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Slashdot Asks: Does It Matter That We've Reached Peak Smartphone?

Gizmodo, in its typical sensational voice, ran a story this week in which it argues that smartphones are in a "ridiculously boring place" right now. Alex Cranz with the publication expresses her discontent with some of the recently launched smartphones such as the iPhone SE, the LG G5, and the Galaxy S7. "These devices have not redefined the way we phone, nor have they blown us away with unprecedented speeds, or wowed us with extraordinary battery life. Each of these new phones is merely a marginal improvement over last year's model." I agree with most of what Cranz has to say. In the past one year, we've seen QHD display panel, Snapdragon 810/820 SoC, 3 to 4GB of RAM becoming a norm. Nearly every manufacturer has reached that point, and then sort of stopped there. Compared to the Nexus 4, for instance, the Nexus 6P offers a significant improvement. But when compared to anything you purchased two years ago -- in the echelon of your choice -- the latest offering isn't going to leave a big impression on you. The industry is currently making small noises about what it thinks could be the next big thing. Some players including Samsung and Lenovo believe that it could be the virtual reality addon. We will have to see how much traction that gets.

My contention with Cranz's story is that it doesn't talk about how these devices are impacting people's lives, hence missing the big picture. I believe that it doesn't necessarily matter if our smartphones aren't going to get any smarter. The first-generation Moto G, from a few years ago, can also help you quickly get information from the Web, and it can also allow you to book a cab using Uber app, and do pretty much everything that you do on a flagship smartphone. As Venture Capitalist Fred Wilson pointed out last month, the next "second smartphone revolution" could enhance the lives of millions of people in places such as Asia, where most of the population still doesn't have a smartphone. When you look at that, it becomes unnecessary to talk about the top-of-the-line specs and the rate at which these smartphones are receiving incremental improvements. The vast majority of people in the emerging world are in a desperate need of a bare-bone smartphone that allows them to make phone calls, even if it doesn't do it in a "redefined" fashion, and works with speeds that don't blow them away, a couple of things that I think we are taking for granted. Wilson wrote: The first 2.5bn smartphones brought us Instagram, Snapchat, Uber, WhatsApp, Kik, Venmo, Duolingo, and most importantly, drove the big web apps to build world class mobile apps and move their userbases from web to mobile. But, if you stare at the top 200 non-game mobile apps in the US (and most of the western hemisphere) you will see that the list doesn't look that different than the top 200 websites. The mobile revolution from 2007 to 2015 in the west was more about how we accessed the internet than what apps we used, with some notable and important exceptions. The next 2.5bn people to adopt smartphones may turn out to be a different story. They will mostly live outside the developed and wealthy parts of the world and they will look to their smartphones to deliver essential services that they have not been receiving at all -- from the web or from the offline world. I am thinking about financial services, healthcare services, educational services, transportation services, and the like. Stuff that matters a bit more than seeing where you friends had a fun time last night or what it looks like when you faceswap with your sister.At this moment, it does seem to me that over the coming months, our smartphones are unlikely to get a major hardware boost. The biggest milestone we have on the horizon is what happens when everyone has these smartphones, and how does it impact our businesses, culture, and social lives. What's your take on this? Do you think we are yet to reach the peak point in the smartphone world? What's the big picture in your opinion?Update: 04/23 18:55 GMT by M :Robotech_Master's take on this is pretty insightful.

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  1. By this argument... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... we reached peak laptop 5 years ago and peak desktop almost 10 years ago. Mature products, mature market. I'm not certain people would pay for a release that just improved stability and battery life, so expect some dodgy "features" over the next year or three.

    1. Re:By this argument... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... laptops continue to find new smaller form factors, which is a key element of using a laptop. so, no, you cannot apply that logic to "peak laptop"

      Desktops have not particularly gotten faster in the last 4 years , but a 10 year old desktop will struggle to do web browsing. So 5 years ago we did probably reach peak desktop, but not 10.

      Smart phones absolutely have nowhere to go without adding something major like interactive projections or holography.

      I am still using a Galaxy S4 and it is lightning fast, doing everything I could ever want it to do, with a higher screen DPI than any monitor I have seen anywhere in person.

    2. Re:By this argument... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      And for neither of the two, we've made any actual leaps as to what we're running on those things. Besides that, people will surely continue to buy new phones... To replace the old ones that got broken. That's still a huge market. Like over a billion units per year.

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    3. Re:By this argument... by skinklizard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For most people, we reached 'peak desktop' when SSD's became widespread and cheap enough to be the primary drive in a reasonable system. They're using their PC for web browsing and not much else. In the PC side of the equation, we still have to make the jump to high resolution displays. Apple might me there already but the majority of Windows users are still at the same 1920x1080 resolution they were 5 years ago.

    4. Re:By this argument... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Peak Desktop? Desktop is the only thing that hasn't hit peak because you don't have power considerations, GPU technology is still developing quite rapidly, and other mesh inspired computer solutions.

    5. Re:By this argument... by war4peace · · Score: 2

      I would not say that's true from any point of view.
      For desktop market, for example, compare 2006-era GPUs with 2016-era GPUs.

      2006 GPUs:

      - Nvidia GeForce 7950 GX2:
      Core: 48 pixel pipes (24 per GPU), 500MHz
      Memory: 1GB (512MB per GPU), 600MHz
      - ATI Radeon X1950 XTX
      Core: 16 pixel pipelines (48 pixel shaders), 650MHz
      Memory: 512MB, 1GHz

      2016-era GPUs:
      - nVidia Pascal:
      15.3 Billion transistors;
      64 SPs per Compute Unit
      3840 CUDA Cores (60 CUDA Units)
      FP32 Compute: ~12 TFLOPs (Tesla)
      FP64 Compute: 5.5 TFLOPs(Tesla)
      RAM: 16 / 32 GB HBM2
      Maximum Bandwidth: 1 TB/s

      I assume the performance ratio could reach 100:1 easily in some areas. I'd say that's quite some improvement during the last 10 years.
      The same applies to monitors: 10 years ago, CRT monitors were still ubiquitous. Today, anything less than 1080P LED is below average.

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    6. Re:By this argument... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Desktops still have resolution to improve on (I'm on a 27" Retina iMac, it's great), but laptops? I threw an SSD in mine, vintage 2009, and it's fine. Laptops passed the "good enough" point a while back.

    7. Re:By this argument... by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      yes we can apply to peak laptop, laptops would be used even if there were no "sleek thin" ones, that's just a convenience feature for user. we've past peak laptop

    8. Re:By this argument... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Overpriced video cards aren't driving the market. They aren't compelling enough to enough people to keep the bottom of the market falling out.

      Most PC users are content with whatever default resolution that Windows gives them. They've been underutilizing PC hardware since at least 2006. So LCD vs LED is not a big deal either.

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    9. Re:By this argument... by Altrag · · Score: 1

      While you're not wrong, you're kind of answering the wrong question.. We're not really looking at peak performance (never mind limiting ourselves to one specific component,) but peak sales.

      A decade is probably a bit too long, but any PC that could handle Win7 reasonably well -- so ~7ish years -- will still handle the vast majority of today's applications reasonably well.

      Sure if you're into high end gaming (or a few select GPU-heavy industries like 3D animators) then the improvements over the past decade are going to be super awesome.. but the average person who lives almost exclusively in Email/Word/Youtube aren't really going to notice much difference.

      That's why laptops started chunking into the desktop market back in days of yore, and why tablets (and even phones) have been chunking into both the laptop and desktop markets -- performance has been sufficient for many users for a long time now (and getting more and more toward most as the tablet apps get closer to their PC counterparts.) Convenience is much more of a selling point than performance nowadays.

      Even in the game industry, mobile sales are having a huge huge impact -- to the extent that WoW's decline has been attributed more to users going mobile than because of any of the perennially-announced "WoW-killers" that rarely even got a noticeable market share or any of the "end of WoW" predictions made by idiots who apparently base their entire viewpoint on year-before-release betas. (Which isn't to say there's zero natural decline on a 12 year old game of course, just that mobile/casual has become so widespread that the entire AAA demographic has shrunk in general. Most other games don't see the decline because very few manage to retain significant popularity after 12 years no matter what the market does.)

    10. Re: By this argument... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      64GB+ storage or SD card slot

      I'd change that one thing to 2TB MicroSD card; in a couple years (at the most) they'll be available for beer money.

    11. Re:By this argument... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Desktops have not particularly gotten faster in the last 4 years , but a 10 year old desktop will struggle to do web browsing. So 5 years ago we did probably reach peak desktop, but not 10.

      None of this is talking about computing power, just features. There really hasn't been much in the way of new features for desktops in 10 years - as another poster mentioned, other than SSDs becoming mainstream it's pretty much slow evolutionary progress of CPU/Gfx/RAM since then.

    12. Re:By this argument... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Desktops still have resolution to improve on (I'm on a 27" Retina iMac, it's great), but laptops? I threw an SSD in mine, vintage 2009, and it's fine. Laptops passed the "good enough" point a while back.

      As far as "features", resolutions for desktops has almost maxed out - you can get a 5K 27" monitor now, which is pretty close to the limits of human vision (that's something like 220ppi vs ~300ppi of "retina" iPhone displays - so from the distances one would look at the monitor it's effectively better...). Now it's going to be about reducing price.

      Apple laptops definitely still have some room for both feature and spec improvement... I guarantee you they will eventually have touch screens. And of course they will always be striging for better battery life. Beyond that, laptops are in fact still pretty far behind in terms of graphics performance - that's always going to be a battle of performance vs power usage/cooling, but it will keep improving gradually. Good enough to play most games, but still way short of a desktop.

    13. Re:By this argument... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Wait, what 0.5" unibody aluminum laptops were available 15 years ago with a 13" screen and 10 hour battery life? (not sure what it has to do with Apple, all of the new Windows Ultrabooks are pretty close to that as well).

