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The Most Popular Product Of All Time

Apple announced Wednesday that it has sold more than one billion iPhones. To understand the magnitude of the milestone, Asymco's Horace Dediu has compiled a list of the best-selling products across several categories. From his post (link shared via email by reader JoshTops):Car model: VW Beetle 21.5 million; car brand: Toyota Corolla 43 million; music album: Thriller 70 million; vehicle: Honda Super Cub 87 million; book title: Lord of the Rings 150 million; toy: Rubik's Cube 350 million; game console: Playstation 382 million; book series: Harry Potter Series 450 million; mobile phone: iPhone 1 billion.
The iPhone is not only the best-selling mobile phone but also the best selling music player, the best-selling camera, the best-selling video screen and the best-selling computer of all time. It is, quite simply, the best-selling product of all time. It is that because it is so much more than a product. It is an enabler for change. It unleashed forces which we are barely able to perceive, let alone control. It changed the world because it changed us. And it did all that in less than nine years.
Update: 07/28 20:07 GMT by M :Dediu just told me that the list doesn't include consumable non-durable products.

367 comments

  1. BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are plenty of others.. Like sliced bread, for example.

    1. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly, this is just an exercise in mental fapping.

      Even then its still not the best selling product. Each model is a DIFFERENT PRODUCT.

    2. Re:BS "most popualar" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If they are counting all models of iPhone as one, they should count all Android phones as one too. In which case the iPhone is small fry - last year Android was estimated to have 1.4 billion active users.

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    3. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also has a far shorter practical lifespan, as compared to a car, or a house, or a watch.. Built in obsolescence inflates 'worth', when all you do is count numbers.

    4. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they are counting all models of iPhone as one, they should count all Android phones as one too. In which case the iPhone is small fry - last year Android was estimated to have 1.4 billion active users.

      All Android phones from different manufacturers? That's like saying if the most popular car is the Toyota Camry, then all American cars are more popular. Apple and oranges.

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    5. Re: BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books

      or the Bible at over 5 billion copies

    6. Re:BS "most popualar" by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 0, Troll

      If they are counting all models of iPhone as one, they should count all Android phones as one too. In which case the iPhone is small fry - last year Android was estimated to have 1.4 billion active users.

      All Android phones from different manufacturers? That's like saying if the most popular car is the Toyota Camry, then all American cars are more popular. Apple and oranges.

      We found a fanboi....

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    7. Re:BS "most popualar" by number6x · · Score: 1

      McDonald's Hamburgers?

    8. Re:BS "most popualar" by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's all about setting the terms to make yourself look good.

      The question is what makes for a valuable metric. For instance, let's play with the terms a bit more. Has Apple sold more phones than, say, Samsung or Nokia? I'm talking all cellphones, not smartphones. For the sake of argument (and because I don't want to bother digging up the statistics) let's say that Nokia sold more phones, when you include feature/flip/etc cheap-o's. Why is that number less or more relevant? Why include the 2g iPhone, but not those? Basically someone is making a choice of where to draw the line on the category, one way or another. It's a PR/marketing move, so of course Apple wants to do it in a way that puts them in a favorable light. You say apples and oranges, but I say they were comparing Apple sales to Car sales to Album sales. Why is it a bad thing to want to compare fruit to fruit, in that vein?

      I mean, to play devil's advocate in another way, McDonald's has sold however many billions of hamburgers, but what does that tell us compared to smartphones?

    9. Re:BS "most popualar" by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1, Redundant

      If they are counting all models of iPhone as one, they should count all Android phones as one too. In which case the iPhone is small fry - last year Android was estimated to have 1.4 billion active users.

      All Android phones from different manufacturers? That's like saying if the most popular car is the Toyota Camry, then all American cars are more popular. Apple and oranges.

      We found a fanboi....

      So why doesn't anyone on Slashdot refer to Android lovers as "fanbois"? They certainly engage in every single behavior you profess to eschew in Apple aficionados.

    10. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 0

      We found a fanboi....

      Please state what part of my statements were not true or not logical. The comparison is not correct. I would argue that the Big Mac is more popular than the iPhone however I would not argue that pizza is more than the Big Mac because both use cheese. That's essentially what the flawed comparison is: Comparing a product model to a component of the product. You essentially say that ARM is more popular than the iPhone because it is used in many products; It's not really a good comparison.

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    11. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine, Android is more popular than iOS. is that a better comparison for you?

    12. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure pussy is the most popular product of all time. Followed closely by cheeseburgers.

    13. Re: BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quiet! we are just listing things less popular than the iphone. You know, for fun. in reality Samsung has sold just about as many Galaxy phones but theres no ticker tape parade for that landslide of consumer demand, we save all of our shameless love for Apple.

    14. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 0

      Has Apple sold more phones than, say, Samsung or Nokia? I'm talking all cellphones, not smartphones.

      Therein lies the flaw in your argument. What do classify as a product? If you are talking about a generic product category, Samsung and Nokia may have sold more phones than Apple; however, if you are looking at a product model, then you are not correct in your analysis. Is the Big Mac the most popular hamburger in the world? I would say yes. Has it outsold the combined number of burgers from every restaurant in the world? No. Hypothetically, I could argue that Burger King has sold more burgers than Big Macs if I count all the burgers Burger King has sold and not match the Big Mac against the Whopper. In the case of Apple they only sell one line of phone.

      For the sake of argument (and because I don't want to bother digging up the statistics) let's say that Nokia sold more phones, when you include feature/flip/etc cheap-o's. Why is that number less or more relevant? Why include the 2g iPhone, but not those?

      It's brand product models that are being compared here. If you read the summary they mention Toyota Corolla and not all Toyota cars, for example. Now you could pit the Samsung Galaxy vs the Apple iPhone and that would be a reasonable comparison.

      Basically someone is making a choice of where to draw the line on the category, one way or another. It's a PR/marketing move, so of course Apple wants to do it in a way that puts them in a favorable light.

      Yes and that someone is Apple. They decided to name all their phones iPhones just like Toyota decided to name one of their small passenger cars, the Corolla even though generation after generation they might all different.

      You say apples and oranges, but I say they were comparing Apple sales to Car sales to Album sales. Why is it a bad thing to want to compare fruit to fruit, in that vein?

      Toyota has for many years had the best selling car in America, the Toyota Camry. Would you argue that Ford has the best selling car because it has sold more cars overall than the Camry? Again, apples and oranges comparison.

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    15. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Android is not a product and neither is iOS; they are both components of products.

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    16. Re:BS "most popualar" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Android OS is a product in itself. I bet Windows has sold more than 1 billion copies too, over all versions.

      ARM processors definitely have sold billions, but not as many billions as some of the 8 bit ones. 8051 or Z80 perhaps. Depends what you consider a "product".

      I bet BIC have sold more than a billion Biros. And disposable razors.

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    17. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 0

      Android OS is a product in itself. I bet Windows has sold more than 1 billion copies too, over all versions.

      But a consumer does not buy Android. They buy the phone. Yes Windows has sold more copies as has Big Macs have sold more than both of them combined. The "most popular" is in dispute. What I don't consider should be in dispute is trying to compare all Android phones with iPhone; it's a bad comparison.

      ARM processors definitely have sold billions, but not as many billions as some of the 8 bit ones. 8051 or Z80 perhaps. Depends what you consider a "product".

      Yes but few people buy an ARM processor; they buy the electronic device which has an ARM processor.

      I bet BIC have sold more than a billion Biros. And disposable razors.

      Again, I don't dispute other things have sold more than the iPhone; I disagree with your apples to oranges comparison of the iPhone vs all Android phones. It's not a good comparison.

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    18. Re:BS "most popualar" by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Another good example is when a truck commercial states it has the most towing capacity and then quietly adds "in its class" and down at the bottom of the screen is a disclaimer about the class they are talking about which if you were quick enough and had the eyesight to see it could go look up to find it is the ONLY truck in the class because the manufacturer invented the class so it could make the statement in its commercial.

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    19. Re:BS "most popualar" by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 0

      Android is not a product and neither is iOS; they are both components of products.

      They are both products in their own right. Same as nuts and bolts can be both products in their own right as well as components of other products.

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    20. Re:BS "most popualar" by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Like most stories with a bias. It all depends on how you want to categorize things.
      For hardware brand Apple Wins. For a phone type Android may beat IOS. If you want screen manufacture perhaps Samsung will get it.

      Politics does this all the time. The Republicans may ask if you liked Hillary Clinton. Over half don't so they make the point that over half may vote for Trump.

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    21. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      They are both products in their own right. Same as nuts and bolts can be both products in their own right as well as components of other products.

      Can you buy iOS? No you cannot. Can you "buy" Android? Not really. You can use it and license it.

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    22. Re:BS "most popualar" by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      A cell phone is not a product. It is a component of a product.

      How many of the old analog phones were in use in the previous system? Did anyone care or talk about it?

      What about the road system? Surely that is the most popular man-made product ever. Two-tenths of one percent of the Earth is covered by roads/parking lots.

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    23. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or to be more fair, all Android phones from one manufacturer like Samsung, LG, or one of the Chinese ones that has a huge market over there...

      As for most popular products, I seem to remember McDonald's signs proclaiming "X billion sold" when I was a kid, thirty years ago. I'm not sure I would use that as a measure of "best" in their product category either, since I'm not an MBA but rather someone who appreciates good food.

    24. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      A cell phone is not a product. It is a component of a product.

      So when I went to the store and bought cell phones all these years, Nokia, Samsung, Apple, Sony, they were not products?

      How many of the old analog phones were in use in the previous system? Did anyone care or talk about it?

      Not sure where you are saying but comparing a whole category of phones to one company's line is not a good comparison was my point.

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    25. Re:BS "most popualar" by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      If they are counting all models of iPhone as one, they should count all Android phones as one too. In which case the iPhone is small fry - last year Android was estimated to have 1.4 billion active users.

      All Android phones from different manufacturers? That's like saying if the most popular car is the Toyota Camry, then all American cars are more popular. Apple and oranges.

      Not really, an android phone is equal in scope to an iphone. That one company makes all the different versions of iphone and wont let anyone else make anything i... is irrelevant.

      Also, I'm not a car guy but aren't toyotas Japanese? But in that example it'd be like saying the motorbike is the best selling transport when compared against fords, nissans etc

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    26. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 0

      Not really, an android phone is equal in scope to an iphone. That one company makes all the different versions of iphone and wont let anyone else make anything i... is irrelevant.

      Would you compare all burgers sold by Burger King against the McDonald's Big Mac in a comparison. That's essentially what you're doing.

      Also, I'm not a car guy but aren't toyotas Japanese?

      Toyota is a Japanese company. The Camrys that are sold in America are assembled in America specifically Kentucky and Indiana (at the moment) plants. For the most part models sold in the US are assembled in the US except for the Lexus brand which are still made in Japan. Engines were mostly manufactured in Japan but are now made in Canada for some models. Fords models sold in the US are assembled in the US and Mexico. Most automotive companies now manufacture parts globally.

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    27. Re:BS "most popualar" by OtisSnerd · · Score: 1

      And then there is salt. People have been selling salt for thousands of years, and everyone needs it.

    28. Re:BS "most popualar" by lexlthr · · Score: 1

      How is that being a fanboi - it's an excellent analogy.

    29. Re:BS "most popualar" by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Not really, an android phone is equal in scope to an iphone. That one company makes all the different versions of iphone and wont let anyone else make anything i... is irrelevant.

      Would you compare all burgers sold by Burger King against the McDonald's Big Mac in a comparison. That's essentially what you're doing.

      No, I wouldn't but that's essentially what they're doing. I get that they may well have sold more of the overall iphone line than say samsung have sold of the galaxy line or possibly even phones but the iphone is a special case. The modern smart phone market is basically ios vs android. the iphone is the only ios device, there are probably a million different makes of an android phone but there are more phones with android on them than ios but more idevices than any brand of android device. It's a shit comparison to start with and started as apples/oranges. Thanks for the toyota clarification though.

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    30. Re:BS "most popualar" by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

      They are also counting all models of the PlayStation as one.
      I think products like the Bible or Quran are selling way more copies. But they don't have any usable numbers.

    31. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If McDonalds made 9 different burgers that came in all different shapes, sizes, and ingredients, but called them the Big Mac 1, the Big Mac 2, Big Mac 3, etc.. then yes, I would.

    32. Re:BS "most popualar" by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Sure you can purchase a copy of iOS or Android. You just have to also purchase (in the case of iOS) the phone it's bundled with. But that has nothing to do with my argument, which is that nuts and bolts can be both a product in their own right, and part of another product. Same as welding rods. Same as the toner you buy for your printer, which you then use to print up pictures for sale. Same as the gold in your phone. Same as water, which you can buy as a stand-alone product or as a component of Pepsi or Dr. Pepper.

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    33. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      No, I wouldn't but that's essentially what they're doing. I get that they may well have sold more of the overall iphone line than say samsung have sold of the galaxy line or possibly even phones but the iphone is a special case.

      Why is the iPhone a special case? The Samsung Galaxy line is exactly like the iPhone line; different processors, different sizes, different specs. If Samsung wants to name all their smartphones "Galaxy" from now on, that's their choice.

