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Bill Gates's Net Worth Hits $90 Billion (bloomberg.com)

schwit1 quotes a report from Bloomberg: The net worth of the world's richest person Bill Gates hit $90 billion on Friday, fueled by gains in public holdings including Canadian National Railway Company and Ecolab Inc. Gates's fortune is now $13.5 billion bigger than that of the world's second-wealthiest person, Spanish retail mogul Amancio Ortega, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. At $90 billion, the Microsoft Corp. co-founder's net worth is equal to 0.5 percent of U.S. GDP. Less than two weeks ago, Bill Gates topped Forbes' "100 Richest Tech Billionaires In The World 2016" (Warning: may be paywalled) list with an estimated fortune of $78 billion.

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  1. who cares, he doesn't share unless you run Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    even his Foundation requires Windows which should be a conflict of interest.

  2. Re:All I care about is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why can you make heads or tales of them? Did you read Hillarys or Obamas? Or is it just an excuse for you to be mad at Trump?

    You should be more mad at what is going on there. BillG got his buddy WarrenB to get Obama to basically nuke their biggest competitor from orbit and make it look like they were doing a good thing. WarrenB gave BillG a heads up in what to get into. Between the two of them they have locked up about 80% of the rail shipping market in America.

  3. Re:All I care about is: by EEPROMS · · Score: 0

    how about we do a deal, Hillary releases the missing emails and Trump shows you his tax returns.

  4. Yey for worlds richest man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one gives a shit.

    1. Re:Yey for worlds richest man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      World's richest criminal.

    2. Re:Yey for worlds richest man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't call him a criminal but his foundation is partly responsible for hundreds or possibly thousands of deaths.

    3. Re:Yey for worlds richest man by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      I would.

      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      * http://skeptics.stackexchange....

      Anyone only needs to study the history of MS to see how they -effectively- drove tech company after company out of business.

      Stac Electronics, Borland, etc.

    4. Re:Yey for worlds richest man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calm down and have a shot of Tres Comas.

    5. Re: Yey for worlds richest man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should hate the game not the players. American capitalism has seen much worse in the past 200-300 years than Gates. Microsoft is actually a rather decent company in the end. I'd be much more worried about the startups of our latest ongoing IT bubble. Those guys want nothing more than money and power.

    6. Re: Yey for worlds richest man by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You should hate the game not the players.

      The game can't go one without the players. The most powerful players have paid to have the rules changed. You can't hate the game without hating the players.

      American capitalism has seen much worse in the past 200-300 years than Gates.

      Let me just stroll up and give you a stab wound on the premise that it's better than being shot in the face.

      Microsoft is actually a rather decent company in the end.

      The DoJ said differently. They said it abused its monopoly position in basically every way possible.

      I'd be much more worried about the startups of our latest ongoing IT bubble.

      I'm more concerned about large, entrenched companies proven in court to be harmful.

      Those guys want nothing more than money and power.

      And you think BG is a nice guy? What a moron you are.

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    7. Re:Yey for worlds richest man by Alomex · · Score: 1

      Driving your competitors out of business is not a crime.

      I followed MS quite closely and they beat many companies fair and square in the market place. Their first questionable kill was when they built incompatibility directed to DRDOS. This seems to have marked the beginning of a transition on how MS operates, not long after they did STAC and many other questionable deals in which they were using their size to get an advantageous position rather than technical quality.

    8. Re:Yey for worlds richest man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody likes a poor thief.

    9. Re:Yey for worlds richest man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was what foundations were for, lets just ask the Clintons, or second thought maybe that isn't the best idea.

    10. Re:Yey for worlds richest man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How so?

  5. Nope, no wealth inequality here by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    none whatsoever.

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    1. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by iggymanz · · Score: 0, Troll

      wealth equality? doesn't that mean taking my money and giving to some dumb lazy bum? I'll take wealth inequality thanks very much...

    2. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      There is wealth inequality but it roughly correlates to an effort and risk-tolerance inequality, outside of the typical exceptions like inherited wealth and some lucky hedge fundies.

    3. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by JustNiz · · Score: 0

      Sorry but there's no way one person should be allowed to acquire so much personal wealth that in the list of the worlds 191 countries by GDP, he individually is the 68th richest.

      http://statisticstimes.com/eco...

    4. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why? Because you say so? Because you haven't been smart/lucky/whatever enough to get such a fortune?

      Regardless of how you feel about the guy he earned his money. He didn't have daddy give him a few million to get started (like Trump did), nor have daddy bail him out to protect him from his own incompetence (like both Bush and Trump had done).

      Gates is the one who came up with the idea, ran with it, invested his money (initially) and created Microsoft. He then used his money to take on more risk for which he has been handsomely rewarded.

      He is literally the spitting image of the American dream: a self-made man (or woman). It doesn't get much better than that.

      That he's not going to pass it on to his children but will give his fortune away when he dies says much about the man.

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    5. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      The thing is, that if you have money, and you manage it properly, it will just grow. How much wealth is somebody allowed to accumulate? 5 million? 50 million? 500 million? 5 billion? 50 billion. Once you reach that first number, you can make a lot more money simply by making smart investments with your money.

      Bill Gates made his money because he owned a lot of stock in a company that started out small and became very big. Unless you seize the stocks that he has, there isn't really much of a way to take that wealth from him. You can tax the sale of those stocks, but that means fewer people will invest because they are unable to realize any gains from investing the money. Do we want to dis-incentivize people from creating the next Microsoft, or the next Amazon, or the next Apple? The fact that you can become ultra rich creates an incentive to build these large companies up from the ground, creating new products, and creating new jobs for the rest of the people.

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    6. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by somenickname · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry but there's no way one person should be allowed to acquire so much personal wealth that in the list of the worlds 191 countries by GDP, he individually is the 68th richest.

      http://statisticstimes.com/eco...

      Using the word "allowed" kind of implies that there should be laws against becoming rich. That's a terrible idea. The real issue is that society has become so tilted in the favor of the rich that individual humans have more wealth than many countries. Don't hate the ultra-rich person, hate the world that created them.

    7. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      why? apart from you being jealous what possible reason is there to impose an artificial limit on what someone is allowed to earn through smart investments? and how would you possibly prevent it? Are you going to start confiscating assets when he hits a certain level?

    8. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      doesn't that mean taking my money and giving to some dumb lazy bum?

      This is exactly the sort of belief that keeps society locked into the status quo. If you redistributed wealth as most people agreed as fair, then sure, lazy bums would get more money. So would every single blue and pink collar worker, most managers, and basically everyone who isn't a rockstar or fortune 500 executive. You have no idea how badly you're being fucked and yet you continue to cheer for it. Why?

    9. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...no way one person should be allowed...

      Careful now! Those are some dangerous words there. Don't hate the player; hate the game. Come election time, we will be changing the game. That's for damn sure!

    10. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not exactly. I remember reading somewhere Melinda and BillyG are going to give away 99% of their fortune. While on the surface it seems like they aren't leaving much to their kids, 1% of $90BIL is still $900MIL. Not too shabby.

    11. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Do we want to dis-incentivize people from creating the next Microsoft

      Yes, of course. I wish he hadn't created the first one!

    12. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Apparently, he can't give it away fast enough. That's a problem with philanthropic efforts, if the Gates foundation had a goal to utilize $45B in the next 15 years, it would take a massive operation to administer that - average $3B per year, average 1 FTE overseeing each 10 million dollars per year project, that's full time employment for 300 people for the next 15 years.