    14. Re:By this argument... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      How is that the perfect smartphone? Maybe the perfect one for next year...

      My definition of the perfect smartphone is a neural lace providing instant access to all the information in the universe wired directly to your optic and auditory nerves. Until something better comes along, at least...

    15. Re:By this argument... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Hardware accelerated, stutter free HTML5 1080 HD video now drives the market.

      The majority of consumers couldn't care about the latest Vulkan/Direct3D/OGL support as long as their media doesn't choke.

    16. Re:By this argument... by just+another+AC · · Score: 1

      why do you want to force the information into visual and auditory form where you still need to parse manually? Why not aim for "matrix style" direct upload resulting in instant expert understanding?

    17. Re:By this argument... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Real time information is not the same thing as adding learned memories, OBVIOUSLY. Because of course we are both experts on making shit up that doesn't actually exist :)

      (If I had to chose between the future mythological universe of the Matrix and that of the Culture, I'd definitely choose the latter. And if you haven't read all of Iain M Bank's Culture series, you need to start ASAP, since they are some of the best hard sci-fi ever written. Like William Gibson on a galactic scale.)

    18. Re:By this argument... by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      I highly doubt a 5 year old laptop could do 4K video playback without serious stuttering.

    19. Re:By this argument... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Thanks to the VR (motion free, easier to control with phone) headset plugged into the USB port of a smart phone, we are still a way to go to hit peak power on a smart phone. When phone comes out that can hit the processing power that high end gaming machines hit now, then we are at the peak. That VR headset plugged into a phone, a really big screen TV right in your pocket, is going to drive more development in compact capability. The new LG G5 should be considered a base model for new developments in the years to come. More and more power in you pocket with better and better, more comfortable, high resolution, headsets for VR (virtual reality) and AR (altered reality) and simple HI (high immersion). More power, better batteries, better interface, smaller phones(just put on the head set).

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    20. Re:By this argument... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and "peak cars" in the 1930's

    21. Re:By this argument... by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      As is my regular clocked Q6600 with 3GB of ram and no SSD.

      Browsing is only crippled by must-consume-all-ram browsers like Chrome.

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    22. Re:By this argument... by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      When I bought my new PC a year and a half ago, I knew I had no intention of gaming. I have long made fun of Intel's crappy graphics offerings (i810 was desperate, Extreme graphics was a joke, and i910 was the reason for Vista Capable debacle), but for my use I could not find a reason not to use the Intel 4600 onboard Graphics with my Haswell i5-4690. It can even drive 3 monitors (1x HDMI, 1x DVI, and 1x VGA).

      I saved the money not buying a graphics card, and applied it to an SSD.

    23. Re:By this argument... by hucker75 · · Score: 1

      What are you lot talking about, we have not reached peak desktop, ever. Parts continue to speed up and get cheaper and use less electricity.

    24. Re:By this argument... by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      who said anything about your specific dimensions or battery life? there were "ultra-portables" less than inch thick

  2. The Purpose of a Phone by Maclir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is to talk to another person, and be able to hear and understand them. Maybe the smartphone manufacturers could concentrate on the audio quality and intelligibility of phone conversations using their equipment...

    1. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by transami · · Score: 4, Insightful

      +1,000,000

      Mind boggling isn't it? Here we are well into the 21st century and I feel like I am talking through a string an tin can most of the time.

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    2. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Is to talk to another person, and be able to hear and understand them. Maybe the smartphone manufacturers could concentrate on the audio quality and intelligibility of phone conversations using their equipment..."

      Why? Nobody phones anymore, people use texts, Whatsapp and Skype for free and paying only for data, nobody cares about audio quality of the phones themselves.

    3. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by buchner.johannes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These devices have not redefined the way we phone

      The Purpose of a Phone Is to talk to another person, and be able to hear and understand them

      Lets not be so narrow-minded. Smartphones are communication devices - and they have redefined the way we communicate - world-wide, nearly free, with a mixture of instant texts, emoticons, images, gifs, short videos and, yes, voice.

      It is not solely the phone network anymore, and it is not just telephoning that a phone does -- although you still can use it that way.

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    4. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by friedmud · · Score: 4, Informative

      Already being done. Voice over LTE (VoLTE) is a HUGE step up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... . It's been supported on iPhones for a few years now (and I'm sure Android as well, I just don't have any experience there) and it makes an enormous difference when you're talking to someone else that has the capability.

      The next version of it is Wideband Audio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... . It's already available on Sprint and T-mobile in the US.

    5. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Yes grandpa, we'll only use our smartphones for voice calls and we'll make sure to stay off your lawn.

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    6. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      My last few t-mobile phones have supported using my current data connection for calls. Not sure if that's actually VOLTE (it works over wifi too).

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    7. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by inode_buddha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      THIS. If you really want to be amazed at the audio quality, try an old rotary dial phone on a landline... it totally blows away anything since. Oh, and lets not forget that the POTS landline system set the world standard for reliability... five 9's is a joke compared to POTS.

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    8. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      Yep, and you do all of that while driving. I see idiots like that around me *all day every day* and its all I can do not to go medieval on their entertainment device. Ya know, life went on just fine before this shit was even invented.

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    9. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      I would also recommend getting into SIP. I am always pleased with the quality of calls through my provider. I use an old SGS2 without a SIM card, and make/receive SIP calls over WiFi.

      While providers may vary, the wonderful thing about mine is that there is no monthly fee, I simply pay a (low) fee to make calls.

      Yes, there are times when I have no WiFi access, but it's rare, and I simply take a break and drop out of contact. When I travel internationally I don't have to pay any roaming fees, and because the phone is unlocked, I can also throw in a cheap pay-as-you-go SIM card at my destination for convenience.

      Cutting the cord on a monthly phone bill was incredibly refreshing!

    10. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      It is obviously not the only use for a smartphone but it is an essential one.
      And now that smartphones have enough power to run everything we need to waste time, that cameras can take pictures where you can recognize what it is, people are starting to consider sound quality more seriously.

    11. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      The Sprint logo is designed to resemble one of their most famous ads from when they were a long-distance company: this. It's the bouncing pin. And yes, you really could hear that level of detail. We have gained a lot in flexibility, but quality has gone to hell. 1990s long-distance circuits sounded like you were in the same room. 2010s local calls sound like you're at the bottom of the ocean.

    12. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      SIP is inferior to land line, I talk to relatives on the other side of the planet with SIP to save money but it is inferior. the SIP "standard" is stupid with so many ports and UDP anyway, it should and could be implemented as a single TCP stream since the duty time for actual audio content is so very low

    13. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Maybe POTS was different in your country, but in the UK audio quality is nowhere near the "HD voice" available for many years on mobile. Reliability is far from five 9s too, depending on where you live of course, and getting faults fixed is usually slow and painful.

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    14. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by GerryGilmore · · Score: 1

      Actually, IAX is a much better protocol. It just arrived AFTER SIP had been declared The Standard(TM) for VoIP.

    15. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The guys at Bell Labs were especially proud of themselves over the US phone system.

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    16. Re: The Purpose of a Phone by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      If you really want to be amazed at the audio quality, try an old rotary dial phone on a landline...

      Doesn't that require NLA "pulse" service?

    17. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by schnell · · Score: 1

      try an old rotary dial phone on a landline... it totally blows away anything since.

      I love the shout out to old school POTS, but it really doesn't blow away anything since, not by a long shot. You may not have had an opportunity to try it, but if your phone and carrier support VoLTE calls using the AMR-WB codec (often marketed as "HD Voice,") you will hear a immediately noticeable improvement in audio quality over traditional 64 kbps uncompressed circuit-switched voice.

      The catch is that you have to have a LTE phone which supports VoLTE (most premium smartphones made in the last two years do, but don't expect it in "feature phones" or a lot of prepaid-type lower end smartphones). You need to be in a LTE (rather than 3G fallback) coverage area when you initiate the call, as does your recipient. Your carrier also has to support VoLTE with AMR-WB (most big US carriers do nowadays but you may not have it on their MVNOs or "value" brands). Lastly, the person on the other end of your call has to have a setup which supports it too, and you probably have to be using the same wireless carrier. There is some effort (such as between AT&T and Verizon in the US) to enable cross-carrier VoLTE HD Voice, but it's not generally available yet.

      That sounds like a long list of caveats, but in a few years I imagine VoLTE calling with HD Voice will the be the rule rather than the exception. Try it out yourself and see if you aren't amazed at the change in audibility and clarity of phone calls.

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    18. Re: The Purpose of a Phone by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Dare I ask... what the fuck are failborkers and twatters?

    19. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is nothing wrong with the equipment. Try using FaceTime instead of a cellular call, it's crystal clear. The problem is the network providers who refuse to get into the 21st century and update cellular voice technology...

    20. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      No, not really. It's limited to 3KHz. While it might be very intelligible for a conversation (which is the most important thing!) it's definitely not a benchmark for "audio quality". Try a good "HD Audio" VOIP service - when done right it's practically CD quality audio.

    21. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by Whorelander · · Score: 1

      8-Bit guy compared a rotary to an iPhone 5 and didn't really come to the same conclusion as you:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      I grew up using rotary phones when with my grandparents, maybe it's just having a comfortable headset to ones ear and a mic that's actually near the mouth that makes any difference?

    22. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by Agripa · · Score: 1

      The digital audio itself should be a major improvement over analog assuming lossy compression is not overused however taking advantage of it requires a good microphone and speaker on both sides. The old analog handsets were pretty good for this but current hardware has poor performance if only because of its form factor.

    23. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Is to talk to another person, and be able to hear and understand them. Maybe the smartphone manufacturers could concentrate on the audio quality and intelligibility of phone conversations using their equipment...

      Yeah in 1995.

      I NEED IT for google maps, finding out if places closed via "Ok. Google when does x close", bluetooth to get directions while I drive, post on slashdot, check in at the airport, text message, and many many things.

