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Study: '50% of Misogynistic Tweets From Women' (bbc.com)
An anonymous reader writes: A study performed by researchers behind the Internet campaign "Reclaim," suggests that half of all misogynistic tweets posted on Twitter come from women. The campaign is designed to show the public the impact of hate speech and abuse on social media. They have opened an online forum to discuss ways to make the internet less aggressive, sexist, racist and homophobic. For the study, thinktank Demos counted the number of uses of "slut" and "whore" were used on Twitter to indicate misogyny. They analyzed 1.5 million tweets sent by UK Twitter users over a three-week period and used its own Natural Language Processing tool to filter the tweets in order to determine whether they were used aggressively, conversationally, or for self-identification. Demos found 6,500 unique users being targeted by 10,000 explicitly aggressive and misogynistic tweets. Internationally, they recorded more than 200,000 aggressive tweets using the same terms that were sent to 80,000 people in the same three-week period. It claims it found 50 percent of the abusive tweets to have come from women. BBC also notes a study performed in 2014 from cosmetics firm Dove that found over five million negative tweets were posted about beauty and body image. Four out of five of those tweets were sent by women.
After all, a companion shouldn't have to put up with misogynistic nonsense like this.
... and misogynistic, again proving the need for for to take gender studies degrees.
Clearly these women have deeply rooted cases of internalized misogyny thanks to the always present patriarchy.
Down with STEM!
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I gotta ask. Does this automated system think sarcastic or even more so, does it include responses to the material as the material itself since it would include many of the same words as responses?
Just because someone says something sexist or funny does not make him a "misogynist". I know lots of people who say sexist stuff, some of which is true, but no one I know actually hates women.
Thanks, Slashdot, for continuing to misuse the term.
Could the terms not have been used — if only in some cases — to indicate unhealthy promiscuity or express some other disapproval (e.g. "He is such a ratings-whore!")?
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by any other name is still a _ _ _ _.
So when do they study misandry and start to treat that as seriously as misogyny? You can't be gender inclusive when you officially ignore hate speech and discrimination against half the population.
- Tweeting "slut" or "whore" is not even close to the extent of online misogyny, even on Twitter
- The tweets that were processed and determined to be aggressive/conversational were not then used in the ratio of men/women using them, so it's not "50% of abusive tweets were sent by women", it's "50% of all these tweets were sent by women" with no indication as to which were conversational and which weren't
- No peer review, not published in any academic journal, no independent verification on the accuracy of the "Natural Language Processing" filter
All in all, completely useless.
It's well established that in rape cases, women on the jury sympathize with the rapist rather than the victim. Women in Muslim countries have no problem with sexual slavery of other women. A friend of mine who went to Saudi Arabia because her husband got a job in an oil company said that women there asked her why she doesn't let her husband get a second wife so that she could do their housework. Also, many female coworkers have told me they rather work with or for men rather than women because they are less likely to get backstabbed.
The reason for this is because the cultures of the world to varying degrees program women to think a certain way.
It would be nice to clean up the net, of course. But when people use these terms, they use them because they are impactful and .. well, mean. We can completely remove slut and whore from internet jargon but it does nothing about the problem, new words just take over. This is because people that arent racist use racist terms, people who are not sexist use sexist terms. These are fighting words, nothing more (I believe for a majority of times this is true). So it follows that half of these uses are from woman, they get into internet arguments too, and they use hurtful words for the same reason. Are they self-loathing women? no.
If 50% of all misogynistic tweets come from women, then it can fairly easily be extrapolated that the whole of modern culture hates women equally. If that's the case, maybe it's the women that need to change?
" ways to make the internet less aggressive, sexist, racist and homophobic"
i stand behind the zeroth law.
I will remain as aggressive, sexist, racist and homophobic as I please!
The other 50% all come from realDonaldTrump.
the correct headline should be "women and men equally likely post misogynistic tweets", no?
Rerun the test with Bitch and Cunt. See if the demographics don't change.
I'm not saying men don't say 'slut' and 'whore'. But those terms are mostly used by catty bitches talking shit about each other. Truth: Most men kind of like sluts, less work. It's women that hate sluts, sluts drive down 'the market' for pussy.
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Does anyone else here really dislike the Discourse forum software they're using for the discussion site?
First of all, I find it really slow. I'm sure it doesn't help that it uses Ruby on Rails on the backend, and a lot of JavaScript on the frontend.
Second of all, the flat discussion is really awful. It's frigging impossible to follow the discussion. It's not obvious who is replying to who. This encourages people to post shitty YouTube/Facebook/Twitter-like "I think that ..." comments with no substance, which results in a total lack of real discussion happening.
