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Clinton: It's 'Heartbreaking' When IT Workers Must Train H-1B Replacements (computerworld.com)
dcblogs writes: Hillary Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, on Monday criticized the replacement of U.S. IT workers with foreign labor but stopped short of offering a plan to fix it. In a videotaped interview with Vox, Clinton appears empathetic and sympathetic to IT workers who have trained their foreign replacements as a condition of severance. She mentioned IT layoffs at Disney, specifically. "The many stories of people training their replacements from some foreign country are heartbreaking, and it is obviously a cost-cutting measure to be able to pay people less than what you would pay an American worker," said Clinton in the interview. Keith Barrett, a former IT worker Disney who was among those replaced by contractors, was not happy with Clinton's comments."She starts off as if she understands the problem, but then dismisses it as collateral damage not of significant volume to address, and blends in the problem of illegal immigrant labor, which is mostly working in unskilled labor," said Barrett.
It's Heartbreaking you're not in Jail.
#BernOrBust
I am shamed that Bernie would endorse Clinton, as a NH resident, I feel even worse we have to host the event he is going to endorse her in - what CNN and NPR would at this point consider already done with a bow tied around it.
Clinton is just as wrong as Trump.
#BernOrBust
Trans-Pacific Partnership will just kill jobs so bad that any gains by banning H1b's will be wiped out.
Wouldn't "Made in China" literally mean that H1B wasn't used in such cases?
I find it heartbreaking that in these egregious cases politicians don't speak out against it as well as attorney generals don't prosecute people for violating the law. If you are training your replacement then it is obvious that there is an American capable of doing the job and that a H-1B holder should not have it. I have written my polished turds of elected representatives on this issue and from most I got a non response (thank you for contacting your congressman or senator form letter) or a letter blaming republicans for blocking last year's comprehensive immigration law that would have expanded the H-1B program (thanks Amy Klobuchar you ignorant senator of small things)
Time to offend someone
Clinton is making it clear that for Democrats, immigration is an issue primarily about Latino voters --- not tech donors. The tech industry has sometimes thought of itself as first among equals when it comes to the "immigration reform" coalition --- now thereâ(TM)s reason for it to worry it might be last. ...
Some in the tech industry continue to nurture the hope that Congress can come together to pass a bill that just expands high-skilled visas, avoiding the political thicket of other immigration reforms. (During President Obamaâ(TM)s first term, bills to increase high-skilled visas were actually the closest to immigration reform that Congress came, though they were voted down by Democrats.) ...
But itâ(TM)s still impossible to miss the message: Tech, and everyone else, needs to take a back seat to unauthorized immigrants and their families (millions of whom, of course, are US citizens and voters).
Yea. That makes sense. So she has not deviated from her "Say anything to get elected" course. Shocker.
(Note: I replaced â" with --- because quote didn't like it)
But hey, what's a little law breaking among protected elites, right Hillary?
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Sure would. But don't blame the PP. Anyone who tries to understand Trump's stance on H1-Bs is bound to end up wandering around in a fugue state for a few hours.
Someone had to do it.
I'm not sure what is more horrifying, that the AG said she broke criminal statutes and lied to the American People repeatedly, or that she was too incompetent to be Secretary of State.
Any sufficient level of incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Clinton: It's 'Heartbreaking' When IT Workers Must Train H-1B Replacements
For contrast, here's what Donald Trump said recently
[Referring to problems within the Veteran's Administration] "I will pick up the phone and fix it myself"
Look at Hillary's positions and see if they give you a warm, fuzzy feeling of goodness.
Look at Trump's positions and see if they describe specific changes and actions.
Hillary is "stay the course", and Trump is "make changes".
And so is Donald Trump. Both are hideously wrong for America at this time. Electing Donald is like playing Russian Roulette with a revolver with one round. You have a chance. Electing Hillary is like playing Russian Roulette with a fully-loaded revolver. You're fucked no matter what happens.
Why cannot this country of 330 million people come up with better candidates? WTF is wrong with people. We should do what Australia does and voting should be compulsory. If people were forced to go out and cast their ballots, perhaps they would put some thought into who and what the issues are.
Hillary represents everything wrong with politics: she's corrupt to the core, in bed with monied interests, give a toss only about herself and her own. What sucks is that her daughter might rise up through the ranks and we'd have yet another Clinton to contend with. The daughter is just as vile as the mother, as she's cut from the same cloth. This country needs to be turned around before it's given over wholly to foreign interests. We something akin to the Australian Love It or Leave It Party. Come to America, ASSIMILATE FULLY or get the fuck out. Speak English. This is America. Not Buttfuckistan or Turdistan or whatever shithole they come from.
