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Anonymous Hacker Explains His Attack On Boston Children's Hospital (huffingtonpost.com)
Okian Warrior writes: Martin Gottesfeld of Anonymous was arrested in connection with the Spring 2014 attacks on a number of healthcare and treatment facilities in the Boston area. The attacks were in response/defense of a patient there named Justina Pelletier. Gottesfeld now explains why he did what he did, in a statement provided to The Huffington Post. Here's an excerpt from his statement: [Why I Knocked Boston Children's Hospital Off The Internet] The answer is simpler than you might think: The defense of an innocent, learning disabled, 15-year-old girl. In the criminal complaint, she's called 'Patient A,' but to me, she has a name, Justina Pelletier. Boston Children's Hospital disagreed with her diagnosis. They said her symptoms were psychological. They made misleading statement on an affidavit, went to court, and had Justina's parents stripped of custody. They stopped her painkillers, leaving her in agony. They stopped her heart medication, leaving her tachycardic. They said she was a danger to herself, and locked her in a psych ward. They said her family was part of the problem, so they limited, monitored, and censored her contact with them..."
Some of our best and most ethical hackers are also MD's!
everytime I know about someone being shot, I always hope being that crooked retard who stalks me and have a serious daddy issue, or one of her retard friends.
You're not a hero, dipshit, you just lashed out at some (alleged) assholes in one of the least productive ways possible.
I knew that BCH’s big donation day was coming up, and that most donors give online. I felt that to have sufficient influence to save Justina from grievous bodily harm and possible death, as well as dissuade BCH from continuing its well established pattern of such harmful “parentectomies,” I’d have to hit BCH where they appear to care the most, the pocket book and reputation. All other efforts to protect Justina weren’t succeeding and time was of the essence. Almost unbelievably, they kept their donation page on the same public network as the rest of their stuff. Rookie mistake. To take it down, I’d have to knock the whole hospital off the Internet.
I also knew from my career experience as a biotech professional that no patients should be harmed if Boston Children’s was knocked offline. There’s no such thing as an outage-proof network, so hospitals have to be able to function without the Internet. It’s required by federal law, and for accreditation. The only effects would be financial and on BCH’s reputation.",/i>
Politics; n. : A religion whereby man is god.
You're a vandal and the equivalent of someone spray-painting a box car.
SJWs are the new boogeyman. -Me
So which is it? Does she have mitochondrial_disease or does she have somatic symptom disorder?
And how did she end up at Boston Children's Hospital instead of at Tufts where they originally diagnosed mitochondrial disease?
And did the medical team at Tufts consult with the team at BCH at any point? Or did they just wash their hands of the situation?
were they paid?
Are they the correct specialty?
Are they MDs or "alternative" Medical experts?
The state does not believe the Hospital overstepped.
Is there a link on this?
Life time care for what? Did they injury her?
This has less information than Yahoo News.
what impresses me the most about that reatrd helena is how that little piece of shit made me hate star wars now.
everytime I know about someone being shot, I always hope being that crooked retard who stalks me and have a serious daddy issue, or one of her retard friends.
So .... you sure know how to pick 'em!
Seriously - if you ever want to really resolve this issue, take a hard look at yourself and your weaknesses, what was wrong with you deeply and personally that caused you to find such a wretched person attractive/trustworthy in the first place. You'll never get any real satisfaction by hoping some harm will come to him/her. Metaphorically, you could say that such a desire is their own wickedness making a home within you, like any other virus or infection.
That said, I don't think that justifies attacking the hospital electronically or physically; just through legal channels. But the hospital and courts were complete and utter pieces of shit in this case.
It's an interesting situation.
We've long bemoaned our inability to hold people accountable for their actions. Example after example of big, politically well-connected entities seem to get off scott free, and we the people are powerless to do anything about it, nor can we force the government to action.
(HSBC directors not being charged, Wells Fargo directors not being charged, Oracle paying $95 million in services restitution for wasting $240 million, and so on.)
Note that Justina's parents were issued a gag order that prevented them from talking about their problems, and it was only *after* her father broke the gag order that the situation received public attention.
Do we believe that the father should be prosecuted for breaking the gag order? He was justifiably concerned for his daughter's welfare. The hacker was also concerned, and wanted to send a message and perhaps prevent more abuse and tortures.
We all know very well that the democratic process is lost to us - as anyone who voted for Bernie Sanders found out.
How can we condemn the "last resort" actions of any individual trying to bring about just and proper changes?
Where do we draw the line?
Advice never given to female victims of the same.
Like many of you, I'm completely comfortable with turning over the diagnosis and treatment of disease to members of Anonymous. What could possibly go wrong?