Third of all, it's so common to see these sites only allow social media signups. Fuck, I don't use social media! It should always be possible to sign up and log in using just a username and a password.
In my opinion, Discourse embodies everything that's wrong with the Millennial/Hipster approach to software and UI design. Something that should be fast and usable instead becomes slow, bloated and inconvenient thanks to their awful ideas.
How the heck are we supposed to engage in discussion on that site if the forum software they've chosen is so, in my experience, shitty?
Many of the insults available in the English language are gender-specific, especially the stronger ones. It seems like that often leaves little choice but to include gender when you really want to blast someone.
I wonder what the frequency of words like "slut" and "whore" are on the internet vs the frequency of "male" words like "asshole" and "prick".
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This article is so misogynistic! I bet it was written by a woman!
Just like other slurs, those words are "their words." Perhaps women use them with the justification that they can empathize with the impact of them, but men cannot.
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Just wondering....
It's always good to have quantitative data, though the definition of misogynist seems a little vague and unreliable.
But I hope they don't expect anyone to be surprised by this.
These cunts should analize Australian tweets.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Woman are very competitive, more so than males ironically.
It has changed more as time passed and humans left their tribal stages and became organized societies.
Woman became the competitor whereas men just became a sperm giver and nothing more.
I've never known any woman, including my friends, to have not cheated, or been "slutty". It is just a norm.
The only place it isn't norm is Imagination Land where parents think their "kids" are so totally innocent and can do nothing lewd at all, forgetting when they were once kids and went through the exact same shit they are going through.
Even worse if it is the religious type and the "kids" aren't, holy shit they get demonized so hard for simply being Human and having sex before society says they shouldn't. (some arbitrary age at 13-25, take a pick, almost all of them are in use somewhere)
Women are the new competitors for recognition.
And it is kinda sad some of the things people do to get said reputations, especially amongst peers.
Males just punched shit out of each other until they get all dem wimins.
Women are far more subtle and destructive because they actually think before punching as a last resort.
Our society is a pathetic one indeed.
It is why I take no part in any of it.
H.L. Mencken — 'Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.'
I bet you that 50% of Nazi jokes are made by women as well. I make racist, homophobic and sexist jokes. I am in no way any of those things (and no, I am not interested in being told otherwise by a stranger). Those types of jokes and words are funny because we know they are absurd and a bit innapropriate.
This does not mean that racism, homophobia and sexism do not exist. Simply that the only way to identify those attitudes in a person is to discuss what they believe and watch what they do. A study like this only tells us what is happening on the very surface of pop culture. That is interesting in itself, but you must be very careful what you extract from it. As happens so often, these people have started with a conclusion and would have concluded that it was proven no matter what the data said.
Really what it comes down to is there's a certain percentage of the population always actively looking for any excuse to say something upsetting because they derive entertainment from the reactions, or perceived reactions at least. Once you add a veil of anonymity you find that there's nothing left tethering such behavior to factual statements where it comes to things that you can't prove without knowing the identity of the poster. How this could be a big surprise to anyone though really harms my faith in society as a whole.
I wonder how many of the "50% women" are actually men pretending to be women online.
There's an old joke that goes: "The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents—and they're men!"
(I heard it years ago, right hear on Slashdot.)
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This is known, why is this a surprise to anyone?
What's the over/under on the majority of these misogynistic women self-identify as "feminists"?
What else can happen when an unstoppable force collides with an immovable object?
Good thing the folks like Gamer Gate wouldn't lie about their gender when they create their troll accounts.
If women engage in "misogynistic speech", it must be because men forced them to internalize misogyny! What other explanation could there be?
Trying to get to the truth using simple widespread generalizations and dividing people into groups is a fool's errands that will most likely fail on the worst way possible.
Were the percentage anything other than 50%, the men would be blamed.
patriarch oppressors oppressing
> 50%: confirmation bias response -> "women today have such low self-esteem that they do this to themselves because of the patriarchy"
= 50%: WTF? response -> We can't blame this one on the men, gals.
Women need to own the fact that they are vicious to each other.
The way society is today, in most cases, only a black person is likely to remain socially (and perhaps physically) unchallenged if calling a black person, including themselves, a "nigger." It fairly clearly follows that only a woman is likely to be able to call another woman a slut under the same broad umbrella of conceptual shared circumstances.
Sometimes a black person may mean "nigger" just as it is defined: ignorant, etc. Or some variation of ironic racist classing, inclusive or not. Sometimes, it's a term of endearment.
Same for women calling each other sluts.
Speaking as a man, if some woman called me a slut, I'd be all like "oh, you bet. No doubt at all. Totally." Without any worries about it. Because I aspire to sluthood. I would totally be down for it... er, up for it... If some woman within my esthetic preference range were to say "hey, wanna screw like bunnies?" :)
Because there is a difference in the male and female perception of who calls whom, what, and why, and how our various self-image / social preconceptions integrate with all that. Turns out we might want to consider each other's feelings, etc. Not to mention potential ass-kicking issues.
