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Apple Unveils New MacBook Pro Featuring OLED Touch Bar, Touch ID - Powered By Intel Skylake Processor (arstechnica.com)
At an event on Thursday, Apple unveiled the new 2016 MacBook Pro. The redesigned MacBook Pro comes with "incredible extreme" all-metal body. The main attraction of the new MacBook Pro is an OLED touch strip at the top that Apple is calling the Touch Bar. The Touch Bar comes with a fingerprint scanner Touch ID that users can tap to log-in quickly to their computer as well as make online payments. The touch strip offers on-screen button that changes according to the application you're running. Schiller, Apple SVP, said it was time Apple gotten rid of the dedicated function keys. The new MacBook Pro is thinner and lighter than the existing model, and it is powerful too. It comes in two screen sizes: 13-inch, which weighs 3 pounds and measures 14.9mm -- down from 18mm from older MacBook Pro. The trackpad is larger too, Apple says, twice as larger than the older one. Also, it's Force Touch trackpad. ArsTechnica adds: Both laptops are still recognizably MacBook Pros, but in keeping with Apple's design priorities they've got slimmer profiles and smaller footprints. This is made possible in part by the move to USB Type-C ports like the one in the MacBook, all four of which support Thunderbolt 3. All four ports can be used to charge the system, too. Compared to the measly one port in the MacBook, the MacBook Pros are much more appealing to people who plug lots of stuff into their computers at once. Apple has also made the cowardly decision to retain the headset jack. Both systems include new Intel Skylake processors -- dual-core chips in the 13-inch Pro and quad-core chips in the 15-inch model, just like before. The 13-inch Pros ship exclusively with Intel Iris 540 GPUs, while the 15-inch models ship with Polaris-based AMD Radeon graphics at the high-end.The 13-inch model MacBook Pro starts at $1,799, whereas the 15-inch model starts at $2,399.
And I don't see an escape key. :(
Is this where the fabled escape key has been banished to? It's going to be awkward using vim, but I won't have to worry about that for a while, hopefully. My 2011 MacBook Pro is still fulfilling my needs.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have backups to corrupt.
You've introduced the capacitive touch bar my wife's 10 year old HP Pavilion Media laptop has been rockin' forever!
(I really do to this day think that part of the laptop is really cool, except when I swipe to change the volume and it doesn't work the first time)
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I can see some interesting use cases for that TouchBar, but dear God, when that Photoshop lady was demonstrating using the mousepad & TouchBar at the same time, I cringed. I mimicked it on my keyboard in front of me and my wrists cried out in pain -- I can't imagine how it'd be if the keyboard was in my lap (i.e. on a laptop).
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Is this 10 year old touch bar apple's way of admitting that maybe a touch screen isn't a bad idea? Just give us a damn touch screen already. Christ.
With the Surface Studio announced, it kinda makes these laptops look "meh"
They did allude briefly to the new LG 5K monitor, but didn't show much detail....more on that would have been interesting too.
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You are doing it wrong. "Siri, press the escape key" :-)
Sheesh, I guess I already have the last MacBookPro I will own, for a while. The MagSafe has saved my laptop numerous times - NOT giving up on it. I use my SD Card slot, I use my HDMI plug, I use my USB connections. The new Book might be thinner, but add the collection of dongles needed to get the same functionality, and the gain is lost. And, sheesh, in this day and age, only 8G on the 13" model? Mmph.
Yah, I'll keep the one I have for now and the foreseeable future.
Waited years for an update and this is it? Seriously? A touch bar? That's what they added? It took years to add something that other manufacturers added and abandoned?
What I'm most pissed about is that they are offering a "pro" system with a max of 16GB of RAM.
I'll be looking elsewhere and seeing what better, truly "pro" laptops can be hacked to run MacOS.
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I suppose neither RAM nor SSD can be upgraded or replaced.
I know I am miserable, but it gets expensive to buy maximum RAM from the beginning. And it sucks to have too little RAM down the road.
But with a non repairable/replacable SSD, who wants to spend too much money on a laptop?
Or am I wrong?
How about keeping it the same thickness and increasing the battery life?
Because that is not what most people want. It has 10 hours of battery life. That is good enough for most people. How often do you use laptop for 10 hours without access to an electrical outlet? Sure, maybe on a camping trip, but then would an extra 2 or 3 hours really matter?
If you really need extended battery life, then you can buy a separate external USB-C battery pack. There are several available on Amazon, starting under $20.
Terrible company, they've been going out of business for decades now.
The market for 17" MacBooks only gets stronger.
Also, all 17" laptops use Optimus video which isn't compatible with Mac OS X.
Apple has completely abandoned pro users and depends on i-crap zealots to attack us and keep up quiet.
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Being that Apple has more cash in the bank that many Western countries currently do, it's obviously understandable that supporting a 17" model just isn't something they could afford to do; a no-holds-barred, high-performance machine with mondo ports that would serve the needs of the very same faithful but demanding professional users who have been supporting them all these years through thick and thin and historically were spending mucho dineros buying quantities of these beasts. (a.k.a. the small vocal minority)
And since we all know that Apple's hardware line is mostly composed of "magical devices", their users never squint, and don't need to have a big screen to display massive amounts of information that includes stuff like palettes, sub-menus and options pop-up windows.
It's probably going to be a fantastic choice for those hipster middle-managers on-the-go, or people with busy lives who don't need a lot of screen real-estate or have to ever manipulate and store large media files.
Guess it's time to see what running Hackintosh on a PC laptop really feels like, or just using any other third-party OS.
"...comes with 'incredible extreme' all-metal body..."
"The touch strip offers on-screen button..."
"Schiller, Apple SVP, said it was time Apple gotten rid of the dedicated function keys"
"Apple says, twice as larger than the older one"
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I've been an Apple user since 06 when they went Intel (strictly *nix for 22 years before that other than a brief, self abusive period using Windows in the late 90s) and I don't understand why the retina, multi-touch tech of the TouchBar isn't implement in the screen as well. Touch may not have seemed important 8 or 9 years ago but between tablets and smartphones touch has become a much more common part of the computing experience.
As long as I'm complaining, I also don't understand why the 13" MBP is limited to 8 Gig of Ram. Memory is cheap and Apps use ridiculous amounts of it now.
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And I was hoping for a new Mac mini. The poor thing hasn't been updated* since 2012.
* it was downgraded in 2014.
The Touch Bar comes with a fingerprint scanner Touch ID that users can tap to log-in quickly to their computer
The courts have said a few times that compelling someone to unlock their phone with their fingerprint is not a 5th amendment violation (forcing them to tell a password would be).
So don't plan on using this laptop for anything you're not willing to show to the authorities....or anyone else who can mock up a dummy fingerprint, which is surprisingly easy to do. They can probably just lift a print from the case...
And they already are as expensive as macs anyway
For people who type too fast. Now instead of typing away while watching the screen you now have to keep switching your focus between the screen and keyboard/touchbar.
How many TB3 bus's? video card at pci-e 3.0 X8? as well?
2016 marks the end of Apple brand loyalty. We have quite clearly reached the point where the roadmap Steve Jobs laid out has ended, and now Cook and Ives are on their own, screwing things up as they go.
The outrage about today's keynote at AppleInsider is palpable. Among the common complaints are:
- These computers are overpriced and underwhelming. The price of the entry-level MacBook Pro was bumped up hundreds of dollars, and all they did was increase the price and remove ports from it. (The entry-level model only has two Thunderbolt ports (USB, etc. have been removed), and one of the ports has to be used for charging! What kind of "Pro" computer is that???)
- The mind boggles that they removed the "esc" key from a supposedly "Pro" computer.
- They removed the MagSafe connector, which is arguably one of the greatest features of Apple's laptops.
- The only connections are Thunderbolt 3, meaning that you will need a dongle for ~anything~ you want to connect. Do you own an iOS device? Better hope you have a USB-C adapter for it.
- Removal of the SD drive.
Apparently Apple has also been sending out emails to some of its customers asking if they use features such as the headphone jack on their laptop. (Because of course, they're going to remove it from there as well.)
This company has lost its mind.
I'm not buying it
Given that it does have a headphone jack (look under "Charging and Expansion"), will you be buying it?
Well, I just got back from Apple's website where I found out that the new MBP 15" still maxes out at 16GB RAM. Arrrgggghg!!!!
I refuse to upgrade until they give me 32GB, minimum!
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10 hours is under "normal" workloads. My 2015 MBP lasts anywhere from 4 to 10 depending on what I'm doing. I'd much rather have it be double that so I don't need to plug it in as often.
The Surface Book looks very intriguing right now as it has an advertised 16 hours of battery life. The first gen Surface Book managed to get 13 in tests so that's actually believable.
I know this has been a popular comment, but Apple offers a premium product and usually when compared with premium products from other brands the price wasn't so bad. However $1800 for the base model 13" that is clearly the one that people want just makes me shake my head. And now $2400 base for a 15" laptop. Apple has so much money in the bank and building this wondrous campus. Seems like they could have sold the new models for the same price as the old and still been highly profitable. Seems like they want exclusivity of clientele. Seems greedy. With a hack I'm running 10.12 on my 2009 MBP. I'll just wait for a good price on a newer used model when 10.13 comes out.
I would be happy if they did NOTHING but give it a matte display option, even for a few hundred dollars more. Actually, that would be preferable to what they did produce.
OK, I'll bite.
Macbook Pro, 15-inch (just announced):
- Intel "Skylake" (6th gen.) processor
- New! Improved! USB Type-C with Thunderbolt 3 support!
- AMD Radeon "Polaris" GPU
- $2399
Dell XPS 15 (available since November 2015):
- Intel "Skylake" (6th gen.) processor
- USB Type-C with Thunderbolt 3 support
- nVidia GTX 960M GPU
- $1699 ($1749 with Windows Pro instead of Home edition)
Seriously, Kaby Lake has been out and available at retail for 2 months now, with a focus on mobile. OEM's have already started selling laptops with Kaby Lake CPU's. Apple, however, cheaped out on the core part of their system, so what makes you think they won't cheap out on everything?
Then you have the puffery about USB-C and TB3. My Dell has had that for nearly a year. Marketing is one thing, but don't insult me with your lies, Apple.
Then there's the pathetic AMD GPU. Just make a goddamned nVidia driver for macOS already.
And finally, we have the enormous price difference. Now, granted, Dell has jacked their price up since I got mine, but it's only about $200 more, not $700 more like Apple is reaming their customers for.
This is why I'm not a Mac guy anymore. Well, this, and Windows is just as good as macOS these days. (And that's an opinion that is likely to piss off the cultists something fierce.)
My early 2011 has 16 GB of RAM, and it is approaching six years old! What a complete joke for something that has Pro in the name.
Did you catch in one of the videos where the Touch Bar changed to show the Accept/Decline buttons of an incoming Facetime call? Imagine being in the middle of an important workflow, and as you move your finger to touch a virtual key, it suddenly changes its meaning, and because you shouldn't have to keep moving your eyes from the display to the keyboard, you end up affecting that call by mistake? The user should *never* have to look at the keyboard to confirm they are typing what they think they're typing. Hell, the way that Touch Bar works, even looking at it isn't good enough if the keys can change meaning right out from under your fingers.
Today's announcements confirmed to me that I made the right choice getting a refurbished 2015 MacBook Pro this past spring. Not only do I have all the ports Apple chose to remove from this new laptop*, I don't have to put up with the inevitable problems that occur with the first generation of any Apple product where they've made some major hardware changes.
As far as the processor generation goes... it's probably been six or seven years since the CPU has been even a marginally limiting factor with anything I do.
* Seriously, Apple - you couldn't fit an SD card slot in there? And why not keep at least one full-size USB 3.0 port? Plus I actually like MagSafe.
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Sure. I use USB headphones. I'm able to have the system sounds continue to go out the built-in audio while my headphones only contains audio of my telecom.
I've been happy with my logitech headset but, if I weren't, I can get a USB-C to 3.5mm adapter like for the Moto Z. (I have a USB to audio out/in adapter already, but might as well get one that doesn't require a USB to USB-C adapter)
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Yes, thumbs down for me on this new MacBook Pro. Connectivity to the outside world is limited to 4 USB-C ports and the (thankfully!) still present headphone adapter. If you have any USB 2 or USB 3 devices forget it--don't seem to be any adapters available. Expect to pony up even more money for a USB-C to Ethernet Adapter, SD Card Reader, HDMI adapter, and Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 adapter. Not sure that fancy new touchbar is worth the sacrifice in connectivity, what with the grab bag of adapters needed.
One note: The Skylake chips used in the high end MBP are quad-core. The Kaby Lake chips that are shipping are dual-core and apparently Intel won't be shipping quad-core chips for several months.
You can't ship what you don't have.
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Actually there is a new model with escape and function keys. A model without the Touch Bar.
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>twice as larger than the older one
for fucks sake
"Schiller, Apple SVP, said it was time Apple gotten rid of the dedicated function keys."
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No updates or price cut's to other apple hardware!
Did the new microsoft surface all in one make them scrap / rework the new imac?
apple planing to kill all desktops? if they do at least let us run mac os server in a VM on any base hardware!
You did a survey of what most people want?
Most people bitch about their cell phone battery life but that hasn't led to Apple doing anything but making their phones thinner and their batteries smaller.
Maybe what most people want has nothing to do with it and it is more a matter of advertising thinnest and lightest works even though people end up disappointed about things that actually matter like battery life.
Good luck with that 10 hours of battery life doing more than watching videos, at low brightness with WiFi turned off.
The one thing to recommend a Mac is OS X as opposed to the circus that is Windows 10, but the hardware options you listed above, coupled w/ the price differences, negate it a great deal
The screen is better on my five year-old MacBook than on my eight month-old Dell XPS. Also, the trackpad on the Dell is complete garbage. I've already had to have it replaced twice. The MacBook is worth the extra money. Our two conference rooms are on the southwest corner of the building on different floors with floor to ceiling windows, and I use my MacBook in meetings because of its much brighter screen. If your office is really sunny, the Dell is painful to use. You're comparing Apples and oranges.
No new desktops at all. A laptop that has no video ports, no magsafe power, no SD card slot... just 4 stupid thunderbolt ports that will require a rats nest of dongles to make usable.
And Apple wonders why their revenues are nosediving?
Ok but I wouldn't buy the Dell system if they paid me. Or HP. There isn't a good notebook vendor other than Apple, and now we're stuck with whatever Apple chooses to give us. Yay world.
The good: Amazing screen, speakers, compact build, good battery life, nice sound, comfortable input devices. ;-)
The bad: No 32GB? AYFKM?! Holy crap! JI can go EABOD. Perhaps they'll release an upgrade in the form a Tbolt dongle
...and for decades to come! Just look up "beleaguered Apple" on Google and seem how many hits you get! (-- probably one of the stupidest things I ever read in an article about how poorly Apples prospects were 10+ years ago)
I plan on getting one of these to replace my October 2011 MacBook Air
What a complete joke for something that has Pro in the name.
Don't worry, that'll be changing next summer when they bring their product names into line - like they did with their OS offerings this past summer.
iPhone will become Apple Phone.
iPad will become Apple Pad.
MacBook Pro will become Apple Laptop.
Looking further out... they'll probably consolidate their naming scheme further to be consistent with what they did with their retail outlets.
Apple Phone will become Apple.
Apple Pad will become Apple.
Apple Laptop will become Apple.
And you, the Apple Customer, will also become Apple.
So Apple will take your Apple to the Apple to be repaired, er, reAppled. It's like the Smurfs, but with Apples!
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I'd like a Mac Pro with Nvidia GPUs in them. Everything I use runs on CUDA and my 2012 Mac Pro is showing its age.
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I'm not buying it
Given that it does have a headphone jack (look under "Charging and Expansion"), will you be buying it?
Cowards.
Sort of like this, by some strange coincidence?
to say they're going out of business would make you a poor judge of finance.
Apple will be around for a long, long time, because Apple fans will buy anything Apple makes at any price Apple cares to charge.
And, just maybe, most people don't give a shit what some random slashdotter wants, so Apple makes what most people want.
Just because you get on /. don't make you special, Mr snowflake!
If a company made products for /.ers they'd be bankrupt before they got started.
You want cheese with that whine?
It can, yes. EIther install Windows on a bootable partition using Apple's Boot Camp (works just like any other Windows compatible computer), or use a third party VM to run both OSes simultaneously.
This machine, and any other machine you can buy today, presumably supports low-power Bluetooth. Someone needs to make and market a single key with a Bluetooth connection, and a sticky silicone back for staying put on your desktop or laptop. Pair it and map it to whatever you like; get a bunch if you're so inclined.
Sort of like the giant Staples "Easy" button, only functional and practical. I'd be inclined to call it the "dammit" button, because that's what I always seem to call for when I want a key that isn't there...
Not only that, but you'd have to start, inasmuch as there is zero tactile feedback, and you don't know what's up there until you look.
Funny thing... if they'd have gone with a touchscreen on the main laptop monitor, they wouldn't have needed to do this and it would have been a metric fuckton more capable and it would be where you're already, you know, actually looking (but then again, since there's nothing really good about this thing, and there are a lot of things that aren't, I guess they really needed something to confuse the potential buyers.)
But hey. No touchscreen for you.
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Yes, that's marvelous for Apple, but it isn't marvelous for me and so guess what? Lost sale. Just the measly one lost sale (well, two, actually, because I'm not buying that stupid trash can thing either.)
Believe it or not, I don't sit around here pining for things to go better for Apple.
I do, however, think about what might improve my circumstances. Unfortunately, Apple thinks just like you do: About them. Not about the end user.
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Ok but I wouldn't buy the Dell system if they paid me. Or HP. There isn't a good notebook vendor other than Apple, and now we're stuck with whatever Apple chooses to give us. Yay world.
Most people who hate Dell or HP base their opinion on low cost low quality systems ($500 to $700 range) which tend to fail more often due to cheaper components. Both HP and Dell have very nice high end quality systems, but you have to pay for the higher quality. I love my Dell XPS 13 laptop and I have several HP Workstation class desktops (Z640) running, all of which have been very reliable.
Yeah. I am very disappointed. I really want OSX, I consider it a lot superior to Windows or Linux, as a desktop solution.
I have been using Apple since 1997, and went full Apple when they switched to Intel.
Their hardware has been really good from 2006-2012, then other factors seemed to become more important than having good hardware.
I have been in the market for a good Apple desktop for a while now. Instead I ended up buying a second hand Mac Pro 2012, putting a MacVidCards Nvidia GTX 980, 32 GB RAM and some SSDs into the system. This old machine comparable or better than anything Apple sells today.
I consider the new Macbook Pro a joke. I'm typing this on a 2011 MBP and I see no reason to upgrade, only downsides.
I would need to buy adapters for all my peripherals, as the new MBP has no Ethernet, DVI, mini-displayport/TB2, USB, SD-card, CD/DVD, and most importantly no magsafe connector. My 1GB Radeon HD 6750M might be a bit on the weak side, but they would need to provide Nvidia with CUDA for me to consider a new video card a big improvement. Also my 4core i7 is a bit older than the new skylake but not a very big deal.
I have upgraded my RAM to 16 GB already, I would have expected at least a 32GB option for the new model.
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Not only that, their entry level model has TWO, count em, TWO total USB-C ports! One of these ports will be probably utilized by the charger, so that leaves ONE ONE ONE open port.
This replaces a Magsafe charger port, two thunderbolt ports, HDMI port, and a SD card slot!
Even their so called wide gamut display uses the P3 color space, and is usually used for projectors. If you want to create content, the display should be a Adobe RGB based gamut. This laptop must be designed for consume only purposes, not to create content.
Really Apple? You must either be attempting to drive your fan base away from laptops or turning your laptops into consume-only devices like your iPhones. Which begs the question why is this laptop labelled "Pro"? Pro what?
Oh, and two USB 3 ports!!!
Ever since iOS has gotten all the love MacOS just doesn't seem to be as nice as it was before. If I am going to get a MacBook Pro. I want a portable workstation, with a portable Workstation OS not a half Desktop OS and Half mobile OS.
I haven't found a good OS for real work station work. Linux comes the closest. However it is still very Desktopy because it is trying to appease the grandma. Where it needs to appease people who wants to get real work done.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Ok but I wouldn't buy the Dell system if they paid me.
Do you mean ... like a rebate? lol
On a serious note, I've got laptops from Dell, HP, Apple, Toshiba, MS floating around my office and home. Cheap crap laptops from any mfg are...cheap crap. I see friends with them in various states if disrepair all the time.
The higher end laptops are another story. Apple has it's quirks, but their hardware is well built. The high end Dell stuff like the XPS13 and 15 are easily equal of anything from Apple ... without the insistence on being different by removing ports and keys. HP and Toshiba and MS have good products as well.
I wish someone would pick up magsafe and apply it to USB-C (or just some kind of standard which all the mfgs could use).
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
Finally, something that Apple has removed that I can get excited about. (Bothers me much more than removal of analog audio jack...)
WTF, do they think that almost no apps use the escape key? What moves to the touchbar in the next generation? The letter Q and the numeral 4?
And it's enough that you have to type on those smooshy keys with almost no travel. Hell, they might as well just make the whole keyboard one big touchpad/OLED panel, and be done with it. Clicky keys forever!
I think I need to get IT to update my macbook pro now, so I get a good one instead of the new model. Basically Apple doesn't understand that "Pro" means professionals.
However I don't use my laptop as a laptop, it's a desktop computer for me with stuff plugged into it. I'd be happier with a Dell that ran linux and with the money saved get a dumb tablet to carry to meetings. I've used a lot of Dell computers in the past that were very good. Just don't get the cheap consumer crap.
Schiller, Apple SVP, said it was time Apple gotten rid of the dedicated function keys
So they're just making an X1 Carbon with a white frame and fancier button strip.
Both that and the touchpad failed so badly that Lenovo reversed course on both (amongst other things). With respect to the function keys, the Carbon now has them while all models can force a startup default of function keys. The touchpad has been replaced with a model having actual mouse buttons, and can be retrofitted to older Thinkpads. Unlike Apple, Lenovo (for once) listened to their customers and gave them what they wanted.
Oh, and they have the Escape key. No need to chord Ctrl-C at a terminal or to enter a complex OSX preference to get vi commands!
Both systems include new Intel Skylake processors... ....with Intel Iris 540 GPUs, while the 15-inch models ship with Polaris-based AMD Radeon graphics at the high-end.
While more fully-featured competitors such as Lenovo are already past Broadwell and ship with much better GPUs at their high end (Quadro M5000M anyone?). Nice to see them at least try to make Skylake work though.
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Most people bitch about their cell phone battery life but that hasn't led to Apple doing anything but making their phones thinner and their batteries smaller.
Well WTF do they expect? If they bitch and complain, and then run out and pay top dollar anyway for a device they bitch and complain about, why would the vendor bother listening to their complaints?
current home setup: macbookPro(2009) — three plugs: power; usb to hub; thunderbolt to display. all my devices plug into usb hub(scarlett audio interface, backup drive, midi interface, usb keys).
what this does is supplies the power to the left or right handed user, and drives total# plugs to 1 things to fiddle: power coming in from display; and simultaneously supplying data to the display — that's radical — and the display contains the usb hub — its consolidated 3 wires to one for at home use.
on the road, work on a retina display and a great keyboard.
omg — they just did to FN keys what GUI did to DOS.
