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Massive Backlash Building Over Windows 10 Upgrades (fortune.com)
Some Windows users are now disabling critical updates on their systems rather than face the prospect of mistakenly upgrading to Windows 10. An anonymous reader writes:
"By pushing it on users in such a heavy-handed way, Microsoft is encouraging users who have very valid reasons to stick with Windows 7/8 to perform actions that leave their machines open to attack," writes PC World's senior editor. He adds that "Over the past week, I've received more contact from readers about this issue than I have about everything else I've written over the rest of my career combined."
Now even China's official news agency is reporting that users are angry about stealthy Windows 10 upgrades, saying over 1.2 million complaints appeared on one microblogging site. It quotes a legal advisor with the Internet Society of China, who says Microsoft "has abused its dominant market position and broken the market order for fair play," saying that lawsuits would be justified over Microsoft's action. "Yang Shuo, a worker at a Beijing-based public relations company, told Xinhua that the sudden update interrupted his drafting of a business plan and led to a meeting cancellation for a deal worth 3 million yuan ($457,735). 'Just because I didn't see the pop-up reminder does not mean I agreed.'"
In a possibly-unrelated development, the Chinese military plans to send nuclear submarines into the Pacific Ocean.
Now even China's official news agency is reporting that users are angry about stealthy Windows 10 upgrades, saying over 1.2 million complaints appeared on one microblogging site. It quotes a legal advisor with the Internet Society of China, who says Microsoft "has abused its dominant market position and broken the market order for fair play," saying that lawsuits would be justified over Microsoft's action. "Yang Shuo, a worker at a Beijing-based public relations company, told Xinhua that the sudden update interrupted his drafting of a business plan and led to a meeting cancellation for a deal worth 3 million yuan ($457,735). 'Just because I didn't see the pop-up reminder does not mean I agreed.'"
In a possibly-unrelated development, the Chinese military plans to send nuclear submarines into the Pacific Ocean.
Yes, I am writing a business plan too ,
Dammit, I just lost $457,000!!!
*Goes to join the MPAA and BSA to help them explain how their lost profits are calculated*
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EU should act over forced upgrades via deception
Just like they did with IE bundling, and now Google bundling.
EU should take Microsoft to the cleaners for forcing W10 underhand
Slashdot editors have been trained to cross-promote in every story rather than actually contributing their own thoughts.
The subs will sit off the coast of Washington, ready to fire at the next automatic update.... That's if they're not running Windows onboard.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
"Oh, and HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate /v "DisableOSUpgrade" /t REG_DWORD /d 0x1"
Silly rabbit, the next Windows critical security update will fix that registry error you just created.
First off, your off topic. This article has nothing do with Apple.
It wrong with Apple does it and it's wrong when Microsoft does it. That said, what Microsoft is doing would be the equivalent of installing the update when you hit no/cancel in your iPad.
SJWs are the new boogeyman. -Me
Win 10 will dominate the Windows market, the world will move on, and Microsoft will consider defending and possibly losing a massive class action suit as merely a cost of business.
What really needs to change across the board is the sizes of penalties in both civil and criminal suits against big companies. When the typical award is between 50 and 500 times what it is today, large corporations will tread more lightly. Until then, law suits, fines, etc. are just a business expense that the C-levels have already predicted and the bean counters have factored into their projections.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
Create a blank .reg file and put this in it
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001
Then run it, alternative manually add those keys to the registry yourself.
Yes, I know this isn't exactly user friendly and NO it shouldn't be necessary but it works all the time, every time.
It's even documented on the Microsoft website, go on have a look : https://support.microsoft.com/...
Why this is STILL not common knowledge I don't know. All you get from everyone is bitching how "Microsoft shouldn't be doing this" and "how dare they have the gall to do this". If EVERYONE on Slashdot put some effort in to spreading the word about this pretty simple fix, then a LOT of people would not end up with Windows 10 when they don't want it.
Hey maybe Slashdot could run a quick piece on it? Perhaps spread the word to some mainstream press with a link to a reg file hosted by someone trustworthy.
Alternatively let's all just keep rehashing the same fucking discussions about how "update KBwhatever" keeps coming back when hiding that has never been they way to fix this problem.
"hipster"
"SJW"
You have no idea what those terms actually mean, do you? You just heard them used in negative contexts and know people don't like being called them and, without any further research, decided to apply them to everything you don't like.
