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Nearly 40% of Americans Would Give Up Sex For Better Online Security, Survey Finds (huffingtonpost.com)

A recent survey of over 2,000 adults conducted by Harris Poll on behalf of Dashlane, a "leader in online identity and password management," found that nearly 40 percent of Americans would give up sex for an entire year if it meant they'd never have to worry about being hacked. Huffington Post reports: 40 percent of people also said they'd give up their favorite food for one month in the name of peace of mind online. If all of this sounds drastic, the truth is that it probably is. The single biggest thing people can do to help keep their online identity safe is probably the easiest -- a solid password. 10 years ago, anti-virus was the primary method of online security. But since the Internet has left the desktop and is on laptops, tablets, and cell phones, and since so many people now use the cloud for backing up their sensitive data, following proper password protocol is critical. Of course, having a solid password doesn't do a lot of good if you're giving it out to people. And nearly 50% of people have shared a password to an e-mail account or to an account like Netflix with a friend or had a friend share theirs (which is a surprisingly high number when you consider that 4 out of 10 people said that sharing an online social media password was more intimate than sex). A look at the password habits of Americans showed that about 30% have used a pet's name, almost 25% have used a family member's name, 21% a birthday, and 10% each have used an anniversary, a sports team, an address, or a phone number. So if you just know a few basic, personal details about someone, you've got a decent chance at cracking their password. The study also revealed some interesting data in that younger Americans (those age 18 to 34) who grew up online are far more trusting with passwords than older generations, and married people are less likely to part with passwords than single people.

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  1. Good news everybody! by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 5, Funny

    All you have to do is :

    • Install Linux
    • Spread the word to all the people you want to have sex with

    ... and you can do both!

    1. Re:Good news everybody! by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      So in other words, 40% of people are willing to give up being screwed in exchange for not being screwed.

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    2. Re:Good news everybody! by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Doesn't explain my two children, and no we have no mailman here.

    3. Re:Good news everybody! by Isendur · · Score: 1

      Systemd, enough said.

    4. Re:Good news everybody! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Sorry but I fear there are no sex divers for Linux. That's why all linux users are virgins.

      No, they're virgins because they installed the Widcomm sex drivers.

    5. Re:Good news everybody! by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 2

      Here in the UK over 90% of the population has already given up sex (We call it marriage)

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    6. Re:Good news everybody! by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Well for one they are older than systemd so still no explanation, and systemd works just fine thank you.

    7. Re:Good news everybody! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A lot of them are virgins by choice. Unfortunately it is not likely their choice.

    8. Re:Good news everybody! by fisted · · Score: 1

      systemd works just fine thank you.

      In the same way that people will tell you Windows works just fine thank you.

      If you look closer, neither does.

    9. Re:Good news everybody! by fisted · · Score: 1

      Are you being MITMed at work?

    10. Re:Good news everybody! by F.Ultra · · Score: 2

      Windows I don't know, have not used that in over 17 years now. Systemd however works so much better than either sysvinit or upstart for all my home computers, all the workstations at work and on all the servers at work, so there I do not follow.

    11. Re: Good news everybody! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you have a corporate proxy and you don't assume that you are being MITMed, then the good news is you probably won't have to worry about it much longer.

    12. Re:Good news everybody! by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Either you can't take a joke or you seem to be on a legitimate frantic search for an explanation for the origin of these children. Keep looking man - I wish you the best!

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    13. Re:Good news everybody! by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Should surveys by a manufacturer of masturbation lotions be a valid source of information on sex?

    14. Re:Good news everybody! by antdude · · Score: 1

      I already did that, but still a virgin. :(

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    15. Re:Good news everybody! by unixisc · · Score: 1

      No, 40% are willing to give up screwing in exchange for not being screwed. Newton's law, or biblical verse, or something along those lines

    16. Re:Good news everybody! by fisted · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I recently observed how 'systemctl whatever disable' (or whatever the correct syntax is, I don't remember) would exit successfully, even if "whatever" is not even a valid service name. No warning either. In a script that would have shat itself, but oh well, scripts are evil, right? Too transparent and readily debugable.

      Now, go ahead and explain to me why exiting successfully when trying to disable a nonexistant services is A-OK because if the service does not exist, it is kinda-sorta disabled anyway and thus totally not a problem.

      To me it is the poor design shining through, and with this precedent how am I supposed to trust in that this was a coincidence and the rest of systemd does not have those basic glitches that can lead to extremely obscure errors down the line. Especially since I ran into this within the first 10 minutes of familiarizing myself with that shiny new blackbox. Fuck this crap. I went back to sysvinit on Debian, and I don't even like sysvinit, but systemd is orders of magnitude worse (at the same time also being orders of magnitude bigger. the amount of code that is PID1 alone is mind-boggling. If you don't believe it, Look at the goddamn source and, wait, no, don't just count the lines -- if you are marginally familiar with C, you will notice there is over a page worth of local includes. Are you marginally familiar with C and do you want to explain what this means wrt. to how much code is running as PID1?).

      That said, other fancy new-school linux toys have similar issues. Especially the 'ip' tool or iproute2. If you script it, it better "work fine, thank you", and if not you're SOL.

      Disclaimer: I'm currently being "forced" to run Linux at work, so I have to put up with this shit. I'll eventually be back on NetBSD and start enjoying watching the circus that is Linux again.

      PS: You running systemd on what I assume are production servers gives evidence of carelessness. No matter how good or crappy systemd is, it is not mature. You don't run immature stuff on production servers, whenever possible. sysadmin 101.
      Thus I'm going to assume 17 years means more like 5 years and you're a PFY. Thank god I don't have to work with you.

