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Grand Tour 'Most Illegally Downloaded TV Show In History' (theguardian.com)

Jeremy Clarkson's new motoring show has become the most illegally downloaded television programme in history, figures suggest. Amazon paid a reported $160 million for three series of The Grand Tour, which stars former Top Gear presenters Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May, after Clarkson was sacked by the BBC in March 2015. From a report on The Guardian: But figures from Muso, data analysts of the piracy market, suggest unprecedented numbers of people are avoiding paying $90 a year to sign up for Amazon's online streaming service, Amazon Prime, and instead downloading the show illegally. The data, shared with the Mail on Sunday, suggests the first episode was downloaded illegally 7.9m times, the second 6.4m times and the third 4.6m times. British viewers made up the largest percentage (13.7%) of the total number of illegal downloads.

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  1. Morality has gone down the tubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Morality has gone down the tubes.

    People inviting friends over to watch television, and not compensating the content creators.

    People using sling, and other illegal "time shifters" to avoid paying compensation.

    People inviting other people to watch their streaming content, and not compensating the content creators.

    People sharing their netfix passwords with other people, and depriving people of compensation.

    People "archiving" and "ripping" CDs, instead of purchasing multiple copies, people are not getting compensated.

    Look in the mirror to find out the reason the economy is down the tubes, dirty pirates.

    1. Re:Morality has gone down the tubes by Varenthos · · Score: 1

      Not sure if there's sarcasm in there or not - sarcasm meter still waiting on it's coffee fill - but Sling allows time shifting on a per-channel basis. Basically, it's up to the channel to say whether or not they allow time shifting. If they allow it, then it's on them. But they're getting paid regardless, since Sling isn't free.

      I do thoroughly enjoy my Tivo though. Once press of a button will skip over every commercial in that commercial break, so long as the entire show has been recorded before I start watching it.

    2. Re:Morality has gone down the tubes by MayeulC · · Score: 1

      I wonder if this post is intended to be sarcastic or not (It is not obvious, but I think that's the case), but almost everything here could be reversed and applied to the content industry, in my opinion.

    3. Re:Morality has gone down the tubes by wbr1 · · Score: 2
      Just wait... until the camera (and microphones/other sensors) on your viewing device of choice snitches on you.

      "There appear to by 4 people in your living room, do you agree to the extra $2.50 streaming surcharge?"

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    4. Re:Morality has gone down the tubes by quenda · · Score: 2

      And then pauses the advertisements while you take a piss.

    5. Re: Morality has gone down the tubes by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

      Jesus is comming back on a flaming horse, and will lop off all the pirates heads and feed them to Satan as hamburgers! Then God will find some way to punish you further, or something. Steal an .MP3 and you will to straight to hell!

    6. Re: Morality has gone down the tubes by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

      Those are just tiny dicks compensating for....something... Just like the assclowns who feel the need to rev their engine as loud as possible going down a busy city street.

    7. Re:Morality has gone down the tubes by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "Sling allows time shifting on a per-channel basis"

      So do VCRs and case law was decided a long time ago on that.

      The networks have been trying to overturn that ruling since forever.

      Mind you, this is hardly new. The whole "First sale doctrine" exists because of attempts to make sales of secondhand records (and books before that) illegal.

  2. Re:Just illegal downloads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if you watch it at a friend's house.. does that count?

    You really should be paying for even thinking about it.

  3. Made up numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no way for them to know how many times something was downloaded or pirated. This is more of the same crap the RIAA/MPAA used in the US to try to convince politicians they were losing insane amounts of money. These figures are completely fictional and this article is a joke.

    1. Re:Made up numbers by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You can join a torrent swarm and track connections. I am sure there's some padding/estimating going on, but they can at least get a relative scale here.

    2. Re:Made up numbers by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      You'd have to join *every* torrent/tracker/swarm to get within an order of magnitude or two. Even the private ones.

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    3. Re:Made up numbers by omnichad · · Score: 1

      The vast majority are covered under 1 or two torrents. You overestimate how many are using private trackers.

      They don't have to be accurate to claim a certain number of downloads - there can certainly be more - but there's no reason to believe this show in particular has more torrents or more downloaders on private trackers than average. They can still safely say "most downloaded" with the data that they have.

    4. Re:Made up numbers by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You think they don't have access to "private" trackers?

      Private trackers fall into 2 categories:
      A - "Private" with content and users and spies. They send out invite waves to maintain a user base, but they invite people with no verification of who they are.
      B - Private with nothing on them because they're actually private and have very few users.

    5. Re:Made up numbers by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      All that you are saying is that their figure might be low, as they haven't joined *every* torrent swarm.

      Not really refuting the logic, I'm afraid.

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    6. Re:Made up numbers by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      The factoid that torrent participants halved is a good indicator that whilst there might be a season 2, there might not be a season three.

    7. Re:Made up numbers by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      This isn't crying over lost money. This is about getting you to watch: "Jeremy Clarkson's new motoring show".

      I mean, hey... they tell you that millions of people are doing it. And a million people cannot be wrong. And it must be easy. So what are you waiting for? Get out there... watch this super popular "Jeremy Clarkson's new motoring show"... everyone's doing it. So why not you? And if you are scared or lazy, you can also pay Amazon for quicker access.

  4. Re:Make it cheaper by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't bother... it's not that good anyway. First episode showed promise, but since then it just feels very wooden and overly scripted.

    I know Top Gear was always scripted and fake, but the new Amazon version of it with Clarkson, et al. just seems way over-rehearsed and wooden. I was really looking forwards to it but feel majorly let down.

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  5. I doubt Clarkson cares right now... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    ... given his best mate AA Gill died of cancer the other day.