    13. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      http://www.gatesfoundation.org...

      Currently giving away ~$4B / year against a ~$40B endowment, with 1376 employees (no clear statement of employee commitment hours per year).

    14. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      . He didn't have daddy give him a few million to get started

      No, just be on the board of IBM to help him get MS DOS on literally every machine. And his dad was worth millions, so getting some startup cash wasn't impossible.

      That said, he is giving away a lot of his cash.

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    15. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He didn't have daddy give him a few million to get started

      Hahaha...maybe you should look into how his mommy helped him start Microsoft.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Maxwell_Gates

    16. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Does anyone really think that if Bill Gates had been told he could never have been worth more than $10 billion, he would have somehow not created Microsoft?

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    17. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This could be more true than you think.

      Think 1% interest is 900 million dollars. That's just 1%. I am fairly sure his financial guy can do better than 1%.

    18. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do we want to dis-incentivize people from creating the next Microsoft, or the next Amazon, or the next Apple? The fact that you can become ultra rich creates an incentive to build these large companies up from the ground, creating new products, and creating new jobs for the rest of the people.

      The top tax rate was 70% back when Microsoft and Apple were formed.

    19. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not give your money away, just fucking retire when appropriate, so we can all share in what should be an advanced civilisation.

      The average professional-class Terran - a professional from China, Brazil, India, Colombia, Iran - would need to work upwards of 12-15 million years to earn that much.

      It's disgusting.

    20. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by no-body · · Score: 2

      It doesn't get much better than that.

      hmmm.....
      Weird - no software patents, skalp CP/M and ...

      http://forwardthinking.pcmag.c...
      After a couple of years then...

      In his 43-page conclusions of law, Judge Jackson's final judgment on the evidence, the judge wrote that ''the court concludes that Microsoft maintained its monopoly power by anticompetitive means and attempted to monopolize the Web browser market,'' as well as ''unlawfully tying its Web browser to its operating system'' -- all in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.

      (http://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/04/business/us-vs-microsoft-overview-us-judge-says-microsoft-violated-antitrust-laws-with.html?pagewanted=all)

      You need to watch His court depositions, what a hero!

      Having control over OS and application software to control and monopolize a market may have been wrong i. e. unlawful, but in the United States, where nothing is impossible, it just wen through after the proven principle "it cannot be what may not be".

    21. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      o getting some startup cash wasn't impossible.

      I don't even have a fucking job and banks are constantly trying to give me money. Yesterday, one of my banks sent me a letter saying that I had $50k available as credit (I didn't even apply for it). Last year out of curiosity, I went to another bank to see how much I could get and it was around $160k, WTF? Getting startup cash does not seem that difficult. I've started business with less than $5k.

    22. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Money is cheap now. But, yes, Steve Jobs and Woz didn't have millionaire parents. But my comment was in relation to Trump (who got a lot of start up capital/connections/cosigning from his dad.) I was just pointing out that Gates could get a lot of those same boosts.

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    23. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Where would Tesla, SpaceX, SolarCity, hyperloop, etc. be if Musk was only allowed to keep his fair share of $300k after selling PayPal? Do you think that someone else would have done those startups with the money?

    24. Re: Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which, literally, nobody paid. Ever.

    25. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Solandri · · Score: 1

      The real issue is that society has become so tilted in the favor of the rich

      A big part of this (in the U.S.) is the capital gains tax. And no, not in the way you think.

      Yeah the long-term capital gains tax is 15%, which is lower than many tax brackets. But those tax brackets are graduated, meaning you can be in the 25% or 28% tax bracket and still be paying less than 15% overall. In fact after accounting for average deductions and exemptions, the threshold at which the average American reaches a 15% tax rate is somewhere in the neighborhood of $200,000/yr gross income (column T). When William Buffett said his secretary paid more than 15% income tax, that was because he pays his secretary really, really well.

      The average effective income tax rate for someone making $100,000/yr (28% bracket) is less than 10%. The average effective income tax rate for someone making $40,000/yr (25% bracket) is less than 7%.

      So the capital gains tax is too low for rich folks. But it's also too high (way too high) for low, middle, and lower-upper income folks. This means the tax discourages these people from investing, which is the best long-term way to make money as demonstrated over and over by wealthy people like Gates. Yes it should be increased for higher income brackets. But it'd be more helpful to lower or eliminate it entirely at lower income brackets and thereby encourage them to invest.

    26. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      He might very well have created Microsoft, then abandoned it when the maximum he could get from it was approaching $10 billion.

      Without Microsoft having continued so far, computing would be very different today. If Microsoft had stagnated (Anti-Microsoft jokes elsewhere, please) with Windows 95, and left computing to newer upstarts, I expect we wouldn't have anywhere near the compatibility and interoperability we have today. Even among non-Microsoft OSes, interoperability is a mandatory feature. In contrast, I'm reminded of the pre-Windows days where particular software was written for a particular system, and that was it. Now, we have OpenOffice, Wine, and Samba, all from different projects united in the goal of slaying the Microsoft beast.

      Microsoft is certainly no longer the only option, but computing environments are all still affected by Microsoft's legacy. I detest Microsoft's monopoly as much as anybody, but I think the cohesion that came out of it is a good thing, overall.

      Back to the point, that's one of the philosophies of capitalism: The more people work (economically, meaning an investment of labor, capital, or advice), the more they should make. Artificially limiting the return on investment disincentivizes the amount of work they will do, which in turn reduces the efficiency of the economy. Limiting Gates' return on his Microsoft investment would very likely have also limited how much he invested in Microsoft, and in effect also limited what Microsoft could contribute to the economy. Sure, Gates would be less wealthy... but so would most others who have been employed by the company.

      This assumes, of course, that Gates wouldn't have just continued investing anyway. He seems like he's trying to be a nice guy, outside of business, so perhaps he would have just let Microsoft keep growing, regardless of its return. That's a fundamental difference between capitalism and communism: Communism assumes that all people are good-hearted helpful folks contributing to the welfare of society, and capitalism assumes that everyone is a greedy selfish individual who won't do anything without getting paid. Neither assumption is wholly correct, which is why thought experiments like this one are rather useless at predicting a person's behavior.

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    27. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such horseshit speculation.

      Jack Sams, the guy from IBM who was responsible for getting the OS, says himself that they went to Microsoft because of their BASIC and CP/M card products.

      Later when someone told Opel that Microsoft was providing the OS, he reportedly asked, "isn't that Mary Gates's son's company?"

    28. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > That said, he is giving away a lot of his cash.

      He's not doing very well at that, clearly.

    29. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the GP link, the wealth is correlated with the education level. In a country where the education is so expensive, it is not about effort or risk tolerance. It is about the money of your parents for your education.

      To be able to take a risk, you should have something to lose. Poor have nothing to lose, they are already crippled by debt. They have no time to produce the effort to study, they have first to work to pay for food and housing. Sometimes 2-3 jobs.

    30. Re: Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another dumb person who thinks that by working you're supposed to get rich. Well you're not, you are only supposed to make a living and to be able to somehow cover for your family. You get rich by inventing, investing and generally doing something greater than just having a simple dayjob.

    31. Re: Nope, no wealth inequality here by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      The OP brought up Trump. The OP said Gates was better than Trump because he didn't have Daddy's money. My response to that (that he in fact did) is what you're responding to.

