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Study Finds Little Lies Lead To Bigger Ones (go.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ABC News: Telling little fibs leads down a slippery slope to bigger lies -- and our brains adapt to escalating dishonesty, which makes deceit easier, a new study shows. Neuroscientists at the University College London's Affective Brain Lab put 80 people in scenarios where they could repeatedly lie and get paid more based on the magnitude of their lies. They said they were the first to demonstrate empirically that people's lies grow bolder the more they fib. The researchers then used brain scans to show that our mind's emotional hot spot -- the amygdala -- becomes desensitized or used to the growing dishonesty, according to a study published online Monday in the journal Nature Neuroscience. And during this lying, brain scans that show blood supply and activity at the amygdala decrease with increasing lies, said study co-author and lab director Tali Sharot. "The more we lie, the less likely we are to have an emotional response" -- say, shame or guilt -- "that accompanies it," Sharot said. Garrett said he suspects similar escalation factors happen in the "real world," which would include politics, infidelity and cheating, but he cautioned that this study was done in a controlled lab setting so more research would be needed to apply it to other situations. The study found that there is a segment of people who don't lie and don't escalate lies, but Sharot and Garrett weren't able to determine how rare those honest people are. It also found that people lie more when it benefits both them and someone else than when they just profit alone.
Study find millennial proverbs to be actually true...
next new study 80% of congress lies!
Yes! We can go back to simple product feature marketing.
Nah, they had to exclude her from the study, her readings were off the chart...
I was thinking the same.
Lies like the whole leaving the airplane under sniper fire sounds nice, but is so easy to discover the truth and the realization of the lie of that you fail to see any point to the lie, ditto for there not being any classified info on her server (both a pair of many).
I guess this means her next big one will be "no, we are not going to war with Russia if I win"
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Researchers discover that people become better and more comfortable at activity with more practice.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
It's known as the Costanza Doctrine - "it's not a lie if you believe it to be true".
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...and she voted for the Iraq War. Donald Trump did not vote for the Iraq War, was against it, and said so. I hear people have tapes of Donald Trump saying he was for the Iraq War. It's all fabrications, all lies. Donald Trump does not tell lies. Donald Trump is a very honest person, very decent person. The best. The best. And all these people faking audio tapes, making all these fraudulent, phony, tapes, are all linked to Hillary's campaign rigging the election. All these people coming out of nowhere, saying "Trump, even though I never met him, he was for the war, I heard him say so on the radio." No witnesses. All lies. It's a huge scam, people, a huge scam. Donald Trump exhibits only a narrow subset of normal human behaviors which does NOT INCLUDE PATHOLOGICAL LYING but does include referring to himself in the third person- that makes me smart.
This explains those foundations created for the public good but ending up serving the well-fare of a single family and increasing the balance of a Swiss bank account.
Big lies lead to politics!
I consider myself to be on the Autism Spectrum scale. When I tell stories I want to be detailed; but I have learned that people don't want the full story and prefer summaries. Summaries so short that I more or less have to reinvent the scenario in order to get my point or question out and paid attention to. Since it's not the complete truth; it's a lie. But I want to tell the complete truth but people don't want to hear all the details and angles. It's a profound discrepancy in human communication that I have adapted to; the lie that communicates the essential but not exact truth. Is it a lie when people want/expect you to actually do it?
Lying isn't black and white. You have to interpret how much and what information a person is looking for. You are then lying only when you know what information a person is looking for and if they would care about the inaccuracy of the statement.
This might possibly make some sense of my general view that I have about lying, which is that it's not quite as simple as "honest people" and "dishonest people". I'm sure there are some people who are truly dishonest, in that they've thought very clearly about what the truth is and are being intentionally deceptive. However, I know a number of people where I'd be more inclined to say that they're just not really thinking about it.
That might sound weird or a little nonsensical, but what I mean is, there's a certain level of mental activity to "be honest". It's not just about the courage to voice your opinion, but also whether you go through a certain kind of thought process. To give a common example, if you ask your coworker, "How are you doing?" there's a decent chance that person will say, "Good" without even thinking about it. They might be miserable, but it's not necessarily an intentional deception. Maybe you're just being polite, or you don't want to share. Or maybe you're just responding because that's the proper conventional response to the question.