  6. Re:Make it cheaper by tk77 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The 2nd episode felt overly scripted, but the 3rd and 4th felt more like Top Gear was. We were laughing through the entire episodes (though they can probably just get rid of the joke of killing off celebrities every episode).

  7. Not availiable in most of the world by MFriis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    AFAIK Prime Video is only available in United States, United Kingdom, Germany and Austria. Leaving much of the world without a way to watch the new show. I don't consider it an excuse to pirate it, but i can certainly understand why so many would download it illegally when they have no legal means of acquiring it. Prime Video used to be in the nordic countries but was close in 2014 for unknown reasons (probably not that popular). I hope Amazon can see a potential in this widespread piracy and start offering it through legal means to more people. It worked for HBO with GOT in the nordic countries when they started offering their content through "HBO Nordic".

    1. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but the Prime Video system has components in place that let them rent/sell individual episodes of a series. Why not set a price and take people's money? Obviously people out there like it, but it's not worth $99 for 1 year's worth of temporary access.

    2. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't consider it an excuse to pirate it

      I do. Artificially limiting human creations even against those willing to pay for it is number one on my excuses to pirate, copy, or fake something.
      I mean what's the moral objection to this? You're not depriving someone of money if they are unwilling to take it.

    3. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Wasn't Top Gear one of the most pirated shows already? It was only available on the BBC but was popular far beyond that.

    4. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by rikkards · · Score: 1

      I live in Canada and get it through Prime Video.
      You have to jump through hoops the first time but seems like they aren't like Netflix and doing regional checking at least on their Roku App.

    5. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but the Prime Video system has components in place that let them rent/sell individual episodes of a series. Why not set a price and take people's money? Obviously people out there like it, but it's not worth $99 for 1 year's worth of temporary access.

      haha they'll probably put it at a tenner an episode so you end up paying 120 if you want them all....and you only get to watch them for a week

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    6. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by jimbo · · Score: 1

      Could you share how you got it on Roku? I just bought a Roku here in Canada and the Amazon Video channel is not available, would be great to watch it on the Roku (I have Canadian Prime).

    7. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      You have to pretend you're an American (get an American account, or VPN depending) to get access to Prime Video. We only get free shipping and some free photo storage up here.

    8. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by Solandri · · Score: 1

      It's #2 on my excuses to pirate stuff.

      #1 is double- (or triple-) charging people for stuff they've already paid for on vinyl, tape, CD, videotape, or DVD. They argue that we aren't buying the product, we're merely licensing it - OK, I can accept that. But then they argue we need to buy a new license just to get the same product on a different medium, and they won't give us a discount if we wish to upgrade from an earlier medium? How in the world does that make any sense? Even the software industry recognizes that the vast majority of what you're getting for in the new license is identical to the old license you already paid for, so lets you upgrade to the new license at a significantly reduced price.

    9. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by Solandri · · Score: 1

      That's not Amazon's doing. They'd probably like nothing more than to offer a single Prime Video to the entire world.

      It's the movie studios and their insistence on geographic market segregation which makes this impossible. The want the streamed version of a movie to come out no sooner than Dec 12 in the U.S., Dec 26 in the UK, Jan 4 in Germany, Feb 1 in Australia, March 1 in Japan, and May 1 in China. Multiply that by every movie and every country on Earth, and it becomes a logistical nightmare for any streaming service. They're forced to intentionally limit the number of countries where they provide service in order to have any level of confidence that they're complying with the studios' silly demands.

    10. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      That's not Amazon's doing. They'd probably like nothing more than to offer a single Prime Video to the entire world.

      It's the movie studios and their insistence on geographic market segregation which makes this impossible. The want the streamed version of a movie to come out no sooner than Dec 12 in the U.S., Dec 26 in the UK, Jan 4 in Germany, Feb 1 in Australia, March 1 in Japan, and May 1 in China. Multiply that by every movie and every country on Earth, and it becomes a logistical nightmare for any streaming service. They're forced to intentionally limit the number of countries where they provide service in order to have any level of confidence that they're complying with the studios' silly demands.

      Except Amazon paid for the production of Grand Tour. They own the product, and they own the distribution rights.

      Netflix's content they produce is available worldwide the same way - it's content Netflix produced and paid for and thus own all the rights to.

      If it's third party content, yes you're correct, but this is first party content.

      And the movie studios farmed out distribution to various exclusive distributors around the world - those distributors paid a lot of money for exclusivity. They know they could offer worldwide rights, but then the distributors will offer a lot less money - would you pay $1M for exclusive distribution of a movie? How much would you pay if you knew Netflix will have it too (i.e., non-exlcusive?). Probably a lot less. And the difference is big enough that geographic separation still exists. Perhaps if Netflix decided to be a big man and pay for world wide exclusivity...

    11. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by baerd · · Score: 1

      I don't consider it an excuse to pirate it, but i can certainly understand why so many would download it illegally when they have no legal means of acquiring it.

      I suspect that many of the supposed illegal "downloads" they counted are actually legal in the country downloaded to. I also wonder if they are counting people who stream it as downloads, since they have given zero justification for their statistics they are probably garbage. I know that here in Canada it is ok to stream things that you do not have rights for because a stream is not considered a download. So since amazon prime video is not available in Canada, the alternative of streaming it via Kodi is completely justified and also not illegal.

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    12. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Even if they did that, you could pay $10 for one episode to find out whether you like it or not. A lot better than paying $99 for the same.

    13. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by GNious · · Score: 1

      TopGear was (is?) sold for re-broadcast in more countries than just about any other TV show, ever.
      According to Wikipedia, "Top Gear was broadcast in 214 different countries by the end of 2014", which seems a bit high, but might be due to how regions were counted in contracts by the BBC and the publicist.