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    34. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      And that's MacDonald's right to do so. Just like Samsung names multiple models "Galaxy"

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    35. Re: BS "most popualar" by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      The Bible is also the world's most stolen product.

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    36. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Sure you can purchase a copy of iOS or Android. You just have to also purchase (in the case of iOS) the phone it's bundled with.

      Then it's not a product. By definition, that's a component. Can I purchase an Intel Core i7 6700K processor? Yes. Can I purchase an Apple A6 processor? No. Can Intel say they sell more Core processors than Apple processors.? Yes, definitely and technically. Can Intel say that mobile devices use more Intel processors than Apple processors? No.

      But that has nothing to do with my argument, which is that nuts and bolts can be both a product in their own right, and part of another product. Same as welding rods. Same as the toner you buy for your printer, which you then use to print up pictures for sale. Same as the gold in your phone. Same as water, which you can buy as a stand-alone product or as a component of Pepsi or Dr. Pepper.

      By your definition all atoms are products, which essentially makes your argument moot as atoms are the most popular products.

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    37. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they are counting all models of iPhone as one, they should count all Android phones as one too. In which case the iPhone is small fry - last year Android was estimated to have 1.4 billion active users.

      All Android phones from different manufacturers? That's like saying if the most popular car is the Toyota Camry, then all American cars are more popular. Apple and oranges.

      WRONG. It's like saying that if the most popular car BRAND is a Toyota, then all American cars are more popular.
      Except in this comparison nobody else in the world makes cars - apart from an elbonian factory making a small amount of Microsoft cars.

    38. Re:BS "most popualar" by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      No Lexus vehicles are made in the US. While not the article that immediately jumped to my mind, that one is long forgotten from the 90s when I read that they were making them at an Oldsmobile plant, it does however indicate that Lexus vehicles aren't exclusively made in Japan.

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    39. Re: BS "most popualar" by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Hey the Gideons put them there and the message inside the front cover even states that you can take it.

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    40. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      It seems my knowledge of Lexus manufacturing is dated. Yes, they have began manufacturing Lexus E350 model this year in Kentucky. However, my original point was that the Toyota Camry is considered "American" by some standards.

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    41. Re:BS "most popualar" by justthinkit · · Score: 2

      I'm saying that a cell phone is a commodity. Which is disaster for Apple of all companies.

      As to comparing a whole category to one product, again we can look at old style phones. They were all the same, for decades at a time. When other companies were allowed to make and sell them, consumers didn't much care. Commodity item. Yawn.

      One could argue that the Smartphone is the Calculator watch of cell phones. Just a passing fad, with basic functionality being all most care about. Again this is a disaster for Apple.

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    42. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but I would compare all the burgers made by burger king to all the burgers made by mcdonalds. You seem to forget that there is not just *one* iPhone, it's a line of products. A fair comparison would be the iPhones to the Galaxy line. All the Galaxy line, the S, the note and all the other variants. Remember there's the iPhone 5, the iPhone 5c, both were on sale at the same time. Currently you've got the iPhone 6, the iPhone 6 plus and what I will call the iPhone 6 mini. All parts of the "iPhone" line, but not the one iPhone.

    43. Re:BS "most popualar" by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      The iPhone is a special case because they make the software, they make the hardware and they won't let anyone else. Not that there's anything particularly wrong with that. If google did the same, only made the galaxy line and didn't licence android out to whoever wants to make an android phone the market would probably be very different. Essentially you choose ios or a droid. If it's ios you get an iPhone if android you're spoiled for choice.

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    44. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      You seem to forget that there is not just *one* iPhone, it's a line of products.

      I did not forget. I said comparing the iPhone made by Apple to phones made by dozens of companies comprising hundreds of models is not a fair comparison.

      A fair comparison would be the iPhones to the Galaxy line

      Which I have stated. However I, again, am not comparing the Galaxy vs all iOS devices or all Apple devices. Why should people compare the iPhone against all Android devices?

      Remember there's the iPhone 5, the iPhone 5c, both were on sale at the same time. Currently you've got the iPhone 6, the iPhone 6 plus and what I will call the iPhone 6 mini. All parts of the "iPhone" line, but not the one iPhone.

      All of which are still vastly smaller than Android devices. They are vastly smaller than Android smartphones. It's not a good comparison which is my original point.

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    45. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Essentially you choose ios or a droid. If it's ios you get an iPhone if android you're spoiled for choice.

      Yes but most consumers don't choose based on Android or iOS. They choose brands and models. They choose Big Mac or Whopper. They don't choose three layer hamburger vs two layer hamburger.

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    46. Re: BS "most popualar" by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      Since it took McDonalds 23 years to sell their 1 billionth hamburger (famously, on the Art Linkletter Show in 1963), and it only took Apple 9 years, I guess that tells us that iPhones taste better than McDonalds.

    47. Re:BS "most popualar" by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 2

      Indeed, this is just cherry picking

      The Bible has sold more than 6 billion copies; Agatha Christie books (they're including all the iPhones models as one lump quantity, we can include do the same with her books) has sold 2 billion books. Using the same logic, the Beatles have sold 2 billion albums. And these are just off the top of my head (stats all taken from statisticbrain.com, I've no idea as to their accuracy but assume the numbers are within a reasonable margin of correctness ;-).

      1 billion iPhones is an impressive achievement true, but its nowhere near "most popular product evah!".

    48. Re:BS "most popualar" by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Pffft as if McDonald's hamburgers have had an impact on the world.

      - Philip Morris.

    49. Re: BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The generic term is smartphone. Under that heading come all the different smartphones from a variety of sources. Every different model of each smartphone is a different product to be counted.

    50. Re:BS "most popualar" by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Maybe, maybe not. Ios and iPhone are interchangeable, you can't have one without the other. The same can't be said for android and any specific phone. Well it kinda can because you can't get a galaxy or nexus or whatever without android but you know what i mean.

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    51. Re:BS "most popualar" by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      And in you we've found the retarded shitface who has been stinking up the place. Go flush yourself, you turd.

    52. Re: BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but the bratty little girls I see at Walmart run right to the endcap where the iPhones are and gleefully yammer about them. When doing so, they run past the aisles full of phones that run on the Android operating system.

    53. Re: BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you stupid? I mean, come on, really?

    54. Re:BS "most popualar" by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      For once we agree. Counting all the iphones as one product and then comparing them to a single car model is a rigged comparison, it's far more reasonable to compare them to ALL volkswagons sold.

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    55. Re:BS "most popualar" by counterplex · · Score: 1

      Aww yiss! My latest purchase included so many carbon atoms I didn't know what to do with them!

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    56. Re:BS "most popualar" by curious.corn · · Score: 1

      Nice try... ... now please try updating one Android phone with the software of another. No, doesn't work? They're incompatible products?!! Oh well...

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    57. Re:BS "most popualar" by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      I bet BIC have sold more than a billion Biros. And disposable razors.

      Exactly ... 100 billion BIC crystal biros (ballpoints) as of about 10 years ago ... that is probably the best-selling "single product" of all time ..

      Bic over the moon as sales top 100bn

    58. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bible - estimated 2.5 billion copies

    59. Re:BS "most popualar" by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      And yet Apple buys those ARM processors from Samsung - they're one of Samsung's products. And they're not the only ARM manufacturer out there.

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    60. Re: BS "most popualar" by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

      Best selling fiction novel ever!

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    61. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bet roofing tiles have sold more than 1 billion. Heck, my house alone has hundreds. And I'll bet most roofing tile companies have sold billions more than iPhones have sold.

      Comparing very high priced products like autos, to inexpensive ones, like phones, is almost silly. Thus I chose the roofing tiles, as they are relatively inexpensive, too.

    62. Re: BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That makes sense really - you don't know not to steal until you've read it.

    63. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Maybe, maybe not. Ios and iPhone are interchangeable, you can't have one without the other.

      Yes but iOS also powers the iPad and other Apple devices. Android does as well. At some point it's not an apples to apples comparison if you keep use a category for one side and a specific line for another side. To extend my car analogy, Toyota includes all Camrys in their count; which may include Camry station wagons. Honda counted all Civics in their #2 most popular car brand even the now defunct Civic Del Sol. Can Ford count the Escort Station Wagon if they make one? Yes. Can they count the Ford Focus in the Ford Escort category? No. Can you count all Fords passenger cars that happen to run on the same engine? No.

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    64. Re:BS "most popualar" by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      It's brand product models that are being compared here. If you read the summary they mention Toyota Corolla and not all Toyota cars, for example. Now you could pit the Samsung Galaxy vs the Apple iPhone and that would be a reasonable comparison.

      It also depends on what the goal of the metric is. What is the goal of the comparison? Anyhow who knows basic stats or deals with data regularly understands that you can arbitrarily create all sorts of categories. But do those categories get at something meaningful? By choosing the wrong categories, you can also end up causing all sorts of statistical ghosts, making it look like trends are the opposite of what they "really" are (in terms of the most practical interpretations) or other weird stuff.

      Toyota has for many years had the best selling car in America, the Toyota Camry. Would you argue that Ford has the best selling car because it has sold more cars overall than the Camry? Again, apples and oranges comparison.

      Well, again, we need to consider the purpose of the metric. Do we care most about proving what single "product" is the most popular (even if the boundaries around that "product" may be arbitrarily defined by a company), or are we trying to measure which company's product lines in general are the most popular?

      I think what this thread is about is that people are trying to point out that phones are the sort of thing that the average person has one of at a time. (Or, they may have a business phone and a personal phone, but they usually only tend to choose their personal one.)

      And therefore it's not like they are going to go out and buy 3 or 4 different Nokia or Samsung model phones for use at the same time (or an iPhone AND an Android phone or whatever). They make a choice to buy ONE phone. For some people, they may specifically desire the iPhone models, and they want that SPECIFIC phone over others. For other people, the choice is more broad -- do I want Apple or do I want Android? Or do I want Apple vs. Nokia vs. Samsung. Again, most people are going to end up choosing one product here at a time.

      And that means in terms of "popularity" it may or may not be meaningful to compare only models of phones. Perhaps more people are making a choice more like "Apple vs. Android" first, and then once they've decided Android, they narrow it down further. In that case, if the total number of Android phones is greater (regardless of who makes them), there's a case to be made that Android is "more popular."

      Most people I know seem to have relatively little brand loyalty these days. They'll happily switch to another Android company as long as the interface is somewhat similar (whereas switching to an iPhone is a lot more work). So the big categorical divide may not be around individual products but elsewhere... and that's why you may need to think about what it means to look at "popularity."

    65. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      And yet Apple buys those ARM processors from Samsung - they're one of Samsung's products. And they're not the only ARM manufacturer out there.

      No, Apple contracts Samsung and TSMC to make the ARM processors for them. They are not Samsung's products; they are Apple parts. Apple designs the processor and Samsung is not an architectural licensee of ARM. They can only package ARM cores; they cannot design their own ARM processors. You cannot go to Samsung and buy Apple's processor even if you offered them eleventy billion dollars.

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    66. Re: BS "most popualar" by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Of those sold, how many have been read all the way through? How many were given as mandatory gifts and never even opened by the recipient?

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    67. Re:BS "most popualar" by tattood · · Score: 1

      That's like saying if the most popular car is the Toyota Camry, then all American cars are more popular. Apple and oranges.

      Toyota is a Japanese company...

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    68. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The humble spoon. Countless billions of these items have been sold. They have had more impact on civilization than the iphone.

    69. Re: BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you own a warehouse, retailer or manufacturer, yes you'd care about the individual SKUs.

      But the "Apple Smartphone" is not a product line.

    70. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right. "A lot of people" is not "a specific person". Practice a bit more, in a few years you might hit a reading comprehension age of 11+.

    71. Re: BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first thought when I saw this story was to make a comment along the lines of "5 billion flies eat shit, but that doesn't make them right" but I didn't think it would be directly applicable to any of the comments.

      Thanks for providing one.

    72. Re: BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm fairly certain the shovel had this beat

    73. Re: BS "most popualar" by msauve · · Score: 1

      I'll bet Marlboro reds have them both beat by multiple magnitudes, not to mention Juicy Fruit gum and Coca Cola.

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    74. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung alone, in the past 6 years has sold more than 1.3 billion phones.
      According to http://www.statista.com/statistics/299144/samsung-smartphone-shipments-worldwide/

    75. Re: BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or condoms. Unfortunately the writer's parents seem to have missed using one, leaving us to deal with the mess.

    76. Re:BS "most popualar" by bane2571 · · Score: 1

      But that is the point, where the line is drawn is completely arbitrary, they select all phones made by apple because they all happen to have the same name but they limit the cars made by Volkswagen to the beetle.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      If you look at "all phones sold", Samsung killed a billion just in the last 5 years. This article is purely statistics massaging wankery. The only achievement Apple have made here is managing to not change the name of their device in nearly 10 years.

    77. Re:BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .. yes? Did the topic suddenly change once your argument was proven to be stupid?

    78. Re: BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but "Samsung Galaxy" is. And over a billion of them have been sold.

