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FBI Agreed To Destroy Laptops of Clinton Aides With Immunity Deal, Sources Say (foxnews.com)
An anonymous Slashdot reader quotes a report from Fox News: Immunity deals for two top Hillary Clinton aides included a side arrangement obliging the FBI to destroy their laptops after reviewing the devices, House Judiciary Committee sources told Fox News on Monday. Sources said the arrangement with former Clinton chief of staff Cheryl Mills and ex-campaign staffer Heather Samuelson also limited the search to no later than Jan. 31, 2015. This meant investigators could not review documents for the period after the email server became public -- in turn preventing the bureau from discovering if there was any evidence of obstruction of justice, sources said. The Republican-led House Judiciary Committee fired off a letter Monday to Attorney General Loretta Lynch asking why the DOJ and FBI agreed to the restrictive terms, including that the FBI would destroy the laptops after finishing the search. The immunity deals for Mills and Samuelson, made as part of the FBI's probe into Clinton's use of a private email server when she served as secretary of state, apparently included a series of "side agreements" that were negotiated by Samuelson and Mills' attorney Beth Wilkinson. The side deals were agreed to on June 10, less than a month before FBI Director James Comey announced that the agency would recommend no charges be brought against Clinton or her staff. Judiciary Committee aids told FoxNews.com that the destruction of the laptops is particularly troubling as it means that the computers could not be used as evidence in future legal proceedings, should new information or circumstances arise.
Even though the Clintons are complete crooks and disgusting people, Trump is even worse. We need to stop this witchhunt. President Chelsea Clinton will get to the bottom of it when she is elected.
who prosecutes them?
The people who signed off on that deal should be prosecuted.
Talk about Trump!
No no no!
Only Trump! Ignore the hypocrisy and double standards! Yell about false equivalence! No no no!
Gripping first hand account of a user being hunted like an animal in a shanty town in the California desert (long but worth it)
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"A tiny history lesson on Slab City for those that have no idea what it is. I first became aware of it in the Sean Penn directed movie about the life of Christopher McCandless, "Into the Wild". In Alexander SuperTramp's (A name Chris chose for himself) travels around the US before ultimately dying in an abandoned bus in Alaska, he spends time at Slab City.
It was originally an army base, it looks peaceful and loving, a hippie utopia. He visits Salvation mountain. It is a monument right outside of Slab City that was built over the course of 30 years by Leonard Knight. A crazy old Slabber, but full of love like nobody you've ever seen. He built it out of Hay bails covered in adobe, items he found in the desert and covered it in over 300,000 cans of paint, all donated. Leonard has since died and his mountain is a tourist attraction. Without him to do the constant maintenance on his creation, it will slowly crumble to nothing.
I researched the Slabs a bit just out of curiosity. Even thoughhough it is in the damn Imperial desert in California, it has a water source. What I believe to be the Colorado River is redirected along side the Slabs. There is a natural hot spring where these fuckers bathe in each others filthy body stew. There is a makeshift Library, an internet cafe, a bunch of little social clubs you can join and even a hostel for teenage runaways that takes any sort of miniscule donation. There is a church and they actually feed the Slabbers on Saturday's. And of course, there is "The Range". Saturday night's entertainment. A stage set in front of a hundred of the worst condition couches and chairs you'll ever see. Have you ever seen a stained couch on the sidewalk with holes and springs poking out and a "free" sign on it? Well, I assure you it ended up at The Range. Anyway, it's a talent show of sorts. Possibly the only talent it has ever seen was an acoustic song sung by Kirsten Stuart in the movie.
So that's Slab City. The state of California is trying to sell the land and evict all of the squatters, Snowbirds (retirement age RV'ers) tweakers, criminals, hippies and lowlifes. Had I written this before my actual experience there I would have said they are trying to evict the loving hippie commune that just want a simple life and deserve to have this one forgotten piece of desert. But, I've been there and opinions change. So, I figured if I ever want to check out this place before it is sold or Salvation Mountain crumbles to dust, now is the time.
That's why I went. Just to check it out, camp for a week or so...maybe longer if I liked the vibe. I had enough supplies to last me and my dog for months. Now on with my horror story...