    14. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      How much of a delay was there? I know BBC America lagged behind the BBC's airings. The casual watcher may have waited until the latest episodes came to them 'naturally' but the Top Gear torrents were always quite popular the night they aired.

    15. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I mean what's the moral objection to this? You're not depriving someone of money if they are unwilling to take it.

      Interesting that you ask for a moral objection, but then assert a financial rationalisation for your actions. What moral right do you claim, that supersedes the artist's moral right to decide how their own work is distributed?

    16. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by YuppieScum · · Score: 1

      Beginning with series 22, Top Gear was available to re-broadcasters worldwide at the end of each original broadcast on BBC2, thus giving them the option to be able to show it before it appeared as a torrent.

      Not sure if this continued with series 23, and I expect no-one will much care if it is or not with series 24.

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    17. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by GNious · · Score: 1

      There's a post-Evans Top Gear? Thought he'd managed to run it properly into the ground ... or peatbog or something.

    18. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by YuppieScum · · Score: 1

      Evans has bailed out, but LeBlanc has been retained by the BBC to do another series. No idea if EJ, Sabine and the rest have signed on.

      Also, no transmission date has been announced for it yet...

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    19. Re:Not availiable in most of the world by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      AFAIK Prime Video is only available in United States, United Kingdom, Germany and Austria. Leaving much of the world without a way to watch the new show. I don't consider it an excuse to pirate it

      I would. My number one copyright reform would be that any work not available for sale at a reasonable price point* in a given country is not protected by copyright in that country. You want my country to enforce your IP? Then you better be willing to sell it to my countries citizens.

      *No offering copies for sale at a million dollars a pop, and claiming that satisfies the requirement.

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  8. More illegal... by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    I always thought that laws were binary. Either you are breaking a law or your aren't. How can something be more illegal than something else?

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    1. Re:More illegal... by Maritz · · Score: 1

      It might be more severe. But it's illegal to precisely the same extent. GP is right. There is legal and illegal.

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  9. Good way to measure popularity by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Why pay the Nielsons for their service?

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  10. Re:Make it cheaper by MayeulC · · Score: 1

    I might piss off some people, but I am a prime member, and have no interest in this show whatsoever. I never even used Amazon video.

    To be completely fair, I think I'd rather pirate the content than steam it from Amazon. I am not really fond of DRM, and I like to be able to do whatever I want with content I pay for.

    Maybe the solution here would be to offer Amazon videos separately from the prime membership? Make it cheaper for people who don't want one of the two functionalities, and offer a combined discount to those who want both. That said, there is probably a reason (good or not, but well-thought in any case) behind the current offering.

  11. Interesting numbers by JestersGrind · · Score: 1

    I haven't watched the show, even though I guess I could because I have Amazon Prime, It's interesting to me that 1.5 million downloaded the first episode and didn't want to download the second. Then almost 2 million more downloaded the first 2 episodes and didn't want to download the third. Is this version of the show much worse than the series that was so successful?

    1. Re:Interesting numbers by ninthbit · · Score: 1

      Flexget and other download tools can easily be set to grab all premier episodes. This helps explain why the first episode has such high numbers. A lot of people downloading it, but not watching it. It doesn't explain the ep2 to ep3 drop though. Maybe some people decided to pay for prime (Amazon's wishful thinking).

    2. Re:Interesting numbers by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I watched the first three- first was OK, 2nd was horrendous, 3rd was horrendous.

      I have no intention on watching the 4th. It feels stale and over-rehearsed and over-scripted compared to their time on Top Gear. On Top Gear, you knew it was all fake, but their reactions seemed spur of the moment comments. On GT, it feels like they're reading from a teleprompter:

      "Stage Direction: Look surprised and say, 'Oh No, Hammond is in a Dodge'"

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    3. Re:Interesting numbers by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Is this version of the show much worse than the series that was so successful?

      So far, yes. But it is also improving rapidly. Episode 1 was crap. Episode 2 was worse. Episode 3 was pretty good. Episode 4 was quite good. If we are lucky, Episode 5 will be really quite good. I am not alone in this, either; I've participated in the official Fb TGT comment threads and if you've got your finger on the pulse, you know this is how it's gone so far.

      People who are complaining that this show is "more scripted" than Top Gear are completely clueless. Top Gear was almost completely scripted. Even the interviewees had pre-interviews, where they talked about what they were going to talk about. And almost everything else was scripted out down to the word, especially anything that happened in the studio, and they did retakes if they got things wrong. Watch outtakes on YouTube and pay attention to be enlightened.

      None of this means that TGT will necessarily ever be as good as TG, but it's still worth giving it a chance. You could skip the first two episodes, and probably be happier that way.

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  12. Re:Subscription Slavery by SJHillman · · Score: 2

    Your argument would make sense if watching Grand Tour was the *only* thing you could do with a Prime subscription. But it's not, so I have no idea what you're even rambling about.

  13. That's a lot of disappointed people by Oxygen99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dunno why. It's someone tossed all the worst bits of the old Top Gear into a concrete mixer with a tonne of Jeff Bezos' pension fund. The episode with the sci-fi style reboot army thing was just embarassing. And I say that as someone who liked the old Top Gear.

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    1. Re:That's a lot of disappointed people by roman_mir · · Score: 2

      It was embarrassing and also unnecessary. The killings of if the 'famous guests' are repetitive and unnecessary. The fat American driver shitting on every car he drove so far is unnecessary and embarrassing. The entire show seems unnecessary and embarrassing, but it is dies look pretty. So it is an unnecessary and embarrassing pretty thing, like Suicide Squad, unnecessary and embarrassing with some pretty (Robbie Margot) in it.