    17. Re:Good news everybody! by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

      Beat me to it, but here I'm full of ham, turkey, and string bean casserole. Hackers, hackers, hackers. Learn how the computer does its shit, and have sex! No need to fear "OMG hackers!". Defeat them, then plenty of sex awaits.

    18. Re:Good news everybody! by youngone · · Score: 2
      It sounds to me that 40% of Americans are prepared to tell pollsters any old crap.

      Pollsters are prepared to believe them.

    19. Re:Good news everybody! by aaronb1138 · · Score: 1

      Well, I would argue quite strongly that the research premise is flawed if they don't start by filtering responses by frequency and nature of sexual contact.

      Can't give up something you don't have. Or in the Captain Tightpants parlance, "Can't miss a place you never been."

    20. Re:Good news everybody! by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Your observation does not match mine:

      f.ultra@ubuntu:~$ sudo systemctl disable ff
      [sudo] password for f.ultra:
      Failed to execute operation: No such file or directory
      henrik@ubuntu:~$ echo $?
      1

      I take it that you do understand that a return code of 1 is a failure and not success even though you sound like a noob.

    21. Re:Good news everybody! by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Well there's a big WHOOSH coming, either for you or me. Only time will tell :)

    22. Re:Good news everybody! by fisted · · Score: 1

      I must have been ranted loud enough about it if it has been fixed since. You do realize that can happen, right?

      I take it that you do understand that a return code of 1 is a failure and not success

      Thanks for the insight, sherlock.

      you sound like a noob.

      I'm pretty sure I eat you for breakfast, but feel free to believe whatever you want to believe. And don't spend much time providing arguments on where that belief comes from -- there's probably some new shiny product^Wsoftware to discover and install on production. Don't lose time!

      That said, people who use the word 'noob' can't be all too...oh well, let's not go into this.

    23. Re:Good news everybody! by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Of course things can change, but you wrote "recently" and not "several years ago". And of course there will be something new and shiny to put into production, when customers demand new functionality we do not have the luxury that you apparently have to tell them that they have to wait a decade or more for the new code to mature. If we did then we would not exist as a company any more since all would flee to the competition.

      Who will eat who for breakfast I have no idea and frankly no interest either, you where the one that started to sling the insults around (PFY [and it was over 30 years ago that I was a PFY so to be honest I don't know if I should be flattered instead ;)] 5 years experience and so forth) which is typical for the anti-systemd trolls on Slashdot. Why you cannot simply declare that you prefer something else without slinging insults around is a fascinating although disturbing thing.

    24. Re:Good news everybody! by fisted · · Score: 1

      Of course things can change, but you wrote "recently" and not "several years ago".

      According to my IRC logs I experienced this on Sep 5 2016. I might not have been using the latest systemd at the time, alas I don't recall the version number^W^Wmeaningless integer that is in the 300s now.

      something new and shiny to put into production,[blah blah] wait a decade or more for the new code to mature

      Look, If you had bothered to read carefully, I said "whenever possible". Please, do tell, why do your customers ask you to run systemd on your servers?

      I don't know if I should be flattered instead

      You probably shouldn't, since this isn't based on your appearance but on the content of your statements.

      Why you cannot simply declare that you prefer something else without slinging insults around is a fascinating although disturbing thing.

      Well I have very fond memories about Linux, given that it was my stepping stone into unix, and BSD in particular. Seeing it go down the shitter does make me mad, occasionally, even though I could technically ignore it.
      To put it in more accessible terms, think of having to watch your first own car getting crushed. Kind of that feeling.

    25. Re:Good news everybody! by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      According to my IRC logs I experienced this on Sep 5 2016. I might not have been using the latest systemd at the time, alas I don't recall the version number^W^Wmeaningless integer that is in the 300s now.

      Fair enough, however looking at the code history in github it appears that systemctl has returned a non-zero exit code since before v44 which was released in 2013, the test I did above was from v229 which was released in february (which is the current version in Ubuntu 16.04). Could be that there have been some buggy intermittent version released or course but I don't know if either of us is upset enough to compile each and every version by hand to find out which version it possibly happens in.

      Look, If you had bothered to read carefully, I said "whenever possible". Please, do tell, why do your customers ask you to run systemd on your servers?

      Nowhere did I write that they demanded systemd, that was a mere comment on your mature-software-only rant. Another question of course is how you can consider systemd to be new and shiny, the first stable release was 6 years ago.

      You probably shouldn't, since this isn't based on your appearance but on the content of your statements.

      So you cannot even take a simply yoke without degenerating to insults again, it's so nice to talk with you anti-systemd people really!

      Well I have very fond memories about Linux, given that it was my stepping stone into unix, and BSD in particular. Seeing it go down the shitter does make me mad, occasionally, even though I could technically ignore it. To put it in more accessible terms, think of having to watch your first own car getting crushed. Kind of that feeling.

      For me it's the complete opposite, with systemd I feel that Linux finally have something great in terms of deamon/service management out of the box instead of having to build a house of cards using slippery scripts that can break at random (just look at the mess that is mysqld_safe that where created in order to provide some of the things that systemd provides but with sysvinit and how it can break completely due to it being a script [and thus having to rely on pids and pidfiles). Put simply it's the best thing that I have seen happening to Linux since I started to use it back in 1997.

      You obviously feel complete different about it and that is all fine and dandy, I have no mission to "convert your" or force you to like something that you don't and not every one can like or dislike the same things (what a bland world we would live in otherwise), I would just hope that some day people like me can make non-negative comments about things like systemd without being personally attacked with name calling, mud slinging and so on (note that this is not 100% directed at you, every time that I make a comment about systemd on Slashdot and where I'm not conveying something negative I get a complete shit storm of insults from random users).