Hey! I'm a misanthrope. Leave me the fuck alone.
You missed it by about 2 minutes.
No wonder you have been unable to bring a woman to climax.
No contest. They pull the strings. They talk the yang. They harbor the racism. They let fear dictate their emotions. They want the deepest levels of revenge.
Don't try to understand women. Women understand women, and they hate each other.
so is 50 50 worthy for an article?
It has been known for a long time that most slut shaming comes from other women. If you pay attention, you see how much women stab each other in the back. Anyone who doesn't see how women are their own worst enemy is fucking blind.
I think the primary reason slut shaming primarily originates from women is that they are trying to enforce a hierarchy in order to secure services from men, and so to shame a woman as a slut is a way to ostracize competing women from their own social circles. Alpha men can get a way with slut shaming, but rarely do it because they generally quite like sluts and have sex with a lot of them. They're more likely to praise and encourage women to be promiscuous. Beta men simply can't afford to have their masculinity called into question, and so they don't dare do it.
Those are the words they are using to determine the percentage of female Twitter bullies?
This doesn't prove women bully other women as much as men do, it just proves women are a lot less creative in their bullying (clearly no one involved in the study is actually a woman receiving any typical form of Twitter misogyny). But I guess that's the kind of idiotic non-science you get from a "think tank"...
I suggest that the material in question in the research is not misogynistic and instead there is a discrepancy between what the posters believe they mean and what the researchers classify the meaning as. By definition you would expect misogynistic posts to be more prevalent by men.
My worry is that this research is being purposefully used to erode free speech. Often the misogynistic posts discussed by the media are also awkward criticism of officials or politicians. Use of the misogynistic "card" quickly stifles debate.
We are in dangerous times when we allow politicians to dictate the meaning of words and to tell us what people meant during online debate.
Four out of five of those tweets were sent by women.
Johnson & Johnson ran an online baby (photo) competition. They eliminated any woman guilty of verbally 'bashing' other babies in the competition. Women abusing other women isn't limited to their direct actions (eg. number of sexual partners, 'price' of sex) but other lifestyle attributes too. Since men don't go around calling babies ugly, or disrespecting their mothers, this abuse is totally the responsibility of women who, in this case, also have babies.
Thank god people at least laugh at MRAs
Yes they do, but the father's amongst them stop laughing and join them when they loose their children to state sponsored sexual discrimination in family court. The common default custody arrangement in US family law is for the man to get 1 day per week custody and the woman to get 6 days per week, the man then has the privilege of paying the expenses for the extra time that is AUTOMATICALLY awarded to the woman. A recent bill in Florida that tried to change the mandated default to 50/50 custody was vetoed by the governor. Ironically every mainstream feminist organisation in the US continues to lobby in support of the only current example of systemic state sponsored sexual discrimination anyone can point to in the US.
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It's amusing to see groups announce that they want to "take back the Internet".
If you're going to take it back, take it back before the september that never ended.
Of course not every study has to be on both.
But how many studies on misandry do you think have been done?
By the same logic, would they conclude that the vast majority of racists against black people are black because they are the ones who use the word "Nigger" (or derivatives) more? I have heard many instances of women calling each other slut as a friendly nickname, with no offense meant. Perhaps a bit misguided, but definitely not misogynistic on itself.
Though in all fairness, the study itself does not conclude that half of misogynistic tweets come from women. They report that half of the usage of the words 'slut' and 'whore' is by women, but they make a distinction between casual use and offensive use (and more distinctions within this). While not peer-reviewed, the study makes for interesting reading.
call other woman sluts because they are affraid "their" men will more easily start an affair with them and they don't want to invest effort in more sex to keep them,
And the other 50%?
Real women on the internet, ha! That will be the day...
misogyny, n: Disagreeing with a Feminist.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Phrasing along the lines of, "just another dumb bitch", generalizes the slur and indicates an overall attitude. "You stupid bitch", is specific, indicating only an attitude towards one individual.
Women tend to use emotional violence against their enemies, while men tend to use physical violence against their enemies. Men, denied access to physical violence on the internet, resort to using emotional violence. Men and women are the worst scum of the Earth and should be banned from the internet.
In a women dominated medium, are 50% of women related tweets from women.
Maybe most men do not have the time for drama?
I believe this. Women are catty. How many times have you heard women complement another woman on her new pixie haircut? All the time. How many times have you heard men do the same thing? Rarely. Women are really competitive against one another. I have personally witnessed a female manager bust on (and eventually fire) a far-more-talented female subordinate for no other reason than they were a threat.
