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EgyptAir Flight 804 Missing (cnn.com)
dark.nebulae writes: An EgyptAir flight disappeared on it's way from Paris to Egypt resulting in loss of 56 passengers and 10 crew members. The plane was flying at 37,000 feet when it vanished shortly after entering Egyptian airspace. It was suppose to land in Cairo at 3:15 a.m. Thursday after leaving Paris' Charles de Gaulle Airport at 11:09 p.m. local time. CNN's aviation correspondent Richard Quest said, "Planes just do not fall out of the sky for no reason, particularly at 37,000 feet." He said the plane vanished while cruising -- the safest part of the journey. We'll update the story as more details emerge.
UPDATE 5/20/16 3:57 AM (UTC): Egypt's civil aviation minister says it's more likely terrorism than a technical issue. Greek officials said the plane swerved sharply and plunged from 37,000 feet down to the Mediterranean as the plane left Greek airspace for Egyptian airspace. [Source]
UPDATE 5/20/16 3:57 AM (UTC): Egypt's civil aviation minister says it's more likely terrorism than a technical issue. Greek officials said the plane swerved sharply and plunged from 37,000 feet down to the Mediterranean as the plane left Greek airspace for Egyptian airspace. [Source]
Alahu akbar.
also BBC source
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36309492
Allahu Akbar ;[
There are a lot of nerds here, and people who know about aviation and engineering.
It's not clear about the nature of the distress signal or beacon in the Mediterranean; it doesn't seem like that's being reported yet. My best guess is that it's a device that's activated upon hitting the water, but that's not certain. It doesn't sound like the pilots issued a distress call.
It's very odd to have a loss of communication at 37,000 feet without a distress call or telemetry indicating there was a problem. It takes a few minutes to crash from cruising altitude. Weather doesn't seem to be an issue. I don't think it can be ruled out that there was no telemetry or ACARS data; we just don't know yet.
It's really hard to have any indication of what happened. However, there are unconfirmed reports from mariners that they witnessed an explosion in the night sky. That's incredibly alarming, if it's true.
There are no other alternatives - modern planes don't just break up mid flight and if it had been another pilot suicide the radar track would have shown it descending whereas it simply vanished indicating catastrophic break up. Given the distance from the coast my money is on a bomb, either in the hold or on a terrorist on board.
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Looks like someone managed to get something on the plane.
I wonder how much "Allah Akbar"ing was going on ?
Let's not judge this too quickly. The plane could have been full of Leftists. Then, we have to respect their values and understand it's just 66 people out of billions still alive. It's nothing important.
While it is the most probable for a mid air disintegration, the reality is that there were airplane which disintegrated fully or partially lost parts mid air. See airplane china lost in Taiwan in 2002. Usually those are due to metal fatigue or improper repair.
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I wouldn't be too quick to put this is a terrorist attack. As someone else mentioned, it's much easier for them to bomb it at the airport, and terrorists crave media coverage - why would they blow it up in the middle of nowhere, especially if it's going to take a while to find? They could just be the stupid kind, but my bet would be on something else, perhaps an electrical failure of some sort. Them not having telemetric data is very very odd, most planes come loaded with it, and that furthers the case of this not being a bomb - I doubt a bomb could take out every single part of the aircraft, or rather, I don't think they could have snuck an explosive powerful enough to do that onboard. I would wait until we have more data to draw any conclusions.
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Oh shit, what up!?!
Airbus / Scarebus continues its ritual un-prosecuted pre-meditated killing of passengers world wide. From forcing tsunami destroyed countries to buy Scarebus to get aid, to failing the A380 150% wing-loading test, Scarebus builds on its reputation for falling out of the sky. FL350 cruise and it "breaks up". Nice. Good planes.
Boeing crashes are always explained: Pilot error (e.g. recorded CFIT). Terrorism. Improperly maintained. I've read the reports. ALL of them, damnit! Airbus can barely solve their accidents they are so bizarre.
As I said before. A lot of the SCAREBUS's fail and they lie and say they fix the issue. Since the A300, the VSTABs seem to like coming off all the time. I'm amazed that a European death-cult-company flown largely by European death-cult-airlines now have the balls to blame American regulatory bodies for their murderous sleazy ways?
How is the FAA supposed to find out they lie when they pull stunts like the A380 wing loading failure?
Shouldn't Murderbus-Scarebus care enough about people's lives not to want to cheat?
Scarebus continues its engineering of murder and mayhem the world over. How many of our sons, daughters mothers and fathers and wives and husbands must be murdered by SCAREBUS before we stop this animal!
