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Clinton: It's 'Heartbreaking' When IT Workers Must Train H-1B Replacements (computerworld.com)
dcblogs writes: Hillary Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, on Monday criticized the replacement of U.S. IT workers with foreign labor but stopped short of offering a plan to fix it. In a videotaped interview with Vox, Clinton appears empathetic and sympathetic to IT workers who have trained their foreign replacements as a condition of severance. She mentioned IT layoffs at Disney, specifically. "The many stories of people training their replacements from some foreign country are heartbreaking, and it is obviously a cost-cutting measure to be able to pay people less than what you would pay an American worker," said Clinton in the interview. Keith Barrett, a former IT worker Disney who was among those replaced by contractors, was not happy with Clinton's comments."She starts off as if she understands the problem, but then dismisses it as collateral damage not of significant volume to address, and blends in the problem of illegal immigrant labor, which is mostly working in unskilled labor," said Barrett.
It's Heartbreaking you're not in Jail.
#BernOrBust
I am shamed that Bernie would endorse Clinton, as a NH resident, I feel even worse we have to host the event he is going to endorse her in - what CNN and NPR would at this point consider already done with a bow tied around it.
Clinton is just as wrong as Trump.
#BernOrBust
Wouldn't "Made in China" literally mean that H1B wasn't used in such cases?
I find it heartbreaking that in these egregious cases politicians don't speak out against it as well as attorney generals don't prosecute people for violating the law. If you are training your replacement then it is obvious that there is an American capable of doing the job and that a H-1B holder should not have it. I have written my polished turds of elected representatives on this issue and from most I got a non response (thank you for contacting your congressman or senator form letter) or a letter blaming republicans for blocking last year's comprehensive immigration law that would have expanded the H-1B program (thanks Amy Klobuchar you ignorant senator of small things)
Time to offend someone
Clinton is making it clear that for Democrats, immigration is an issue primarily about Latino voters --- not tech donors. The tech industry has sometimes thought of itself as first among equals when it comes to the "immigration reform" coalition --- now thereâ(TM)s reason for it to worry it might be last. ...
Some in the tech industry continue to nurture the hope that Congress can come together to pass a bill that just expands high-skilled visas, avoiding the political thicket of other immigration reforms. (During President Obamaâ(TM)s first term, bills to increase high-skilled visas were actually the closest to immigration reform that Congress came, though they were voted down by Democrats.) ...
But itâ(TM)s still impossible to miss the message: Tech, and everyone else, needs to take a back seat to unauthorized immigrants and their families (millions of whom, of course, are US citizens and voters).
Yea. That makes sense. So she has not deviated from her "Say anything to get elected" course. Shocker.
(Note: I replaced â" with --- because quote didn't like it)
But hey, what's a little law breaking among protected elites, right Hillary?
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Sure would. But don't blame the PP. Anyone who tries to understand Trump's stance on H1-Bs is bound to end up wandering around in a fugue state for a few hours.
Someone had to do it.
I'm not sure what is more horrifying, that the AG said she broke criminal statutes and lied to the American People repeatedly, or that she was too incompetent to be Secretary of State.
Any sufficient level of incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Clinton: It's 'Heartbreaking' When IT Workers Must Train H-1B Replacements
For contrast, here's what Donald Trump said recently
[Referring to problems within the Veteran's Administration] "I will pick up the phone and fix it myself"
Look at Hillary's positions and see if they give you a warm, fuzzy feeling of goodness.
Look at Trump's positions and see if they describe specific changes and actions.
Hillary is "stay the course", and Trump is "make changes".
And so is Donald Trump. Both are hideously wrong for America at this time. Electing Donald is like playing Russian Roulette with a revolver with one round. You have a chance. Electing Hillary is like playing Russian Roulette with a fully-loaded revolver. You're fucked no matter what happens.
Why cannot this country of 330 million people come up with better candidates? WTF is wrong with people. We should do what Australia does and voting should be compulsory. If people were forced to go out and cast their ballots, perhaps they would put some thought into who and what the issues are.
Hillary represents everything wrong with politics: she's corrupt to the core, in bed with monied interests, give a toss only about herself and her own. What sucks is that her daughter might rise up through the ranks and we'd have yet another Clinton to contend with. The daughter is just as vile as the mother, as she's cut from the same cloth. This country needs to be turned around before it's given over wholly to foreign interests. We something akin to the Australian Love It or Leave It Party. Come to America, ASSIMILATE FULLY or get the fuck out. Speak English. This is America. Not Buttfuckistan or Turdistan or whatever shithole they come from.