      A phone is a computer and the new computer for everyone with the exception for work content creators. But you can do light content creation on a phone fine for a tiny task.

    24. Re: The Purpose of a Phone by hughbar · · Score: 1
      FTFY:

      whilst struggling to avoid people and hazards

      while people struggle to avoid them

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    25. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      We got HD Voice (wideband audio) years ago with the rollout of 3G, the increase in quality was huge over basic GSM and POTS. VoLTE and wifi calling are the next steps, and will meet or exceed current wideband VoIP quality.

      Source: I work for a major European telco/ISP.

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    26. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by pagedout · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Let me help you a bit.

      1. SIP really is just the command channel protocol. What you are probably talking about when you say SIP is the combination of the SIP control channel and a RTP audio payload.
      2. SIP can and does run as both UDP and TCP. There is a popular Microsoft SIP stack that actually gave up on the UDP side of SIP as there were too many issues with it in a home (AKA poorly maintained) environments.
      3. RTP runs as UDP (well I know of some related TCP projects but the whole concept is just stupid) as TCP is wildly unsuited for a real-time connection protocol.
      4. Studies show that unbuffered jitter greater than 2ms or latency of greater than 100ms rapidly make phone calls unmanageable for human users. There is a direct trade-off (via buffering) between jitter and latency, however TCP makes both worse which is why nobody would use it like this.
      5. If you want to see quality compare SIP with the G.729 codex (probably what you are using) vs the POTS system (normal telephony) vs a wide-band SIP codex like G.722. If you can spare the bandwidth it really is impressive how nice it sounds.

      So, any communication method that relies on low latency and reliable delivery with the "other side of the planet" is going to suck. I would suggest that you move to video as some studies have shown that people tend to be happier with video calls when there are technical glitches as they are able to correct some of it with the associated visual queues.

       

    27. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      Thanks of the extra information, it's interesting, but you keep telling me that I'm not using SIP and that it's no good. But I was simply sharing an anecdote regarding my experience, and SIP is the easiest way to explain what I did, as you can see below:

      1) I created an account with a SIP gateway (SIPGate)

      2) I then installed a SIP client on my Android mobile. I did find out that a later upgrade to Android support SIP natively, they call it "Internet Phone", so I don't need the SIP client any more.

      3) My personal experience is that the call quality has been much much better than with cellular calls. For a while I still had my cellular plan and could compare a voice call, followed by a SIP call over the 3G data link, in the same area. The difference was always dramatic and the SIP call was always better.

      4) I liked it so much I bought a VOIP box for home (an "unlocked" and unaffiliated one of these) and configured it for SIP and it works brilliantly.

      Anyway, that's my anecdote, make of it what you will.

      If you think I should try a more modern protocol, can you recommend a provider and name the technology to make it easier? Thanks.

    28. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      Sorry, just realised you were replying to a child post rather than my own.

      Thanks for the G.722 codec advice, I'll check it out, my VOIP box supports it, but not sure if my old Android phone does.

      Anyway, personally I really appreciate good quality audio for conversations, especially when working in sales or holding other business meetings on the phone. There is nothing more frustrating than having to ask someone important to repeat themselves on the telephone.

    29. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by pagedout · · Score: 1

      Yep, I understand and my apologies if I came off as hash. I actually used to use a combination of old andriod phones, an asterisk server and google voice as my home phone for a while before I got fed up with it.

      While I don't read German I let google translate it and it looks like SIPGate is just a telephony gateway provider. The problem here is that you have a call going from your handset via POTS to your cisco device. Then on your network over IP to this SIPGate place. They then translate it probably to TDM (generic term covers all of the business/carrier style phone lines) to place the actual calls out to your destination.

      Presuming you are trying to dial other people connected to the POTS then your solution is probably about the best you are going to get. If you were wanting to see better quality a direct computer to computer connection via SIP, with a headset mic could provide you with much better audio but given its limited scope I doubt it would be worth it in your case.

      I am hoping that in the next couple years webRTC will make this type of thing much more wide-spread as you remove all the middle men.

      hope it helps,

    30. Re:The Purpose of a Phone by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Is to talk to another person, and be able to hear and understand them. Maybe the smartphone manufacturers could concentrate on the audio quality and intelligibility of phone conversations using their equipment...

      You're using it wrong. If you haven't realized that you are carrying around a small pocket computer that can do lots of things and a phone function is just one of them, you really don't need a smart phone. Really, even the phone function is becoming less and less important, just like broadcast TV; a fairly mature platform that is pretty much used mainly by old people.

  3. No, it doesn't. by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At this point I don't upgrade to a new phone until the battery on my existing one becomes useless and I can't find a replacement. There hasn't been a compelling phone feature to me for quite a while. Screen resolution, camera, CPU, data speeds are all at a good enough place. The last really cool feature for me was wireless charging.

    1. Re:No, it doesn't. by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Yeah I'm in the skip-a-year club. But that be the skip-two-or-three-years club in the near future.

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    2. Re:No, it doesn't. by OfMiceAndMenus · · Score: 1

      Exactly! Not everyone has adopted the Apple sales tactic model where you just buy the next model every year because "you're supposed to". I just upgraded my daily-use cell phone from an OG Droid 1 to a Galaxy S7 Edge. Talk about a leap up...and I'm sure it would be an amazing improvement for anyone who had a pre-4G phone or even an early 4G phone as well. Funny that the person becoming jaded and cynical about "lack of evolution" in phones is the person who gets every phone whenever it's released...

  4. Write-up is exactly right. It's a good thing. by Robotech_Master · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I said much the same thing on TeleRead. There are many, many devices and things that haven't "advanced" in decades but are a such a quiet everyday part of our lives that we couldn't imagine doing without them. Smartphones (and their close relations tablets and e-readers) are becoming just like that. Not everything in our lives has to be replaced by something shiny and new every couple of years.

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    1. Re:Write-up is exactly right. It's a good thing. by Nethead · · Score: 1

      Good article. Thanks for turning me on to the site.

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    2. Re:Write-up is exactly right. It's a good thing. by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

      You're quite welcome. :)

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    3. Re:Write-up is exactly right. It's a good thing. by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And there's also the question if they got better, would we really need it and use them for more? For example you can now get 64GB DDR4 (4x16GB) for mainstream desktops for $239, but is there any normal use case? Even with all the bells and whistles I'm struggling to hit 10GB (of 16 total), so it's like sure I could but why. I think it might be more that, the smartphone you have already have "enough" to do what most people want so even if you could make a smartphone with desktop-class performance it wouldn't really have much more it could do.

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    4. Re:Write-up is exactly right. It's a good thing. by msmash · · Score: 1

      Hi, I just read your article. It's very insightful. Have added it to the story.

    5. Re:Write-up is exactly right. It's a good thing. by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I appreciate the compliment even more than the link. :)

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    6. Re:Write-up is exactly right. It's a good thing. by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we've basically hit the point where computers are good enough to do everything the average person wants them to do. The only people who want high-powered stuff are gamers and number-crunchers. I put 32 GB of RAM in my wife's iMac, but only because I didn't want to take the damned thing apart to put in an SSD, which is what it really needs. My iMac has the SSD+HDD combo (forget what they call it, but it works like a charm). Is it as perfectly customized as the PC I had before it? Hell no. But it surfs just fine, plays all the games I want to play OK, and looks a hell of a lot better than the PC it replaced.

    7. Re:Write-up is exactly right. It's a good thing. by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      I would think that there is.

      Here's a possible use case, but it feels awefully retro:

      Use one of the many free ramdisk drivers out there, and have it load a minimalist ntfs image on boot. (usually only 1 to 3mb, depending.) This image is then junction mounted in all the places windows wants to write temporary files. Just keep in mind that the usual places where this would get the most benefit (CBS.log and pals) were designed so horribly that softlinks and junctions will break windows, because microsoft does not know how to make a quality product anymore.

      For browser cache, downloads folders, and things of that nature it still looks very promising though.

      Other uses for that much RAM:

      assuming you are running linux, you can set up a bootable ramdisk for "legacy OSes" (9x, DOS, and pals) that is heavily compressed in its storage location using memdisk. You start it like you would a kernel, and the initrd is the disk image you want to load. It accepts gziped images. This would let you run real legacy games in their original legacy environments, if you so wished. (This is also useful for when your older relatives insist on using your computer and complain about modern windows. You can throw them in a ramdisk'ed win98se with a lot of 3rd party patches that they simply cannot break, and do so without much risk to your actual system.)

      There's also lossless video capture to think about, where you need a device with high enough bandwidth to accept very large, time sensitive data streams getting written. A huge honking ramdisk does great there. (conversion from analog video, such as say 35mm film, to archival quality lossless video codecs and the like, as well as people wanting to convert VHS to something digital, while being lossless. For lossy applications, a set-top converter is the way to go.)

      Then of course, there's the usual memory hogging applications like transactional database daemons, and scientific number crunching simulations, but your typical user isnt going to be running those.

      The real killer app for that much ram would be a powertool option to manually commit that memory to disk caching of a specific volume, with manual flush to disk being possible. Currently, disk caching subsystems dont expose that level of per-disk control, so the same caches are used for spinny disks that are used for write wearing SSDs. Having a dedicated cache pool with enough ram to properly back it, with per-disk manual flushing would be useful. (On windows, the caching subsystem does not expose any user configurable elements that I am aware of. On linux, you can poke some values in the system variables, but these are still global, and not per-disk. sync command flushes all caches to all disks, not just a specific one. This level of control is not currently available to my knowledge.)

      When there is a resource available, people will find ways to make use of that resource.

