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Trump Opposes Plan For US To Hand Over Internet Oversight To a Global Governance (reuters.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: U.S. Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump opposes a long-planned transition of oversight of the internet's technical management from the U.S. government to a global community of stakeholders, his campaign said in a statement on Wednesday. Congress should block the handover, scheduled to occur on Oct. 1, "or internet freedom will be lost for good, since there will be no way to make it great again once it is lost," Stephen Miller, national policy director for the Trump campaign, said in a statement. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, a former presidential primary foe of Trump's who has refused to endorse the real estate developer, has led a movement in Congress to block the transition, arguing it could cede control of the internet itself to authoritarian regimes like Russia and China and threaten online freedom. Technical experts have said those claims are baseless, and that a delay will backfire by undermining U.S. credibility in future international negotiations over internet standards and security. Publicly proposed in March 2014, the transfer of oversight of the nonprofit Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN, is expected to go forward unless Congress votes to block the move. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton supports the Obama administration's planned transition to a global community of technologists, civil society groups and internet users, according to policy positions available on her campaign website.
When it comes to free speech, I'd still rather them be in charge than just about anyone else.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
He will change his mind 15 times, not even remember what his position was, and probably end up losing the election anyway. Even if he wins the election, we will be too busy dealing with WW3 to care about internet oversight.
The last I'd heard, news fact-checking organizations were reporting that he told the truth 15% of the time. Why would I ever care what the opinion of someone like was?
And don't tell me "because he's going to be president". The people of the United States are still smarter than that.
Bruce Perens.
Trump trumps Trumpees! Trumpets trumped by Trump trump trumpets but only Bernie LUDDITES trump Trump's trumpet. Trumpish trumpy Trump trumps trumply. Trump trumping Trump. Trump!
For example, what happens if I want to access content that another country and/or religion deems offensive to their god?
Are those people now going to have a say in how the internet should operate? Will they be able to prevent me from viewing such content from another country?
As much as I hate to admit it, even with all the stuff going on today, the US is still one of the least fucked up countries on the planet. It worries me what will happen to the internet if everyone suddenly gets their say in how it's operated. And I don't say this as an American either, since I'm Canadian.
Seriously, when you post about any of these idiot politicians, hateful churches, etc. you just give them that much more time in the spotlight and it gets that much brighter for them.
The last I'd heard, news fact-checking organizations were reporting that he told the truth 15% of the time. Why would I ever care what the opinion of someone like was?
And don't tell me "because he's going to be president". The people of the United States are still smarter than that.
Here's one of your news organizations fact checking some things about Donald Trump.
Bruce, I don't know if you've noticed, but the media sometimes misrepresents things. For example, the polls say that 44% of Trumps supporters have a college degree, which the media is quick to point out is less than 50%, so Trump supporters are mostly uneducated.
What they (and you) fail to notice is that the national average for college degrees is 30%, so on average Trump supporters are more educated than the national average. (And here's a reference to the analysis as backing for that statement.)
From that article:
What’s more, Silver found that 44% of Trump voters have college undergraduate degrees, compared to 29% of US adults.
What I don't understand is why Clinton supporters always resort to insults.
I mean, you're especially recognized as being a smart person, yet I don't see you posting a rational reason why Clinton would be a good president.
Set aside that she's not Trump, because there are at least two other candidates, can you point to one thing she's done that has been of benefit to the people of this country? (With links please - don't just make things up.)
Bruce, You're a smart dude.
Can you explain why you need to defend Clinton... with insults?
P.S. - The term "offensive" is used entirely too much recently, but I was honestly offended by your statement. It was an insult, targetting a clearly defined group of people; hence, offensive.
Any questions?
I don't agree with everything Trump wants to do It's pretty obvious to anyone that knows anything Trumps position is way better for the internet than turning it over to an international panel that can start censoring the hell out of it. The U.S. is already not prefect in that regard but they are WAY better than, say, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or North Korea... or China.
The fact is Trump has been demonized beyond belief on so many issues where Hillary is worse... Trump is far less racist than Hillary (just look at past Hillary remarks like arriving late because she was on "Colored People Time"). Trump chose a black woman to win and work with on the Apprentice - sure it's a TV show but she did work for him and supports him, as do a number of prominent black celebrities. Because they knew Trump before the media tried to tear him down.
Trump also wanted to cooler evaluate NATO commitments before taking action, and yet the media portrays him as a warmonger. Why? Because they know Hillary is way more dangerous in charge of the nuclear arsenal, she has actually started wars and would be all to happy to start more to prove how tough she is (and to reward loyal Clinton foundation donors).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The reason the conservatives don't want this is it loses their chance to censor!
