republicans claim to be for smaller government (in general) but "play fight" with Democrats and wind up growing the government anyway.
Nevermind the corrupt, revolving-door nature of senior government people moving to and from leadership in corporations, law firms, and unions.
President Obama said in an interview broadcast on Sunday that while Hillary Clinton had been careless in managing her emails as secretary of state, she would never intentionally do anything to endanger the country.
A similar thing happened to me recently. I got a little careless in managing my speed on the highway, but I would never intentionally do anything to endanger other drivers. So citing the President's logic I will not be paying the fine I received. Is that how it works now?
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
Hey SLASHDOT, starting today it's impossible to view AC posts using TBB, neither with or without Javascript. Search also doesn't return full results, even set at -1. Can you fix that?
Strictly, "classified" means that a particular document has been assigned to a class. This includes things that are classified as "for public release". When the press discussing the Clinton servers says "classified" documents, they are trying to say that the documents have been assigned to a class associated with secrecy and national security, for which the US has three: confidential, secret, and top secret. It doesn't sound as though there's been a claim that Clinton's e-mail server had content in one of those classes pass through it. Though it's unclear (mostly due to bad reporting), it seems that she's being faulted for handling administratively classified information, that is to say, documents classified as "restricted", "unofficial", "for official use only", "no foreign dissemination", and "sensitive but unclassified".
Obama is quite correct in making a distinction. The legal requirements for handling, and ramifications of mis-handling the different types of classified documents is substantially different based on the classification.
Stupid Republican response.
Nixon resigned to avoid being impeached for the Watergate break in. A criminal act, which Ford pardoned him of.
Reagan used the IRS to target opponents. Had the CIA sell Colombian cocaine to fund weapons deals congress would approve. Enacted laws that targeted opponents.
Nixon started the war on drugs to target "blacks and hippies"
the list goes on and on
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
3 possibilities for the Presidents words seem possible
1. An FBI report is coming which will call for legal action against Hillary and he is floating a trial balloon to see if he can get away with no action on his part.
or
2. The President misspoke.
or
3. The President is very undecided about Hillary and her fate.
If it were one of us who set up our own email server to send our work-related classified emails to, in order to ensure our own privacy and evade public records requests, we would be on year 3 of a federal prison term.
Classified, shmassified. Any classification of emails whatsoever would have been grounds for immediate revocation of security clearance, firing from your federal job, and prosecution by a hardass prosecutor who would not budge an inch because he knows he has you cold.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
and out to destroy the country at the worst, he's not technically wrong on this point. Many times it equates to less paperwork and technical hassle to just class an entire system as "classified" because you can't legally mix classified and non-classified electronics - if anything on it is classified EVERYTHING on it is classified. None of this excludes what Clinton did - her whole system was classified if anything on it was, but from a purely practical standpoint there is effectively "classified" and "classified by association." notepad.exe certainly isn't classified, it's on all Windows machines by default - but if a thumbdrive containing a classified document was ever plugged into the machine then either the entire machine is from that point fourth "classified" and treated as such or the operator is in a world of shit.
It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.'
I can't wait for the waves of huge surplus office equipment and furniture auctions after large buildings in DC are emptied.
No, that won't be happening. But I'm a dreamer, and I'm not the only one.
He's a member of the Regressive party. Logic lies beyond him.
Antigun laws tend to be passed at the local and state level, usually by Democrats or left-leaning Republicans. Occasionally those laws are overthrown in court.
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It's pathetic when we see the President skirting laws and circumventing the other branches of government, now he's coming up with his own definitions of the classification of documents. This will still go down as the worst 8 years in US history. Republican or Democrat you have to wince when this fucking moron speaks.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
If I create a grocery list from the weekly flyer, and the CIA comes along to classify my grocery list, does my grocery list contain classified information?
This was what the CIA did when they classified several Hillary emails about the not-so-secret drone program in Afghanistan that was based on public information in the media.
>> she would never intentionally do anything to endanger the country ...but she did. Or has "I didn't intentionally mean to..." now become a valid excuse for every illegal activity?
I can't believe that we're still expected to vote for Hilary, I mean since she is clueless enough to do this, do we REALLY want her making key decisions around running the whole country? Hell no.
Depends on what your definition of classified is.
Top Secret - data, that, if released, would cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security
Secret - same thing, but "serious" damage
Confidential - damage to national security.