I understand that Anonymous is now stating that they have leaked evidence that Alexander Litvinenko actually died of a really bad cold complicated by getting a draft.
You are welcome on my lawn.
decided to kill my little sister because my parents were well-known socialists, I will now never side with the doctors against a child. The CONservative rulers of Seattle hate us and want us to die. That is why I still have dial-up at home. My parents have it a little better since they're allowed ISDN. Again, our rulers hate us which is why they created the Director's Rules.
Advice never given to female victims of the same.
Actually I've just recently been the only real friend to a female whose man was a cheater who treated her like dirt and disregarded several of his responsibilities as a father. I told her similar - that I learned from *my* nasty experience that such a person should never have appealed to me, and the only reason she did is that I had weaknesses. I had no one to explain that to me, I had to work it out by suffering. My advice was understood and well received.
One thing she appreciated is that I treat her like a person, not as a woman. I don't need a woman - I've already got a wonderful one in my life. But being a friend to someone who obviously needs one (AND is mature enough to respect being told the truth without ego-cushions?!) is something else entirely.
So yes I've recently given the very same advice to a female, though once she understood a) that she made choices, and b) that she can also make different choices, I legitimately stopped calling her a "victim". I believed that had happened once I saw her make difficult choices in order to take her own independence back, all on her own. It's the same advice I'd have given to any fellow man, because the dynamics of power really don't discriminate.
Or did it merely allow you to feel superior to some dolts without actually changing anything?
Are you really that basement-bound that you think a hospital will get ready to do something stupid and suddenly pull up and say "hey - hold on here - we could screw this patient into death, but remember, MartyG might go all hacker on us. Maybe we should reconsider that evil thing now."
Hacker, please.
You use the word "we" but you're just a batshit crazy faggot talking about himself.
Just another round in the medicine - nutrition wars where the corporations and State take control of you and your family's lives, and flush them down the tube.
He denied access to important medical information to hundreds of sick children and their parents. These are the actions of a childish sociopath. Punishing the many for the benefit of one is not righteous. It was a self-deluded perception of reciprocity. You cannot claim to be on a crusade when your methods not only harm your target but innocent bystanders, this is called collateral damage. Having sick children, many of them living in extreme pain, as part of your collateral damage is absolutely unacceptable even to underground hackers. There is a moral line that most won't cross but this asshole did and for that I say throw the book at him. Don't let him touch a computer for 20 years.
Good to see the right to due process and a speedy trial has been erased due to Ter'rism and 'Murica.
Can anyone provide any evidence that this girl actually has a mitochondrial disorder? I take care of a lot of very complex mito kiddos, and the really sick ones are attached to drips 24 hours a day.
Something here does not ring true. The only information we have is from the parents and patient, because no one else is talking, due to the law suits. I refuse to draw any conclusions until we know the whole story.
The only thing worse than a Democrat is a Republican.
Who thinks he knows more than specialist medics. Seem to be self-evident example of wiki/Munchausen_syndrome_by_proxy
Hackers are nerds and nerds are antisocial. They hate everybody because Real People shun and isolate them, and rightly so. Therefore they lash out at society like the little shits they are. When you meet a nerd, beat it up until he bleeds piss and publicly humiliate it. Shove it into a dumpster. Brown-swirlie it. It deserves that and more.
when it was happening.
Go look through the archives. They had it up when she was first made a ward of the state and the debate over whether her parents were abusing her was first happening, and again when she was returned.
That said, this sort of medical malpractice is not as uncommon as we would like to believe. The scary part is how often it is covered up, rather than the egotists involved being publicly shamed if not removed from their jobs. The former in many cases would do far more than the latter, especially if combined with scrutiny/oversight of their future actions.
Being a doctor/medical professional is a privilege, not a right. While a minority, some doctors and staff need to be reminded of that regularly or much like other forms of bureacrats they tend to become self-sustaining and begin doing more hard than good.
So instead of something useful, you commit an act of petty vandalism.
If I was thrust into defence of a child like this I would move the proverbial heaven and earth to sort out the situation via the courts and independent experts, and sue for costs later.
But this guy acts like a kid that had his Xbox taken away for not doing his homework? Hope nobody ever really needs his help in any tangible form.
We have a prime example here; the Linux jihad against Microsoft
They do run the world for a reason after all
You only ever hear one side of almost any medical story, because patients (normally for good reasons) have a right to almost total confidentiality. Doctors can say practically nothing about individual cases without the express, written consent of the patient. Obviously this is not going to be given if there is a complaint against the doctor or hospital in question. The patients are at liberty to say anything at all about the case and nobody is able to correct them if they lie or misunderstand things. I've been a medical student and doctor since 1994 and can honestly say I have never seen anyone in the health care sector deliberately harm a patient or encroach on their autonomy without good reason, but obviously hospitals are staffed by fallible human beings and mistakes are made. Most patients are surprisingly understanding about mistakes if you are open and honest with them about what has happened and apologize.