Hillary wants to continue to let the muslims in. They represent a far worse path than Deepak and his turbaned ilk taking a few tech jobs. It's Islam, stupid. All of this stuff is a red herring. The US is screwed.
And here I was, just getting over the foul taste from puking all over the "compassionate conservative" bullshit, now I get a heartbroken Hillary.
Believe me, sweetheart, should anyone decide to put you out of your misery, we'll all be about as heartbroken as you're right now.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
This is not free market, this is the Government intervention. The free market would not flood the system with cheap labor, if labor was short, wages would rise, as wages rise, supply would increase (internally).
The government allowing more foreign workers in a field as an exception is the opposite of a free market, because it inflates the supply artificially.
There are two options this should cause, but wont. Option A is that all of her American IT staff could just quit, and refuse to work for her. Force her to use those H1B visa people to run her campaign. Option B would be to be the best IT staff the world has ever seen. Put in triple redundant backups of everything. When congress requests X Y or Z scandal's emails there will be a Nixonian level of data minus those conspicuous missing minutes.
Anyone training their H1-B replacement has witnessed a crime. This is an illegal abuse of the H1-B system and it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Any company, including groups like Tata should be in jail for what they are doing. Congress should put an automatic criminal penalty of $1million per employee and Justice should target any company that can be shown to be doing it.
And yet in the entire thread there is not a single mention of the only non-psychopath who will be on all fifty state ballots. It's heartbreaking to see the USA be this stubborn.
Or for a slightly more mainstream citation, A primer
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Is it heart breaking to program a robot to do your job? Because that happens much more than H1B replacements.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/meet-the-new-generation-of-robots-for-manufacturing-1433300884
"[The new robots] are nimbler, lighter and work better with humans. They might even help bring manufacturing back to the U.S...."
Even her husband wouldn't do that...
we are all invisible unless we choose otherwise
Who prevents the free flow of workers? Government. You can't claim government is intervening when they aren't doing anything. Intervening is blocking the importation of workers.
I've been hearing about H1-B visa issues on slashdot since I joined and my uid is 5000. And quite honestly, I've never understood it. If you keep up your skills and progress beyond basic tech support or other low-level paper-pushing jobs this is never an issue.
In my experience, people with H1-B visas fill one of two scenarios: needs and costs.
The first is where a company needs more staff because they are always hiring. This would be like a Google or Facebook where they need smart, capable staff and can't find enough of them. Even with H1-Bs they can't. So there's no threat to "native" workers.
The second is to replace low-skilled staff with cheaper workers. And yeah, I get that sucks. But the solution is to learn more skills so you can get the first type of job.
I'm a 45 year old developer. I've learned more programming languages post-college than I learned in college. I've taken courses on managing development teams. I've read tons of books on various aspects of tech. I have skills that are useful and hard to find.
That's the answer - and it's actually part of the point Hillary Clinton was making.
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Like any self-respecting con-person would.
At this time, the choice of candidates for president in the US is "very bad" and "somewhat worse" (your choice which is which).
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
...which you obtain in a compressed timescale from the person you replace. Job done!
That's why it's "heart breaking" but she won't do anything about it.
Sure, some people suffer ...
But corporations make bigger profits and spend money on lobbying and campaign contributions and put the friends and family of politicians on their boards.
So don't expect any change from her. You have to fight for it at the state level.
I don't understand how companies survive trying to do it. Surely the people being replaced have little motivation to properly train their replacements, and some to actively sabotage them with misinformation and careful omission. Have any of these companies had catastrophic problems after downgrading their staff?
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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Anyone training their H1-B replacement has witnessed a crime.
I would say anyone doing that has no spine. Yes you might have to give up a severance package. But if you take that package you are saying you can be bought for the cost of the package. Personally I prefer to not dig my own grave. Now if the severance package has two commas in the number that's a different story because then they aren't paying me to train my replacement, they are paying me to retire.
And yes, forcing people to train there replacements should be illegal without question. H1Bs are for when they cannot find domestic talent. If they are training their replacement then clearly the talent already exists domestically. You have to be a serious reptile to even ask people to do this sort of thing.
Just curious have any of you been faced with having to train an H-1B and told their now-former employer where to put it? Would refusing to train an H-1B cause issues for future employment?
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
I am a lifelong Democrat and it is Hillary's stance on the H-1B that will prevent me from voting for her. Seriously, she will not get my vote over this one issue. I even donated cash 8 times to President Obama's 2008 campaign but I will neither vote for her nor donate to her campaign over this one issue.