Western companies will run the internet. Google, Apple, Microsoft, dare I say PornHub.
They only thrive in an open internet, especially the last. And the last is EXACTLY why Cruz is fighting it. He is lying if he says otherwise.
The corporate states will fight each other, but keeping it open will keep them from being locked out.
Google is taking even because I son't want to support their pedo gang in Rio Grande do Sul, (I thought it was a good idea to make games, but the premise in fact is about having an swiss amy knife of drug retards, you know.. me and my droogs... clock work orange style but...) now Gmail automatically are deletes jobs offerings from any office that is not pedo-retard-google approved, from my inbox. But i've seen worse, trust me. :)
Isn't America getting authoritarian itself, especially the Republican?
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because the mega-corps who run the show want us to. They're afraid Europe, China & India will make their own Internet with blackjack and hookers and they'll have to spend money supporting their apps on 2 different internets. The internet isn't for porn, it's for offloading the cost of your corps communication infrastructure onto the taxpayer.
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Brexit didn't make any sense either, it was a protest vote that was seen as slightly less of a vote waster than totally abstaining.
Nobody thought the Brexit campaign could possibly win, it was entirely beyond the thinkable --- "Don't be daft, we're not that stupid". Unfortunately the protest vote worked all too well, and the sound of jaws dropping is still reverberating around the world.
Hillary and the rest of the establishment are totally deaf to the message "If you make us hate you, we'll protest any way we can." They may regret the outcome.
Any policy director who thinks that ICANN is relevant should be fired. Trump isn't very smart but he should be smart enough to realize that ICANN prioritizes on money above all else. Realizing that he should be well aware that they haven't had any meaningful power or control in a long time. That he managed to find a policy person who can't figure this out is astonishing.
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That's a stupid idea.
I accept a few posters going off the deep end, not reading the copy or just plain not understanding the issues, but practically every post with a score missed the point entirely.
This whole issue is just a boring technical matter. The only reason it is news is that politicians with an axe to grind want to make it so.
ICANN has been running successfully as an international corporation with multinational stakeholders for much more than a decade now. Its one remaining tie to the US is the contract that it has with the Department Of Commerce to manage internet names and numbers. That contract will lapse unless renewed at the end of September and ICANN will then carry on exactly as it has been, except without the theoretical DOC control, the US then becomes a stakeholder like everyone else.
Trump also opposes the TPP. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/p...
Trump and Clinton are lying sociopaths - Trump is an abusive erratic bully and if he feels insulted by a Worl leader if President, he'll what? Threaten to bomb them?
He's got a big mouth and on the World stage being cool headed cunning and know how to play the game on that level is what counts. And in that respect, Clinton is the most qualified to be POTUS.
And I find a Trump supporter criticizing someone for being insulting to him and his fellow Trump supporters to be incredibly hypocritical. You people deserve it - you get what you put out there. And people who support such a person with such poor character should have their own questioned and even condemned.
been there and done. Trump is SO stupid. This issue is dead.
Hillarie's many instances of deeply held racism are easy/ to find if you search just a little.
She's an old white lady from the south, You do the math.
You're literally making the argument that Trump can't be racist because he has black friends.
Since you appear to be too stupid to understand my comment (which is of course to be expected from someone only able to play the race card in place of real argument), it's not that he has black friends and supporters (though that in itself is an indicator) - it's that in actions taken over a long period at times when he was not running for office, he did not act against people based on color (or indeed gender). Real people are judged by actions, not just words or the words especially of others that hate them.
If you are also so stupid as to equate the federal government investigating the actions of a company with the actions of using a nuclear arsenal against another nation; if indeed you are that stupid who can be blamed but yourself, possibly your parents? But you've had long enough to correct any misapprehensions they might have fed you, so your delusions are of your own peculiar brand, or more likely fed to you by the rich eco-chamber that is the modern liberal press and parroting supporters.
With any luck, perhaps time you may be able to think for yourself once more, rather than simply vomited what is fed to you by your masters.
I'll let you have the last word, as the delusional people will chatter on so and I am busy with real work and life.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Who cares? It's ICANN. We just build a new domain system that doesn't have a central naming authority based on blockchain or something. Seriously, the internet blows now because all the domains are taken and every time ICANN creates new TLDs, they either ransom them off and/or it's a land grab by squatters. That system is already broken and garbage. I'd much prefer a proof of work system. Want a vanity domain? Go rent yourself an AWS compute farm for a few weeks.
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America has the best free speech. Better than any other country. We really are great.