    8. Re:Write-up is exactly right. It's a good thing. by radarskiy · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I'm struggling to hit 10GB "

      Switch back to Firefox

    9. Re:Write-up is exactly right. It's a good thing. by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I'm now remembering that per-disk caching was a feature of smartdrv.exe. Wow !
      Though it likely offered off / on / reads-only at best.
      Not sure if a good idea but I'd like to disable write caching to crappy slow USB drives, so that when it's done it's done.
      Perhaps it's mundane but smartdrv showed that aspect in your face.

    10. Re:Write-up is exactly right. It's a good thing. by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      There is lots of room for improvement left at the lower end of the phone/tablet market but phone and tablet manufacturers are trying to stretch their high-margin products for as long as possible so the lower-end is not going to see significantly improved products any time soon.

      Take Samsung's Galaxy Tab A 7" launched a month ago: it is a slightly updated version of the Galaxy Tab 4 7" from 2014. Same 8GB eMMC, same 1.5GB of RAM, same 800p display, sidegraded (maybe) from a 1.2GHz Mediatek 1088 to some unspecified 1.3GHz 32bits SoC, updated cameras, lost dual-N support along the way and retails for $20-30 more.

      There is less than $50 worth of parts, manufacturing and development costs separating $150 tablets and phones from $500+ models and most major manufacturers are trying very hard to keep the brakes on against the race to the bottom. Asus' $200 Zenfone 2 551KL is one example of how scary the $200 price point could become for premium device manufacturers.

    11. Re:Write-up is exactly right. It's a good thing. by SmilingBoy · · Score: 1

      I actually built a PC a few months ago with 64 GiB. I didn't think of it much, and it probably was a waste of money (It also cost a lot more than $239; I paid EUR 470 - I should probably have bought a better graphics card instead of the GTX 960 and just 16 GiB RAM). But sometimes it is awesome - open a very large file (say 30 GiB video) in one application - takes quite long to load. Then close it and open it in a different application - it loads very quickly as it is still in the operating system file cache. I never really had this effect previously when my computers had 8 GiB of RAM - which was mostly taken by programmes, so there was not a lot of RAM allocated to file cache.

  5. Maybe not peak, but a plateau by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think we've hit peak smartphone, but we're at a plateau. The next steps will be three things:

    1. Reduced cost and improved durability, bringing smartphones to those areas of the world that currently can't afford them.

    2. Improved battery life. That's going to come from battery tech, not the phone side.

    3. Augmented reality. Not virtual reality, but something like Google Glass that can use the entire surface of the lens as a display instead of just a small chunk in a corner.

    1. Re:Maybe not peak, but a plateau by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 5, Insightful
      We have hit a plateau cos the manufacturers - perhaps at the behest of carriers, are wilfully failing to deliver what most people want (as opposed to the reviewers - who want iPhones).

      Real people want:

      • Indestructible plastic backs that let the signal through - NOT aluminium ones that shield the signal, and get bent - as well as costing more. We put our phones in cases to protect them - cos we go out into the real world.
      • Replaceable batteries - when I leave the house, I change the battery. When I return, I change the battery. I keep spare batteries in the desk, the car. A lot of other people do the same.
      • Removable SD cards. We want one SD card for work, and one for home - and a lot of people have to take them out to move data to computers, cos some idiots, somewhere, have screwed up the USB protocols something wicked, and a lot of older versions of Android, still in use (Gee thanks, carriers), appear not to be thread safe and trash your SD card.
      • We want dual sim. UK carriers wont sell dual sim phones, and make them hard to get here, except ones with appalling performance (and pre MS Nokias).
      • We want waterproof, and dust proof, child proof, hell we WANT idiot proof and NSA proof (but I know we wont get it).
      • We want software that does not change the UI unless we decide to download a new one from the dark side of hell.
      • We dont give a stuff it the phone is 1.3mm thinner. We managed to use Bakelite housephones that weighed 2kg, and I had an analogue mobile that weighed about 10kg cos it had a car battery in it. At least the bloody thing did not keep needing to be recharged.
      • We need a camera that takes pictures. Most people are hopeless at taking pictures, and a better camera wont help them. We do not need 4M pixels, 8M Pixels, 16, 32, 64 - we know about binary arithmetic and exponential increases. Those that don't, never will, and, regardless of gamers and people who buy monster cables, 24 frames a second works fine for most people, and 60 fps for everybody else.
      • We also need the option not to have a camera. Some people actually work in places where you cannot take a camera for reasons of security or privacy.

      There are probably loads of other features we could have all of which are better than 0.6mm thinnner and less than 150 hours of talk time.

      But the reviewers keep saying the Android phones are not Apple! Hell, GM is not Ford, McLaren is not Mercedes, either.
      And if I want a 44 ton truck, don't even bother trying to sell me a Volkswagen Caddy, even if it does have the same pollution ratings.

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    2. Re:Maybe not peak, but a plateau by OpinOnion · · Score: 1

      My Moto Mini cost 108 dollars and can do voice commands in sleep mode, has notfications in sleep mode and wireless charging. I think they are more than cheap enough now. I mean.. Africa can have all our 2 year old smartphones.. that's good enough. What we need is software that doesn't suck. There isn't even a good music platform on Android yet. If you guys think Spotify doesn't suck a lot, you've lowered your expectations way too far. I expect mobile apps to be just about as good a desktop apps or I'm going to avoid using them for my desktop because my time is worth money. How many people have spent over a year of their lives already playing on a smartphone? That is kind of ridiculous for such a limit and weak platform. I hate most mobile apps. They require all kinds of unnecessary button pressing. They put the navigation buttons all over the screen. It's near impossible to make a user interface that can resize and fit anyone hand. We need to more toward voice and swipe commands as much as possible, including voice typing. Instead of me worrying about how much the Spotify, Apple Music, Groove, Google Play apps UIs suck.. just add in voice commands and you can at least head off a lot of problem. Wht is it taking a decade to get Google to add something like... Add song to Playlist or Delete song from playlist as a default voice command. For YEARS people have been buying apps to add simple voice commands. Google spends almost no real effort on the biggest up and coming feature. Voice Search is slow, it hangs up, often times it does not automate the 'last mile'. Tons of apps on Android lack swipe controls.. so you have to press tiny buttons depending on the size of you phone. Swipe is the way to go. the entire Android UI needs to be rethought.. not just the OS, but more so than anything the damn apps. The left side pop out menu button thing sucks balls. It's always 5 clicks to get anywhere in an app in Android and there is no reason for that, tabs work on mobile platforms too you know devv!. I don't see improvements really happening. Google is going to keep slacking and all of sudden Windows 10 Mobile is going to be a viable platform that because they have no desktop presence on Windows other than that stupid run Chrome in the background option. That's OK if you have Chrome and if you're ok with shitty Chrome apps being your main desktop app.. which doesn't seem to be appealing to most people. Chrome apps work good.. in chrome.. as extensions to chrome, but when run them as standalone apps, they look and act like a badly written python scripts with a computer science 101 UI overtop it. It's not how big name companies should be presenting their apps. The world is shifting BACK to desktops now that the initial thrill of the mobile platform is ending. The next stage will be a full integration effort and amazingly on Android phones that is being led by MS, not Google. I consider that to be a serious bad omen for Google. This is the point where Google let their mobile platform grip slip right out of their hands while they sat there pumping out half fnished 'core' apps that they forgot to make right from the start. They should never have been so lenient on Android licensing. It's hurt their brand. Anyone who hates an Android phone hates Google a little now and everyone who has ever had an Android phone has hated it. I don't honestly think this is accidental. Google is bending you over and app raping you with their marketplace full of crap apps and their OS full of bugs. All the big name app makers are along for the ride also. They too make more money when you waste your life on your phone doing things at 1/3 the speed you used to do them on your desktop or laptop. We communicate more often, but less meaningfully when our words and ability to input text is limited. Yet another reason quality voice typing is a must. Hardwre makers also need to put in higher quality MICROPHONE ARRAYS on their phones. An array can do a lot more and it's probably more practical than beam focusing.

    3. Re:Maybe not peak, but a plateau by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      1 and 2 are not going to happen. You must buy new bling every year (6 moths would be better) so that the manufactures won't starve. Think of their children!

    4. Re:Maybe not peak, but a plateau by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      They change them enough to be new. Smartphones have converged with PCs. I know people that create and give presentations on their phone, using their phone as a PC replacement. That it can be done doesn't make it a PC because most wouldn't do it.

      Cheaper isn't new. The Raspberry Pi phone, with a $20 price tag for something usable would be an improvement, but wouldn' be "new". Battery life isn't useful. Wireless charging, faster charging (go google VOOC) and other improvements in availability will be the key. Nobody wants "longer battery life". They want it to just work.

      And AR doesn't work on a phone. You won't hold your phone up, blocking your view to see through it. Your focal length is such that would be anoying. You'd need a wearable of some kind. and that'd be a new type of tech, not an improvement of phones. We have touched on wearables and AR, but we have a long way to go, and it'll be new/different, even if the features cross-tech, like phone calls from PCs and presentations from phones. There will always be coss, but the wearable/AP shouldn't be considered an extension of the phone.

    5. Re:Maybe not peak, but a plateau by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

      For AR I don't expect the phone to be the display. As I said, something like Google Glass which uses the phone as the processing and communications unit and simply displays on effectively your entire field of view. No need to bind the phone permanently to the display, because displays will improve (just like right now we don't bind the phone permanently to a headset, we connect them via Bluetooth and we can replace the headset with a better model without needing to replace the phone in the process).

    6. Re:Maybe not peak, but a plateau by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I can look up characters I don't know from the original version of Journey to the West or from random street signs, restaurant menus, etc. in Hong Kong or Guangzhou by jotting them nearly illegibly on the screen of my 2010-vintage smartphone or tablet (I don't normally point/trace with the same hand that I write with) and obtaining the definitions and pronunciations in, say, 3-10 seconds. Or I can just use the camera, although I prefer doing it by hand since that reinforces them in my memory. In either case, that's at least 10 times faster than I could hope to look them up in the printed Chinese dictionary that I don't have to lug around.