I left on 11/3/15 at 7am with my trusty road dog named Cooper. He is an Italian Greyhound/Pit bull mix. I wanted to get there as fast as possible. New Hampshire to southern California, just over 3000 miles in a Honda Civic with NO radio. I only stayed at 2 Motels long enough to get a full night sleep and took a 3 hour nap at a rest stop. There isn't much to say about the entire length of the US when you're rushing through it. I arrived at Slab City on 11/6/15 at 9:30pm having spent only $300 on gas, not bad at all. Being so late at night and as dark as I've ever seen, I had no idea where to go. I didn't want to infringe on someone's established site. I drove down a dirt road that could shake the bolts loose on your car. I saw a spot I could pull in with nobody around. I got out and looked into the darkness and filled Coopers bowls with food and water. I was expecting to hear people, maybe rowdy people or talking or music, something. It was completely silent, at 9:30pm. NOTHING. I then realized that I am making a lot of noise when A flashlight came on in the distance. I've been opening and
No citizen would get this treatment unless they are well connected and have high powered lawyers. Prosecutors load up the charges on the "regular people" to ensure you don't go to court and they have something to convict you with.
They FBI got hamstrung by the DOJ - hopefully one day a whistleblower will come forward - but it will be long after Clinton is out of office if they're smart.
stop all of the conspiracy garbage since there's no more evidence.
This. This issue has been put to bed for good.
...even if there actually is some wrongdoing at the bottom of this pile of press releases, Clinton is still the more ethical candidate in November.
That said, the pile of press releases goes back two decades and hasn't found much of anything that holds up to any scrutiny so far.
America desperately needs a second political party, so that those frustrated with the state of the Democratic Party don't have to waste their votes on an empty protest candidate.
I mean, Hail Clinton!
At first the immunity deal for Combetta was for destruction, to get him to talk to the FBI after using BleachBit on the server. This is unusual, because he could already have been prosecuted for this since an order was issued which doesn't allow for this. Clinton and her people asked him to do this, which means they could also be prosecuted. Furthermore, I'm genuinely confused why the other 4 immunity deals were offered. Were the 4 others granted immunity because they had a hand in the private server, or were they offered because the DOJ was looking out for them? I'm also confused why they fucking include a provision to destroy laptops (that apparently weren't subpoenaed or seized via warrant like in every other case) as intense scrutiny of this case is going on and Congress is attempting to force further investigation even though the DOJ and FBI are trying to stonewall it.
There's just too much smoke here for anyone to claim that there isn't a fire.
Still a better candidate than Trump.
...in submitting posts as an AC. We all recognize your style, roll our eyes at the bigoted and desperate moron, then we move along.
How the f do I block stories with 'politics' as a tag because I'm sick and tired of one bullshit story after the next.
Bye!
Can't wait to see the followup story linked to Breitbart! WTF, Slashdot?
I don't get it, isn't that the trade-off? Essentially it's a deal to make the techie's life less risky in exchange for more info about Mrs. C.
But from another perspective, that doesn't mean everyone is equal in the eye of the law: the pawn gets a deal so that the queen can be nailed?
I agree that high-ranking officials deserve more scrutiny, but it does go against "equal justice" to slide on the pawn in order to get at the queen.
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Clinton is ahead in the polls and there's not much time left, so Slashdot is DESPERATE to put out as much anti-Hillary propaganda as possible.
The forensics would have been done on a cloned HD anyway:
"Sure we'll destroy the original, but the chain of evidence will clearly link the contents of this HD back to the original HD and implicate you if anything actionable appears in it."
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Clinton is the "stay the course" candidate, and Trump is the "make changes" candidate.
A bit over half of Americans are on the brink of poverty, so a lot of people are looking for things to change.
The other slightly-less-than-half people think things are going pretty well, and don't want anything to change.
Add to this the fact that corporations don't want changes that benefit the American people because of the expense, a media that feeds on emotional investment (for advertizing clicks), and a political party that uses emotional involvement and guilt to gain support (refugees, illegal immigrants, and so on) and you have the situation of today.
Half the nation is hurting badly with no end in sight, the other half thinks that any change whatsoever would be bad for their personal selves.
Even though the Clintons are complete crooks and disgusting people, Trump is even worse. We need to stop this witchhunt. President Chelsea Clinton will get to the bottom of it when she is elected.