    2. Re:That's a lot of disappointed people by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      They have too much money now. Top Gear was at its best when they bought clapped out old once-great cars for a grand, and then broke down a lot. All the best jokes were just off-the-cuff banter between the three off them, not the scripted crap they have now.

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    3. Re:That's a lot of disappointed people by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      The best one (imo) was the one where they ended up with three version of the same bmw.

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    4. Re:That's a lot of disappointed people by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      > The fat American driver shitting on every car he drove so far is unnecessary

      Actually I think it is necessary to avoid a suit by the BBC. Something about not being allowed to have a faceless silent racing driver doing the laps so they are maliciously complying with the agreement. Same with the celebrity kill-off bits. They're probably doing it to hew to the wording of the agreement worked out and also give the Beeb lawyers the finger. Which is also why James said "Oh Cack!" in the latest ep. If he said "Oh Cock!" the Beeb could sue.

    5. Re:That's a lot of disappointed people by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      ... to avoid a suit by the BBC

      - I understand that, but I think it is unnecessary to copy the old format and to do it *badly*, I think Bezos is missing the point. The point is to provide a good show with with these 3 guys in it, it is not to copy Top Gear, which is done, it's over.

    6. Re:That's a lot of disappointed people by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      I disagree, I don't think they're copying the old format entirely, from what I've seen of it so far they're using the old formula as a template and trying new things with it. That said it's been hit or miss so far. The special forces thing was dreadful and scripted all to hell, but there's promising signs elsewhere, like the latest episode with the eco-cars. So far I am still in watch and see mode.

  14. Re: Make it cheaper by bestweasel · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's not the same without Chris Evans.

  15. $90/year for one season of a show? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    $90/year for one season of a show? Yeah, I'd download that too, if I was at all interested in it.

    1. Re:$90/year for one season of a show? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      >> you can see why it just comes across as idiotic

      Not really. I don't shop from Amazon often enough to get any value from the "two day shipping" (and the stuff I do buy is obscure enough that it gets cancelled about a third of the time anyway), and I can pirate all the IP content for free. So...I look at people who fork over the $100/year as chumps.

    2. Re:$90/year for one season of a show? by wbr1 · · Score: 1
      Don't get me wrong. I have and will pirate many things. But, it is not $90 for one season of one show. It is $90 for Prime which comes with lots of features. Hell I have prime.

      So, either you are of very limited understanding, or you have constructed the most specious of strawmen.

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    3. Re:$90/year for one season of a show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or you don't understand that if someone doesn't have or doesn't want prime but does want to watch this show they would be paying $90 and will only get this show. So yes, to many people it would literally be $90 for this show. That is the fundamental problem with bundling and it gets even worse when the bundle includes shit *completely* unrelated. In no way are "shipping benefits" on some purchases related to watching a TV show. I won't even call it free shipping anymore because they have so many exceptions that it is hard to even get what they advertise the shipping benefits as. The other features are also almost a joke.

      You clearly don't know what a strawman is because this isn't one. It is very reasonable to assume that large numbers of people would not receive any or very little benefit from other prime "features".

  16. Downloaded more that Game of Thrones? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    I doubt it.

    1. Re:Downloaded more that Game of Thrones? by Luthair · · Score: 2

      Top Gear was the top watched 'factual' show, it was also syndicated in 214 countries. Now consider that Amazon's video services aren't available in most countries and its pretty easy to imagine it would have significant downloads.

  17. Re:Make it cheaper by omnichad · · Score: 1

    This is what they get for making it exclusive when they have infrastructure in place to let people pay/download by the episode.

  18. Re: Make it cheaper by beanpoppa · · Score: 1

    It's not shouty enough.

  19. Re:Make it cheaper by danbert8 · · Score: 2

    The 2nd episode was just plain bad... 3rd and 4th are showing promise again. Hammond in the Challenger had me laughing so much! And yes, the killing celebrities bit got old in the 1st episode and is just stupid. We get it already.

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  20. Re:Make it cheaper by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    I liked the second episode.

    But then again, I never liked star in a reasonably priced car, or the reviews of cars - just skipped them.

    I'm looking forward to the next one with the hamster being airlifted.

    And I paid up for amazon prime just for the show, and immediately benefited by getting free shipping and low cost same day delivery for a couple of things I ordered.

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  21. Re:Make it cheaper by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    They've promised to have it available in over 200 countries soon,

    I thought that had already kicked in as they announced it two weeks ago.?

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  22. Re:Make it cheaper by dysmal · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't bother... it's not that good anyway. First episode showed promise, but since then it just feels very wooden and overly scripted.

    I know Top Gear was always scripted and fake, but the new Amazon version of it with Clarkson, et al. just seems way over-rehearsed and wooden. I was really looking forwards to it but feel majorly let down.

    Are you sure you're not referring to Top Gear USA or the post-Clarkson Top Gear?

  23. Re:Make it cheaper by Esteanil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Sign up problem
    You may continue with this billing address, but Prime Video streaming, Prime Music, and the Kindle Owners’ Lending Library won't be available outside of the U.S. and Puerto Rico. Prime shipping benefits are available to shipping addresses in the contiguous U.S."

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  24. Re:Make it cheaper by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hammond in the Challenger just seemed too much like a badly scripted, badly acted sitcom. None of their reactions seemed genuine.

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  25. Re:Subscription Slavery by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Their argument still makes sense because Amazon can rent/sell TV episodes already with their Amazon Video system. They refuse to and made it exclusive.

  26. Re:Make it cheaper by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    All the above, and Grand Tour.

    Seems the formula is harder to replicate than many people thought.

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  27. Re:Subscription Slavery by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    Well, instead of paying for 10 - 10.00 a month subscriptions to watch what you want commercial free, you can instead pay 200 bucks a month for hundreds of ad infested channels spewing tons of unwatchable crap.

    it's called cable television!