I don't mean to say that women can't be sexist at all. But if a women is treating another women in a certain way, how can you consider that sexist? Isn't sexism defined as a negative treatment of someone of one sex by someone of the other sex?
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Just look at how many women are stupid enough to support Trump and Cruz.
Like Libertarians, there are a bunch of different branches on the the feminist tree, with Victimists and to a degree Radfems getting the most camera time. "You will always be judged by your worst members."
Some Feminist varieties:
Fix it Yourself Feminists: If a 12 year old boy can use a hoist to pull a car engine and rebuild it, so can a 12 year old girl. You do not need to teach your son not to rape because I taught my daughters to put all their rounds in the 10 ring.
Fix it Yourself Feminists are usually not very tolerant of whining.
Humanist: Generally they believe that People are people, treat them well until they earn different treatment. They feel that if you just want to benefit yourself and people like you, at the expense of others, you can go fuck a light socket.
Fatminists: Women for whom supporting, enabling, and/or encouraging obesity, is the focus of the feminist cause. BBWs unite!.. at the buffet!! Fat acceptance now! Many become or are also, femmisogynists.
They are heavily dependent on internet echo chambers and the idea that "If you tell a lie enough times, it becomes the truth."
Victimists: "The Man", "Patriarchy", "male privilege", etc is why they are not a success. To be a credible member you are required to have been raped (violently raped, date raped, thought raped, eye raped, fart raped, etc). If you haven't been raped, then make up a time that you were raped.
You are fully entitled to become physically ill when one says "You are not a real woman, if you have never been raped."
They are always finding misogyny in everything. They are currently heavily driving emotional investment in rape as a concept and a word, so as to weaponize the word "rape", they have seen some respectable success in this endeavor.
The other reason they push to make rape a more and more horrible crime against women (not men) is just building the best victim card that can be played whenever they want. This is why you see them say that it is better to be murdered than raped. A rape is worse than the holocaust!
Keep in mind that other groups have their Victimists. MRAs/red pills tend to also be Victimists for the male cause.
Mechanically this works because of our species built in sense of fairness but talking about that is a few thousand more words.
Femmisogynists. Hate the female power base (sex) and women who are strong in it because they have no power there or are very uncomfortable with it (growing up in a religious culture that hates women/sex can do this to anyone). They try to shame women who are attractive. They hate attractive women more than any misogynists ever could hate a woman.
They like words like "objectified" and "sexualized".
Some will say they are "sex positive" but that is a laughable lie when you listen to the bile they spew all over the subject.
Ethical sluts: Know their power base and are not ashamed of it, they are in many cases, proud of it. This is really impressive after thousands of years of Abrahamic religions hating them (women), as well as Femmisogynists hating the shit out of them. In their ability to tell society it is wrong and can go fuck itself, they keep punk alive.
They feel that they have the same right as a man to go around topless.
They are despised by the Femmisogynists. To quote a Femmisogynist "You are all 'Tools of the patriarchy'!!! Stupid whores! You are hurting feminism you dumb bitches!".
If you consider having sex as your power base to be bad, consider that men have violence as their power base. Also consider that the sex power base is most likely the reason that we as a species live in huge cities and have sent people to the moon, rather than just continuing to roam the plain in small groups of hunter gatherers digging for grubs and running from leopards.
Lastly: if you are a woman who considers having sex as a power base to be bad, you are probably a rabid woman hating Femmisogynist.. though the misogynists sure hate the power base when it is used for power.. or at least when they figure out t
A significant number, perhaps a majority, of feminists deny that misandry exists, or is even possible!
In the face of this kind of basic dismissal your calls for statistics and even-handedness are ignorant and a vicious form of deflection.
94% of workplace fatalities. 100% of selective service registrants. Historically 99% of military casualties. Those should be enough statistics to prove to you that misandry is a real, systemic, significant problem that is of equal if not greater importance than misogyny.
However I expect you to simply continue belittling and dismissing that which you cannot fit into your biased worldview.
40 years of feminism correlates with 40 years of falling family incomes.
Productivity is up, but the rigged and overpopulated labor market enriches the .001% and slowly bleeds everybody else.
Like most isms, feminism if just another divide-and-conquer tool used by the oligarchy to oppress all the rest of us.
Congratulations on being part of the oligarchy's cadre of useful idiots.
Twitter is for Twits.
The very fact that you offer a hashtag as some kind of useful data about anything tells me all I need to know about the rest of your logic and arguments.
Misogyny is an equal opportunity employer. (Racism is trying to become an equal opportunity employer, for shame!)
What happened to the good old intertubes, where men were men, women were men and the children were FBI agents?
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