Hillary wants to continue to let the muslims in. They represent a far worse path than Deepak and his turbaned ilk taking a few tech jobs. It's Islam, stupid. All of this stuff is a red herring. The US is screwed.
And here I was, just getting over the foul taste from puking all over the "compassionate conservative" bullshit, now I get a heartbroken Hillary.
Believe me, sweetheart, should anyone decide to put you out of your misery, we'll all be about as heartbroken as you're right now.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Anyone training their H1-B replacement has witnessed a crime. This is an illegal abuse of the H1-B system and it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Any company, including groups like Tata should be in jail for what they are doing. Congress should put an automatic criminal penalty of $1million per employee and Justice should target any company that can be shown to be doing it.
Or for a slightly more mainstream citation, A primer
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Who prevents the free flow of workers? Government. You can't claim government is intervening when they aren't doing anything. Intervening is blocking the importation of workers.
I don't understand how companies survive trying to do it. Surely the people being replaced have little motivation to properly train their replacements, and some to actively sabotage them with misinformation and careful omission. Have any of these companies had catastrophic problems after downgrading their staff?
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Anyone training their H1-B replacement has witnessed a crime.
I would say anyone doing that has no spine. Yes you might have to give up a severance package. But if you take that package you are saying you can be bought for the cost of the package. Personally I prefer to not dig my own grave. Now if the severance package has two commas in the number that's a different story because then they aren't paying me to train my replacement, they are paying me to retire.
And yes, forcing people to train there replacements should be illegal without question. H1Bs are for when they cannot find domestic talent. If they are training their replacement then clearly the talent already exists domestically. You have to be a serious reptile to even ask people to do this sort of thing.
Funny how they say "might even help bring manufacturing back to the U.S.", but it does not mean "bring jobs back to the US". I wonder how many people missed that little problem.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I am a lifelong Democrat and it is Hillary's stance on the H-1B that will prevent me from voting for her. Seriously, she will not get my vote over this one issue. I even donated cash 8 times to President Obama's 2008 campaign but I will neither vote for her nor donate to her campaign over this one issue.
This is wrong in so many ways. I have seen very skilled people leads, architects, etc layed off to be replaced either by HB1 visa or complete offshoring. Its not a matter of skills, its a matter of money.
Training your replacement is demoralizing ...... I had to do it twice before being laid off...it sucks. However, that having been said - it's not the fault of the guy replacing you that your company is going in the direction it is. There was no reason for me to take my aggravation out on the guy I was training, it wasn't his fault. Not always an easy thing to do.
Just my .02
But we've already seen a Clinton in the White House so we have a pretty good idea what that would look like.
Yes indeed. A non-stop parade of deep corruption, routine law breaking, blatant lying over things both huge and trivial, and sleazy personal drama at every turn. Yay! Let's have some more of that.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
You do need to have a heart before it can be broken. (A conscience will also help.) Just sayin'
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
No, there is nothing about you or your skills that is so unique that you cannot be replaced.
And if your severance package depends upon you teaching your replacement how to do your job (see Disney), you are even easier to replace.
They may be useful, but they are not hard to find.
Unless you personally are working for Google or Facebook that kind of invalidates your position. You aren't so rare that Google is fighting to get you.
Look up "confirmation bias". You think that because your decisions have resulted in your position that anyone who has not achieved that position has made incorrect decisions. The reality is that when a company wants to cut their IT costs to save money, your skills will have nothing to do with their decision.
From that perspective, you might as well argue that the market distortion here is that the government doesn't permit foreign workers to work in the US under the same conditions as US nationals, since that `unnaturally' restricts the job market (i.e., `national borders distort the job market').
And yet in the entire thread there is not a single mention of the only non-psychopath who will be on all fifty state ballots. It's heartbreaking to see the USA be this stubborn.
Has nothing to do with being stubborn. Has to do with the setup of our voting system. First past the post voting and gerrymandering pretty much ensures a two party system. The reasons why are complicated but the end result is that it is nearly impossible for a third party to make significant headway.
That said, I presume you are referring to Gary Johnson. He supports regressive taxation policies that generally will hurt the poor and benefit the rich (flat consumption taxes). He wants to reduce taxes but has no plan I've seen for how he proposes to get Congress to authorize a reduction in Medicare, Social Security and our Military which account for roughly 3/4 of the federal budget. He's opposed to any budget that would require borrowing money which is both A) impossible as a practical matter and B) stupid policy based in ideology rather than evidence. Not policy positions I consider sensible and/or realistic. Basically this guy wants policies that would almost certainly cause severe economic harm in the short term and that wouldn't have a prayer of getting through Congress in any case. Not that it matters since he hasn't got a prayer of getting elected.