  2. Security? by The+Rizz · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, 40% of Americans have bad sex lives.

    1. Re:Security? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      In other news, 40% of Americans have bad sex lives.

      My first thought was . . . "Nonsense! 40% of Americans aren't Slashdot readers!"

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    2. Re: Security? by Imrik · · Score: 1

      Two other statistics of interest would be the percent of people that aren't employed, as opposed to the percent that have filed for unemployment, and the percent working part time, which skyrocketed due to Obamacare.

    3. Re:Security? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Given 20% of Americans are aged 14 or younger and another 20% are aged over 60, 40% feels surprisingly lower.

      I know I'd sign up my 8 year old for a year of celibacy if it guaranteed a hackproof life for her.

    4. Re: Security? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Two other statistics of interest would be the percent of people that aren't employed,

      You get that from the inverse of the labor participation rate.

      and the percent working part time, which skyrocketed due to Obamacare.

      The percentage working part time is interesting, but it's the percentage seeking employment that are relevant since what we want to know is how many people working part-time actually need to be working full-time. Some people with part-time jobs are meeting their needs, and we wouldn't want to count them unfairly. Unlike the executive branch, what I am interested in here is facts, because they are the basis of intelligent decisions.

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    5. Re: Security? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      no matter how much you may wish it, you cannot compare two different metrics, apples vs oranges, and then say they are both apples.
      you're full of crap.

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  3. Numbers don't lie by TimothyHollins · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm guessing the female participation in this study was also at 40%.

    1. Re:Numbers don't lie by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      I'm guessing the female participation in this study was also at 40%.

      Are you living in some alternate reality where women don't have a sex drive? By the way, that reality sounds like it sucks, which is ironic because I don't imagine much of that going on.

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    2. Re:Numbers don't lie by donaldm · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing the female participation in this study was also at 40%.

      According to the article, the total number of adults surveyed was 2000 out of a total population of 320 million of which about 76% are adults. I am not a mathematician although I have done and passed University level statistics but isn't that number a little on the small size to get a reasonable statistical result? I wonder what the surveys demographics and uncertainties were?

      Sounds like clickbait to me.

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    3. Re:Numbers don't lie by Evtim · · Score: 1

      How was that movie by Woody Allen that got some Oscars?

      Q [physiatrist]: How often you make love?
      A: [the man]: almost never - 3 times a week!
      A:[the woman]: all the time - 3 times a week!

      It's not that women have no drive but it is quite a bit weaker than men's. Also, since the women control the sex, every woman gets 100% satisfied sexually [and every male is frustrated] since there is always much more demand than supply. That is if things are one to one [one man with one woman].

      The "fact" that women have as strong drive as men is simply political correctness...sadly it has penetrated even biology text books. The refusal to recognize that 9 out of 10 men are sexually frustrated [if monogamy is obeyed] is at the core of enormous amount of social trouble....

    4. Re:Numbers don't lie by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not that women have no drive but it is quite a bit weaker than men's.

      Nah that's just a rather recent social idea. Go back a while and you find that people considered the opposite to be true.

      Also, since the women control the sex,

      No they don't, that's an incredibly stupid thing to think.

      every woman gets 100% satisfied sexually

      Fucking moron. I mean really. You actually believe that? Have you, like, ever actually talked to a woman ever? I was going to try to come up with a "logical" argument, but how can you argue with someone who just invents facts to support their world view. On an entirely unrelated note, did you vote Trump?

      and every male is frustrated

      I ain't.

      since there is always much more demand than supply

      Haaa hahahaha.

      There might be a shortage of women who you think are hot enough that you want to bonk. However saying "there's a shortage of women" is somewhat different from, for example, "there's a shortage of supermodels who want to bonk me".

      The "fact" that women have as strong drive as men is simply political correctness...sadly it has penetrated even biology text books.

      At times past other cultures have considered the opposite to be the case.

      The refusal to recognize that 9 out of 10 men are sexually frustrated [if monogamy is obeyed] is at the core of enormous amount of social trouble....

      How do you know the women aren't sexually frustrated too? Oh right you don't. You just invented a fantasy where they aren't. Try actually speaking to women, or failing that, visit some internet forums where people are more likely to talk about their personal lives, such as the comments section of agony columns.

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    5. Re:Numbers don't lie by hipp5 · · Score: 1

      I'm living in the reality where women claim to like sex but don't you dare ask them out.

      No, you're living in a world where you don't understand social cues and can't tell the difference between when it's appropriate to ask a woman out, when you need to lay more groundwork before asking a woman out, and when you just need to back the f**k off.

    6. Re:Numbers don't lie by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      Nope, 2000 is plenty if you ensure they are a representative sample.

      For comparison, if you flipped a coin 2000 times, you would expect the percentage of heads to be very close to 50%.

    7. Re:Numbers don't lie by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "It's not that women have no drive but it is quite a bit weaker than men's. "

      People who say that are doing it wrong.

    8. Re:Numbers don't lie by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      It's not that women have no drive but it is quite a bit weaker than men's.

      what?

      (sources abound)

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    9. Re:Numbers don't lie by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      sources abound

      Won't matter. Attitudes like that often come from "women won't have sex with me therefore the fault must lie with women". To further add to the absolution of personal responsibility and fatalism add that "it's a biological fact, so it can't possible be any fault of mine".

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    10. Re:Numbers don't lie by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Won't matter.

      Yes, that's why I kept it short and sweet. No sense in spending a lot of time, effort, or energy there.

      To be fair, some women have little libido, and I know what that's like. But I've definitely been the one trying and failing to keep up, in other cases.