For Official Use Only - not classified, but not for public release.
Additionally, there are "caveats" that restrict distribution to certain groups, and Special Access / Compartments (aka SCI) that one needs to be specifically approved for, and briefed into. . .
"There's classified, and then there's classified"
There's rape, and then there's rape.
Have you ever fallen asleep at the keybhanusdiog?
No amount of vocal inflection can change the fact that "There's classified, and then there's classified" is a circular definition, autologic and rhetoric. Unless, of course there is "super classified," "super-duper classified" and possibly "hyper-uber-super-double-secret-probation-classified." Tautologically speaking, classified is pretty much classified, unless you reclassify it.
I would be held to the highest standard and likely be charged with a crime if I hosted my own server and handled classified material in this way - it would not matter what classified "meant", it would only matter that it was classified in any way.
"The Official Secrets Act is not there to protect Secrets, it is there to protect Officials."
It is looking more and more apparent that we have moved from the rule of law, to the rule of man.
Our servants should not be above those that they serve...
So much for justice for all...
Welcome to subjugation.
Clinton's buddy Blumenthal had top secret classified information from the CIA, in the same wording they used, that he sent Clinton within 15 minutes of them publishing the report to people with clearance. It was CIA material, not State Department, with classified headings when it was released, sent to her server within 15 minutes of it being released.
To this day no one has publically told how Blumenthal, with zero security clearance, got ahold of CIA top secret documents that quickly. Clinton failed to report getting the information on her non-classified servers.
When I arrived here (in the US) it was *Heaven*
It was so different from the place I was from
The laws were laws, and anyone, including the President, when they violate the law, got prosecuted --- and that did happen, to Nixon
Couple of decades on, I, an immigrant, starting to feel something wasn't right
I did not know if it was me or if it was the world, but something was not right
More and more I noticed that laws were not followed, more and more I noticed people got off scot free, just because they could (by rank, by money, by connection, or all of the above)
And then we have Obama --- the ultimate antithesis of what America is all about (at least to me)
Law is not law, Constitution is shit, Privacy is a joke, Bill of Rights? Fuck it!
(shaking my head)
I dunno man ... the time I escaped China the laws turned into shit. Everything was fucked up, cars had to stop on green light and proceed on red light because "Red is our color"
I have that feeling - when I went back to China for business trips - that China has been improving - not everything is upside down in China
But when I came back to America ... more things are getting upside down --- culminating in Obama's latest 'words of wisdom'
The other day Obama told us to let Big Brother in if we want online protection (see my submit at ... "There's classified, and then there's classified"
https://slashdot.org/submissio... which Slashdot decides not to publish), and now
What the fuck is that, man?
Is this still the United States of America which I used to know? Or has the US gone total bonker?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
That's why the investigation is taking so long: the rules for "classified" are vague, arbitrary, inconsistent, poorly documented, and basically fscked up.
They really need a working group to study and clean up the rules and procedures, not a criminal investigation. It's hard to bust somebody for vaguing the fuzz.
Table-ized A.I.
You can never get out.
"Classified", means whatever we don't want the peasants to know because they would be angered by our abusive and criminal enterprises.
Wow, Deja vu all over again, (sorry Yogi). The check must have cleared or big "O" is just trying to keep up his end of the contract as he attempts to redifine classified in a manner similar to the way Slick Willy attempted to legally redefine "sex" in a desperate attempt to dodge the consequences of his quid pro quo sex for promotion agenda. Remember kiddies, it was not about a sitting US President having sex with a women his daughters age. It was about President Clinton extorting sexual favors as a condition for a promotion.
There is classified, then there is "might be a grey area".....should you be too important to get in trouble for it.
That's Humina's job
Translation: "I'm altering the bargain. Pray I don't alter it any further."
Eternity: will that be smoking, or non-smoking? I Corinthians 6:9-10
You mean like when Sandy Berger was stuffing "secret" Clinton docs down his pants to smuggle them out of the National Archive? THAT kind of secret?
http://www.spectacle.org/0804/...
"...Sandy Berger the former Clinton Administration National Security Advisor, said he made a "mistake" and was just "sloppy" when an FBI investigation revealed that he had stolen Top Secret memos and documents from the National Archives relating to the events surrounding al-Qaida attacks on America during the 1990s and in the year 2000. Archive security notified the FBI when they discovered documents missing, and saw Berger stuffing papers into his pants, socks, and a leather briefcase.