Here's a well researched explanation of what is known about the case.
The hospital can't give their side of the story because of the lawsuit and HIPAA, but it will come out when the case goes to court. What is clear is that the parents are whackos.
There were efforts by the MA DCF early into this case to place Justina in a program located approximately twenty minutes from her home in Connecticut. The program was identified as an appropriate placement to meet Justina's needs and would have been able to provide services for the parents. Unfortunately, the Connecticut program declined to accept Justina because Mr. Pelletier told the program he would sue the program if Justina was placed there.
The family went broke fighting this. You can donate here if you want to help: http://justiceforjustina.com/
Good for him. These people should be stripped of their medical licenses and locked in psych wards.
But why should I take the word of someone who thought it was a good idea to hack a children's hospital?
Do some research on the case
I have. And this is what I concluded: this is a case of zebras vs. horses. That fully explains the motives of the actors in this case.
Medical students are famously taught that when it comes to diagnosis, "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras." In other words avoid making a diagnosis of a rare condition when a commonplace one will do.
There are obvious epistemological problems with this rule of thumb; one is that zebras do, in fact, exist, and in certain parts of the world are more common than horses. The second is that what is a "zebra" is dependent upon your clinical practice. For a clinical geneticist specializing in mitochondrial diseases Munchhausen-by-proxy is a zebra. For a doctor who specializes in detecting child abuse, a severe mitochondrial DNA mutation is a zebra.
Now consider a court that regularly deals with child abuse cases. Which specialist is the judge (who has his own epistemological biases) going to believe? The specialist in obscure genetic diseases, or the one who's been nailing abusers for years?
Dr. Newton, the Children's Hospital lead in this case, is admired by children's advocates in Massachusetts, and is described by some of them in one news story as "a highly respected physician who fearlessly speaks the truth as she sees it." And maybe that's the problem. Maybe playing the heroic role for too long is bad for your judgment, makes you see disagreement as unwillingness to listen.
What I am suggesting is that the error on the part of Children's Hospital here may have come out of the same mindset under which Anonymous operates, one suffused with the warm, affirming glow of self-righteousness. As I've grown older I have learned to recognize that feeling for what it is: a corrupting influence on judgment.
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In the past people would just have gone postal on their asses.
This case occurred about 2 years ago. Their medical experts were not "alternative". In fact, their main physician was the department head of metabolic medicine at Tufts University. So far far from it.
Like "fibromyalgia", which many doctors felt was a non-existent disease. (Which has now been disproven as the cause of many fibro cases has been identified.) The doctor at Boston Children's Hospital did not believe "mitochondria" disease to be real. So he determined that it was all psycho-somatic, that her illness was just in her head. When Justina was brought to the hospital, the mother insisted that she needed a feeding tube. The doctors objected to this, used it in court to argue that the mother was pushing false illness and unnecessary treatments upon her daughter. Oh, they failed to mention that the very next day they had to give Justina a feeding tube.
This became a big toodoo... and the truth is, the state of Mass and Boston Children's Hospital uber fucked up. The issue was, that once they did, they committed fiercely to remaining in their position instead of admitting fault for fear of lawsuits. They essentially moved Justina to a psychological ward, ceased medical treatment, and her health condition plunged.
Also of note, this is NOT the first incident like this on the part of Boston Children's Hospital. They did a similar thing to another parent. The difference was she used to work for Child Protective Services. So they did not substantiate the charges. That parent in fact loss a child because of BCH's actions. A second child developed the same genetic mitochondria disease. And has since done significantly better after have been removed from BCH care and received treatment from the same far more knowledgeable expert at Tufts that was treating Justina.
In other words, BCH is hurting and even killing children by their actions. The sum of it being that egotistical doctors harming children because of their egos.
And that's a damn good thing, since the constantly changing oath is not what you think it is.
The phrase "first, do no harm" does not occur in the oath for example.
In the original oath, and many variants, the primary promise was to keep the knowledge of healing restricted from all but a certain group, and the secondary promise was to do nothing that might harm the reputation of that group, such as surgery or chemical abortion, even if that would mean the patient's death. Instead such cases should be referred to specialists - that is, barbers or witches, who already had a bad rep for killing patients with surgery and abortion.
It's true, look it up. Some of the later versions are more admirable. But there is no canonical Hippocratic Oath, and most (not all) versions contain serious moral/ethical compromises.