    79. Re: BS "most popualar" by easyTree · · Score: 1

      I invoke *the dictionary*:

      product
      ËprÉ'dÊOEkt/
      noun
      1.
      an article or substance that is manufactured or refined for sale.
      "dairy products"
      2.
      a thing or person that is the result of an action or process.
      "her perpetual suntan was the product of a solarium"
      synonyms: result, consequence, outcome, effect, upshot, fruit, by-product, spin-off, legacy, issue
      "her fear was a product of her emotional insecurity"

    80. Re: BS "most popualar" by aix+tom · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps that BicMacs last longer before you need a new one. ;-)

    81. Re:BS "most popualar" by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Yes but few people buy an ARM processor; they buy the electronic device which has an ARM processor.

      Why does this matter? Whoever buys it, it is still a product being sold, which is the claim here "most popular product of all time"
      If I had to add something to contention, I'd nominate grains of rice. Choose any brand of rice producer you like, I bet most of them sell more in a day than Apple would sell in a lifetime. The claim is marketing wank and we all know that.

    82. Re:BS "most popualar" by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Hey stupid - if they're making them and selling them to Apple, they're still products made by samsung, not apple. A product is something you produce. Apple doesn't produce the processors. They contract it out to samsung who produces the product for them. Same as all those car parts that are produced by sub-contractors who sell them to multiple car manufacturers.

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    83. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree that "most popular" is in dispute. I just said comparing one line of phones from Apple with all Android phones was not a good comparison. It makes the comparison meaningless. As for not changing the name, that's the point? Toyota hasn't changed the name of the Camry in 30+ years and the current model bears little resemblance to the original.

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    84. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Hey stupid - if they're making them and selling them to Apple, they're still products made by samsung, not apple.

      Just because you don't understand or care about the details of things does not mean you get to call people names when they point them out. I already told you exactly why contract for manufacture does not make it Samsung's product. Legally it's Apple's part and Samsung cannot sell it to anyone; hence, it's not a product of Samsung.

      A product is something you produce. Apple doesn't produce the processors. They contract it out to samsung who produces the product for them. Same as all those car parts that are produced by sub-contractors who sell them to multiple car manufacturers.

      Furthermore by desperately trying to extend the definition of product, you've created an untenable meaning of the word. The silicon wafer Samsung used to make the processor comes from a handful of silicon growers including Sun Edison; therefore, an iPhone is a product of Sun Edison. The screens of an iPhone are made from Corning Gorilla Glass; therefore the iPhone is a product of Corning. And it goes on and on.

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    85. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      If McDonald's wanted to call all their hamburgers, the Big Mac, it's their choice. If Apple wanted to call some of their phones, the iPhone it's their choice. Why I brought up the Galaxy is that it is exactly like the iPhone in many regards: different screens, different processors, different specs. Yet they are all called Galaxy. So when Samsung publishes Galaxy sales numbers are you the first one to point out how the "Galaxy" is really different iPhones or are you merely biased against Apple.

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    86. Re: BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      an article or substance that is manufactured or refined for sale .

      You can't buy iOS. You can't buy Android either. You can use Android. You can only get iOS if you buy an Apple product. So is the OS itself a product? No.

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    87. Re:BS "most popualar" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You make statements that I see no evidence to support, and say that it's a disaster to Apple.

      Smartphones are not quite a commodity, and I see no evidence to think they'll be fads. I don't expect dumb phones to go away, but people use the functionality on their smartphones, and are unlikely to be willing to discard it.

      I carry a device in my shirt pocket that has access to a tremendous amount of the world's knowledge, can give me directions when driving (by voice output - I'm not going to look at the silly thing while driving), keeps track of my appointments, handles my email, and displays virtual Pokemon I can catch. Those are all useful or entertaining, and people do use these. Many people use other features a lot more than making phone calls. Why would this be a fad? The Web wasn't.

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    88. Re:BS "most popualar" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Look at what people actually buy. Very few people buy an ARM processor; instead, they buy a device containing one. Very few people buy individual grains of rice; instead, they buy a box or a bag that contains a lot of grains. If there's a detailed receipt, look at the line item and see what the consumer bought. Ask the vendor about SKUs and how they're grouped.

      I suspect you'll find that there are more boxes of Uncle Ben's Converted Rice sold than iPhones, and that's the proper comparison.

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    89. Re:BS "most popualar" by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I get to call you stupid because you are. Go look up the definition of product.

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    90. Re: BS "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple to oranges.

      I c wut u did thar.

    91. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      product
      prädkt/
      noun
      noun: product; plural noun: products

      1.
      an article or substance that is manufactured or refined for sale.
      "marketing products and services"
      a substance produced during a natural, chemical, or manufacturing process.
      "waste products"
      synonyms: artifact, commodity, manufactured article; More
      creation, invention;
      goods, wares, merchandise, produce
      "a household product"
      a thing or person that is the result of an action or process.
      "his daughter, the product of his first marriage"
      synonyms: result, consequence, outcome, effect, upshot, fruit, by-product, spin-off
      "his skill is a product of experience"
      a person whose character and identity have been formed by a particular period or situation.
      "an aging academic who is a product of the 1960s"
      commercially manufactured articles, especially recordings, viewed collectively.

      Please learn something before you spout insults because you clearly do not know what the meaning of words mean. Also in the business sense, Samsung was providing a service not a product to Apple because they did not own the design; they cannot sell the design. That's what contract to manufacture means; a service. You ma'am simply are an idiot.

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    92. Re:BS "most popualar" by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Look at what people actually buy. Very few people buy an...

      The claim wasn't "the most bought line item". Most popular, means most of, and there lots and lots of things that number more than the iPhone.
      As I said, it's marketing wank, from one of the wankiest companies in the world.

    93. Re:BS "most popualar" by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Boy are you stupid. The suppliers don't give their products to manufacturers - they SELL them. Hence the definition applies. Samsung was selling Apple silicon on a chip. Apple only supplied the designs. Also, you can sell services. 2/3 of the economy is services, fucktard.

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    94. Re:BS "most popualar" by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The story was amended to note that it does not include non-durable products - things like bread that are consumed. Comparing the success of an iPhone to something that may be bought and used up daily isn't a fair comparison.

    95. Re:BS "most popualar" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Boy are you stupid. The suppliers don't give their products to manufacturers - they SELL them. Hence the definition applies. Samsung was selling Apple silicon on a chip. Apple only supplied the designs. Also, you can sell services. 2/3 of the economy is services, fucktard.

      You don't seem to understand what the term "ownership" means. The Ax processors are Apple's Intellectual Property and designed. They are owned by Apple. Samsung cannot sell to Apple their own property. They can only contract to manufacture what Apple grants them them ability to manufacture. No one can buy an Apple Ax processor. Therefore, it's not a product because Samsung cannot sell it.

      Secondly, the ARM licenses that Samsung holds forbid them from selling or manufacturing these processors as they do not hold architecture licenses for all the IP. They can only manufacture for licensees like Apple who own the designs of the Ax and NXP who designed the Mx coprocessors. Hence again these are not Samsung's property to sell. Is that clear enough? I see that you merely resort to insults when it is your lack of understanding that is the problem.

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    96. Re:BS "most popualar" by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      Who owns the intellectual property is irrelevant. The intellectual property owner rarely is the producer of the product. Take a piece of heavy equipment and look at all the different owners of the intellectual property. Or a car. Or a computer. None of them actually manufacture anything. Caterpillar and Case, Ford, Toyota, Lenovo, etc., are the producers and it's their product to sell, not the different owners of the IP.

      You are such a fucking moron who can't admit you fucked up. Grow up.

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  2. Big Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Big Mac is the most popular product of all time.

    1. Re:Big Mac by buck-yar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This. Something like 14 billion Big Mac's sold.

      Also, if they are grouping all the different model Iphones together, doesn't Toyota, Michael Jackson, etc get to group all of their similar products under one count as Apple got to?

      Seems like one of the most fraudulent claims heard this ____ (insert arbitrary date range here)

    2. Re:Big Mac by buck-yar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Errata- Looks like its more like 400 billion Big Macs (estimated), but they stopped counting.

    3. Re:Big Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, no, wait!!! You're not supposed to point out that the iphone is designed to be disposable.

    4. Re:Big Mac by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not to mention things like Blu Tac, Sellotape, a lot of brands of condoms, Bic Pens, most brands of cigarettes.

      Those are consumables. If you only look at durable goods, and you multiply the number manufactured by the useful lifetime, then I nominate the AK-47. Over 100 million have been manufactured, and many are still in use after more than 60 years.

    5. Re:Big Mac by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine that McDonalds has sold more Big Macs then it has sold regular hamburgers/cheeseburgers. In 2013 it was predicted McDonalds would be serving their 300 billionth burger (of any type).

    6. Re:Big Mac by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apple also sells Big Macs. They call it the Mac Pro.

      Well, it used to be big, anyway.

    7. Re:Big Mac by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      Not a chance. Coke a Cola would beat it hands down.

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    8. Re:Big Mac by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Those are consumables. "
      So is the iPhone. How many of the original iPhones are still in use?

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    9. Re:Big Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > durable goods
      > iPhone

      Nice try.

    10. Re:Big Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Errata- Looks like its more like 400 billion Big Macs (estimated), but they stopped counting.

      But wait, wait, how many Chicken McNuggets?

    11. Re:Big Mac by chiefcrash · · Score: 1

      I have had Bic pens that have lasted longer than most iPhones...

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    12. Re:Big Mac by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to mention things like Blu Tac, Sellotape, a lot of brands of condoms, Bic Pens, most brands of cigarettes.

      If you only look at durable goods, and you multiply the number manufactured by the useful lifetime, then I nominate the AK-47. Over 100 million have been manufactured, and many are still in use after more than 60 years.

      Lord of War, while a little preachy, has one of the best gun comments ever: "the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. " Perfectly sums up the engineering simplicity of the gun, as well as the mark (good or bad) that it has had on the world. But it definitely has made a much bigger impact on the world than the iPhone has.

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    13. Re:Big Mac by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Also, if they are grouping all the different model Iphones together, doesn't Toyota, Michael Jackson, etc get to group all of their similar products under one count as Apple got to?

      Why yes, they should, oh wait, they did that already. They didn't list the 1997 and 1998 Toyota Camrys separately. They combined all the model years.

    14. Re:Big Mac by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      Not to mention things like Blu Tac, Sellotape, a lot of brands of condoms, Bic Pens, most brands of cigarettes.

      Those are consumables.

      So is the iPhone.
      Apple do everything they can to stop you from using an iPhone for more than 2 years : sealed battery, unavailability of spare parts, software updates that make the phone slower and slower, ...
      I have Bic pens that outlasted my phones.

      If you only count only really durable items, I would go for the Zippo lighter. Half a billion have been manufactured and with proper care, they can last for more than a lifetime.

    15. Re:Big Mac by buck-yar · · Score: 1

      This source says nearly 400 billion estimated Big Macs https://www.reference.com/busi...

      One guy has eaten more than 25,000 (lets see iPhone beat that)

    16. Re:Big Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. Google tells me that 360 billion cigarettes smoked in the United States in 2007 alone. Something like 5.6 trillion worldwide per year. We've been smoking them for decades, and that usage is probably far far lower than it used to be. Those numbers leave the iPhone dead in the water. So why don't cigarettes count as a product? Is it because they're disposable? Phones are these days since you upgrade every 12-24 months. Is it the price point? Except a pack of cigarettes costs about the same as a harry potter book, which is included. Is it because it's just so ubiquitous that they no longer consider it a product? Or that it doesn't fit in with the story they were trying to spin?

    17. Re:Big Mac by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      And if you "register" your product, you get Fry's with it.

    18. Re:Big Mac by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      That's the thing, isn't it? LOTR books? Harry Potter? I've only ever had to buy one of each of those. People with iPhones, on average, seem to be on at least their third one by now.

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    19. Re:Big Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how many of those Burgers are still in use?

    20. Re:Big Mac by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      That source also says that it sells 900m a year. If it debuted in 1967, that was 49 years ago. 900m*49 = 44.1b. I think it's much more likely that 400b was a typo and supposed to be 40b. 400b would be about 259 Big Macs sold every second of every day for 49 years.

      Follow the first search result (or direct paywalled link) for a WSJ article from 2013 about the 300 billionth burger estimate.

    21. Re:Big Mac by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Which I really don't get, because the Quarter Pounder with Cheese is much tastier.

    22. Re:Big Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't they be including the corolla as well? Wait, you didn't think there was only 1 iPhone being manufactured per year, did you? That hasn't been true for a while. Find a hard time buying a 1998 Camry that was made in 2002.

    23. Re:Big Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Coke a Cola"?? WTF LOL

    24. Re:Big Mac by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The Big Mac is the most popular product of all time.

      hahahahahahahahh.... haaaa *lights up a cigarette*

    25. Re:Big Mac by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      If you're going to count consumables Philip Morris may have something to say about who has the most popular product.

      850 million cigarettes sold by Philip Morris .... in 2015.

    26. Re:Big Mac by jimbob6 · · Score: 1

      Marlboro lights.

    27. Re:Big Mac by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Mozambique put it on their flag.

      Looks like it's still there, too. Since 1975.

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    28. Re:Big Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AK-47 is a pile of shit as machineguns goes. It jams - a lot. It breaks - just add water and/or sand to it. You can't really shoot people covered in mud *while* in the mud. This from the country Mozambique came independent from. That's why we dropped AK-47 a loooong time ago in favor of HK-G3.