You cannot keep an economy going with laws. The only thing this would cause is companies leaving the US altogether. While I am unsure how this problem can be fixed and whether it can be fixed at all, this is certainly not the way.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I find it heartbreaking that in these egregious cases politicians don't speak out against it as well as attorney generals don't prosecute people for violating the law. If you are training your replacement then it is obvious that there is an American capable of doing the job and that a H-1B holder should not have it. I have written my polished turds of elected representatives on this issue and from most I got a non response (thank you for contacting your congressman or senator form letter) or a letter blaming republicans for blocking last year's comprehensive immigration law that would have expanded the H-1B program (thanks Amy Klobuchar you ignorant senator of small things)
But the Americans are not capable of doing the job at the desired pay grade!
Reason number 1010011010
"Shall we play a game?" -W.O.P.R.
Training your replacement is demoralizing ...... I had to do it twice before being laid off...it sucks. However, that having been said - it's not the fault of the guy replacing you that your company is going in the direction it is. There was no reason for me to take my aggravation out on the guy I was training, it wasn't his fault. Not always an easy thing to do.
Just my .02
But we've already seen a Clinton in the White House so we have a pretty good idea what that would look like.
Yes indeed. A non-stop parade of deep corruption, routine law breaking, blatant lying over things both huge and trivial, and sleazy personal drama at every turn. Yay! Let's have some more of that.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
You do need to have a heart before it can be broken. (A conscience will also help.) Just sayin'
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
No, there is nothing about you or your skills that is so unique that you cannot be replaced.
And if your severance package depends upon you teaching your replacement how to do your job (see Disney), you are even easier to replace.
They may be useful, but they are not hard to find.
Unless you personally are working for Google or Facebook that kind of invalidates your position. You aren't so rare that Google is fighting to get you.
Look up "confirmation bias". You think that because your decisions have resulted in your position that anyone who has not achieved that position has made incorrect decisions. The reality is that when a company wants to cut their IT costs to save money, your skills will have nothing to do with their decision.
From that perspective, you might as well argue that the market distortion here is that the government doesn't permit foreign workers to work in the US under the same conditions as US nationals, since that `unnaturally' restricts the job market (i.e., `national borders distort the job market').
You can also alter tax policy. It does cost money and particularly time to transport cheaply from China to the US. Eliminate corporate taxes since they are passed on to the customers anyway and you'll have more US based manufacturing. Whether it would completely fix the problem or not is anybody's guess - but it would put a dent in it.
And yet in the entire thread there is not a single mention of the only non-psychopath who will be on all fifty state ballots. It's heartbreaking to see the USA be this stubborn.
Has nothing to do with being stubborn. Has to do with the setup of our voting system. First past the post voting and gerrymandering pretty much ensures a two party system. The reasons why are complicated but the end result is that it is nearly impossible for a third party to make significant headway.
That said, I presume you are referring to Gary Johnson. He supports regressive taxation policies that generally will hurt the poor and benefit the rich (flat consumption taxes). He wants to reduce taxes but has no plan I've seen for how he proposes to get Congress to authorize a reduction in Medicare, Social Security and our Military which account for roughly 3/4 of the federal budget. He's opposed to any budget that would require borrowing money which is both A) impossible as a practical matter and B) stupid policy based in ideology rather than evidence. Not policy positions I consider sensible and/or realistic. Basically this guy wants policies that would almost certainly cause severe economic harm in the short term and that wouldn't have a prayer of getting through Congress in any case. Not that it matters since he hasn't got a prayer of getting elected.
And frankly I don't believe ANYONE who runs for president is anything other than a power hungry, self absorbed, narcissist and I don't trust them at all. Nobody who is sane or decent would want that job and anyone who gets it will almost inevitably be corrupted by the process of getting it.
Hillary will say whatever, she can always spin it into what her sponsors want later. The same with Trump.
Do not fall for the false dichotomy you are presented. The major parties want one to believe that one needs to vote for the lesser of two evils to block "the other guy" from winning. Either one's vote is too small and insignificant to matter and that is a waste of one's time or one's vote does matter and that is support you should reserve for the candidate you actually want to win.
If voting does matter then it is only true that the two factions of the ruling party are the only viable options as long as one continues to believe and vote in accord with this fallacy. It will always be true that the candidate one supports won't win if one votes for a different candidate in order to block yet another candidate. Stop doing it and stop spreading the logical fallacy that causes others to do it. One can do better than that.
Yes, lower the corporate tax and raise the individual tax, just like Europe, Scandinavia and other industrialized countries do.
Worldwide corporate tax rates
Individual worldwide tax rates
That is what Trump wants, right? Lower taxes on companies so they can "compete" while raising the tax rates on individuals. I'm sure he wouldn't mind paying a 50% individual tax rate as happens in Belgium, or the 54.25% of Finland. He'd be happy to pay even the lower, 45% tax rate of Germany, right?
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
So she is offering President-as-a-service...