      In case you've never used one of the latter, it requires recognising and then looking up the first radical in the character by number of strokes in one index, counting the remaining strokes, going to a page in another index obtained from the first index, picking it out from a list of characters there that have the same number of strokes, then going to the indicated page in the dictionary proper to obtain the pronunciation and meaning. Some Chinese dictionaries also list the characters by pronunciation, but in this case you need to know that already, and even so, characters having the same representation in Pinyin are listed under it by tone and then by number of strokes. (For example, not taking tones into account, there are at least 25 commonly-used characters that are all pronounced "mao".) If that sounds a bit tedious, it is.

      I think that's a very fair exchange, and so Google are welcome to know which characters I'm interested in.

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    7. Re:Maybe not peak, but a plateau by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You don't use phone for too much processing. The wearable will do all of the video processing and most of the data analysis. Much like how phones work now. The phone doesn't do much more than communicate between the network and the wearable. If you can offload the processing to the phone, you can put it in the cloud, and that's where everything is headed anyway.

    8. Re:Maybe not peak, but a plateau by ljones0 · · Score: 1

      Agreed on all of that plus a phone .... -

      - That isn't obsessed with being ever thinner and "more beautiful".
      - That can have its battery removed easily
      - That actually has some sort of sane battery life
      - That can have the OS changed *easily*
      - That does not spy on you all the time
      - That can have the built in cr*apware installed by the manufacturer removed easily
      - That has some sort of upgradability
      - That can be repaired easily (maybe modular?)

      ...then it might be worth buying one. My last new phone was the Samsung galaxy S5. It'll be the last smartphone I buy unless either at least some of the above is addressed. If not I go back to an old "dumbphone".

    9. Re:Maybe not peak, but a plateau by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      Pretty much this, 100%.

      Rugged waterproof phone with a lanyard and replaceable glass screen protector, lots of ram, 5-10aH replaceable battery, dual-sim, good device speakers, no onboard storage but rather two microSD slots (raid1) with a dedicated 512mb battery-backed RAM buffer, proper firmware management, and a publicly accessible git repository.

      Build this and you'll have all my money.

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    10. Re:Maybe not peak, but a plateau by sachin.date · · Score: 1

      Smart phones capabilities may be nearing a 'local maximum', but the real revolution is waiting to happen in the invisible half of the cellular ecosystem - the cellular network. Smart phone ownership is already very high in the developing world, and 'access' to a smart phone is almost always there. But cellular data rates are still pretty much un-affordable to most people in the developing world. Data connectivity is also still quite patchy. Sure you can purchase a dirt cheap pre-paid data pack and get 'connected'. But what good is it if you get GPRS speeds on a '3G' network? Or if your pack runs out in 3 days, when you try to do something meaningful with it (say participate in a distance learning class, while still working on your family farm, 10 kilometers away from the nearest school)?

  6. Volume Controls Still Suck by michael.karl.coleman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all of these years, volume controls on phones still suck ass. The physical buttons are on the edge of the phone and you either butt-mute and butt-blare your phone all day long, or they're stupid hard to press and you can't tell without looking at the phone whether your change has even taken. On top of that, some apps "steal" the buttons, so you're never sure whether you're actually adjusting the volume or talking to the app.

    On top of that, there are actually multiple settings, i.e., for ringer volume, media volume, etc. And some apps seem to have their own "private" volume setting that is only adjustable when the app is in the foreground. Or when the app _thinks_ it's in the foreground. Or when the OS has stopped lagging and gets around to thinking it's in the foreground.

    And don't forget about headphones. Various things behave differently if headphones are plugged in. Some sounds go to the headphones and others continue to come out of the phone, for no obvious reason.

    All of that assumes that you haven't tripped over the various OS bugs that make the volume unchangeable, etc.

    So yeah, I still have a few hundred $$$ burning a hole in my pocket for any manufacturer that can solve this problem.

    1. Re:Volume Controls Still Suck by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      You must have a really crappy phone and/or use some really badly-done apps.

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  7. Mod parent up by davidwr · · Score: 1

    We may have plateaued for now but I think mobile phone/computers of 2021 will be radically more feature-rich than today's phones, and those in 2026 will be at least another generation beyond that.

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    1. Re: Mod parent up by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Well, if not, it will have collapsed by 2038 for sure.

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    2. Re: Mod parent up by mcswell · · Score: 1

      I'm sure he meant that the robot overlords of 2026 would be using next-gen phones and computers. Built-ins.

    3. Re: Mod parent up by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Well, that's the end of the world according to Unix anyway, so you're not taking a great risk with the prediction.

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  8. What we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is to get a former CEO of one of the cellphone companies in the whitehouse, then they can reveal that Malasia or South Korea is part of the axis of evil.. hell they can even stage a fake terrorist attack against the US.. and then they can attack! This will drive the prices of cellular phones up 10X thereby increasing their profits by 10x! from there they can have their way with profiting from backdoors in encryption because it would be obvious that the terrorists already did so when they made the cellphones.. but then the government can have its way with our money and our rights and our privacy in the name of Murica damnit!

    Peak Cellphone? That is just what we want the public to believe!

    Muahahahahahaha!

  9. QWERTY regression by short · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There already were smartphones with QWERTY (incl. arrows, numeric row etc. - suitable for programming/VIM, not just for SMSes). There is no longer any single one QWERTY manufactured. There is probably still a long way ahead before we can see a usable phone when they still cannot get the QWERTY there.

    1. Re:QWERTY regression by short · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bluetooth keyboard is only OK as long as it is TOHKBD style - that is integrated with the phone as a single piece of hardware with no extra battery charging. And then the bluetooth part is only an implementation detail, probably a useless one as if they can connect the power wires they could connect even the signals. Keyboard shortcuts are always faster than any mouse/swipe/whatever crap. And no voice typing really makes sense on a busy street. Besides that I cannot imagine to voice type a bash command with all its backquotes. Typing on integrated QWERTY worked great for me on Nokia 9000i, Nokia 9110 and Nokia 900, I have no idea why it can no longer work. I need to get the job done, I do not need a star-trek-looking useless gadget.

    2. Re:QWERTY regression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hate the lack of physical keyboards. Pisses me off so much.

      The closest I have come to a decent Android OSK is the Hackers Keyboard. More or less a standard QWERTY with a few minor things OS-contextual.
      Having to use Bluetooth keyboards, while allowing for greater flexibility, is just a pain.
      And the main pain being no good way to dock a keyboard to a phone without using those silly flimsy stands.

      Give us some damn holes in our phones to anchor things to! (not that it would matter because phones are made with such cheap material the weight of its own body would probably bend it!)
      If they actually did, I MIGHT actually consider getting a smartphone, but for now I will stick with tablet and being antisocial.

    3. Re:QWERTY regression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This, exactly. I still use an original Samsung Epic 4G / Galaxy S, because there is no replacement for it. There are only a handful of newer smartphones with keyboards at all, and they're all horrible in comparison. Hopefully this fad of everyone making the same phone will end and someone will make a decent keyboard smartphone again, but I'm not seeing signs of it coming any time soon.

      In the meantime, I'll stick with my Epic running Cyanogenmod 11 / Android KitKat. It's a little slow and doesn't have LTE, but at least I can actually use it. For those struggling on older smart phones, try Textra and Naked Browser. Way faster than the stock apps and popular competition, runs perfect on the outdated hardware.

  10. The world by fremsley471 · · Score: 1

    Realistically, what more do you want one to do?

    Peak smartphone may be here for people willing to stump up the moolah, but the world's becoming more and more connected because of cheaper, better devices. For most of the seven billion people, $700 isn't what they can splash on a nice phone, it's over half their annual income. Better value smartphones are bringing capable computers to the masses.

  11. Really? by transami · · Score: 1

    If they are stuck on how to innovate, then they can give me call.

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  12. Updates by stephenjsweeney · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As an Android user, the main thing I want now from a smartphone is regular updates (chiefly, security). As far as I can tell, only Google is committed to regular security updates for all their recent devices. Actually, I think Samsung might be doing so as well, but only for the S6 and S7. Stagefright was a major wakeup call for Android partners, but it seems that, after the dust settled, the OEMs have returned to the old "just buy a new phone" approach to solving the problem. Mind you, Joe Sixpack really doesn't seem bothered. Or maybe just not clued up.

    I'm planning on grabbing the next Nexus when it arrives, hopefully with a 64GB option or an SD card slot, so I can benefit from the monthly security patches. I can only see attacks against smartphones increasing both in volume and sophistication, now that we've peaked and almost everyone has one.

  13. and that's why it matters, cost and contracts by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's long been true that one could buy a phone similar to last-year's model at a reasonable cost. Since there haven't been any radical improvements for a few years, there's no longer any reason to spend $650 on the hottest new thing. No reason to replace a phone that works fine, and when you do need a new phone the $120 model will do fine.

    That shift has several effects, one of which is that carrier subsidies on phone purchases, in which the buyer pays for the $650 phone through a higher monthly bill on contract, have become kinda pointless. No reason not to buy a $120 phone up-front, then get $30 service with no contract.

    1. Re:and that's why it matters, cost and contracts by weregeek · · Score: 1

      With perfectly serviceable phones like the Moto e available for ~$35 without a contract, there's little incentive for a contract or insurance at this point. As far as I am concerned, the big strides have been at the bottom end of the market.

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  14. Same Old Story by dcollins · · Score: 1

    New media is always pitched as an opportunity for education, health care knowledge, and global understanding. But it always gets used for porn, reality shows, and mindless entertainment. Now with more cat pictures.

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  15. Who the fuck cares? by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

    These devices have not redefined the way we phone, nor have they blown us away with unprecedented speeds, or wowed us with extraordinary battery life. Each of these new phones is merely a marginal improvement over last year's model.