I can log on to the clinic I use and check test results and other medical records for me, my wife and my child.
Egos, and it is quite common. More common than you would believe. And this is from nurses and doctors I know.
It is not a single doctor. It is the head of the metabolic department at Tufts University Medical Center. Oh, guess what....this isn't the first incident of this situation at Boston Children's Hospital. The last incident, led to the death of a child. Who's sibling also has the same problem but has done extremely well under the Tuft medical teams care.
It the recipe for liberty.
Of course a hospital doesn't have the authority to do so, that's why they call CPS.
That was way later.....towards the end of the 6 months
WAY WAY WAY LATER...
That was when BCH and Mass CPS were trying to save their asses, and transfer the problem to Connecticut to deal with. But still didn't want to relinquish custody.
As to the mitochondrial disease, it is a new area that is hard to assess. Similar to fibromyalgia.
Justina wasn't the first BCH did this too. Actions toward a prior one cost a mother the life of her child. This isn't to avenge, so much as to raises awareness and inhibit future transgressions against children and their families.
What this was, was a psychologist who interfered in medical treatment of a present diagnosis. Ceased medical case, while patient's condition rapidly deteriorated. And who's objection to parent for giving advice, in fact, said hospital had to within 24 hours do exactly what the parent had stated was necessary based on numerous prior medical experiences.
No, had this been my child. There would of been a lot of dead doctors....
Is allowing the egos of doctors to kill children.
That wonderful expression in Justina's face when she told the reporters, "They were crazy." Priceless. As Professor Zimbardo's research demonstrates, in such tightly knit authority structures, yelling at a naked person in the shower saying, "You cannot be rude!" is acceptable. What they wanted from her was absolute submission and luckily she was rescued in time. I love happy endings.
I hope this doesn't come across as an insult but:
...a THREE digit ID?
1. What do you do for a living?
2. How old are you?
I'm genuinely curious about the background of people who are as... let's say "non-cynical" as you seem to be. I genuinely wish I had the life you've had, such that a story like this seems ridiculously implausible.
If you haven't lived to see one or two spectacular fuckups--I mean of the really tragic sort, not just "the server just went up in flames"--then it's very hard to describe. Let me try anyway:
Upper-middle class people working in a bureaucratic setting is a recipe for a very special sort of refined, extra-powerful fuckups. Yes, the threat of being sued can sometimes cause people to wake up and act sensibly but it just as frequently causes them to double down. If you admit a mistake, you WILL get sued. If you keep ploughing on and the months pass and details get blurry and there's a lot of people involved, people are less likely to focus on you. Plus, the more time these people give themselves the more chances they have of finding evidence that their theories were correct.
This isn't something that happens fully consciously. Most humans lie to themselves all the time (in one way or another) but these are mild to moderately rich, reasonably intelligent, overworked humans who are in public contact positions (and much of those people are very emotional) and red tape all day long.
They are not paragons of introspection, and most of them probably learned a long time ago that the key to success doesn't have anything to do with repeatedly second-guessing their own diagnoses.
I have an undiagnosed stomach condition. After getting an endoscopy (paid for out of pocket, because I didn't have insurance out of the time), the specialist noticed "very mild" inflammation but nothing else. In his report, he gave a diagnosis of anxiety. He said that I was "probably" habitually swallowing air some kind of nervous tic (continuous unexplained belching is one of the key symptoms I was and to an extent still am having, along with occasional bouts of burning pain) and I should go see a psych for antianxiety medicines.
I was flummoxed. I did not walk into his office with an anxiety diagnosis. We didn't discuss mental health at all. And I was pretty fucking sure I wasn't swallowing air out of some kind of goddamn random nervous tic; however, he wouldn't talk to me any more or say anything else after that. And why should he? He knew I was uninsured and thus couldn't afford to pay for a bunch of random tests, and he knew the inflammation was mild enough to hand-wave away as irrelevant, but he can't very well say "nothing is wrong with you".
Doctors are overqualified, overstressed and overworked. Of course, none of us here on slashdot know what actually happened and we should keep an open mind and all of that...
But speaking only as a humble student of human behavior, someone has seen his fair share of Dilbert-esque catastrophes, I'd have to say that institutional incompetence is almost certainly more common than Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.
I would not go with HUFF Post. Anyone cares to get this to the frontpage of internet instead?
http://www.freemartyg.com/reports.html
Or otherwise verify the references.
So, he's going endanger other children over Justina? And this is ok? And the ends justify the means? And everyone here is ok with that?
Please learn to write basic English.
Both children were born before the condition manifested and was identified.