Obama's legacy: (N)othing (S)ecure (A)nywhere and (T)error (S)imulation (A)dministration
+1. Like it or not (and make no mistake, I don't like it!), Bernie will not be a candidate in the general election. If you want to refuse to support Hillary or Trump, it's most effective to pick one of the third-party candidates that's actually on the ballot.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Perhaps Mrs. Clinton has observed that discussing any aspect of immigration in a negative way makes her more like Donald Trump -- a man whom she very often implies is pretty much the worst thing ever.
It's a bit interesting that when Mrs. Clinton talks negatively about immigration, she's described as empathetic for Americans.
Contrastingly, when Donald Trump talks about immigration, he's described as a racist.
I think people are wise to be suspicious of anyone running for public office. But, of Clinton, Johnson, and Trump, Trump is the only one that has ever said he wants to limit and reform immigration for the benefit of Americans who are seeking American jobs. He's also the one talking about punishing American companies who engage in behaviors that subvert American workers and jobs so replace them with foreign workers and jobs.
http://www.computerworld.com/a...
If you are upset with companies abusing immigration law to the detriment of American workers, and you wish someone would finally do something about it, Trump would seem like your candidate.
This election promises to be another "hold your nose" affair, but there do seem to be legitimate differences in what the candidates want to accomplish and how they want to do it.
My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
Yes indeed. A non-stop parade of deep corruption, routine law breaking, blatant lying over things both huge and trivial, and sleazy personal drama at every turn. Yay! Let's have some more of that.
And that is different from any other administration how? Look into it and you'll find the Clinton's rap sheet to be (surprisingly) one of the shorter ones. Ronald Reagan's administration had FAR more indictments and convictions than Clinton's. Same with both Bush administrations. About the worst thing people can to pin on Bill Clinton is that he lied about a blowjob. I think the Clinton's can be pretty shady but sadly they aren't even close to the worst.
And if you think a Trump administration would be a paragon of honesty and decency you are delusional.
This is exactly the problem; and if you think H1-B is abused, look up L-1 visas. With those, US minimum wage doesn't even apply for someone from a country whose local wage is below that.
That's what I came to say. It's not "heartbreaking," it's completely illegal. It's so illegal in fact, I couldn't believe that she had actually said it, and read the article to make sure. Here's a transcript of the interview. I can't find anywhere she actually said it. As a lawyer, she knows to be more careful in what she says than that.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
What's wrong with them leaving altogether? If they don't employ anyone locally and don't pay taxes locally, what's the benefit?
Very little is original when it comes to large companies' policies. One of the large management consulting firms comes up with an idea, sells it to one company, and through C-level golf networking, it gets copied everywhere over time. (Corollary: Anything IBM, GE or Google does will be copied verbatim, regardless of fit.) Think of the conversations --
"Hey, I just figured out a great way to make those IT nerds 90% cheaper!"
"Really? How?"
"Simple, all I have to do is call up Infosys or Tata, and they will use the H-1B program to send hundreds of cheap replacements! It's foolproof! My McKinsey guys said they could replace the entire IT department with contractors and we won't even notice the difference!"
"Sounds great, I was getting sick of dealing with those old neckbeards anyway. Now watch this drive!"
Here's the problem -- every company copies HR ideas, so every company will eventually offshore their IT or live with the higher costs (doubtful.) Now, how do you propose a solution without sounding like a "they took er jerbs!" guy? The problem is not the H-1B program itself -- it's the loopholes in it the body shops use to bring in cheaper labor that isn't as qualified. There's also give on both sides too -- people can't expect high salaries if the technology changes out from under them and they don't adapt. However, given that H-1B labor is often used to replace entry-level work, how do you develop a pipeline of new people to replace the retiring ones, retrain mid-career people for new positions, and make IT (and more broadly, STEM) attractive in the first place?
The only solution I can see working is to take away the loopholes in the program for every company, regardless of size or special interest. When they have to start hiring domestic labor instead of letting their body shop circumvent the rules, all of a sudden there's domestic supply as new students come in, domestic demand because they can't use the emergency cheap labor escape valve, and salaries remain reasonably high because the reality is that most IT jobs worth doing are difficult. The only way to make it work (IMO) is to start paying Congress to do so via a professional organization. Doctors, pharmacists and (to a much lesser extent now) lawyers are going to be the last people working in this country for anything resembling an upper-middle class salary. The reason is that they saw this coming ages ago and made sure their interests were protected. Don't you think United Healthcare or the big hospital chains would do anything in their power to pass a law saying anyone who passed a 1-week certification class could perform low-end medical procedures? They are blocked from doing so by the AMA and other boards of specialist physicians. It's time to admit that the only way to change the rules is to pay for it and hire a professional lobbying group to counteract those already working in businesses' favor.
In the developing countries, yes.
In the USA, not. Why should it?
The whole thing is designed to exploit the political/economical weakness of former third world countries for the profit of US companies.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Obviously a violation of the spirit of the law, but unless someone has some relatively damning evidence leaked from inside one of the outsourcing firms, there's nothing to stick a letter-of-the-law violation to.
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I'm no fan of the Clintons, but she's not any worse than the 535 corrupt assholes in Congress, and just about anyone alive would be a hell of a lot better than that [redacted] that the Republicans offered up in contrast.
To be fair, the Republican Party bosses & Congressional bigwigs did everything they could think of (using the word "think" loosely) to stop Drumpf, so they didn't really "offer him up."
PS anyone who mods this anything other than "Funny" or "Overrated" needs to relax a bit.
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Funny, though, that it is about Disney, who is yelling for the Government to "Protect our Intellectual Property!!!" because of "Jobs!!!" all the time on the other end of the bargain. In a truly FREE market, without government imposed copyright, there would be no Disney as it is now.
You have to fight for it at the state level.
You can't fight immigration policy (such as H1-B) at the state level - it's an entirely Federal program. States have even tried to enforce federal immigration rules within their state using state law enforcement and was slapped down for it. The Feds are currently importing refugees and asylum seekers in places all over the country, and will not even respond to state governor's requests for names, places, and/or the number of people the Feds are planning to place in their states.
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
A lot of people can be, because they have both debt and dependents, and they need that money to support them while they desperately seek further employment.
Sometimes it's bad luck but more often it's bad planning. I have sympathy for the former but not so much for the later. If you took on debt that couldn't absorb a stretch of bad luck then shame on you. I would say most of them really don't need the money that badly. I've been poor a a church mouse during my lifetime and so have my parents. I've lost jobs both expectedly and unexpectedly. People usually need a lot less than they generally think they do. And frankly at the end of the day, how much is your integrity worth to you?
Spoken like a true cuck.
It isn't his fault that he's fucking my wife. There's no reason for me to be upset with him. It isn't his fault that she's leaving me. I should just slip gracefully into sexual or economic oblivion...
Complete Nonsense. Companies are free to leave the US now--but they don't because there are myriad advantages to being here that they could not afford to miss. No, what they want is to have their cake and eat it too: benefiting from the American system while externalizing their costs for doing so.
She never said it was her heart breaking. Just your's.
It's a shitty situation... You don't want to screw that guy who just took a job to get paid like you did, but at the same time you don't want to encourage other companies to try the same thing.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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Try polling people with security clearances. I'll bet that those who have been informed of the law are closer to 97%. We've got one here out of a more than a hundred people.
Medical bills are a factor in more than half of all personal bankruptcies.
If they had a job then they should have been able to get insurance as well.
while at a buffet lunch (all you can eat), it occurred to me: the convention in that kind of restaurant is to not allow the customers to take home leftovers even though it seem wasteful to throw out whatever you didn't finish on your plate.
the reason: they don't want to start a precident; they all collude to 'teach' you that you have no right to take that one final partial plate of food with you. if they all stand together and tell each customer that tries, 'no, you cant take that with you' then they all are together and it is a 'rule' that customers come to understand.
by the same token, wouldn't it be great if everyone who was told to train their replacement just stood up and said NO? if we all did, universally, the employers would at least realize that this is the new 'rule' and that they can't get away with it. just like the buffet idea, you create an arbitrary rule that favors you and you stand unified so that that rule 'sticks'.
I know why we don't, though. they lord over us the severance pay which many of us need. maybe even a small bonus. when you know you are going to be between jobs, its damned hard to say no to some extra pay.
but think about it, guys. if we stood strong and universally refused to train our replacements, we could just tell companies 'no, this is not something we support and its our policy, as employees, not to encourage further bad behavior from corporatations'. that's the essence of it. de-condition them of this bad behavior.
who's with me on this?
we hang together or we hang separately. someone famous once said that, I think.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
Just grow some balls and refuse to train your replacement. You know you're going to be out of there soon anyway.
Donal Trump is a moderate Democrat on every issue but immigration.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
That's the media spin to be sure: anyone against immigration is racist. Also, don't forget the media spin that "Muslim" is a race. It's all bullshit.
Controlling the borders is the duty of any government, regardless of the race of the people on the other side of that border.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Whether it is competitive or not, no company really pays taxes. They just take them out of the income they get from sales and remit them to the appropriate taxing authority. So the end purchaser pays the taxes. It would be better to own up to that, reduce prices for goods, eliminate taxes and all the legalese required to collect it, and just increase the individual tax burden to compensate for any differences. It's that eliminating the legalese in the tax code that is the toughest to achieve because it would take legislation to accomplish and the legislative leaders ... well, I'm trying to be nice today.
I don't understand how companies survive trying to do it. Surely the people being replaced have little motivation to properly train their replacements, and some to actively sabotage them with misinformation and careful omission. Have any of these companies had catastrophic problems after downgrading their staff?
Unlike the sociopathic executives doing this, the people being replaced are professionals, and they don't have a golden parachute to hang on while they plan their next business venture.
This is why everyone in productive employment should put away enough every month for a nice "fuck you fund".
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
Nice troll. I've seen those guys in action. It takes 2 or 3 to replace a competent tech worker, and even then their artifacts are crap and require rework. But companies don't care - it's a race to the bottom.
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
Point being?
Just because you can find someone who claims to be able to do the job for much less doesn't make it the right, or even smart thing to do.
Didn't feel like applying a sarcasm tag. Honestly I got paid good money for fixing work that came back from overseas for a few years so I'm fully aware that cheaper isn't better.
hedonistic
That's a new one. Considering that he doesn't drink, or do drugs, and none of his children do, either. Are you throwing that in because he has a young wife? It's hedonistic to have a young wife, now? What would you call Bill?
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
Most people working in tech realize that the foreign H1B replacements offer a much lower quality of work in addition to working for lower wages. Normally, substandard work would impact the bottom line of a business looking to turn a profit. But the current business model is not to create a profitable product--it's to burn VC money on turning out barely-functional-yet-hugely-popular apps so the company can be sold as quickly as possible. This business model is enabled by the ridiculous, easy money policies of the Federal Reserve since 2008... and it's going to result in a second tech crash that will be much larger than the first.
I don't have any evidence of Trump naming or implying any race at any time with any of his various immigration comments.
His focus has been on
- stopping _illegal_ immigration
- stopping the legal immigration of people that are at an increased risk of becoming terrorists
- reducing immigration that appears to have a negative effect on American jobs
There is a tremendous amount of racial confirmation bias about Trump, in part because that's what the left always resorts to, and because he hasn't adopted SJW phrases and talking points.
Contrastingly, there is historical evidence of him breaking _down_ racial and other bigotry barriers in his personal and business life.
My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
Not that I agree with this position, but the next argument in the chain is "Immigration laws are preventing the free flow of competitive workers."
No, they just offered him an audience addicted to outrage, scared of their own shadows, and desperate for someone to save them - because, after all, anti-unionism means they can't join together and do that themselves. The Republican Party were useful idots, constantly selling the idea that the goverment is always malevolent and authoritarian, so what does it matter if you elect one more malevolent authoritarian, and that being willing to descend to any level right down to outright kidnapping, torture and murder makes you strong rather than the fucking Joker.
Republicans might not have offered America to Trump specifically, but they sure as Hell rolled a red carpet between the White House and the Arkham Asylum.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
What that says to me is that H-1B holders are being paid below market wages. I would assume this is due to their lack of mobility in changing jobs. The natural solution to me, it seems, is to replace the H-1B with a long term unrestricted visa. How many of those would be imported if they weren't indentured servants?
If you experience a life-threatening medical emergency, your insurance will likely not cover everything and you will be left with a pile of debt.
Most insurance will cover the majority of costs. Furthermore someone who has a job that is at risk to an H1B tends to have a rather good paying job so chances are they can afford decent insurance. You are trying to conflate two issues that have very little to do with each other.
This was true before Obamacare, and it's still true. But now premiums of the paying have skyrocketed to cover the unpaying.
Premiums have gone up a lot in some places and not much in others. Prior to the ACA double digit increases per year were normal. On average plan increases from 2015 to 2016 were around 7.5%. A lot but still low by historical standards. The insured have ALWAYS had to cover the uninsured. But now there are fewer uninsured so the rate of increase is less. Insurers are figuring out the real cost and adjusting accordingly which is why this year there was a bump in costs. Some people's premiums have gone up and others (like mine) have gone down. My policy costs just 2/3 of what my pre-ACA policy cost and I have better coverage. On average we are all paying a bit more which is EXACTLY the point of insurance. We all pay some so fewer of us end up bankrupt.
The fact that medical costs in the US continue to rise at ridiculous rates is largely a function of our idiotic refusal to accept a single payer medical care system like every other modern country in the world. So we get high costs and second rate outcomes.
It's heartbreaking she won't admit that domestic workers training H1B replacements essentially proves their visa applications are falsified, which is a crime. The solution is to give all current H1B's permanent green cards. When companies realize they can't use their visa status to extort lower wages the demand for immigrant labor will evaporate.
This has to do with enforcing the current laws.
If my daddy had given me several million dollars when alive, introduced me to other wealthy and influential people and then died leaving me millions more. As it stands Trump had all that and couldn't beat index fund with his daddy's money. Put another way, how do you lose money on a casino?