That was the first thing I looked for too. Legitimate "Pro" laptops are shippings with 64gb. 16gb is pretty cramped.
Check again. There are ZERO USB 3 ports. At best, you get 4 USB-C ports.
Blackberry Passport has a nice dynamic function row above the physical keyboard, just like this. That combined with the keyboard being also a touchpad meant that I never had to touch viewport area very often. I really enjoyed that. This allows apple to push back against the touchscreen demand, and I like the design. It isn't exactly innovative, but that doesn't mean it isn't good product design. I wished for Blackberry to make a laptop. I guess I got it now?
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You can also throw Apple's drivers onto media, install Windows directly on the machine, no Boot Camp needed.
I personally prefer going with a virtualization solution like VMWare, Parallels, or VirtualBox, but dual booting is also definitely doable.
This replaces a Magsafe charger port, two thunderbolt ports, HDMI port, and a SD card slot!
Oh, and two USB 3 ports!!!
Makes more sense now?
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How about keeping it the same thickness and increasing the battery life?
Because that is not what most people want. It has 10 hours of battery life.
That completely depends on what you're doing. If I do any kind of graphics of video editing - you know, the sorts of things a Pro machine is for - it is a massive drain on the battery but even more importantly the constant thickness reductions result in VERY poor thermal performance so whenever I do anything mildly strenuous on the hardware the fans kick in ridiculously loud.
"Four years worth of months???"
Duh! The other way round makes no sense.
Hardly any improvements, hugely increased prices. Remember all the big names who recently pulled out of a PC market of vanishing profits. Apple is right now probing the brand loyalty of MacBook customers. Or perhaps, they've already made their decision, and this is just their signal to every Mac owner who still has some brains left: Today, the end of Apple the PC manufacturer has turned from a crazy idea into a definite possibility.
Depending upon your CPU(s), you might be able to boost performance significantly for little cost.
Given the hackintosh community's success with nvidia, you might want to see about picking up a couple of nvidia GPUs and dropping them into your system. It's quite possible that with a little effort you can configure your system to run with nvidia GPUs. Not having a real mac pro to play with, I haven't tried this.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
I have a late '13 MBP, came with 8 GB of RAM (company policy at the time). I'm pretty amazed on how well it runs even when fairly well loaded down. Having a SSD hanging off a PCIe bus makes caching so quick that even at low RAM levels the MBP runs really well. That said, 16 GB of RAM is pretty silly, it's not that expensive and it's not that big, which is kind of important in the "no room for air" approach the MBPs take.
OEM's have already started selling laptops with Kaby Lake CPU's. Apple, however, cheaped out on the core part of their system, so what makes you think they won't cheap out on everything?
You've got your facts backwards: Apple is the one that went with the more expensive, more powerful part, and it's the other OEMs who are cheaping out by using the chips they are.
The Kaby Lake chips that are available today are the dual core models. The quad-core Kaby Lake chips that would be suitable for use in a MacBook Pro won't be available for another few months. Moreover, even if they had waited, it wouldn't have made much of a difference. The performance gap between the generations is minimal (which seems to be the general trend for CPUs these days), whereas the dual core to quad core performance gap is substantial for the types of work you expect pro users to be doing. Sticking with Skylake was definitely the right call because it allowed them to release a more powerful machine without the wait, and it was definitely not the cheaper route.
Then you have the puffery about USB-C and TB3. My Dell has had that for nearly a year. Marketing is one thing, but don't insult me with your lies, Apple.
You accuse them of puffery and lies without citing examples of either. They said it has Thunderbolt 3 via USB 3.1 Type-C. They never claimed it was first laptop to offer it (nor would they, since they launched one earlier this year that had it), though they're definitely the first to embrace it to such a degree by putting four of the ports on one machine, making them the only ports the computer has, and making them equally usable for all tasks (i.e. you can plug any cable--including the power cable--into any of them).
Then there's the pathetic AMD GPU. Just make a goddamned nVidia driver for macOS already.
It's the not-yet-released Radeon Pro 460 (i.e. the mobile version of the RX 460), and the Polaris architecture has been going head-to-head with nVidia's latest architecture (Pascal) in terms of both performance and power efficiency. But facts be damned. It's apparently "pathetic" because an Anonymous Coward has declared it so.
There are certainly valid reasons to go from Mac to Windows (I'm even planning to do so myself before the end of the year) or vice versa, but it sounds to me like you're just grasping for any reason you can find to rationalize the decision you made.
You did a survey of what most people want?
I don't need to because I can just look at sales data. Thin laptops outsell laptops with big batteries. Same with phones. Few people buy auxiliary battery packs, although they are cheap, reliable, and work well. So people are just complaining about battery life because they like to complain, not because it is a real need or even desire.
It's actually paving the way towards the iWheel interface. Keys are so 19th century...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
> There isn't a good notebook vendor other than Apple
Did Lenovo drop off the face of the Earth? I haven't been disappointed with my Thinkpads.