The problem with this statement is that it's hollow - there's nothing to back it up. Trump isn't worse, at best he's an unknown.
Trump has been called a narcissist, which is probably fair, but a narcissist is exactly who would make the best president. The one thing that matters most to Trump is his brand.
Trump wants to be the best president in the last 100 years, and if possible the best one ever.
Everything about him points to that one aspect: he wants to win, he wants to be the best at everything.
He's stated in so many words that he wants to change things for the betterment of the people.
Clinton just wants to stay the course.
Wow, you're an idiot. To stop the investigations, we have to destroy the evidence...? Say what? If there was nothing to investigate there would be no need to worry about destroying anything.
Are you a paid Hilary shill?
This is mind blowing.
ALIEANS!
Another consultant who stuck it out.
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How the f do I block stories with 'politics' as a tag because I'm sick and tired of one bullshit story after the next.
Is this bullshit?
I thought bullshit meant something "not true". I know that trust in journalism has fallen recently, but do you really think the things stated in the article aren't factual?
At the very least, it shows that IT professionals who might be offered immunity can ask for concessions.
Given the number of IT professionals who read this site, that might make the article of interest to a lot of people.
Or are you complaining because it puts Clinton in a bad light?
I'm surprised that there's not a prop bet for this, with an over /under for the number of mails, or number days before...
This immunity deal makes zero sense, unless you're a Clinton. Zero. Why destroy evidence?
...that's no suspicious at all!
I just hope that enough citizens will realize that the Founding Fathers came up with this whole "elections every 2-6 years" notion for a reason. Would YOU please help me in voting against every sorry ass criminal holding office currently or formerly? There shouldn't be more than mebbe a small handful of incumbents remaining come 2017, and they'd better have a damned solid history of exposing and opposing the big $ corruption taking over OUR lives.
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Why not just image the laptop's hard drive? and if needed to go back to further investigate just put the image back but in a virtual machine. Regardless of laws, religions, whatever ideology people will always be people(corrupt) no matter what.
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It's because the strategy of the Left is not to have a debate at all. It's to attempt to silence voices that trigger them. The safe-space mentality is a disease, and it is a disease entirely of the Left.
They don't want to hear about flagrant violations of the law. They don't want to hear about secret meetings on airport tarmacs. They don't want to hear about the hilarious lack of evidence for "Russian" involvement in the DNC hack, or the murder of a young staffer. ("It was a mugging!"). They don't want to hear about tens of millions of "donations" from the banking cartel to the Clintons. They don't even want to notice the bizarre disconnect of calling themselves populists, while the working class sides with Trump. They don't question our supposed "moral" reasons for being in Syria while a million are dead in South Sudan. It goes on and on. These people really are crazy. They practice selective attention at a pathological level. You could present them with a live video of Clinton murdering babies and they would blame the Russians, the Deplorables, White Supremacists and other figments of their imagination.
But like the Brexit vote, they will be utterly shocked (shocked, I tell you) when their little echo chamber implodes at depth.
Manipulated data and manipulated media don't actually change reality. But shhh. Don't tell them that.
They'll just accuse those slinging facts and evidence as "conspiracy theorists", "racists", "mom's basement dwellers", "elitists", "new Right" or any other nonsensical name they can come up with in order to avoid recognizing the truth. And the truth is, that Clinton is a deeply corrupt, corporatist neocon, with a 100% neocon foreign policy, and an anti-populist domestic agenda.
That makes the FBI complicit in Clinton's crimes. Destruction of evidence is a felony.
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The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
I now know /. has gone to shit for sure. There is no real news on Fox News, only alt-right theories stated as facts.
You must be new everywhere
Cool, so this didn't happen?
The Deal is testify and we will not charge you with a crime.
They gave the FBI what they asked for.
Their Lawyers that they paid Money to to understand the deal add what I assume is a standard clause to protect the clients that paid them money.
Just because they did not find the smoking gun that Fox promised you for 4 years does not mean a conspiracy.
Why not ask Fox why they lied to you that "their sources" found something.
Just do not Post on the "News for Nerds" Site that you do not know why old computers are wiped or destroyed.