    29. Re:Big Mac by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I'll see your Big Mac and raise you a Coca-cola.

    30. Re:Big Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how you really measure "impact on the world", or estimate the counterfactual of what would have happened if neither the AK-47 nor the iPhone had ever been invented.

      But my gut feeling is that the iPhone has had a bigger impact, on more people, than the AK-47, if only because there are lots of other guns available, and they could and would have substituted for it. So maybe some wars and revolutions would have come out differently - so what? Broadly similar people would have risen to the top anyway, and after ten years you'd probably be hard put to tell the difference.

      But the iPhone has shaped an entire generation of the developed world. (Bearing in mind that it was the first of its kind, and to a greater or lesser extent everything that followed - including every Android phone ever - imitated it.)

    31. Re:Big Mac by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you'd care to tell me why my sister-in-law is incapable of using a hand-me-down iPhone 4 bought nearly six years ago then. It seems to work fine when I see her use it. I've never used a single Bic for three years, personally, and that's how often I tend to replace my iPhone. Are you just buying cheap phones that will fall apart soon?

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    32. Re:Big Mac by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      I don't write a lot that's why but I definitely have bic pens that are more than 3 years old. I also handed down a Nexus One (2010) that is still in use, although with a different battery.
      I don't know if your iPhone 4 got a battery change but if not, 6 years is quite impressive. I don't think I ever kept a battery that long on something that I use regularly. Li-ion batteries are usually expected to last 2-3 years and this is what I noticed.

    33. Re:Big Mac by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      My Bics last only a couple of years, tops. I may use them more than you.

      My sister-in-law's phone has never, to the best of my knowledge, had a battery replacement. It may have gotten light use; my batteries are always badly degraded when the three-year mark comes along. I'm hoping to keep it usable until the new iPhones come out, at which point either I'll buy a 7 version, I'll buy the SE a hundred dollars cheaper than it is now, or I'll get the battery replaced.

      Apple usually ships high-quality hardware, but I agree that's impressive for the battery to still be working.

      And my son still uses a dumb phone, which I don't understand, but it's his choice.

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  3. I think the most popular product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would be a knife. Everyone alive and dead has (had) at least one since longer than we've been human.

    1. Re: I think the most popular product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too true, well thought my friend, well thought.

    2. Re:I think the most popular product... by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      iPhone is a series of models of cell phone. A knife isn't a brand. Maybe if you said a Victorinox Swiss Army Knife but I doubt they've sold a billion.

      Even in the tech world, I can think of other things that have sold more than a billion. Windows licenses would easily be one of them. Intel processors routinely sell over 100m in a quarter.

    3. Re:I think the most popular product... by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Would be a knife. Everyone alive and dead has (had) at least one since longer than we've been human.

      Remember there is no spoon

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    4. Re:I think the most popular product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you've played Knifey Spooney before!

    5. Re:I think the most popular product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps Nike athletic shoes would be a better comparison. Part functional, large marketing and fashion component, "consumable" on the same time scale as an iPhone, kids mug and stab each other for some of them.

    6. Re:I think the most popular product... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The stone hand axe. Our branch of hominids have been using them for around 2 million years. (And sharpened sticks probably longer, but they don't fossilize.)

    7. Re:I think the most popular product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, yes. It would be more accurate to compare knives to smartphone, or mobile phones, or all telephones, or all real time voice communication devices, or all real-time communication devices, period. It would still win in every case.

    8. Re:I think the most popular product... by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      shoes, hats, underwear,
      shirts,
      pants,
      coats,
      gloves,
      bricks,
      nails,
      glasses of all types,
      pens,
      pencils,
      keys,
      lightbulbs,
      hammers,
      bolts and nuts and washers,
      knives,
      spoons,
      cups,
      plates,
      lighters,
      mirrors,
      shelves,
      coat hangers,
      clothing pins,
      needles ...
      I can go on, but all of the things I mentioned beat iPhones by orders of magnitude.

    9. Re:I think the most popular product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about an Intel chip? Probably more than a billion units sold...

  4. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty certain the number of milk cartons (and previously, bottles) sold would blow the iPhone out of the water.

  5. Desperate for good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone appears to be desperate for good news...

  6. Best selling product of all time? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Look, I like my iPhone, but - I'm sure there are a myriad of products which have sold more than a billion units. Q-Tips and Reynolds Wrap are probably among that august group.

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    1. Re:Best selling product of all time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Matches, razor blades, and cotton balls are competitors as well, I'm sure.

      How many gallons of gas have been sold?

      McDonald's has sold over 100 Billion hamburgers.

      And lets not forget cups of coffee!

    2. Re:Best selling product of all time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other elephant not mentioned is Android phones.

    3. Re:Best selling product of all time? by geek · · Score: 2

      Look, I like my iPhone, but - I'm sure there are a myriad of products which have sold more than a billion units. Q-Tips and Reynolds Wrap are probably among that august group.

      Toilet paper. Pretty sure I've bought more than a billion myself.

    4. Re:Best selling product of all time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think we have to put it as "durable" (semi) "visible" (as opposed to washers for screws) consumer products. This also comes down to Nokia having named their mobile phones as different models (which we separate) whilst we count 1,2,3,4,5 as the same thing.

      Still it's a pretty impressive number.

    5. Re:Best selling product of all time? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      McDonalds passed 100 billion burgers in the 90s, the estimate today is 3-400 billion. And it's definitively changed America(ns) too.

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    6. Re:Best selling product of all time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking toothpicks (since they've been around a lot longer than Q-tips).

    7. Re:Best selling product of all time? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      The other elephant not mentioned is Android phones.

      That's because not a single manufacturer of Android phones has reached the Billion-Unit mark, I'll bet.

    8. Re:Best selling product of all time? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Look, I like my iPhone, but - I'm sure there are a myriad of products which have sold more than a billion units. Q-Tips and Reynolds Wrap are probably among that august group.

      Toilet paper. Pretty sure I've bought more than a billion myself.

      You really need to have that IBS looked into...

    9. Re:Best selling product of all time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There isn't a year where Samsung sold less phones than Apple, for example.

    10. Re:Best selling product of all time? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Or matches, which didn't change their price over a period of 100 years.

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    11. Re:Best selling product of all time? by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      But Samsung sells a variety.... it'd be a fair comparison to compare Galaxy phones (all editions combined, since that's what they're doing with iPhones). But Apple doesn't offer the variety other manufacturers do... then they get to claim their singular product has outsold everyone else.

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    12. Re:Best selling product of all time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm kinda surprised how many people are posting consumables, like, wow.

    13. Re:Best selling product of all time? by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Doesn't offer the variety? You are aware that right now you can by 5 different iPhones each of which have 2-3 options for the amount of internal storage. How is that dissimilar from the 27 phones from Samsung? Note that the 27 "different" phones are really just different storage and carrier.

      If we compared ALL Galaxy phones (S series 1-7 and so on) to ALL iPhones (1-6, c, se, plus, and so on) as this count is saying. I would think that Samsung would be in the lead. Hell, just look at global marketshare lead to see Samsung phones have just shy of double the global market share of iPhones. Even at 55% of Samsungs phones being Galaxy phones, they'd still win.

    14. Re:Best selling product of all time? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And some have had a much bigger impact on society than an iPhone will ever have e.g. Cigarettes.

    15. Re:Best selling product of all time? by Solandri · · Score: 1

      This is something I've noticed about iPhone owners. Not all of them mind you, just a disproportionately larger share of them. They like the product not because it works well for them, but because it's popular. That is, their sense of the product's value is externalized. They feel better about their purchase because they know they're buying something lots of other people bought. That's why you get those silly iPhone covers with a cutout letting other people see the Apple logo - because it's important to them that other people know they have an iPhone.

      When one of these people is a reporter, they'll write articles exaggerating how "popular" the iPhone is, because it makes themselves (and other iPhone users) feel better about their purchase. The best evidence of this is when iPhone users are proud that the iPhone has the biggest profit margin of any cell phone. As a customer, a big profit margin is against your best interests. If you had to choose between buying two cars and one had a 20% profit margin and the other a 5% profit margin, all other things being equal, you as the purchaser would take the one with the 5% profit margin. But because their sense of self-worth is based more on popularity, and profit correlates to popularity, they basically like that they are over-paying for a product, simply because lots of other people are also over-paying for the same product.

    16. Re:Best selling product of all time? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      how about?

      wire (any guage)
      2x4" boards
      tires
      power strips
      light bulbs
      toothpaste
      paper or plastic grocery bags
      RJ11 connectors

      and on and on and on... iPhone is not the most popular or even the best selling product of all time. Not even close.

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    17. Re:Best selling product of all time? by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 1

      For that matter, the Nokia 1100 alone sold 250 million; that one model /alone/ equals 1/4 of the sales of /all/ of the different models of iPhone sold. If we were to group together all the Nokia phones, I'm sure those sales would dwarf Apple's phone sales.

    18. Re:Best selling product of all time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bic razers and lighters - billions sold each year

    19. Re:Best selling product of all time? by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Yes - I meant they are counting all iPhones as "iPhone," but I don't think they're counting all "Galaxy" phones as one phone.

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  7. Um, if we ignore the Bible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Recent estimates put the Bible at 5 billion copies sold.

    1. Re:Um, if we ignore the Bible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was my first thought as well, particularly when I saw that LOTR was listed. I'd say that 5 billion is probably an extremely conservative estimate as well.

    2. Re:Um, if we ignore the Bible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is covered by the previous suggestion for toilet paper to be listed.

    3. Re:Um, if we ignore the Bible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that's a fair comparison. If God were involved in many industries instead of only book writing, then I'm sure you'd exclude his super-charge battery and cure-everything pills from the ranking as "unfair competition", so let's exclude the Bible.

    4. Re:Um, if we ignore the Bible by lgw · · Score: 1

      This was my first thought as well, particularly when I saw that LOTR was listed. I'd say that 5 billion is probably an extremely conservative estimate as well.

      You'd be wrong there, it's around 150 million copies. While LOTR makes the "top tier" of lists of successful books, there's always an asterisk. For books there a "0th Tier", which are significantly above stuff like LOTR and Harold the Potter:
      * The Bible
      * Chairman Mao's Book You'll Be Shot If you Don't Buy
      * The works of Shakespeare
      * The works of Agatha Christie

      If you look at the list of best selling fiction authors, you'll see the next 2 best sellers after Christie are both romance novelists, and you have to go some ways down to find the first geek-interest author.

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    5. Re:Um, if we ignore the Bible by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Awkwardly phrased, but he was referring to the Bible, not LOTR.

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    6. Re:Um, if we ignore the Bible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd be wrong there, it's around 150 million copies.

      The Bible has only sold 150 million copies? That's the book he or she was referring to with "I'd say that 5 billion is probably an extremely conservative estimate...."

    7. Re:Um, if we ignore the Bible by lgw · · Score: 1

      Ah, fair enough.

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  8. Its Miller time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many Miller Lights have been sold?

    1. Re:Its Miller time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh. Too many. Way too many...

  9. Perception by VorpalRodent · · Score: 5, Funny

    It unleashed forces which we are barely able to perceive...

    ...except with an oscilloscope.

    But seriously, hyperbolize much?

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    1. Re:Perception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But seriously, hyperbolize much?

      Not compared to the sheer scale and intensity of hyperbole we could craft!

    2. Re:Perception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were you there during the Great 3D Printing Revolution a few years ago?

    3. Re:Perception by monkeyxpress · · Score: 4, Funny

      It unleashed forces which we are barely able to perceive...

      ...except with an oscilloscope.

      But seriously, hyperbolize much?

      This is why marketing doesn't invite you to client facing meetings...

    4. Re:Perception by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      Hi, I'd like to demo my new computer game, HyperboleCraft.

  10. Give me a break. by enigma32 · · Score: 1, Troll

    Sorry, Apple fanbois, the iPhone is not the best selling camera of all time.
    It may be the best selling "device with a camera" of all time, but it is not a "camera".

    Furthermore: bic pens? razors? pine tree-shaped air-fresheners ... I would wager a bet these all sold more.

    It has sold very well, yes, but let's not blow our load over it.

    1. Re:Give me a break. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best selling camera: Kodak Brownie, (probably)

    2. Re:Give me a break. by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      As it turns out, just the BIC Cristal Pen sold one hundred billion by 2005 http://www.abc.net.au/radionat....

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    3. Re:Give me a break. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BIC pens are meant to be eaten, and they rot away like nothin'!

  11. About time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally a suitable metric for culling the human population.

  12. Clickbait for Nerds by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 0

    Just post something so obviously wrong about a tech product and the nerds will come rolling in with tons of ad impressions.

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  13. What?! by tonyyeb · · Score: 1

    Milk, bread, cheese, rice, Big Mac?

    1. Re:What?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      produce != product

    2. Re: What?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is a Big Mac "produce"?

    3. Re: What?! by andreas.hummelbrunne · · Score: 1

      Comes from the BigMac-Tree

  14. Good god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...it is so much more than a product. It is an enabler for change. It unleashed forces which we are barely able to perceive, let alone control. It changed the world because it changed us. And it did all that in less than nine years."

    Get a room.

  15. The Bible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guinness estimates that 5 billion copies of the Bible have been sold.