To give a slightly more complex example, if I ask what your favorite movie is, you might just say "Pulp Fiction" even though that's not your favorite movie. Maybe it's a movie that came to mind that you liked. Maybe it was a movie that your decided was your favorite movie well over a decade ago, and you've just used that as your answer when people ask, even though there are other movies you like better. Or maybe you said "Pulp Fiction" just because you thought it was a good answer that other people would agree with.
I used to think that it was as simple as "being honest" or "being dishonest", but I've realized over the years that a lot of times, we just end up giving whatever answer is quick and easy, or the safe answer that won't cause trouble. Some people do it more than others, and I've known a few people for whom communication isn't really about conveying information, but more about social maneuvering. And I don't even mean that it's malicious, since it may be as innocent as just saying whatever will get you to like them and make everyone get along. I think it's not even necessarily an intentional deception, but instead it's more like they're not even thinking about the truth content of their answer in the context of "true" or "false", but more like "achieves the desired effect" or "doesn't achieve the desired effect".
So I'm rambling a little, but I wonder if the amygdala has a role in the evaluation of truth content. If my general thought is correct, it'd be reasonable to think that there's some part of the brain with is being under-used in people who "end up giving whatever answer is quick and easy".
I'm pleased that Slashdot has posted this story because, I'm uh, I'm the author of this study! ... yeah, that's it ... and, and uh, I invented the machine that scanned the subjects' brains! ... and I invented a way to control their brains so that the study supported my hypothesis! ... yeah, that's the ticket ... and they paid me so they could lie even more!!! And then I sent them all to Slashdot to post comments on this thread! Yeah, that's it...
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Not sure why the researchers behind this study think their findings are unique or somehow specific to lying. The brain is supremely adaptable to learned behavior, stimuli, even physical damage.
You know, where the character is actively rewarded for, and celebrates some 'negative' ethical attribute? Dungeon Keeper, God of War, most action video games, etc.
Well, if they're paying you money to lie, and more money to lie bigger, then seems to me that's the same dynamic. It's a reward loop, with a context. Doesn't seem to me that this would be any more likely to cause an increase in general preference for lying, than the millions who played Dungeon Keeper being more likely to turn to workplace abuse as a first resort.
That said, context adds a lot - the classic Stanford Prison experiment and similar studies showed how far context and roles can push people with very little prodding.
Seems to me, that more thought should be put into what roles we're building for folks, especially with things like the stock market, the legal system, and managerial roles. Unbounded reward loops have a way of being pushed until something really bad breaks, even with 'normal' people.
I vote Hillary For Prison 2016!
If you or I did the same thing with classified information, our asses would be in prison. To not want Hillary tried for the same crime(s) is a total rejection of the concept of rule of law. By supporting that you are supporting a ruling class of well-connected people who can get away with just about anything.
When first we practice to deceive.
Glass houses: Trump's lies are about triple, per politifact.com.
Table-ized A.I.
Should have just asked them, obviously.
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It explains them perfectly to a T, especially with their responses to murder.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Politifact has a demonstrated Liberal bias. Their trend is to always downplay lies by Democrats.
This was a classic case of little lies leading to big ones. NOBODY ever cared for one instant whether this guy was for the Iraq War in 2003. 70% of the population was for it. A normal person would say, "well, I guess I forgot I said that, since after all this was 13 years ago". But that almost sounds like an apology, or at least admitting to an imperfection- which he will not do unless an ISIS fighter is behind him with a sword. Instead he has to double down and construct an imaginary alternative universe of conspiracy theories where people are spreading malicious lies about him, trying to insinuate that he favored the Iraq War- as if anyone ever gave a flying fuck in the first place.
I read those claims from conservative sites; it was like a 7% difference. That's a drop in the bucket compared to Trump's huge "lead".
Anyhow, I invite the reader to evaluate and cross-check each ranked claim on its own if they believe politifact is biased.
Table-ized A.I.
As long as you believe that religious words have scientific meaning, you will be under their control and they will benefit from the power and loot that control brings them. Political correctness is a religion.
This was an unethical study. After the brain changes the subjects could be left unfit for any job other than a politician.