Since this story is complete B.S., I thought I'd take this opportunity to talk about the Linux kernel. 4.8 . It's newly released, and I downloaded it and built it using the default configuration. It seems to work pretty well right out of the box. It's nice that when the biggest story in the news is Trump, Trump, Trump, you can still get some good Open Source software, build it, and do something useful with your computer. I'm really looking forward to Trump becoming the Biggest Loser in a few more weeks and going on with our collective lives.
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This email thing is nothing. Colin Powell and most of the Bush administration used private email servers to avoid scrutiny. This is just a witch hunt... just like Benghazi and Whitewater and a bunch of other "scandals". GOP is desperate... they got nothing. They are going down the tubes. It's fun to watch.
I have just one word for Trump... LOSER!
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
"Back in 2007, the White House "lost" more than five million private emails. The story was barely covered"
Yes, Hillary should not be investigated with any damning evidence whatsoever. She will help heal the country and show us what true change is. If she doesn't, our only hope will be a corrupt businessman with tax-evading skills and courage. I don't think Putin will ever stop with his armies of hackers that are trying to destroy Clinton and her people, but with some more media coverage and PhD-holding posters, I'm pretty sure we can show the country what smart people are all about.
If I want to unload obsolete technology, I've got to take time off work and drive through some seedy neighborhoods to the recycling center. Next time, I'll just make a deal with the FBI - I'll bet they pick it up too.
I will vote for Trump.
Nearly all of those things apply to Clinton as well. She too dodged taxes, offended nearly everyone, changed positions on e.g. TPP (not to real, of course, just to get elected). And then there are a number of more serious offenses (influence peddling, mishandling of classified info, lying to the FBI, to name just a few) for which any normal person would be in prison already.
That's not how conspiracies work.
In 2016
Seriously.
Get a fracking life.
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No, Clinton isn't learning from her mistakes. She looks at the polls and says the public says this is a mistake, so I'll say it is a mistake to win their approval. She has shown zero interest in understanding why any of her so-called mistakes were mistakes.
Did they also promise not to make forensic copies of them first? If they did would you believe them?
Trump doesn't publicly admit to mistakes. I don't go out of my way to make my faults known. I learn about why mistakes are mistakes and move on. Actually I do too much revealing to others when I made a mistake that had nothing to do with them and see others doing it that I've coined a saying: "Just because you've done something stupid, doesn't mean that you have to tell everyone about it." Trump just doesn't let his mistakes affect his public image.
I've heard that a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Trump, from the Clinton camp. I've heard that a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Clinton, from the Trump camp. And a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Gary Johnson. It's the best deal on the market, three votes for one!
While that is rhetorically amusing, the reality is that for most people, their presidential vote is unimportant, and vote for a third-party candidate is entirely appropriate as a mechanism to encourage further political discussion in our country--although they should pay more attention to their local races.
But for people who live in swing states, they have the opportunity to influence the election at almost no cost to themselves, and they give that up if they vote for a third party. "Vote Gary Johnson" should not be treated with the dogmatic purity of "Goto considered harmful."
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It's actually worse to destroy the laptop than to slaughter thousands of puppies, because puppies are cute meat-sacks while laptops are a record of government undertakings that people can go to to a limited extent to confirm or deny the reality of what people acting as the government actually did.
Ethics is not a scalar value you can put people's ethics on. I have several different ethical principles that all of the candidates score differently on. When my family votes they use all of them with which to weigh their decisions.
I don't know much about the names of places in the Middle East region, but they really aren't necessary to know the issues involved. Not presidential material, indeed!
Well, you see kiddo, when the laptop contains evidence of crimes against human beings, perhaps even crimes resulting in the unnecessary loss of human, and perhaps even other animal life, then things start to look a little different. If destroying that laptop in no way obstructs justice, then sure, you have a point. The reactions here reflect a concern over the possibility that the destruction did obstruct justice. Troll on monkey.
I rate ethics on a multivariable scale. Hillary's personal enrichment is a necessary evil in the evil of government as outlined by Thomas Hobbes, who was unaware of the necessary consequences of what he was describing. He tried to include elements into one governing entity that couldn't possibly coexist. Hillary's fault that matters to me is that she avoids any attempt to provide a narrative for her actions. I don't believe her strategy is the best way forward and she absolutely fails to account for her tactics.
So I'm not here to defend Clinton by any means, but holy crap have you been binging on the Trump kool-aid?