    1. Re:The Bible by number6x · · Score: 1

      The Bible estimates that over 5 Billion pints of Guinness have been sold.

      Last St. Paddy's day.

    2. Re:The Bible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we know how stupid those people must be.

      Go suck on a hairy one...

    3. Re:The Bible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can attest for 1 billion. Who drinked the rest?

  16. Lightbulbs by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

    G.E. Lightbulbs: 100's of Billions.

    1. Re:Lightbulbs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Total (money) value of sales is probably a better guide to these things.

    2. Re:Lightbulbs by sittingnut · · Score: 1

      accounting for total money value, as you suggest, will not make iphone get the absurd 'most popular product' title either.
      total money value of variety of aircrafts(eg boeing 747) , and various industrial products, probably exceed iphones by several folds.
      even in consumer products, as summery above mentioned, millions of toyota corollas, or variety of other cars, starting with model T, multiplied by their value exceed iphones'.

      and if all iphone models are counted as one product , shouldn't all models of cars, tvs, washing machines, rtc, (not to mention nokia and others phones and land phones of various brands), by same company count as one too?
      if so iphones will be way down in "most popular product" list,both item wise and money wise.

      whole concept here is absurd and dishonest, and only permissible as marketing hype( which is apple's core competence ).
      as such why it is doing in /. is the question, especially since it is a direct editor post.
      does apple pay to get trash here?

    3. Re:Lightbulbs by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      If we're going by total value or cost, the International Space Station at $150 billion for ONE, of one single model, is in the running. Then there's the 747, costing $357 million apiece in today's dollars, with over 1,500 built, for over $535 billion. And then there's anti-matter - $6.5 trillion per gram.

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  17. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's probably been more apples (as in the fruit) sold than all Apple products!

  18. Apple(s) and oranges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    it's kind of disingenuous to compare it to some of the products. For example the books, they don't change yet the phone has changed quite a bit over time. Who will keep their phone for nine years yet the books will be kept in many cases for decades and who needs to get a new LoTR? The same goes for autos, they can easily be working for fifteen years and people have a much greater investment in them. I also doubt that you could get parts and repair for an iphone fifteen years later too. They're all very different products.

    Also, the iphone isn't that radical, it would have happened a year or two later from another company.

    1. Re: Apple(s) and oranges by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

      The iPhone was really just a copy of the Palm Pilot phone...

    2. Re: Apple(s) and oranges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you eat some sour grapes this morning?

      And, where is Palm today?

    3. Re: Apple(s) and oranges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iPhone was really just a copy of the Palm Pilot phone...

      I guess that's why people were lining up to buy Palm Pilots?

    4. Re: Apple(s) and oranges by Jappus · · Score: 1

      And, where is Palm today?

      The same place where Apple will be in 10-20 years?

      After all, who knows?
      IBM used to be everywhere, now it's just around.
      Microsoft used to be ubiquitous in many areas, now it's only so in one ... and that barely.
      Before there was Twitter and Facebook, there was MySpace and before that, GeoCities?

      Before cars were made, people bought horse carriages. Can you name one horse carriage builder now?

      Things change and even the greatest empires eventually fall. No country on this earth is now even remotely like it was 50 years ago.

      The greatest fools are not those who predict the future, but those who believe their own predictions will come to pass as is.

    5. Re: Apple(s) and oranges by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      No country on this earth is now even remotely like it was 50 years ago.

      There's plenty of shitholes that were shitholes back in the day. Even Somalis don't want to live in Somalia. Venezuela is, if anything, worse off than it was 50 years ago thanks to food riots, etc. And North Korea ... well, it's still North Korea.

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  19. Pageviews vs Unique Visitors by gimmeataco · · Score: 0

    Pageviews vs Unique Visitors Isn't that number is skewed because of how many unique people bought multiple iPhones due to wear/tear and/or planned obsolescence. I know I didn't have to buy 5-8 copies of The Lord of the Rings to utilize it for it's lifetime. - Mmm.... McDonald's Hamburgers.

  20. Toilet Paper by Doub · · Score: 0

    I wipe my ass with products more "popular" than the iPhone.

    Your messiah is long dead, don't you think it's time to pick another religion?

  21. I'm sure they can match this number. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although they were not an official sponsor of the Olympic Games, Durex provided 150,000 free condoms to more than 10,000 athletes that competed in the 2012 Summer Olympics in London

    That's in one month, in one place. They have several subbrands name, but I'm sure that they have some of them which are over 1 billion.

  22. Requested feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like a new feature in the form of a story filter based on poster.

  23. The hyperbole is strong with this one by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

    I won't argue that the iPhone is a successful product - clearly it is. The uncritical leap from reasonable statements about its success as a product to the "so much more" and "enabler of change" bugs me a bit. The blatant worship makes me question the entire article and leads me to believe that the reality is somewhat less profound. And that's too bad, because it takes away from the deserved praise that the iPhone and Apple should receive for their success. I've heard of "damning with faint praise". Now I've actually seen "damning with overenthusiastic praise" in action. As always, the middle path is the place to walk.

  24. Not single products by sjbe · · Score: 1

    The iPhone is not only the best-selling mobile phone but also the best selling music player, the best-selling camera, the best-selling video screen and the best-selling computer of all time.

    There is no "the iPhone". iPhone is a model designation that has covered a family of phones. It's just as idiotic as saying the Toyota Corolla is the best selling car because each year the product is tangibly different than the year before. The Toyota Corolla sold today bears little resemblance to the one sold even 10 years ago much less 30. If they want to specify a particular build of those products then fine. But calling the iPhone brand a single product is just stupid.

    1. Re:Not single products by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Here is a list of the best-selling cell phones ever. It is visibly ruled by Nokia.

    2. Re:Not single products by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Wow, case closed.

      Apple is not even in the top 10 for phones sold...

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    3. Re:Not single products by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      But since their stuff is massively overpriced junk... er, I mean a luxury product, they still manage to be tremendously profitable.

  25. Don't pee your pants --- it's not 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dumb Articles Like This Make Apple Look Bad

    Article: "It unleashed forces which we are barely able to perceive, let alone control."

    Dude -- chill the F out. It's a phone that uses internet.

    It's not 2007 when the iPhone was launched, there is no need to pee your pants.

    It would probably be ok to pee your pants during the 2007 iPhone unveiling. A decade later, no excuse to pee your pants over an iPhone.

    1. Re:Don't pee your pants --- it's not 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It unleashed forces which we are barely able to perceive, let alone control."

      translation: it "unleashes" forces that are insignificant, and it's hard to use

    2. Re:Don't pee your pants --- it's not 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and it's hard to use

      Translation: I'm an idiot.

    3. Re:Don't pee your pants --- it's not 2007 by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      "It unleashed forces which we are barely able to perceive, let alone control."

      translation: it "unleashes" forces that are insignificant, and it's hard to use

      You can say a lot of things about the iPhone; but "Hard to use" is not one of them.

      And if the iPhone was so hard to use, why, then did EVERY SINGLE PHONE cold-copy the iPhone?

    4. Re:Don't pee your pants --- it's not 2007 by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Or they're holding it wrong :-)

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    5. Re:Don't pee your pants --- it's not 2007 by sexconker · · Score: 1

      It would probably be ok to pee your pants during the 2007 iPhone unveiling. A decade later, no excuse to pee your pants over an iPhone.

      In 2007 the iPhone represented a major downgrade from the phone I bought in 2006. In many ways it still does.

    6. Re:Don't pee your pants --- it's not 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't though. My Uncle has an iPhone and always thought it had this menu that pulled up from the bottom of the screen. He always wondered why it didn't pull down from the top. Then he started playing with an Android and saw that it did it in the way that made sense and asked when Android introduced that. I told him it's been there since as long as I can remember and he went "oh, so Apple wanted to copy it in a way but not get sued, makes sense why there version is so stupid".

    7. Re:Don't pee your pants --- it's not 2007 by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      The iPhone was marketed very well by Apple and it was a combination of marketing, advertising, timing, and technical aptitude that resulted in its success. It was not successful because it was "better". Everyone copied it because they simply wanted similar success.

      However you are right that that success left a mark. The number of BS product development meetings I've had to sit through where the CEO or Sales Executive would say something like "how can we be as successful as Apple with the iPhone?" And then expect us to come up with something relevant for products and market segments that are *entirely* different to a consumer-grade touch-screen computer-phone. Idiots.

    8. Re:Don't pee your pants --- it's not 2007 by Gussington · · Score: 1

      You can say a lot of things about the iPhone; but "Hard to use" is not one of them.

      Depends on what you're trying to do. It's hard to use your "pocket computer" to store and transfer files.
      It's also hard to tailor the UI to your liking as most computers have done for the last 30 years.

      And if the iPhone was so hard to use, why, then did EVERY SINGLE PHONE cold-copy the iPhone?

      You mean by copying the rectangle form factor? I'm pretty sure someone else already invented that...

    9. Re:Don't pee your pants --- it's not 2007 by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      And if the iPhone was so hard to use, why, then did EVERY SINGLE PHONE cold-copy the iPhone?

      You mean by copying the rectangle form factor? I'm pretty sure someone else already invented that...

      Nice try, fucktard. No, as this clearly shows, the ripoff went a LOT further than just a Rounded Rectangle, buddy-o.

    10. Re:Don't pee your pants --- it's not 2007 by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Like multitasking, the swipe down/up menu on the home screen, Apple Maps, iPad "mini", the iPhone 6 plus etc etc?
      Why, then did APPLE cold-copy Android/Samsung?

  26. Different devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The bulk of the iPhones are made by different vendors such as Samsung, LG, Qualcomm, Texas Instruments.
    If you are counting all the different iPhones over the years, then you need to count all the android devices; Google claims there 1.4 billion _active_ android devices.

    1. Re:Different devices by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The bulk of the iPhones are made by different vendors such as Samsung, LG, Qualcomm, Texas Instruments.

      That statement is false and factually incorrect on its value. The iPhone is made by several manufacturing companies that Apple has contracted like the company formerly known as Foxconn; however, none of them are the companies you've listed. Those companies do make components of cell phones which are probably in many other phones.

      If you are counting all the different iPhones over the years, then you need to count all the android devices; Google claims there 1.4 billion _active_ android devices.

      Android being an OS and not a company nor a model that's not comparing apples to apples. Now if you want to match iPhone vs the Samsung Galaxy line of phones, that's fair. Your comparison is like comparing McDonald's Big Mac against all pizza places because pizza use cheese.

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    2. Re:Different devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say it's closer to comparing *all McDonald's burgers* against all pizza places.

      Hamburger = iPhone 4
      Quarter Pounder = iPhone 5
      Big Mac = iPhone 6

  27. One (two-part) word: Coca-Cola by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

    And it's surely also the one that sold most units of the same SKU, unlike all iPhone variants mashed up in one big statistic. It is in every single market in the world, for every single pocket type, rich or poor, black, white, red or yellow (sorry if that sounded racial). Of course it might no longer be the most profitable, but wake me up when there's relevant numbers of daily purchases of the exact same phone by the same subject for his or her own personal use.

    1. Re:One (two-part) word: Coca-Cola by mark-t · · Score: 1

      To be fair, however, there were at least three variants of Coca-cola that all went by that name in just the past 40 years.

    2. Re:One (two-part) word: Coca-Cola by jrumney · · Score: 1

      To be fair, however, there were at least three variants of Coca-cola that all went by that name in just the past 40 years.

      There's half a dozen variants on the shelf of my closest convenience store today.

    3. Re:One (two-part) word: Coca-Cola by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I was not referring to the various types such as Coke Zero, Diet Coke, Cherry Coke, etc... just Coca-Cola. Off the top of my head, was old Coke, new Coke, and then Coke Classic that eventually just got called Coke (which was similar, but not actually identical to old Coke).

  28. Nokia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones

    What an idiot...

  29. Who the hell is... by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

    Asymco (the website that published this 'story')? Never heard of them. What makes them the authority on sales numbes?

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  30. Samsung Galaxy S? by dafradu · · Score: 1

    If the iPhone is one product, how many Galaxy S have Samsung sold since the first one? The iPhone have its variants, Samsung has much more variants but still counts as 1 product, right?

    This is as big fanboy clickbait article as it can be.

    1. Re:Samsung Galaxy S? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't the Samsung Galaxy line, including A, E, C, J, Note, and Tab, count as one product then?

    2. Re:Samsung Galaxy S? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fewer.

      From Wikipedia:

      The Samsung Galaxy S series has sold more than 177 million units, with Samsung Galaxy S selling over 25 million units, Samsung Galaxy S II selling over 40 million units, Samsung Galaxy S III selling over 60 million units, Samsung Galaxy S4 selling over 40 million units and finally over 12 million units of the Samsung Galaxy S5 were sold during its first three months of availability.[2]

      The iPhone has consistently been the single most popular model in each generation, even as it was outsold in aggregate by all other models.

  31. 247 billion McD's hamburgers sold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...according to Random Internet Guy With Totally Unimpeachable Methods: http://overhowmanybillionserved.blogspot.com/

  32. please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    more advertising.

  33. Re:Made in the USA by lgw · · Score: 3, Informative

    And I can't wait for the Trumpers to jump on the fact none were built in Merica!