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She finds it inconvenient to follow the rules. Why would she expect anyone else to follow the rules either?
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
It is a crime to treat classified information with "gross negligence".
Director Comey said Clinton was "extremely careless" on at least 110 occasions.
"Gross negligence" and "extremely careless" are synonyms, so basically he said she's guilty of at least 110 counts.
He also said no federal prosecutor working for Obama would prosecute HILLARY CLINTON for this crime, but anyone else who did the same thing should expect to be prosecuted.
This seems like the big political question of our time -- how to make rich countries like the US benefit from globalisation without destroying the livelihoods of their own citizens as employees.
One solution is for everyone in the rich country to switch from being a laborer to being a capitalist. If all the citizens have enough stock in the country's economy then immigration would be a good thing, they could all retire and sit back and enjoy the profits brought from the globalization.
Which basically means, some form of universal basic income for citizens, like they have in Saudi and other oil states with sovereign wealth funds.
If we don't do this then the resentment over immigration will just keep growing and the middle and working classes will continue to get pushed down to the lowest common denominator.
The only other alternatively seems to be some kind of tarriff system -- let people move and work freely in every country but levy "import taxes" on companies who buy in foreign labour. This would make the cost of employing people from cheaper countries the same as employing citizens. That's similar to what we do when we put tarriffs on Chinese steel to support the rich countries' economies. There would need to be some argument for what these tarriffs should be and what the morality of it all was -- maybe something about economic externalities, taxing the companies for the harm they do to society by removing citizens' career opportunities -- though it seems the basic income is the simpler option.
No-one wants to be racist or xenophobic but we have to realise that immigration driving down the value of labour is a big, real, problem for anyone who derives their income from selling their labour rather than renting out their capital.
Ah yes.. the muslim race. do you suppose filipinos are any different from iraqis?
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I'm unclear how this relates to the topic of the article.
From The Hindu:
Hillary’s automatic green card proposal to benefit Indian students
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Ms. Clinton has promised automatic ‘green card’ or permanent residency to students who complete a master’s degree or a PhD from a U.S university.
An indictment does not require criminal intent.
"It's heartbreaking, but not heartbreaking enough for me to do anything about it." - Hillary Clinton
I would vote the Stalin/Satan ticket if they pledged to abolish the H1-B program except for genuinely exceptional circumstances. Or just reduce it to a couple of thousand workers per year with a 2-year cap.
Either way, the H1-B program has become an abusive joke.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
That's clearly because you are not looking.
Tell me, how does being a Trump supporter go down with your Microsoft colleagues?
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Although you can't fight immigration policy at the state level, Ms Clinton is a conspirator in its impact.
For example, as a prominent NY politician, she lobbied hard for a new Tata office in upstate NY that would purportedly grow to 200 jobs.
"Well, of course I know that they outsource jobs, that they've actually brought jobs to Buffalo. They've created 10 jobs in Buffalo and have told me and the Buffalo community that they intend to be a source of new jobs in the area, because, you know, outsourcing does work both ways." - I'mWithHer
Of course, under a microscope, Tata was not able to run business as usual, so they folded up tent and moved elsewhere...
Whether it is competitive or not, no company really pays taxes. They just take them out of the income they get from sales and remit them to the appropriate taxing authority. So the end purchaser pays the taxes
By that logic, I don't pay any taxes either. It just comes out of my income (I get a refund..) and I pass the cost on to the businesses I interact with by buying less from them, or choosing cheaper products.
Can you show me which quote of Trump's mentions race? I quickly scanned your link and did not come across any mention of any races.
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I did not however turn over my notes or the documentation on the database I used to keep track of all the details. They guy was well qualified and surprisingly nice. He knew what was happening, but I can't fault him for wanting a job, he had a family to feed. I received a call about 1 month after leaving just as I was starting a new contract from my former boss's boss. They had a directory fail and were unable to recover the database that contained all the information on the network setup. He asked me to come in and help and I offered to return for work for 3 months at $500/hour. He acted very insulted and I laughed and hung up. Several friends who still worked in the lab I'd left relayed the mess they were in and the many months it took them to only partially recover. Apparently they had to scrap several router setups and rebuild many machines from scratch as they were not able to to properly recover. It was kind of sad as I had everything documented and color-coded, but 600+ servers in 8 sites around the US was apparently to much for them to figure out.
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Are you saying that if we make it less expensive and complicated to do business in the United States, more people will do business in the United States? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You just want to favor the 1%. Vote Democrat!
The trick is that they're (probably) not actually violating the law in most of these cases. I'm under the impression that it's not the employer that normally hires the H1B replacement. Instead, they decide to "outsource" IT from their own employees to Wipro or Infosys or similar Indian company whose US subsidiaries are the ones bringing in all the H1B-visa employees.