Okian Warrior admitted to making "provocative" posts a few months ago. IOW, he's been trolling for the summer.
I can verify that. Completely true.
Evidence to this is a change in your behavior, right?
that way if Trump wins there is no evidence left to prosecute. The mounting list of crimes is just astounding.
Didn't read the article, did you? The laptops' data relating to the investigation is not to be destroyed. For security reasons, however, OTHER data is to be destroyed, rather than leaving it lying around 'in custody' for an indefinite period of time. There is no grounds for a search of 'everything' on those drives, and no search warrant covering the incidental information that would be erased. So, the Justice department doesn't care (and, absent this kind of agreement, could be careless in handling the hardware). The 'erase-afterward' agreement is sensible.
Slashdot will still shill for the criminal Hillary.
Well, I don't see Trump attempting to launch a second airline or steak company or university, so it's not like he's repeating his mistakes. Whereas, Clinton only acknowledges "mistakes" that are mistakes in the public eye, but continues the evasive behavior that were the hallmarks of the embassy and server mistakes. Her evasiveness is the most egregious mistake I think she continues to make.
There are no "tax-evading" skills here. When you have a capital loss, Form 1040 Schedule D allows you to carry it forward and use it against future capital gains. It's very common standard procedure, which nearly everyone who's had net stock market losses in a year has used. Not only are you permitted to do this, it would be dishonest and probably illegal to do otherwise, because you'd be perjuring yourself on an income tax form.
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Yes... there is no more evidence since it has been destroyed. How and when have you become the supreme ruler of the obvious? Unless I missed that your post was sarcasm... if so /apologies.
Don't need a search warrant for the government to take back its own property from employees, or to retain any and all information stored on a "For Official Use Only" laptop.
There's no excuse for wiping the data. This is a straight forward example of either being terminally incompetent (as in, should be fired terminal) or criminally complicit. Either way, no one important is going to take the hit.
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but with any sense, disc images would have been made...
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Sorry, but this is completely false, as it does not match the GP's preconceived idea about what has happened.
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I'm positive it can't be from the USA. Only a banana-republic would allow these kind of "deals".
...not laptops. Old hardware can still put into useful service.
I think those emails are still floating around the darkweb :)
I can't help but wonder if FBI made sure that everybody within the scope of the investigation didn't have a reason to snitch on maybe all the others.
So I am wondering if one of them was to talk, maybe everybody would be in trouble.
I keep hearing and reading all about this case and clearly the FBI was not the FBI in doing this investigation. You don't grant so much immunity unless you have a much bigger target. What's more troubling is the left controls the media, has had significant influence in government and has tried very hard to demonize the right.
What people should be concerned about is that this kind of influence and control is what's dangerous and it's not the Donald Trump's of the world who are evil. It's the Hillary Clinton's who are above the law and can do as they please without threat of punishment. Be careful what the devil calls evil.
Sorry, no. Personal enrichment is NOT a "necessary evil." There are plenty of politicians that don't exit their office with 9-digit bank accounts.
She might be the most corrupt politician since Nixon, and that's really saying something.
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Comey is boning and licking split for Hillary DoJ God.
Yes, the source matters. But the content matters more.
If the story is factual, it is deeply troubling.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
Why destroy evidence?
Because there is a greater than zero chance of a political shift in the Department of Justice come January. Should that happen, they wouldn't want to have the ability to actually indict and prosecute, would they?
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What happened is not normal (i.e. everyone gets to do this). Real estate developers have a special callout in the tax code (see: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cf...) because they have paid off the Congress. The result is that qualified "real estate professionals" with certain other qualifications get to take 'net operating losses' that non professionals do not. NOL is not the same as capital loss.
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None of that means it was improper for Trump to take the write-off, or for the tax code to include it. If you have a business in a volatile market (pork bellies, solar panels, real estate, whatever) and lose $500k your first year but make $1M the next, should you have to pay taxes on $1M or just on the $500k net profit? (Example cribbed from Megan McArdle, who has more insightful observations on the topic.)
and CIA agreed to kill couple of witnesses as part of the plea bargain deal, no biggie.
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I hope Hillary dies.
He doesn't seem to recognize his mistakes at all. After that unhinged Twitter rant against a former Miss Universe, the following morning he called up Fox news for a phone interview. The hosts carefully avoided talking about his lunacy, so he brought it up himself. The look on their faces is priceless.