    I often wonder if the people who post stuff like this are the same people who complain about H-1Bs. I suspect so.

    If someone is unemployed, and would like products consumed in America to be built in America, so that he might have a better chance to get a job, well, I disagree but I have to respect where he's coming from. Mocking people like that is why we have Trump.

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  34. Ooopss by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

    ...sales NUMBERS..

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  35. Consumer electronics bullshit. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One Mr. Kalashnikov would like to remind you that he has (often literally) revolutionized substantially more territory than Apple has; and he only had to sell ~100 million units to do it!

  36. Best selling product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple iPoop! Available with pastel colors!

  37. Toilet Paper Tubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over 17 billion TP tubes are used each year. That's enough to fill the Empire State Building, twice.

  38. FALSE COMPARISON by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    The iPhone is not a product, it's a brand. As in there are multiple different models.

    When they compare it to cars, they compared it to specific models - the VW Beetle, the Lord of the Rings. They didn't compare it to all VW cars, or all Tolkien books.

    That would have been a fair comparison.

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    1. Re:FALSE COMPARISON by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      The Beatle did not go unchanged for it's production run and some of the changes where pretty significant including engine growing from 1100cc to 1600cc. So I would say it is valid. BTW they are wrong I would put money on Coke a Cola as being the most popular product of all time.

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  39. Oh, do hush by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    I dread to think what Horace Dediu was doing to himself as he wrote this, but I don't think it was sanitary.

    It is, quite simply, the best-selling product of all time. It is that because

    Because you've decided what counts as a "product" and what doesn't. How many cigarettes have ever been bought? How many copies of the Bible have sold? How many different versions of the iPhone are you bundling as a single product?

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  40. Bread? by cyberjock1980 · · Score: 1

    What about loaves of bread? How many loaves of bread have been sold?

    I'd call bread a product, certainly sold more than 1 billion loaves over the years. In fact, I'd bet quite a large sum of money far more than 1 billion loaves of bread have been made over the years and sold.

    This seems like a desperate attempt to take a big number and wack off to it while claiming Apple is the greatest ever.

  41. ... and how many Android phones sold ever? by Sebby · · Score: 1

    or what about computers for that matter?

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  42. Planed obsolescence! by DrYak · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yes, bitches!
    Planned obsolescence works !

    It is that because it is so much more than a product.

    Yup, indeed. It's not a product, it's fashion. And like with all designer clothes, you need to perpetually throw the old ones away and buy new ones !

    - Call me when a car maker start to require you to replace your car every 24months (replacing the whole car, I mean. Literally. Not over billing you for a simple software update over some proprietary extension to the ODB port that they charge metaphorically as expensive as a new car).
    - Call me when you need to replace a music record record every few month... no... wait... Okay, the whole purpose of adding DRM to music and introducing a new format every once in a while is exactly for that. So I'll concede the point.
    - Call me when you need to replace a book every few months... oh... yeah... right. The whole DRM on e-books and Amazon remotely wiping books. Ok, I'll concede that one too. ...well actually, on second thoughts, it seems to me that the whole industry is whatching carefully Apple, taking notes, and trying to apply planned obsolescence to their own field of work..

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    1. Re:Planed obsolescence! by Karlt1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, bitches!
      Planned obsolescence works !

      Apple supports their phones with updates longer than any other manufacturer. Even without updates, you can still use a first generation iPhone today.

      Yup, indeed. It's not a product, it's fashion. And like with all designer clothes, you need to perpetually throw the old ones away and buy new ones !

      Apple has been selling basically the same form factor -- the iPhone 5 for over four years.

      - Call me when a car maker start to require you to replace your car every 24months (replacing the whole car, I mean. Literally. Not over billing you for a simple software update over some proprietary extension to the ODB port that they charge metaphorically as expensive as a new car).

      Not only does Apple not force you to replace their phone every 24 months. If you bought an iPhone 4s in September of 2011, you are still receiving updates.

      - Call me when you need to replace a music record record every few month... no... wait... Okay, the whole purpose of adding DRM to music and introducing a new format every once in a while is exactly for that. So I'll concede the point.

      Apple hasn't sold DRM'd music since 2008.

    2. Re:Planed obsolescence! by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Plenty of cars are leased for fixed periods, after which you have to trade them in. Sounds similar to cell phones of all kinds, which also have to be changed every 24-36 months.

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    3. Re:Planed obsolescence! by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      No one forces you to change phones every 24 to 36 months.

    4. Re:Planed obsolescence! by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Planned obsolescence sucks indeed, and you nailed it with the fashion comment; but realistically, very very few people could afford to drop $30 grand every two years on a new car. The iPhone is generally about $200 with a 2 year contract.
      I can't say I've ever had music or eBooks erased on me though. So far.

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    5. Re:Planed obsolescence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried using an older model of the iPhone with updates? They make the system run like crap without anything running. Just navigating the store becomes a challenge. I'd rather get no updates and a functional OS, than updates that makes everything run like crap, while all applications no matter how tiny they are require the latest model. If that's not forced obsolescence, I don't know what it is.

    6. Re:Planed obsolescence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pssssssst... Your Apple hate talking points are out of date... By like 8 years.

    7. Re:Planed obsolescence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fanboy much?

    8. Re:Planed obsolescence! by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      No one FORCES you to trade in your car either. So what's your point?

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    9. Re:Planed obsolescence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple supports their phones with updates longer than any other manufacturer. Even without updates, you can still use a first generation iPhone today.

      This is simply not true. I had an iPhone 3GS and I stopped receiving updates within my first two years of ownership (I bought late in the cycle). Consequently my iPhone was vulnerable to a decade old SSL issue.

    10. Re:Planed obsolescence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Even without updates, you can still use a first generation iPhone today

      Yes, you can 'use' it meaning you can turn it on and make calls, etc. But you can no longer add apps to it or 'grow' with it. Thanks to the purposeful demand that app developers stay within a couple iOS versions of the current one, (mainly for ad APIs and planned obsolescence), as discussed.

      heck I can still run my Win95 computer as well, but better yet- still ad software to it believe it or not. Runs slow but I can still add stuff to it. Yes.

    11. Re:Planed obsolescence! by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      Apple supports their phones with updates longer than any other manufacturer. Even without updates, you can still use a first generation iPhone today

      For what definition of "use it"? A lot of Apps won't work if you have older phone. I have an iPod touch which I bought about 4 years ago. I can use it, sure. But I can't have Spotify on it because the latest version of iOS supported by the device isn't capable of running the latest version of Spotify. That's a bit shit, if you ask me.

    12. Re:Planed obsolescence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *typo
      ad software = add software, (not meaning advertising software).

    13. Re:Planed obsolescence! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Even without updates, you can still use a first generation iPhone today.

      Well, sure. The question is can you still use it after you've "updated."

    14. Re:Planed obsolescence! by sdguero · · Score: 1

      Apple has been selling basically the same form factor -- the iPhone 5 for over four years.

      http://www.apple.com/iphone/

      Apple's website does not list the iphone 5 as being for sale.

      Apple hasn't sold DRM'd music since 2008.

      Pretty sure it was 2009, and the only reason Apple dropped fariplay was because it made financial sense due to their dominant market position and the public's rising awareness of how shitty DRM is (especially Apple's implementation of it).

      I.e. I think two of your points are moot/wrong and wonder what else in your argument is convoluted.

    15. Re: Planed obsolescence! by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Reading is fundamental. Someone said that People bought a new phone as a fashion statement. I said that Apple has been selling basically the same "form factor" as the iPhone 5. I did not say they were still selling the same phone. The iPhone 5 came out in 2011. The iPhone SE is the same "basically the same form factor" and they are selling it now.

      The story behind why and how Apple stopped selling DRMd music is well documented.

      1. Around late 2006/early 2007 other companies were trying to sell music but couldn't make headway because their DRMs music wasn't compatible with FairPlay.

      2. The music industry/music sellers tried to pressure Apple into licensing FairPlay.

      3. Apple refused and Steve Jobs posted his "Thoughts on Music" post on the front page of Apple.com. I can't find the original but here is the relevant quote - https://m.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/2pkdis/thoughts_on_music_steve_jobs_open_letter_about/

      Imagine a world where every online store sells DRM-free music encoded in open licensable formats. In such a world, any player can play music purchased from any store, and any store can sell music which is playable on all players. This is clearly the best alternative for consumers, and Apple would embrace it in a heartbeat. If the big four music companies would license Apple their music without the requirement that it be protected with a DRM, we would switch to selling only DRM-free music on our iTunes store. Every iPod ever made will play this DRM-free music.

      He said that if the music industry would allow it. They would be glad to sell DRM free interoperable music.

      4. Only one of the big four companies - EMI - took him up on the offer at first. The other companies wanted Apple to pay a deposit because of concerns about piracy, wanted a cut of every iPod sold (they refused but MS caved with the Zune), wanted to not be forced to sell by the song, and wanted to variable pricing. Apple refused. This was before the iPhone went on sale in mid 2007.

      5. The music industry tried to play hardball by allowing every other company that would meet there demands to sell DRM free music and not allow Apple to sell music from the iPhone over the cellular network - only wifi.

      6. By 2008. They came to an agreement. Apple would allow variable pricing and the music industry would allow them to sell songs over the cellular network.

    16. Re: Planed obsolescence! by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Not true. Apple released iOS 6.1.6 in 2/2014 for the 3GS after iOS 7 was released to patch the SSL bug.

      https://support.apple.com/kb/dl1722?locale=en_US

      The 3GS went on sale June 2009 and received updates until 2/2014 - over 4 years after it was introduced.

    17. Re:Planed obsolescence! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is that people who keep an iPhone for four years are less likely to spend money, and vendors aren't going to worry about selling to such people. That's been the case in the personal software industry about as long as it's been around. I assume that all the Apple functionality is working just fine (my sister-in-law has my wife's old iPhone 4, almost six years old now, and it works well), and your gripe is with the app vendors.

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    18. Re:Planed obsolescence! by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is that people who keep an iPhone for four years are less likely to spend money, and vendors aren't going to worry about selling to such people.

      I'm sure that's true. People who change their phone often are likely have more money and so more likely to spend it on software as well as hardware. Certainly my gripe is on the software side, but whether it's purely with the App vendors isn't clear to me. It seems plausible that Apple is updating iOS in a way that makes backward compatibility difficult. It's in their interest to do this since it drives hardware sales. Given the high adoption rate of newer iOS releases and the apparent backward compatibility issues these create, it may be that App vendors just aren't in a position to support older versions of iOS. Their hand is forced to a degree.

  43. Bibles by blogagog · · Score: 1

    Supposedly, 6 billion bibles have been sold or donated. The iPhone still has a way to go.

  44. Carbon Dioxide? by EzInKy · · Score: 0

    The most popular product of all time would have to be carbon dioxide. Without it the vast majority of plants that sustain animal life could not survive.

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  46. Rice (counted by the grain) is the most popular... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely rice (counted by the grain) is the most popular product of all time!

  47. iPhone chargers, by far outpace iPhones by netsavior · · Score: 1

    Since their charge cables are so shitty, each iPhone user will go through at least 10 cables per phone, so 1billion iPhones = 10billion+ chargers

  48. Durable phone ? by DrYak · · Score: 2

    Those are consumables.

    Given how quickly smartphone obsolesce and how all manufacturer try to require you to buy a new one every 24 months max...

    Well that isn't entirely inappropriate to compare smartphones and consumables.

    If you only look at durable goods, and you multiply the number manufactured by the useful lifetime,

    Wait, what ?
    "durable goods" ? "useful lifetime" ? What the hell do these subjects have anything to do with a smartphone ?
    Next, you're going to speak about battery longevity. Actual battery. The kind that holds for a couple of weeks instead of a couple of days/hours...

    then I nominate the AK-47. Over 100 million have been manufactured, and many are still in use after more than 60 years.

    Which would be very hard to say about smartphone.

    (But probably still applies to the ancient Nokia plain-stupid-phone that you've forgotten that you still had at the bottom of some drawer. With its battery still at 50%)

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    1. Re:Durable phone ? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      I put it to you that not much from McDonald's is consumable.

    2. Re:Durable phone ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      manufacturers try to require you to buy a new one

      Try to? Well, I guess as long as they don't succeed. I'm getting close to four years on my phone.

  49. Bestest ever of all time, ha? by roman_mir · · Score: 0

    Ok, so how about this:

    Bread: >100 Trillion pieces for sure (over 8000 years of history of humans making bread)
    Milk: > 100 Trillion glasses for sure (over 8000 years of history of humans using non human milk) ...
    Shoes. I don't know, almost everybody has feet, almost everybody wears maybe 100 pairs of shoes in their lifetime.....

    I mean iPhone is the *best selling product ever* is not even close.