So first off, the researchers discussed the idea of a study about lying.
Then they told their friends/partners about the cool study they were bound to get funding for.
After that, they let slip to some non-research staff that they were currently conducting a study about lying.
In the second-to-last step of the research process, they made up some numbers and sent them to a bunch of magazines, one of which published the story without checking the references
Finally, slashdot butchered the facts into a click-baiting headline. Process complete.
Where's the cake? She said there was cake on /. !
is an important social practice for pimps, porn stars, and middle-upper managers of large software (and other!) corporations. Why do you think Ballmer was always so agitated? :)
... that people who practice a thing and get rewarded for it get better at that thing and do it more often? How bizarre!
Don't just stand there, get that other dog!
also, it was A STUDY in a research hospital. here is the problem, lying in a study is NEVER going to be the same as lying in a organic situation where no one knows but you.
That is another thing I am tired of, studies in a research office where after you go through a sorting questionnaire someone with a clip board asks "I give you 100 dollars but that means he gets $20 less... etc etc but you have to go lie to him about it etc etc but I take away this $1 bag of tasty corn chips" ---reseacer: ""Ah see! this proves people will sell cornchips for $100 and lie about it!"". ', They think this some how reflects what someone would do in the real world.
protip: people don't act how they say they will, so ASKING them about something is worthless, and having them do it in a study group is only slightly less worthless.
And marijuana is a "gateway" drug.
The "I.T. Crowd" did this brilliantly - a lie to justify using the disabled toilet escalated hilariously.
Compared to Trump where fact checkers show him to be lying most of the time. Get over your self Hillary isn't perfect but Trum is just insane and pure pathological.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Trump is a very special case and he's only recently joined the Republicans anyway. It's almost always a lie unless he's backtracking to change a truly outrageous one into something else. It's the way he does things (and probably why he had to go as far as Russian banks for finance).
A bizzare example was the five (yes that many) explanations for his wife using parts of one of Michelle Obama's speeches. Just admitting it, as was done in the end, would have been less ridiculous than four lies about it. All those lies over something trivial and in hindsight a real indication that there is not a massive difference in policy between the two sides anyway - the same speech works for R or D!
No, this study finds that taking part in a study where you're paid to lie proves that humans will lie to get paid. Especially in front of a bunch of strangers, where the lies are likely trivial, and will have no bearing on their life once the guy in the white coat gives them their money and says goodbye.
How about a study where you're paid to tell the truth for money? Even truths that diminish you socially or would lead to embarassement? Would there be similar deactivation of the amygdala? Perhaps that's a sign of numbness or detachment rather that willingness to lie. Isn't that what the whole Scientology brainwashing 'auditing' thing is about?
Hook them up to a polygraph. Ask questions ranging from 'Do you regularly give money to charity?' to 'Have you had sexual thoughts about family members', the real gamut of seriousness and social consequences. Use the polygraph to give a reasonable degree of certainty whether they're answering truthfully or not. Tell them their answers (but not the polygraph results) will be publicised. See what happens to their brain -then-.
Tell me lies
Tell me sweet little lies
If the study had concluded that little lies don't lead to bigger lies then it'd be much harder to justify further research.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Obviously...look at politics as a prime example...
My current study shows breathing in and out changes oxygen level in the lungs. Revolutionary, no?
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The problem isn't the ranked claims but rather the (liberal) claims they didn't rank.
I hate to sound like a misanthrope but most humans don't aspire to be moral and ethical beings. Most people out of self interest will "test the waters". If they find they can do something for their own self gain that is of questionable morality and ethics without being detected, most are going to do it.
If you want to do a thought experiment and find out how true this is, imagine this scenario: You have found a super power that enables you to be completely invisible and undetectable. Be honest with yourself, what would you do with that power? Furthermore, what would you do if the economy went south in such a way that you couldn't feed yourself or your family. I rest my case. Consider this very apt movie quote:
The Joker: Don't talk like one of them. You're not! Even if you'd like to be. To them, you're just a freak, like me! They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper! You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.
That's a good chunk of the human condition. Good luck solving that.
We'll make great pets
The following (translated) quotation describes this syndrome perfectly.
"The great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil ... therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall a victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big".