The businesspeople complaining about this forced intrusion on their workflows are neither hipsters, nor are they SJWs.
I'd like to see a nasty class action lawsuit against Microsoft in this issue. Not that I like lawyers but this is a very damaging and deceptive action on Microsoft's behalf.
...this had been opt-in instead of try-repeatedly-to-opt-out, Microsoft might been able to gain lots of positive press for offering a newer, allegedly safer, somewhat spying OS for free.
As is, with it being rammed down people's downlinks with little or no regards for the users wishes or data-caps, the angry backlash should been predicted and expected.
Everything in the world is controlled by a small, evil group to which, unfortunately, no one you know belongs.
Microsoft is assaulting its user base with features and upgrades that they don't want.
hounding, harassing, misleading, and tricking users into doing things they don't want to do is a great way to lose even more market share and foster an even more toxic reputation that Microsoft is unscrupulous and an increasing unnecessary nuisance.
it is hilarious to me that there are actually people here who will defend MS and even blame users for their OS being upgraded against their intentions.
when you have to watch your own system like a hawk and protect it from multiple vectors of attack ... from the company that MADE that OS ... man, it is time to re-evaluate whether it's worth the hassle at all. amazingly, Microsoft has managed to plant that seed of thought not in rabble-rousing Linux faithful, but average joes and janes who have no desire to become security experts and update ninjas just to keep their machine from changing its operating system on them. good job MS, alienating one of your most faithful demographics.
i could live a little longer in this prison
I am installing GRC's never10 at an alarming rate. I have had to make at least $1600 in the last week alone charging $25.00 for the 10 minutes it takes to install it on their personal computers..
Thank you once again Microsoft for making the IT guys job more relevant than ever, at this rate I'll be able to afford a vacation home by fall.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
adds a workaround. I did a couple of different registry tricks, but I still ended up with 10 on my 7 desktop this week without my permission.
That's about how we feel as well. We've never allowed updates to install fully automatically, but our default policy used to be that we'd normally install recommended updates unless we had a good reason not to. Not long after the Windows 10 mess started, that policy changed to install-nothing by default, and we just have someone review the security updates each patch day and make a list of any that it seems (a) we might actually need and (b) don't come bundled with anything else we don't want.
The thing that makes me nervous, even though it's quite rational as a business decision, is that until we've had time to vet, we now don't install anything. Our assumption is that the risk of some new security vulnerability that isn't patched for a day or two and also gets past all our other precautions is lower than the risk of Microsoft shafting us with an update we really don't want.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
First off, your off topic. This article has nothing do with Apple.
He's commenting on the heavy, biased, and relative over-reporting of the Microsoft windows 10 upgrade push issue while any one else who does it is given a free pass.
Apple is just an example.My mom's ipad nags her to upgrade every single day. Where are the stories that apple is pushing unwanted upgrades with no way to shut them off?
It wrong with Apple does it and it's wrong when Microsoft does it.
Quite. But it's apparently only newsworthy when Microsoft does it?
That said, what Microsoft is doing would be the equivalent of installing the update when you hit no/cancel in your iPad.
Its really not.
Suppose Adobe flash pops up and says it will complete the flash upgrade install when you reboot your PC. with a single button that says: "OK"
Clicking the window corner close-window "X" or even hitting "Alt-F4"... only an idiot would think these actions some how would ever "Cancel" the flash upgrade next time it the computer reboots. That's not how it works, and everybody with half a brain knows that's not how it works. Expecting doing that to cancel windows 10 upgrade is just... silly. Spilling a bunch of ink over it is even sillier.
Complain rightfully that Microsoft is being aggressive, belligerent, and ought to stop, or even be sanctioned... but there's no reason to imagine nonsense about the X button, which is doing exactly what its always done: dismiss the window. Whether or not it cancels the action... some times it does, other times it doesn't...it depends. You can't assume it's cancelled and there are countless examples where dismissing a notification window doesn't cancel...
Here's another... If outlook pops up a window saying you have a meeting in an hour, and you click the 'x' in the corner, or alt-f4 outlook... it doesn't cancel the meeting.
All you did was dismiss the window. Spilling ink with headlines like "clicking X on outlook notifications doesn't cancel the event! waaaaahhhh!" is just silly.
I feel a bit conflicted on this one. On the one hand, you're absolutely correct - MS is pushing this to monetise the OS and use windows store platformto generate a new revenue stream to compensate for the drop in PC sales etc.