And granted we've only had a few Asus notebooks around the office but they've all been solid.
This. My kingdom for mod points.
FWIW, the XPS 13 supports Fedora and Ubuntu Linux better than it does Windows 10.
And that's not even the "developer" edition, which has a couple of components changed to parts that work better with older kernels.
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Wow, when did Apple decide to become the 'mostly underwhelming' company?
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If I do any kind of graphics of video editing - you know, the sorts of things a Pro machine is for - it is a massive drain on the battery
Serious video editing while camping, or on a bus, or somewhere else where no wall power is available, is a niche requirement. It is not something normal people do.
Why do you need 32 GB?
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Yes, but can you do iOS dev on your Dell?
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How is it "showing its age"? Point of reference, I'm on my way towards my second mac lasting 10 years before being replaced. In this way their TCO is way lower than my Windows PCs that last a few years before falling apart / suffering irreparable damage.
30% of the speed? Most everything I do scales with GHz alone (though the P4 broke that, those days are done). There hasn't been a speed boost for over 10 years now.
Lenovo has you covered with the P70, and Dell has their equivalent too. Then again, they're beyond Skylake and offer better GPUs.
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A computer is more than four specs. You're missing out on the illuminated KB there, as well as the OLED screen. Also the case on the dell is a piece of junk. My macbook from 2009 is still in good shape. My PC laptops all die within a few years.
Why do you need 32 GB?
Google Chrome.
What, you think anybody uses Safari? On purpose?
I went from being a researcher and developer to being in technical management. I also spend much of my time on the road and on the go. I switched to Mac from dual-boot PC's shortly after OSX. It had everything I needed. It just worked. I closed the lid when the plane was about to land, and an hour later, voila. I could be in a terminal running screen on multiple servers, and 'alt-tab' to MS-Outlook to accept a meeting invite. I could go from coding in vim and compiling in a Unix environment to, *gasp*, editing a power point. I even run multiple VM's, and with a simple USB hub could have a complete office on the go. Even iTunes didn't use to be all that terrible. I'd laugh at all those PC people enslaved to the one bank of power outlets at the airport, while I was smugly charging both phones from my computer, confident I'd still have juice for the next flight. And it didn't hurt that the thing looked like a luxury car, and didn't feel like something that looked like it was trying to be a luxury car. Oh and lasted more than a year under substantial use. And lastly that my whole setup weighed less than the power brick for many other machines (I'm looking at you, HP).
Sadly, I feel those days coming to an end, and I'm honestly not sure what will be next.
It's hard to tell the cool to chill, my favorite hotel room has a view to an ill.
Like the HP thunderbolt 3 dock? http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/...
Is this going to overheat and die just like the 2011 MacBook Pros?
Yep. my last company used HP, their business class laptops that were pretty close to Mac costs for comparable specs, and it sucked big tool
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Serious video editing while camping, or on a bus, or somewhere else where no wall power is available, is a niche requirement. It is not something normal people do.
What do you mean "serious" video editing? I'm talking about even the HD videos you can take on your iphone and airdrop to your mac. What exactly do you think the use-cases for a laptop on battery power are limited to? And plugged in or not the terrible thermal performance remains.
You'd get a speed up of double if you switched to non-Apple drivers. I have a late 2013 Mac Pro with dual D700s. I saw a post once where someone Bootcamped it and installed the closest AMD Windows drivers on the machine. OpenGL ran at twice the framerate. Apple's OpenGL drivers suck, badly. Apple blames OpenGL and wants people to use its proprietary Metal API, but the fact that AMD drivers run at twice the speed (as well as having OpenGL 4.5 while Apple is still stuck on 2010's OpenGL 4.1 show that it is Apple that is the problem).
I love the Mac Pro, and I know you're doing CUDA instead of OpenCL or OpenGL, I just wanted to point out what a bad job Apple are doing with drivers such as OpenGL.
You mean the Lenovo that intentionally shipped the SuperFish malware preinstalled on its computers? (Which of course is why you always do a clean OS install on a new computer...)
You know, the Lenovo that, after profusely apologizing for the SuperFish incident, moved on to intentionally shipping the OneKey Optimizer malware, along with a BIOS rootkit ? (Meaning that a clean OS install would not get rid of the Lenovo-provided malware?)
Chrome scrapes by reasonably well on 16GB ;-)
Eat the rich.
The fans in the 2013 also need regular cleaning (which is fun when it requires removing 10 screws to get at them, all with a special screwdriver) or the machine will have GPU errors that will crash applications. I've found putting it on a metal biscuit tin lid works well as an external heatsink, but I'd much rather they made the case a few mms thicker and allowed proper airflow. The new ones are disappointing. It's a shame, because this one is now three years old, which is about our normal replacement cycle and there's nothing compelling to replace it (16GB? WTF?).