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    32. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also because of the fact that people with less money do not sit on that money but are forced to spend it on essentials, the economy as a whole would increase more if you spread the money around. If you spread that money around more people would benefit,even people at the top, they may have a smaller slice of the pie, but the pie would get larger.

    33. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using the word "allowed" kind of implies that there should be laws against becoming rich. That's a terrible idea. The real issue is that society has become so tilted in the favor of the rich that individual humans have more wealth than many countries. Don't hate the ultra-rich person, hate the world that created them.

      In fact, I hate you !

    34. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But isn't he kinda like the exception that proves the rule and the reason there's so much interest(hype/fanboys/haters etc) surrrounding him?
      Who in the top 100 makes similar types of investments that does not revolve around just securing more money safely?

    35. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by azrael29a · · Score: 1, Informative

      The problem with socialists is that they are quickly running out of someone else's money. If you like giving money to the poor, start with your own money, and see what it's like to support lazy bums that just want to freeload on the work of others.

    36. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's a numbers game
      even if it's only 1 out of a 100 billionaires that makes those types of investments
      that's still 1 more then if there where no billionaires

    37. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wealth equality? doesn't that mean taking my money and giving to some dumb lazy bum? I'll take wealth inequality thanks very much...

      Per the IRS, to be in the One Percent, you had to have a net worth of $1.5M. Also per the IRS, there are only 1,555,000 individuals in the US who qualified as such. I'm guessing you're not one of those (and the odds are against is, statistically speaking (1.5 in 330)).

      So don't worry, you'll probably be getting more money in your pocket if things are adjusted.

      * http://www.joshuakennon.com/how-much-money-does-it-take-to-be-in-the-top-1-of-wealth-and-net-worth-in-the-united-states/

      And when most people talk about redistribution, they're not talking about everyone getting the exact same number, just getting the extremes. Generally I think a health society has a GINI coefficient of about 0.30:

      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient

    38. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by stinerman · · Score: 2

      That will be happening shortly. We're either getting a UBI or the people who are unemployable are going to have a lot of free time to break into people's houses and take what they need to live.

      I pay a decent amount in federal income taxes. I wish more went to lazy bums.

    39. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd rather my money went to lazy bums, rather than selfish cunts. I don't really see what's wrong with being a lazy bum - it doesn't actually do anyone any harm, especially since there isn't actually enough meaningful labour for everyone to do. Selfish and greedy cunts on the other hand are usually the first to take things for themselves and leave others without. Mine, mine, mine.

      Each to there own though, eh?

    40. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That said, he is giving away a lot of his cash.

      Bill Gates is not giving away money. He is spending it. He claims to be spending it on humanitarian aid, but he really isn't. He's spending it to disrupt education, he's spending it to spread strong IP law. He's spending it, ironically, to make more of it; the foundation is invested in profitable businesses which are literally killing people . After that story broke the foundation announced that it would review the ethics of its investments, then un-announced that (took the announcement down from their PR page) and put up a new announcement saying that they wouldn't do that because it would be hard. The Gates Foundation is first and foremost a tax dodge, and second a way to get strong IP protection in developing nations for Big Pharma (in which Gates is massively personally invested.)

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    41. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Without Microsoft having continued so far, computing would be very different today.

      Yes, it would be literally years farther forward ahead, which is what the DoJ found when they found them guilty of abusing their monopoly position — right before Ashcroft (under Bush) decided that they would not even get a handslap for it.

      If Microsoft had stagnated (Anti-Microsoft jokes elsewhere, please) with Windows 95, and left computing to newer upstarts, I expect we wouldn't have anywhere near the compatibility and interoperability we have today.

      What? You are clearly clinically insane. Microsoft has always been the enemy of compatibility and interoperability. They create their own garbage protocols and APIs when the industry already has protocols that do the same thing. They buy out companies making cross-platform software and terminate or deprecate the non-windows versions.

      Even among non-Microsoft OSes, interoperability is a mandatory feature.

      If only you knew what "Open" meant. Hint: It has nothing to do with the OSI. Openness was a central feature of Unix since time was time. It meant documented (often with source access) and thus interoperable. Microsoft is the odd man out here. Source access is extremely limited; only governments have complete source trees.

      In contrast, I'm reminded of the pre-Windows days where particular software was written for a particular system, and that was it.

      Less Windows software is cross-platform than software for any other platform except perhaps the Macintosh. Another central feature of Unix is portability. It's also a central feature of C. But Microsoft creates their own specifically non-interoperable garbage APIs to the detriment of all, like Direct3D.

      Now, we have OpenOffice, Wine, and Samba, all from different projects united in the goal of slaying the Microsoft beast.

      Yes, those are all projects which exist only because Microsoft is hostile to compatibility and interoperability. You don't even understand your own argument.

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    42. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by WhiplashII · · Score: 2

      No, the real problem with socialism is not the harm it does to the economy due to the direct action of taking money from savers and giving it to spenders. That is bad enough, but the true problem is that those transfers due terrible things to the human psyche:

      http://econlog.econlib.org/arc...

      If you change the reward structure of society and make it random, moral behavior stops. If you take from workers and give to non-workers, not only do people stop working they also start stealing, raping, and killing at higher rates.

      Socialism is the death knell of human societies.

      On a side note, the intuition that transferring money from the rich (or savers) to the poor (or spenders) helps the spenders is false. It seems true because if you personally steal money from someone, it does make you better off. But the fact is that if everyone like you stole a million dollars from the Fed, the number of pizzas you could buy would not change. The number of pizzas being created per year cannot fluctuate that easily, but the price can. So when you take money from savers and give it to spenders two things happen:

      1) There is inflation of the prices of things the spenders like to buy in order to soak up the money (you haven't increased supply, you haven't changed demand, so the only thing that can change is the price)
      2) There are fewer savers, at the very least because you have confiscated some savings. This means fewer jobs available.

      So, socialism is not good for anyone, even those it supposedly helps!

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    43. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      You start by taxing the hell out of capital gains. When people end up with millions more than they even want to spend, they'll invest it regardless of the tax rate. You have to keep up with inflation somehow, and really there's nothing else you can do with it.

    44. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Alomex · · Score: 2

      His dad wasn't on the board of IBM. His mom was in the board of a charity where she had met the chair of IBM. Even so, IBM wanted CP/M but Gary Kildall blew up the deal, only then did IBM approached Bill Gates and asked him if he could provide an OS for the new IBM PC.

      Sure, the connection did help, but it wasn't pivotal to the deal. They were already in talks with Microsoft to buy Microsoft Basic which was the standard back then, shipped with all personal computers from all makers. They offered Microsoft the MSDOS contract before the chairman realized he knew the mom of the kid in charge of the company.

      Using personal connections to get business is standard practice, any business owner will tell youu about business they got because of some personal reference. You still need to have the record to back up the personal connection. Just because I know the owners of Google does not mean I am about to get the contract for Chrome OS.

      So let's recap: Bill Gates had already founded a company that was shipping the most popular basic interpreter at the time and had already been offered the OS contract for the IBM PC before someone high up at IBM realized that he was "Mary Gates' kid". Out of this he made a 90 billion dollar fortune.

      Cheeto Jesus on the other hand got a million dollar from his dad, before he had succeeded at anything and parlayed it into four bankruptcies and a heavily leveraged "fortune" that is so huuuge he's not willing to show his tax returns.

    45. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't hate anyone. Well, that's not totally true, but I don't hate anyone for being ultra-rich.