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (Houghton Mifflin Co., Boston, 1971; original version 1925), Vol. 1, chapter 10, p.231
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
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HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
I think we can all agree that Trump is a buffoon, but that doesn't worry me since he will be kept on a short leash. If he tries to overstep his presidential authority he would be impeached with a quickness ( many Republicans would be happy to cast that vote ).
Hillary on the other hand is dangerous because she is so corrupt. She has been living in a world of lies for longer than most of us have been alive.
Government corruption is a very real threat to this country. Once it becomes accepted and commonplace it can be very difficult to root out. In many places in the world government corruption is the norm; almost a way of life.
The only check we have on corruption in the executive branch is impeachment, and I am afraid that Hillary will be just as unimpeachable as Obama.
These sort of comments might be funny but they aren't at all accurate. If one looks for example at Hillary's Politifact rating she has a larger fraction of true or mostly true statements than most major politicians (and way, way more than Donald Trump who has many more totally false or Pants on Fire statements than most politicians). See http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/. Politifact does have some issues; they decide what statements to rate, and there's some amount of subjectivity in the ratings, such as the difference between true and mostly true, or between false and mostly false, and some of their rulings are definitely arguable (such as their tendency to rate rumors as false simply if they are very unlikely and have zero evidence) but even if you move half of her statements from each category one category down, she still well within the normal range for politicians.
Yes it is actually not a lie if you think you are telling the truth. Mind blown.
Funny, I was going to say the same thing about Trump, but even moreso. Take a look at politifact. 80% of the what comes out of his mouth is a lie.
He doesn't even want to be president. His whole campaign is a lie. Innit obvious? Or are you one of his minions that are so blind you can't even see he's sabotaging himself?
God, I hope the real story comes out someday.
People don't want details, so i shorten the story, therefore it is a lie.
Holy shit, you are fucking autistic. Either that, or maybe you just need to learn to edit yourself better.
Except Politifact has been shown to be incorrect or misleading where any value of Hillary=>1. Nice try, Podesta.
People did.
This is what they found: https://goo.gl/images/zgPWQH
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
So all those unfunny 1960s US sitcoms were really demonstrating human behaviour. Really, this is old news: Who thinks dishonest politicians are fun?
I remember when the WMDs excuse wasn't gaining popularity, pro-Bush pundits changed to the 'regime change' excuse: Then talking heads came from the woodwork, waxing poetic on how the USA would be the salvation and the heroes for an oppressed nation: It was the invasion of Canada, Korea and Vietnam all-over again. I think a good psychopath can assign more nobility to a big lie than a small lie, so the only distinction, is the delay until the lie is exposed.
So it's ok for someone to be a lying piece of shit, if someone else is also a lying piece of shit.
I think I'll choose a third option, thank you.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
duh
A couple of years ago I was in a relationship with a lady who lied throughout our relationship. She told one fairly big lie in the beginning and got caught and I forgave her and gave her another chance. My reward for this was that she continued to lie to me about various things. It just took a lot longer to figure that out. In fact, I'd say that her default position on just about anything was to lie about it. She just had a lot of issues and I guess she was afraid that even the smallest issue would be a major problem for me, so she continued to lie. In the end I caught her in very big and longstanding lie that completely destroyed my ability to trust her ever again and also brought to light many other related lies that she had told to support the big lie, so our relationship ended. In the end I was left not really knowing what, if anything, she had ever told me was true. It really brought home to me the idea that trust is the foundation for a relationship and when there is no trust, there can't be a successful relationship.
Funny, I was going to say the same thing about Trump, but even moreso. Take a look at politifact. 80% of the what comes out of his mouth is a lie.
Exactly so he is clearly a very poor example because he did not start by telling little lies he started by telling huge whoppers and just never stopped.
I'm just really good at lying and probably not a sociopath... or am I a really good sociopath?
Maturity = respect + courage
People on the autism spectrum (including myself) are often called "immature". They have not learned (and perhaps cannot learn) how to communicate the truth (courage) while appreciating the other persons feelings, time, intelligence (respect). The key thing is that respect for the other is MORE important than telling the truth. This is not the same as lying to make the other person feel good, but it is more about drawing a line that you can only cross with truth when you have the other's implicit or explict permission to do so.