(end of Trump simulation)
What's particularly nice about free speech is that when Trump or Hillary are President, I can take out an ad in the paper telling them to go fuck themselves. Oh wait, I can't because the paper won't let me do that. OK, I'll buy time on the local radio and say that. Nope, that would violate the (somewhat imaginary) decency laws that the FCC pulled out of their ass.
As my good Canadian friend would say: _____ can go fuck his hat.
Ted Cruz is wrong about how free speech is censored on the Internet
--some non-American who wouldn't know what he was talking about.
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
How about we do it the other way around? If UN doesn't like ICANN, they can offer their own sanctioned alternative and see how many people would sign up.
I'd rather not give up control of domains from the USA. USA are harbingers of free speech. You're just asking for censorship on just about anything by relinquishing control.
So far I've not been convinced it is broken the way it is except in some abstract aesthetic sense. The old saw generally makes sense, "If it ain't broke; don't fix it." I feel this is one of those instances.
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arguing it could cede control of the internet itself to authoritarian regimes like Russia and China and threaten online freedom.
Is Cruz seriously suggesting that the US is not an authoritarian regime? Or that it is not the most serious threat to online freedom currently?
"Technical experts have said those claims are baseless" and if this was a technical issue that would be worth something. Its not so it ain't.
Trump doesn't know internet from his, from his... from his dog's front teeth (estimated value $133.217.23). (And he wants to bang his daughter, a sentiment I cannot say that I sashre with him.)
"a global community of technologists, civil society groups and internet users" is a list that does not include any governments - authoritarian or otherwise.
This is REDUCING the number of governments who can do harm to the internet - not increasing it. Just because the US has not previously abused this power does not mean we should trust that no future US government would do so. Hell there is a presidential candidate right now who has previously expressed a desire to massively censor the internet - "coincidentally", that candidate is the same one who opposes this move...
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Ohh and look >>>> there are people shooting for that. It's called the Free State Project where nobody wants any stupid government and believes people should take responsibility for their own lives. And the government shouldn't baby everybody or be a nanny state. We shouldn't have to ask permission from the state to start a business or put up some regulation to make us "safer" that in reality 99.995% of the time does little more than keep out competition or funnel profits into some industry's pocket. Lets just get rid of the laws. Open the boarders. Let people compete if they are able. And call it a day. If we don't have government mandated health care, social security, and all the other shit that makes open immigration impossible to fathom we'd be just fine. We'd actually have to compete on the world stage! Ohhh know we can't have that!! Americans are too stupid to compete on the world stage now. Well, lets just throw more money at government schools so we get "smarter". Yea- like that worked. No thanks. I moved to New Hampshire for a reason. I don't want anybody representing me. I want to get rid of the state, including state police (we didn't have state police in New Hampshire until fairly recently, and we still don't have mandatory car insurance here, and guess what we do just fine).
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. It's not like evil dictators throughout history never had *any* good ideas.
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
Trump Opposes Plan For US To Hand Over Internet Oversight To a Global Governance - Slashdot http://m.slashdot.org/story/316535 . . There is tremendous influence and pressure for the #IANATransition of our #IANAStewardship and #InternetGovernance to be transferred to foreign countries and a "community" of wealthy stakeholders .
Urgent - Call your #Senators 202-224-3121 Tell them to PASS the #ProtectingInternetFreedomAct You must act now Deadline 30 September 2016 Is quickly approaching. The internet is one of our most valuable U.S. National Assets !
To remove our internet protection from the safety and control + privacy and cybersecurity of #DNS #ICANN with Our United States #ConstitutionalLaws and #BillOfRights and release it into the hands of those countries that will not honour our laws would be devastating . Once it is transferred we can never get it back!
To continue to maintain our control of the DNS and IANA is of ultimate importance to our National Security . . The internet is one of our most valuable United States National Assets !
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Of course I don't know if Trump is racist or just exploiting racism for political gain, but it's racism.
It's a distinction without a difference. What he actually believes in his heart of hearts is irrelevant. Only his actions matter and his actions are CLEARLY racist.
Look at Detroit. The population there has collapsed from 1.8M in 1950, to less than 700k today. There are vast tracts of empty houses, and abandoned strip malls.
Some clarifications. You are talking about the City of Detroit, not the much larger Detroit Metropolitan Area which is actually what most people mean when they talk about "Detroit". Metro Detroit includes Oakland, Macomb and Wayne counties. Metro Detroit has a population of nearly 4 million. Oakland County is among the wealthiest counties in the USA.
