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US President Barack Obama Criticizes Facebook of Spreading Fake Stories (www.bgr.in)
An anonymous reader writes:Concerned over the spread of fake news on the social networking giant, US President Barack Obama has criticized Facebook, saying fake stories on social networks are spreading lies this election. Speaking at a rally for Hillary Clinton at University of Michigan, Obama said: "The way campaigns have unfolded, we just start accepting crazy stuff as normal and people if they just repeat attacks enough and outright lies over and over again. As long as it's on Facebook, and people can see it, as long as it's on social media, people start believing it, and it creates this dust cloud of nonsense," he told the gathering. A recent BuzzFeed investigation found that 38 percent of posts shared from three large right-wing politics pages on Facebook included "false or misleading information."
I recent study (by me) has determined that BuzzFeed is a left-wing site.
So going by this logic politicians should just shut up and let their record stand for itself.
If he wanted to say this, he should have said it during the primary when it was flooded with lies about Sanders claiming he was communist, would bankrupt the nation and give them a 90% tax rate.
Won't lie, I have seen more lies no days before the general, but it has been flooded for over a year.
Keeps trying to fix a broken system after the damage has already been done. If he wanted to fix this, he would need to restart the primaries.
"To combat the lies being spread about me; I'd like you to rev up the censorship"
Thank you, Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden and so many others, for courageously defending humanity, my freedom and more!
When they were spreading stuff against my political foes, it was cool. But now that my party is getting some bad press, it ain't cool no more. Need to stop this! Think of the children!!
"Obama criticizes Facebook of...
Perhaps you mean criticizes FB for spreading fake stories
Facts can be used to lie. You can state things that are true and still make someone arrive at an incorrect conclusion or solution.
That implies two things:
1. The quality of Facebook has increased substantially.
2. We're screwed.
If Trump is wrong then you are just as wrong. There is zero evidence that illegal aliens commit crime at a lower rate than regular citizens. Zero.
There's some evidence that because illegal aliens are much harder to track that the crimes they commit are underreported and they are not properly prosecuted for their crimes. That's undeniable.
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
We were so much better off when all of our fake stories were carefully handcrafted by the propaganda wing of the Democrat party (CNN, MSN, CBS, FNC, etc.).
See that "Preview" button?
They're just rubbing salt into the wound.
The government is concerned about spreading lies and that it may dupe people into making choices that they wouldn't make if they knew the real facts? Talk about blistering irony...
It's a factually correct statement if by qualified he means experienced.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
There is zero evidence that illegal aliens commit crime at a lower rate than regular citizens. Zero.
Facts seem to disagree with your uninformed opinion.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/th...
I don't respond to AC's.
Obama never said that. You're lying.
I don't respond to AC's.
The story was taken from bgr.in, which explains why. On a different note, the president wants people to just swallow what the networks feed us - CNN, CBS, NBC, PBS, ABC et al so that they'll accept anything from his party
Just another of those Internet false rumors. You gotta be born in this country to be President.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Just don't attempt censorship. That is not allowed. Evidently the government wants a monopoly on deception.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
It's getting to the point where in the future, nobody will be able to tell what's true and what's false.
That's really problematic, because if two people who need to dialogue with each other don't have a 'frame of reference', how *can* they discuss anything?
Deal with reality - the world as it is - rather than ideality - the world as you would like it to be.
And she made hundreds of billions for her associates. Her legacy cannot be disputed.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Except that he has had the powers of the president for the last 8 years and run w/ it. So now, it's rather late to pretend that his presidency is a rumor
everything everywhere is misinformation and lies. All of it. Period. Not a single iota of data released for mass consumption is intended to inform. It is intended to confuse and weaken.
A recent BuzzFeed investigation found that 38 percent of posts shared from three large right-wing politics pages on Facebook included "false or misleading information."
Yeah, but, let me guess, Media Matters, TPM, etc. were found to be bastions of honesty, right?
I had to hide all posts from about half my facebook "friends" on both sides of the political aisle because so much of it was just outright falsehoods. It was different kinds of falsehoods, but still lies.
Do you have ESP?
That's rich.
Isn't it great that sheep have such short memories. That is a little different than saying that she would say anything to be President and that she was completely unqualified. Of course, that unqualified claim was 8 years ago, look how much she accomplished in those eight years. Arming ISIS, Benghazii, the deal with the Russians that gives them Uranium, all of our other great success in the middle east, not to mention the Clinton Foundation that has raised hundreds of millions for Hatti and managed to funnel a few million to Hatti through well connected "Friends of Bill".
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
...this would not be such a tight race. And I say this as a Trump supporter
Watch the video for yourself. He also promises not to investigate illegal immigrants for illegally voting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
"My position hasn’t changed" on using executive authority to address immigration issues. ... Donald Trump is a small business."
Says his comment about extremists being a JV team "wasn’t specifically referring to" Islamic State.
"Most young Americans right now, they’re not covered" by health insurance.
"We’ve got close to 7 million Americans who have access to health care for the first time because of Medicaid expansion."
The "most realistic estimates" for jobs created by Keystone XL are "maybe 2,000 jobs during the construction of the pipeline."
"We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas."
"Under Gov. Romney's definition
Because of Obamacare, "over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up -- it's true -- but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years." Obamacare hadn't been implemented yet.
"Fast and Furious" began under the Bush administration.
Says Mitt Romney would deny gay people the right to adopt children.
If the Supreme Court throws out the federal health care law, it "would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress."
"Thirty million Americans, including a lot of people in Florida, are going to be able to get healthcare next year because of that law."
Under President Barack Obama, the United States has "doubled our exports."
"I didn't raise taxes once."
"The vast majority of the money I got was from small donors all across the country.''
"We've excluded lobbyists from policy making jobs."
Insurers delayed an Illinois man's treatment, "and he died because of it."
Health reform will "give every American the same opportunity" to buy health insurance the way members of Congress do.
Preventive care "saves money."
"I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter."
Shovel-ready jobs
Keep your doctor
Foreign money in campaigns
The list goes on and on...
"A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
He's absolutely right. There was even one crooked politician who was spreading lies about Russia trying to help her opponent and even hacking her email (even though she also claimed that her insecure email server was never hacked) when she was actually the one making deals with Russia that were bad for this country. Also "swift-boating" her opponent with a barrage of false last minute sexual claims (gee, they are all so obviously false but there are so many of them ....). Lets blame Facebook rather than the candidates.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Facebook is a SOCIAL NETWORK, NOT a news source.
Facebook is all about opinion and whatever people post. If you treat it a an actual source with journalistic integrity, you are a dumbass.
Is slashdot farming its editing out to China? Either that, or you misspelled "for". Bad grammar is fine in a comment, NOT in a story or headline.
Free Martian Whores!
Could you explain how the immigration status of a perpetrator could figure in to the crime statistics reported by police? Crime stats are not based on prosecutions, they are based on crimes reported to police. If a crime is committed and the perpetrator is not caught, it still figures in the statistics.
The only possible way it could happen is if crimes where illegals immigrants are the victim are not reported because they are afraid of talking to authorities, but I don't think that's what you mean.
You are welcome on my lawn.
From the religious perspective...God doesn't just judge people, but nations as well. The belief is that if our nation turns to this lifestyle, the country will fall.
Department of Truth
...Facebook isn't doing anything, but allowing users that are abiding by its terms of service to post whatever they want. There is no law against this because this is a free country, and there is this thing called freedom of speech! Second: Facebook isn't a news site, and it doesn't produce most of the content contained on Facebook. Facebook is a user driven site, and users are free to post pretty much anything they want as long as it doesn't violate Facebook's terms of service. If other people are dumb enough to believe false news stories without doing research on the topic then that is their priority, and the government has no business telling these idiots what to believe or not believe. Also the government has no right to try and persuade Facebook to protect these idiots. In fact please don't! Let natural selection take its course. As I have seen plenty of hazardous memes on Facebook that should cause idiots like this to do something stupid resulting in certain fatal injury.
Of course, you would have all the -others- tossed out even if they are citizens. Xenophobes like you have no place in modern society. Either we learn to get along with each other (and we have been doing better lately even though the news makes you think otherwize), or we will wind up destroying ourselves, or that which makes us human.
Quit using your fear as a driver for your beliefs.
Silence is a state of mime.
38 percent of posts shared from three large right-wing politics pages on Facebook included "false or misleading information."
Of course, the posts shared from left-wing pages were completely accurate. /sarc TFA is crap. It implies that the right-wing sites are unreliable, but ignores the negative information about the left-wing sites.
The BuzzFeed article is long, and gives lots of interesting detail. It even appears to be pretty balanced, not pushing any particular political agenda. No surprise, extremist sites on both sides make shit up to support their views. The site with the highest proportion of false content was right-wing, but it was also the site with the least content. The site with the most false content (in absolute numbers, more than all other sites combined) was a leftist site.
With that background,
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
You don't generally know the immigration status of the perp when you report a crime. Even if you think you know (racist), they won't count it.
Based on standard lying with statistics methods. The % of crime the is attributed to illegal aliens is that for which they are convicted. All other crimes are not proven to be committed by illegals and are the denominator.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Except Obama said "...the most qualified candidate EVER."
Which is untrue. Bernie Sanders had more experience.
It's not the fault of FaceBook. It's the fault of people who WANT and NEED to believe the bullshit in order to prop up their otherwise unsustainable sense of white victimization. If FB did not exist, they'd still believe all of Trump's lies.
Illegal immigrants != immigrants. Although not a subscriber so I can't see all of it, that article starts off referring just to immigrants. Opponents of border control consistently combine legal and illegal immigrants into one group when spouting statistics, which means they are ignoring the actual point. People who choose to violate the law in order to immigrate are not particularly prone to respect other laws, while jumping through the convoluted mess of our immigration laws suggests someone who is more law abiding than most. Collecting any statistics on illegal immigrants is going to be difficult because they are actively trying to hide, meaning that the combined group is going to be dominated by legal immigrants.
"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny! Free men pull in all sorts of directions" -- Havelock Vetinari
Female host:
"Many of the millennials, dreamers, undocumented -- undocumented citizens, I call them citizens because they contribute to this country. Are fearful of voting, so if I vote will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family and deport us?"
Obama:
Not true. And the reason is, first of all ... when you vote, you are a citizen yourself and there is not a situation where the voting rules are somehow transferred over and people start investigating, and etc. The sanctity of the vote, is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who is undocumented, you have an even greater reason to vote."
Seriously, fuck you. You can try and cut that anyway you want, but it doesn't get much clearer than that.
Om, nomnomnom...
Yep, this G-d fellow's a bit weird. A country has some people who don't follow whatever holy book, so then S/He gets to whack the innocents that had nothing to do with the transgression. If it were a human doing the whacking, we'd call them a psycho-killer, but if it is a Deity, well, then any amount of violence is deemed acceptable.
WTF is a "fake story?" Is The Lord of the Rings one of the fake ones or one of the real ones?
People believe stupid shit, and they also believe plausible-but-incorrect shit. Just say that.
Implying that stories come in two categories sounds like something a media company would say, to make you think they are somehow better than everyone else. Oh wait .. turns out the bullshit words are from this "bgr.in" rather than Obama himself. Well, isn't that an amazing coincidence?
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
Some people are saying that Hillary is a shapeshifting reptoid.
Myself, I wouldn't know.
But that's what they're saying on the Facebooks.
We just provide the lies, you pick which one fits your preconceived bias.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
You bring up "his party," but I didn't read that from TFA. But you brought it up, why?
> "we just start accepting crazy stuff as normal"
Maybe if all of them would stop lying and quit acting like the country is their personal playground/piggybank/etc, we wouldn't be "accepting crazy stuff as normal," and *some* sense of sanity could start coming back.
Maybe.
I remember Obama saying both of these things in the 2008 campaign and you can find videos of him saying them on YouTube. Mentioning O'Rielly in your post can't change that truth.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
If you are undocumented, you cannot legally register to vote or vote. (FTFY) But go ahead. He says no one is checking or investigating. And he's got your back if anyone finds out.
Crazy? Nonsense?
Have you seen who the candidates are?
Regardless, it's illegal for anybody but citizens to vote. Green Card holders/Permanent Residents can't vote, let alone F1 or H1B holders. They may be 'citizens' (sic) in terms of paying taxes, sending kids to local schools and so on, but they are still not allowed to vote, nor participate in jury duties
and you're an idiot. You can find the video on YouTube.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
I was discussing the people that the president does want us taking news from - the networks, who are shills for his party.
Obama misunderstood the question because of the host's incorrect use of the word "citizen". If you listen to what he says it's clear.
"When you vote - you are a citizen yourself - and there is not a situation where the voting roles are transferred over [to immigration or anyone else]."
He's answering the question (which is not quite what she asked) "If I vote will immigration come for my undocumented family members", and the answer is no.
"Part of what is important for Latino Citizens, is to make your voice heard because you are voting for yourself, you are voting friends, family, etc, who may not have a voice, who can't legally vote."
He's very clearly saying that Citizens can and should vote in a way that supports their families and friends. He never says that Illegals can or should vote.
And they can't. Only Citizens can vote, you have to be a Citizen to get on the voter roles in the first place and they always check the voter roles.
Doesn't anyone remember ATTACK WAAAATCH!"
According to that book ...
1) There are no innocents
2) Bad things happen to good people
3) Good things happen to bad people
4) It all works out in the end.
And a couple more bits say
A) Man thinks he is smarter than God
B) God's stupidity is smarter than Mans awesome intelligence.
C) God actually striking down someone is fairly rare, and usually has a point (i.e. not random)
D) Man has killed from the beginning.
I'll bet dollars to donuts you haven't read the whole thing. Which is kinda like "fake stories on Facebook"
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Of course, Obama's pledge to "get your back" runs out in mid-January. If Trump wins, me might have an interest in cleaning up the voter rolls and might discover hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants who have committed the FEDERAL FELONY of electoral fraud and might just do something about these repeat criminals as part of his effort to "drain the swamp". He might do something about the tens of thousands of Deceased-American active voters, too.
And which News programs do you think state facts of an event?
What the hell Joker you don't have access to Google at Arkhan Asylum?
OK I do not expect you to be as smart and informed as me to just know these things, but honestly you should at least be able to Google it.
A LOT, possibly even most countries have granted citizenship to illegal immigrants to their countries on some scale.
For example most recently Turkey and India have done so. Many European countries have done it in the past and recently.
Fact check: True. Buzzfeed is a left-wing site, almost as left-wing as CNN.
Don't fool yourself. Judges won't care. Government investigators won't care. They know how to play the game. They want that 6-figure pension. Nothing will change until they run out of other people's money.
Isn't that his point? He (and I won't even tell you if I'm talking about GP or Trump) has tied two totally-unrelated things together, in a reasonable and plausible-sounding way. If anyone is listening to one of these arguments, the other argument is just as good. OTOH if you're smart enough to call bullshit on one of them, the other one's bullshit leaps out at you, too.
Great example! You have just stated a very plausible-sounding idea. A non-critical reader wouldn't bother to check, and wouldn't be likely to notice that the "there is evidence" part of your example statement is just as bogus as the rest. Once someone starts pulling things out of their ass, they can pull support out of their ass too. Why merely lie when you can elaborately lie? Have your bogus PGP key be signed by lots of other bogus keys. It looks more "genuine" that way.
At this level of discussion, we've moved beyond how we normally solve real-world problems, and into faith-based discussions, countering religious preaching with religious preaching, contests in who best presses the emotional buttons of their audience, or .. to boil it down to a single word: art! Who doesn't seriously ENJOY that? I know I do.
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
Call me a skeptic, but I have rarely seen unscripted questions and answers in these sessions. If you believe President Obama is simply a moron who can't understand English okay. I happen to think he does understand English and gave the scripted answer to a scripted question. Perhaps I am too skeptical and cynical at this point, but recent events have cemented my position.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
He's upset because in previous election our political leaders were the ones spreading lies (for example Harry Reid and his claim about Romney not paying taxes for 10 years), but now the voters are doing it themselves, and it's less 'manageable'...
You've made statements about Hillary Clinton that are lies; period.
And your scary talent is that you think you have your finger on the pulse on what goes on in the Oval Office? Now I'm going across the street to Starbucks to get a pumpkin scone an another cup of coffee. Your words are not only lies, but pure comedy. Thanks, I needed some cheering up on this important election day.
I'm sorry for the loss of your husband Vince Foster. Has time started to heal the wounds?
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
"Many of the millennials, dreamers, undocumented -- undocumented citizens, I call them citizens because they contribute to this country. Are fearful of voting, so if I vote will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family and deport us?"
There are three categories of people mentioned:
So we're mixing completely different categories of people, including citizens and non-citizens, in a confusing way.
The actual question is "Are fearful of voting, so if I vote will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family and deport us?". The answer to that question is "no", actually regardless of it the voter is a citizen or not. Immigration will not know where you live because of your voter registration. That is what he explicitly says. He also tries to clarify that only citizens can vote in the same sentence, which in was a mistake.
Do you have any evidence that it's scripted, or that the host asked exactly the question that was in the script? Or is that just an assumption on your part so you can continue believing the narrative.
You haven't even bothered to try to explain the second quote or the rest of the speech. If you listen to what he says as a whole, he is very, very clearly talking about Citizens (only) voting. Yes I agree that if you take that one sentence out of context then it can be misconstrued to mean something else, but I think you are the one that does not understand English (or the voter registration process), not Obama.
Because, in the vastness of the Universe, with the probably tens of millions of intelligent species, the one thing an omnipotent infinite being cares about is whether Stan and Gary get hitched.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
He is Mr. "If you like your insurance plan, you can keep your insurance plan" and President "The first I found out about Hillary's email server was on the nightly news, like everybody else". Of course he complains that FB is lying to the American public?
Experienced at what? She's never run an organization, whether governmental or business. Secretary of State is a high level job, but it isn't the sort that has to draw up a budget, or negotiate employee contracts/pay/benefits. And she was only in that position for four years. Likewise, she was a one-term Senator before running for the nomination in 2008, not one who had decades of experience negotiating with colleagues to pass legislation. Finally, sleeping with a former president doesn't bestow experience either.
So, no, Hillary is not the most experienced or qualified candidate running this year, let alone ever.
And, once again I will repeat, I am not voting for Donald Trump.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
This problem with Facebook spreading false information has been going on for a long time. I remember a few years back, my acquaintances kept sharing news articles about some guy saying "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan," which turned out not to be true.
I think LifesABeach's kid is on his daddy's laptop and posting while the real LifesABeach is out voting for Trump.
No one with that low an ID can would act like such a twat. Or that's what I read on Facebook.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
The President is right! We should not allow misinformation to spread. FB algorithms should check each post for truthfulness and hide the unacceptable ones, and issue a warning to the poster. Three strikes and your account is blocked, or you are placed on a watchlist. Same goes for email, people spread misinformation via email, and gmail, yahoo and other providers should use similar algorithms. In fact they should all use the *same* algorithm, provided by a department in the government, let's call it Ministry of Truth, and they should be required by law to do so.
Actually three strikes is probably too many.
You say that what I posted is lies, period.
Maybe you are just a liar yourself and want to convince people that what I posted isn't true. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe you are not a liar, maybe you just react to things that you don't like by calling other people liars and are too stupid to search this for yourself and see that Obama had very different things to say about Crooked Hillary 8 years ago.
Here are a few links to get you started, but don't take my word for this, Google "youtube obama 2008 hillary clinton" yourself and see what gems you come across.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKFC9r2xzYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVS8-1KwS2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6f4tZFZ_-g
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
But Facebook has convinced that there is definitely a vast right wing idiocracy.
If people are illegally registering to vote, the issue is with the local registrars and polling places. He is not saying he has your back, he is saying if you are legally allowed to vote, you should vote and exercise your civic duty, and we will not use those records to harass your family (who may not be legal).
Silence is a state of mime.
Does Facebook get to criticize Obama for telling illegal aliens that they can become citizens by going out and voting illegally?
Fitting that you respond to an article about fake news stories with a post about a fake news story.
(and if you're referring to that FOX News clip of an interview Obama did then have a second look, the interview clip is obviously edited)
I stole this Sig
These are just fucking clips edited together in an ominous way.
You're not a liar, you're just a fucking idiot.
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If you have a family member who is undocumented, you have an even greater reason to vote
It's exactly as the GP said. He was clearly talking about people who themselves are citizens with the right to vote. You even quoted the relevant bit yourself.
If this one comment which can be twisted to mean something it clearly doesn't is your only evidence that Obama wants undocumented immigrants to go and vote, you need to fuck off Mashiki.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
More likely he and the GOP will use it as an excuse, just like they have already been doing for years, to purge Democrat voters.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
That's because people basically base their view of reality on their preconceived notions. Most people, even those here who seem to regard themselves as highly intelligent, really are dominated by their emotions and are slaves to their prejudices.
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Could say the same thing about radio, TV, and print... People used to send chain letters before there was the internet. God forbid rumors get spread! Just who exactly is he saying the onus is on to stop these 'false' stories anyway? Facebook? Next thing you know he'll be blaming microphone manufacturers for allowing people to give 'hateful' speeches.
Speak for yourself.
How is this any different than what the main stream media has been doing for decades?
Yea. Just a bunch of clips. If you watch the first one to the end you get a political ad that Obama ran (this particular one in S.C.) That states what Obama said repeatedly in 2008, that she would say anything to be President, with Obama's own I approve this message. If you search a little more (I didn't because some people just get angry when shown their beliefs are bullshit) you can find the Original speeches of Obama saying himself that Crooked Hillary will say anything to be President and that she isn't qualified. I've seen them on YouTube in the past few weeks and remembered them from 2008.
Just a bunch of clips. Just a bunch of facts. Why are you so mad about something that Obama said? You must be a racist!
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
I would question the evidence due to the under-reporting issue you point out, although I'd imagine it's out there and has reasonably-identifiable error bars.
Interestingly, there are statistics for number of murders committed per 100,000 persons, and specific statistics for number of murders committed by both Muslim immigrants (including refugees) and their children (from immigrant families across the last 20-30 years). Last time I dug through the numbers, the Americans committed 20 times as many murders per capita as the Muslims. If we assume Muslim terrorists are generally murderers (a weak-ish assumption, although it's more-likely that most murderers aren't terrorist and most terrorist are murderers than the opposite), that means Trump's insinuation that Muslim refugees and immigrants over the past decades are a flood of mostly-terrorists is actually not backed by facts--and also that red-blooded Americans are 20 times worse than Muslim refugees, on average (most likely concentrated in poverty-stricken, gang-riddled cities).
I haven't identified any information that makes me leery of Muslim refugees; and I'm pretty confident the information on that is pretty solid, especially compared to information about undocumented immigrants.
I'm usually more interested in his faulty economics arguments.
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Actually, after the strikes, why even put them on watchlists? Hand them over to ISIS, and let them get crucified, thereby discovering their inner Jesus
Only 38%, IMHO that is far below the level of false and misleading information that comes from large commercial news media, so I'd have to say Facebook and Twitter are doing a better job at providing unbiased news than cable or broadcast news organizations, such as FOX and CNN.
Why should the average person be held to a higher standard than an professional organization ?
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
No, it isn't. Gay sex isn't immoral, unethical, or anything like that, unlike child molestation. One is a type of "ignore the bully" approach with the other, you are giving child molesters an out.
Think about the concept of a Speakers' Corner. Someone can come up, gather a crowd and spread whatever message they want...to the people listening. Facebook is the ultimate extension of that...now anyone's opinion or rant, no matter how false, instantly arrives on the phones of millions of users. Because it comes from an "authoritative source" like Facebook, people will accept it as the truth. The speech itself isn't the dangerous part; it's the fact that people will blindly believe it's true.
People will say that people couldn't possibly be that stupid...but this election season I've heard some very interesting "facts" being shared by the more conservative people I work with. Older people especially grew up in the age of 3 network newscasts and a handful of newspapers of record providing the sole source of authoritative information. Average people absolutely don't get how computers, phones or Facebook work...they just know they work and accept the information coming in as facts.
The other problem is the echo chamber effect Facebook gives. If you're left wing or right wing, you're not going to have very many friends on the opposite side. So, you and your like-minded friends will share opinions that only appeal to your crowd. In that way, it acts like the comments section of a news website or talk radio. There is a narrow band of hardcore people who will spend hours and hours a day listening to conservative talk radio, and there is also a small group of people with the time and inclination to post rants on comment sections.
I'm of the opinion that our system works because we do have (or had) something of a filter on public rants and the spreading of misinformation. No one says we shouldn't criticize things, but having instant access to Facebook makes people shout louder because they can and it makes them feel better.
We need a Ministry of Truth
Because, in the vastness of the Universe, with the probably tens of millions of intelligent species, the one thing an omnipotent infinite being cares about is whether Stan and Gary get hitched.
Well of course God cares......Gary doesn't love Stan, he's just getting married for the money and the stability.
If you post as Anonymous Coward, don't expect a reply.
I don't even understand how "Citizen of Earth" understands that video to be a promise not to investigate illegal voting. It's pretty damned clear that he's not encouraging illegal immigrants from voting. He's talking about attempted voter suppression and intimidate, and trying to reassure new citizens (who might have friends/family here illegal, and may not feel completely confident yet about their own place in our society) that they won't face retaliation for voting.
He prefaces the whole thing by pointing out that you can't vote unless you're a citizen, and then his entire explanation is basically, "Voting is confidential, so nobody is going to come after you or your family based on who you voted for."
In fact, we probably want to catch them before they can get a strike to minimize damage, so we should really jail them for even thinking it.
BHO is going waay extreme here.
... so now he's saying what exactly?
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Facebook isn't biased in favor of liberals ENOUGH ??
Oh, boo.
I apply the same logic to Trump. That entitled one has never been said, "NO" to. Trumps humor is straight out of the 1950's. I know this at a personal level. Trump calls Putin, and David Duke, "Friend." His first friend wants to the play to New-Clear card. The second one thinks gassing your ass is just plain good fun. I've listened to both candidates. Trump is about Trump. Am I right? Just go ask Trump to hear your concerns; I'll watch it YouTube.
Then go tell your concerns to Clinton. Try it, put it on YouTube. But I already get the concept, she's people oriented.
But I've got a unanswered question, "why is the simple math of John Nash ignored by both candidates, and their respective political parties?" I just don't know how to present this narrative.
Obama misunderstood the question because of the host's incorrect use of the word "citizen". If you listen to what he says it's clear.
Oh piss off. Questions like this aren't even unscripted, that was as scripted of an interview as you can get. Not only did Obama know the questions beforehand, the people surrounding him did as well.
And they can't. Only Citizens can vote, you have to be a Citizen to get on the voter roles in the first place and they always check the voter roles.
Sure explains those cases of illegals voting multiple times doesn't it? Sure explains all those times the democrats are against voter ID laws doesn't it. "Only citizens can vote" and the only way you can tell who's a citizen is with voter ID laws, and ensuring that those voter rolls are accurate. Keep in mind that multiple elections have been lost with a hundred votes or less.
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God can only judge things down to the weight of a mustard seed. Anything smaller, like say atoms, are too small. Presumably that extends to the affairs of atoms or however they may choose to arrange into collections.
Nullius in verba
Only one news source? Why?
Unfortunately, the Nash Equilibrium of our two-party system is exactly what got us into this mess. Rubio, Kasich, and Cruz would not cooperate early on in the primary process, and we end up with this shit show.
If this one comment which can be twisted to mean something it clearly doesn't is your only evidence that Obama wants undocumented immigrants to go and vote, you need to fuck off Mashiki.
If you think that was unscripted or "twisted to mean something" and no one knew the question you're more naive then I already think you are. Couple this with 8 years of Obama and the DOJ refusing to prosecute illegals, release illegals, and telling ICE agents to let them through? Grow the fuck up. A tell-tale Obama unscripted event is multiple "uh, uh, uh, uh's." He knew exactly what he was saying.
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probably because of that whole story about Lot, his wife, and the city of Sodom. Controlling the masses is easier when you build a belief system that subscribes to indiscriminate smiting.
Obama misunderstood the question because of the host's incorrect use of the word "citizen". If you listen to what he says it's clear.
Oh piss off. Questions like this aren't even unscripted, that was as scripted of an interview as you can get. Not only did Obama know the questions beforehand, the people surrounding him did as well.
Even if it was scripted, the host clearly fumbled the question. Like, I don't see how there could possibly be any dispute about that. So if it was scripted then that explains it even better, as Obama was answering the slightly different (scripted) version of the question instead of what was actually asked.
And they can't. Only Citizens can vote, you have to be a Citizen to get on the voter roles in the first place and they always check the voter roles.
Sure explains those cases of illegals voting multiple times doesn't it? Sure explains all those times the democrats are against voter ID laws doesn't it. "Only citizens can vote" and the only way you can tell who's a citizen is with voter ID laws, and ensuring that those voter rolls are accurate. Keep in mind that multiple elections have been lost with a hundred votes or less.
Evidence please? All the actual evidence shows that in-person voter fraud does not really happen.
https://www.brennancenter.org/...
The only form of voter fraud that voter ID laws could possibly prevent, is to prevent someone from showing up and giving a false name and address. That's the whole idea, because your picture and name and address would be on the ID. The ID does not tell you who is a citizen and who is not any more than the voter role does, it merely confirms that you are who you say you are. So to commit that fraud right now a non-citizen would have to walk up and give the name and address of a citizen, and vote under that name. Not only would that already be doubly-illegal, but it's also easily detectable, as when the actual real citizen goes to vote they'll be flagged for voting twice and an investigation will ensue.
Democrats tend to oppose Voter ID first of all because if you're charging for the IDs then that is essentially a poll tax, which is blatantly unconstitutional (24th Amendment). No one should have to pay to vote; the right extends to all citizens, regardless of how poor. They also tend to oppose Voter ID because it's typically a blatant attempt by Republicans to suppress the vote of people who don't already have Driver's Licences (usually poor and Democratic, typically also a minority), not to solve any actual real fraud problems.
I've been involved in a couple events that have had TV News coverage, and I've come to the conclusion, if it's in the News, it's wrong.
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This is because "Citizen of Earth" is not a citizen of earth. He/she is locked in his fearful xenophobic shell. He is a citizen of fear.
Silence is a state of mime.
No worries, once you've shared it a "People also shared" windows pops up showing you 3 sites refuting what you just posted, so you can go back and delete it from your timeline after you've made an idiot of yourself.
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This transcript really is pretty clear. The concern Obama addressed was legal citizens who count illegal immigrants among their friends and/or family being afraid that someone might look into who they voted for (presumably the candidate less hostile to illegal immigrants) and start investigating their friends and family based on that information, possibly leading to their deportation.
As for the original question, I think the host was referring to illegal immigrants attempting to vote, but that isn't the question the president answered.
"The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
That's not what he said when he was running against her!
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Most social media is basically an eTabloid. People should trust it about as much as they would a paper one.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Even if it was scripted, the host clearly fumbled the question. Like, I don't see how there could possibly be any dispute about that. So if it was scripted then that explains it even better, as Obama was answering the slightly different (scripted) version of the question instead of what was actually asked.
That doesn't even make any sense. She was reading off a sheet of paper and reading off a teleprompter. If it was scripted it simply means that the exact phrasing of the answer was deliberate calculated.
Evidence please? All the actual evidence shows that in-person voter fraud does not really happen. ... Democrats tend to oppose Voter ID first of all because if you're charging for the IDs then that is essentially a poll tax
Since we're talking about voter fraud in general? It sure does happen. Hell there was an investigation into fraudulent registrations in every county in Indiana and it's still on-going. We see in-person voter fraud even here in Canada, including fraudulent affirmations under oath. Feel free to hit your favorite search engine, you can find them in both the US and Canada. The real problem is actually prosecuting the people *after* they've already voted.
You mean like those voter ID laws we have in Canada, that are more stringent in the US but require things like "a copy of a bill where you live, drivers license, a bill, a friend who will affirm under oath " that the democrats are against? Or in one case, where 53 different forms of identification were accepted. This is the same country where you can't even get welfare without ID, and require ID to buy controlled substances? Give your head a shake.
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Very clear indeed. He said "when you vote, you are a citizen," trying to clear up the confusing question. The implication is that if you are not a citizen you do not vote. Contrapositive statements have the same truth value as the original. He then elaborated that the votes of citizens with undocumented family members will not result in ICE knocking on your door. The question is poorly asked, but the answer cannot be parsed in the manner you seem determined to parse it.
Accuses of. Criticizes for.
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Facebook isn't spreading information any more than the blankets gave smallpox to the Indians. The people using the platform are the ones responsible for its spreading of misinformation. As long as idiots can't learn to think for themselves and do an occasional reality check, lies will win out every time. Facebook just allows it to happen more frequently, with a broader appeal, and a sheen of believability (is that a word?), since it comes "from" people you know. (even though in reality it comes from Palmer Lucky, who coincidentally was made a near billionaire with Facebook's money)
It is painfully apparent that these Republicans were self oriented. But I saw some people orientations from Kasich. I was thinking "Corporations are People too" is what got us to this place. But why don't the multi billionaires just take their gains and go away? They've made it, good job. Why do they still interrupt us?
Human memory is notoriously unreliable, and that is without any bad faith efforts to distort. I keep expecting our fledgling total surveillance to correct this mental defect but so far no luck.
Man, you really need that seminar!
I viewed the video clip and Barak Obama never said and never even suggested that illegals should vote.
Besides which, the whole idea is ridiculous. If you're not a citizen, you're not eligible to vote in federal elections. (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). You won't even appear on the voting roll unless somebody makes an administrative mistake. And that's quite uncommon, despite conspiracy theorist ramblings.
I might understand that you could have honestly missed that if you're not used to listening closely (unlike your average media person) and/or paying close attention to what is being said (unlike your average media person) or simply don't care much about getting your facts right (unlike your average media person). Or if you're too busy feeling indignant to pay attention but focus instead on getting a post out. But you're still wrong.
Your first amendment rights guarantee your right to spout nonsense (in good faith). Practicality virtually guarantees you won't be be prosecuted for slander. There are simply far too many people saying dumb things in good faith to be able to spot something who maliciously spreads disinformation.
However, this is the perfect illustration of what Obama means by Facebook posters muddying the waters. Except you're doing it on Slashdot instead of Facebook.
I challenge you to give the name of one prominent politician who's been in the public eye or news for at least 8 years with a shorter "lie list".
Table-ized A.I.
Although it's rarely about that when the Bible says God judged a nation. I've come to the conclusion that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is one of the most misunderstood scripture references. People get caught up in the fact that it was men the town wanted to have sex with, and somehow overlook the fact that they weren't willing to take no for an answer. It was less about them all being gay rather than the entire town wanting to gang rape a couple of strangers.
And then we have verses like this that suggest that the tea partying Christian Right would be more at fault than the entire gay community if God himself were to come down today and start smiting:
Ezekiel 16:49 English Standard Version (ESV)
49 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.
The second part of the question is simply a statement affirming the full context of the question, which as you point out very clearly defined non-citizens in the voting pool. As to whether these things are scripted, almost every single show is scripted even when it's not the POTUS. Believing he would get treated worse than Hillary is pretty damn foolish.
Your extrapolation of the question is wrong, especially considering the actress^W"reporter" emphasized illegal immigrants in her question. Nobody in their right mind would believe that any other entry in the list would question voting rights.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
All sex outside of marriage is 'immoral' according to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
Speaking of history...
“I've now been in 57 states, I think, one left to go.”
“My father served in World War II, and when he came home, he got the services that he needed.” (At the end of WWII, Obama’s father was 10 years old.)
"If I talked to Iran, I'm going to tell them, 'You should develop a nuclear weapon...'"
"It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian..." (There is no Austrian language).
"The Qaddafi regime is over. Gbagbo, Ben Ali, Mubarak are no longer in power. Osama bin Laden is gone, and the idea that change could only come through violence has been buried with him."
"A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
And instead you choose to believe that the only possible explanation for this fragment of a sentence is that Obama is instructing Illegals to vote. Okay dude, believe what you want. Even if he was doing that they are still unable to vote because they can't get on the voter roles.
Slashdot doesn't edit posts, or at least very rarely edits posts, that's why it's not for the faint of heart, if some butt-wipe butchers the spelling, grammar and context of a post, that's what you get. Not everybody here is native English speakers either, but when you come across one, you can usually tell by the lack of spelling, grammar and logic mistakes.
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in the "cloud of nonsense"! How dare Obama disparage my network suite!
I'm absolutely positive this was a normal, everyday earthquake at Somom; add in the massive oil deposits everywhere and the reasonable explanation is earthquake + natural asphalt deposit = hellish explosion and destruction. No need for any angry supernatural entity.
So wait... You're surprised that someone running for office was immoral enough to smear their opponent one time, then later praise them when it suits their purpose? Good lord, have you NOT watched any of these people recently? They'd sell their soul for a donut.
Obama misunderstood the question because of the host's incorrect use of the word "citizen". If you listen to what he says it's clear. "When you vote - you are a citizen yourself - and there is not a situation where the voting roles are transferred over [to immigration or anyone else]." He's answering the question (which is not quite what she asked) "If I vote will immigration come for my undocumented family members", and the answer is no. "Part of what is important for Latino Citizens, is to make your voice heard because you are voting for yourself, you are voting friends, family, etc, who may not have a voice, who can't legally vote." He's very clearly saying that Citizens can and should vote in a way that supports their families and friends. He never says that Illegals can or should vote. And they can't. Only Citizens can vote, you have to be a Citizen to get on the voter roles in the first place and they always check the voter roles.
You are quite the psychic in claiming that Obama misunderstood the question. The reporter asked him whether a hypothetical illegal (not she herself, unless she really happens to have illegal immigrants as relatives) would provoke an ICE raid if she voted.
She clearly said 'I call them citizens because they contribute to this country'. You claim that Obama overlooked that definition of 'citizen' on her part. That's pure speculation on your part, and would require psychic capabilities to confirm. Also, the family/friends that are referred to here are 'undocumented', which is a euphemism for 'illegal'. Legal immigrants are not supposed to vote. Illegal immigrants are not even supposed to be here.
But what's that to the president, who for the last 8 years, consciously chose not to enforce immigration laws!
"the whole thing" Which version? The original Hebrew? Latin? Aramaic? Greek? Which books? Is the Gospel of Thomas, Mary, Judas, etc included? Don't forget the original cantillation verse set too.
No, but Crooked Hillary is a title that she has earned and is in popular use. I chose to use it. You seem to be squirming a little too much to avoid the real topic here.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
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The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
Lots of politicians "misunderstand", then they turn around and ask you to believe they're razor sharp intellects.
They don't misunderstand, they're intentionally obscure so they can deny saying what they said. Or they're morons. I tend to believe the former.
Oh my god this.
I've got friends on the left, and friends on the right. I personally lean right.
I like the exchange of ideas. Sometimes I learn something new. occasionally, I'll change my opinion.
When I mention this to my leftist friends, invariably the response is "Great! We've got a lot you can learn." The assumption being they're the bastions of true knowledge.
You have evidence that only President Obama gets unscripted questions? Nope, you don't. You believe that voter roles are clean and that you need more than just a name and address to vote? That is untrue too. In States that refuse to adopt or enforce ID for voters, it's actually as easy to cheat as it is to remember a name, street number, and address. Hard for an illegal that just got here and does not speak English? Not really. There is a small percentage of States that enforce ID to vote, but the overwhelming majority do not.
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."
Franklin D. Roosevelt
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
The biggest lie of all was Obama's 2008 campaign. He ran as the most liberal candidate since Johnson, all the while planning on having the 8th and 9th terms of the Reagan Administration. So bringing this out:
Is kind of weak sauce next to promising to renegotiate NAFTA in public, while promising in private that it was mere campaign posturing. Or insisting that "any bill I sign must contain a public option" - months after he had already killed it for the hospital lobby. Molehill, meet mountain.
And those are the actual lies - some of things you rattled off happen to be 100% true.
Yes, when Republicans say "small business", what they really mean is a business with a small number of owners. Making even Koch Industries a "small business", despite being one of the worlds wealthiest private corporations.
Yes, crystal clear - Obama said you must be a citizen to vote, and in no way no how said undocumented immigrants could vote. That was your point, right? Right?
The situation he is describing, which he states explicitly more than once, is a Citizen voting with non-citizen / illegal immigrant family / friends. That is the inescapable conclusion if you are honestly trying to listen to what he says as a whole instead of latching on to part of a sentence fragment in an answer to a confused question.
Also Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than any other president in history. If you have to cherry-pick facts to support your narrative, you're probably wrong. Immigration is a complex issue and Obama's response to it is not a simple "sure come in and vote!!!!".
If they don't edit, they shouldn't be called editors. To not edit a front page story is about as far from professional as you can get.
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That's not an unfair assessment, predominately they elevate stories to the front page, but a lot of that is assisted or done automatically by the Firehose now and deal with the more obnoxious trolls.
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Social media spreads free opinion;
Traditional media generates opinion;
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Then they're moderators, not editors. Mistakes like that smack of rank amateurism. They should be ashamed of themselves for doing such a terrible job.
And when will we be able to paste a paragraph from a newspaper without the text being mangled? This isn't the slashdot I used to know.
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