Nice post.
Further finding required to dig deeper.
Requiem for the American Dream
...Basil Fawlty could've told you that.
They have cornered the market on lying.
Not sure, but I sure see them being handed mod points with all the modbombing going around.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
The more people are able to get away with stuff, the more they do it. If you keep getting away with lying, cheating, and dishonest behavior, the more likely you are to test the limits. The more you are able to bull*shit other people, the bigger shovel you try to use. Eventually, this all catches up with you.
LIAR!
They're both politicians, wich is just another word for liar!!!
PS is that you Donald? kisses to melania
If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.
Let's start with Benghazi - 4 dead. Libya in general: 114 civilians killed and 445 wounded during Odyssey Dawn.
Iraq War: (voted for, supported) 4,424 US dead, 30k+ US wounded. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and other casualties
Afghanistan War: (same, same) 2,386 US dead, 20k+ US wounded. Hundreds of thousands of Afghan and other casualties.
After that, we can talk about the dozens of US dead after involvement in her scandals. Vince Foster, et al.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
If one looks for example at Hillary's Politifact rating she has a larger fraction of true or mostly true statements than most major politicians
Probably true. But comparing politicians tendencies to lying is all a bit academic -- it's like trying to rank delegates at a Nazi party rally from most to least anti-Semitic...
Got them moderator blues I blieve I walk out the do', With these mod-points I been gettin', I 'most never post no mo'
Regarding your comparison, Oskar Schindler and Karl Plagge both come to mind. More substantially, politicians aren't in general lying that much more than other people, but rather one has more opportunity to notice it when they do. And given the earlier comment specifically referring to Hillary, the level of difference is precisely what matters here anyways.
Lying is one of the hallmarks of a true sociopath.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
Nobody's going to change their vote based on a few off-topic posts on Slashdot, so we may as well laugh while the ship sinks.
Got them moderator blues I blieve I walk out the do', With these mod-points I been gettin', I 'most never post no mo'
All politicians lie, frequently, and in my opinion more so than the general population and about more substantive things. If I lied in my job they way that politicians lie in theirs, I would be fired. I've taught my kids the old saying "How can you tell when a politician is lying? - His/her lips are moving." The higher the office, the more likely they are lying, either directly or by omission. The whole "private opinion" versus "public opinion" comment from a current presidential candidate underscores my point. It is difficult, if not impossible, for a candidate to appeal to a broad enough electorate to be elected unless they "obscure the truth" (i.e., for purists like me, lie). Color me cynical, I guess.
What are they lying about? Trump lies about how great he is, what he's capable of accomplishing, and maybe even the state of the U.S.A. He fesses up when evidence is produced.
Hillary lies about whether she is involved in certain scandals, what she wants to accomplish, and whether she and Bill are racists in the ol' fashioned Southern Democrat style. She also lies in the face of evidence because she's just so used to lying.
The only check we have on corruption in the executive branch is impeachment, and I am afraid that Hillary will be just as unimpeachable as Obama.
Show one reason President Obama should be impeached. Before you answer, just remember, whatever you are going to say George Bush probably did the exact same thing and you didn't say word one about impeaching him.
And speaking of lies, how about the ones George Bush told about not knowing of an impending attack despite having daily warnings for 8 months? Or the lies about the need to invade and occupy Iraq which cost us nearly 5,000 dead soldiers, and over $3 trillion of our tax dollars poured down the drain, and which has led directly to the rise of Daeash?
Talk about impeachable!
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
I rather suspect that good politicians lie much _less_ than the general population.
One, because they can be caught out.
Two, because people who won't give them the benefit of the doubt in the first place are listening.
Three, and most interestingly, because the most powerful lies are the ones with the least untruth about them. For the same reason that covert agents are told to tell the most truth they can in any given situation without blowing their cover, even the best politicians want to make you relate to them so that they gain your support for things that are in your interest.
Relatedly: I have OCD. It makes me do ridiculous things, and over the years I have found that my tendency to tell little white lies to protect myself from having to reveal to everyone something that can make me look foolish, or broken, and actually makes me vulnerable to exploitation; people with OCD can be used.