But on the other hand Windows 10 has some stuff in it I really like. Ignoring briefly the dubious back peddling on the ux disaster that was 8 and 8.1 there's some nice stuff in there like OneGete and powershell 5 and native stuff like virtual desktops and forthcoming ssh and bash shell etc. Some stuff lifted from other platforms who but nice nonetheless.
The real problem is it's gonna only get worse as they try and suck everything into Azure and Office 365 and a variety of other vendor lock in stuff. All looks somewhat enticing now while they love all the open source at the moment. But this can't last.
All my 7 installs are Enterprise, which are "not eligible" for this "free upgrade" lol.
"This is what happens when millenials and hipsters make decisions."
I've never seen 'hipster' used in the same context as 'Windows' before. What's next - hipster shuffleboard?
...it is hilarious to me that there are actually people here who will defend MS...
It wouldn't surprise me if there were paid shills defending Microsoft on the boards. Probably wouldn't be the first time Microsoft did something like that.
I would probably buy win10 on my next new computer without giving it a second thought but I'm very resistant to upgrading my win 8.1 system.
On top of that, Microsoft's behavior is giving me a strong push towards linux for my main permanent box.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Wow! Many of the comments above have somewhat justified or accepted Microsoft's abuse.
1) Can we have a court case to force Microsoft to sell everyone the Enterprise version of Windows 10?
2) On Windows 7 and 8, turn off automatic updates and use Autopatcher. Unfortunately, Autopatcher has not begun supporting Windows 10. We need independent control over Windows operating system updates. How can we achieve that?
3) Don't let Windows connect to the internet. Use 2 separate networks. There would need to be some way for the separate networks to communicate. Internet access could be done using separate computers running Linux.
Microsoft has a long, long history of releasing defective code and fixing it later. After fixing 2,722 vulnerabilities and other defects, Microsoft declared Microsoft Windows XP "end of life". After fixing almost 3,000 defects, Microsoft declared Windows XP was too vulnerable to use.
We still have 17 computers running Windows XP with a software firewall. We've had no problems. Everyone is a limited rights user.
4) We need international support for a Windows-compatible operating system, like ReactOS.
5) Maybe the U.S. government now only helps the rich gets richer. The European government could bring a huge court case against Microsoft.
I guess you werent around when Microsoft was convicted of being an abusive monopoly....
Good-bye
Argue away, but the fact is Slashdot warned me in time. I thought I had put Win X to bed a long time ago, but up it pops again. I killed it again, thanks to Slashdot. Don't know how long it will stay dead, but at least it is for now.
How about a moderation of -1 pedantic.
The iOS control panel allows you to disable automatic downloading and installation of OS updates.
Windows does not.
It's really that simple.
My parents were just hit with the Windows10 upgrade. I had not bothered to block it on their computer. They are older and now more confused than ever about what happened without their permissions. Many of their saved passwords were cleared out to sites. They struggle to use Windows as it is and Microsoft does not make it easy on a normal day. I truly think that a massive class action suit against Microsoft would easily win hands down.
The first law firm to step up and push it right could make some money. End users may not get a whole lot out of it, but it might make MS shut up and listen.
An no I normally don't like these types of law suits and don't like most lawyers, but this clearly shows need.
My folks were already on the verge of going to a Mac. this may push them over the edge.
(For whoever missed the reference and thought I was trolling: here you go.)
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
A few days ago I fixed a business computer. It kept nagging and finally installed Windows 10.
The result?
1. The upgrade finally killed the (very old) hard drive in the PC. Errors everywhere, had to be replaced.
2. The old office suite no longer worked.
3. The antivirus messed up.
4. Somehow during the process the email screwed up and they lost some of it (not repairable.)
5. The custom order entry system he used no longer ran.
So a new hard drive was installed and Win7 put back on. Everything was reinstalled, and I put in the GPO policies and registry tweaks that stop W10 for now... until Microsoft decides to change it again.
When I told them they'd have to probably spend $700+ replacing their old software (and still risk the order entry system not working) they were very mad at Microsoft. This was their only functioning workstation and so its lost definitely affected business operations. The computer store was backlogged over a week (!) fixing issues like this one so they called me.
http://osxdaily.com/2016/01/04...