    Why is no one saying the same things about PCs? Modern smartphones are excellent at what they're doing, sans their poor battery life. Why would you want to switch your phone every 12 months, and why would you expect every generation to bring something new and incredible to the table?

    Modern smartphones are already as powerful as 5-7 old PCs yet they consume roughly 100 times less power. I mean for all intents and purposes they are a miracle! You basically have a supercomputer in your pocket for fuck's sake. And yes, we haven't yet developed a good enough power source for them but it's not because we're not trying. It's because doing science nowadays is fucking hard. You just cannot go to your R&D department and tell them, "Hey, guys, let's make our phone better than the competition by inventing a new power source". It just doesn't work this way.

    This whole, "show me more features or the smartphone has suddenly become boring", reeks of the most awful consumerism. Your 2-3 old smartphone suddenly doesn't work for you or what? If you have an excess of money to burn go invest them in biotechnology/new energy/aerospace/etc. companies.

    1. Re:Who the fuck cares? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, tech writers all but wrote off PCs a few years ago, declaring it a dead or dying platform. From what I can see, PCs just settled into a more specialized role as content creation platforms, contrary to phones, tablets, and consoles, which are more suited for content consumption.

      Still, it's probably only the tech media (and manufacturers, of course) that are really worried about this, because they're the ones who write about smartphones. So, there's a built-in bias regarding the desired interest in seeing new and shiny devices coming out each year, because that interest is tied to their ability to earn a living writing about those devices. How many people get all excited about a new model of oven ranges or refrigerators? It must terrify tech writers to think about smartphones becoming as mundane as other appliances.

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    2. Re:Who the fuck cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Modern smartphones are already as powerful as 5-7 old PCs yet they consume roughly 100 times less power.

      Pure bullshit. Try compressing 1 gig of data using LZMA compression and watch a 7 year old PC leave the smartphone in the dust. Smartphones still don't have the data processing power and bandwidth of even a machine that's a decade old. You just don't notice that when you're playing Angry Birds or surfing Facebook.

    3. Re:Who the fuck cares? by erice · · Score: 1

      These devices have not redefined the way we phone, nor have they blown us away with unprecedented speeds, or wowed us with extraordinary battery life. Each of these new phones is merely a marginal improvement over last year's model.

      Why is no one saying the same things about PCs?

      Because it is no longer news. PC's have been stagnant to declining for some years now. In the 80's and 90's PC's were the engine behind the electronics industry. That started to peter out in the 2000's so everyone hitched a ride on the mobile boom. Now, smart phones are cresting. Without rapid advancement consumers will delay purchasing new phones. Volume and margins will fall. Now attention is being turned to wearables and Internet of Things. There is still a great deal of uncertainty of either trend is big enough to keep the engine going. There is a lot of consolidation going on in the chip business right now.

    4. Re:Who the fuck cares? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Modern smartphones are already as powerful as 5-7 old PCs

      No they aren't, not by a long shot.

      People only manage to do simple PC tasks with mobile devices. The really interesting things are offloaded to some server in the cloud or a local desktop like Siri or Plex.

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  16. Great if market have matured by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

    If this means that the market has finally matured (i.e a new phone isn't obsoleted in 6 months since a next gen is being released) then it's great because that would open the market finally for a long term phone. You know a smart phone where you still in 10 years time get updates, can get cheap replacement battery and so on. I know that this won't happen ever since the manufacturers want to keep creating new cheap shit that we should buy and trash in 6 months, but still this would at least make room for one manufacturer that would release such a phone.

  17. Waiting for the software to catch up by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    These devices have not redefined the way we phone, nor have they blown us away with unprecedented speeds, or wowed us with extraordinary battery life

    And yet people are happy to buy these devices and seem to be content with the level of performance they offer. It's important to remember that the "phone" is merely a platform. On its own, it's nothing - useless. When the apps come along that need more powerful phones, the manufacturers will develop them.

    But for the time being, unless you're addicted to better, faster, bigger / smaller - just for the sake of having something a tiny bit better to brag about - then making phones faster or more capacious seems pointless.

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  18. Hardware can't proceed because the software sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Smartphones made a leap with installable apps, now they need to enable installable operating systems. We're currently in a phase where large parts of the OS are reinvented with every generation of smartphones, much how previously features like phone book, sms entry, and synchronization were new in every new phone (and came with new oddities and bugs), even from the same manufacturer. The ARM world needs to become a platform instead of a loose arrangement of components. Until you can buy a phone without OS and choose the software separately, the manufacturers will be overwhelmed with maintaining the base line of features and have no time and resources left for innovation.

  19. Continuum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We are on the cusp of having enough horsepower in our mobile devices to have a true desktop experience via docking station. Those of us in IT and other 2D heavy jobs can appeiciate the concept of having your entire computing platform in your phone. Dock it to your display/kb/mouse, and you're off and running. Take a look at Microsofts' demo of Continuum. It's a compelling use case.

  20. Think of the toasters! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    I'm reading a science fiction novel set a hundred years into the future and corporations have colonized space. One of the characters made an observation that the toaster as a kitchen appliance hadn't changed despite all the advances in space travel. In short, your cellphone is another appliance.

    1. Re:Think of the toasters! by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      We can only hope but they are doing more and more gimmicky things to sell stuff nowadays like selling laptops with no mouse buttons. Or curved tv's with no buttons so you can't change the channel when you loose the remote.

      I'm sure its only a matter of time until I'll walk through the appliance aisle in Walmart and hear:
      Howdy doodly do. How's it going? I'm Talkie, Talkie Toaster, your chirpy breakfast companion. Talkie's the name, toasting's the game. Anyone like any toast?

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    2. Re:Think of the toasters! by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      I'd settle for one that just toasted evenly on both sides...

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    3. Re:Think of the toasters! by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      I'm sure its only a matter of time until I'll walk through the appliance aisle in Walmart and hear:
      Howdy doodly do. How's it going? I'm Talkie, Talkie Toaster, your chirpy breakfast companion. Talkie's the name, toasting's the game. Anyone like any toast?

      http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Genuine_People_Personalities

    4. Re:Think of the toasters! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Must be a slow day if you're replying to your own comment. :/

    5. Re:Think of the toasters! by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Yes. I didn't think of it until a few minutes after I posted.

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  21. I think Gizmodo has reached peak clickbait by JoeyRox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Time to actually write something of substance.

    1. Re: I think Gizmodo has reached peak clickbait by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Unless Hulk Hogan puts them out of business first.

  22. Just bought an S7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree with the story. I'm a die hard corporate blackberry user. The only other phone I've ever owned is the iphone 3GS and that was because at the time _everyone_ in the office had one. You couldn't attend a meeting without someone talking about it.

    Fast forward to the S7 and Android. The phone itself is sleek, and looks nice, but it ends there. Ergonomically it's a nightmare for me. Security is also a nightmare. RF is weak. For a phone costing over $1000 Canadian, I'm not impressed.

    I'm still not sure where to post this, dumping a wall of text on Slashdot isn't exactly ideal but the phone has never seen the public network. Since the day I got it (last Tuesday), it's had a sim with no data and on a completely isolated wireless network for observation. What I've found is absolutely absurd. It's not only call home happy but it's like the neighborhood hoe. It won't stop broadcasting for benign things (DNS and multicast for the most part). I've disabled everything I can short of rooting the phone and I've not accepted _any_ TOS or license for anything (including Google nor Facebook), yet it persists. In a futile attempt to further isolate the phone it's now sitting on a VPN.. which it's ignoring for some hosts like connectivitycheck.android.com, but also more disturbingly external DNS. A lot of the call home garbage appears to be Samsung and Google, there is also some to odd places like Broadcom.

    Phones out right now are largely snakeoil. It's no wonder so few sites "review" anything but how the phone looks or the stupid cameras. I couldn't find any doing even basic reception tests. Few show Email clients or the phone UI much at all. Some even consider the abysmal battery to be normal. Charging a phone nightly is NOT NORMAL.

    1. Re:Just bought an S7 by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know where you work, but from the information I gathered in your short comment, you are the kind of guy who should be writing product reviews.

    2. Re:Just bought an S7 by AK+Marc · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Reception is a carrier's problem, not a phones.

      And people would rather have a big battery with 2 hour life than a small battery with a 2 week run time. At least, that's how it looks from reading reviews.

      The endgoal for battery life is 0 battery life, and chargers everywhere. A wireless charger everywhere. In the car, at home, at work, stores, for guests in offices, everywhere. You don't need to have a battery if it's powered everywhere, and for camping, you take a power pack.

    3. Re:Just bought an S7 by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Full agree.

  23. Disk Space by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

    Maybe things are wildly better in the Android world (probably?), but as an iPhone user, I'd just like to see more disk space so I can carry around my whole mp3 collection and actually use the super high rez cameras they put on these things for video. 128GB seems really small for 2016.

    You could probably keep me on the upgrade treadmill for another decade (the every 2-3 year treadmill, I'm not interested in anything shorter), if you simply doubled the flash memory every 2-3 years.

    No, I'm not interested in some hacky subscription based cloud solution which means I can't actually access my music and files when I'm hiking in the mountains.