      There shouldn't be laws against becoming rich, but there should be laws that make it progressively harder to make money when you make "too much". That is, progressive taxes. Once you're making a billion dollars a year, I don't think it's too crazy to say anything beyond that is taxed at 70, 80, even 90 percent. It's not like you need the money, and it's actually harming everyone else in society for one person to stockpile as much money as some of these people have.

    46. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by BaronAaron · · Score: 2

      You and I might be able to run out of money but society can't run out of money. At this point it's just a electronic ledger controlled by the Federal Reserve. Creating more money is simple as adding some zeroes to a column in some fancy Excel sheet. This happens all the time, but currently it's put into circulation through loans to corporations. A top down approach.

      Giving money out to individuals through some sort of UBI system would be a bottom up approach. That money is going to be spent on goods and services from companies anyway. Also taxed the whole way back up. The trick is obviously doing this in a way that doesn't drastically increase the rate of inflation.

      Bottom line there needs to be some sort of balance in, not how we redistribute wealth, but in how we distribute the opportunity to gain wealth.

    47. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by MrVictor · · Score: 1

      Or we can fix the actual problem instead of going for the UBI band-aid. Just tear up all the free trade agreements and tariff imports so all the unemployed/discouraged will be able to find jobs again. Fences make good neighbors.

    48. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the fuck was this marked "insightful"? This redistribution of wealth has been tried in other countries and failed when other sources that propped it up failed (oil and other high dollar export resources

    49. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name one political/economic system where you are not paying out of your own pocket for the poor.

      Just one.

    50. Re: Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that some people expect too much. I've seen that first-hand when people damn near expect a medal for doing a simple job poorly. The main problem we face is a serious lack of meritocracy.

      Personal ability and drive matter, but the education and wealth of your parents is a very significant indicator of future success. Equality of outcome is a very bad idea, but equality of opportunity is how we see the very best rise to the top. It's also how we see people more readily lift themselves out of poverty and become self reliant. kids from poor families go to shitty schools, live in shitty areas, and they have parents who are too busy working to even know what it is they should be doing differently for their children. This is one of those areas where state intervention benefits everyone. Having a multi-generational, and growing, underclass is not good for anybody.

      While we can't give everyone a Stanford education, we can do far more to break this cycle of poverty. And it's complete arrogance on the part who dismiss these people as lazy bums.

    51. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      He might very well have created Microsoft, then abandoned it when the maximum he could get from it was approaching $10 billion.

      Microsoft was a public company. Even if Gates quit, someone would still have pushed it forward. And I doubt he would keep his $10 billion after the shareholder lawsuit if he said, "I got mine, shut it down." Heck, I would imagine that the purchase of shares would include golden handcuffs to prevent him stepping down at all.

      Back to the point, that's one of the philosophies of capitalism: The more people work (economically, meaning an investment of labor, capital, or advice), the more they should make.

      That is not one of the philosophies of capitalism I've ever heard of. Capitalism is the idea that private capital, invested for reward, is how the means of production should be allocated. It's completely disconnected from how much work pays. Also, investing capital is not work.

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    52. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One has to ask what has allowed the system of inequality to perpetuate? I would say it is the welfare state. This is paradoxical I know, but bear with me. If you did not have the social welfare system to fall back upon, A family of 4 could not survive on wages paid by Mcdonalds or 1000 other low class jobs in the USA. The workers would be forced to demand they get paid a living wage. Social welfare makes the richest of the rich more money than they can make through market forces alone.

      Take the example of section 8 housing. A poor person gets an apartment in a shitty neighborhood for 100 USD a month. The apartment is worth 400 USD on the market. The rich landlord who supports the social welfare system and has friends on the city council gets 800 USD a month. This is how the system works. Most of the worlds rich elite tend to be liberals who support the democratic social welfare system.

      Both the republicans are democrats are in on the confidence game. The only person who can help a poor person is a poor person. Any politician / limosine liberal who says they are helping the poor, is saying that they are using the poor to help themselves to a shit ton of middle class money.

    53. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather my tax dollars go to help someone who doesn't deserve it, than to bomb someone who doesn't deserve it!

    54. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Rising+Ape · · Score: 1

      wealth equality? doesn't that mean taking my money and giving to some dumb lazy bum? I'll take wealth inequality thanks very much

      If you start with a couple of million, you get easily invest it to get greater than the average person's income from a full time job, except without having to lift a finger.

      How's that for being a "dumb lazy bum"?

    55. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If people are physically and mentally capable of breaking into houses and stealing stuff, they don't sound "unemployable" to me.

    56. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      double plus hilarious !!

    57. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      I think you missed my point.

      Yes, there were standards without Microsoft. There were a lot of them, usually competing and incompatible. Sure, they were open, but vendors still usually picked one based on their own technical preferences, leaving a lot of work to actually achieve interoperability between systems who chose competing standards. Lots of jobs for the programmers writing interface layers, but utter crap for actually making progress.

      Microsoft's monopoly forced everyone's hand. Microsoft's way was rarely (if ever) the best way, but it was a clear and well-trodden path, and anyone doing things Microsoft's way could have a reasonable chance that others would follow suit.

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    58. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) There is inflation of the prices of things the spenders like to buy in order to soak up the money (you haven't increased supply, you haven't changed demand, so the only thing that can change is the price)

      I think you fail to realize just how much produce gets thrown away. More people buying pizza means less raw pizza materiel being thrown away. And yes, the amount of something being created per years easily fluctuates. When demand goes up, supplies are increased to meet those demands. If instead the company simply raised prices, someone else could sweep in and grab all the business by undercutting them. Prices can't just increase without consequences unless those businesses are in enforced monopolies. Depending on the efficiency of the supply chain, it could be a short or long delay before the increase propagates throughout the system, but it does happen.

      No one is talking about a random reward structure. People are talking about giving those struggling to survive enough to survive. Providing a solid baseline so that if you take a chance that could succeed big but ends up failing, you don't need to resort to crime to stay alive.

      The one sentence about random rewards is good, but everything else in your post is bullshit because you make assumptions that aren't real.

    59. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > No, just be on the board of IBM to help him get MS DOS on literally every machine.

      The only flaw in that narrative is that MS didn't have an operating system when IBM approached them. Gates sent them to Kildall. MS only licensed QDOS after they were told about IBM's plans for the PC.

      Does that sound like something you'd want your parents to do? Put you on the spot to sell something you didn't have?

    60. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because media has convinced people at this point that they are getting shafted while essentially having their money stolen to pay for free shit for people who will never have to work. It's really fucked up, and it's woefully incorrect.

    61. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      FYI, 1% of 330 million is 1.55 million. Pointing out how many people are in the 1% makes you look like you fail at math.

      The current GDP per capita is $53k, if everyone got the same amount of money, that is how much you would get every year right now (it would be far less, but this is a good example). Now, if you think that is a raise, perhaps you should go out and get a degree, or work hard in a technology field and start earning more money. I almost make double that amount, and I would not say that I am well off, but it puts me in the top 5% of the US.

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    62. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Coren22 · · Score: 1
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    63. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why no matter how many times he tries to give his money away, he can't. It just keeps making itself more money. There is a point on that wealth curve where you basically can't ever lose it short of cataclysm.

    64. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's why it sucks so badly to live in Norway, infamous socialist dystopia, that it ranks in the very last place on the Human Development Index. Oh, wait, it ranks first? I guess nobody gave Bryan (An)Caplan the right memo.

    65. Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      the same investment return rates are open to anyone as to person with $2M.

      if you have degree that leads to six figure salary after 10-15 years, no excuse not to have 2M in retirement account.