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    11. Re:Numbers don't lie by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      No, you're living in a world where you don't understand social cues and can't tell the difference between when it's appropriate to ask a woman out,

      And then, actually asking them out rather than endlessly mooning over them while pretending to be their friend while whining about being in "the friend zone".

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    12. Re:Numbers don't lie by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      To be fair, some women have little libido

      Oh yes. I won't try to deny it, there's a lot of variation (for men too).

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    13. Re:Numbers don't lie by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Won't matter.

      Yes, that's why I kept it short and sweet. No sense in spending a lot of time, effort, or energy there.

      To be fair, some women have little libido, and I know what that's like. But I've definitely been the one trying and failing to keep up, in other cases.

      I wonder though, does the study take into account the non-trivial number of people who simply don't have a sex life? It is pretty easy to give up something you aren't getting anyhow.

      I'm assuming that they didn't count masturbation as sex either. What got me wondering was that the survey also included questions about giving up a favorite food. People were apparently willing to give up on that for only a month. That is showing some priorities perhaps? To give up only a favorite food - not going without.

      To the present bitchfest about female sex drive and a little more info than the Huffington post article gave us https://blog.dashlane.com/stud... :

      "Women are more likely than men to sacrifice a year of sex in exchange for online peace of mind (44% vs. 34% of men).

      Two in five millennials (43%) say they’d also give up sex for online security.

      That last number was what got me to thinking about likely flaws in the study. We have heard much on now many millennial males have simply given up on women. Perhaps this is just being willing to give up on something you don't have in the first place.

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    14. Re:Numbers don't lie by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      every woman gets 100% satisfied sexually

      What color is the sky on your planet?

      Seriously, your statement is the kind of thing that's said by someone who's never actually had sex, but who watches a lot of porn.

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    15. Re:Numbers don't lie by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      He's in the reality where women refuse to have sex with him.

    16. Re:Numbers don't lie by donaldm · · Score: 1

      Nope, 2000 is plenty if you ensure they are a representative sample.

      For comparison, if you flipped a coin 2000 times, you would expect the percentage of heads to be very close to 50%.

      For a coin which can either heads or tails and on extremely rare occasions "edge" I would agree.

      For the survey we really need to know the demographic such as age, education, sex (well male or female), social status , economic status and if they are or aren't in a partnership. In addition, we also need to know what were the survey question(s) asked although we could assume that the question could have been, "Would you give up sex for an entire year if you never have to worry about being hacked?". The survey would have got a better result if they asked. "Did you ever stop beating your spouse?"

      To even answer "yes" to a stupid question like that is kind of worrying since it implies that those people are really stupid, poorly educated or paranoid.

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    17. Re:Numbers don't lie by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing the female participation in this study was also at 40%.

      Nah, that 40% doesn't have sex anyway so they're not giving up anything. Profit!

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    18. Re:Numbers don't lie by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I dont know if I believe this "source", it seems to be anecdotal at best.

      It's true. Women just plain don't want to have sex with you. Perhaps they can smell your cowardice.

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    19. Re:Numbers don't lie by GinaDEEE · · Score: 1

      I am laughing so hard at this comment that I can barely type

    20. Re:Numbers don't lie by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Are you living in some alternate reality where women don't have a sex drive? By the way, that reality sounds like it sucks, which is ironic because I don't imagine much of that going on.

      I guess you've never been married. Women have a sex drive alright, until they get married. Then for every year they're married, their drive is cut in half. I'm in the 3rd decade set of years, so my wife has close to NO FUCKING SEX DRIVE, MAN! We both might as well wear iron underwear and check the keys in with my Daughter.

      I'd gladly give up sex for a year to get her to have the drive she had when she was 16 for the rest of her life. Even if I am set to expire in 1 year and 1 day. It would be worth it, believe me. I bet you'd be able to hear me from where you are. I'd die a very happy man.

  4. for only a year? by nightcats · · Score: 1

    Really? That's it? Well, nothing to see here, everyone just move along...

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  5. Easy by darkain · · Score: 1

    "The single biggest thing people can do to help keep their online identity safe is probably the easiest -- a solid password."

    Fucking cannot be absolutely more wrong on this one. Firstly, you "shouldn't" re-use passwords. So it isn't a "solid password", but instead a "solid password per web site". But what *IS* a solid password? That's right. Complex as fuck shit to remember. Upper, lower, number, specials, with a minimum and maximum that isn't even remotely consistent from web site to web site.

    The correct answer for the "probably easiest" way to protect online identity? Enable two-factor authentication on any site that supports it. Even just this alone is a HUGE improvement. Plus, sites like Facebook have login attempt notifications. So if someone even attempts to access your account, you are instantly notified on ALL devices at once of when/where the login attempt occurred and actively deny them your credentials.

    1. Re:Easy by TimothyHollins · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The single biggest thing people can do to help keep their online identity safe is probably the easiest -- a solid password."

      Fucking cannot be absolutely more wrong on this one. Firstly, you "shouldn't" re-use passwords. So it isn't a "solid password", but instead a "solid password per web site". But what *IS* a solid password? That's right. Complex as fuck shit to remember. Upper, lower, number, specials, with a minimum and maximum that isn't even remotely consistent from web site to web site.

      You aren't thinking about the real world here, you're thinking like a programmer.

      Yes, a long and complex password is better from a cryptographic view, but noone will ever remember 200+ characters.
      If you want to be safe, then you need a simple, reusable password for low-risk sites (forum accounts like /.), a secure and long password for critical sites that you access through special services (like your email account), and possibly a third medium security password for sensitive sites (like online gaming where your credit card is involved). This allows you to remember the passwords, and if a low/medium-risk password should be compromised, it doesn't matter so much. Better yet, since you only have three passwords to keep track of, you can make them a bit tougher.