All I have to say is : B-17, B-24, B-29 and B-52, these planes were built in ways that could soak up gun fire for well over 60 years. They know how to build planes that have more than normal survivability. Air BUS. Its not AirPlane, its AirBus. Cheap garbage made as cheaply as possible to line the pockets of fat cats and unionized sickos and the safety of the plane is left to be at the EXACT minimums required, and they cheat often at those. Airbus is the culture of death. If you own stock in them, you are a killer. If you work for them, you are a killer.
Being part and parcel to engineered murder is being an accomplice to a crime. Even buying a ticket on an Airbus plane gives some degree of culpability in an attempted murder!
Sorry I'm getting in your way, lovers of death. I'm sorry that trying to get to the root cause of a corrupt as hell SCARELINER company SCAREBUS is something you find bad. ACCOMPLICE! But I will not stop.
If you own stock in or work for EADS/Scarebus, you are owning stock in E-V-I-L. Accomplice!
If you can't see why Scarebus is inferior, you are a murderous psychotic.
Ask yourself, in the cases where the VSTAB has come off the SCAREBUS, why the HELL DOES A PIECE OF AN AC FLOAT !
Cheesy cubicle walls in office buildings don't even float, so what the hell is the SCAREBUS VSTAB made of?
ILL TELL YOU WHAT ITS MADE FROM.
MURDER!
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I maintain that Airbus puts murder into every plane. I've seen the Boeing vastly exceed design limits. They LIVE to tell the story. Airbus and Air France want to blame thunderstorms and bad weather? I've been into the belly of the BEAST in a super-cell in the worst turbulence every felt by anyone, its me, and the Boeing kept Going. If it was a scarebus, it wouldn't have survived. I KNOW THIS!
The Orion P3 and the Hercules C130. They were made first in 1962/63. And yet these planes can fly into Hurricanes, ON PURPOSE.
Yet murder-scare-bus disintegrates like a sugar cube in hot water from a little action at FL350 ?
Its not screwing up, or a series of events. Its ENGINEERED MURDER! They do this. Boeings exceed every requirement. They don't tell the pilots or the customers what the true limits are, but the maximum loading and speed and various numbers they get are HIGHLY conservative and in reality the plane can go way beyond them.
MURDERBUS gives a number, and if you go within 10-5% of that number and THE WHOLE AC COMES APART AND KILLS EVERYONE!
Airbus AC are remarkably good at KILLING EVERY SINGLE SOUL ON BOARD. MURDERBUS/SCAREBUS incidents are 100% fatal.
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Christ, do you have that rant saved, ready to use? Did an Airbus aircraft run over your pet goldfish?
the plane vanished while cruising -- the safest part of the journey
Unless a stray air-to-air rocket got it into his infrared sensor.
I hope Charley Hebdo will not start to publish cynical caricatures about an air accident again.
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Planes just do not disappear suddenly.
If there is any kind of mechanical issue, or a hint of it, pilots are trained to report immediately to the ground. All we have at this time is a news report about an automated distress signal, which is released by the plain automatically.
Remember Lockerby: it took years to put all the evidence, and it disintegrated over the ground. Flight 804 has disappeared in the middle of Mediterranean sea, investigation will be extremely difficult and costly. It will take weeks to get the flight recorders and it will take months to gather some plane parts. Marine environment is very unfriendly to the forensic evidence.
Because of the uncertainty, it will have a chilling effect to Egypt tourism (second airplane crash within 12 month), and, possibly, even longer TSA lines in USA. People will now need arrive to the airport not 2 but 3 hours.
This tragedy may also add several percent points to Mr. Trump's popularity, and could possibly win him elections.
If you have an airplane safety budget, would you rather spend it on preventative safety measures, or speeding up the location of the very small number of planes that crash and aren't found quickly? Other than a few notable exceptions (AF447, MH370 being the main ones) we generally find planes within an adequate amount of time, especially considering that it typically takes months to conclusively determine the cause of an incident and make recommendations that might improve safety.
This plane has probably been found already with divers and black box pinger locators en-route. The real issue for us is that the authorities are more concerned about figuring out what happened then keeping the 24 hr news monster updated.
Bwahaha, Boeing shill eh, they must be getting desperate if youre the best you can do. What a load of twaddle.
Why is this on slashdot?
It is just a normal common garden variety news story - I don't need to go to a tech site to find normal news.
And also, because the plane was from and was going to a muslim country, the racist fuck heads will be out in force.
I was hoping the new owners would help slashdot rise higher but apparently not.