Option 1: Punt the iOS Update for 24 Hours
If you take this route, get used to pressing Later and Remind Me Later repeatedly, as in 24 hours you'll be asked about it again. And 24 hours later, again. And another 24 hours later, you can go through the process yet again, until you either give in or move along with another of the options below.
That was option 1. The other options are even more awesome.
Option 2: delete update and avoid wifi forever.
This deletes the available iOS update which stops the iOS update from popping up every day, however, the moment you're on a sustained wi-fi connection for a while the iOS update will download itself again automatically and start sending pop-ups to install it again.
Option 3: Accept the update.
Avoid the upgrade reminders by accepting the update. yay solution!
Option 4: Block the update domains on your firewall.
Of course this means blocking all updates for all apple devices on the LAN... and only works while you are at home; so hardly a solution at all really.
This is just as shite as Microsoft, if not worse.
maybe you can clarify this mystery for me. Critical updates and reocmmended updates are two different categories. The Winodws 10 update is a recommended update, not a critical update. So if one turns off recommended updates, one does not get the Windows 10 upgrade. But the critical updates still come down fine. So how do you go from installing recommended updates AND critical updates, to not installing any updates at all? Is it just an issue of mistrust?
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> I feel a bit conflicted on this one. ... But on the other hand Windows 10 has some stuff in it I really like.
Suppose for a moment that Windows 10 was awesome, as good as sex. And Microsoft is forcing it upon people who don't want it. How do you feel about forcing sex on someone who doesn't it? Still conflicted?
In my case, I have expensive hardware which is controlled by a Windows application, an application which doesn't run in Windows 10. Without Windows 7 or earlier, I have to throw out several thousand dollars worth of equipment.
The title is wrong. It should read :
"Not enough Backlash Building Over Windows 10 Upgrades "
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On Thursday I turned off "get recommended updates like you get important updates" (or whatever the exact text it) on my wife's computer. I *just* got a call from her telling me that her computer started installing Windows 10. I changed the setting specifically to avoid the 10 install. I double checked that my desired setting was in place after a reboot. So, no, turning off recommended updates doesn't always avoid 10.
capthca: outrages
Well, that's true for everyone using Windows 10 today, so ...
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What's more, the notification windows says right in the middle "CLICK HERE TO CHANGE SCHEDULE OR CANCEL THE UPGRADE": http://core0.staticworld.net/i... So why do people who do not want the upgrade actually read the text and click there? Are they just mindlessly X-ing everything away?
People don't read the page, the scan the page. Do a test with a group of people and an eye tracker, and they will probably see this on average:
1. Windows 10 is recommended upgrade for this PC (“I'd rather not”)
2. Sunday, May 22, 11:00 PM (“Certainly not! Bugger off”)
3. OK (“No, it's not OK”)
4. Upgrade Now (“FU! Where's the other option ?????”)
5. X (“That's want I want: CANCEL the incestuous bastard”)
The broken HDD is very common. Many drives, as they age, effectively become 'read only'- where the heads reliably retrieve files, but new write operations damage the surface of the aged platters.
MS just doesn't give a damn. The upgrade triggers a vast number of write operations, and as sector failures occur, Microsoft's dreadful HDD 'fix' program kick in trashing the enture drive. No yes, dribblers and creps will tediously claim this is the 'fault' of the owner for not replacing the drive when it got to this state- point the saliennt point is that the HDD faults were currently NON-CRITICAL, and the user OS settings reasonable for continued use.
Installing a new OS on an OLD machine should only be done to a new drive, SSD or memory stick. The old drive must be left alone (and yes, someone really should copy the criticla files to a new storage location- but we all know that).
Care to share the actual damages you suffered at the hands of this free update reminder?
My time. I could have used it to better myself, or masturbate or whatever.
Please don't tell us you were tricked into installing it since you don't use Windows
Who told you that? I talk about using Windows all the time. I paid for Win7Pro, on purpose.
and according to you, you are the smartest motherfucker ever to walk the face of the earth.
Alas, I still talk to ACs, so that can't possibly be the case.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
The result?
2. The old office suite no longer worked.
A friend of mine had W10 forced on him recently. He didn't notice an option to cancel the "upgrade", although it could have been there. After W10 was installed, his Office 2010 demanded the product key. He couldn't find his original installation media, so he couldn't use Office. He had something that he needed to do in Word, so he looked for alternatives. Another friend suggested OpenOffice, and he installed it just fine. He called me for help using OO, since he knows I use it in Linux. I helped him resolve his technical issue, and we have another happy non-Microsoft user.