Upon investigation, Berger admitted that he had "made a mistake," and took them. Unfortunately, Berger says he "lost" some of the documents, but that he returned some of them after his the FBI searched his home. Amazingly, he even returned some documents that the Archive hadn't yet noted were missing! He apologized and said he had just been "sloppy...."
-Styopa
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.'
"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said. Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't - till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!' " "But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
Obama has now declared that he is willing to bend (or break) as many laws as necessary to make sure that Clinton is the nominee. Much like Trump is for the Republicans, Bernie Sanders is the Democrats worst nightmare. Obama loves to talk about "change" but everything just stays the same. The same corruption, consultants and political hacks. Nothing changes at all.
If either Trump or Sanders get elected President the entire Washington apple cart gets turned on its ear. The establishment Democrats don't want that and neither do the Republicans. Because all those cushy lobbyist jobs will disappear, or at least get reigned in. The legalized bribery as we know it will come to an end. Good for Americans...not so good for sleazy lobbyists.
Obama is basically telling the FBI Director, in political-eze, to sweep the Clinton investigation under the rug. Nothing to see here. Clear the path for more business as usual. It's a fucking outrage is what it is.
If whether or not something is classified is dependent on how someone feels about something, then the status of a fact, item or document as being classified has the same basis as Donald Trump's stated net-worth. The implication here is that, as he has stated his net-worth depends on how he's feeling moment to moment, that the true, actual net valuation of all of Donald Trump's assets, minus his liabilities is...
CLASSIFIED.
In an interview with Stuart Varney, Judge Andrew Napolitano (BA Princeton University, JD University of Notre Dame) explains that the term "classified" isn't even used as a marking:
In an interview with Stuart Varney, Judge Andrew Napolitano (BA Princeton University, JD University of Notre Dame) explains that the term "classified" isn't even used as a marking:
As I recall, near the end of the movie, the antagonist senator is making fun of Mark Wahlberg's character because the senator got away with illegal activity and he says:
"The truth is what I say it is!"
Take this sig and smoke it.
Classified is Classified.
Classified describes an I them that has gone through the classification process. State department has two email systems, one public, one secure - material that has gone through the classification process and is now classified ('confidential', 'secret' or 'top secret') can only me shared via secured means. Hillary Clinton *never* touched the secure email system in her four years at State, she exclusively used her own private, insecure email server. At various times she received emails that contained emails from her staff that contained previously classified material her staff had 'cut and pasted' from the secure email system to the insecure one so they could send the classified material to Secretary Clinton - this happened over 1,000 times. At least one time that we know of, because Secretary Clinton turned over an email with this exchange in it, Secretary Clinton directed her subordinate to print out information from the secure email system then scan it into an insecure email system to send it to her. There is material which by it's very nature is 'classified' without ever going through a classification process - for example, spy satellite imagery, as I recall there were a couple instances of spy satellite imagery in her insecure email account which she turned over to State department for review. Hillary Clinton, first as a Senator, later as Secretary of State had training in the proper handling of classified information, and she agreed to protect all classified material she came in contact with, marked or not. Finally, out of her interest in simplifying her daily routines, Hillary chose to hire an individual, pay him a monthly stipend out of her own pocket, AND secure for him a full-time political appointment job in the IT department at State, rather than simply use the government email system... An interesting choice, since the guy she choose to run her email server was even on the payroll in the State IT department!
It sure looks like Hillary Clinton engaged in a conspiracy to migrate classified information off of the secure network and onto her insecure email server. She instructed subordinates to summarize information and send it as new emails, which of course were not marked as classified.
She's not dumb and she's a lawyer, so she knew what she was doing was illegal.
"ops" means the "operations" group in the State Department, where apparently Hillary Clinton had people reading emails on the secure system and then sending a summary to her insecure server. "converting" to the unclassified email system.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423417/hillary-staffer-wary-sending-classified-info-just-email-it-andrew-c-mccarthy
http://nypost.com/2016/01/24/hillarys-team-copied-intel-off-top-secret-server-to-email/
Some of the emails were "SAP" classified. Some were "HCS-O".
http://bigstory.ap.org/e19abf78b6fe43e7b7719f059901630d
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413033/Hillary-s-emails-contained-classified-information-HUMAN-SPYING-State-Department-says-won-t-meet-deadline-publish-emails.html
If that last story is correct, Hillary Clinton's personal email server could have lead to disastrous consequences or death for real human beings. We're way, way beyond anything excusable.