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This sounds like a job for the Apps guy! Except, he needs to rebrand to "Apple guy."
I'm in the same boat as you -- except I have a late 2013 with an nVidia GT 750M
The solution is an an eGPU, such as BizonBox2 -- an external GPU with its own power supply and connected to the MBP via Thunderbolt.
To add insult to injury, NVIDIA actually makes a great macOS driver. It works even on my non-apple GTX 970 on my PC. My old 2003 Powerbook had a NVIDIA chip. So blame Apple even more.
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I think, Apple has lost their focus. Who are they gearing their MBP lineup for? I use them for work (coding) & I have absolutely no use of a side grill speakers. If anything, they reduce the life of laptop by allowing more dust in, into heavily engineered tight space.
I think replacing all the adapters with USB-3 is a bold move. I'd love for every damn device to have the same port for everything. The transition would be tough on both, the consumers & the product manufactures, though.
The top touch pad is a nice gimmick, but is useless if you use an external keyboard, and I can't find any use of it other than as a seek bar for media. I can't use it for work where I NEED the function keys.
Honest question, has there been improvements in anything but benchmark performance?
I run code that I write on one core only and it has always scaled directly with GHz only--none of the bells and whistles have ever moved that. And a 2006 computer has about the same GHz per core as a current machine.
Hm interesting. Corporate hasn't bought Lenovos for a bit but when we do we image them from our own custom image and that OneKey thing would have set off alarms all over the Enterprise Security's section when it tried to update itself, if the Nazi-esque scanner we run on all active workstations and laptops didn't catch the BIOS changing the file first.
So I guess I'm saying *we* would have been OK but many companies wouldn't have...
But wait, they're successful, they're big time, they're a household name, they must be valuable trendsetters.
Much like whatever a Kardashian is.
I upgraded to a windows laptop... after my MBP turned itself on in my backpack and melted the gpu loose.
For a few golden years, apple had the shit that just worked.... but those days are over. Time to switch back.
And I own a lot of Apple stuff. Even been accused of being a fanboy.
Not impressed. Maybe we're coming to the end of innovation with computers.
I'll keep my macbook and mac air.
With this laptop, Apple has ensured that if I bought one (no chance, but...) I would have to have an external keyboard. If the awful chicklet keys weren't enough to drive me there (they are), the have-to-look-at-it nature of the touch bar would do it in a heartbeat.
I type most of every day. I can't have my work disrupted by this kind of nonsense. And I won't.
In re the Optimus, actually, the keys are programmable, and they most certainly aren't display-only, so no, you're quite wrong.
The right answer, if you want to touch something, is the main monitor being a touchscreen -- because you're already looking there, and because the real estate is more abundant, and because it's more flexible in the first place, and because it doesn't screw up decades of touch-typing reflexes, and because it doesn't add extra complexity to the computer and so impact the reliability in a negative way, and because it wouldn't be an extra-power draw that this extra display is.
But hey, other than that, why, it's grand!
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Marklar.
This is purely a case of form over function, for a "Pro" machine in 2016 to max out with 16GB, have a GPU that is far below the performance of the current top end (nVidia's mobile Pascal offerings) all while not improving the thermal performance or battery life. That would be fine if it weren't the highest spec OSX laptop you can buy, but it's the best Apple can offer and that is pathetic.
Sorry for the re-reply but I'm just updating XCode on a 2015 MBP and the fans are thrashing just doing that! It's absolutely woeful.
I don't care that the fans run at full speed under high load. I do care that the fans, running at cool speed, can not keep the GPU within its thermal tolerances to the extent that errors cause programs to crash.
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He did mention Thinkpads, which, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, never shipped with SuperFish or OneKey.
Redundancy is good And also good.
This alone will mean Apple hardware is no longer a real option for software developers.
They needed to include ONE regular USB 3.0 port. There are a zillion devices that fit *inside* a USB port, such as a YubiKey, and nobody wants to carry those $50 security items around on a dongle so that they have to "dongle in" whenever they login. Apple blew it bigtime on the MacBook Pro redesign. They had it made in the shade until Tim Cook got this idea : https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Next year they will replace the top row (0-9) with another touchbar and so forth until 2020 when Tim Cook will reveal that the MacBook Pro is just a tablet!
Look carefully and you will see tremendous UI improvements; They screen is WAY better, brightest in its class; The sound is WAY better, best of any laptop. The disk is WAY faster, really astonishingly fast; The touchbar is WAY better only because it includes TouchID which means instant logins (no more fumbling with CAPS LOCK key!) The keyboard absolutely sucks, but it sucks no worse than any other stupid-thin keyboard on a device in this class. So overall, this machine is an amazing improvement, completely ruined by a brain-dead mania for USB 3.1c ports ...