  6. did he win the Powerball or something? by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    i should've bought a ticket

  7. Re:All I care about is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    except Trump is under no obligation whatsoever to show his tax returns, that is mere tradition.

    Meanwhile Hillary broke the law...

    (I have bigger concerns about Trump than tax returns.....)

  8. Re: All I care about is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He isn't worth much? Wait do you mean how much money he has?

  9. Who knew philanthropy increased net worth!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I seriously admire Bill for the passion he has for helping the world's most vulnerable -- and in that vein I'm surprised to see his stockpile of cash going UP and not down...

    1. Re:Who knew philanthropy increased net worth!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Gates says "I'm totally giving a fuckton of money to charity" and keeps getting richer. This sounds like a fatty who says "I'm totally dieting and exercising" and keeps getting fatter. The math just doesn't work, so you have to understand they're LYING.

    2. Re:Who knew philanthropy increased net worth!? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      he actually is giving a butt ton to charity at an ever increasing rate, he still has investments though and those investments are currently growing at a faster rate than he can give it away (without actually flushing down the dunny).

    3. Re:Who knew philanthropy increased net worth!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow I didn't know BG invented a perpetual motion machine! Fucking cretin, don't you know rich people use "charities" to give money to themselves without paying taxes?

    4. Re:Who knew philanthropy increased net worth!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are there these simple minds that only think charity means "you give me all the money"?

    5. Re:Who knew philanthropy increased net worth!? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      fucking retard, learning how investments works. If you give away 40 billion (approximately what he has given so far) and earn 60 billion your net worth grows. would take you all of 10 seconds to search on the web to see what he does for charity and the millions of children he has helped.

    6. Re:Who knew philanthropy increased net worth!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He can give me $100 million.
      I'll get rid of it post haste :D

    7. Re:Who knew philanthropy increased net worth!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like this: You decide you want to do some charitable work. You don't just give money away. You decide on some particular thing, like distributing mosquito nets. You budget that out. Maybe you need $100 million for that project. Meanwhile, your MSFT stock value went up $1 billion. What is he supposed to do? Over-pay for the mosquito nets? Furthermore, even if he wanted to sell all his MSFT stock he couldn't. He'd crash the stock. The BoD and share-holders wouldn't be too happy. That's one of the big reasons you can only extract so much from your net worth. When you're in that rare air, money doesn't work like it does for you and me. If I sold everything and gave it away, it would mostly hurt me. If Bill Gates liquidated 99% of his investments, it would mostly hurt others! First the share-holders, then if he dumped the money in some poor country with a small economy he could actually disrupt that economy.

    8. Re:Who knew philanthropy increased net worth!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mainly because they are jealous and wish they had a fraction of what he has (I am too, but at least I am able to look beyond that and see the good he is doing). He seems to be trying to establish a legacy where he has left something that is still benefiting the world long after he is gone. plenty of rich people don't donate a fraction of the time or money he has.

  10. Re:All I care about is: by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0

    Meanwhile Hillary broke the law...

    No, she didn't. She was careless. Being careless is not illegal.

    Compare that to Dick Cheney who deliberately outed an undercover CIA agent for political vindictiveness. The man remains free to lord over Halliburton who received a multi-billion dollar no-bid contract to help with the invasion of Iraq. If that doesn't scream cronyism and illegality, nothing does.

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  11. No biggie by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am also worth $90 billion, give or take $90 billion.

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    1. Re:No biggie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Donald, is that you?

    2. Re:No biggie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you are worth "up to" $180 B then!

    3. Re:No biggie by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Sad that most of our working lives sum up to little more than a rounding error.

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  12. You mean... by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 0

    Meanwhile Hillary broke the law...
    No, she didn't. She was careless. Being careless is not illegal.

    Wait... you mean she *didn't* lie to congress?

    That damn mainstream media, always distorting the truth!

    Next I suppose you'll be telling me she didn't come under sniper fire in Bosnia!

  13. Re: All I care about is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it was illegal to handle professional matters under a personal server. It was not malicious but it was illegal.

  14. Re:All I care about is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Caveat-- I think Dick Cheney is an evil piece of garbage who should hang for his crimes, but "Compare that to Dick Cheney who deliberately outed an undercover CIA agent for political vindictiveness." is just stupid and the least of his crimes.

    Valerie Plame was the wife of an ambassador. She was not an undercover CIA agent to any reasonable person. She was an overt CIA agent. Anyone of *any* country associated with an embassy *is* a spy. That's the entire fucking point of embassies. Have you never played Civilization? Embassies are the "honor among thieves" of spy craft, diplomatic immunity and whatnot.

    That being said, I would love Cheney's energy meetings to be declassified. That's where you're going to find some seriously evil shit.

  15. Re:All I care about is: by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2

    I don't get why Canckles email thing is an issue - the moment any type of crime is mentioned, the current failure will pardon the next failure.

    It's really a non issue. Not because she isn't a criminal, it's just that the criminals are in charge.

    This is the Daley machine nationwide. Until we crack down on all government criminals from city to state to nationwide, our votes won't be counted.

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  16. Greedy Fuck. by zenlessyank · · Score: 0

    If you are a billionaire and you need more money then FUCK YOU.

    1. Re:Greedy Fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      greedy? ya maybe but he's also smart, he obviously diversified. had he had more microsoft holdings he'd likely be down the same amount instead.

    2. Re:Greedy Fuck. by gtall · · Score: 1

      No, no, FU is the "type" of money a billionaire has. Incidentally, most of money billionaires have is not money in the sense you are thinking of it. It is tied up in investments and such. Think Bam-Bam Trump when asked about his net worth...enormous...he cannot tell you how enormous it is, it is that big...unless he was forced into translating it into actual cash, then it would be quite small, unlike for real billionaires.

    3. Re:Greedy Fuck. by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

      Please don't make excuses for greedy fucks. It puts you in a bad light.

  17. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the money is made good use of in the process then it's win-win. Who says you have to be self-sacrificing to help others?

    1. Re:So what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If the money is made good use of in the process then it's win-win. Who says you have to be self-sacrificing to help others?

      The problem is that the money is being used to do evil. Gates is investing in businesses which are killing the people he's claiming to be helping. As it turns out, you do have to be self-sacrificing to help others.

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    2. Re:So what? by clodney · · Score: 1

      If the money is made good use of in the process then it's win-win. Who says you have to be self-sacrificing to help others?

      The problem is that the money is being used to do evil. Gates is investing in businesses which are killing the people he's claiming to be helping. As it turns out, you do have to be self-sacrificing to help others.

      You keep posting this same link like it is some horrible smoking gun, but all the article says is that the investments of the Gates Foundation don't follow the same principles of the charitable works the foundation does. That is disappointing, but hardly counts as killing people. Or at least, if that is killing people, anyone with investments in S&P index funds is equally culpable.

      The Gates foundation directly spends billions on philanthropic causes that are widely agreed to be legitimate and useful. It also invests in companies that are polluters or have unsavory business practices. Gates has put a ton of money into childhood vaccinations and in developing treatments for diseases where there is no money to be made. How many other charitable goals are they required to sign on to?

  18. Batten down the hatches - a bubble's bout to burst by RichPowers · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The central banks of the world are conjuring money out of thin air and using it to buy stocks, which are ownership claims on real businesses with real assets, made of real materials in a universe dominated by the laws of thermodynamics [1]. Think about this absurdity and the implications for holders of fiat currency.