  50. Product category compared to specific models by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can't just arbitrarily take the sum of all the models that a company has produced in a category and compare it to specific models in other fields. Try comparing the iPhone to 3M's all types of post-it notes, who has sold more units? If you want Apple to win that comparison by going "by value" you are worse off, since most car manufacturers trump you, even if you just go by "model" as this BS topic does and not the total of cars that a manufacturer has made. Oh, and, by the way, and "Corolla" is just a model line when we say "brand" we usually refer to "Toyota".
    If you want to get more serious, you can find products that sell more both in units and value. E.g. Coca Cola sells in a week, about as many bottles of Coke as Apple iPhones have been sold in history and it is just a matter of how many years back you have to go with Coke bottles to reach a greater overall value in Coke than iPhones...
    And it gets even worse than that. Even among phones, the iPhone is not that remarkable in *numbers*. The lowly Nokia 1110 sold 250 million units. This is far above any single iPhone model. In fact, some of its directy predecessors each sold more units than all or most iPhone models (e.g. the 1100 also about 250 million, the 3210 over 150 million, the 3310 130 million etc). Similar to the iPhones Nokia made phones that were very similar in looks and software and differed only in the model number, so if you can sum up all iPhones you can sum up a line of Nokia phones and come up with more than a billion.
    Why not just stay at the fact that the introduction of the iPhone was a paradigm shift that shaped the entire smartphone market and it continues to be one of the most popular platforms to this day? Why do you have to make up such BS headlines?

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    1. Re:Product category compared to specific models by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What was the paradigm shift actually?

      As I see it, only major difference was the capasitive screen, which made the touch-mobile experience 'magical' and buttons became obsolete.

      It was like seizing the technology window perfectly, nothing else.

    2. Re:Product category compared to specific models by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      come on, /. i am so disappointed in each and every one of you.

      you all should know that the "bit" is the best selling product of all time. 60 PETABYTES of them are bought and sold and transferred every year... just on the internets, and the market for them just on that one platform increases some 25% every year.

    3. Re:Product category compared to specific models by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry i missed eight bits there, it should be 600 PB per year, not 60.

  51. Planned obsolescence... by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Q-Tips and Reynolds Wrap are probably among that august group.

    Things that you only use for a limited amount of time, before throwing them away and buying a new(er) one ?

    No, no. I assure you, smartphones also qualify in this category...

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  52. MOSTEST MOST POPULAR PRODUCTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wheel

    Faucets

    Toilets

    Doors

    Windows

    Sheets

    Underwear

    Shoes

    Cups

    Bowls

    Knives

    Forks

    Spoons

    Cars

    Horses

    Cats

    Dogs

    screws

    nails

    Hammers

    Bread

    This list is fucking endless. Just like the Apple spin.

    Yes, if you can lump ALLLLL the iphone models into your apple hype machine, I can lump all of these types of products together too.

  53. There is a good reason for this by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Books don't break nearly as often, and VW beetles could be repaired.

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  54. Fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coincidentally the first instance of copyright infringement known to man.

  55. Yes, but read the comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read the comments to that article

  56. The Bible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The bible got the iPhone covered a couple of times over. And it's not something cheesy consumable like the big mac (see what I did there?).

  57. Misleading number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many of those are still functional? Because everyone I know with an iPhone has gone through at least three.

  58. easy to do by Revek · · Score: 1

    If you stop supporting you're products after a while. When they come out with a new phone the old ones start to develop slow downs and other crap.

  59. So just what is counted? by thogard · · Score: 1

    A friend liked to go to integrated circuit design events so he could point out that he developed one of the most common chips of all time.

    It was the AM/FM radio chip used in billions of devices. Does anyone know how many SATA connectors Foxconn has made?

  60. Selective Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congratulations to Apple for selling as many phones in 9 years cumulative as Android does every year!

  61. FUCK SLASHDOT FOR LIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The iPhone is distributed by large corporations to employees. One example is Salesforce.com, there are many others. These are behind the scenes bootybust contracts given because the homosexuals at Apple smile with twinkles in their eyes at faggots hired at other corporations.

    Nobody except the tech illiterate think the walled garden iPhone or walled garden Mac's are worth a fuck.

    Android is Linux and the phones are faster and they actually tell you the specs without having to x-ray them. There is also much more competition between devices, and you can even install custom ROM's. (Firmware, they are not actually ROM chips).

    The only problem with Android now is Google spying for the US government. But there is no fucking way you can pump Apple products with a straight face. That company is homosexual with homosexual mindset products. They absolutely can not even think straight.

    Mac OS X is similarly gay. Where FreeBSD would be like a solid roof on your home, impenetrable and sharp looking.. Mac OS X is like having your roof pink with Free Tibet and Green Day bumper stickers all over it... and made in China.. and undisclosed materials.. and to read the fucking installation papers you have to speak to a representative.

    Apple: Get mother fucking butt fucked. Again.

    1. Re:FUCK SLASHDOT FOR LIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their latest method of advertising is saying the FBI can't hack their phones. Apple is gay, so is their CEO Tom Cock.

  62. I don't think so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, Concrete surpasses the iPhone my many orders of magnitude as the most popular product of all time.

  63. It's more ubiquitous than sunlight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Proof that Steve Jobs was really Christ in disguise.

  64. duplicate post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was at least one other Slashdot post about the billion iPhone sales.
    https://apple.slashdot.org/story/16/07/27/2040256/one-billion-iphones-have-been-sold-apple-says
    The only difference was that it didn't include all of that crap about it being the best-selling product of all time. Coca Cola, for example, sells billions of Coke servings in much less time. Also, if you were to lump all of the Android devices, like they lump all of the iPhone devices, you would find that more than a paltry billion were sold.

  65. Re: Bible "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WAY over 5 billion by now...

    Although it is impossible to obtain exact figures, there is little doubt that the Bible is the worlds best-selling and most widely distributed book. A survey by the Bible Society concluded that around 2.5 billion copies were printed between 1815 and 1975, but more recent estimates put the number at more than 5 billion.

  66. iPhone vs Bible - 10 ways they look the same by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2, Funny

    So do Bible thumpers - and they've got a lot in common with Apple fanbois.

    • 1. The two groups live in reality distortion fields;
      2. They both act smugly superior;
      3. They both show the same behaviors as any other cult;
      4. They both have over a billion sold;
      5. They both end up costing a lot more to their average user than competing products (atheisim and android);
      6. They both eagerly await the next revelation.
      7. There's bugs in both - and the updates to "fix" them;
      8. They both claim better security; 9. They both claim to be a better value over the long term;
      10. They both have a messiah who rose from the dead.

    And for the bonus - eventually many outgrow their narrow view. :-)

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    1. Re: iPhone vs Bible - 10 ways they look the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's unfair. They are superior.

    2. Re:iPhone vs Bible - 10 ways they look the same by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      So do Bible thumpers - and they've got a lot in common with Apple fanbois.

      ...and you think that (other that #10, which is certainly not true anyway in the case of Steve Jobs (and likely not in the case of Jesus, either)) those "Points" do not describe Linux/Android Fanbois, too?

      Really? Seriously?

      You will argue about #5; but if you've had your identity stolen by one of the Googolplex of Malware-Infestations on Android, don't you think the TRUE Cost of Android COULD be far higher than a few (or even a few hundred) dollars difference in the cost of a Smartphone?

      No, of course not. Because you are one of those Linux/Android "fanbois" (fangirls?)

    3. Re:iPhone vs Bible - 10 ways they look the same by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The malware you speak of is produced by a 3rd party - and malware is also available for Apple products.

      No, of course not. Because you are one of those Linux/Android "fanbois" (fangirls?)

      At this point I'm not a fan of any one operating system. Not Windows, not BSD derivatives, not Linux. Realistically, they all suck - just at different things in different ways. Same as more and more the whole Internet has become one massive suckage. We would probably have been better off without it.

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    4. Re:iPhone vs Bible - 10 ways they look the same by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      When I've read the summary, I've thought the same thing: Somehow bibles are missing. Its impossible to imagine that the lord of the rings has more copies than there are bibles, or examples of the quran.

    5. Re: iPhone vs Bible - 10 ways they look the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not true... to be atheist, costs much more!!! anyway... I'm atheist and apple is not my tech religion. but I must say that all of you criticizing apple for what they have done are simply idiots. You would still be at a precambrian age with your crappie "big brother" android...and always remember... google is evil...
      have fun...

    6. Re: iPhone vs Bible - 10 ways they look the same by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Why does being an atheist cost more? It costs less in free time wasted sitting in church, less money in terms of tithes and donations, and less time trying to defend a belief in something that has no proof.

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    7. Re: iPhone vs Bible - 10 ways they look the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But there's Slashdot!!! Oh... wait... I see your point.

    8. Re:iPhone vs Bible - 10 ways they look the same by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Sales of the Bible are hard to quantify in the same way. There are many translations of the Bible, so at the very least you'd have to limit yourself to one translation to really be able to consider it a single product. (The King James is probably the most popular.) It is also published in many editions by many publishers, so getting an accurate count would be challenging. There are editions with annotations, commentary, and so forth; are those really the same product? And the Bible has been on the market for a LONG time; sales figures for the distant past are unlikely to be available.

      It would be interesting to see how the total sales of King James Bibles would compare to the sales of Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter, if it were possible to come up with an accurate number.

      I don't know enough about the Quran to say whether multiple versions exist, or what a comparable single product would be.

  67. so the Bible doesn't count? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I seem to recall that it's been purchased more than a few billion times, but then again what is the word of God compared to Steve Job's gadget.

  68. Genericproduct by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many iphones have been sold vs those basic casio watches that are fucking everywhere!

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  69. Re: Bible "most popualar" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has tone used. Manufacturing and dumping doesn't count.

  70. The Bible takes the Crown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually the best selling book of all time is the Bible, it has sold far more than a billion copies. So it easily overtakes the iPhone.
    Actually there have probably been more than a billion toothpicks sold as well, so I'm not sure what the comparison is here.

  71. Coca-Cola by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next question?

  72. Now where did I leave.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that fart snifter?

  73. Peculiar logic by zarmanto · · Score: 1

    This article -- while an interesting opinion piece -- is clearly missing some key pieces in the argument it tries to make, which is largely why so many people are attempting to offer their own contrasting figures both here on /. and on the original article thread. So here's one more example, to add to the collection: The Bible is the best selling book in the world, at somewhere over 5 billion copies... but that's a sales figure which spans back over two centuries. So where's the time factor, in this analysis of Apple's iPhone sales? Clearly, the author needed to run this piece past a few friends at the very minimum, before running with it. (Actually, I think professional editorial staffers are what's missing from most articles, these days -- but perhaps that's a soapbox for another time.)

    Full disclosure: I own multiple iPhones, multiple Macs... and multiple Bibles.

  74. The first and best is probably also the most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first product sold from "the oldest profession" I am guessing is the product that has been sold the most times in history. It comes in many colors and you can buy it lease it or establish use based licensing but it is still the same product. Come to think of it this is slashdot so I can see how others here might not have experience with this product and might not agree.

    1. Re:The first and best is probably also the most by Cederic · · Score: 1

      After a billion 'sales' she's going to be a bit haggard.

  75. Broken beyond recognition by DrYak · · Score: 1

    TL;DR: It's a combination of the state of degradation of a (non durable) smartphone forcing you to upgrade, and the manufacturer's marketing department spending as much resources as possible and doing any trick they can think of to persuade you that upgrading is the best idea ever.

    The phone itself forces you.
    Once the screen is broken and un-readable.
    Or the phone is bent beyond it's breaking point... ...etc...

    Phone are very common use objects. They are submitted to tons of abuse simply because of usage pattern.
    Smartphone which pack even more functionnality (internet acces, mail/chat, etc.) are even more used and thus abused.

    But smartphone maker tend to chose different set of equilibrium points and compromises.
    Aesthetic value (the new one is 0.4mm thinner than the previous one and 0.2mm thinner than the competition !) over durability (plastic is considered unfashionnable although depending on the composition it can better withstand some mecanical stress).
    Eye candy (more CPU core, bigger GPU) over battery life, etc.

    Thus smartphone tend to degrade very quickly.

    And once you go to the Apple shop to ask for (over expensive) repairs, clerks are trained to point at how tiny is the difference in price with the then newer model.

    Yes, nobody forces you to change smartphones and you could still use an outdated iPhone 1 if you would.
    (though the question remains if there are enough OTA update to the radio firmware to remain compatible with the network).

    But *very few* people actually, and most of them basically do because they don't have much choice.

    Most of the other people will have abused their phone beyond repair (or more precisely to the point where the extremely overcharged repair price doesn't look that cheap compared to upgrading to a new model).
    The remaining poeple will have succumbed to the sirens of marketing department and bought a new one because its sounds so much cooler(*) that the previous one. And we all know how much Apple's marketing department is better than everyone else's..

    (*: though you have to concede that, as of lately, we seem to have reached the "peak smartphone" and sells are getting a little bit lower, as smartphone have become good enough, and marketers have problems finding new reasons for people to replace their old non-broken phones).

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    1. Re: Broken beyond recognition by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      If I abused my car and had accidents, I would also have to replace my car. The first gen iPhone supports 2G which is still supported by AT&T until next year.

      https://www.business.att.com/content/other/2G-Sunset-FAQ_2016.pdf

      The cost of a new iPhone ranges from $399 to $999. There is no repair that is only a little cheaper than an iPhone if you choose to keep it.

    2. Re:Broken beyond recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm on about my 45th month with my iPhone 5. Replaced the screen (myself) twice and the battery once, for a total of about 1/3 the price of a new (no contract) phone.

      Thinking about getting an iPhone 7 in a few months and giving my 5 to my daughter.