  24. The author is 90% wrong by OpinOnion · · Score: 1

    The only thing that has peaked with smartphones is the need for more hardware in a smaller package. They have officially shrunk down and added most hardware features we need for awhile. The problem is that the OSs and apps barely scratch the service in what a smartphone COULD do it the UI and apps were refined. It's smart hardware, but really really bad software for the most part. Most apps on Google Play, MS Store or Apple Store are trash.. they are apps designed to make a quick buck more than solve any real problems. Many times making money off of features that are in the OS and ppl don't even know about. That's not a business model that builds a good customer relationship over time. It's an abusive relationship where Google kind of pushes users into the pool and says.. SINK OR SWIM. We are at the mercy of random fly by night app makers WAY too often on Android. Just look at the trash in the Play Store it should be obvious that smartphone software is very lacking. Stepping up your brain power an actually imaging where the smartphonere 2.0 platforms are going is a lot more useful and it helps you understand what I mean by software being the real limiting factor. It's key to note that the business models of iOS and Android are the core things making the platforms into entertainment platforms fire and productivity platforms a distant second. In the LONG run a market place can be good, but in the early days it creates a lot exploits and predatory coding. Google has done poorly to regulate this out. Apple has done infinitely better, but not great. MS probably has a far better Mobile OS in the making, but who knows until it's tested more. To me Windows 10 is what I mean by smartphones 2.0. These are phones designed to more realistically mimic the usefulness of computers and not just iPods. All current phones are more or less modeled after Apple's success with the iPod and iPod Touch. The problem is those are just kids toys. They are platforms meant to sell us entertainment first and foremost and things like very easy access to feautres are a distant side note on Android and iOS. I hope MS will pressure them into making more realistic mobile platforms that integrate into our desktops correctly. I don''t think most of you realize your getting screwed by Google and Apple pretty hard. Google is not accidentally funneling users into Google Music. They are 10 times worse than MS ever was at the height of Windows power. Google controls and defines Android and they have broken from the start. You can't use a lot of the features of the phone because the OS locks you out. Then on top of that you can't use a lot of features that developers COULD add in because Google blocks them or steals focus by forcing pre-installed apps designed to get you signed up for 10 bucks a month. The mobile platforms are entirely for profit platforms. The business models behind them dictate that they are not really tools being made for users. They are platforms being made to sell apps and the priority on that is overwhelmingly in the favor of profits and not a quality product. Voice commands are not something that should be taking decades to get. Voice commands were possible 20+ years ago on a desktop but nobody thought they were useful enough other than a few companies. MS could have had voice integrated way back in 95 is they had gotten to it. Keyword recognition does not require that much CPU power. Teach users to say the right command and it works.. let the babble stuff and you need a whole datacenter to maybe figure it out. In any case the problem is Google and Apple and MS not taking the right directions. Phones and desktops are lacking TONS of software features and particularly integration between mobile and desktop. Do you guys never ask yourself why doesn't google make like a GOOGLE app for Windows that would handle all the Android integration at the OS level? It's because they CAN MINE YOUR MORE when you use Chrome or Android so they don't want to make tools for your desktop. They want you to forget your desktop exists and take 3 times

  25. Bloat by ohnocitizen · · Score: 1

    Smartphones are dealing with a problem that PC's had to conquer. I haven't felt like a PC I run has bloat for ages. (True, I mostly run Linux and Mac, but even Windows 7 and 10 have felt responsive).

    Contrast that with Samsung and it's night and day. I've held off upgraded because despite the faster processor and more ram, reviews (http://www.techtimes.com/articles/137991/20160302/samsung-galaxy-s7-bloatware-takes-up-massive-8-gb-of-internal-storage-from-the-get-go.htm, http://www.tomsguide.com/us/sa...). These can't be uninstalled without going above and beyond what a user should have to. If our PC's pulled shit like this we'd riot. So it's no wonder the upgrades fail to impress.

    It is also no wonder we don't see radical innovation - obviously the companies are content to push the same shit over and over because we buy it over and over.

    1. Re:Bloat by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      TouchWiz sucks. Sense, ColorOS, and just about every other one out there, including "pure" Andriod, are better than TouchWiz. Nobody wants Samsung's restrictive app store. Deals with apps to run only on Samsung (and only through their App store), locking out side-loading of apps that would otherwise work.

  26. Some of us are still waiting for what we want by markdavis · · Score: 1

    >"Compared to the Nexus 4, for instance, the Nexus 6P offers a significant improvement."

    Because you skipped over the Nexus 5.

    Some of us (me included) don't really need any tons more speed or 1,000,000 DPI displays. We don't want 3D. We don't want iris scanners, virtual keyboards, 100 megapixel cameras, or other gimmicks..... We want LONGER BATTERY LIFE, reliability, modern memory and storage options, in a SMALLER phone without losing any features, for a reasonable price.

    I am a Nexus 5 owner and love the phone. Even today it is fast enough. But was very turned off by the only Nexus upgrade path- the Nexus 6. I didn't want a big phone. And tons of us screamed that. Google sorta listened and a year later the 5x finally comes out. Although reasonably small (it is still slightly larger than the 5), it is almost double the price but is a low end device! No 4GB RAM, no 64GB (or 128GB) storage, mediocre battery, AND NO WIRELESS CHARGING!

    HELLO!!! Just because many of us don't want a tablet sized phone doesn't mean we want 4-year-old specs for memory and storage. I have money to spend for a real upgrade to the Nexus 5 and still waiting...

    1. Re:Some of us are still waiting for what we want by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      your one concern is actually the coolest thing, tremendous improvement in lifetime for all batteries is around the corner, we can just shove a better battery into our existing good-enough pocket phone/texting/portable browsing appliance.

      But this stupid Alex C cunt with her whines, who the fuck wants VR from their fucking pocket telephone? for what?

  27. Spot on about the Moto G by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    I picked one up when they came out and there is simply no reason for me to upgrade to anything else for the foreseeable future. IT works. Its only true weakness is the camera.

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  28. Does it matter that we've reach Peak Toaster? by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Funny

    Toasters are in a ridiculously boring place right now. I'm expressing my discontent with the leading Cuisinart, Black & Decker, Hamilton Beach and Kitchenaid models. These have not redefined the way we toast, nor have they blown us away with unprecedented toasting speeds, or wowed us with extraordinary extra settings knobs. Each of these toasters is merely a marginal improvement over last years or even last four decade's toasters. The latest offering isn't going to leave a big impression on you. The industry is currently making small noises about what it thinks could be the next big thing. Some players believe that it could be the IoT addons. We will have to see how much traction that gets.

    1. Re:Does it matter that we've reach Peak Toaster? by mcswell · · Score: 1

      I have yet to figure out what this IoT is good for (I think I'm agreeing with you). So my toaster can text me to tell me my bagel is done? That's not high on my priority list... I suppose I could get a odor-of-rotting-food detector for my refr that would text me, but I can smell that just fine when I open the door. And I recently replaced the smart thermostats in my house with dumb ones, because the smart ones (not networked) were too hard to program. (I program computers as part of my job, so no, I'm not a technophobe.)

      BTW, re toasters: my last one was B&D, and it was worse than any toaster I've ever had. Why, you ask? I'm so glad you asked! It was because both the automatic pop-up and the push-up lever pushed the toast up only about an inch. Barely sufficient for a full-sized piece of bread, and completely insufficient for a bagel or English muffin; you had to reach down in the toaster with a fork (or turn it upside down) to get those out. And no, that is _not_ safe.

      I realize this is all completely off-topic...

    2. Re:Does it matter that we've reach Peak Toaster? by Kant_resistor · · Score: 1

      Toasters could be way better.

      Shorter toasting times through more intense heat radiation (just a few extra grams of metal in the wires), burn prevention for the toast and the user, more ergonomic knobs; but what about the really good stuff: what about a color sensor so that you can set your toast to come out "looking like this"? Presets for different family members' toast-doneness preferences? Seriously--"bagel" is the best they can do?

      Too bad that Steve Jobs died. He was pretty much our only hope for cool stuff like this. If you can name another guy who cares as much as he did about the product, and actually runs the company, I would love to hear it--really. And no, Dell does not count. Please.

    3. Re:Does it matter that we've reach Peak Toaster? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      sorry but more intense heat just blackens the surface while there is still lots of untoasted bread inside. i know this just from improvising a toaster in various ways.

        I dunno even while alive Job's things kind of ran off the rails of intuitive simplicity, and common sense lacking in implementations. Like how they DON'T use their own OS's "file" command to tell that a file is in fact a text file and could be opened by their text editor (and many other common files that could be opened by other apps on Mac OS if they would just use the "file" that every unix-like OS has including theirs). And the key-combos are ridiculous for common tasks, taking a screen shot needing to hold down a buttload of keys.

    4. Re:Does it matter that we've reach Peak Toaster? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      My problem is those soft plastic spatulas that wear away (right into my food? ew!) , we could call those "software spatulas". And those cheap metal ones that are softer and limper than my dick gets when reading about systemd, We've not only passed the peak spatula, we're going downhill in spatulation.

    5. Re:Does it matter that we've reach Peak Toaster? by Kant_resistor · · Score: 1

      Yeah, not saying Jobs was a saint by any means. As an ubuntu/mint guy for seven years--a latecomer--I completely agree with you about Mac. My wife has a Macbook. I literally cannot make it work--I'm like a chimp with an abacus. Finally I decided that itunes just does not want me to have a library on a server or a removable hard drive. It's not part of their business model. So fuck them. One Mac in this household is plenty. And, I can't block ads on any of my idevices. So, I don't browse on idevices. Fuck them. So I'm a dinosaur with linux mint and Firefox and Thunderbird to download my gmail, and I am very happy about it. But I still think that Jobs truly did bring incredible dedication to "the product," and you just don't find that any more in business. Except maybe in the music field: Ernie Ball, Gibson, Gretsch, etc make pretty good products for not much money, and it really is about the product.

  29. So what if they have?! by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

    What's so bad about that? Hardware stability, software performance, all of these are good things.

    Oh... riiiiight, the fucking shareholders. That's the problem. They expect the gravy train to always run run run. It won't. Get used to it. The number of available scams (er, new product "innovation") are dwindling.

    I expect smartphone makers to refine what they have, listen to customer feedback, and forget about trying to out-do each other.

    This is why my next phone will be the iPhone SE, or its descendant. I don't want a bigger screen or a thinner phone. I don't need a bigger screen or a thinner phone. I do want what I have right now, a decent camera, a fingerprint reader, and reasonably sized phone that won't double as a fucking surfboard if I would put a keel on it.