Since he paid for Office, he should be able to use it for as long as he wants to. The fact that W10 breaks an existing installation is silly and underhanded.
Go Microsoft! Keep shooting yourself in the foot. Class action lawsuits rarely accomplish anything more than making a few lawyers richer than they already are. With that in mind, the best chance that Linux fans have is for Microsoft to alienate their customers so badly that they look for non-Microsoft alternatives. So far, Microsoft is doing a wonderful job of alienating their users.
Well it started out as an Optional Update.
Then it became a Recommended Update.
Next it will become a Critical Update.
And finally an Unavoidable Update.
When something pops up you might be in the middle of typing something, such that you press a couple more keys out of inertia before you've fully registered the popup... I've had that happen on many occasion and it's extremely annoying...
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They need to bring this to court, so a judge can solve this the right way-
"Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella, this court is considering fining MSoft $100Billion. But I'll totally give you an out- my laptop is running an app that sets the actual fine. If you can figure out how to get the app to NOT fine you, then we'll go with that. Otherwise you're assumed to have agreed with this dollar amount, and waived your rights to appeal. You have five minutes, and... GO!"
I am not a sig.
That alone isn't enough. They needed to be fined enough that they get the message. There's no way their legal department didn't inform the higher ups that this kind of abuse would leave them open to liability, but the past has proved to them any resulting fines are a minor fraction of the money they made doing it. The only way to actually discourage this kind of behavior is to make the fine so severe that their shareholders take notice. I'm thinking a whole quarters profit should get that message across, which Google tells me was $5bn in Q1 2015.
Which action gave Microsoft permission to install the forced upgrade?
sPh
Years and years of scummy, shady web-based malware pop-up windows with fake "Yes" and "No" buttons that do the same thing have conditioned many users to opt for the "close windows" X button as a more fool-proof way to ensure that nothing happens.
But as others have pointed out it's too late by the time this window appears, and they don't believe the only real solution, hitting the "cancel update" button will work.
-- You are in a maze of little, twisty passages, all different... --
maybe you can clarify this mystery for me.
Today's windows updates when it damn well feels like it.
Or even tricks you into it. I have one machine that pops up a blank window, always on top. nothing in it. when you try to get rid of it, it starts to install W10.
Is it just an issue of mistrust?
Is what I just described the tactics of a trustworthy company? I fear Microsoft bitching up my computer more than any malware . Though some would consider that to be redundant.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
That's interesting. Thanks for making a cogent reply to this question I've been asking since the whole business started.
Did you doubt the veracity of all the people who have said they "upgraded" without their input?
Or otherwise trick you into it, in some pretty devious ways, like my blank Window that stays on top and won't go away. In the end, I have to click in the window - anywhere will do - and quickly kill the next window that pops up, because it is starting the upgrade process.. In the end, it only make sense - a company that downloads an operating system on your computer without your permission probably doesn't feel that they need your permission to do anything.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
We really need to come up with a good name for people who accuse anyone who disagrees with them a shill.
Insightful.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Yes, that is quite annoying. It happens a lot less often in windows 10 with the improvements to the notification area that doesn't steal the focus when notifications popup.
Its one of the (many) actual improvements in Windows 10.*
If Microsoft would pull its head out of its ass and let 10 sell it self it would. All the negative word of mouth about 10 are connected to the telemetry being forced on, and the windows updates from 7/8 being obnoxious.
Liar. I sit here typing this on my iPad 2, running iOS 7. It is eligible for iOS 9.2.3 (or whatever the most recent rev. Is); bit I don't CHOOSE to upgrade. About once every few weeks, I see a REMINDER that the new version of iOS is ready for download. I DISMISS the Dialog by clicking "Not Now" or whatever, and THAT IS THE END OF THAT.
I have an iPad Pro 9.7 running iOS 9.3.1, and *every* day I get a reminder for upgrading to iOS 9.3.2, even though it has been pulled for that particular model due to a nasty bricking bug. When I press select the option to postpone the installation, I get sent to a login screen with a very well hidden "press here to cancel update" link. You really ought to do your research before throwing around words like liar and asshole.
The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head
The free upgrade period for Windows 10 ends in July. What happens after that? Microsoft is pushing it so hard that it's really hard to see them putting a price tag to it.
Only dumb birds land downwind.