      At no time have I felt the need to upgrade.

  76. Transistor and Android by aglider · · Score: 1

    Transistor: the best selling discrete electronic component: billions of billions of units
    Android: the best "selling" operating system: whatever is more than iPhones.

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  77. Bic Mac disagrees... by ewhenn · · Score: 1

    The Big Mac disagrees....

    McDonald's estimates 550 million Big Macs are sold each year in the U.S. alone.

    Since the "iPhone" as an entire product line has been in existence the Big Mac as a single product has outsold it 5:1

  78. Does this guy even think? by Zargg · · Score: 1

    Somehow not...
    Bread?
    Beer?
    Wine?
    Wheels?
    Bananas?
    Oranges?
    Water?
    Cigarettes?
    Bullets?
    Swords?
    Lumber?
    Paper?
    Bibles?
    Corn?
    Potatoes?
    Pretty much anything that existed before this guy was alive?

    1. Re:Does this guy even think? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Most of what you list is consumables, and it's reasonable to compare iPhones to durable goods (although that's not what TFS said). Swords come in different categories, and I'm by no means sure that a billion of them have been made. I don't know how many wheels have been sold as wheels, although obviously a great many have been sold as part of vehicles. Don't count on great numbers in things that historically generally went with the middle to upper classes. The Bible seems to me to be about as specific as the iPhone, and unless you divide Bibles up by publishers there's been several times more of them sold than the iPhone.

      The iPhone is indeed a great product that changed its industry, and it's sold in very large numbers, but let's not get carried away here.

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  79. worst blog post of all times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    quite clearly the author doesn't have a clue

  80. Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn, Harry Potter outsold Lord of the Rings 3:1?

    No wonder we are fucked.

  81. how many copies of Windows have been sold by gonar · · Score: 1

    since Windows 1? that is an equivalent metric to how many of all versions of the iPhone.

    and I would bet a lot more than 1 billion Windows licenses have been sold.

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    1. Re: how many copies of Windows have been sold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Nokia still holds the record on most units sold for a single cellphone model with 1100 and 1110 both selling 250 million units each. The iPhone 6S is completely different product compared to the 2007 original...

  82. From the ass it comes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " It is, quite simply, the best-selling product of all time. It is that because it is so much more than a product. It is an enabler for change. It unleashed forces which we are barely able to perceive, let alone control. It changed the world because it changed us."

    "Red,I do believe you are talking out of your ass."

  83. Not even close by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    The most popular product was, and continues to be... well, I can't really say here except to say it is intimately linked to the world's oldest profession.

  84. WTF?!? by sootman · · Score: 1

    Car model: VW Beetle
    Car brand: Toyota Corolla

    WTF? In both cases, there is a model (Beetle, Corolla) and brand (VW, Toyota).

    And everyone always forgets about trucks. Ford had sold 28 million F150s as of eleven years ago.
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news...
    They sell a couple million per year. Probably well over 40 million by now, maybe close to 50.

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  85. It changed us? by Kinwolf · · Score: 1

    What about those who don't even own one?(and never will) Are we "changed" too? And it's stupid to combine all the iPhones versions into one statistic. If we do that, I'm pretty sure every journal sold more than 1 billions editions of their papers over time.

  86. golf clap by magsol · · Score: 1

    *twirls finger and whistles*

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  87. Umm by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    How many Match books ? How many pairs of Levi's have been sold ? How many bottles of coke ? How many Big Mac's ?
    This is an fluff piece that should be treated like the disguised ad that it is.

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  88. Yet another shitpost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /. has really become worthless lately. Could we get rid of these incompetent idiots like Manishs, please? Maybe then /. can be a good site again.

  89. Actual Apples by OEasygoDiodoB · · Score: 1

    The world produced 76,378,700 tonnes of apples last year. There's certainly more than 2000 apples/tonne, therefore you're looking at much more than 150 billion apples in one year. Sure, not all of those produced were sold, but even if 1/10 are, they still handily beat any and all smartphones.

  90. Missingh Something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Umm the Bic both lighter and pen crushes those numbers.

  91. Not for Everyone. by Braintrust · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Call me a Luddite, and I respond that I've been using computers for hours every day since 1979.

    I know hardware, I know code.

    I will never own a smartphone.

    Why, you ask? (or most probably don't)

    I made an observation a few years ago that up until the early 90s, I would use computers to get away from people for a few hours. Now when I want to get away from people, I stop using them for a few hours.

    The social media hivemind empowered by the smartphone is not for everybody.

    Every evening I sit on my porch with my 16-year-old cat and watch people out walking their dogs or taking an evening stroll. It's astonishing how many people do so with their nose attached to a smartphone. Furthermore, it's really really sad to see.

    Smartphones have made it too easy to be super-stimulated. I know enough about computers and enough about addiction to know when to abstain from certain behavior.

    I know their utility, and having that much computing power in your pocket is certainly a dream I've held since I was very young, but how it's been promoted and indoctrinated and utilized by society at large is quite disconcerting from a certain point-of-view.

    Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook, Twitter, and smartphones... it's like the worst version of advanced inter-connectivity from classic science-fiction has come to pass. /rant off

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    1. Re:Not for Everyone. by Gussington · · Score: 1

      I made an observation a few years ago that up until the early 90s, I would use computers to get away from people for a few hours. Now when I want to get away from people, I stop using them for a few hours.

      The social media hivemind empowered by the smartphone is not for everybody.

      Every evening I sit on my porch with my 16-year-old cat and watch people out walking their dogs or taking an evening stroll. It's astonishing how many people do so with their nose attached to a smartphone. Furthermore, it's really really sad to see.

      You know you can buy a phone and use however you want to? I don't use any any of the social media crap, and I'm not a fan of using it as a boredom buster. It's a tool, like any other that has a place, and has value when required.

    2. Re:Not for Everyone. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I see that not having a smartphone is generating at least as much smugness as having a latest-model iPhone.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  92. Thanks for the lulz swishdash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Always hilarious watching butthurt fandroids justify their shitty platform.

  93. The Pen is Mightier than the Sword by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Those are consumables. If you only look at durable goods, and you multiply the number manufactured by the useful lifetime, then I nominate the AK-47.

    You are forgetting the oft used quote about the pen being mightier than the sword. This is not really talking about the pen itself - although if this statistic is accurate a Bic Crystal ball point pen would only need to have a useful lifetime of 22 days to beat the AK47 if we assume an average lifetime of 60 years and even without taking into account subsequent sales since 2005.

    However the quote it really referring to what the pen writes: books. If we take the best selling example, the Bible, then not only has this book alone sold ~5 billion copies (+/-1 billion depending on whom you believe) the oldest of which is almost 1,700 years old. Other religious texts such as the Qu'ran similarly have wide circulations and are older. So even with your criterion for age times circulation these will have the AK47 completely beaten.

  94. I dont think so by drolli · · Score: 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Just adding 4-5 Models of the Nokia dumbphones is enough to beat the numbers.

  95. Mac Zealot Article... snore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow this article reads like it was written by the #1 Mac Zealot of all time. The only thing the iphone was "best" at , was its marketing strategy, i.e making morons believe their product was significantly better than the competition (hint : it wasnt), and that it was some sort of status symbol (hint: its not).

  96. Most popular products (open class) by LeadSongDog · · Score: 1

    Would it be trash bags? Not even close. Sheets of toilet paper? No, too anthropocentric. Ant eggs? No, too terrestrial-centric. Neutrons? No, but getting warmer....

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  97. Frisbees beat iphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Frisbees: maybe about 100 million a year counting all brands, for > 30 years.

  98. Gideon donated Bibles: 2 billion plus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Gideons, a missionary organization, have given away over 2 BILLION Bibles over the past century.

  99. iPhone = any smartphone by apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are the sales of all mobile phones ever sold combined for Sony/Samsung/LG/whathaveyou?

  100. nitpickers may leave the room now ... by swell · · Score: 1

    While mindless nitpickers fuss over numbers and statistics, the important message is overlooked. Here it is again in case you never got past the stupid headline:

    "It is an enabler for change. It unleashed forces which we are barely able to perceive, let alone control. It changed the world because it changed us. And it did all that in less than nine years."

    There are few developments that compare. Ford's affordable automobile. Fire. Wheel. The personal computer and the internet. Gene sequencing and Crispr...

    In my life, I felt that the Norelco (Phillips) CarryCorder was a major breakthrough (it allowed me to 'pirate' music from the radio). The ancient Norelco shaver still hasn't been improved upon, which is disappointing. The1969 Honda 750 motorcycle blew me away, although they had made many exotic machines before this was a breakthrough in speed, reliability and beauty for ordinary consumers.

    You and I have different criteria for major game changing developments, but don't deny the impact of the first user friendly smartphone.

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  101. It's a dirty job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone know how many rolls of toilet paper Charmin has sold? I know many people who have purchased every model of iPhone, but none who have used fewer rolls of TP since they were both on the market. Makes me think that there's at least one product that is more popular...

  102. Lego by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rubik's Cube? I think not.

  103. Lego.. by thesupraman · · Score: 1

    Lego sell over 200 million lego *sets* a year, lego has been very popular for a long time, and is not really consumable.

    But, of course this is complete bs, usual Apple marketing stuff. If they would stick to product development it would be a good idea.

  104. Washing machine by Smiddi · · Score: 1

    I would expect that more washing machines have been sold since their invention

  105. uhm rolls of toilet paper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure those are in rather high digits. News papers. Nails, staples.

  106. Yea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On ave how many iphone does each person buy? This says more of how well Apple does in getting people to keep buying new phones for minor upgrade every year. Wonder why people are in poverty? this is one small reason. I have used 2 cheap phones in the last 10 years, I think that saved me over $1000 compared to people who upgrade yearly.

  107. Simply Amazing... by haedus · · Score: 0

    As quoted in the article...
    "It is that because it is so much more than a product. It is an enabler for change. It unleashed forces which we are barely able to perceive, let alone control. It changed the world because it changed us.

    And it did all that in less than nine years. One has to wonder what it will enable in the next nine.
    "

    This is brand loyalty at it's best. Absolute pure and serious conditioned brainwashing...

    The very nature of a computer is a device capable of storing, retrieving, copying, altering, and transmitting data. It's that simple and it's been around for a long time. Sure it has gotten smaller and smaller, but that's it.

    The iphone is not a phone. It's a computer capable of cellular telephony.

    It's very very sad to hear words like that, knowing what apple has done to the computer...

    You are damn right it has enabled change... It has created computers that are virtually only useful within the apple ecosystem. It has unleashed the forces of massive manipulation and exploitation of the ignorance of it's users to maximize profits, and yes, there is very little control for the user of an iphone or ianything...

    It changed the world into something that honors men like Steve Jobs who's only real contribution to humanity is products that are so sought after they are often stolen or traded like actual currency, all the while locking it's 'victim's into an ecosystem that caters only to itself...

    The Apple ecosystem is a cult, pure and simple...

    Some of the hardware is nice (those keyboards are pretty slick), but other than that... I prefer to have the freedom to use an actual COMPUTER... Rather than a jailed device that 'permits' me to do certain operations from time to time...

    It's a god damn computer sold by masters of manipulation and exploitation that allows you to make calls and run software that runs you...

  108. Apple wankathon? by JohnStock · · Score: 1

    What's with the constant Apple wankathon that's been taking place on /. over the last 6 months?

  109. C64 by sad_ · · Score: 1

    Best selling computer my ass, that honour belongs to another one.

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  110. Upside potential: The Skills of Xanadu by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    1956 Sturgeon story about mobile/wearable computing's potential that inspired Ted Nelson and others leading to the web and so the iPhone: https://archive.org/stream/gal...
    https://archive.org/details/pr...

    Let's hope the upside is realized -- not a surveillance/control downside.
    http://pcast.ideascale.com/a/d...

    Still trying to help when I can -- just so little time:
    https://github.com/pdfernhout/...

    Hope others can carry things forward in their won way -- and many are! :-)

    Half-way through reading the "The Jennifer Project" new sci-fi novel by Larry Enright, which almost seems like a Skills of Xanadu remake in some ways. Nor sure how it ends. :-)
    https://www.amazon.com/Jennife...

    Hopefully not the same as "With Folded Hands". :-(
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  111. This probaby because I'm on my 5th or so iPhone by travisbean · · Score: 1

    I'm still on my first (used) car. My stereo from 1993 still works fine. I've bought 3 "video screens" over a much longer period as well. Count most of those for my wife as well. Between us we've probably had a dozen iphones.... so iPhone=consumable

  112. Toothbrush by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Really.

  113. Hmmm by MercTech · · Score: 1

    I have to wonder how many of those phones "sold" were actually replacements after they bricked themselves and could not be fixed?
        I actually wrote off the iPhone after I was told the SIM card was not changeable and you were locked into using it on the provider you purchased it for. This was from the guys at the Apple Store and not internet rumor. The proprietary, money bilking, you don't own your equipment, business model of Apple has rankled since the Apple IIe days. I'm sure the iPhone works nicely as long as you only do things that Apple has approved and don't experiment with your own phone.
            Apple hit things spot on with the iPod classic. Nothing else Apple makes has appeared, to me, to be worth the higher price than you can get other tech for.

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