I have begun to try not to little-white-lie myself out of situations that OCD has ruined. This makes me stronger and more confident.
Let's see if you can list 3 relatively significant ones not included for H that should be.
Table-ized A.I.
H knows to cut her losses and STFU when caught. T keeps yammering on about his foibles. The prez will have too much on their plate to obsess on things.
Table-ized A.I.
Yes it is actually not a lie if you think you are telling the truth. Mind blown.
Your sarcasm is unwarranted, given how frequently people engage in self-deceptive behavior. Religion is an obvious and easy example, but it happens constantly in the workplace, with relationships and even just casually chatting with friends.
There is a whole universe of deception that exists between lying and not-lying and it build on varying types and degrees of self-deception.
it's built* , damnit. I blame the keyboard.
[irony intended]
Mohammed: Did you see Mohammed at the meeting today?
Mohammed: No, but his brother Mohammed showed up.
Mohammed: What did Mohammed talk about?
Mohammed: Mohammed introduced us to Mohammed who is also a mason!
Mohammed: A mason? No shit? How long has he been one?
Mohammed: About five years. He was referred to the local lodge by Mohammed.
Mohammed: Ah, yes, Mohammed. He has a shit ton of connections around town!
Mohammed: Yes, and our brothers, police be upon them, Mohammed and Mohammed from Egypt came, too.
Mohammed: I've been thinking of becoming a clown.
Mohammed: A clown, Mohammed, why?
Mohammed: So I can film myself being gay.
Mohammed: Oh, you.
Mohammed: So anyway, is Mohammed, Mohammed, and Mohammed coming to the next party?
Mohammed: Indeed. Mohammed was so funny last time.
Mohammed: Well it wouldn't be a party without Mohammed.
Mohammed: Yes, my friend. POLICE BE UPON THEM!
This is true! Trump's lies are more often then not him bullshitting, or just plain exaggerating (like the part about seeing thousands of Muzzies celebrate 9/11 - it was more like in the tens in sporadic incidents). Hilary's lies are borderline perjury, sometimes just escaping downright perjury charges by things like 'I don't remember' or like her husband, the meaning of the word 'is'. And Trump usually starts off w/ wild statements (like Hilary and Obama being the founders of ISIS) in public to clarifications later about him indulging in hyperbole. Which is very different from lying under oath about whether there was pay to play wrt the Clinton Foundation and the State Department. Let Trump commit perjury in a court of law, and then tell us how Trump is no different from Hilary
Trump's lie about Muslims celebrating 9/11 was not an exaggeration. It was a full-on, bald-faced lie. He said he saw thousands of American Muslims celebrating the fall of the twin towers. This did not happen, it is trivial to prove, and Trump has never corrected or retracted his statements. In full Trump blarney mode he doubled down and reiterated the whole statement, which establishes the statement as a lie.
Muslims in America were petrified at being scapegoated for the attack. Anyone demonstrating in favour of the attacks, even in "tens in sporadic incidents", would have faced the wrath of all the outraged American citizens.
Overseas? Then yes, in certain Islamic countries it becomes plausible that there were public demonstrations supporting Osama, al-Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks. In America? Give me a break.
After this incident lying about American Muslims I was never able to take Trump seriously as a Presidential candidate. He lies, bullies and thinks he can get away with anything. Trump is going to learn different come the election. He is already making excuses that he will lean on when he loses.
As for "Lying Hillary", Trump is guilty of everything that he accuses Hillary of. I'm not saying that Clinton is lily white, but Trump has jumped the shark on rhetoric and will thereby get burned.
Yes, but not inside
Yes, but only this block and not one block west where we are meeting
but does not necessarily negate, it can qualify to something more specific
...about Hillary Clinton, doesn't it? The more crap she got help covering up, the worse crap she committed that needed to be covered up.
Except that the evidence of Clinton's corruption always seems exaggerated at least when I look at it, much like most other attacks against her.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Name someone who was negligent with classified material and wound up in prison. Just try. I couldn't find one. Neither could anyone who tried to give me an example. Deliberately putting classified information where it shouldn't be is frequently prosecuted at the felony level. Negligently doing so is not prosecuted, but temporary or indefinite loss of security clearance is a real possibility.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes