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US President Barack Obama Criticizes Facebook of Spreading Fake Stories (www.bgr.in)

An anonymous reader writes:Concerned over the spread of fake news on the social networking giant, US President Barack Obama has criticized Facebook, saying fake stories on social networks are spreading lies this election. Speaking at a rally for Hillary Clinton at University of Michigan, Obama said: "The way campaigns have unfolded, we just start accepting crazy stuff as normal and people if they just repeat attacks enough and outright lies over and over again. As long as it's on Facebook, and people can see it, as long as it's on social media, people start believing it, and it creates this dust cloud of nonsense," he told the gathering. A recent BuzzFeed investigation found that 38 percent of posts shared from three large right-wing politics pages on Facebook included "false or misleading information."

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  1. Going by this logic by elvesrus · · Score: 2

    So going by this logic politicians should just shut up and let their record stand for itself.

    1. Re:Going by this logic by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It isn't lying if you don't tell the story at all. When you're in active collusion with a candidate's campaign and present yourself as "unbiased news source", be it from MSNBC/CBS/ABC/CNN or Fox News, you've lost whatever credibility you're trying to peddle. And if you're not credible news outlet, then what are you actually peddling?

      It is so bad, they aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

      Which leads to "fake news stories" on Facebook. When the people are desperate for REAL coverage, rather than reading Talking Points / biased propaganda from the Campaigns, they will reach out to whatever actually sounds right, regardless of whether it is or not. If you want to blame someone, blame the MSM news for not covering anything even remotely close to an unbiased way.

      There is no way in hell that Hillary or Donald are nominees in any campaign except via collusion between campaigns and media. I am 100% convinced that Hillary wanted Donald as the (R) candidate, and the media set him up to win. The fact that she is pretty much tied with him is proof how lousy a candidate she actually is.

      I'm just glad it is almost over, and we can watch the final episode of the USA.

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    2. Re:Going by this logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      > I am 100% convinced that Hillary wanted Donald as the (R) candidate, and the media set him up to win.

      Those two are not necessarily connected.
      Les Moonves is literally on the record saying why CBS gave Donald Trump tons of coverage, and it was not about helping Clinton, it was about helping CBS. Trump's polarizing and hyperbolic effect on the election brought in tons of ad spend.

    3. Re:Going by this logic by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are many kinds of lying. There is lying by commission and lying by omission. If you purport to tell the truth but only tell carefully selected truths, you are lying, even if what you say is completely factually accurate.

      Now social media companies don't actually lie; what they do doesn't even rise to the standard of a lie. A liar tries to get you to believe a proposition he believes to be false. What social media companies want to do is provoke a reaction.

      In other words the nearly half of adults who get their news from social media are getting their news from trolls and bullshitters.

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    4. Re:Going by this logic by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am not a (R) or (D), and can actually see that there is collusion between campaigns and the MSM news outlets. They aren't even trying to hide it. It isn't even in question, except by people who are deliberately ignorant or just not paying attention.

      As for the "Clinton's had someone killed" it is right up there with "Trump is a NAZI and a KKK Member" ... no actual proof is needed for a nice conspiracy.

      BTW, both are awful candidates based not on what conspiracies say, but what they have actually said and done. The only explanation for their existence is that the MSM is actively participating in this debacle.

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  2. Re:BuzzFeed? by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A better question - what is this "Facebook of Spreading Fake Stories" that BO is criticizing?

  3. 1984 by Roodvlees · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "To combat the lies being spread about me; I'd like you to rev up the censorship"

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    1. Re:1984 by s.petry · · Score: 2

      Propaganda only works when real world information is suppressed. GP may know better than you what censorship is.

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    2. Re:1984 by gtall · · Score: 2

      In addition, propaganda also works when people choose to believe it over real world information.

      Now I must go off to think about what real world information is. Maybe I'll know it when I see it. In any case, the internet allows people to believe their preconceived notions are true. I guess real world information, to count as information and not disinformation, must entail a web of consistent, interlocking facts. Hmmm...seems indiscernible from conspiracy "theories". Maybe real world information is a bit like a scientific theory. It must be open to testing. Conspiracy theories typically are not.

    3. Re:1984 by Kohath · · Score: 2

      No. He's outsourcing the censoring to the government-aligned partisans that manage Facebook. His inner circle still gets to control what you see and what you don't, but he gets to pretend to have clean hands.

    4. Re:1984 by nine-times · · Score: 2

      I reread his quotes. I still can't find anywhere that Obama has even asked Facebook to filter misleading stories. He just comments that there's misleading/false stories being posted on Facebook.

      But incidentally, Facebook does have the right to censor/filter content on their site. That still doesn't qualify as a violation of your freedom of speech. If you don't like Facebook's policies, you have the right and the ability to not-use Facebook, to use another service, or to create another service with different rules. Nobody is oppressing you just because Obama has made a true statement that there's some nonsense on Facebook.

      I mean, really, are you kidding me?

  4. Fake Stories...about me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When they were spreading stuff against my political foes, it was cool. But now that my party is getting some bad press, it ain't cool no more. Need to stop this! Think of the children!!

  5. Headline by rossdee · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Obama criticizes Facebook of...

    Perhaps you mean criticizes FB for spreading fake stories

  6. So 62 % of the posts are not false or misleading? by Diss+Champ · · Score: 3, Funny

    That implies two things:
    1. The quality of Facebook has increased substantially.
    2. We're screwed.

  7. Go MSM! by Orgasmatron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We were so much better off when all of our fake stories were carefully handcrafted by the propaganda wing of the Democrat party (CNN, MSN, CBS, FNC, etc.).

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    1. Re:Go MSM! by DogDude · · Score: 2

      "FNC" is a wing of the Democratic party? What in the fuck are you talking about?

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    2. Re:Go MSM! by s.petry · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Have you ever watched Bill O'Reilly or Megan Kelly? They repeat the same talking points as the other MSM and for the most part allow narratives to run unchecked. The only people on that network who are pro-Trump is Hannity and part timer Jeanine Pirro.

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    3. Re:Go MSM! by pastafazou · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not yet, but they're very close to having a monopoly now that Ailes is out at Fox. If you've been following the Wikileaks releases, you would have seen that all of the mainstream media were colluding and working with the Clinton team. All of Hollywood and all of the big networks working overtime for Clinton, controlling the news you hear, massaging, filtering, and shaping the message being delivered to the populace. If not for the internet, Reddit, Wikileaks, and a few others, Clinton would be winning all 50 states and nobody would have a clue.

    4. Re:Go MSM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't forget Buzzfeed. I love how they are now suddenly a "legitimate news source" just because they've been pro-Hillary and anti-Trump.

      People only want to hear the lies that suit their worldview. All that pretentious nonsense about morals, truth and objectivity is nothing but bullshit.

    5. Re:Go MSM! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's more like, Clinton has been doing politics for decades, so has her husband, both have held high office and over that time have developed connections and contacts in the media, as every other politician does. Trump doesn't have that and some of the people in his own party who would normally be helping him are kinda reluctant to.

      This reminds me a lot of the stupid outrage over journalists being friends with various game developers that came out of GamerGate's "ethics" cover story. That's how journalism works, people don't tell journalists stuff if they don't know them or like them. The professional part is being able to be friends or at least friendly while still being objective.

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  8. Re:"US President Barack Obama" by fche · · Score: 2

    They're just rubbing salt into the wound.

  9. The government is concerned about spreading lies.. by ewhenn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The government is concerned about spreading lies and that it may dupe people into making choices that they wouldn't make if they knew the real facts? Talk about blistering irony...

  10. Frame of reference by axlash · · Score: 2

    It's getting to the point where in the future, nobody will be able to tell what's true and what's false.

    That's really problematic, because if two people who need to dialogue with each other don't have a 'frame of reference', how *can* they discuss anything?

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  11. Normal one-sided BS by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2

    A recent BuzzFeed investigation found that 38 percent of posts shared from three large right-wing politics pages on Facebook included "false or misleading information."

    Yeah, but, let me guess, Media Matters, TPM, etc. were found to be bastions of honesty, right?

    I had to hide all posts from about half my facebook "friends" on both sides of the political aisle because so much of it was just outright falsehoods. It was different kinds of falsehoods, but still lies.

  12. Re:You mean like the story... by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Informative

    Isn't it great that sheep have such short memories. That is a little different than saying that she would say anything to be President and that she was completely unqualified. Of course, that unqualified claim was 8 years ago, look how much she accomplished in those eight years. Arming ISIS, Benghazii, the deal with the Russians that gives them Uranium, all of our other great success in the middle east, not to mention the Clinton Foundation that has raised hundreds of millions for Hatti and managed to funnel a few million to Hatti through well connected "Friends of Bill".

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  13. Had Sanders been the nominee... by unixisc · · Score: 2

    ...this would not be such a tight race. And I say this as a Trump supporter

    1. Re:Had Sanders been the nominee... by unixisc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's no world view, it's an observable fact. Throughout this election, people have noted how both Trump and Clinton have high negatives. Had Sanders been the candidate, the high negatives would only have pulled down Trump, and we'd be looking at a Democrat landslide. Trump himself has admitted as much

  14. Re:Too late.... by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Keeps trying to fix a broken system after the damage has already been done. If he wanted to fix this, he would need to restart the primaries.

    Obama has no interest in fixing this, or even enforcing the laws. Hell he came right out the other day telling illegals and non-citizens to vote, and there would be no prosecution on it.

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  15. Re:Liar-In-Chief by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Informative

    Watch the video for yourself. He also promises not to investigate illegal immigrants for illegally voting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  16. Lies? You mean like Obama's lies? by acoustix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "My position hasn’t changed" on using executive authority to address immigration issues.
    Says his comment about extremists being a JV team "wasn’t specifically referring to" Islamic State.
    "Most young Americans right now, they’re not covered" by health insurance.
    "We’ve got close to 7 million Americans who have access to health care for the first time because of Medicaid expansion."
    The "most realistic estimates" for jobs created by Keystone XL are "maybe 2,000 jobs during the construction of the pipeline."
    "We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas."
    "Under Gov. Romney's definition ... Donald Trump is a small business."
    Because of Obamacare, "over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up -- it's true -- but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years." Obamacare hadn't been implemented yet.
    "Fast and Furious" began under the Bush administration.
    Says Mitt Romney would deny gay people the right to adopt children.
    If the Supreme Court throws out the federal health care law, it "would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress."
    "Thirty million Americans, including a lot of people in Florida, are going to be able to get healthcare next year because of that law."
    Under President Barack Obama, the United States has "doubled our exports."
    "I didn't raise taxes once."
    "The vast majority of the money I got was from small donors all across the country.''
    "We've excluded lobbyists from policy making jobs."
    Insurers delayed an Illinois man's treatment, "and he died because of it."
    Health reform will "give every American the same opportunity" to buy health insurance the way members of Congress do.
    Preventive care "saves money."
    "I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter."
    Shovel-ready jobs
    Keep your doctor
    Foreign money in campaigns

    The list goes on and on...

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  17. Dear Obama, Clinton, and Trump.... by MitchDev · · Score: 2

    Facebook is a SOCIAL NETWORK, NOT a news source.

    Facebook is all about opinion and whatever people post. If you treat it a an actual source with journalistic integrity, you are a dumbass.

    1. Re:Dear Obama, Clinton, and Trump.... by Kohath · · Score: 2

      No. Facebook is an advertising platform. And a playground for silicon valley douchebags to run social experiments on people.

  18. Re:BuzzFeed? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny

    A better question - what is this "Facebook of Spreading Fake Stories" that BO is criticizing?

    I dunno.

    BUT....everyone please remember, with the expected high voter turnouts this year, in order to endure everyone can cast their votes, THS year, we are having the Republicans vote today, and tomorrow is reserved for the Democrats to cast their ballots.

    This is the best way to keep things fair, and ensure everyone gets to vote and have their vote counted.

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  19. Obama's Final Executive Order... by pipingguy · · Score: 2

    Department of Truth

  20. Re:Liar-In-Chief by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Are you that dumb? If you are undocumented, you cannot register to vote or vote. He is talking about LEGAL citizens who may have undocumented friends going to vote.

    Of course, you would have all the -others- tossed out even if they are citizens. Xenophobes like you have no place in modern society. Either we learn to get along with each other (and we have been doing better lately even though the news makes you think otherwize), or we will wind up destroying ourselves, or that which makes us human.

    Quit using your fear as a driver for your beliefs.

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  21. Skip TFA, read the BuzzFeed article by bradley13 · · Score: 2

    38 percent of posts shared from three large right-wing politics pages on Facebook included "false or misleading information."

    Of course, the posts shared from left-wing pages were completely accurate. /sarc TFA is crap. It implies that the right-wing sites are unreliable, but ignores the negative information about the left-wing sites.

    The BuzzFeed article is long, and gives lots of interesting detail. It even appears to be pretty balanced, not pushing any particular political agenda. No surprise, extremist sites on both sides make shit up to support their views. The site with the highest proportion of false content was right-wing, but it was also the site with the least content. The site with the most false content (in absolute numbers, more than all other sites combined) was a leftist site.

    With that background,

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  22. Re:People are not logical by phlinn · · Score: 2

    Illegal immigrants != immigrants. Although not a subscriber so I can't see all of it, that article starts off referring just to immigrants. Opponents of border control consistently combine legal and illegal immigrants into one group when spouting statistics, which means they are ignoring the actual point. People who choose to violate the law in order to immigrate are not particularly prone to respect other laws, while jumping through the convoluted mess of our immigration laws suggests someone who is more law abiding than most. Collecting any statistics on illegal immigrants is going to be difficult because they are actively trying to hide, meaning that the combined group is going to be dominated by legal immigrants.

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  23. Re:Liar-In-Chief by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Informative

    Female host:

    "Many of the millennials, dreamers, undocumented -- undocumented citizens, I call them citizens because they contribute to this country. Are fearful of voting, so if I vote will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family and deport us?"

    Obama:

    Not true. And the reason is, first of all ... when you vote, you are a citizen yourself and there is not a situation where the voting rules are somehow transferred over and people start investigating, and etc. The sanctity of the vote, is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who is undocumented, you have an even greater reason to vote."

    Seriously, fuck you. You can try and cut that anyway you want, but it doesn't get much clearer than that.

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  24. pissing off the mob == pageviews++ by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some people are saying that Hillary is a shapeshifting reptoid.
    Myself, I wouldn't know.
    But that's what they're saying on the Facebooks.
    We just provide the lies, you pick which one fits your preconceived bias.

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    1. Re:pissing off the mob == pageviews++ by budgenator · · Score: 2

      I've been seriously entertaining the notion that Both Democratic and Republican minions have been planting false stories. It seems that if one party can bait the other parties followers into buying a false story, then they easily disprove the false story it hurts the opponents credibility. The hard part is to figure out if it's just a bunch of independent agents who happen to find a false story that fits their preconceived notion of the Evil(tm) other guys and throw out the bait or if there is some kind of hive-mind in the background.

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    2. Re:pissing off the mob == pageviews++ by e3m4n · · Score: 2

      that, Sir, is an insult to reptoids. They are not that cold blooded and heartless and they often consider what is good for the species before indulging in self gain.

  25. Re:"US President Barack Obama" by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

    You bring up "his party," but I didn't read that from TFA. But you brought it up, why?

  26. Re:You mean like the story... by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I remember Obama saying both of these things in the 2008 campaign and you can find videos of him saying them on YouTube. Mentioning O'Rielly in your post can't change that truth.

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  27. Re:Liar-In-Chief by Kohath · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you are undocumented, you cannot legally register to vote or vote. (FTFY) But go ahead. He says no one is checking or investigating. And he's got your back if anyone finds out.

  28. Re:Too late.... by sherr · · Score: 2

    This is a lie. The context is talking about voter suppression and a fear of people deporting the families of voters. "When you vote - you are a citizen yourself - and there is not a situation where the voting roles are transferred over [to immigration or anyone else]." "Part of what is important for Latino Citizens, is to make your voice heard because you are voting for yourself, you are voting friends, family, etc, who may not have a voice, who can't legally vote." He's talking about Citizens voting, not ever anything else. Only Citizens can vote, you have to be a Citizen to get on the voter roles in the first place and they always check the voter roles.

  29. Re:Liar-In-Chief by sherr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Obama misunderstood the question because of the host's incorrect use of the word "citizen". If you listen to what he says it's clear.

    "When you vote - you are a citizen yourself - and there is not a situation where the voting roles are transferred over [to immigration or anyone else]."
    He's answering the question (which is not quite what she asked) "If I vote will immigration come for my undocumented family members", and the answer is no.

    "Part of what is important for Latino Citizens, is to make your voice heard because you are voting for yourself, you are voting friends, family, etc, who may not have a voice, who can't legally vote."
    He's very clearly saying that Citizens can and should vote in a way that supports their families and friends. He never says that Illegals can or should vote.

    And they can't. Only Citizens can vote, you have to be a Citizen to get on the voter roles in the first place and they always check the voter roles.

  30. Re:Too late.... by IMightB · · Score: 5, Informative

    he specifically said "If you are a Latino Citizen with undocumented family members... you have more reason to vote" He never encouraged illegals to vote.

  31. Re:You mean like the story... by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

    You say that what I posted is lies, period.

    Maybe you are just a liar yourself and want to convince people that what I posted isn't true. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe you are not a liar, maybe you just react to things that you don't like by calling other people liars and are too stupid to search this for yourself and see that Obama had very different things to say about Crooked Hillary 8 years ago.

    Here are a few links to get you started, but don't take my word for this, Google "youtube obama 2008 hillary clinton" yourself and see what gems you come across.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKFC9r2xzYk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVS8-1KwS2c

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6f4tZFZ_-g

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  32. Re:Too late.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now, here is the better question, if those people are working and contributing to society and have been doing so for a long time, why shouldn't they have a say in things?

    Simple, because there are NOT FUCKING CITIZENS!!

    Geez, how hard is that to get?

    They came here illegally....they are disqualified from voting and they have started out their journey on US soil by committing a crime. If you don't like that, change the laws, but you can't change the fact that they are here by breaking immigration laws.

    Ok..so, you say anyone here in the US during elections should be able to vote? Ok..are there other countries in the world that are so haphazard with their election laws?

    By your logic, you'd be cool with other countries sending floods of folks here to try to sway elections. How about lots of Russians flooding in close swing states...they come here, overstay their visa...and keep doing this with more and more people coming over during the 4 years between elections and then they all get to vote and sway our elections based on what their mother country wants.

    Far fetched? It could happen.

    Ok, how long do you think you should have if you are in the US illegally before you can vote. 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? If you are here illegally, how can you prove it?

    Those documents to prove how long you are here could easily be forged....

    Again..there are rules and laws on the books. If you don't like them, vote to get representative that will change them, get involved...promote your cause.

    But we can just ignore things we don't like, or it falls into anarchy.

    And other external countries to the US do NOT have our best interest in mind, they have their best interest. That's what a countries government is supposed to do.

    So, look. I don't think hardly anyone has a problem with immigrants. Legal immigrants.

    Yes, come to the US...just sign the fucking guest book on the way in....

    And one last hint..if you want to come here, be a citizen and contribute...quit waving other countries' flags when you're on TV protesting. It doesn't help your cause much.

    If you wanted things like they were in your home country..stay there.

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  33. Re:BuzzFeed? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

    BUT....everyone please remember, with the expected high voter turnouts this year, in order to endure everyone can cast their votes, THS year, we are having the Republicans vote today, and tomorrow is reserved for the Democrats to cast their ballots.

    This is the best way to keep things fair, and ensure everyone gets to vote and have their vote counted. You are scum. This is not a joking matter.

    Lighten up Francis....

    Geez, if you're stupid enough to believe a joke like this, you kinda deserve what you get.

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  34. Re:Too late.... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

    he specifically said "If you are a Latino Citizen with undocumented family members... you have more reason to vote" He never encouraged illegals to vote.

    Unfortunately, you are mistaken.

    As near as I can transcribe her exact line, with meaning and intent, Gina Rodriquez said:

    Many of the millennials, dreamers, undocumented, uh, citizens - and I call them citizens 'cause they contribute to this country - are fearful of voting. So if I vote*, will Immigration know where I live, will they come for my family, and deport us?

    *With the "I vote", she is putting herself in the role of a young illegal immigrant who wants to vote. She calls them 'citizens', just 'cause she wants to, not because they actually are. That is the situation President Obama is replying to.

    You can make an argument on whether he refuted her application of "citizen" to illegal immigrants, and his response was only for US citizens. However, he didn't correct her definition of citizen before replying, and possibly used her definition when he answered her question. His response:

    Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote you are a citizen yourself and there's not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over, and people start investigating, etc. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who, maybe, is undocumented, then you an even greater reason to vote.

    So, did President Obama accept Gina Rodriquez's redefinition of the term "citizen" to apply to illegal aliens in his response? Did he affirm it by telling the 'dreamers' that "when you vote, you are a citizen"? He certainly didn't dispute it.

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  35. Re:BuzzFeed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I would ask you to look up the governor election in Washington state where the City of Seattle "found" bags of ballots that were NOT counted on the first go around, but were counted on the recount because of the closeness of the election. The Dems won because of the "found" bags.

    ""King County Council Chairman Larry Phillips was at a Democratic Party office in Seattle on Sunday December 12, reviewing a list of voters whose absentee votes had been rejected due to signature problems, when to his surprise he found his own name listed. Phillips said he was certain he had filled out and signed his ballot correctly, and asked the county election officials to investigate the discrepancy. They discovered that Phillips' signature had somehow failed to be scanned into the election computer system after he submitted his request for an absentee ballot. Election workers claimed that they had received Phillips' absentee ballot in the mail, but they could not find his signature in the computer system to compare to the one on the ballot envelope, so they mistakenly rejected the ballot instead of following the standard procedure of checking it against the signature of Phillips' physical voter registration card that was on file. The discovery prompted King County Director of Elections Dean Logan to order his staff to search the computers to see if any other ballots had been incorrectly rejected.

    Logan announced on December 13 that 561 absentee ballots in the county had been wrongly rejected due to an administrative error.[13] The next day, workers retrieving voting machines from precinct storage found an additional 12 ballots, bringing the total to 572 newly discovered ballots. Logan admitted the lost ballots were an oversight on the part of his department, and insisted that the found ballots be counted. On December 15, the King County Canvassing Board voted 2-1 in favor of counting the discovered ballots.

    Upon examination of the discovered ballots, it was further discovered that, with the exception of two ballots, none of the ballots had been cast by voters whose surnames began with the letters A, B, or C.[14] There was a further search for more ballots, and on December 17, county workers discovered a tray in a warehouse with an additional 162 previously uncounted ballots.[14] All together, 723 uncounted or improperly rejected ballots were discovered in King County during the manual hand recount."" --https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_gubernatorial_election,_2004

  36. Re:BuzzFeed? by bugs2squash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it's not this "joke" then it's some other "joke", a call to say there's no need to vote or that you're guilty of a voting violation.

    It's all mean spirited, disrespectful and crooked and should be prosecuted whichever side is doing it.

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  37. Re:BuzzFeed? by gmack · · Score: 3, Informative
    So far in the last month of this election this is the "news" I've seen:
    • *Obama is planning to declare Sharia law.
    • *Obama is planning to declare martial law and be president for life.
    • *Obama is the Anti-Christ
    • *Hillary is planning to declare Sharia law
    • *The UN is going to invade the US and take away people's guns
    • *Obama has invited the Chinese to invade Texas in the event that Trump wins
    • *NBC already has the fake election results ready.

    And that's just the blatant stuff and excludes Breitbart.

  38. Re:Hillary is a queen by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

    "the whole thing" Which version? The original Hebrew? Latin? Aramaic? Greek? Which books? Is the Gospel of Thomas, Mary, Judas, etc included? Don't forget the original cantillation verse set too.