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  28. Re:Make it cheaper by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

    Maybe the solution here would be to offer Amazon videos separately from the prime membership? Make it cheaper for people who don't want one of the two functionalities, and offer a combined discount to those who want both. That said, there is probably a reason (good or not, but well-thought in any case) behind the current offering.

    They sort of do that already. Its called Amazon Prime Video and you can pay for it monthly (£5.99 pm in the UK). Its not really a saving if you pay for the full year, but you can cancel at anytime. I'm pretty sure they also offer a 30 day free trial, so for those that care just wait until the whole season is online then sign up for that.

  29. Re:White Rabbit Project by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Haven't seen it yet, but I have high hopes for it.

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  30. Re:Make it cheaper by Altus · · Score: 1

    I find using prime to be a pain in the ass. In order for me to easily view prime I need to open it on my phone and then airplay it to my TV. The fact that they refuse to support non amazon set top boxes for their streaming service makes it much more difficult. I have prime for the shipping advantages and im not going to get rid of it or anything but I rarely use the video at all because of how hard it is for me to get and buying a fire stick or some other device just to stream the few shows they offer just doesn't make any sense.

    I haven't pirated this show, but I might consider it just to make viewing easier, despite having already paid. Thats a bad thing.

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  31. Re:Make it cheaper by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    No. My name is not Jeff.

    Out of all the episodes so for - the second one is the only one I've watched more than 5 times.

    Unless you count the intro for the first episode, that one I watch quite often.

    I look forward to my Thursday evenings now , just happy that the orangutan and his two bollocks will be online.

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  32. Re:Make it cheaper by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2

    Streams just fine on my Roku

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  33. Re:Make it cheaper by hey! · · Score: 1

    I found the fourth episode really dull and contrived.

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  34. Re:Make it cheaper by desdinova+216 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I use a Roku box in one room and a TV that has Roku's software integrated in another and have had no problems with Amazon Prime. Are you using an Apple device? Apple has a habit of not playing nice with others.

  35. Re:Make it cheaper by oobayly · · Score: 1

    I missed the first two and watched the 3rd with some friends. I think the only spontaneous moment in the whole episode was the bloke in the audience shouting out "Brown Aston" in response to something Clarkson said. Nothing really amused me*, the constant repeating of Hammond doing doughnuts & reving in tunnels and May's "nervous tick". The cinematography was stunning, but it could have been filmed in literally any country - they have this huge budget and did nothing (apart from a small opera bit) that could only have been done in Italy.

    Sure, the old one (which I really enjoyed) was scripted, but at least you could let yourself believe it was happening, not this one. I had a quick search to see how it was received and it was "the best so far" - which didn't really persuade me to watch regularly.

    Maybe they'll find their mojo again...

    * The house bit was funny, but still seemed very wooden.

  36. Re:Just illegal downloads? by oobayly · · Score: 1

    I bought a bottle of wine with me. Is that ok?

  37. Re:Make it cheaper by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    And I paid up for amazon prime just for the show, and immediately benefited by getting free shipping and low cost same day delivery for a couple of things I ordered.

    That's interesting, I myself, wouldn't ever consider shelling out $99/yr or whatever it is, just for one show to watch.

    But I have been an amazon Prime member for many years, likely almost as long as the program has been offered. I like the 2-day shipping, and the Amazon Radio and Prime video offerings and free ebooks, etc they offer are nice perks.

    I watch some Amazon Prime videos, but I find their offerings pale in comparison to Netflix, which itself is falling far behind what it used to be.

    I order a LOT of stuff from Amazon. Heck, most everything I buy for others for Xmas, will be bought and delivered by Amazon. I find more and more, almost anything I buy is online and most of it is from Amazon, so the Prime part is important for me.

    My only hope is, that Amazon doesn't ever open a distribution or other brick and mortar physical presence in my state, and force me to start paying sales tax for purchases from them.

    At that point, I'm guessing I'll be buying less and less from Amazon. Convenience is one nice thing, but sales tax free is a BIG one too at this point, especially on large ticket items.

    That's nearly 10% savings where I live.

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  38. Re:Make it cheaper by rikkards · · Score: 2

    I actually found the last season of Top Gear with Clarkeson was almost phoned in.

  39. Re:Just illegal downloads? by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 1

    No, you shouldn't buy consumer goods with yourself.

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  40. Re:Make it cheaper by rikkards · · Score: 1

    Get a free VPN for 1 month, register and then don't use the VPN anymore.

  41. Re:Make it cheaper by Maritz · · Score: 1

    it's fucking smooth as silk compared to plank of wood "leblank" and "evans"

    fuck knows why BBC kept "leblank" he was just as shit as "evans"

    Fuck knows what you think quotation marks are for.

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  42. Re:Make it cheaper by KingMotley · · Score: 1

    Streams just fine from my Xbox One.

  43. Re:Self inflicted wounds by tinkerton · · Score: 1

    I am not sure Amazon is unhappy with the current situation. The word that used to apply to a program like the Grand Tour is 'traffic builder': it causes people to join, to enter, to get a subscription. Once they are in they can buy other things. So how many subscriptions has Amazon gotten out of TGT already? That number is what they're interested in. The illegal/indirect viewers are interesting because these are a potential extra source of income.

  44. Re:Subscription Slavery by KingMotley · · Score: 1

    Noone is forcing you to. Just plug in some old rabbit ears to the back of your TV, and get all the free TV you want. Of course, you'll miss out on the shows like Game of Thrones, Vikings, Orange is the new Black, Wentworth, etc that are exclusives, but you can always just subscribe to one service, watch what they have, then cancel and switch to another, rotating every few months. You'll get them all, eventually, if a year or two after they air.

  45. Re:Make it cheaper by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

    I order a LOT of stuff from Amazon. Heck, most everything I buy for others for Xmas, will be bought and delivered by Amazon. I find more and more, almost anything I buy is online and most of it is from Amazon, so the Prime part is important for me.

    My only hope is, that Amazon doesn't ever open a distribution or other brick and mortar physical presence in my state, and force me to start paying sales tax for purchases from them.

    So you support the Walmart of the web? I buy as little as possible from Amazon, preferring to go so far as when I do find something on Amazon to seek out that vendor's (or a competitor's) web site and purchase direct from them.

    And I was under the impression that Amazon taxed everyone at this point? Maybe not yet?

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  46. Re:Just illegal downloads? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    I bought a bottle of wine with me. Is that ok?

    As long as you've paid the multiple drinkers fee.

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  47. Industry propaganda... by hackel · · Score: 1

    These are not "illegal downloads." Downloading isn't illegal. *Sharing* and distributing it is (in some jurisdictions). The are also failing to account for those of us who have Amazon Prime subscriptions, but CANNOT VIEW the show because Amazon refuses to make their proprietary player available on Android TV. Amazon is the real criminal here.

    1. Re:Industry propaganda... by casings · · Score: 1

      Downloading is certainly illegal, unless you have a license for the copy then it is a grey area. Put down the crack pipe, seriously, you are only making yourself dumber.

  48. Re:Subscription Slavery by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    Well, instead of paying for 10 - 10.00 a month subscriptions to watch what you want commercial free, you can instead pay 200 bucks a month for hundreds of ad infested channels spewing tons of unwatchable crap.

    it's called cable television!

    Or you can just go to tpb and get the pick of the worldwide crop for free.

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  49. Re:Make it cheaper by danbert8 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps, but maybe I just identified with his giggling grins lighting up the back tires...

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  50. Re:Make it cheaper by danbert8 · · Score: 2

    How can you watch that stupid special ops crap more than once? Heck I couldn't even stomach it the first time. I skipped over after they ran the same joke way past the punchline. To quote Monty Python, "GET ON WITH IT!!!"

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  51. Re:White Rabbit Project by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    unless you are younger than 14, lower your hopes.

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  52. Re:I pay for prime but can't get the show in Canad by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    So what else am I supposed to do? There are features missing from Prime in Canada and this is one of them.

    I do appreciate the way they are touting it as a global show, different country each week and all that, but apparently unless you actually live in the US you can go fuck yourself.

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  53. Not available on apple TV by elohssa · · Score: 1

    I have prime video but, amazon has no app for my prefered TV watching device (4th gen apple tv). If I didn't end up watching at my dads house on his roku, I would have torrented it.

    1. Re:Not available on apple TV by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of apps available for Roku that aren't for the Apple TV. My recommendation would be to spend $35 and upgrade to one of the cheaper Roku models. Well worth it.

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  54. Re:Make it cheaper by Wootery · · Score: 1

    Huh. So if you visit the UK, you won't be given access to Amazon Prime Video, despite that it's available in the UK?

  55. Re:Make it cheaper by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    Cause I find it amusing. And I laugh when they smack jezzer in the head with a shovel.

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  56. Re:Make it cheaper by nmb3000 · · Score: 2

    My only hope is, that Amazon doesn't ever open a distribution or other brick and mortar physical presence in my state, and force me to start paying sales tax for purchases from them.

    Don't hold your breath. Utah just negotiated a deal with Amazon to voluntarily collect sales taxes for the state even through Amazon does not have a physical presence in Utah. In return, Amazon gets to keep 1.31% of taxes collected (with allowances of up to 18% according to the law).

    With $29 million unpaid sales taxes for Amazon sales to Utah in 2015, that's $400,000 of free money for Amazon. This kind of deal will spread like wildfire to other states.

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  57. Re:Make it cheaper by mpol · · Score: 1

    To me it doesn't feel like Top Gear was.

    Recently someone here described the formula as: You have 3 guys, of which 2 are constantly forming a team to play on the third person. They are switching teams continuously, so each of the 3 is 2/3 of the time part of the winning team.
    The cars are just dressing on the cake of this dynamics between the 3 guys.

    In the new episodes they changed it to American style, probably under pressure from Amazon. Jeremy Clark plays the role of the winner, James May has the loser role. Richard Hammond is supporting for the winner. It is very much an American TV cliche.

    They destroyed the dynamics that there was, and thus the show. We will see how it lasts, but it has definitely changed.

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  58. Re:Make it cheaper by nmb3000 · · Score: 2

    Agreed. I know they've set up Hammond as "the American" on the team, what with his penchant for muscle cars and dislike of snails, but this was going way too far into absurdity. It was a harsh caricature lacking any sincerity and was just unnecessary and embarrassing.

    I really hope they hit their stride, but so far I'm not sure they will. The celebrity killing bit should have ended after the first episode and the new Stig who is definitely not the Stig is neither funny nor clever. Most of the show comes across as trying too hard to be Top Gear while also being very clear that they are not Top Gear. They should have kept the format, changed names were required, and carried on.

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  59. Re:Subscription Slavery by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    I don't want to sign up to ten difference services so I can watch one series/sport on each one of them.

    Then... don't?

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  60. To be frank it's the only show on Prime I want by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Was just going to binge watch at some point at the rels, but there is no way in heck I'm paying $100 for that.

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    1. Re:To be frank it's the only show on Prime I want by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      You aren't missing much. I'm one of the guys that pirated the Grand Tour, and I don't think it quite lives up to the hype. Yeah, Clarkson & company are in it, but what I found real easy to forget is that the last few seasons of their Top Gear weren't great either. The Grand Tour is continuing on that trajectory. More scripting, more budget, less entertaining. I'm actually more interested in what the BBC will do with Top Gear now that Chris Evans is out of the picture. They might try to turn it into something new and good instead of trying to replicate what the show was like in 2007.

    2. Re:To be frank it's the only show on Prime I want by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I'm actually more interested in what the BBC will do with Top Gear now that Chris Evans is out of the picture. They might try to turn it into something new and good instead of trying to replicate what the show was like in 2007.

      It doesn't bode well that Matt LeBlanc is still involved. Chris Evans may be a twat, but at least he's an animated twat. Matt LeBlanc is just sleep-inducing.

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  61. Re:How is this even a surprise? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    By and large, they have better content than Netflix as well. It's ruined by a godawful UI and mixing in paid shows with the free ones.

    If Amazon cleaned up their UI I would drop Netflix. As it is, if I weren't getting Prime from my wife's .edu account, I'd be more likely to drop Prime despite the better content.

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  62. Re:Make it cheaper by ripvlan · · Score: 1

    I'll agree with you. ep2 was as described -- and I was worried that ep2 was going to set precedence for what future episodes were like. ep4 seemed let Capt Slow go off and be his own (so far he's really been odd-man-out with Jeremy and Hammond leading the show). The show has gone from from Improvised "Curb your Enthusiasm" to Scripted "Stand here on this mark and read your lines." And TGT is somewhere in between- still waiting for them to be set free. But hey - they are writing this right?! Needs more off-script moments - between the lines - don't follow the actual lines. Get us from Point A to Z in any manner desired.

    I seem to remember though that TG was illegally downloaded too. It's how I came across the show - on youtube. They even mentioned this "fact" several seasons back. Gosh that was a while ago back when youtube limited content to 15 minutes - so I watched Bolivia Special as Part 1, 2, 3, 4, (and possibly 5 & 6.)

    Since nobody drives cars anymore - they should have an Uber edition where they review cars for those few who do drive them.

    The Grand Tour / Top Gear Two = TGT ? Coincidence ?!

  63. It's the DRM by Casandro · · Score: 1

    After all there is no legal way to watch that show without giving away our basic freedoms of "Privaccy and Integrity of Information processing systems" as declared by the German constitutional court in 2008.

    Offer it as a DRM-free downloadable copy and people will buy it in hordes.

  64. GT's alright but not exactly what I wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    GT's OK but is too much like the latest seasons of Top Gear with its over-the-top attitude. Seems like the seasons 5-12 will never come back. Damn shame.
    Personally I'd like to see more James May's projects, maybe new season of the Cars of the People, or the Man Lab (boy that was nice show). Still BBC promises special of the Reassembler (just think about it... Christmas Special of the show basically featuring old man in the shed playing with his spanner. Now that's post-modern).

  65. Re:Make it cheaper by starblazer · · Score: 1

    They should have kept the format, changed names were required, and carried on.

    That's what they are doing. Instead of the quiet Stig, its the loudmouth american. Instead of the studio, they have the tent. Instead of SIARPC, they have "Celeb Mind Whatevertheheck"... instead of "The News" they have "Conversation Street". It's changed enough(according to the lawyers) so that the BBC can't go after them.

    I would go so far as to say, they'd do a complete exact copy of the show if they could get away with it... but this is what we are stuck with for now.

  66. The number may be BS but.. by stackOVFL · · Score: 1

    I know one thing for certain: Make sure there's a hot meal waiting for Clarkson after he gets back from the pub! Don't say I didn't warn you.

  67. Re:Self inflicted wounds by chefmonkey · · Score: 1

    That seems a fair analysis as well, especially given that Amazon doesn't seem to have weighed in on the topic yet.

  68. Re:Make it cheaper by networkBoy · · Score: 1

    And I laugh when they smack jezzer in the head with a shovel

    Well... yeah. :-)

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  69. Re:Make it cheaper by networkBoy · · Score: 1

    you realize you're supposed to report that on your state income taxes and report it for use tax...
    It's not tax free, it's that you're not following tax law and no one is enforcing it (but if they decided to you're in a world of hurt).

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  70. It would be nice if more people had a choice by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Amazon Prime in Canada costs $79, but AFAIK, it doesn't include access to Grand Tour. If it does and I've got it wrong, there's still a huge number of Top Gear fans in a lot of countries who don't have a legal option for getting the show.

    So yeah, a lot of people are going to looking for torrents. Quelle surprise.

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  71. Re:Make it cheaper by rocket97 · · Score: 1

    They started this in Alabama at the beginning of November (I believe) for the same reason.

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  72. Re:Make it cheaper by PatientZero · · Score: 1

    The first episode was downloaded illegally 7.9m times, the second 6.4m times and the third 4.6m times.

    That's a pretty severe falloff given they aren't paying to watch it. Doesn't bode well for the show's continued success.

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  73. Re:How is this even a surprise? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Amazon is basically charging $90 to watch a show. Who in their right mind would do that?

    I certainly wouldn't. But I would enjoy the fact that a show I want to watch is included with our Prime membership. The first couple of episodes sucked, but episode 3 was okay and episode 4 was pretty good.

    I find that about half the time, the thing I want is cheapest on Prime, at least within a couple of bucks of the absolute cheapest price from the absolute sleaziest seller. And I live in the sticks where my choice of shopping venues for many items is between K-Mart and Wal-Mart, so even if I wanted to pay the premium for supporting a local business, I couldn't.

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  74. Re:I pay for prime but can't get the show in Canad by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I do appreciate the way they are touting it as a global show, different country each week and all that, but apparently unless you actually live in the US you can go fuck yourself.