    Comprende, Apple, Samsung? I don't want your stupid micro tablets like the 6S and Galaxy. That's why I've not rushed out to get the 6 or 6S -- or the SE for that matter. My 2.5 year old 5S does all I need, and does it very well. I'll replace it when it either breaks, or the battery fries or some other catastrophe happens to it. And it'll be a four-inch phone, guaranteed.

    I don't care what any of you people think, I love the four-inch screen and heartily applaud Apple for listening to people like me and making a well-made, non-plasticky premium four-inch phone.

    Do I sound a bit defensive? You bet your sweet bippy I do. All I hear from friends and co-workers is "wah wah wah big screen skinny phones rulz and if you don't like it you're a strange weirdo" and I'm thinking "those fucking 5+ inch phones just don't fit my hands right!"

    Form is dictated by function. To me, huge phones don't function as I use them. So fuck off, big phone. Thank you apple, for making a nice, well-made little phone again. I'll buy it when I need it.

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  30. PAN galaxy garble blaster by epine · · Score: 1

    What I want is my next phone to operate in PAN mode (personal area network), in which I wear the SIM card / "${new_shiny}G" transceiver / shared-storage-volume on my belt, and then I use any peripheral I wish to use in conjunction with it (dumb phone, smart phone, tablet, smart watch)—possibly several at the same time.

    As I see it, each device would have essentially it's own installation and software profile (with the majority of storage local), but there would be enough on the belt blob that you could just pick up some device lying around (supposing you trust it enough) and associate it temporarily, and have it work well enough as a "guest" device on your PAN to get by.

    I'd be totally happy to have two belt blobs: one for voice service and another for data service, provided it all worked together seamlessly. I'd source each service from the most competitive bid.

    I dislike the current phone architecture and security model so much I turned my Android data modem off six months ago (after uninstalling most apps with any kind of dangerous permission bit) and haven't really missed it at all. I kept the light meter, sound meter, scientific calculator, stopwatch/timer and signal strength meters (GPS, Wi-Fi, "${new_shiny}G"). I would also have kept "POTS-comparable audio quality" if I had managed to download such a thing (maybe I just didn't search hard enough).

    It hasn't been a problem. I'm around Wi-Fi often enough to not care and I rarely drive anywhere unfamiliar.

    If you ask me, we're definitely at peak phone, but it's a dystopian peak, not a design peak.

  31. I want a $50 smartphone by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    What I would love is a $50 smartphone where I can at least partially upgrade it. A few things such as a better battery would be nice if. The simple reality is that while I have an unlimited everything package, I don't use my phone for that much. I use the maps, occasionally surf the web, run a few apps of no particular hardship on the CPU, listen to lectures and audiobooks, listen to podcasts, listen to music, and check simple things such as the time or weather. Oh, and I take non critical pictures and videos.

    My present phone is an iPhone 5C which was an upgrade from a 4S only because the provider I switched to won't support the 4S.

    I might switch to the 6 because of the larger screen. But if I could switch to the larger screen and only have the capacity I have now, it wouldn't bother me. In fact a 4S with a larger screen would be fine.

    Even then the only reason I had a 4S is because I develop apps and my 3G couldn't go past iOS v5.1.1. So maybe I would still be using the 3G if I had not been "forced" to switch.

    I think boiled down, I really don't need a $500 plus smartphone. If it weren't for the app development issue my phone would probably be something like the OnePlus 2. Simple, cheap, basic, and by far, good enough.

  32. Platform is defined but technology is evolving by seoras · · Score: 1

    Anyone seen or played with one of those tiny spectrum analysers that Texas instruments sells for $1000 a pop?
    Smaller than a mobile phone and runs on a mobile battery.
    That, I think, given the speed of miniaturisation is the next big thing in technology to come to our smart phones.
    The value really won't be in the hardware but in the reference databases and software that make it useful.
    Imagine going out to eat and scanning your food for calories, additives, nuts (for allergies) before eating?
    That's real power in your pocket. That's your trekkie "tricorder".

    1. Re:Platform is defined but technology is evolving by seoras · · Score: 1

      http://www.ti.com/tool/dlpnirscanevm

  33. Re:Good for a laugh. by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

    Interesting exercise in cherry-picking statistics until you actually look at the link.

    However, you neglect to mention India with nearly the same population as China, which only has 17% smartphone penetration compared to China's 58%. So in China and India aggregated, "most of the population still doesn't have a smartphone" is true, and considering that Pakistan, Vietnam, and surprisingly even Japan are well below 50%, I see no reason to think Wilson's claim is inaccurate.

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  34. We haven't reached peak Smartphone. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    We're at peak Smartphone when each device has 2TG of storage, 64GB of memory, some 3GHz something 8-16 core CPU, 50 hrs. of battery life and enought gfx power to be used as a PS4 replacement and a desktop workstation. At the same time.

    Give, we could already be there, but convergence hasn't caught on yet as an overall concept with the general populace and phonemakers are still making plenty a buck by inching out increasingly smaller upgrades to strange early-adopter flagship markups of 2-3 times the price for a slightly weaker phone. As look as that stiil works, we won't see an ultimat smartphone.

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  35. So? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    It's called "mature technology". I bought a Galaxy S7, and now, it's not innovative. It just combines the best features of the S5 and the S6. The fingerprint scanner is several orders of magnitude better than my old S5. My only complaint is they left out the infrared blaster, so I can't use it as a remote control for my TV. There are other technologies they could add, but smartphones are too expensive already for something people are going to replace every two years.

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  36. Re:One segment that has not reached peak smartphon by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    I loved the mechanical keyboard in my G1. What people don't realize is that typing on a touch screen requires watching the screen, whereas you can touch type without looking on a mechanical keyboard.

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  37. More about saving money: by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2

    I bought an unlocked dual SIM GSM phone for $29. I use it with a T-Mobile account that costs $10 per year (after paying $100 the first year). It works well for answering phone calls when my FreedomPop Samsung Galaxy phone (no monthly charge) is away from Sprint coverage.

    Now it it possible to get an unlocked Blu phone for $20. Or, if you think that is too expensive, $18.

    An advantage of the less-capable phones: More than thirty days of stand-by time. ($74)

    One of the nice advantages of being heavily involved with technology is that you can feel comfortable saying no to technology. I've met people who felt they had to have the latest iPhone because other people bought the latest.

    I am not, of course, saying anyone else on Slashdot would make the same choices.

  38. Features They Should Try by snadrus · · Score: 1

    Hyperspectral cameras
    3d / dual / depth-sensing cameras:
        - combine with WiDi to get an air-keyboard, air-mouse instant connection to a bigscreen = PC
    P2P network topologies
    Medical Sensors
    Completely-Sealed (zero port) GoPro "survive anything" design: Bluetooth, wireless charging, etc
    Wireless USB: just be connected
    Hub of an IoT home

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  39. We haven't reached peak smartphone. by John.Banister · · Score: 1

    When I come home and browse the web using my monitor, keyboard and trackball, but my computing device is still the smartphone in my pocket, then we'll be closer to peak smartphone. When I'm playing my virtual reality videogames and doing my virtual reality tourism, and have ditched my monitor and television for my augmented reality display, and my computing device for these activities is the smartphone in my pocket, then we'll be closer still to peak smartphone. Peak smartphone is still quite a ways off.

  40. Better and bigger battery by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

    The innovations are so incremental that it is hardly worth covering and has been like that for years.

    If a vendor would dare to make their phone even 2mm thicker to provide excellent battery, THAT would be news worth covering. I know I would buy it. For example a iPhone 5 SE+, not with a larger screen but 1,7mm added (back to iPhone 4 depth) to provide more battery,

  41. Ad hoc (IBSS) mode missing by cpghost · · Score: 1

    Basically, it's not the hardware that is the problem right now with phones, it's the OS. Specifically, stock Android still doesn't allow IBSS mode, so it's not possible to build ad hoc P2P communities to extend the reach and range of Wifi networks. Or, maybe, to create the new killer-app, like say, nomadic file sharing. There are some patches out there for Cyanogenmod to enable IBSS for some Broadcomm chipsets, but unless Google finally decides to merge them back into mainline Android AOSP, there won't be any momentum to see widespread adoption of ad hoc networks, and therefore new uses for smartphones any time soon.

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  42. There is innovation in Chinese smartphone market.. by codguy · · Score: 1

    There is seemingly more innovation in the Chinese smartphone market right now though certainly there is a lot of copying and catch-up, too. But some of these Chinese manufacturers release new models many times per year instead of just on an annual refresh cycle. They have been trying things like multiple displays, cameras with changing orientations, dedicated hardware buttons for instant photo snapping, huge batteries, etc. Overall quality is picking up, too, but for sure, there is still a way to go. But nonetheless, these companies are probably more agile and willing to take some risks vs. Apple, Samsung, etc. LG at least seems willing to try something new once in a while.

  43. Phones might have peaked... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    ...but inexpensive access to data plans has not. The biggest roadblock to broader smartphone adoption is the ridiculously high price of operating them. Even 50$ per line and month is grossly overpriced for what you get an how much it costs the carrier.

  44. PR piece by kwoff · · Score: 1

    I'm probably too cynical, but any story like this I assume it's a PR piece. Maybe pre-hyping some other announcement, or playing down the recent story about Apple expected life times.

  45. Re:One segment that has not reached peak smartphon by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

    The Priv is available on Verizon now.

  46. To be fair... by nvm_my_comment · · Score: 1

    Smartphone (benchmarks) were always boring.

  47. Re:One segment that has not reached peak smartphon by neminem · · Score: 1

    This. I'm stuck with my current smartphone, and when it eventually dies, I'm just stuck. I would love a modern midrange phone with a slide-out keyboard like my current Photon Q, but there just... isn't one.