If he is that bad at managing his own image and recognizing when to shut up, how is he going to do in international negotiations or when trying to get his own adopted party to agree to his nonsense?
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... then compare them to Shrillery's crowds... if you actually get to see them on the MSM.
And you still believe the JEWISH media's lies about the polls showing the candidates as being neck and neck?
stop all of the conspiracy garbage since there's no more evidence.
Because the world just stopped with the "conspiracy garbage" when Lee Harvey Oswald was shot, right?
Needless to say, the act of physically destroying evidence tends to shine a light directly back on the issue at hand. The truth is being buried here, and that's hardly something hidden in conspiracy or leaving us theorizing as to why it's happening.
This reads like satire.
Politics are not law is why. Asmuch as you might want everyone to chase every internet post that that you think favors your side that is called oppression not freedom of a nation of laws. MK
among green & libertarian. Green are just impractical wide eyed fools likely to cause the same sort of problems Chairmen Mao did with his great leap and Libertarians will just create a dystopian out of the power vacuum the Mega-corps rush in to fill when they tear down the gov't (ya know all those burdensome regulations got passed for a reason besides making libertarians mad, right?).
I wouldn't mind seeing a parliamentary system like Canada. But barring that I don't see any options. Keep in mind our system of constitutional gov't was designed to create stability for wealthy landowners so they working class wouldn't take their land and money away. The fundamentals (e.g. our constitution) are busted, but since you're taught to revere the constitution in grade school while you're mind is young and vulnerable you're pretty much stuck.
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Murdoch you are a moron. foreign entities dont have to live with the aftermath so say anything true or not.
Federal election committee thinks this is treason and wants it stopped.
After this election they wont be allowed to Murdoch and any other country wanting ti influence our elections wont have an open platform lie fox to do it.
Let's ask Seth Rich what he thinks about all this. No, wait. He is dead. God damn it.
it always has been
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You guys are speculating out of your ass. You ain't no fucking lawyers. Go ahead and mod me to oblivion for telling the goddam truth: they are guessing; eat it!
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...the 22 MILLION emails lost by the Bush Administration?
Seriously, this fucking witch-hunt over Benghazi is a joke and a distraction from reality. It's like everyone forgot about the 3000+ service members who died in a war started under suspicious circumstances, or the fact that Congress has completely disregarded their obligations to hold confirmation hearings on a Supreme Court nominee.
We're doing exactly that the GOP want.
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"Mr. Pagliano told investigators, he approached Ms. Mills to relay State Department concerns that the private server might pose a "federal records retention issue." According to Mr. Pagliano, Ms. Mills told him not to worry about it, because other secretaries of state had used similar setups."
If that's the case, then she didn't understand or know the distinction between an outside service and a personal server. (It actually makes no difference from a legal standpoint, but I'm looking at the "lie" claim here.)
An AOL "technician" and a personal server technician perhaps would be no different to her. She didn't "see" either. I work with non-IT people all the time that wouldn't understand that distinction unless explicitly and carefully explained.
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OMG, I have a hangnail! Better amputate! At the neck!
Seriously, destroying the entire laptop? Why not just replace the drive?
In the future a GOP president will try to fire these corrupt turkeys, but then the media will tell us they are "politically motivated firings".
And can't disobey the media, right?
Suddenly conservatives are "bothered" by influence peddling. What changed, you Citizens-United-ruling huggers?
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Sigh, but most people aren't taking losses for borrowed money that the banks wrote off. Which is exactly what it appears that Trump did. Had a good explanation on the news the other day. Trump finances a new building. Puts in 1 million of his own money and borrows 99 million from a bank. Project goes no where and the $100 million is lost. Bank writes off $99 million. Trump writes loses $1 million but declares a loss of $100 million on his taxes legally. So he is offsetting personal income with losses he didn't actually have personally. All legal at the time, but shady as hell in my opinion.
Conspiracy garbage? Really? You don't think there's a conspiracy here?
Dude, seriously, get yourself a psych eval. You're suffering the worst kind of mental illness: liberalism.
Not speaking about your mistakes is one thing. Doubling down on the stupidity you might say is quite different. Trump has done this repeatedly and acts like he should be admired for doing so.