First they came for the Optional Updates, and I did not speak out...
would rather chance a malware infection than an involuntary Windows 10 upgrade
They're the same thing aren't they?
Do you know of any cases where folks with the 'Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates' option is unchecked and the Windows 10 upgrade has been an issue? That's what Microsoft says to do, and I haven't had any problems with it. That doesn't mean everyone had the same experience, certainly, but from the news stories and jabber here it seems not many people understand this setting exists or its theoretical relationship to the upgrade.
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I don't know what you're doing about updates you don't want, but Microsoft has "revised" the update in question at least ten times so far. Each time an update gets "revised", the hidden status goes away. If you simply "hide" updates that you don't want and leave Windows Update on automatic, one day you will wake up to Windows 10. You probably aren't doing this, but a lot of people are.
I just gave up and turned Windows Update completely to manual-only and stopped bothering with it. But I normally don't use Windows for anything but playing a limited number of online games, and I certainly don't use IE/Edge (web browsing is done on a laptop running OS X), so my attack surface is a bit smaller than average.
In contrast, I've seen an "Upgrade to El Capitan!" window only two or three times, and I have at least three Macs that I work with regularly. I've tried to figure out how to stop it, but it's never happened enough for me to learn anything about it. It never tries to force the update (I'm sticking with 10.9 for now), and apparently it actually respects your decision not to upgrade, instead of repeatedly nagging, downloading 6+ gigabytes without permission, and then forcing the install. Maybe Microsoft could learn something from that.
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More insightful than your comment to be honest. I was pointing out that the word shill gets thrown around a lot, especially in windows threads.
The Microsoft paid shill has escaped the once narrow definition, and now represents anyone who makes over the top statements in support of Windows or any OS or device. Shill might be one of the kindest words to use for these jokers. The "every problem is your fault" folks, the misinformers, the deny that Microsoft is doing what they say they are doing folks, the blatant liars. Many doing it all for free, and approaching troll and axe grinder status
And yes - this does happen a lot in Windows threads. There is a reason for that. Shill fits pretty well.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
"Apple is just an example.My mom's ipad nags her to upgrade every single day. Where are the stories that apple is pushing unwanted upgrades with no way to shut them off?"
I get nagged every few days to upgrade my iphone and a simple touch of the screen puts the annoying box away.
I clicked yes once by mistake and got a confirmation box, where I clicked no.
There was no automatic installing at random hours.
There was no installing anyway when I clicked anywhere other than 'no'.
When I clicked yes by mistake, a verification gave me the chance to say 'no' again.
So no, it isn't the same thing that Windows 10 (aka Windows Shaft) has been doing to users - including my father in law the doctor who clicked on the x and had his system upgraded anyway, resulting in his medical applications no longer running.
No, it really isn't the same thing at all.
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
1. Isn't that kind of expensive?
Yes and no. It's annoying that someone has to spend an hour or two each month looking up the new security updates to make sure they're not doing questionable things before installing. It's a lot less expensive than having our systems compromised, whether by updating to Windows 10, installing telemetry that potentially raises regulatory or contractual compliance issues, etc.
2. if you can't trust your supplier not to try to trick you why are you using that supplier?
When we bought these systems, we did trust Microsoft. Now we don't, because their behaviour is no longer trustworthy. We aren't currently buying any new Windows-based systems. We are currently experimenting with other platforms. There's nothing inconsistent here, just a supplier that unfortunately changed for the worse over time.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
No, it really isn't the same thing at all.
On the other hand, Microsoft makes it easy to roll back to your existing version of windows after you update; good luck doing that with Apple.
Fair point but I still don't class it up there with surprise unstoppable upgrades of the OS.
If Apple does go that route then I'll be screaming right along with the rest.
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
This. Like the Hitler thing, there will always be someone who flippantly posts "just don't use windows" with a misguided air of superiority.
So, in a futile attempt to put this to rest: if it were that easy, that's what people would do.
But it isn't, and Microsoft knows it, and that's why they're doing what they're doing.
If you don't rely on software that requires Windows, happy for you. If you got the spare time and the inclination, there's Linux or BSD; otherwise, Macs have become pretty damn bullet-proof turnkey solutions for getting the essentials taken care of and then some. Throw in a Playstation 4, and you've got games covered, too.
But for the rest of us, it's a huge shit sandwich, and we're all gotta have to take a bite.
Take it easy, Charlie, I've got an Angle...