Still not worth logging in to......
stray air-to-air rocket
Not the sort of thing that's usually misplaced. Granted there are frequently combat aircraft, representing a number of different counties, flying sorties in that part of the world but you'd think someone would notice if one returned with fewer missiles that it left with. Then again, media suppression is also par for the course in some places.
Dave420 will be wondering whether the Mormon Tabernacle Choir or the Women's Institute are to blame. After all, he thinks that every religious organisation is equally likely to commit acts of terrorism.
Well, that is close to turkish airspace...
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Not that it really matters but it's "Charlie Hebdo"
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All it takes for a plane to "disappear" from "radar" is that its Mode-S transponder fail. Since air traffic control doesn't really use radar anymore (except in the US, where the government prefers to live in the stone age), relying instead on self-reporting by GPS-enabled transponders sending squitter messages. Passenger jets take care of minimums and separation themselves now, rather than relying on ground-based radar, which is wildly inaccurate compared to GPS.
In any case, all a pilot has to do to disappear from the universe is turn off the Mode S transponder. Poof. Gone. Without going to an antique radar system (which still cannot tell altitude), that plane is invisible.
pilots are trained to report immediately to the ground
That's not how I was trained. I was always told: "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate, in that order." Or "First, fly the plane." In other words, conversations with ATC take the lowest priority.
we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family Anatidae on our hands
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New owners, please take note: this is not tech news. Its not even interesting other than as a human tragedy. It is reported widely and in more detail on every commercial news site. Please don't waste space with stuff like this.
a 90 degree turn to the left then a 360 degree turn. Sounds like the flight control system or one of structural components of the aircraft weren't functioning. I would hate to be one of the passengers or crew on that flight because you know what was going to happen. What caused this will have to wait until the investigation completes or unless one of the N number of terrorist organizations claims responsibility. My bet is on the latter.
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ILL TELL YOU WHAT ITS MADE FROM.
MURDER!
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The guy knows next to nothing about planes other than being a passenger on one. And he's the guy who was arrested in Central Park after he was caught jerking off with a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals and with meth in his pocket.
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CNN's aviation correspondent Richard Quest
Oh my, where do I even start with that one?
CNN hasn't even found MH370 yet and now they're jumping on another missing plane story?
Is Richard Quest[*] some relation to Dr. Benton Quest ? Is he some sort of black sheep of the family for some reason?
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So many posts about terrorism - but aren't pilots horribly underpaid and exploited, living shitty lives far out of proportion to their perceived station?
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Christ, do you have that rant saved, ready to use? Did an Airbus aircraft run over your pet goldfish?
He's just farting in our general direction.
Sounds like he should be the reporter of the "fun time in the city" -section. At least he knows what flying feels like. Wait, that was mescaline.
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Unless a stray air-to-air rocket got it into his infrared sensor.
Oh jeebus, now we have to worry about wild packs of stray air to air missiles roaming the countryside? Please friends, remember to spay or neuter your munitions.
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EgyptAirror 804: Wreckage found.
Too soon?
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I don't know which version the BBC article had when you posted that, but they've found the plane, which did crash in the ocean.
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Wow, I love this. The amount of crazy just intensifies as the comment goes on!
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You do know that a Italian Airliner was shot down in the same area by a NATO plane .
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/MORE_DOWN/itavia.html
The official explanation was a missile gone stray during military exercises.
So not so unusual unless you think NATO was lying
Though there were accusations that the plane got shotdown by mistake while NATO was trying to shootdown Gaddafi's plane.
Israel has a history of shooting down civilian airliners.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Arab_Airlines_Flight_1103
So does the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
With NATO, Israel and the US all in the area carrying out active operations I wouldnt rule out a missile shootdown so soon
Shot by whom exactly?
The usual suspects (US, Israel..) are Egyptian ALLIES (well at least have a peace agreement) and have no interest in doing this.
The Israelis aren't engaging anyone over the Med in air-to-air combat and neither is the US.
A SAM launched from North Sinai? Maybe..
Air-to-air: HIGHLY unlikely.
It could be unintentional. For example, something like what happened at the 1967 USS Forrestal fire. Or a rocket could be released during training and went amiss. I mean there is nothing what can happen to such an aircraft as A320 at this altitude by itself.
It is like, I do not know, for example, cycling on an empty even path in good weather and suddenly crashing on the ground without an apparent reason.
Perhaps a meteor hit it. Perhaps it was a covert assassination of a passenger by an unfriendly state. Or, perhaps a serious defect of the plane itself.
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