      This stuff is actually something everyday people can use in the real world.

    2. Re:Easy by MancunianMaskMan · · Score: 2

      And I thought we should all use "correct horse battery staple" for everything and that would be secure!

    3. Re:Easy by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The solid password that you can remember is the one that you use to protect your password manager. All of the others are randomly generated.

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    4. Re:Easy by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      And I thought we should all use "correct horse battery staple" for everything and that would be secure!

      If we were allowed to compose passwords this way, we would indeed be secure. It's when there are silly rules that require us to remember the equivalent of c0rrectHorseB4tterystaple&* that the idea breaks down.

    5. Re:Easy by arth1 · · Score: 2

      A password manager is also a potential vector for attacks. Can you guarantee that the password manager and the OS it runs on are both secure? Otherwise, it's putting all your eggs in one basket.

      Never mind the (not completely uncommon) problem of losing access to your password manager. Then you're faced with having lost all your passwords.

      tl;dr: I'd rather lose a credit card than the whole wallet.

    6. Re:Easy by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you want to be safe, then you need a simple, reusable password for low-risk sites (forum accounts like /.), a secure and long password for critical sites that you access through special services (like your email account), and possibly a third medium security password for sensitive sites (like online gaming where your credit card is involved).

      No. You're kind of sort of close but not really. Every critical resource, like a bank or credit card, must have its own password. You cannot trust that your password is being properly protected or that you will be notified of a breach in a timely fashion.

      You should probably also have a unique password for every site where someone can spend your money, but hey, it's your money. You can decide on that one. I guess that's true only if you care about whether other people can spend your money. I don't have an unlimited amount of that, so I consider it relevant.

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    7. Re: Easy by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      Team Password Manager (http://teampasswordmanager.com/)is self hosted and has a Chrome extension, and free for two users.
      Not affiliated, just a happy user.

    8. Re: Easy by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Team Password Manager (http://teampasswordmanager.com/)is self hosted and has a Chrome extension, and free for two users.

      So you have to trust a closed source program, and run it on a server with PHP, IconCube, MySQL (with ALL privileges, no separation between user and admin rights) and Apache, and poke a hole in your firewall to reach its web server? That's increasing security?

      Never mind the mind boggling idea of using a browser extension to give your browser a backdoor into it to increase convenience.

    9. Re:Easy by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      And I thought we should all use "correct horse battery staple" for everything and that would be secure!

      Don't forget to put your year of birth on the end to make it unique to you...

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    10. Re:Easy by swillden · · Score: 1

      If you want to be safe, then you need a simple, reusable password for low-risk sites (forum accounts like /.)

      Fine, and exactly what I do.

      a secure and long password for critical sites that you access through special services (like your email account)

      No, you need a unique secure and long password for each critical site. Otherwise if any one of those sites gets compromised, they all are.

      Your email account, the one that is the password-reset confirmation method for all of your other sites, is the crown jewel, the master key to all of your online accounts needs even better security. You need a secure password and a second authentication factor. If your email service doesn't support 2FA, get a better one that does and change the reset email address on all of your other accounts. For extra paranoia, get multiple such accounts, each with its own strong password and 2FA method, and use different ones for the contact email for different critical online sites. Not necessarily one to one, but spread the risk. I don't bother with that, myself.

      and possibly a third medium security password for sensitive sites (like online gaming where your credit card is involved)

      Fine, and exactly what I do. The legal protections on abuse of your credit card are such that you really don't need to worry tremendously about it. A compromised credit card is an inconvenience, not a serious problem.

      Better yet, since you only have three passwords to keep track of, you can make them a bit tougher.

      No, you still need a lot more than three passwords. Which basically means that you cannot rely on your memory. You need some sort of password storage system, whether it's a piece of paper in your wallet (if you do that, keep a backup somewhere safe and ideally try not to identify which site each password corresponds to in any obvious way), or a password wallet in your phone (encrypted under a single password and backed up somewhere), or the password storage in your web browser... as long as your browser encrypts the passwords.

      Personally I rely mostly on Chrome as my password store. I have a very strong "sync" password set, which is used to encrypt all of the others, and this allows the password database to be backed up in Google's cloud (securely, since it's encrypted) and also seamlessly replicated to Chrome on all of my other devices with browsers. From a security perspective there are some weaknesses to this approach, but since I have aggressive lock screens and good passwords on all my devices, it's not too bad. I also have a paper backup stored in my gun safe (fire resistant) in my home. That's mostly in case I die, though, so my wife will be able to get into everything.

      Note that however you store your passwords, good security also requires that all of the devices that store your passwords, or that you type your passwords into, be secure. That's another challenge.

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    11. Re:Easy by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

      Can you guarantee that the password manager and the OS it runs on are both secure? Otherwise, it's putting all your eggs in one basket.

      Moot point. If you can't be at the very least reasonably certain that the OS is secure it doesn't matter how the password is input. You could have a keylogger running in the insecure OS that not only grabs usernames and passwords, but may even be able to correlate them to specific sites... E.G. foo and bar were typed immediately after typing mybank.com.

      Never mind the (not completely uncommon) problem of losing access to your password manager. Then you're faced with having lost all your passwords.

      This is actually a good point. But that is exactly why passwords can be reset if you forget them. It may be a pain in the ass to reset all of your passwords to various accounts, but you won't suddenly just lose the accounts if your password manager suddenly dies. Well, unless you signed up with a throwaway temp address, but then the account couldn't have been worth too much anyway.

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    12. Re:Easy by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Moot point. If you can't be at the very least reasonably certain that the OS is secure it doesn't matter how the password is input. You could have a keylogger running in the insecure OS

      The difference is that a keylogger will only capture the password(s) you type in while the keylogger is active, and not all your passwords in one fell swoop.
      If I were a blackhat able to breech your OS, I would much prefer it if you ran a password manager.

    13. Re:Easy by agm · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I think rules like "must include 2 numbers and 2 special characters" should only apply for passwords shorter than 10 characters. My passwords are easy to remember, unique per site and > 22 characters long. I'm happy that's it's secure.

    14. Re: Easy by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      Team Password Manager (http://teampasswordmanager.com/)is self hosted and has a Chrome extension, and free for two users.

      So you have to trust a closed source program, and run it on a server with PHP, IconCube, MySQL (with ALL privileges, no separation between user and admin rights) and Apache, and poke a hole in your firewall to reach its web server? That's increasing security?

      Never mind the mind boggling idea of using a browser extension to give your browser a backdoor into it to increase convenience.

      LastPass doesn't provide access to source code, either. However, if Open Source == Security, that can be arranged. I have no idea how LastPass isolates its database. Really, the question is who I'm trying to protect my passwords from. Hackers by way of a firewall? At a purely technical level, yeah, LastPass probably wins this one, though my Untangle firewall is pretty strict. From three-letter-agencies and mass data dumps? If nothing else, security-through-obscurity would land squarely in my favor.

      Regarding the Chrome extension, it works on Chromium, it's optional, and "Over a VPN" is a perfectly viable way to avoid poking a hole in my firewall.

  6. BS Slashvertisement for password manager by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After 20 years working in internet security, the headline struck me as bullshit. Just yesterday when I told a guy that making his DVR accessible via the internet would mean hackers would likely get into it, his response was "I don't care". That's about typical. So why would this survey come up with that result? The bottom section of the article begins with:
    __
    Dashlane makes identity and checkouts simple with its password manager and secure digital wallet app. Dashlane allows its users to securely manage passwords
    __

    And according to a survey conducted by McDonald's, their burgers are wonderful.

    1. Re:BS Slashvertisement for password manager by phayes · · Score: 1

      I've been working in computer security from way back when Checkpoint was a startup.

      Use of a password manager does not solve ALL computer security problems, but it does help to solve two major problems we have today:
      Poor passwords
      Password reuse

      Coming up with different secure passwords for every site & then remembering them all and which goes where is beyond the reach of everyone without eidetic memory, thus the Dashlane advertisement is indeed useful. If Dashlane advertising their own manager irritates you, just go with another password manager.

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    2. Re:BS Slashvertisement for password manager by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I'm trying to think why I give a shit if someone hacks my DVR. Seriously. I have nothing sensitive at all on any always connected devices. I have a netbook with Peppermint Linux OS on it that I only use to do banking and ordering online crap. I connect, do business and log off. I use a simple password for the always connected devices just so they're not completely open but I'm not going to worry if someone knows I'm recording the Waltons on DirecTV.

    3. Re:BS Slashvertisement for password manager by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I've got a black book (literally) that I keep login/passwords in. If someone breaks in my house and steals that book I'm fucked but otherwise it's pretty secure.

    4. Re:BS Slashvertisement for password manager by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Coming up with different secure passwords for every site & then remembering them all and which goes where is beyond the reach of everyone without eidetic memory, thus the Dashlane advertisement is indeed useful.

      No it isn't. I have two password for everything. One for regular stuff, one for important stuff. Regular people don't need a password manager, it's just adds another layer for compromise (A password in my head is more secure than one written into a closed source app that may or may not be sharing that info around intentionally or unintentionally). Password managers are useful for IT depts when sharing many privileged passwords with different users and groups, but these people already know what a password manager is, so don't need advertising disguised as news to work it out.

  7. After all that angst over #fakenews ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And what is this supposed to actually mean? It's just a clickbait study that doesn't really tell us a damned thing that's actually useful.

    I bet 40% of the people who read this would be willing to punch the author of the study in the face for a chocolate bar, too.

  8. Those who would trade sex for security... by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 5, Funny

    Deserve neither.

    1. Re:Those who would trade sex for security... by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      What about secure sex?

    2. Re:Those who would trade sex for security... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      What about secure sex?

      Browsing your pr0n on tor doesn't help.

    3. Re:Those who would trade sex for security... by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Depends on if you succumb to premature ejaculation, the latency of tor would kill the mood right there.

    4. Re:Those who would trade sex for security... by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Heh... here, just to make sure put on this iron underwear.... a year later - Yea, about that:
      1) We've lost the keys
      2) The promised security for life was just a Microsoft Promo, not an actual product. That whole program ended a month ago.
      3) The waiver you signed at the beginning of this promotion holds us harmless.

  9. Survey finds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Survey finds that 60% of people will say anything when answering a survey. Oh and Hillary Clinton will win. By a landslide.

  10. Terrible Sample by DatbeDank · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This study means absolutely nothing other than showing us that the people who visit Dashlane's site and use their products most likely either don't care or get any sex and have no problem giving it up for better online security. That's like polling Slashdot about which Mp3 player is better (Zune or iPod).

    I bet if they sampled 2000 people who read the Huffpost or some other more mixed MSM site will get a vastly different answer than what this bunk poll found.

  11. Meaningless data by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the point in polling a population who believe in angels, has but the slightest knowledge of history and geography and is almost illiterate in science?

    40% of Americans probably couldn't understand what "nearly 40% of Americans" even means.

    We could as well discuss the percentage of toddlers who think their mum should be Queen of America.

    1. Re:Meaningless data by agm · · Score: 1

      Pointing out that a large percentage of Americans believe in imaginary sky people isn't condescending. It astounds me how the ridiculous meme of religion has pervaded a supposedly first world country. It's time for such superstitious nonsense to be replaced with reason.

    2. Re:Meaningless data by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      And your answer is fallacious. How I sound has no bearing on the argument.

      I could also say that you sound like a simpleton who equates brains with arrogance because you would like everyone else to go down to your level, where you might have a chance to defend yourself even with your stunted wits.

    3. Re:Meaningless data by dywolf · · Score: 1

      my thinking was more along the lines of:
      -40% of americans are stupid
      -but then the election of Trump already told us that

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  12. doesn't matter by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    doesn't matter how solid your password it is if it can be reset through some mechanism you don't know about - like customer service.

    or if the attacker gets a copy of your browser cache(and cookies) and gets in through that, to reset said password.

    two factor yes, but the PASSWORD IS THE FUCKING EASIEST THING and well, as long as it is a password that can't be guessed in 10 tries, it doesn't really help at all.

    however, since such articles would be "too hard" to understand if they talked about the actual risks, like just having windows 10 on defaults, people wouldn't be reading them.

    that's why people would give up sex for a year to not have to worry about the stuff because big companies, like microsoft, apple and google are doing such a piss shit poor job on protecting their users that it's impossible to know if an android phone is hacked for example just from looking at all the traffic that's going in and out BECAUSE the providers of the operating systems don't want it to be easy to firewall and curate your traffic! MS DOESN'T WANT IT! APPLE DOESN'T WANT IT AND GOOGLE doesn't want it.

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  13. Re:Not the same by amalcolm · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Kissing is more intimate than sex" - You are doing it wrong

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  14. And it came out that... by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...all of them were ex-subscribers of Ashley Madison dating service, who got neither sex nor privacy!

  15. marriage by smallmj · · Score: 1

    That's because they've been married for a while, and feel like they've given up on sex already.

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  16. Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just installed APKs HOSTS file generator. Now I can shag all I want and be secure!

  17. Carefull... by XB-70 · · Score: 1
    Many of today's internet innovations are as a result of porn which has led development of online transactions and streaming (for example). Be careful what you wish for!

    On the flip side, if Americans had better sex, they wouldn't be on the internet watching porn. Catch-22!

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  18. Give it up by Wowsers · · Score: 1

    Give up sex for better online security... so people will stop visiting porn websites?

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  19. Double result by aglider · · Score: 1

    40% of Americans are morons!

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  20. Creationism by Maritz · · Score: 1

    I believe even more believe in creationism. Therefore not a surprise, christians don't fuck.

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    1. Re:Creationism by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      I believe even more believe in creationism. Therefore not a surprise, christians don't fuck.

      First of all, if christians don't fuck, then where do new christians come from? Abstinence didn't work out for the Shakers.

      And second, Creationism is by no means a majority position of mainstream christian denominations. Most (along with denominations of other world faiths) accept evolution and cosmology as the correct explanations for our origins.

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  21. Really? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    I guess it's those people, where Christmas happens more often than sex.

    I for one, would give up the internet for more sex.

    1. Re:Really? by PPH · · Score: 1

      I for one, would give up the internet for more sex.

      I thought they were the same thing.

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  22. Re:Not the same by CODiNE · · Score: 1

    If you've seen "Pretty Woman" this actually makes sense!

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  23. Calibration point by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    But did the survey ask what proportion of the population would give up sex to stop being bothered by pollsters?

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  24. I thought it would end with 'porn' by ET3D · · Score: 1

    My feed showed 'Nearly 40% of Americans Would Give Up Sex For Better Online ...'.

  25. Because the polls ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... are so accurate and stuff.

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  26. (Not)Fucking Americans by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    I guess I need to come up with a new sighful response to silly articles as "Fucking Americans" no longer seems to fit.

  27. You own me by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Let's see. In the 12 years I've been married, I could have provided better online security to ..... well. An entire village.

    You fjnorkers owe me. Big time.

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  28. Poor Richard by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Ben Franklin said it best,

    "Those who would give up that essential Sweet Sweet Poontang, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Poontang nor Safety."

    And let me tell you, Franklin was a man who knew good poontang.

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  29. Give up noney for security by strstr · · Score: 1

    If you give up money- by taxing the rich and creating socialism you might get security. Here is why: you have to take out the profit motive from hacking by giving people good lives for free even if they are broke and disadvantaged. This then will reduce the amount of scams, hacking, spam and other bullshit. Currently ti get by in life many are forced to steal, become drug dealers, prostitutes, sex workers, spammers, hackers, etc.

    I would wager the only reason the spam box exists is poverty and need to profit off the internet and capitalism anyway you can.

    I would say the only reason you have hackers taking over machines and demanding randsom is because money is otherwise hard to come by.

    People are food insecure, housing insecure, education depleted, etc.

    But trust me there's plenty of money to pay for it all you just have to tax the 1% of the world by like 90% and suddenly a free society for all can be built that everyone can rely on by default with free housing, basic income, workers rights and vebefits, children/animal and human rights, etc.

    The more you kill the profit motive the more secure and healthy society becomes as you will have less reliance of fraud, abuse and exploitation to survive. Its pretty much a rule.

    https://www.obamasweapon.com/

    1. Re:Give up noney for security by strstr · · Score: 1

      Furthermore the only way or goal to obtain free stuff:

      Put it in the constitution. Solidify it. And put the tax rate on the rich in there too.

      The rich will still be wealthy even with the high tax rate.

      The idea is if society is free- from riding the metro bus and rail around, to getting the highest end education, to living in an upscale house, to having a nice car, to flying on a plane for free, and all that then people will be secure in their persons and effects and not hack, scam, and exploit or abuse as much.