    Therefore, the marginal buyer is increasingly a central bank that can create as much money as it wants, consequences be damned. When this ends, I suspect equities, like most other asset classes, will have a long fall back to reality.

    Concurrently, interest rates are artificially low, leading to all sorts of chicanery and malinvestments. Shares of dividend-paying blue chips, such as Microsoft, are bid higher and higher as income-seeking investors search for yield wherever they can. However, the price you pay for future cash flows absolutely matters and determines your return; at current valuations, I suspect there will be a lot of tears for equity holders.

    Between the third central bank-induced financial bubble in less than 20 years and Trump/Clinton, I'm starting to think I'm on a bizarro Earth 2 or something.

    [1] http://www.reuters.com/article...

  19. Re:All I care about is: by EEPROMS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wrong, deleting official US federal emails is illegal, being careless is negligence and also illegal. Negligence is not an excuse when it comes to this specific mater because every US official would accidentally be deleting official emails.

  20. Go one better! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    Don't hate the ultra-rich person, hate the world that created them.

    I can go one better!

    These ultra-rich persons only exist in a universe that allows matter to interact.

    Don't hate the world that created the ultra rich, hate the universe that creates such worlds!

    (Not that I'm not trying to deflect blame or anything. I'm sure you weren't either.)

  21. Other admirable traits by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I seriously admire Bill for the passion he has for helping the world's most vulnerable -- and in that vein I'm surprised to see his stockpile of cash going UP and not down...

    I seriously admire his talent for amassing huge sums of money by breaking the law, and getting away with a slap on the wrist.

    I don't have that level of chutzpah - I'd have always been afraid of getting caught. He must have had a different upbringing from mine.

    1. Re:Other admirable traits by 4im · · Score: 1

      I seriously admire his talent for amassing huge sums of money by breaking the law, and getting away with a slap on the wrist.

      I don't have that level of chutzpah - I'd have always been afraid of getting caught. He must have had a different upbringing from mine.

      This! I wish I had mod points. Crime obviously does pay. Donating parts of the ill gotten doesn't make the crime go away.

    2. Re:Other admirable traits by stdarg · · Score: 1

      Oh yes Gates is real gangster. Why, one time he even bundled a web browser with his operating system!!!! I don't know why he isn't rotting in a prison cell right now. It's all blood money I tells ya.

      Jesus Christ you people sound stupid.

    3. Re:Other admirable traits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't call him a criminal, but you have your head in the sand. There was a time when Microsoft could issue a press release saying they might be interested in entering a business area and then the existing companies in that area would die overnight. Microsoft did use that to their advantage to destroy companies they didn't like.

      Then there are the times when they forbid companies from selling specific products along with their own products. If you break that 'agreement' then no more discount licenses (if they're still willing to sell you any) for you. Your PC business is suddenly dead overnight since everyone else can offer computers hundreds of dollars cheaper.

      Then there was that time they corrupted a standards committee to get their document format labeled as a standard.

      Then there was that time they... The list goes on and on.

      Technically they aren't illegal, but Microsoft is an extremely immoral company as are most (all?) of the larger companies. Since Gates had massive influence over the company, set the stage for how it behaved, and could have single-handily stopped any of those things, it's fair to blame him for all of it.

  22. Stay off the slippery slope by s.petry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Rich" is a vague and subjective term that GP never used.

    The story of the artisan from Plato's The Republic is interesting and rational. There are two failures with Gates. First, he has failed society by hoarding. Then again he has displayed a tremendous amount of sociopathic tendencies so we should not be too surprised. Second, the State has failed by allowing him to hoard that much personal wealth. I use Plato as my reference.

    There should absolutely be a wealth cap. Sorry if you don't like it, but unless you can come up with something better than Plato for me to reference I think Socrates had it correct. To preempt someone saying something stupid, go read the book.

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    1. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hoarding would be if he held all his wealth as money, which I doubt very little is. If he is earning a return on his wealth, that means his wealth is being "put to use" and is benefitting others. Just because you don't like his choice of investments doesn't really mean anything. What would you have him do with his wealth instead?

    2. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by Procrasti · · Score: 2

      Instead of a wealth cap, which removes the incentive to provide value to society, perhaps a wealth tax should be levied on wealth beyond a certain level.

      A 1%/year tax on net wealth would encourage productive use of wealth, so that wealth then necessarily benefits society.

      There are good justifications for this, because wealth is protected by the state and the people, and so those whose wealth we are protecting, should pay for that protection, and about 1% flat wealth tax beyond a reasonable amount (maybe $2M, or whatever puts you in the top 1%) makes sense.

      Furthermore, a wealth tax, along with a small UBI, means that the a wealthy few can support a large population, providing for their desires in accordance with the free market, as the AGI revolution replaces almost all jobs with capital.

      I propose that a wealth tax and a UBI are the closest practical implementation of lump sum transfers specified in the second fundamental theorem of welfare economics.

    3. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Instead of a wealth cap, which removes the incentive to provide value to society, perhaps a wealth tax should be levied on wealth beyond a certain level.

      When you build a small business with associate, you first provide value to the society. If this business works, other people start to produce value for your own benefit. You are no more producing value, just getting the fruit of other people labor.

      If this is the incentive your are talking, being a parasite, then you are despicable.

    4. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by Procrasti · · Score: 2

      (Ignoring your views on windows for a moment here). Let's say we capped Bill's net wealth at $1B, once he got that $1B, he could have dismantled MS and stopped development of Windows entirely. There's no incentive to continue with a wealth cap, so why not?

      No, wealth is the incentive capitalism uses to provide value to society. Every trade provides a benefit to both the consumer and the producer, or otherwise, they would not participate in that trade.

      However, there do exist economic rents, monopolies form, and wealth trickles up in reality. A wealth tax stops wealth from being hoarded in unproductive ways, and addresses these unfortunate facts of the real market. Productive wealth provides goods and services to the rest of the population.

      Now, I'm sure you're a socialist or something who has never actually studied economics. I recommend you take an online course in the fundamentals of microeconomics. Once you can mathematically prove the first and second fundamental welfare theorems, then I will look forward to any arguments you have with my statements. Until then, I think you are following feels over facts, and as good as your intentions may be, that road leads to dark places, starvation, poverty and death.

      A wealth tax, UBI and some adjustments to income and capital gains taxes can provide both the required incentives for those who chose to chase wealth, while making that pursuit a benefit to all, especially in a future where almost all jobs become redundant in world dominated by AI and robots.

    5. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by Andtalath · · Score: 1

      It's not 90 billion USD in wealth.
      It's 90 billion USD in assets, most of them are "at work".

    6. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      We don't need a wealth cap. All we need is to eliminate tax dodges like the Gates Foundation; its first job is to make more money, its second job is to spread strong IP law to developing nations, and its third job is to make Gates look good. It is exactly like the Rockefeller foundation. We should also have a steady and useful rate of inflation which discourages hoarding cash. If you want your money to not lose value, you should have to invest it in something with value. That is how jobs are created.

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    7. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      It's 90 billion USD in assets, most of them are "at work".

      Yes, at work killing people. Note the age of this story; nothing has changed. How many people have been killed by Gates' investments to date? How much damage has that money done to the ecosphere?

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    8. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Ignoring your views on windows for a moment here). Let's say we capped Bill's net wealth at $1B, once he got that $1B, he could have dismantled MS and stopped development of Windows entirely. There's no incentive to continue with a wealth cap, so why not?