I don't mind people making mistakes. But going all in on the mistakes is just insane.
It's just SOP, nothing to worry about.
The laptops were used by the attorneys that filtered through Hillary's emails to determine which were personal and which were not.
These attorney's also used them for other clients.
Turning the laptops over would be a violation of attorney-client privilege and would have the potential to greatly damage those other clients and the attorneys reputation.
So, the relevant data was copied off the laptops and the laptops were then destroyed to prevent the possibility of that happening.
Have you actually watched or read the transcript of the entire interview, or did you stop at "What's Aleppo?" He got clarification, then went on to give an intelligent answer. It was the first question on foreign policy after a discussion of American politics and the viability of third parties. A lot of people might be momentarily confused by the context switch. You may choose not to believe him, but he later tweeted out that he thought he was being asked about something like ALEPO, some acronym for a law or treaty he wasn't familiar with.
No presidential material, indeed was meant in the sense that it was contemptuous to think that he wasn't presidential material simply because he might be bad with names.
Brothers and sisters to the south, I have been watching... I gotta say, this is the weirdest political thing i've seen in my life, yes even weirder than the blowjob fiasco in the 90's.
You are forced to choose between a weird tycoon with no experience and a bizarre temperament, and a Warhawk democrat who by our standards would have been tossed out of government over the e-mail thing.
Im having a hard time making a canadian version of your election... im guessing Dennis Oleery from dragons den as trump vs... somebody ive never seen in Canadian politics as Clinton. A pro-war Olivia Chow?
Giant douche meets turd sandwich. Seriously, y'all need to look at a 3rd candidate.
What's mind blowing is giving people immunity - and in the deal specifying that they can't testify before Congress - and then filing no charges but keeping the immunity deal intact.
It's not just unusual - it's simply not done. It violates every principle of the constitution and the purpose of immunity. You can't give someone immunity and dictate they have immunity from congressional oversight... And if you give someone immunity and then there is no crime, then they didn't commit a crime either, and the immunity is lifted.
It's not a "conspiracy theory" to understand why this was done. Obama was communicating with Hillary using a pseudonym, all communications made by the President are, by definition secret. If this was every publicly acknowledged in a court of law Hillary would be finished, and Obama's legacy would be destroyed, it would be hard for die hard Democrat ideologues to go against impeachment proceedings. It was done for the good of the country, which sometimes means we all get fucked... In the end the voters will decide in November.
The conspiracy is a willing media who isn't doing their job, but that's old news.
Murphy was an optimist
When Clinton was Secretary of State, she liked what the TPP was turning into. Years later, when she'd been out of the negotiation process, she didn't like what it had turned into.
The FBI did not recommend criminal prosecution for negligence with classified materials, because people who do that sort of thing are not criminally prosecuted. If you disagree, please give me the name of one person who was similarly negligent and faced serious criminal prosecution.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Kristian Saucier
There is no grounds for a search of 'everything' on those drives,
Actually there is grounds to search for evidence pertaining to the illegal destruction of the server's data by Hildog and company. What was said after the fact to cover up these acts? Maybe there was incriminating evidence that they had been in touch with the FBI to cover all this up. Now we will never know.
I deal with digital evidence everyday does this case mean that I don't have to worry any more if I delete evidence? If I delete data am I covered with immunity? So its now ok for me to delete evidence say in a rape case and let the rapist go free?
as if it were news?
Rounds and rounds of bluster about a conspiracy which even Trey Gowdy has no evidence to support, and we know how little HE needs to declare "victory over Hillary"
HEY! BE sure it was not one of MY stolen laptops and the AIDE got it *somehow*!!! This is serious, last important one was stolen on last Monday 13.
The ability/necessity to reap financial benefits does not begin at the 9 digit mark. Sure, not all are as successful, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening to various degrees. If it wasn't, that might be a news story.
There are still pending lawsuits and congressional subpoenas for the information on those computers, and the Obama admin made a sneaky side deal with Clinton people (therefore: members of the Obama admin) to put a legal veneer on the act of having the Democrat FBI destroy the records of the Democrat defendants to help .
Oh fuck you! You guys started it. Why are we refusing to debate? A: because you guys refuse to budge. Don't like something? Not gonna have a vote and piss us off more and we'll defund the whole fucking government! Oh and we hate you guys so fuck your nominee for Supreme Justice. B: we have debated over and over and over and over again. You guys won't listen. We're tired.