      It has to be a worldwide resolution as well. All countries and land must be forced into the system. Otherwise while countries built on fraud, abuse, and exploitation will continue to bully, enslave and impact everyone else.

      If there isn't profit motive so extreme to doing something people simply don't do it.

      You also do need strict laws against such abuses as well. Currently the laws are not enforced or don't exist to tackle the modern issues.

      I do know our government's aren't for peace and that's why none of this has been done yet.

      People will continue to work, create, and serve in society even without great profit motive. Look at open source software, the internet, and all the free work that gets done from creating whole communities, to making various companies products what they are like facebook and Twitter who make billions off us without reimbursement, to making art, to educating ad teaching for free, to coding and tech support that people do for free.

      https://www.obamasweapon.com/

  30. So presumably... by Elegor · · Score: 2

    The other 60% would give up online security for better sex.

  31. Re:You can't be hurt by what you can't touch by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

    Now there's someone who's never been laid!

  32. Length is most important, and sites can be related by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > Enable two-factor authentication on any site that supports it. Even just this alone is a HUGE improvement. Plus, sites like Facebook have login attempt notifications.

    Those are good things. 2FA is a bit of a hassle, so not worth it to log in to Slashdot, but certainly makes sense for a bank.

    > Complex as fuck shit to remember. Upper, lower, number, specials

    For 15 years, I developed password-based security full time. I had an alias or two on the cracker boards. I analyzed thousands and thousands of attacks. The "complexity" you want isn't the type of complexity that makes things hard to remember. For example, this:
    jJg6%#5@fB

    Is weaker than this:
    I can readily remember this simple passphrase.

  33. Yeah, I'd take the deal by clovis · · Score: 1

    I would do it if I were young.
    As written, it would mean that in exchange for a year of no sex, I would get decades of not having to worry about not only my own account, but also the integrity of all the places that I have accounts. I have several bank, credit union, and brokerage accounts, and they would all have to be made secure to protect my accounts. There is also the IRS, and the various hospitals who hold my medical records.

    "online security" has to include both endpoints to be safe. It's neither your MS windows nor your Linux boxes at home that You should to worry about.

  34. 60% pr0n addicts, 40% liars by Doub · · Score: 1

    The internet is for porn, don't ever forget that.

  35. Foothold in network, access to router admin, MITM by raymorris · · Score: 1

    To a bad guy, your DVR isn't a DVR, it's a presence in your private network. Your router typically blocks almost all traffic from the internet, but ALLOWS all traffic from within your network. Once they are are in any device on the internal network, they are allowed to reach any other device on your internal network. You may have noticed also that Windows default security settings are different for the local network vs the internet.

    Perhaps most importantly, from your DVR they can access 192.168.1.1, the admin interface of your router! From there they can grant themselves remote access to every other device, and even MITM *all* of your traffic. That's the big one.

    Also, you may have noticed several stories on Slashdot lately about large-scale attacks coming from compromised cameras, DVRs, etc. Your DVR will become part of the botnet attacking others, which may well result in your IP being blocked, so you can no longer access many sites on the internet.

  36. So says by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    So says the 40% that are not getting any as it is...

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  37. Re:Foothold in network, access to router admin, MI by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    I see your point. I will say that I don't allow remote admin connection to my router. The only way to log into the admin account there is via wired ethernet cable connection. I've got a decent password but really I've never worried about it because I don't store anything I'm worried about on a computer connected to a network. I never really worried about becoming a part of a botnet though I have always had the router sitting on my desk where I can watch network traffic indicators. Ages ago I did get backdoored while on IRC hanging out in #elitecafe on galaxynet. I had an Amiga 3000 then and noticed my US Robotics 54K modem lights going hard red and the led on my HD started flashing fast. I reached over and turned the modem off, back on and dialed back in. When I got back in the channel I asked who was screwing with my computer. I got a private message from a guy there, seems the IRC client I used had a backdoor. IRC was like the wild west back in those days. I learned quick not to count on total security from anything connected to a network.

  38. Right move then, still is now by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > The only way to log into the admin account there is via wired ethernet cable connection.

    Wireless can't reach the admin interface? Cool.

    > my US Robotics 54K modem lights going hard red and the led on my HD started flashing fast. I reached over and turned the modem off

    I wish more of my clients would disconnect the network when they notice a problem. That's exactly the right move. Shutting down destroys evidence, while rebooting can give give attacker a more covert channel.

  39. Here, abuse some more mod points by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I answer the question, I'm marked as a troll.

    Why do you love the status quo? The status quo is slavery. Why do you love slavery?

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  40. Re:I'd love to see comprehension vs politics by dywolf · · Score: 1

    -there are studies that link intelligence with ideology.

    -reading comprehension is simply another metric for intelligence, so....same answer.

    -speaking of reading comprehension and intelligence: who wouldn't want "FREE HEALTHCARE" after multiple successful public trials (ie, successful implementation in basically every other advanced nation, as well as our own medicare system) have shown it to be both cheaper and more effective?

    but then evidence based reasoning again goes back to intelligence again.

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  41. The 2000 on the Survey by WindowsStar · · Score: 1

    I am sure the 2000 on the survey were all women.

  42. Re:The only people who would consider this...are.. by GinaDEEE · · Score: 1

    People who have never had real passion in their sex lives.

  43. Re:Uh, what? by GinaDEEE · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but I have to disagree. Sex is very important to this woman and I have no idea what women that you are referring to...

  44. Re:Not the same by strikethree · · Score: 1

    "Kissing is more intimate than sex" - You are doing it wrong

    Or, you are kissing wrong. The deepest intimacy I have ever felt was through a kiss. Sex... well, it can be exceedingly intimate too, even more intimate than a kiss, but the psychology of the situation usually prevents that.

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