Obviously a violation of the spirit of the law, but unless someone has some relatively damning evidence leaked from inside one of the outsourcing firms, there's nothing to stick a letter-of-the-law violation to.
IANAL, but just thinking maybe the reverse "trick" is to take the recent NLRB decision that concluded that by it's actions, McD's a *joint* employer of their franchisees' employees and apply it in this situation. If a company is now effectively a *joint* employer of the H1B replacement, the company is effectively hiring a cheaper H1B replacement for the worker they fired which might come under scrutiny.
Now you could still outsource a function, but not a job. But now, there effectively would be no training of replacements, because the contracting company you hired would need to replace the operations completely (not just a job). Of course many functions might be amenable to this (e.g, payroll, hr, etc are commonly completely outsourced as a function), but at least this avoids the issue of needing to train a replacement for a outsourced job.
[[ Just like her remark that 'Whites need to change their behavior' in response to the Dallas killings. ??? ]]
It's good that you put paraphrase quotes around it, because that doesn't match the meaning of the quotes. She said that she wanted to encourage white people to listen to the legitimate cries coming from African-American citizens. That's a big difference from what you said, but I least you didn't carry the idiot ball like Alex Jones did, with his claim she said "better listen up white people, better listen up, or you’re gonna get killed."
Donal Trump is a moderate Democrat on every issue but immigration.
And national defense and national security.
That's interesting. When did Mexican become a race? Or have you idiots completely subverted the meaning of the words of the English language to benefit your political views?
Stop pointing out that the cubbyholed categories that everyone gets piled into by the left don't make any sense.
Because many people overstay their visa and become illegal immigrants.
You can certainly destroy an economy with laws.
would like to see the H1-B program go away. We're not nearly as unified as the right, which basically consist of pro-gun/anti-abortion evangelicals and folks who don't like paying taxes. That's because of two things: a). we've got a lot of realists like Obama/Hilary that are just trying to hold shit together and get things done best they can and b). there is a _fuckload_ of money in politics and you have to live with that.
The right can pretend they rest on principles because there isn't as much money to be made calling them on it. That's why the same guys telling you to be austere get their asses bailed out. As the saying goes, Socialism for the wealthy, Dog Eat Dog Capitalism for the Poor.
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The Immigration Act of 1990 which created H1B visas was introduced by Ted Kennedy, you idiot.
Some time after Trump supporters decided that they had to rely on minor semantic differences to allow them to ignore his obvious racism. It's not hard to find examples: you just don't want to look.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
It's also amusing that like most on the American Left
It's amusing that some people think there is an American Left. You have two branches of one political party, Right wing and More Right wing and this is spreading all around the world.
The two party system in general is a complete failure. Even the Westminster system of independence has been devolved into a two party system. The common thing in these systems is politicians seeking power, they make deals so they can secure more power over the populous.
In the meantime structural issues that require actual political skills like diplomacy, compromise and negotiation are absent and issues that affect peoples day to day lives, like infrastructure, hospitals, education and employment are all used as carrots to attract and deceive voters to *more*of*the*same* candidates who bows their head in the church of the corporcracy.
Unless corporate lobbying and funding is removed from the political landscape, nothing will even begin to change, no one will be informed and freedom and democracy will remain an illusion. This is how your vote is made to not matter and that is exactly what the power brokers of this world want.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Seems a bit of civil disobedience is in order. I've heard that many "must" train them in order to receive full benefits etc.
But - must you train them to do the job correctly? Might a bit of minor sabotage be injected such that the job is performed poorly, slowly, or inefficiently? Granted it would be criminal to totally screw the company by providing instructions that corrupt the data. However, I think they only need to see what the job is - the minimum is to train them to "do the job."
Morally you may take pride in the job. The big companies replacing you do this because it is cost effective. Well - don't allow the math to add up.
Yes, the TPP will help US corporations be more profitable. That doesn't translate into more jobs for US workers.
Senator Chuck Grassley Seeks To End Issuing Visas To India
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Casteism
Only racists care as much about race as you obviously do. It you peer deep into any discussion looking for any way it could possibly be about race, then (a) you are a racist, and (b) the discussion is better off without you.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
No, but to more unemployment in countries which don't have any means to deal with it (lack of knowledge, infrastructure etc.).
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1. US based workers are being replaced by workers in another country such as India. This has nothing to do with immigration and would require new laws to address. It's debatable whether such protectionist laws would be a net benefit, but a completely separate discussion from H1B.
2. Higher paid full time positions are being replaced with consultants from an agency where anyone can apply but H1B workers are common in practice because agency provides said visa independently of specific project. This is a business decision and probably not much can be done about that.