Regarding the "vast tracts of empty houses", many of those are in the process of being torn down and frankly fixing them would be more costly in many cases than building new. You can't simply plunk a bunch of refugees down there because in the spots you are talking about there are no grocery stores, shopping, etc. There also isn't much in the way of nearby jobs - most of the jobs in the area are outside of the City of Detroit or downtown, not in the blighted neighborhoods. It's not a bad idea to encourage refugees and Detroit (city and metro) has been quite welcoming but the project would require more than just plunking a bunch of people down in dilapidated housing with no further support.
This is not a troll, although I understand why some would read it this way.
If Trump wins, the majority of people in Europe would worry that the internet is effectively in the hands of an insane leader and a country that is moving in the same direction as Putins Russia. Europeans will never trust any country that's ruled by a guy like that.
You Americans still treat it like *your* internet. And even though you apparently don't trust any American politicians, you still think it should be them that have control over something as global as the internet is. I'm puzzled.
We already see enormous censorship going on. A communications disruption can mean only one thing... WAR.
Any politician that fails to stnd against this is a traitor to the United States of America, the U.S. Constitution, the American people, and Freedom in general. Such politicians are to be arrested by local law enforcement, and be detained for trial.
Hand it over to the ITU (or similar), and every country should manage its own TLD much like they manage their own phone numbers.
You would not register a domain with the ITU, but with your country's authority.
Trump was right about needing secure borders. Trump was right about Clinton's corruption. Trump was right about the TPP. Trump is right again about ICANN.
I seriously feel for my democrat and liberal friends atm because every argument they've presented has been shot down and put through the shredder. They truly do look like sheeple this election, and that more that wake up the better. You'll be welcome with open arms to admit how wrong you've been.
It's like walking up to a bowl full of Skittles, three of which are laced with poison and being coerced by the gubment to take a handful. Isn't it wiser not to play the stupid game at all? It is not like we can't find immigrants elsewhere, or better yet, ending immigration. We have to be smart. We have to be tough. Trump 2016!
And if you were able to have an open mind and look around, lots of countries you would label as socialist are doing MUCH better than the US. We have free speech and we have capitalism. Free speech is important to the governance of the Internet, but capitalism isn't inherently.
FFS folks, if you still believe everything this buffoon says than you also believe he is against the second amendment since he JUST said part of his national stop and frisk policy would involve taking peoples guns. In his own words:
"They will stop, they will frisk, and they will take the gun away and they won't have anything to shoot with."
You cannot fix everything
If for no other reason, post like this serve the purpose of exposing the true lack of enlightenment of most Slashdot posters. This is a non-issue for anyone with any tech savvy, but slap DJT in the title and it becomes about freedom and kicking out Syrian refugees. If you agree with Trump on this matter, you really don't understand the issue (like him) and probably have no business being here.
If there was an upheaval in Syria, why was it the responsibility of Germany or any European country to take them in? The only ones who had the 'moral' responsibility, if any, would have been Syria's neighbors and the class of countries that Syria is a member of - Arab Muslim countries. In other words, Jordan, which has done a fair deal, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and maybe other countries like Libya, Yemen, Emirates, et al. At least in those countries, the Syrians wouldn't have been in a totally alien environment, and either they wouldn't dare to rape the host countries' women, or if they did, it would be b'cos it would be okay: at least, there wouldn't be the cultural incompatibilities. After one's done w/ Arab Muslim countries, next would come Turkey, a non-Arab but Muslim country to their north. But neither the US nor Europe are either Muslim nor Arab, and none of them owe squat to the Syrians for any reason whatsoever
The Detroit economy needs jobs, not hard workers. When the auto industry started shutting down factories, Detroit fell. Importing more labor, won't fix the problem.
Are you talking about the City of Detroit or the Detroit Metropolitan Area? Detroit City (population ~700K) has seen better times. Detroit Metro (population ~4 million) is doing just fine. Like any big city it has it's good areas and bad. Oakland county just to the north has plenty of jobs and is among the wealthiest counties in the USA. The just just aren't assembly line jobs anymore for the most part. Detroit Metro wasn't hit as hard as places like Flint or the City of Detroit by plants closing/moving because the economy is more diverse.
A major part of the ISIS strategy has been inspiring Muslims in the West to launch terror attacks. If Trump does his extreme vetting and virtually ends Muslim immigration, that would go a long way into eliminating domestic ISIS attacks. And in Syria, if he re-does the alignment to take the US out of NATO and into an alliance w/ Russia against ISIS and other Islamic powers (including possibly Iran), that will be a good thing. As it is, Europe had always been an unreliable ally of the US both during the Cold War and since, so Trump is better off dumping them in favor of Russia. If US and Russia can come together, nothing would be a greater death rattle of Islamic power
Reason Trump supporters said nothing about Irish Catholics then was that Trump wasn't in politics, and so there was no such thing. He himself was a Democrat - was even a Jesse Jackson supporter in 1984, the year that Reagan won all but MN and DC, and so the people who are his supporters today were at that time a mix of Democrats and Republicans.