      No, wealth is the incentive capitalism uses to provide value to society. Every trade provides a benefit to both the consumer and the producer, or otherwise, they would not participate in that trade.

      And it's actually a bad incentive:

      * https://hbr.org/2013/04/does-money-really-affect-motiv
      * http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120509-is-it-all-about-the-money

      Money is extrinsic motivator. Quite a few studies have found that intrinsic motivators are much better at getting good productivity and making sure employees / workers are happy.

    9. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too many people pick sides like "socialism/taxes/government = good" or "... = bad" and automatically defend anything that falls into their own camp. Thank you for politely pointing out how the OP was wrong while still basically siding with them.

    10. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by stdarg · · Score: 2

      The funny thing is both of your points are completely incoherent because Gates isn't hoarding anything. Unfortunately I haven't read The Republic so I'm not sure if your misuse of the word "hoarding" is a fatal flaw in your argument, or merely funny.

    11. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, you're appealing to authority which is a logical fallacy.
      Second, Plato may just be wrong on this one or he may value things other than justice or fairness or society or whatever differently than we do.
      Third, taking from some by force isn't just even if it benefits the majority-- otherwise you also think the Holocaust and Soviet purges were just.

      So I'll discard your opinion.
      Cry more about how others are greedy just because they have things that you want to take from them.

    12. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Horse shit! Read US History from 1776 to Present. Since we began to track the _personal_ income tax, the through the first 70 years of so of the tax, anything over a million dollars in yearly income was taxed Federally at 90%. We had boom after boom in this country with a wealth cap, and Wealth Disparity in the US was one of the best in the world improving steadily year after year. Since we removed the cap (thanks Dick! Nixon that is) we have done nothing but go in the opposite direction. A _reasonable_ wealth cap does not give any disincentive for gaining wealth, it does however diminish the narcissistic behavior which has become commonplace.

      So now you are 0 for 2 in references, and 2 for 2 in spreading bullshit. Care to provide an economist who backs your view sanely? If not, I assume you are just a troll.

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    13. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by Procrasti · · Score: 2

      I don't need an economist, because you prove you don't know what you are talking about.

      That's not a wealth cap, it's an income tax. The high rate makes it an "effective" INCOME cap, but that has nothing to do with wealth.

      Wealth is your total value (holdings minus debts), while income is a delta to wealth.

      Income caps aren't fantastic ideas either, (note it was a high but progressive tax, and not an actual cap), but you shouldn't confuse income with wealth.

    14. Re:Stay off the slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize the 90% income tax had a whole bunch of exceptions, and was *income*, not investments, right? Barely anybody making more than $1M/year in income actually paid anything close to the full rate, and capital gains wasn't included. Plus, that's not even a wealth cap.

  23. Re:All I care about is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Meanwhile Hillary broke the law...

    >No, she didn't. She was careless. Being careless is not illegal.

    Actually, carelessness is illegal, at least in the case of driving.

  24. Re:All I care about is: by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

    What is manslaughter?

  25. Re:All I care about is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone of *any* country associated with an embassy *is* a spy. That's the entire fucking point of embassies.

    That would be pretty cool. But as someone who worked in Embassies and Missions before, I can attest that is not true. You can't spy your way through economic-cultural-political affairs to assess/negotiate trade deals, organise relevant/successful events, accommodate visiting delegations, and whatnot. You need professionals from all sorts of areas. And because foreign posts rotate pretty often and you always need someone who knows what they are doing, you need lots of them.

    Maybe all the attaches are spies though. Why would non-career people need to gallivant all over the globe?

  26. $90 billion is 0.5% of the US GDP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My distance traveled is half my speed!

  27. Re:Batten down the hatches - a bubble's bout to bu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, what're you stockpiling for the impending shitstorm? Asked as a person who has similar beliefs and worked hard for my money.

  28. Uhh... by easyTree · · Score: 1

    (Warning: may be paywalled)

    Warning: It's a waste of everyone's time to post something that can't be viewed.

  29. Re:And Hillary has a lyinhilary doll?! by davester666 · · Score: 2

    Mainstream media is hiding the fact that Trump is the president of NAMBLA. Lots of people know, but are too afraid of what Trump will do to them.

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  30. Re:All I care about is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You idiots should take your politics elsewhere. This is news.slashdot.org, and not politics.slashdot.org (which I have blocked for a reason). Modded down.

  31. Re:All I care about is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    She was careless. Being careless is not illegal.

    When you're dealing with classified material (and hence the opposition is nation-states) there are certain procedures that you are required to follow.
    In order to be cleared to handle those classified materials you get briefed on those procedures,
    Once briefed you need to contractually agree to folow those procedures, with jail time as punishment for non-compliance.
    Less politically connected people who failed to follow those procedures (and get caught) did in the past go to jail.

    Merely by having the private server for government mail Hillary clinton broke the handling procedures at a fundamental level. While that's technically a breach of contract and not a crime, she should indeed go to jail for it (just like less politically connected people who did so would)

  32. Re:All I care about is: by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    non intentional killing

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  33. so just imagine by fche · · Score: 1

    a beowulf cluster of bill gates' fortunes

  34. Re:Batten down the hatches - a bubble's bout to bu by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

    It won't end, they're past the point of no return, Gates will be a trillionaire, and the working class won't even be allowed to access cash

  35. Re:All I care about is: by kelemvor4 · · Score: 2

    Meanwhile Hillary broke the law... No, she didn't. She was careless. Being careless is not illegal.

    There's thousands of folks in prison who will be excited to hear they have been exonerated because they didn't mean to do what they did! In fact, there are people in prison right now for leaking classified documents accidentally. However, they weren't extremely rich and powerful...

    Being careless IS illegal if you commit a crime in your carelessness.

  36. Re:who cares, he doesn't share unless you run Wind by Gamer_2k4 · · Score: 1

    even his Foundation requires Windows which should be a conflict of interest.

    It's his money, so he gets to decide who to give it to. Nothing wrong with that.

  37. That's great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But my dick is still bigger

  38. Re:All I care about is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ladbrokes is taking bets on whether Trump's hunting trip with Cheney takes place before or after the election.

  39. Re:Batten down the hatches - a bubble's bout to bu by swillden · · Score: 1

    The central banks of the world are conjuring money out of thin air and using it to buy stocks

    Cite? I'm not aware of any central bank buying stocks. The "quantitative easing" they're doing -- AFAIK -- is all bond purchasing, which means they're not buying ownership in real businesses, they're lending money to real businesses.

    Concurrently, interest rates are artificially low

    That's debatable. Without the actions of the central banks, we would likely be in a deflationary cycle. Assuming interest rates naturally adjusted accordingly, they should go very low, or even negative. Some of the central banks have gone to slightly negative interest rates, but they won't go nearly as negative as would naturally occur in a deflationary cycle. Instead, they're pumping money into the economy (via QE) to avoid deflation.

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  40. Bill Gates and Alfred Nobel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . He didn't have daddy give him a few million to get started

    No, just be on the board of IBM to help him get MS DOS on literally every machine. And his dad was worth millions, so getting some startup cash wasn't impossible.

    That said, he is giving away a lot of his cash.