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
Like usual, a bunch of civilians talking about things they have 0 experience without doing any research spinning events to conform to their own uneducated feels. Stay in school kids.
Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage outed her to Washington journalist Bob Novak by mistake while chatting about gossip during an interview.
Furthermore, Justice Department prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald pretty much knew this from the beginning of his investigation, but kept it secret during a two year witch hunt trying to "get" any Republican he could for any transgression he could make stick. He "got" Scooty Libby for something very minor and if that same standard were applied to someone like Mrs. Clinton she would already have her butt in jail.
Geesh, leftists never let facts get in the way of a good smear job.
Read some facts if you can stand doing so: http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/10903-the-truth-about-the-valerie-plame-case-finally-emerges
...as if to imply unintentional, lazy, innocent. I'm not that that stupid and I hope you aren't either.
Be smart enough to understand that the purpose of using a non-official email server is to keep those communications outside the reach of FOIA requests.
that Hillary ever sent email known by her to be classified.
So much for indictment.
No "Intent"
Fuck this website.
Sec. Clinton's released e-mails are searchable on line from the State Dept. at https://foia.state.gov/Search/... There are e-mails that are marked classified. One example: search for "hrc memo israel ideas" It's marked confidential. There are many others.
Here's one document, marked classified (confidential) that she received. Yes, she read and then forwarded many such messages. https://foia.state.gov/Search/...
Bush43 had degrees from BOTH Harvard and Yale, and while in the Texas Air National Guard he flew the notoriously tough F-102, which was why he was able to fly the Navy jet out to the carrier many years later as President (though, as a former Navy man, I'll point out that he had a Naval aviator in the second seat and most certainly did NOT do the trap... air force drivers need loooooong straight immobile runways...)
The entire Bush family has problems with the English language that I certainly will never understand, but you're attacking Bush for lack of intelligence while the evidence is that he's far smarter than Hillary and Bernie and probably you too. He's better educated than both Al Gore and Barack Obama. The problem is not so much that Bush is or is not intelligent. He was in the political arena so, honestly, his competition was rather poor - and it's all relative; to succeed you do not need to be SMART - just smarter than your competitors. In this case you "outed" yourself by presuming one of the dumbest women in world history (see how easy that is?) is obviously smarter, when in fact there is no evidence for this at all. Everything Hillary has ever touched turned to mud. Her kindergarten-level "Reset Button" with Russia was something straight out of a Monty Python twit sketch. When her "3AM phonecall" moment arrived, she let her people die and then blamed it all on a film maker and had HIM jailed for a year. She has "lost" more legal and government papers than most people will ever see and has said under oath that she "cannot recall" nearly every important detail of nearly every event in her political career.
Hillary's resume is (1) married to a governor. (2) married to a president (3) given a Senate seat the party was holding open for JFK Jr who made the mistake of killing himself in his plane (4) given the Secretary of State job even though she had no education/training for it. By this reckoning, Dr Ben Carson's wife is apparently a highly-qualified neurosurgeon!
Bernie's resume is (1) young commie who honeymooned in Russia during the Cold War (2) Mayor of Burlington (3) Congressman (3) Senator. All three elected positions in actual seats he had to campaign for, not seats handed to him by the party as a carpetbagger as with Hillary. Like Hillary, he has little real-world non-political experience of note, but he's a hundred times more qualified for President than she is, having gotten his current and previous government positions by legitimate, competitive effort.
Trump's built and has been successfully running a massive multi-billion dollar global company for decades and is by all accounts smart and well educated - he's mostly attacked for his positions or the tone of his comments NOT for IQ or resume.
Ted is widely acknowledged to be one of the smartest guys in DC, even famous Democrat lawyer Alan Dershowitz says Ted was one of his smartest law school students. He served in the Bush admin as a mid-to-low level guy, then as Solicitor General for the state of Texas where he racked-up an impressive record of successes arguing cases before the SCOTS, then went to the US Senate. His resume is solid but almost as short as Obama's was.
John is a bit of a wonky nothing-burger. He's a governor with executive experience and was a member of congress, so on paper he has a fantastic resume, but the man has no particular ideological tether so he blows like the wind, which probably places him at the Clinton/Bush level on the IQ scale.