And frankly I don't believe ANYONE who runs for president is anything other than a power hungry, self absorbed, narcissist and I don't trust them at all. Nobody who is sane or decent would want that job and anyone who gets it will almost inevitably be corrupted by the process of getting it.
Perhaps Mrs. Clinton has observed that discussing any aspect of immigration in a negative way makes her more like Donald Trump -- a man whom she very often implies is pretty much the worst thing ever.
It's a bit interesting that when Mrs. Clinton talks negatively about immigration, she's described as empathetic for Americans.
Contrastingly, when Donald Trump talks about immigration, he's described as a racist.
I think people are wise to be suspicious of anyone running for public office. But, of Clinton, Johnson, and Trump, Trump is the only one that has ever said he wants to limit and reform immigration for the benefit of Americans who are seeking American jobs. He's also the one talking about punishing American companies who engage in behaviors that subvert American workers and jobs so replace them with foreign workers and jobs.
http://www.computerworld.com/a...
If you are upset with companies abusing immigration law to the detriment of American workers, and you wish someone would finally do something about it, Trump would seem like your candidate.
This election promises to be another "hold your nose" affair, but there do seem to be legitimate differences in what the candidates want to accomplish and how they want to do it.
My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
Yes indeed. A non-stop parade of deep corruption, routine law breaking, blatant lying over things both huge and trivial, and sleazy personal drama at every turn. Yay! Let's have some more of that.
And that is different from any other administration how? Look into it and you'll find the Clinton's rap sheet to be (surprisingly) one of the shorter ones. Ronald Reagan's administration had FAR more indictments and convictions than Clinton's. Same with both Bush administrations. About the worst thing people can to pin on Bill Clinton is that he lied about a blowjob. I think the Clinton's can be pretty shady but sadly they aren't even close to the worst.
And if you think a Trump administration would be a paragon of honesty and decency you are delusional.
I'm of a similar age, and with a similar skillset. I've been replaced by H1B workers - it took two do do my job.
Congratulations on your good luck, and I hope it holds out.
Again, nonsense. Currently a full 50% of entry-level jobs go to H-1B visa holders. And don't come back with the crap about that being against the law--it happens all the time and no one is ever prosecuted.
while at a buffet lunch (all you can eat), it occurred to me: the convention in that kind of restaurant is to not allow the customers to take home leftovers even though it seem wasteful to throw out whatever you didn't finish on your plate.
the reason: they don't want to start a precident; they all collude to 'teach' you that you have no right to take that one final partial plate of food with you. if they all stand together and tell each customer that tries, 'no, you cant take that with you' then they all are together and it is a 'rule' that customers come to understand.
by the same token, wouldn't it be great if everyone who was told to train their replacement just stood up and said NO? if we all did, universally, the employers would at least realize that this is the new 'rule' and that they can't get away with it. just like the buffet idea, you create an arbitrary rule that favors you and you stand unified so that that rule 'sticks'.
I know why we don't, though. they lord over us the severance pay which many of us need. maybe even a small bonus. when you know you are going to be between jobs, its damned hard to say no to some extra pay.
but think about it, guys. if we stood strong and universally refused to train our replacements, we could just tell companies 'no, this is not something we support and its our policy, as employees, not to encourage further bad behavior from corporatations'. that's the essence of it. de-condition them of this bad behavior.
who's with me on this?
we hang together or we hang separately. someone famous once said that, I think.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
That's the media spin to be sure: anyone against immigration is racist. Also, don't forget the media spin that "Muslim" is a race. It's all bullshit.
Controlling the borders is the duty of any government, regardless of the race of the people on the other side of that border.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
I don't have any evidence of Trump naming or implying any race at any time with any of his various immigration comments.
His focus has been on
- stopping _illegal_ immigration
- stopping the legal immigration of people that are at an increased risk of becoming terrorists
- reducing immigration that appears to have a negative effect on American jobs
There is a tremendous amount of racial confirmation bias about Trump, in part because that's what the left always resorts to, and because he hasn't adopted SJW phrases and talking points.
Contrastingly, there is historical evidence of him breaking _down_ racial and other bigotry barriers in his personal and business life.
My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
Locally socialist, collectively capitalist is probably the model that successful nations in the 21st century will follow. If China fixed the corruption inherent in their central planning, they could have a more effective society than the US.
The harder question, which I don't think anyone has sufficiently considered, is how do we have a society that preserves individual freedom and democracy without handing the reins of the entire government to a handful of special interests who are ready to sell us all out to make a short term profit? In short, how do we survive globalization without everything sliding into the shitter.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Can you show me which quote of Trump's mentions race? I quickly scanned your link and did not come across any mention of any races.
My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.