    He's trying to buy his good name back, a la Alfred Nobel:

    In 1888 Alfred's brother Ludvig died while visiting Cannes and a French newspaper erroneously published Alfred's obituary.[4] It condemned him for his invention of dynamite and is said to have brought about his decision to leave a better legacy after his death.[4][17] The obituary stated, Le marchand de la mort est mort ("The merchant of death is dead")[4] and went on to say, "Dr. Alfred Nobel, who became rich by finding ways to kill more people faster than ever before, died yesterday."[18] Alfred (who never had a wife or children) was disappointed with what he read and concerned with how he would be remembered.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Nobel#Nobel_Prizes

    I have no idea if Gates' primary motivation is altruistic or not, but most people now have a general good opinion of him. Perhaps he got bored with being a capitalist and wanted to solve new problems.

    Musk is doing similar things: took his first fortune and used it to build companies that he thinks have important social consequences (energy, transportation, space travel and human extinction). Gates went the charity root.

    If I was rich and had money (as in billions) to burn I'd work on improving roads / transportation in Africa, clean water processing and plumbing, the education of girls / women in certain parts of the world, and clean electricity generation. For the latter, I'd be looking into throwing money at small-scale nuclear, thorium, and reprocessing of current stockpiles of nuclear "waste" (which is 99% unused fuel).

  41. Countdown on to the world's first trillionaire by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Who is it going to be? I'm betting on it being some hospital administrator.

  42. Re:All I care about is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paying taxes is for little people, for stupid people. And so is releasing your tax returns when you run for President, as every candidate has done since 1976.

    Smart people like @realDonaldTrump don't pay taxes and don't follow custom for releasing them. Zero taxes or his accountant is fired.

  43. 19,000 layoffs did him good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now you know why he lays off people. It enriches him and his foundation.

  44. $90 billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be happy if I had just 1% of that in the bank.

  45. who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He doesn't have $90 billion in the bank and money or stocks are not backed by anything that has value but by speculation. He basically has $90 billion in stocks(monopoly money). If anyone of those company that he has his money invested in goes belly up he loses a portion or all of his so called wealth.

  46. Re:All I care about is: by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

    Please. Running your own email server so as not to keep a trail of documents is legal?

    OK. Say it is.

    Is it ethical? Is it something acceptable to you?

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  47. Re:All I care about is: by BringsApples · · Score: 1

    It's what a few cops do, and get charged for.

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  48. Re:All I care about is: by BringsApples · · Score: 1

    Hell, I hope so. I do it at my house. I do it so that google and/or anyone else cannot read my email. Seems totally ethical to me. But then again, I'm not a professional politician, working for the public.

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  49. Re: All I care about is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being careless is illegal when you are KNOWINGLY responsible for state secrets.

  50. my proposed financial plan by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    If I'm not mistaken Apple is worth around $8X billion so I have an idea. First, cash it all in an buy Apple. Second, destroy the company. Just sell it all off and clos everything. Next, die happy as the biggest hero in the entire history of the world.

  51. Re:All I care about is: by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

    :-)

    good point.

    However politicians pass all sorts of compliance laws. Among the purposes of these laws is to ascertain who did what when; who knew what when. Running an email server to bypass compliance regulations is not ethical. (Although it may technically have been legal for the S of S. I'm not an attorney so I don't know how the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed.)

    Running the email server out of her house was clearly done to circumvent compliance and FOI requests.

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  52. Re:And Hillary has a lyinhilary doll?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's ridiculous, he looks nothing like Marlon Brando.

  53. 90 BILLION NOTHINGS ?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the currency goes bad where will he be hiding?

    It is a big deal to backstab the whole globe with spyware. This is what Bill Gates will be remembered for.

  54. Re:And Hillary has a lyinhilary doll?! by davester666 · · Score: 1

    True, but Trump has a nude picture of Marlon Brando as a child as his phones background image.

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  55. GDP what the hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do they always compare people's wealth to GDP? People say things like he's worth 50B which is the GDP of Cambodia or whatever. 50B over a lifetime of earning vs one year of a small country. Yeah it is a lot of money, I get that. But annual vs lifetime.

  56. Re:All I care about is: by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    From https://www.fbi.gov/news/press...

    Our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way, or a second statute making it a misdemeanor to knowingly remove classified information from appropriate systems or storage facilities.

    Yes, being careless with classified information IS illegal. Perhaps you would like to argue with James Comey about what is legal and not? Unfortunately, because Hillary is well connected, and wealthy, no prosecutor would take the case, it doesn't make it any less illegal. This on top of the official records act laws others mentioned.

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  57. Rothschild by NewYork · · Score: 1

    "Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws." --Rothschild, 1744

  58. Medicate by s.petry · · Score: 0

    In your very diminished mind a scaling tax can't work as a wealth cap? Income tax was one of many taxes used to equalize wealth, and the heaviest used. We have and had others which were changed at the same time as the Income tax (Capital Gains, Estate) but those worked _after_ accumulation.

    No wonder you can't name a reference for your position. It's based in delusional fantasyland which does not exist. You should really get on medication for your mental handicap.

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    1. Re:Medicate by Procrasti · · Score: 1

      Actually, UBI has been proposed many times by many high profile economists, you should be able to find these yourself. Yes, there are economists and economic thinkers from a long time back that advocate wealth taxes, or similar, or partial implementations of it. You should be able to find these too. I'm not going to help you because you come across as rude and ignorant.

      No amount of income tax, no matter how progressive, or capital gains tax (also a tax on deltas), etc, can act as a wealth cap. Simple logic should prove this to you. A multi-billionaire dies, his son inherits 10 billion dollars, you apply 99% tax to anything over $1 income or capital gains made on everyone, and your guy is still a multi-billionaire for life. It just makes sure that the poorest, no matter how much skill or value they ever bring to society, can never make more than a small amount of savings. Is this your aim? If not, you haven't thought through the problem.

      Estate taxes are somewhat similar to wealth taxes though, except they apply only once, when a rich person dies. So, the rich person will be rich forever, no matter how little he brings to society. His children will be rich too, but some tax goes to the state, to make up for their 'unearned' income.

      A wealth tax is more like a continuous version of an estate tax, that happens throughout the person's life. However, an estate tax does not encourage behaviour of making wealth productive on the individual. Mostly it encourages the creation of trust funds and such to avoid the tax for the benefit of their offspring. A wealth tax means that a person must invest their wealth (on average) in a productive (and therefore beneficial, under the assumptions of a free market) manner, at all times. The idea is not to disallow, but to discourage, large amounts of wealth to only be a benefit to the holder of the wealth and not society in general. A wealth tax makes it a benefit to society in general.

      Let's say you have a $2B luxury mansion property. You live very well on it, and make a tiny bit of money so you cover all your spending, but only the minimum. You die, and your child inherits it, but has to pay tax, we give half of it to the state, leaving the with a $1B luxury mansion property, and that person can make a tiny bit of money off of it to cover their spending, but only the minimum. Pretty much that $1B worth of WEALTH, is locked up by one person to the exclusion of everyone else for their entire lifetime. For that one person it is great, but for everyone else, it provides nothing.

      In a 1% wealth tax scenario, that $2B mansion better be making at least $20M/year to cover it's taxes, which benefit society directly, or it is a losing proposition and should be sold to someone who can make productive use of it. Also, over the average lifetime of a human being, they will pay the equivalent of an estate tax for that wealth, but the difference being, wealth would have been (more likely) to be used productively, and more efficiently, over that time, rather than simply hoarded.

      Now, you see if you can find the economists who have proposed these ideas before. Okay?

  59. Re:All I care about is: by The+Relentless · · Score: 1

    MansLaughter is the funniest homicide!