NONE of these people is a brain surgeon (there WAS one running this year) or a rocket scientist (it would have been funny to have put Carson on a ticket with a former astronaut or running mate, just so we could say we did it (smile) ). This garbage you left-leaners continually toss about that every Republican is a moron simply because he/she disagrees with you, rather than because he/she is actually dumber than the alternatives, actually says a lot more about you and your personal issues and rash unfounded presumptions than about any of the politicians in or running for office.
The part you're missing that's unique to tye Obama admin is this: previous administrations have not resorted to entirely secret interpretations of the law like this one has, like their interpretation of the patriot act that has allowed for the modern surveillance state.
the summary is absolutely right in that silly classifications muck with accountability. silly classifications have been the name of the game since the Bush administration, unless you consider keeping people in Guantanamo over classified newspaper clippings--literally--to be the height of accountability
Never has. Especially after the '08 campaign and the mess she made for him as Sec. State. He'd much rather have Sanders replace him, but can't completely throw Hillary under the bus because as much as he dislikes her, he does want the next President to be a Democrat. Still, the DoJ hasn't been doing her any favors.
The minute a Republican president tries that shit, you watch the Dems lose their ever loving minds. Bloody moronic hypocrites.
Why can't we just crucify every liberal and Democrat in America? We'd be so much better off.
I used to declassify about 2/3 of all the documents that subordinates had over-classified, back in the day.
It's all a moving target. Your allies of one year (Saudi Arabia) may be your prime sponsors of global terrorism and instability the next (Saudi Arabia).
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This is so Clintonesque of Obama. Is guess it depends on what you mean by the word IS.... The Washington oligarchy here in the US needs to be drop kicked back to Kansas!
"There's news, then there is news."
Teaching others how psychopaths work in society. Fucking criminal
You were going for funny, but...
For a guy who was diligent enough in his own defense to quibble over the definition of the word "is", he really blew it with that claim. Unlike the subject of your post, what he actually said to the American people was, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." - emphasis mine. If he were to have used the term "sex" instead of "sexual relations", he would have had an out by claiming that fellatio isn't sex. I would disagree with that reasoning, but it's at least plausible that some people hold a very strict concept of "sex" as penile penetration of a vagina. However, he said "sexual relations", which covers a whole range of activities, certainly including fellatio. But for that, it wouldn't be as cut-and-dry to call him a liar.
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0bama's remarks are a good example of what is meant by 'rule of man', not law.
They knew this trick back in the time of Roman Empire.
Bread and Circuses: bribe the population with free bread and distract them with circuses whilst the rulers do whatever they want.
Casteism
Clinton's "relationship" with "that woman" was a clear case of sexual harassment--even if she was 100% on board with it. According to many Democrat feminists, it was rape plain and simple.
According to Democrats, a man in the workplace who is in a position of authority over a woman (such as Pres. Clinton had over Ms. Lewinsky) cannot have sex with such a woman without it being a blatant abuse of that authority. There is an inherent threat of retaliation if the "affair" goes south. Indeed, since there is an inherent threat of retaliation if the woman refuses it would be tantamount to forcing her to have sex, ergo, rape.
Further, he can lie to his wife about an affair, but what Clinton did was perjury. As a sitting President, he lied under oath to a federal grand jury about something as stupid as his "affair".
Nothing excuses Nixon's actions. But to downplay Clinton's actions as telling a little fib about getting blown in the Oval Office is disingenuous.
Obama's administration seems to be adverse to prosecuting crimes within the elite circle of his "friends." Remember, Jamie Dimon, criminal at large, wore presidential cufflinks to flaunt Obama's support while lying under oath to the Congressional investigation of the financial collapse.
Now, when a former cabinet member has clearly broken the law, Obama once again changes the "rules" to accommodate criminal behavior.
The U.S. fails "the rule of law" and allows white collar criminals to skate.
With what Obama has declared we might be able to declare that both Petraeus and Snowden are cleared of exposing "classified" materials...or that the exposure of "classified" material is of no real consequence and just let it go...
One might be able to make a reasonable argument that they were not aware of some data being classified if it were marked incorrectly or not at all
That is not a reasonable argument. Hillary uses it because it merely sounds reasonable to those who have never been trained to handle classified.
Fact is, improperly marking classified info is an additional criminal charge, above and beyond having classified info on a server that's not air-gapped from the internet.