Lynch resigned in 2001 to join the law firm of Hogan & Hartson. This is the same law firm that represented the company, MXLogic. MXLogic was the company Hillary first used to set up her private email server and account. Executives from this law firm have also donated to the Clintons.
At the end of the day, how do we have Lynch, previously appointed by Bill Clinton and former employee of the law firm that is connected to Hillary's email scandal, in charge of the investigation into Hillarys email scandal, with the lead investigative agency led by a man who twice investigated the Clintons and both times found them not guilty of wrongdoing, also appointed by the current U.S. President, who appointed Lynch, who is Comey's boss?!? And Comey and Lynch have known each other for decades as well.
How was this investigation to have ever been legitimate????
I can't see politico.com through the wall here, and typing that name into Wikipedia is futile. Could you tell me what you're trying to say? It would help if you cited a more reliable-appearing source.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Accessed it at home. It's about a sailor that took a picture in a "classified engine room", which is intentionally doing something against the law, as opposed to Clinton's negligence. The dividing line between felony prosecution and no prosecution appears to be whether the act is intentional or a result of negligence, and not what classified material is involved. Clinton had no intention of leaking classified material. Saucier's phone, with the classified picture, was found in a dump (the article didn't say whether it was military or civilian), which suggests no particular care in making sure the picture didn't get into the wrong hands, and that's what kicked off the investigation.
It may well be that taking pictures in classified areas is common aboard submarines, and is handled administratively (although you'd think being demoted one rank would be something of a deterrent), and if the case had started before there was any possible dissemination, and Saucier had fessed up, it seems likely that he'd have been demoted or something. The fact that he destroyed evidence can''t have helped him either.
So another case of criminal intent vs. negligence. Nothing new here.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Trump is like Ronald Reagan - a bigoted media figure who claims to be able to return everyone to the golden age. "No new taxes" and "wealth will literally trickle down into your mouth" Reagan said (Google trickle down+Reagan) while he then raised taxes on the middle class, lowered them for rich people and then ignored AIDs as a moral disease and waged a dirty war with legally elected governments AKA democracies. All in the name of ideology and a belief in wealth and astrology. This is the same kind of rhetoric Napoleon Hill uses in his book "Think and grow rich" - adopted by new agers and preachers alike - the secret being "if you think it, it will come" Just like a Horatio Alger book. Trump university was an outright scam. Read the play books - http://static.politico.com/25/88/783a0dca43a0a898f3973da0086f/trump-university-playbook.pdf
I. Oils go on but you little people bore me.
Why isn't there more outrage? The FBI is aiding and abetting criminals and destroying evidence that future prosecutors could use against them. All this in an attempt to elect a traitor, serial liar and crook to the presidency. History books will remember these as dark times, because supposedly good people stood by and did nothing.
Note that it was Bill Clinton who wanted that tax loophole for his rich, property-owning friends.
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
The dividing line between felony prosecution and no prosecution appears to be whether the act is intentional or a result of negligence, and not what classified material is involved. Clinton had no intention of leaking classified material... So another case of criminal intent vs. negligence.
So you're saying that the difference is that Saucier intended to break the law, and Clinton was negligent? Interesting, because the actual law says that negligent conduct is sufficient for it to be a violation of the law. (Let's leave aside just how possible it is to negligently set up a series of six Exchange servers.)
Saucier's phone, with the classified picture, was found in a dump (the article didn't say whether it was military or civilian), which suggests no particular care in making sure the picture didn't get into the wrong hands, and that's what kicked off the investigation.
It may well be that taking pictures in classified areas is common aboard submarines, and is handled administratively (although you'd think being demoted one rank would be something of a deterrent), and if the case had started before there was any possible dissemination, and Saucier had fessed up, it seems likely that he'd have been demoted or something.
I'd double check the article. The investigation kicked off when Saucier turned himself in.
The fact that he [Saucier] destroyed evidence can't have helped him either.
Dude, you're replying to a Slashdot article titled "FBI Agreed To Destroy Laptops of Clinton Aides With Immunity Deal, Sources Say." It really hurts your efforts to correct the record when you show so little self awareness.