    The plan is to stream it in 200 countries. The BBC is probably being a PITA about distribution.

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  75. Re: Make it cheaper by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

    It's not the same without Angela Rippon.

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  76. Re:Subscription Slavery by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I'm not a leech.

    I even give money back when the cashier makes a mistake, remind them that might of forgotten an item, and tip generously at restaurants.

    I paid for my copy of photoshop, acid pro 7 and cyberlink power director 15 too.

    Knowing that I don't game or cheat the system makes me feel better about myself.

    Effort goes into creating things. I don't mind rewarding that.

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  77. Re:I pay for prime but can't get the show in Canad by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    I do appreciate the way they are touting it as a global show, different country each week and all that, but apparently unless you actually live in the US you can go fuck yourself.

    The plan is to stream it in 200 countries. The BBC is probably being a PITA about distribution.

    What does the BBC have to do with anything?

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  78. Re:Subscription Slavery by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    (::) Well here's a cookie just for you for being a good little internet user.

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  79. Re:Make it cheaper by YuppieScum · · Score: 1

    Well, I downloaded three different torrents of E01 until I found one where both the audio and video were of acceptable quality, for E02, the second torrent was good enough, and by E03 I'd worked out which sources were not screwing up the encoding...

    I suspect I'm not alone in this, so unless the "illegal download" figures have already taken this into account, extrapolating anything from the trend is a waste of time.

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  80. Re:I pay for prime but can't get the show in Canad by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    What does the BBC have to do with anything?

    I was expecting this question, since I am not new here, and I am never surprised when a slashdotter asks a stupid question.

    Please think for more than two minutes about what the BBC has to do with anything before replying. There are hints all over these threads.

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  81. Re:Make it cheaper by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    I am not really fond of DRM, and I like to be able to do whatever I want with content I pay for.

    What precisely are you going to do with a light entertainment TV show other than watch it?

    Use the script as the libretto for your next opera?

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  82. Re:Make it cheaper by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    They've promised to have it available in over 200 countries soon

    Which is pretty impressive as there are only 196 countries in the world at the moment.

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  83. Re:Make it cheaper by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Hence, the pirating.

    Shame. If we all did it, they'd stop making stuff, btw.

    No, in The World According to Slashdot, Clarkson et al should tour with live shows and sell t-shirts, and the show itself would be a free download.

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  84. Re:I pay for prime but can't get the show in Canad by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    The BBC have nothing to do with Clarkson et al, nothing to do with Amazon, nothing to with The Grand Tour and nothing to do with internet distribution for anyone but themselves. So please, enlighten my ignorance and explain how the BBC could be doing anything to positively or negatively affect this endeavour, especially in regards to its internet broadcast the 199 countries they have even less relevance in.

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  85. Re:Make it cheaper by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Huh. So if you visit the UK, you won't be given access to Amazon Prime Video, despite that it's available in the UK?

    Shhh, we're trying to keep them over there.

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  86. Re:Make it cheaper by mjwx · · Score: 1

    They should have kept the format, changed names were required, and carried on.

    That's what they are doing. Instead of the quiet Stig, its the loudmouth american. Instead of the studio, they have the tent. Instead of SIARPC, they have "Celeb Mind Whatevertheheck"... instead of "The News" they have "Conversation Street". It's changed enough(according to the lawyers) so that the BBC can't go after them.

    I would go so far as to say, they'd do a complete exact copy of the show if they could get away with it... but this is what we are stuck with for now.

    Also, unlike the Old New Top Gear, it's entirely pre-recorded. So any significant changes will have to wait for season 2 as they don't have enough time to replace large sections of the show with new VT's.

    Doubly so seeing as it's winter. James May will be de-greasing his Motorbike in the bath tub. Richard Hammond will be delousing his throng of pets and Jeremy Clarkson will be enjoying a nice snifter of port by the fire fuelled by the bulk of hate mail he receives each week.

    I suspect that planning for S2 will start soon-ish. Wilman and Clarkson aren't idiots and will have looked at what the viewers liked or disliked and change accordingly. Its not like they made a wildly successful program that occasionally featured cars for 13 years.

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  87. Re:I pay for prime but can't get the show in Canad by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    So please, enlighten my ignorance

    There is not time for that, but start here.

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  88. Re:I pay for prime but can't get the show in Canad by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    OK, so you think the BBC have a contract stopping it? With who? Clarkson, Amazon or the rest of the world? When all this shit went down that got Clarkson sacked, you know he didn't actually get sacked, just didn't get his Top Gear contract renewed, no new contracts were imposed and they're obviously not under any kind of non compete or the show wouldn't have got made in the first place. So, what kind of contract would the BBC have that would stop Amazon from rolling out their own service under their own timetable? Do you think maybe they are strongarming the governments of Canada and that to not allow The Grand Tour to be shown so they can push new Top Gear? Do you think maybe they are holding Bake Off and Eastenders as leverage or something? Maybe you have insider knowledge on the BBC contacts, are you Tony Hall?

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  89. Re:Make it cheaper by MayeulC · · Score: 1

    Well, other than the fact that I I am not really interested in this particular title, It's nice to just slap one movie on a USB stick, to watch it anywhere. Or just have it sitting in my kodi library.

    But just being able to put it on my phone's SD card to watch later on the go when I have no internet access is nice too. And if by chance I have access to a computer, I can transfer it back from it to have a bigger screen for my viewing pleasure.

    These are some of the things I like to be able to do with my movies/TV shows, and DRM usually prevents it. I do not care about the rights that come with the content; the right to watch it (with whomever I want) is enough for me, but I care about *How* I watch it. I am personally not the kind of person who creates derivative works from the original content. So, just the 'M' for Management in DRM is what's bothering me here. Give me my rights back and let me manage my content!