Also, w/o condoning the IRA or excusing anything they did, one thing that was that was different about them - theirs was a local struggle limited to getting Northern Ireland to secede from the UK and become a part of Ulster/Ireland. The terror attacks that they ran were limited to Britain and Northern Ireland. Since they weren't bombing the US for the sake of making us Catholic or having us replace English w/ Gaelic, they were never in the RADAR of most Americans. Politically, Anglophilic Americans did tend to oppose them, while Irish Americans were mixed - Sean Hannity for instance had debates w/ one former IRA leader over their use of terror.
Very different from Jihadi groups, who want to establish a worldwide caliphate, not only in Muslim countries like Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, but also in non-Islamic countries in Europe, the Americas, Asia and Africa.
Btw, when did the IRA murder any Americans?
This is actually a better skittles analogy than Don's, although even his was good. I once read somebody make a similar analogy w/ coffee. Let's say you were at a seminar, and at the snacks table, you saw 36 cups of coffee all poured out, and someone told you that ONE of those cups was laced w/ cyanide. Would you try ANY of them?
So, ICANN loses centralized control over the DNS system. Big deal.
What would stop a wholly-American-controlled agency from simply establishing a new American-controlled DNS system that overlays the existing infrastructure? Absolutely nothing.
Hell, you or I can do this *right now*, by establishing our own DNS zone and force users within your territory to use *your* DNS root servers instead of those for the larger global Internet. Sure, you'll lack access to the larger global network, but at least you'll have all the control you want.
Originally, he framed it as soviet. Joked that he told Gorbachev that in America, Americans were free to criticize the American president and that Gorbachev replied that in the Soviet Union the citizens were free to criticize the American president too.
You mean like Democrat-run Politifact, Democrat-run FactCheck.org and the Democrat "fact checkers"at the NYT and WaPo?
Point me to the fact checkers that are NOT run by Democrats (or Republicans for that matter) who claim that Hillary lies less than Trump.
For some people, it made their lives better. For most others, it made it far worse
Regime change would have made almost every Iraqi's life better -- except for those who lost employment due to de-Baathification, which was about as justified as the de-Nazification program following WWII -- if not for the insurgency that subsequently arose.
Now, you can argue that we should have foreseen the insurgency. But no one in power, of any political stripe, did.
Think about this little-known fact: prior to the invasion of Iraq, the wargamers' best estimate of how many Americans would die in battles with Saddam's forces was 10,000. This estimate was briefed to the president and Congress. It did not deter Congress from voting for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. That's right: 374 members of Congress, including H. Clinton and J. Biden, felt that 10,000 American lives was an acceptable cost for deposing Saddam.
The wargamers apparently gave no thought at all to a possible insurgency, because they did not produce any estimate of how many would be killed by insurgents.
So we now know their crystal ball was quite inaccurate in two ways. Actual American deaths were: ~110 killed in battles with Saddam's forces; ~4,387 killed by insurgents; 4,497 total.
Objectively, one could argue that 4497, being much less than the 10,000 anticipated deaths, is an indicator of a very successful operation. But since the insurgency steadily generated bad news for about 8 years, the political perception was different. And that is why Joe Biden could get away with saying Iraq was the biggest mistake in American history. (That pronouncement was a pure political hack on Biden's part. He could not have possibly forgotten what was objectively a far bigger mistake: Vietnam, where 58,315 Americans were killed, even while we failed to meet the objective of protecting South Vietnam from invasion by the North.)
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
The media is so wrong on this one that even slashdot is affected. ICANN is just a body that files papers for addresses which is mostly clerical duty. Control of internet traffic is not governed nor controlled by any one body. If anyone decides to take control of the internet by hijacking all DNS servers in the world, someone can just put up a DNS server of their own and it is free again.
Ceding funding of ICANN which is already an international organization with a lot of international employees just make so much sense. Why pay for this when the work should be responsible for it.
I expected more from slashdot.
The Detroit economy needs jobs, not hard workers.
That's why the U.S. should screen immigration applicants, not by race, religion or ethnicity, but on the basis of "do you have a sound business plan that is likely to succeed and create employment for U.S. citizens?"
I'd go so far as to say, the ones with the best business plans -- the Sergey Brins and Elon Musks -- should be not just admitted, but actively recruited.
Some politicians pay lip service to the idea that immigrants enhance our economy, but instead of going after the ones who do (they are not hard to identify), the politicians are content to admit any unskilled person able to walk across the border. How lame.